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Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on November 11, 2009, 10:26:52 PM
As we're on the verge of Beta 3, pre-orders have been opened. A free bonus is included for the first 25 orders. Beta 3 rolls out in a week, and December will be spent with release candidates. The game will be release-ready by the end of the year, and in January, the order will be made. March 1st, 2010 is the scheduled release date.
http://www.frozenutopia.com/
Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Necromancer on November 12, 2009, 02:26:57 AM
Woo-hoo, order placed! Strange, though - why is digitalblackie labeled as an attack site? I don't want any trojan horses, thank you very much. :(
Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: hoobs88 on November 12, 2009, 03:45:36 AM
Pre-order placed!
Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on November 12, 2009, 04:21:44 AM
Woo-hoo, order placed! Strange, though - why is digitalblackie labeled as an attack site? I don't want any trojan horses, thank you very much. :(
The main site had been hijacked a little while ago (thanks to the lazy admins of the server), so the site was removed since it's no longer in use anyways. However, the URL hasn't been removed from the list of "bad sites" yet. But don't worry; the site is fine, as there's nothing actually there anymore. The hijackers were using it as an adware distribution point, but only for a couple of days before they got busted. Since we only use the server for our email accounts and nameservers now, we didn't notice, and the server admins were asleep at the wheel. :D
Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Necromancer on November 12, 2009, 04:33:42 AM
The main site had been hijacked a little while ago (thanks to the lazy admins of the server), so the site was removed since it's no longer in use anyways. However, the URL hasn't been removed from the list of "bad sites" yet. But don't worry; the site is fine, as there's nothing actually there anymore. The hijackers were using it as an adware distribution point, but only for a couple of days before they got busted. Since we only use the server for our email accounts and nameservers now, we didn't notice, and the server admins were asleep at the wheel. :D
The server administrators weren't lazy.... it was them all along. Mwuhahahaha! :lol:
Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on November 12, 2009, 05:05:56 AM
The server administrators weren't lazy.... it was them all along. Mwuhahahaha! :lol:
Never know...it might have been! :lol:
But that server has had problems in the past as well. Other sites on the server (not owned by us) had been hacked before and either defaced or used to spread adware. Fortunately, there has never been anything truly malicious hosted there, and the OS has never been compromised.
Title: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on November 13, 2009, 08:27:24 AM
The pre-order price has been reduced to $35, as the original price tag seemed a bit high.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: RoyVegas on November 13, 2009, 08:50:55 AM
My pre-orders in. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: termis on November 13, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
Order in. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on November 14, 2009, 05:23:10 AM
I would like to thank everyone who has pre-ordered so far! This production would not be possible without you! We are almost halfway to our pre-order goal now, and are considering extending the bonus gift cutoff. There's just a couple of bonus gifts left from the original promotion though! :)
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: hoobs88 on November 14, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
We have sold out our entire stock of bonus items. However, we may expand it to 50...not sure just yet.
I think that would be a great idea, seeing as I just placed my pre-order this evening :)
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: KingDrool on November 20, 2009, 04:32:18 AM
Pre-ordered! Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: KingDrool on November 21, 2009, 10:07:15 AM
I may have missed it, but have you mentioned what's included with the purchase? Is it being packaged similarly to what Arkhan did with Insanity?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on November 21, 2009, 01:50:07 PM
Yes, it is a complete CD with 8-page full-color manual in a shrink-wrapped jewel case. Equuskia has not finished the manual completely yet though, so the cover art is still tentative.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: KingDrool on November 22, 2009, 07:32:43 AM
Awesome. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: shubibiman on January 07, 2010, 06:55:29 AM
Anything new here? I just know that the french translation has already been sent to you.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 09, 2010, 05:31:54 PM
It's still being worked on, but programming-wise their's nothing at the moment, as Nod is having some more incredible financial woe's, but the game is still coming.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: TheClash603 on January 10, 2010, 03:56:44 AM
Are there still bonus pre-orders left? If so, I will need to place one Friday, if no, I will wait for reviews :)
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 10, 2010, 08:17:57 AM
I'm not sure, I'm tempted to say no, but, I haven't been keeping track of the number of preorders lately. Maybe Keranu knows?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: shonenx on January 10, 2010, 09:56:34 AM
Whats the update on the release date ? still march for sure? I wanna get in on Da Hoop la 8-[
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 14, 2010, 09:09:59 PM
I don't know, since I no longer have an active role in the game, I've been done for awhile, so I haven't kept up as much.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on January 29, 2010, 01:18:27 PM
When this comes out in March, will there be extras? I didn't pre-order, but I just noticed in the first post that it's going to the pressing plant this month (if it hasn't already gone there). Hopefully y'all are making a few extra for latecomers.
