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NEC PC-Engine/SuperGrafx => PC Engine/SuperGrafx Discussion => Topic started by: Otaking on June 05, 2009, 12:02:18 PM
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PC Cocoron, I'd be really interested to have a look at what this game looks like anyone know if there are any screen shots or even better videos on the web anywhere?
Cheers 8)
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Here ya go. (http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Suzuran/9038/pce_nfs22.html)
Unfortunately the only people who have copies of it are hording it cuz they're more l33t than the rest of us.
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Here ya go. (http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Suzuran/9038/pce_nfs22.html)
cheers
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Unfortunately the only people who have copies of it are hording it cuz they're more l33t than the rest of us.
May the douches drown in a fetid cesspool of shame. ](*,)
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The game look decent, how much does it usually sell for?
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The game look decent, how much does it usually sell for?
sell? Does this game actually "sell"? Isn't there like less than a fistful of copies?
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Looks like a cool game. Too bad it was only a prototype. Is there an emulator available for it?
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I've played it before on Magic Engine
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I've played it before on Magic Engine
Really?
I thought requests had been made to the owners of the game but none would provide a copy.
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I've played it before on Magic Engine
Really?
I thought requests had been made to the owners of the game but none would provide a copy.
Many, many overtures have been made, including cash offers for hundreds of dollars. If blueraven doesn't upload it post haste, then I demand his immediate banning and him being administered a severe beating with a wet sock monkey.
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I'll hook up the hard-drive and look for the file. It was back in the Windows 2000 days but I still have the tower.
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I'll hook up the hard-drive and look for the file. It was back in the Windows 2000 days but I still have the tower.
wow!!! amazing!! mucho, mucho respect if you manage to find and provide us with a copy PC Cocoron!
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If, realistically. Please don't get your hopes up too high, the machine is a decade old and I wouldn't want to disappoint everyone.
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Waaah? BlueRaven has had a copy all of this time?!?!? hahaha. I look forward to this iso in your old tower! :mrgreen:
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I'm guessing you're confusing pc cocoron with another game.
But it would be awesome if you had it :D
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Please don't get your hopes up too high, the machine is a decade old and I wouldn't want to disappoint everyone.
No probs 8)
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at least he would be the first & only person on earth of owning an actual rom-set of it. and that already years ago :P
now really, don't you mix sumthing up there BR? :mrgreen:
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I've played it before on Magic Engine
As a Rom? My bet is that you confused it with coryoon.
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coryoon
most probably. a lot lot peeps do that actually.
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I've played it before on Magic Engine
As a Rom? My bet is that you confused it with coryoon.
Either that or he`s just blowing smoke.It just happens to be on A different computer and A different hard drive.
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or he played the cocoron on the NESy 8-[
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I just pulled the hard-drive on the 2000 tower, and the Coryoon rom is in the Magic Engine 1.01 folder along with Cadash.
coryoon
most probably. a lot lot peeps do that actually.
Coryoon - Cocoron / I must've been a bit confused. Either that or I need to get my eyes checked again.
Sorry for the false alarm.
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blueraven: I've done the exact same thing with the two games way back. No worries ;)
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it's as normal as the earth turns around the sun ;)
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I contacted the owner of a website that has screenshots of the game and mAde an offer of 1,000 american dollars. I believe the sex was a female from japan, and her english was pretty bad. I had to use a translating program, and i was turned down to obtain a burnt copy. There may have been some confusion in the communication due to the software i used, but it looked pretty clear i was striking out on getting a copy. I think she is a major tease!
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???
so you got the ROM?
lol, show us your (and her) letter :)
btw. so you REALLY got the ROM?
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Reread that, Tats. He struck out. He didn't get anything.
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Ah ok, now I get it. thx :)
was too euphoric for an instant..lol.
But still would be interessting to see what excatly was talked about, and who it was?
Was it the pce paradise! website?
I think peeps like thibaut already tried many times to get hands on that one.
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I contacted the owner of a website that has screenshots of the game and mAde an offer of 1,000 american dollars. I believe the sex was a female from japan, and her english was pretty bad. I had to use a translating program, and i was turned down to obtain a burnt copy. There may have been some confusion in the communication due to the software i used, but it looked pretty clear i was striking out on getting a copy. I think she is a major tease!
ROLF to the 1000000000th power.
