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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Discussion => Topic started by: esteban on October 12, 2009, 06:50:49 AM
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Most folks here understand that I must defend the honor of games that are needlessly shat upon by the general gaming public. The hoi polloi, if you will.
But what of the gurus, the experts, the professionals?
Needless to say, I am deeply saddened when the priests of gaming proceed to shite upon the very same games.
These days, it seems that I find myself asking, "Why all the hate?" with increasing frequency.
Exhibit 1:
15 minutes with China Warrior (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/09/15-minutes-with/)
This is an old "article" and it might have been posted on the forums already. But that doesn't matter. Because I want to vent.
Now, listen, I know that most folks aren't fans of China Warrior...
And I know that Mr. Kohler is probably a nice fellow...
but I loathe,
I utterly despise,
I wholeheartedly, and passionately deplore
his lazy dismissal of China Warrior.
I know this was a throwaway, "humor" post for Mr. Kohler; I can see that he spent more time taking a picture of his TurboExpress (a nice touch, by the way) than actually playing the game + writing the text.
But come on!
MORAL: At this point, it's just too damn easy to mock the same old games in the same old way. Try. That's all I ask: try. I appreciate the photo you took, Mr. Kohler. Now apply that sort of effort in other areas of your career.
P.S.: Oh my, I almost forgot... In defense of China Warrior (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=7413.msg124446#msg124446).
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You bring to my mind another game that I have never read a good review. That game is "Samurai Ghost." I really enjoy playing this game. I know that the animation of the character is stiff, but I like the game's weirdness and I have fun playing it. "Keith Courage" is another game that the critics like to trash. I spent hours and hours on that game when I first got my Turbo Grafx 16. And I still go back and play it occasionally.
You have aroused my curiosity about “China Warrior.” I have not sought it out, but I think it might be one of my next interests.
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"Keith Courage" is another game that the critics like to trash. I spent hours and hours on that game when I first got my Turbo Grafx 16. And I still go back and play it occasionally.
Yeah, KC gets shat on a lot. I tend to think it's because it was the pack-in game for the TG. There were definitely much worse games for the system that were sold separately, including some CD games. KC suffered from repetitive gameplay (many of the levels were far too similar), but had fantastic colours and some great sound effects and music.
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I'd gladly take KC as a pack-in over [the Genesis version of] Altered Beast any day.
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I'd gladly take KC as a pack-in over [the Genesis version of] Altered Beast any day.
So true. How many kids that got a Genny for Christmas were forced to fool themselves and make comments like, "OMG! Listen to the 'Power-up' voice!", or, "The NES or TG isn't able to show teh muscle detail like this.". Altered Beast is a royal stinker (I haven't played the two PCE ports, yet). I would gladly play KC over AB any day.
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I'd gladly take KC as a pack-in over [the Genesis version of] Altered Beast any day.
In 1989 I couldn't honestly say that. Now that both games are ancient and the flash of AB has long since gone stale its pretty obvious that KC is a waaaay better game than any version of AB.
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You bring to my mind another game that I have never read a good review. That game is "Samurai Ghost." I really enjoy playing this game. I know that the animation of the character is stiff, but I like the game's weirdness and I have fun playing it. "Keith Courage" is another game that the critics like to trash. I spent hours and hours on that game when I first got my Turbo Grafx 16. And I still go back and play it occasionally.
You have aroused my curiosity about “China Warrior.” I have not sought it out, but I think it might be one of my next interests.
My friend, welcome.
Samurai Ghost, as it happens, is another game that I used to propagandize (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=2605.msg30928#msg30928). It has wonderful, subtle little details that make it enjoyable to play (I like jumping up in the air and slicing down on enemies underneath, the parrying/blocking (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=861.msg5630#msg5630), etc.).
It is a challenging game, and no doubt many people have naysayed it simply out of frustration and anger.
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This is what happens when ignorant gimps are allowed to talk about video games. Most of these "hip console guys" that are all over the internet and on TV can't tell a Genesis from a load in their face.