If this has already been answered in another thread, I apologize... I didn't see this question anywhere.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 29, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
So coy....
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on January 30, 2010, 12:26:00 PM
MSR is going to be delayed by about two weeks because of our pending move from our house. It won't be a Pier Solar type of delay though.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on January 30, 2010, 01:48:20 PM
Pier Solar was delayed? Do you mean the previous delays, or is this another one?
Two weeks is pretty negligible. But will there be extra copies, or just enough to cover preorders?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 30, 2010, 05:57:34 PM
I "think" there are extra copies, but, as I said earlier, I haven't had an active role in the games process for awhile, so, I haven't heard how many have preordered in awhile.
As for Pier Solar(which I preordered maybe a couple months ago) it seems like it's been in constant delay, I haven't heard of a release date for it, though maybe things have changed? I'm too lazy right now to check the site.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on January 31, 2010, 01:55:49 AM
There are plenty of extra copies of the game itself that will be available, not not of the bonus item. That was sold out long ago.
And by the Pier Solar delay...I'm referring to the year-plus delay it's had.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: mrhaboobi on January 31, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
i think i may have missed out on the bouns item.. fingers crossed i havent but time will tell :)
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Necromancer on February 01, 2010, 02:32:23 AM
There are plenty of extra copies of the game itself that will be available, not not of the bonus item.
What's the realistic minimum that can be ordered anyway? 1000?
Anywho, just out of curiosity, how many pre-orders are there?
pressing houses range from a bare minimum of 300 to 500.
if rover is still going with the pressing house we talked about, they'll do 300, but its more cost-effective to go for at least 500.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on February 26, 2010, 01:19:21 PM
It's almost March! I can't wait for Mysterious Song to arrive =D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: peperocket on February 26, 2010, 07:35:26 PM
Could Theoldrover or Fronzen Utopia provide some news about the game, it will be very fair to the people who's trust you and has pre-ordered the game ????
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on February 27, 2010, 03:26:38 AM
The Old Rover is in the middle of looking for work(& working an extra job IIRC), & looking for a new place to live. Despite their financial situation, they thankfully weren't kicked right out onto the street, but regardless, their hasn't been any time for coding the game, so as I think he mentioned earlier, it's been pushed. I forget when they are supposed to be out of their current place. I think he may have said they found another place, but have alot of physical work to do, before they can can even move in IIRC. Regardless, it's still coming, but like with anything in this world, life/hard times can get in the way.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on February 27, 2010, 08:26:18 AM
Rover said it was pushed two weeks, which means it should have already gone to press by now with anticipated delivery in late March. Since the coding is still in progress, sounds like it will be at least a few months yet. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on February 27, 2010, 09:27:27 AM
It was initially pushed two weeks to compensate for delayed artwork, but as the final artwork still hasn't been received, it's at a standstill. Once all the artwork is ready, it will be about two weeks of additional development, then perhaps another two weeks of final testing before it's considered release-ready. Getting it manufactured should be less than a month.
If anyone wants to back out of their order, simply send me a message and I will grant a full refund. Of course, if you're one of the first to order and are in line for the bonus item, backing out now will revoke your bonus item, and it will be given to the next in line.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Senshi on February 27, 2010, 10:24:27 AM
I pre-ordered a copy. This is so cool that you guys are doing this. Can't wait to play the game.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on February 27, 2010, 11:11:54 AM
yay. Cant wait to play it. Shit I still have to preorder it lol!
:)
maybe we can keep up this trend of 1-2 turbo games a year
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: mrhaboobi on February 27, 2010, 12:22:01 PM
im keen on the bonus stuff :) jut have to get people to back out ( and of course buy it later again because you need to sell as many as you can ;) )
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on February 27, 2010, 01:13:34 PM
yay. Cant wait to play it. Shit I still have to preorder it lol!