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Ah ok, now I get it. thx :)
was too euphoric for an instant..lol.
But still would be interessting to see what excatly was talked about, and who it was?
Was it the pce paradise! website?
I think peeps like thibaut already tried many times to get hands on that one.
Thibault likely offered much more, maybe even as part of a group buy.
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from an older thread
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=8277.0
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(http://iwasateenagepcenginefan.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/coc02.jpg)
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1000$ is way too low an offer to be considered enough. I know that Thibaut tried to get the original copy from the owner but never managed to do so.
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I guess I'll have to keep playing the famicom version. :|
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For 1000$ you could fly to her house and beat her into submission and still have enough $$ left over to go get some food! \o/
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To be honest I'm really surprised the owner of the rom hasn't sold it, when they could have thousands of dollars or a game only they can play, I just don't understand it.
If the owner hasn't been offered enough money yet, to get the max amount of money they could do a print run similar to anime4ever's Space Fantasy Zone.
Even with the tiny PCE fanbase for a game like this they'd probably easily sell over a 1000 copies at $50 each.
:D
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some japanese are hardcore collectors. if they know something worth, they dont give it away for an icecream and a penny. not even a pepperled one.
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To be honest I'm really surprised the owner of the rom hasn't sold it, when they could have thousands of dollars or a game only they can play, I just don't understand it.
If the owner hasn't been offered enough money yet, to get the max amount of money they could do a print run similar to anime4ever's Space Fantasy Zone.
Even with the tiny PCE fanbase for a game like this they'd probably easily sell over a 1000 copies at $50 each.
The problem is that they won't sell those 1000 copies, at least not right away. As soon as a few people get their hands on them, the ROM will get dumped and there will be far less demand for a $50 burn.
Over time, they might sell all 1000 of them. Look at the Sapphire booties for example.
Methinks they just love having something that nobody else has.
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I beg to differ. Most collectors would choose a sleek complete repro copy like Sapphire over a plain burned CD they made themselves any day of the week.
The issue is most likely just a question of owning something unique. Something that you know for a fact only maybe a handful of people in the world own, or can ever own. That is the ultimate proposition for a hard core collector. So it is not really an issue of money.
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That is why I will never be a hard core collector. I like having something others don't have, but not because they CAN'T have it. I prefer to have things that are under-appreciated rather than unobtainable.
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I just like playing good game. The fact that I also have to own them hearkens back to not having the chance to own any of the games or system I lusted for growing up, so there is a psychological component driving my collecting habits.
Older gen gaming would be a lot easier if that were not the fact.
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1000$ is way too low an offer to be considered enough. I know that Thibaut tried to get the original copy from the owner but never managed to do so.
$1000 for a copy is quite generous. Jamm wasn't looking for the original.
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If there is a price that the PC Cocoron owner would agree to (for a rip/copy), we could all contribute to the pot, that is if the number is feasible. It would be crazy and silly, but our purchase would go down in the gaming community history books!
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$1000 for a copy is quite generous. Jamm wasn't looking for the original.
I think part of it is that the owners assume that releasing the ROM makes their prototype worthless. Not usually the case, but if it was, to the seller, selling the original or selling a copy might make little difference.
Let's be honest, most of the community probably just wants the contents of that prototype. Any of us can burn it and make a nice case/cover for it for a couple bucks.
If there is a price that the PC Cocoron owner would agree to (for a rip/copy), we could all contribute to the pot, that is if the number is feasible. It would be crazy and silly, but our purchase would go down in the gaming community history books!
I'm sure there are plenty here (myself included) who would chip in to see this released. I've been reading about this one probably since I joined this forum.
EDIT to add: According to this post (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=368) from back in 2004, this thing has been eluding us for a long time...
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What I want to know is, suppose that her prototype copy stops working one day. Won't the game be pretty much permanently lost to everyone, just because she wanted to keep it for herself ?
EDIT to add: According to this post (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=368) from back in 2004, this thing has been eluding us for a long time...
......200......thousand dollars.......
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What I want to know is, suppose that her prototype copy stops working one day. Won't the game be pretty much permanently lost to everyone, just because she wanted to keep it for herself ?
Pretty much, unless the disc has been backed up to an ISO.
Though I just read through the thread I posted above and the comments (mainly from Jammaniaclord) suggest that there were several of them. I'd love to see the image get released to the public.