"REMEBER WHEN WE USED TO PLAY SUPER SONIC BROTHERS 2 ON OUR ATARI 486 GUYS?! THE RETRO 8BIT DAYS WERE SO KEWL. I LOVE PIXELS AND 2 BUTTONS CAUSE IM HIP"
I bet after he slagged China Warrior, he went down to Starbucks, got a frapamoolatecino and got on facebook and set his status to "IM SO GAMER I SHIT PIXELS"
And in true idiot fashion, he called the hucard a CARTRIDGE. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) BUT ITS OK He used a Turbo Express, which means hes hip and in the know about the Turbo. I wonder if it was a cover up since he probably spells Turbo Grafx as "TURBO GRAPHIXS"
Its quite obvious he didn't play it at the time of its release and is comparing it to modern standards.
What other game at the time had sprites that big? Its not like KUNG FU on the NES offers any more depth than China Warrior. China Warrior is like a bigger, better, more Audio/Visual appealing version of Kung Fu.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Android77/THEKUNGFU.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Android77/chinashot_large.png)
China Warrior kicks ass, they cant cope.
and Keith Courage is a better pack-in than MARIO/DUCKHUNT or Altered Beast. I'd rather dance in rainbows, turn into a sweet power armored lunatic and kill giant walking pistols and frankenstein monsters than wise fwum my gwave and fight Uncle Fester and his autistic minions.
Not to mention, hey! You save the girl. You're still a corpse. Chicks don't dig literal crotch rot at all. :dance:
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Yeah, I don't know. I'm with you on these shit head game journalists, but China Warrior is a bad game. Its amazingly awkward and terrible. Why do the monks in the first stage not swing? They just...bump into, and do damage to you while dying at the same time. WTF is with the birds? Why would little sparrows hurt you. Why does punching them kill them when your fist doesn't even touch them? It isn't at all as good as Kung Fu (NES). In fact, it sucks compared to any of the cookie cutter platforms on PCE with smaller sprites like Momotauo Katsugeki, Blue Blink, Keith Courage, or any of the Wonderboy/Adventure Islands. Its better than Energy. :)
At the same time: "If there is another game that should more rightly be held up as the poster child for dog crap titles of the 16-bit era, I would like to know about it."
That's some BS right there. As bad as the game is, it is at least playable. Supposedly he reviewed this game because of a vote. If this is the case then at least he could have come up with something interesting to say about a game that had already been shit on by a half dozen other crappy reviewers like him.
The point of China Warrior was huge sprites. It succeeded in this area and because of that it is somewhat beyond criticism. Sword of Sodan (Amiga) was in the same ball park, but not on consoles at that time (I think). A reviewer that can't place himself in the context of 1989 where the graphics in this game blew people's minds isn't worth a shit. However, a reviewer that can't place himself in 1995 and see how amazing Toshinden (PS) was is also worthless. Toshinden was shit, but it was fad shit that served a purpose. Same with China Warrior.
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I didn't think China Warrior was that awkward. Kung Fu on NES aint exactly a smooth walk in the park. Though the best comparison for Kung Fu on NES is Vigilante. They play the same almost.
At the time of China Warriors release it had the most BAMF'd sprites to date.
It presents a moderate challenge, the music is pretty thumpin', and who cares if the monks don't actually attack.
Its not like all the dudes in Vigilante, KC, or other games throw punches. they just walk into you. That sort of thing is in a lot of games, why only complain about it in China Warrior.
also the box art rules. I don't see whats wrong with it or why the guy is complaining.
I bought China Warrior in 2001. Thats the first time I even played the game. I still think it rules.
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I didn't think China Warrior was that awkward. Kung Fu on NES aint exactly a smooth walk in the park. Though the best comparison for Kung Fu on NES is Vigilante. They play the same almost.
Kung Fu may not be smooth. But it's fun. The same cannot be said at all regarding China Warrior.
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Kung Fu may not be smooth. But it's fun. The same cannot be said at all regarding China Warrior.
*shrug* Its fun in my book
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Most folks here understand that I must defend the honor of games that are needlessly shat upon by the general gaming public. The hoi polloi, if you will.
But what of the gurus, the experts, the professionals?
Needless to say, I am deeply saddened when the priests of gaming proceed to shite upon the very same games.
These days, it seems that I find myself asking, "Why all the hate?" with increasing frequency.
Exhibit 1:
15 minutes with China Warrior (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/09/15-minutes-with/)
This is an old "article" and it might have been posted on the forums already. But that doesn't matter. Because I want to vent.
Now, listen, I know that most folks aren't fans of China Warrior...