:)
maybe we can keep up this trend of 1-2 turbo games a year
Or more, depending on if some games can use already established engines, & just tweak them, plus, get some more dev's up in here, not to mention it'd be great if BT Garner was back in action, so we could see Xymati, PC Gunjin(my personal fav) & Auxvania(I think that was the name)!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: D-Lite on March 07, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
It was initially pushed two weeks to compensate for delayed artwork, but as the final artwork still hasn't been received, it's at a standstill. Once all the artwork is ready, it will be about two weeks of additional development, then perhaps another two weeks of final testing before it's considered release-ready. Getting it manufactured should be less than a month.
If anyone wants to back out of their order, simply send me a message and I will grant a full refund. Of course, if you're one of the first to order and are in line for the bonus item, backing out now will revoke your bonus item, and it will be given to the next in line.
What's the distribution plan for it? Anything more than through your site? I've already preordered, just wondering about total reach on the launch.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on March 07, 2010, 10:22:54 PM
Just through the site initially. We were going to have it sold through TZD, but we all know how that turned out. :D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 09, 2010, 03:59:44 PM
Rover, what's the hold-up on Mysterious Song? There's been no update lately. People are going to start to think you took the money and ran.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on April 09, 2010, 04:12:29 PM
If you had read the site, you would have seen that yes, there HAS been an update, and a new expected release timeframe.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
When a site only gets updated once a year, that's not the first place I tend to look for information.
So July is the new target date then.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on April 09, 2010, 04:40:51 PM
Correct, and it's probably pushing it too. It will take awhile to get the new images converted and programmed into the game, at least two weeks. But once that's done, we go to RC1, as Beta 3 has run its course. That was the final beta, and cutscenes do not really require beta testing.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: peperocket on April 20, 2010, 05:59:29 AM
No PM reply and wrong email adress.
Someone from Frozen Utopia could give me the good way for my preorder's refund ?
Thanks
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on April 20, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
MP reply?
As for an email address, I don't know personally, that'd be Nod that has the email address.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: peperocket on April 20, 2010, 11:28:17 AM
Sorry, I want to say Private Message.
Email attached on this board seems to be wrong, return an error message.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on April 20, 2010, 06:00:40 PM
Oh, PM. I'm not sure about the email address, but I will say that it sounds like Nod is getting settled in his new residence, so things are moving along again. I'm guessing he'll soon be around on the forums more often again.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 23, 2010, 02:50:56 PM
It sounds to me like Rover took the money and ran.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2010, 04:06:48 PM
It sounds to me like Rover took the money and ran.
yeah man, a respected community member who is currently going through a rough patch just took everyones money and bailed. You caught him! :D
The pre order money is totally worth screwing friends over. I mean its such a large sum of money. Enough to live like a king.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 23, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
"The pre order money is totally worth screwing friends over"
I'm pretty sure that if Rover and peperocket were friends, they would know each other's email addresses and we wouldn't be discussing this. Besides, it's not so much about Rover intending to screw people over, as much as being irresponsible and pre-emptively spending money that shouldn't be spent (because the game will never be finished).
And for the record, I don't respect Rover. But I do know that he'll refund peperocket's money as soon as he sees this, just to prove me wrong, and that's all that matters =D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2010, 04:21:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that if Rover and peperocket were friends, they would know each other's email addresses and we wouldn't be discussing this. Besides, it's not so much about Rover intending to screw people over, as much as being irresponsible and pre-emptively spending money that shouldn't be spent (because the game will never be finished).
By friends, I also mean the other people involved with the project. Bailing would mean they are up shit creek as well.
also, are we 100% sure this money was pre-emotively spent? There is an apparent communication mishap, but I am sure refunds will be given where requested. peperocket doesn't seem too up in arms about it.
and as for the game not being finished, I think you are wrong and not very understanding. Why don't you put your money where you mouth is?
oh. Is that why you constantly make petty little jabs about Mysterious Song whenever you get the chance? :)
Seriously, if you have some problem, thats cool. We get it. Give it a rest. Go piss in some other homebrew scenes cheerios for awhile. Inflammatory nonsense like this is what discourages more homebrew to take place.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 23, 2010, 04:38:25 PM
I'm not pissing in the homebrew scene's cheerios. I think you're overly identifying with Rover's ineptitude, and you shouldn't --- after all, you actually finished your game on schedule. Even if it had been delayed, I doubt you would have openly blamed other team members. You're not that kind of person, and I respect that.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2010, 04:52:15 PM
Well did you start your Octology, or was that just another little joke? You got some people excited about it in your thread you made! It would be inept not to deliver, right? :)
how about guessing "mysterious song" and "jungle bros" for pce screenshot quizzes?