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This was like back in 2003/04, when i was heavily into the pc engine scene. For the longest time i saved the e-mail traffic, but trashed it after a while because it reminded me of how pointless the pursuit was. I was even in talks with Squaresoft 74 to round up people to pitch in, and i believe i stated i would get the cash cow going by lumping down my1,000 dollars into a paypal account created to collect funds until we reached a goal of a reasonable offer, then make our pitch to that same owner. Problem was, no body really knew each other face to face even though we were close friends of the scene, and of course there is going to be the trust issue, and who is going to take ownership/responsibility for the account/funds. It was a flash in the pan idea, wrought with obsession(understandably so), with great intentions to share with the community(well maybe make some money off it since it was rare, if we did get it, it would have cost all of us a handsome slice of our salaries, so in fairness, we woukd be in the right to charge some monetary fee to share a copy). I will be honest, i was crushed when they did not release the game. I waited and waited for a long time while it was being developed. DieHard Games used to run their ads in EGM, and had screenshots of all the awesome imports, and that was one of them. I used to call them and bug them about the release date. When they told me it was shelved i was crushed. Now i just dont care. I gave up. I will find the website that has the screenies. I do have those images saved on my laptop somewhere to this day. I look at them once in a very long blue moon. Sigh. Sniff.
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The link for the screens and the owner, was already posted in here by another user hyperlinked "here ya go". It is a geocities(god geocities is ancent!). I translated the site with a program i had back then and contacted her. It was like a big sushi-smelling middle finger in the face when i was rejected. She was polite about the rejection though, so my remarks are purely of frustrated jest, not rage filled loathing. If it is still the same exact website(which appears to be. Iunno.... It's been 8-9 years since then, and i dont have my laptop with me now to compare images, but if you translate the site, her e-mail is/was on there.
I agree, if she doesnt have it backed up, it could become a coaster, and it would be lost forever, all because she wanted to keep it for herself. Maybe she will bequeath it to me in her will, with a letter of apology. My luck, i'd have arthritis by then, and cruel fate would laugh in my face like Henry Rollins.
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Correct..... All i wanted was a copy. I wanted it because i wanted to play it and beat it, as well as tell the story of how i had one of the worlds rarest unreleased games, for the worlds most underappreciated gaming system. I wanted it to be something i could share with my close friends of the community as well. The owner is not stupid, and realizes her investment would depreciate under that umbrella, and i respect her diligence, regardless of how frustrating it is. There are several other ultra rare pc engine titles as well i would love to obtain an iso image of for my collection, but life has its priorities, and i am not richie rich throwing money at the ground for shits n giggles. I wish i were though, as you'd all be killing my bandwidth to get copies. Lol!
I would however settle for a detailed story of how she landed the prototype, and have it posted as a major article on this website, and any others. I think we have all wondered that scenario, and would be thankful for some insight on that.
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I was even in talks with Squaresoft 74 to round up people to pitch in, and i believe i stated i would get the cash cow going by lumping down my1,000 dollars into a paypal account created to collect funds until we reached a goal of a reasonable offer, then make our pitch to that same owner. Problem was, no body really knew each other face to face even though we were close friends of the scene, and of course there is going to be the trust issue, and who is going to take ownership/responsibility for the account/funds.
If you (or anyone else) ever decides to start a funding project for this game, you could use kickstarter.com. That way no one pays a penny until our goal is reached.
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I honestly think that $10,000 will be too low and that it might take something more like $20,000 - $30,000. Which is not worth it to me.
The other thing to consider is that the person who owns that site and any other rumored owners of the game, may very well have traded it away years ago to the kind of private hoarder who doesn't wave around around proof of ownership on the internet. People like this one woman can continue to bask in the same level of glory without actually owning the game and no one will ever know the difference.
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f*ck that. we should do a kickstarter and call it
GET PC COCORON OUT OF THE HANDS OF THAT BITCH IN JAPAN
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Correct..... All i wanted was a copy. I wanted it because i wanted to play it and beat it, as well as tell the story of how i had one of the worlds rarest unreleased games, for the worlds most underappreciated gaming system. I wanted it to be something i could share with my close friends of the community as well. The owner is not stupid, and realizes her investment would depreciate under that umbrella, and i respect her diligence, regardless of how frustrating it is. There are several other ultra rare pc engine titles as well i would love to obtain an iso image of for my collection, but life has its priorities, and i am not richie rich throwing money at the ground for shits n giggles. I wish i were though, as you'd all be killing my bandwidth to get copies. Lol!