And I know that Mr. Kohler is probably a nice fellow...
but I loathe,
I utterly despise,
I wholeheartedly, and passionately deplore
his lazy dismissal of China Warrior.
I know this was a throwaway, "humor" post for Mr. Kohler; I can see that he spent more time taking a picture of his TurboExpress (a nice touch, by the way) than actually playing the game + writing the text.
But come on!
MORAL: At this point, it's just too damn easy to mock the same old games in the same old way. Try. That's all I ask: try. I appreciate the photo you took, Mr. Kohler. Now apply that sort of effort in other areas of your career.
P.S.: Oh my, I almost forgot... In defense of China Warrior (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=7413.msg124446#msg124446).
I was more shocked by the rotten IGN reviews that were linked. The 1up review didn't work. First of all, even in the most negative frame of mind, China Warrior isn't even close to be nearly as bad as retro-hip game reviewers try to make it out to be. Even if they don't get it, it's still a functional game with gameplay. There are tons of unplayable non-interactive non-games for 8 & 16-bit consoles as well as what passes as full retail games today for DS and Wii.
The main reason China Warrior gets dumped on is by the selective logic that Turbo-haters love to use (ie: you can only compare HuCards to Genesis & SNES cart games). Even though it makes no sense, they expect hyper realism from the game. Even though it was still the early 16-bit generation and even though games today still haven't achieved that level of realism (try as they might), China Warrior haters actually question the logic of the theme and enemy types.
Why don't retro-hip reviewers question where Mario's wrench is and why touching mushrooms and glowing flowers changes him. Why don't they ask "OMG WHY THE HELL ARE THE FREAKING FLOWERS GLOWING!?!" There's never any question of why a hedgehog is blue and how people could live in world of messed up mazes (even now that Sonic games are in our world). No one criticizes beat 'em ups for have a few hundred twins, or for shooters to have planes/ships flying into power ups safely, yet exploding on contact with walls or enemies.
It's only when these people decide for whatever reason to blindly dismiss a game like China Warrior instead of simply judge it as a game that hyper-logic suddenly comes into play. That's why you can't take a review by someone like this seriously. If they throw their own logic out the door to begin with to criticize a game this way, how can we assume they're being "fair and balanced" with the rest?
The fact is China Warrior isn't a Kung Fu or Final Fight clone, it's a Gladiator clone. I've never heard anyone criticize Gladiator for realism. BITD everyone in my hometown appreciated it for what it is. All arcade games were ridiculous as realism simulators. But Gladiator actually offered a unique gameplay and aesthetic experience. That's why everyone I know who saw or played it has never forgotten it. The same things that China Warrior haters ridicule it for are the same things everyone especially loved about Gladiator. Especially the steamroller wheel. :P
Hudson could've just given us a similarly themed Gladiator sequel. Thankfully they instead gave us a game set in a totally different world and made it all the more impressive with highly animated solid sprites instead of jumbles. They did a perfect job replacing the obstacles with Hong Kong martial arts movie equivalents. And have any China Warrior haters even seen a Chinese martial arts film? Has there ever been one made where they didn't use martial arts against inanimate objects?
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I for one am not a hater of China Warrior, but hardly the OMFGZ SCREW ALL THE HATR+ERS THIS GAMEZ IS GREATZ Arkhan either. Especially when it came out, it def impressed with the sprite size, and graphics...playability not so much.
As for asking about people that dislike it ever having even seen a chinese martial arts film. Why yes, more than I can count. I'm nowhere near an expert, but yeah show me one GOOD HK kung fu/wuxia flick where they get there asses beat by flying potatoes, or hungover monks that just stumble into you :P You won't see Bruce, Jackie, Jet, Donny being so stiff, getting beat by flora. And yes there are MANY martial arts films that don't have any violence against inanimate objects ;)
Sadly even in this day and age we have yet to see a GREAT MA type game thats varied, and realistic (outside of possibly the musou games).
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I for one am not a hater of China Warrior, but hardly the OMFGZ SCREW ALL THE HATR+ERS THIS GAMEZ IS GREATZ Arkhan either.
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I'm inclined to side with you on that, nectarsis.
The second column was a rant about buyers remorse and the author blames the downfall of his childhood on a decent game that he wasn't any good at. I have no sympathy.