Whats with all the BS little comments? Sounds like pissing-in-cheerios to me.
I wouldn't call anything Rover has done inept. That's very uncool. yes Insanity was out on time, but I also was lucky enough that real life didn't get in the way of a hobby project. It is also way less of a project as far as graphics and content are concerned.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 23, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
Well did you start your Octology, or was that just another little joke? You got some people excited about it in your thread you made! It would be inept not to deliver, right?
I'll answer this question after a bunch of people spend umpteen man-hours providing me with content, and after a bunch of other people pay me money. It would be silly to call myself inept before reaping the benefits!
Whats with all the BS little comments? Sounds like pissing-in-cheerios to me.
I never denied pissing in Rover's cheerios. I denied pissing in the homebrew scene's cheerios. Two very different things.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: lord_cack on April 23, 2010, 07:44:36 PM
Emerald, take it somewhere else man. Everyone gets it, you don't like Rover. Whatever. But, I don't see anyone in this thread asking you to come be the great defender of all things pre-ordered. You have been in this thread several times just poking. For no real reason. I saw no posts of anyone crying out for answers, other than yours. No steady series of posts complaining about the time frame for which this game will be released, other than you. See the direction this is moving in.
Do you think some people are cynical enough to think that Rover may have walked off with there money? I would bet there is, but no one who is cynical enough to post it, other than you.
I'm sure if you would take a brief look through most of the threads in these forums you'll see for the most part, we're a pretty tight nit tribe. It seems like people are fairly understanding of the way life works and that things don't always workout as planned. Life hasn't been as gracious to some as it has to others this year. Thats the way things are.
I don't know what happened to the money. Is it sitting in a secure location (bank, under a matress, in a coffee can in someones backyard) I don't know. Is it in some landlords hand because someone had to decide to pay the rent in order to survive? I don't know that either. Yet, something tells me I don't care because one way or another Im sure it will make its way BACK into the hands of the person it belongs too.
When we want your opinion on the subject, well ask and if by some strange series of circumstances there is an outcry for answers that has made its way to you, and no one else, then by all means you will need to become "The Emerald Defender" protecting the pre-orders of gamers everywhere....
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 05:29:32 AM
Do you think some people are cynical enough to think that Rover may have walked off with there money? I would bet there is, but no one who is cynical enough to post it, other than you.
When we want your opinion on the subject, well ask and if by some strange series of circumstances there is an outcry for answers that has made its way to you, and no one else, then by all means you will need to become "The Emerald Defender" protecting the pre-orders of gamers everywhere....
Funny that those 2 statements contradict each other. Maybe no one else has posted because they weren't asked :P Trust me I have heard the same sentiment as Emerald's from more than a few people, many either don't care to "stir up the pot", or get jumped on by various members.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 24, 2010, 07:45:29 AM
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You have been in this thread several times just poking. For no real reason. I saw no posts of anyone crying out for answers, other than yours
One time I poked because I strongly suspected the game had been delayed, but there had been no announcement here on PCEFX. Meanwhile, preorders were still open so money could be coming in. Potential customers needed to know if there had been a delay. Rover confirmed this and provided a new date.
After quite a bit of time had passed and the new date appeared unattainable, I said nothing. For a while. But then I saw Rover in shoutbox blaming the delay on someone else, while simultaneously revealing that person's private life info. Of course, that person was not present. That pissed me off -- whether or not the person being blamed would have been pissed -- so that's when I poked again. Rover confirmed the delay and provided a new date. His post on here was worded politely and properly, so I dropped it.
Now, someone has tried unsuccessfully to get a response about their money. In past threads about other people, there would have been an outcry if the seller were unreachable. Has anyone from FrozenUtopia told this guy what Rover's correct email address is? Does anyone from FrozenUtopia even know? Is this guy going to get his money back, or is he going to be fed a story that makes him feel guilty for even asking for his money back?
It's easy to prove me wrong about the money already being spent. He can just send this guy a refund. I'd be fine with being wrong.