I would however settle for a detailed story of how she landed the prototype, and have it posted as a major article on this website, and any others. I think we have all wondered that scenario, and would be thankful for some insight on that.
Well before you start writing your autobiography you might want to learn that Yuki is very much not female. Tats has even met him a few times in a bar. Great guy. In Japan "Not for sale" means NOT FOR SALE. Yuki has helped me a few times stop annoying the guy, he's quite busy.
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f*ck that shit. He's got something that should be shared instead of horded.
What happens when he dies? The thing gets auctioned off, thrown out? Taken to some thrift store? Lost?
in Japan, NFS doesn't mean anything different than here. Every hoe has their price.
what is he busy with really? I doubt people trying to get his proto is that distracting.
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I'm not going into cultural differences, but do you really think annoying the hell out of him is going to change his mind?
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I don't think cultural differences have anything to do with it.
Collectors/Greedy hoarders are their own culture. If he's a big enough dick to sit on something that important and shaft an entire community worldwide, hes also a big enough dick to eventually cave in and sell it off for some obnoxious sum of money.
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We are talking about a culture that still doesn't understand the idea of joint custody, it simply doesn't exist. Marriage laws haven't been updated in over 200 years. Even though the entire world is bitching at them they are just finally agreeing to look at the Hague Convention. Also they bitch about the USA not signing the Kyoto Protocol, yet they are making the tuna go extinct. This is getting too political, so I'm stopping here, but the point is "Not for Sale" actually means "Not for sale."
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I bet if you waved 5000000 yen in front of Yukinator, he'd be all about sellin that shit.
He will say he won't because he doesn't think anyone will ever do that. He looks hardcore.
"THATS THE GUY THAT WONT SELL COCORON !!1234 HES SO KAWAIIIIIIIIIIOMG"
etc.
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As much as I'd love to see it, chances are that it would just be a big letdown anyway (much like Space Fantasy Zone).
We should just take the screenshots, rip out the graphics and make our own version. Then sell it for a fortune.
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Yeah, noone would really know the f*ckin difference since its all unanimated screenies.
good idea.
Noone saw this idea. It never happened.
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You could even tout it as another prototype. Nobody would even know.
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quick lets print up some art work, manuals, spines, and printed tops and sell it for $50 euros
o wait
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ill release insanity w/ new art called PC Roboron
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dooo eeeeet
PC COCORICO
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In the future, if there are prototype-talks with a Japanese person, let me know and I'll help write and translate letters. Negotiations like these are too delicate to leave to machine-translators, methinks.
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In the future, if there are prototype-talks with a Japanese person, let me know and I'll help write and translate letters. Negotiations like these are too delicate to leave to machine-translators, methinks.
Been done many years ago. I think Assembler offered at least $3,000? I'd assume Thibaut offered even more. This horse is dead.
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3,000 != 20-30,000$.
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Don't Asian women like bukkake? Maybe offering money isn't the way to go...
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http://nippotopia.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/extreme-rare-pc-engine-cd-rom-akiyamajin-hihou-indo-no-honoo-shishu-seyo-e-3-200/
This was the other one that i kept seeing once in a blue moon. I just did a google search and i found this site i have never seen before. Has any of you ever obtained a copy of this? I am shocked to see this site as recent as January 2010. I still need to pick up that berzerk homebrew, mysterious song as well. I have implode, and meteor blaster dx. Would be awesome to see some homebrew arcade card games take full advantage of that medium. If i were rich beyond imagination, i would hire chris covell full time, and let him choose his team of developers, and make killer new homebrew arcade card games for our awesome little white box. Did he ever give a release date for the cd version of Tonguemans Logic?
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deadite once uploaded an ISO of that game to share it to all the peeps out there.
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I think the money involved is borderline absurd. No companies that we'd like to support will receive any of that money and I wouldn't pay that much for a game, no matter how rare it is, because no game can be good enough to justify that cost : |
*boringface.jpg*
That said tho', of course I approve the hunt for unreleased gamese & prototypes, it's just, these things should be dealt with more causally. Not evolve into a competition of who's got the most money to throw around.