I have made far worse trades, and b1tcH3d less.
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Why don't retro-hip reviewers question where Mario's wrench is and why touching mushrooms and glowing flowers changes him. Why don't they ask "OMG WHY THE HELL ARE THE FREAKING FLOWERS GLOWING!?!" There's never any question of why a hedgehog is blue and how people could live in world of messed up mazes
This would be because Mario is clearly a much more abstract and cartoonish invention. The sprites in China Warrior are almost photo-realistic for the time. This leads people to want more. Its its own downfall. Looking better (in some ways) than Vigilante but playing much much worse is the path to unpopularity.
And last time I checked people have always criticized palette swapped enemies in beat-em-ups. The smart people though know that its totally memory/budget restrictions causing them. In China warrior once wonders if maybe those monks could be made to swing if they were just %15 shorter as to free up some memory.
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Well, after all this Altered Beast talk, I decided to give it a shot on MAME. It's been a while since I've played it, but let me tell you it leaves little to be desired. But you know what was one of my biggest gripes? Having to press jump. I would much rather push up to jump like on the PCE ports. But I don't think that would help it from being clumsy and unbearably slow. I still want to pick up either the huey or CD port of this game, though. :mrgreen:
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The PCE version of AB is horrendous. The control is worse, the difficulty is higher, and it has none of the cool samples. I haven't played the SMS version, but it can't be much worse. It might even be better.
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Someone mentioned "Vigilante" so I just had to pull it out and start playing it. Got to save Madonna. :)
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I for one am not a hater of China Warrior, but hardly the OMFGZ SCREW ALL THE HATR+ERS THIS GAMEZ IS GREATZ Arkhan either.
I find that using my name directly as an adjective is pretty pointless considering you're over exaggerating and incorrectly quoting what I said. Putting words in my mouth even.
The only time I used all caps and typed like that was to poke fun at the stupidity of the people hating on the game.
Did you actually read what I said and connect it with other similar comments about how shallow the complaints are, or just go into condescension mode.
The PCE version of AB is horrendous. The control is worse, the difficulty is higher, and it has none of the cool samples. I haven't played the SMS version, but it can't be much worse. It might even be better.
The SMS one is pretty much the same , with SMS style music. It should be called Clunkered Beast
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The multiple pictures (that have been posted multiple times regarding this game)..your constant L33T speak ..especially when ripping on others, or their opinions (then getting sand in your vag when someone picks on you..ironic). Besides I'm not DIRECTLY quoting you, or putting words in your mouth..it's called parody/satire.
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The multiple pictures (that have been posted multiple times regarding this game)..your constant L33T speak ..especially when ripping on others, or their opinions (then getting sand in your vag when someone picks on you..ironic). Besides I'm not DIRECTLY quoting you, or putting words in your mouth..it's called parody/satire.
When did I get sand in my vag? If im going to be represented by name, id prefer you get it right. If you don't like dissing naysayers, start a yaysayers thread and praise the gloriously ignorant mass retrogamer journalists. :)
I don't see whats so wrong with calling an obvious idiot an idiot. The leetspeek only serves to prove the point of making fun of them better. The photos are relevant. I don't see you being all crotchy when the OBEY PCE pic comes up more than one time. so whats the deal?
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The multiple pictures (that have been posted multiple times regarding this game)..your constant L33T speak ..especially when ripping on others, or their opinions (then getting sand in your vag when someone picks on you..ironic). Besides I'm not DIRECTLY quoting you, or putting words in your mouth..it's called parody/satire.
When did I get sand in my vag? If im going to be represented by name, id prefer you get it right. If you don't like dissing naysayers, start a yaysayers thread and praise the gloriously ignorant mass retrogamer journalists. :)
I don't see whats so wrong with calling an obvious idiot an idiot. The leetspeek only serves to prove the point of making fun of them better. The photos are relevant. I don't see you being all crotchy when the OBEY PCE pic comes up more than one time. so whats the deal?