Rover indicates that this game is close to completion (just waiting on a key piece), but I'm skeptical. Once the key pieces are together, there's still work to be done, which could be small or large. What's clear here is that the major components are not finished. There's only one reason to open pre-orders before all the major components are finished -- THEY NEED MONEY (presumably to fund final stages of development). Once someone starts taking peoples' money to continue development, there's a new responsibility to respond to the questions and demands of the people who are paying... even if the questions come from just one or two people, and the community-at-large is bizarrely okay with unexplained (until I ask) delays.
Plus, I just don't like him.
Whether or not you like my reasons is one thing. But to say I've been poking "for no real reason" is incorrect.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: TheClash603 on April 24, 2010, 08:22:25 AM
...there is a reason I never preordered this game. I too agree that there should be more openness to those who are now essentially investors for the game. Once it comes out I will get a copy, but in the meantime, it does seem like an uncomfortable situation for those that have already paid.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 08:24:10 AM
After quite a bit of time had passed and the new date appeared unattainable, I said nothing. For a while. But then I saw Rover in shoutbox blaming the delay on someone else, while simultaneously revealing that person's private life info. Of course, that person was not present. That pissed me off -- whether or not the person being blamed would have been pissed -- so that's when I poked again. Rover confirmed the delay and provided a new date. His post on here was worded politely and properly, so I dropped it.
Why don't you let the person whom the private info concerns decide how they feel about it instead of getting pissed off for them, and poking fun? When delays occur, it has always been explained in a sensible manner. The majority of pre-orderers are understanding of real-life having precedence over a hobby/community project. That's because everyone knows how real life can bitch slap you when you least expect or need it.
I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but I don't see you doing a similar line of jabbing and prodding in regards to Pier Solar, another long-delayed, extremely preordered homebrew. What gives? :) Why the bias attitude? It's unnecessary.
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Now, someone has tried unsuccessfully to get a response about their money. In past threads about other people, there would have been an outcry if the seller were unreachable. Has anyone from FrozenUtopia told this guy what Rover's correct email address is? Does anyone from FrozenUtopia even know? Is this guy going to get his money back, or is he going to be fed a story that makes him feel guilty for even asking for his money back?
Why don't you mind your own business? Yes it is being mentioned publicly, but there are enough frozen utopia members present that the matter ends up going through the proper channels and arriving where it needs to, and is then handled accordingly. You are aware ParanoiaDragon is part of Frozen Utopia, and already responded? You'd think with all the investigation fueled by RoverHateTM, you would at least know the other members on the project....?
And even if you aren't aware of who knows what... So what? It isn't your business. Let the relevant people deal with it. They are here too, and everyone is aware. You aren't some VIP information holder here on this public forum. :D Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean you have to get involved. If you feel the need to assist, maybe you should ask if you can hop on board as the financial overseer and public relations expert for Frozen Utopia?
Or you could start your Octology and see how you fair with dealing with it all while Real Life: The Game is running constantly.
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Rover indicates that this game is close to completion (just waiting on a key piece), but I'm skeptical. Once the key pieces are together, there's still work to be done, which could be small or large. What's clear here is that the major components are not finished.
There is a fully playable beta? It was reviewed at one point already? Duh! I can also vouch for the game being about wrapped up.
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There's only one reason to open pre-orders before all the major components are finished -- THEY NEED MONEY (presumably to fund final stages of development). Once someone starts taking peoples' money to continue development, there's a new responsibility to respond to the questions and demands of the people who are paying... even if the questions come from just one or two people, and the community-at-large is bizarrely okay with unexplained (until I ask) delays.
The reason for taking preorder money is the same reason I took preorder money. It's to front the cost of CD Pressing. Not to fund the actual development of the game. The friggin development is free. Maybe it pays for a 2am coke/cheetoh run or two, but thats about it.
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Plus, I just don't like him.
Letting personal feelings affect your reactions towards a quasi-professional project is wack, sucka.
...there is a reason I never preordered this game. I too agree that there should be more openness to those who are now essentially investors for the game. Once it comes out I will get a copy, but in the meantime, it does seem like an uncomfortable situation for those that have already paid.
The problem isn't the lack of openness, its the lack of TIME for openness. You'll notice, there are large gaps between rover's posts.
I fully understand people being skeptical, but there is a right way, and a wrong way to go about voicing concerns and looking for answers to problems.
Case in point: This thread.
I think it will all work out for the best, and the end result will be a nice game to wave in the faces of the other retro console enthusiasts.