*insert naive worldview here*
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The biggest mistake being made here is everyone assumes this is all about money and bragging rights. Believe it or not, somethings are more important to people then money. Hell I was recently offered $2,000 for my Blazing Star AES, way more then double what I paid, but guess what? I don't need the money, and I love the game, so I declined. I could have accepted the money, bought another one eventually and still make a profit, but I simply don't want to do that. Waving money around is not always the answer.
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The biggest mistake being made here is everyone assumes this is all about money and bragging rights. Believe it or not, somethings are more important to people then money. Hell I was recently offered $2,000 for my Blazing Star AES, way more then double what I paid, but guess what? I don't need the money, and I love the game, so I declined. I could have accepted the money, bought another one eventually and still make a profit, but I simply don't want to do that. Waving money around is not always the answer.
That comparison doesn't make any sense, the whole point is no one but the owner can play PC Cocoron, anyone can download a rom of Blazing Star and play it.
If Yuki wants to keep the game to himself that's fine it's his property it's up to him, just suprised he has if he has been offered that kind of money.
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The biggest mistake being made here is everyone assumes this is all about money and bragging rights. Believe it or not, somethings are more important to people then money. Hell I was recently offered $2,000 for my Blazing Star AES, way more then double what I paid, but guess what? I don't need the money, and I love the game, so I declined. I could have accepted the money, bought another one eventually and still make a profit, but I simply don't want to do that. Waving money around is not always the answer.
If your copy of Blazing Star was the only one in existence, would you accept a wad of cash in exchange for letting someone dump the data to share with the world and then return the cart to you?
There has to be a reason besides him just not feeling like it. Maybe he's opposed to emulation. Maybe he really does want money or bragging rights. Was he or someone close to him directly entrusted with the proto by the developer? Or has the offer to dump the game and return it to him alongside a handsome payment even been made so far?
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You know how people break into the homes of celebrities and steal their home videos in hopes of hitting the home made porn jackpot. Well, perhaps a mission impossible style breaking in to this person's house with a laptop is the only way.
I did some yahoo.co.jp searches for PC cocoron and found several forum messages of people claiming to have played the game. Maybe it is time to track down one of the other owners.
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show us your researches :)
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The biggest mistake being made here is everyone assumes this is all about money and bragging rights.
What *is* it about then, since you apparently know all about the guy.
If they guy won't even bother dumping it, its clear that its at least NOT about the PC Engine community at large.
This was the other one that i kept seeing once in a blue moon. I just did a google search and i found this site i have never seen before. Has any of you ever obtained a copy of this? I am shocked to see this site as recent as January 2010. I still need to pick up that berzerk homebrew, mysterious song as well.
Mysterious Song isn't out yet. I still have plenty of copies of Insanity (Berzerk clone) left. :)
I have implode, and meteor blaster dx. Would be awesome to see some homebrew arcade card games take full advantage of that medium. If i were rich beyond imagination, i would hire chris covell full time, and let him choose his team of developers, and make killer new homebrew arcade card games for our awesome little white box. Did he ever give a release date for the cd version of Tonguemans Logic?
Soon, Aetherbyte's going to have a wide-scale release of homebrew HuCard games. Does that help? lol
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You know how people break into the homes of celebrities and steal their home videos in hopes of hitting the home made porn jackpot. Well, perhaps a mission impossible style breaking in to this person's house with a laptop is the only way.
I did some yahoo.co.jp searches for PC cocoron and found several forum messages of people claiming to have played the game. Maybe it is time to track down one of the other owners.
I refuse to partake in such silly activities anymore.
Not after the last face transplant at least.
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Hell I was recently offered $2,000 for my Blazing Star AES, way more then double what I paid, but guess what? I don't need the money, and I love the game, so I declined. I could have accepted the money, bought another one eventually and still make a profit, but I simply don't want to do that.
What if you were offered that money for a copy that you could make in less than five minutes and for less than $1? The guy simply doesn't want others to have access to it in any form, and it matters not the reason why (bragging rights, to make his pee-pee harder, etc.)
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Take this feeble attempt at research with a healthy coating of salt, not knowing much Japanese makes the matter difficult.