The deal is you get on your little HARDCORE...all others are below you and your "knowledge" regularly. Yes many/most "gloriously ignorant mass retrogamer journalists" are doofs...so they ripped on game YOU love, but your opinionm is always SOOOOO much better. And calling me condescending...look at more than a few of your posts. WE GET IT your soooooo much cooler than 99% of the rest of people. :roll:
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The sad fact is that China Warrior totally sucks. To stick up for it you have to be pretty f*cking hardcore. So hardcore you just see red when people dis your shit. If you show China Warrior to basically anyone that hasn't seen it before they are going to not like it one bit. This wasn't the case in 1989, but its certainly the case now. Huge sprites were the FMV of their time. The only "OMFG HUGE SPRITE!" games I can recall off the top of my head that have aged well would be the first two Samurai Showdown games. The Art of Fighting (a much much better game than CW) hasn't aged very well. Martial Champions can just die.
Most NEC fans won't even stick up for this game, let alone regular gamers. Its unfair that game reviewers are using it as a whipping boy, but only because they are getting paid for what is essentially a circle jerk review, not because the game deserves better.
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below me and my knowledge? Really? With quotes even?! When the hell did I do or say that? I don't recall ever stating that I'm cooler than 99% of everyone, or that my opinion is so much better than anyone's here. I think maybe you look too far into things.
A misinformed/jaded journalist != person here. Its immediately apparent that the guy everyone's making fun of is a clown.
Sorry I rub you the wrong way. Since you want to get into it apparently, the things you just pointed the finger at me for, you do just the same. :-". Most people are guilty of it at some point. Big frigging deal. :-({|=
Someones opinion on some game/series/thing differs from yours and you do your attacky/condescending bit. Maybe you only do it towards me because of your recently confessed problem with me.. I dont know, but you're still just as guilty, so chill the balls out.
Making all kinds of inferences and most of what you said only serves to create tension and removes the easy going aspect of the forum. That's not good.
plus, I still think you're over reacting and taking some of the shit I say too seriously and treating it like some battle of the minds.
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and its like zeta said, you gotta be hardcore to defend china warrior.
What if someone dissed your most favorite game ever on earth. youd probably do something, call them a dipshit, make fun of them, and be pretty abrasive, no?
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I'm going to have to say that Altered Beast owns Keith Courage. Apparently the views of Keith Courage supremacy were not the usual sarcasm. hehe. Altered Beast: original story, fast-action controls, cool horror theme, nice animations. Keith Courage: awkward controls, made up name (it's really Wataru), theme and story is cliche, heck the robot he transforms into is an obvious rip-off of a sd gundam or something. I always thought the name Keith Courage was really gay; and if the name weren't enough, the many in game rainbows backed up my theory. lol. If they were going to rename this game, they should have called it something along the lines of Attack of Gunhed, due to the main enemies being walking guns. While I do enjoy playing Keith Courage once every 5 or so years, I think of it as a poor choice for a pack-in; especially at a time when pack-in games defined the potential of a given system.
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altered beast is BARELY an original story though.
All they did was throw in some necromancy on top of the good ol' "save my daughter from the bad guy" routine :)
The theme of AB is pretty sweet though. No doubt.
They only called him Keith Courage since Wataru is clearly non americanized, and back then America wasnt havin none of that.
Im surprised the rainbow beam isnt a stars and stripes, or something.
I think Altered Beast is a better game overall as a pack in, but Keith Courage is more fun to me. I like the town scenes, and all the dopey music.
They both beat the NES packin for sure though :-D Mario 1, while a classic, is rough as all hell.
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Perhaps you're right about that Arkhan. The "wise fwom yo gwave" is classic though. hahaha. I guess my love for altered beast hath been revealed.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/photodavid/abc.jpg
...and by the way, won't you please take part in our previous discussion below :)
And in true idiot fashion, he called the hucard a CARTRIDGE. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5211.0
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Yeah, dont get me wrong, i LOVE altered beast. Even the clunky master system one.
But that game sure is stiff.
Im jealous of your cabinet.
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thnx, best $200 I had spent in a long time. 8)
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What if someone dissed your most favorite game ever on earth. youd probably do something, call them a dipshit, make fun of them, and be pretty abrasive, no?
Wait, your favorite game ever on Earth is China f*cking Warrior? You need some self respect, man. You're better than that.
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What if someone dissed your most favorite game ever on earth. youd probably do something, call them a dipshit, make fun of them, and be pretty abrasive, no?
Wait, your favorite game ever on Earth is China f*cking Warrior? You need some self respect, man. You're better than that.
I dunno,"China f*cking Warrior" sounds kind of cool.