PCE 4 LIFE. :D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 08:48:36 AM
Why don't you let the person whom the private info concerns decide how they feel about it instead of getting pissed off for them
I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but I don't see you doing a similar line of jabbing and prodding in regards to Pier Solar, another long-delayed, extremely preordered homebrew. What gives? :) Why the bias attitude? It's unnecessary.
Like you white knighting for Rover. Shouldn't HE be dealing with this...he has logged on not that long ago (4/18).
Pier Solar is irrelevant to this convo, it's about MS.
"Why don't you mind your own business? Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean you have to get involved."
Ironic..what business of yours is it? You KEEP getting involved..whats good for the goose...
"The problem isn't the lack of openness, its the lack of TIME for openness. You'll notice, there are large gaps between rover's posts."
Yet he does lurk somewhat regularly. Frankly with the previous thread calling him out on $ issues, etc. maybe people SHOULD be posting more about this. I can see things getting worked out, but frankly calling this 5+ year journey, and the lack of updates/communication "quasi-professional" it's not being handled properly/professionally (especially keeping people in the loop).
It's funny you are doing EXACTLY the same things you're jumping on Emerald for. This is no more your business than it is his, it's obvious you don't likr Emerald, but rag onhim for acting the same. Double standards fail.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Keranu on April 24, 2010, 10:01:36 AM
I can say in all honesty that the majority of the game is and has been done. Some people may have a really hard time grasping the idea that people in the development team are in real life crises, but that is ultimately the reason why MSR hasn't been released yet. Don't believe me? Look at The Old Rover and Black_Tiger's post history. Notice how posts have been few and far between? From what they've been able to tell us in their free time, they are both going through really hard shit right now. Both of them are honest people so just because they aren't able to respond to something immediately is no reason to discredit them. I'm sure we've all been in situations where we need to do something but can't because of something more important getting in the way.
Now here's some good news for you all. Black_Tiger, as far as I know, is done drawing (and I think even digitally painting) all the cinemas. He posted his work recently on the private Frozen Utopia forum and it's phenomenal. The only thing left that needs to be done on his part are the final touches, which I assume includes various design touch ups, color reduction, and some color swapping and anti-aliasing. Nod has told us he is finally settling down in his new home and will be back on a coding binge to try and wrap all of this up. The best part about all of this is that when one member starts working hard it motivates the entire group to work hard as well. The remainder of MSR may be in Nod and BT's hands, but the rest of us are making progess on other projects in the mean time. ;)
The state that Mysterious Song has been in since last fall is a product that's essentially something we could've released back in 2005 with what we had planned back then. Beta testers can (and well, have :P) pop the game in and play it from beginning to end with relatively few minor bugs. The catch is that there are no cinemas and not all the hidden content we have planned; things that weren't intended to be included in 2005. I can gaurantee that MSR will be released, it's just way too far along to be cancelled now. If some people want to be sour about it, that's fine. But to those that have been patiently waiting, we thank you and we ask that you keep hanging in there with us.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 24, 2010, 10:13:50 AM
Response to Arkhan deleted ---
Thank you for the update, Keranu.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: RoyVegas on April 24, 2010, 10:56:36 AM
Thanks for the update Keranu.
At times I tend to wonder what stage of finishing the game is in (as I have pre-ordered it long ago). I do realize that things happen all the time that can take people away from the project and that's totally understandable. What kind of sucks is just the fact that those of us who have sent our money in, don't really get updated with what's going on. I do have faith that it will not only be finished but be totally badass. I guess my only request would be that ANYONE at all involved in the project just throw us a little update here and there. I don't want an estimated completion date (as shit can happen to throw that off), what I would prefer would be just a little info on the progress.
Once again thank you for the update that you just posted. It's appreciated.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Like you white knighting for Rover. Shouldn't HE be dealing with this...he has logged on not that long ago (4/18).
Ironic..what business of yours is it? You KEEP getting involved..whats good for the goose...
It's funny you are doing EXACTLY the same things you're jumping on Emerald for. This is no more your business than it is his,
The thing of it is, it is just as much my business as it is Frozen Utopia's. Us PCE devvers stick together and back each other up. You always seem to complain and speak out when this occurs. I frequent the forums muuuuch more than the rest of Frozen Utopia does, so rather than sit back and let the shit fly unchecked, I would rather step in and help settle things. Why should someone who is letting personal grudges influence things get to spew crap unchecked?