Here is a site of with what looks like direct feed screens from the game that are different from what is on that other site. Maybe it is by the same person, I do not know. But from what I can decipher of a google translation it seems he owns one of the prototype CD's or knows someone who does.
http://murakun5555.at.webry.info/201010/article_73.html
Here are some random old 2chan discussions where people seem to be claiming to own the game. These won't help much but perhaps it would not hurt for a native Japanese speaker to hit up 2chan and try to get a conversation going regarding the dumping of a ISO for fame, glory and cold hard cash. Whoever owns these things are hard core gamers so there is good chance they hang out on 2chan, or know someone who does.
http://mimizun.com/log/2ch/retro/1033571817/
Here is a site with an entry for the game with two users claiming to have it in their collection:
http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/3/28/592/1/PC-Cocoron-jp.htm
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lol
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Here is a site of with what looks like direct feed screens from the game that are different from what is on that other site. Maybe it is by the same person, I do not know. But from what I can decipher of a google translation it seems he owns one of the prototype CD's or knows someone who does.
http://murakun5555.at.webry.info/201010/article_73.html
He's got it, and it appears to be a complete version of the game. It also seems to have been shipped to a magazine editor for reviewing since it has "please return" written on the disc. The guy doesn't even know for sure. He sounds like a collector who had no professional involvement with the game.
Here are some random old 2chan discussions where people seem to be claiming to own the game.
EDIT: Some talk like they've played the game. Nobody gives details and there are no follow-up questions. I dunno, this reads like a bad gamefaqs forum. I guess that's 2chan for you.
Anyway, I think there was a Sonic 1 prototype that surfaced in Australia years ago. The guy who had it said that he didn't want to incur the wrath of Sega and refused to sell, but I believe he also suggested that he'd like a five-figure sum when people were offering four.
The good news is that if it's a disc, there's a good chance the guy has it backed up. It's not like old flash memory that's vulnerable to bit-rot. He may have a change of heart and decide to release it yet. It also may take a few more decades.
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quote is not edit. sorry.
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That last link I gave with two people claiming for have cleared the game. One of them is that Yukie fellow. The other one calls himself murakun (http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/3/33/121/show-user.htm
http://1st.geocities.jp/murakun5555/oshirase.html) and seems to have a website (http://1st.geocities.jp/murakun5555/oshirase.html).
Also, he seems to be pretty super hard core judging by the number of PC Engine games he claims to have cleared.
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Hmmm. I think you guys are going about this the wrong way. If the people who have Cocoron won't take money for a copy, they obviously don't value money above these kinds of possessions.
The answer is obvious; you just need to get a Super Grafx Power Console and trade it with him.
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Here is a site with an entry for the game with two users claiming to have it in their collection:
http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/3/28/592/1/PC-Cocoron-jp.htm
lol
LOL
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I talked with murakun many years ago. he got his whole complete collection from his uncle. everything in loose cond. tho.
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So does he really have Cocoron? If his games were a free-be then maybe he is not so possessive of his collection and might be talked into it.
Then again it sounds like you guys already went through all of this a long time ago.
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I think the least they can do is release a ton of really nice clear screenshots of the game (the only screens so far are compressed Jpeg and resized shots with antialiasing). Or some video footage.
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The least the f*cks could do is share it with everyone
It's like getting a free cake, eating one slice, and throwing the rest in the closet.
NO ITS MY FREE CAKE NOONE ELSE CAN f*ckING HAVE IT ITS MINE I DONT CARE IF ITS MOLDY. ITS MINE . GO AWAY. NOT FOR SALE.
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At least PC Cocoron isn't a very big loss. It's not an original game that doesn't exist in any other form. Space Fantasy Zone would have been a bigger loss. At least we got as completed a version of that game as we did.
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At least PC Cocoron isn't a very big loss. It's not an original game that doesn't exist in any other form. Space Fantasy Zone would have been a bigger loss. At least we got as completed a version of that game as we did.
What do you mean it's not a big loss!?
Nigga, you crazy.
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Man those screen shots are drool worthy. I guess there are no videos of game play? or did I miss that on one of the pages?
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Has anyone posted these pics yet?
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Suzuran/9038/pce_nfs22.html
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Has anyone posted these pics yet?
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Suzuran/9038/pce_nfs22.html
probably not less than a hundred times, even in this very same thread here :)
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ha ha :) Well, when I post the ISO... ;)
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ha ha :) Well, when I post the ISO... ;)
Then tats will shag your head Sirroco style :)