:-D
When i play china warrior i throw on some slip on slippers, white socks and black sweatpants
no shirt, and i make this face
>_O
I totally enter the dragon when I play. :)
Im telling you though, play it with the music coming out of an epic sound system. Jack the woofer up.
Its so thumpin it hurts.
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Perhaps you're right about that Arkhan. The "wise fwom yo gwave" is classic though. hahaha. I guess my love for altered beast hath been revealed.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/photodavid/abc.jpg
...and by the way, won't you please take part in our previous discussion below :)
And in true idiot fashion, he called the hucard a CARTRIDGE. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5211.0
haha. That's exactly the discussion I thought of when I read that. That was a heated thread. :lol: :lol: :lol: Good times.
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blame turbo d for me resurrecting it. he said join the discussion
i didnt check the date til after i posted, rofl.
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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Yeah, dont get me wrong, i LOVE altered beast. Even the clunky master system one.
But that game sure is stiff.
Im jealous of your cabinet.
I was beginning to think that I was the only person on earth who doesn't detest Altered Beast. I loved it on the Master System and really enjoyed the Mega Drive version. I think a lot of it was down to the music though, in those days I tended to warm to games just for their music or if they had any anime content in them (as that was pretty rare back then).
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Yeah, dont get me wrong, i LOVE altered beast. Even the clunky master system one.
But that game sure is stiff.
Im jealous of your cabinet.
I was beginning to think that I was the only person on earth who doesn't detest Altered Beast. I loved it on the Master System and really enjoyed the Mega Drive version. I think a lot of it was down to the music though, in those days I tended to warm to games just for their music or if they had any anime content in them (as that was pretty rare back then).
I can stomach some pretty clunked the eff out C64 games, and some awful atari games, so I think I mostly base how good a game is based off how much fun I have while playing it.
I mean it could look reallllly flashy...., be smooth as butter, and be renown as the greatest game ever........if it bores me while playing it, I dont like it.
I think I just described halo.
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I don't know about this "you gotta be hardcore to like China Warrior" nonsense- especially coming from Zeta who loves shit games like Burning Angels. I really enjoy China Warrior- and I don't consider myself gung-ho hardcore. Plenty of turbo games I can't stand- Samurai Ghost being one of them- Burning Angels another- the list is pretty big- but for some standard big dude kicking and punching with some appropriate theme music humming along- China Warrior does the trick... yeah- it's jerky- but you just need to adjust your rhythm- and yeah the enemies get monotonous- but it's all worth it to duke it out with the old drunken master at the end- and few hits in videogames are as satisfying as China Warrior's ludicrous giant fist punch. It's crap- yeah- but it's GOOD crap. There is such a thing.
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I bet most of the haters never get any oolong tea, or do the superfist of doom.
PS: I like burning angels >_>
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I just played "The Kung Fu" last night and got 138,000 points. Got to level 4-1.
The game is great fun in 15-minute increments once a month. I had no desire to repeat the game, or play again. It IS more limited than Mario 3, but I really enjoy playing it every once in awhile. Im not rabid, but its a good stress reliever. Just don't get hit by the potatoes.
Keith Courage PWNS Altered Beast, btw. :mrgreen:
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Of course its limited! Its an older game!
I played it earlier this morning too and blew through it. I was on a perfect run for awhile of hitting everything on screen until like level 3
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First, let me just say that I really did not anticipate any negative energy when I started this thread.
May I suggest everyone take a deep breath, exhale, and sip some oolong tea?
:)
That's better.
China Warrior, like many games, has an incredibly simple concept. I think it does a mediocre job with this simple concept--and, still, amazingly, this mediocrity can be fun! I don't fault Beer Tapper for not allowing me to level up my speed and dexterity, D&D RPG-style.
Black Tiger, a few years back, told us about Gladiator, which I had never played before. I was delighted! I had forgotten about Gladiator until reading B_T's post earlier in this thread. :). IIRC, B_T used "litterbug" to describe this genre of game? Ahh, my memory fails me, but I want to play that game again!
China Warrior is a RHYTHM GAME, but better (IMO), because I like PUNCHING TWIGS (the sound effect for that is great!).
Plus, when our hero is injured, the corner of his lip gets bloody! And his abdomen! How could you not like this?
I got this game when it first came out, and, quite honestly, I didn't think it was anything special. I thought the boss fights were the weakest part of the game, and, not surprisingly, I still feel the same way. Our hero, and the monks, are especially stiff in appearance. I wanted more depth.
Despite all of these things, China Warrior can be a lot of fun, if you accept it for what it is.
In fact, I'll go further: the gameplay during the stages is almost divine, and transcends the "stiffness" to a zen-like state where the game requires a nuanced, subtle hand. You literally become "one with the game" and it flows.
SINSTRON gets it :)
I don't know about this "you gotta be hardcore to like China Warrior" nonsense- especially coming from Zeta who loves shit games like Burning Angels. I really enjoy China Warrior- and I don't consider myself gung-ho hardcore. Plenty of turbo games I can't stand- Samurai Ghost being one of them- Burning Angels another- the list is pretty big- but for some standard big dude kicking and punching with some appropriate theme music humming along- China Warrior does the trick... yeah- it's jerky- but you just need to adjust your rhythm- and yeah the enemies get monotonous- but it's all worth it to duke it out with the old drunken master at the end- and few hits in videogames are as satisfying as China Warrior's ludicrous giant fist punch. It's crap- yeah- but it's GOOD crap. There is such a thing.
Yup. It is good crap :). The "fists of fury" is also pretty damn satisfying.
And, I'm no misogynist (far from it), but punching the bosses in their faces (including the lady!) was satisfying. I just wish the boss fights weren't broken (using turbo+cornering the boss+crouching/standing up/down rapidly). Hudson should have refined the boss fights... so that you couldn't exploit anything and were forced to devise different strategies.
I just played "The Kung Fu" last night and got 138,000 points. Got to level 4-1.
The game is great fun in 15-minute increments once a month. I had no desire to repeat the game, or play again.
I always wanted to get to the next stage in China Warror. :) But, I agree that it is therapeutic. There is something therapeutic about China Warrior. Maybe the oolong tea has something to do with it.
FOR THE RECORD: Keith Courage had potential to be awesome, but it gets tedious/repetitive quickly. It is very playable, though. The transition from overworld-->underworld is nice, because you really feel like a badasss in the Nova Suit. Jumping in the Nova Suit, swinging the sword--it feels great, and the sfx when you land are great. Too bad all of this was squandered by boring overworld level designs (there should have been puzzles/variety--how lame is it to simply buy a new sword and a handful of bombs?), a severely lacking cast of enemies, etc.. Similarly, Altered Beast had potential to be awesome, but stinky controls (among other things) sabotaged it. Both games deserved more tenderness and love in development.
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I like to play China Warrior to the rhythm of the music.
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So what about other games that get a bad rap? I can think of at least one. :wink: :P :mrgreen: :lol:
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So what about other games that get a bad rap? I can think of at least one. :wink: :P :mrgreen: :lol:
DENY flying doughnuts, and drywall!! [-( [-( [-(
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So what about other games that get a bad rap? I can think of at least one. :wink: :P :mrgreen: :lol:
DENY flying doughnuts, and drywall!! [-( [-( [-(
Whatever do you mean?! :lol:
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I kind of like China Warrior...but most people who like the game owned it early on. It most certainly wouldn't impress anyone these days, and that's where the modern reviewers are faltering. I do agree that the game should never have come to the VC...there are hundreds of far better games to choose from...but regardless, CW is fine in its own domain, with all its brokenness. You can count me among the people who can't stand Altered Beast though...man that game is made of pure suck...the gameplay is butt-curdle slow (don't give me that "strategy" bullshit), controls like smelly ass (all versions suck at this, I've played them all), and is about as interesting as a lobotomy on a fundamentalist (no brain = not a very interesting lobotomy). And I do like Keith Courage...hell, right now it's the only domestic huey I have. :D It has its own shortcomings but they're not bad. I think Keith was hitting the oolong tea too much already though...whose idea was it to give him such a massive melon? He looks stupid.
By the way SoZ, it's Martial Champion, not Martial Champions. At the arcade, I used to pwn people left and right at it. To this day, I am undefeated in that game.
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I got China Warrior in 8th grade (2000 / 2001). I was sick and played the boo-hoo card, and talked them into taking me to the game store.
I picked it over fantasy zone and sat for a long ass time playing that game. I didn't see anything wrong with it then and still don't now. :)