You don't step in to say anything about that or the other petty jabs that are peppered across the forum, but you step in to tell me I'm being a hypocrite? Gimme a break.
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it's obvious you don't likr Emerald, but rag onhim for acting the same. Double standards fail.
I don't have a problem with Emerald. Despite what you may think....So, what was that about fail? :)
I just don't dig on people letting personal opinions towards one person fuel their actions towards a bigger picture.
So, spare me your typical insight. It ain't doing much.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
The thing of it is, it is just as much my business as it is Frozen Utopia's. Us PCE devvers stick together and back each other up.
So, spare me your typical insight. It ain't doing much.
Regardless you aren't part of FU, yet you feel the need to be their "mouthpiece" but can condemn others that it's "none of their business." Yep that IS fail. It is no more your business than Emerald or anyone else's.
Funny I've seen Rover on not that long ago, Keranu has posted, PD has posted, hell Black Tiger has been on a few times. They seem to be on more than enough to take of THEIR business/speak for themselves. As Roy stated updates, you know communicating with people that sent $ for a game, yet get almost no updates seems to be a bad thing eh? You would think there would be more direct action/someone alerting Rover, etc than what amounts to basically excuses. We all know that "life" gets in the way/shit happens. Five minutes to post updates is hardly that taxing.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
Regardless you aren't part of FU, yet you feel the need to be their "mouthpiece" but can condemn others that it's "none of their business." Yep that IS fail. It is no more your business than Emerald or anyone else's.
Not being part of FU doesn't change the fact I'm in contact with the crew every day, talking about stuff and keeping present about things. It's not like were all secret covert groups that don't chat/share things daily.
Its not really condemning someone when you point out that they're nosing into other peoples business for personal reasons. besides, I am not the only one who thinks Emerald needs to take his grudge elsewhere. You should stop focusing on declaring fail, and start focusing on the actual point here, unless you're cool with grudge filled instigation on the forum. Drama's always fun amirite?
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Funny I've seen Rover on not that long ago, Keranu has posted, PD has posted, hell Black Tiger has been on a few times. They seem to be on more than enough to take of THEIR business/speak for themselves. As Roy stated updates, you know communicating with people that sent $ for a game, yet get almost no updates seems to be a bad thing eh? You would think there would be more direct action/someone alerting Rover, etc than what amounts to basically excuses. We all know that "life" gets in the way/shit happens. Five minutes to post updates is hardly that taxing.
Well, it's common knowledge Keranu doesn't post here often. Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update. Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down. Who do you think gave them the heads up.
From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.
so........ I think everyone, me included, now needs to stfu about it and do something else. Unless they have something upbeat and positive to say.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 03:29:51 PM
Its not really condemning someone when you point out that they're nosing into other peoples business for personal reasons.
Drama's always fun amirite?
Well, it's common knowledge Keranu doesn't post here often. Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update. Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down. Who do you think gave them the heads up.
so........ I think everyone, me included, now needs to stfu about it and do something else. Unless they have something upbeat and positive to say.
Funny as Emerald is far from the only one that has mentioned the same concerns. He just seems to have the balls to voice them.
You admit to liking forum drama, you tell me.
Other members of the team are logged on regularly weather they post or not (and before these posts started). They are on, so no hurting your arm patting yourself on the back that you gave them the "heads up." MAYBE if things would be checked on in a "quasi professional" manner stuff like this wouldn't pop up ya think?
As for that last part..the hippy hall monitor kumbayah crap is old man. How many times you gonna pull the STFU, blah blah only positive crap. That's not the way it's gonna be all the time, deal with it. If people can't take criticism (weather you feel it's right/warranted/whatever) that's just sad.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on April 24, 2010, 03:36:44 PM
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Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update. Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down. Who do you think gave them the heads up.
From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.
I haven't actually seen any indication that pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, but if he is, that's great. I'm willing to assume that since Keranu stepped up with an update, that someone will privately contact pepe.
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I frequent the forums muuuuch more than the rest of Frozen Utopia does, so rather than sit back and let the shit fly unchecked, I would rather step in and help settle things. Why should someone who is letting personal grudges influence things get to spew crap unchecked?
Arkhan, I'm going to tell you the difference between your "white-knighting" and mine:
Rover has peoples' money. Therefore, he owes those people updates. He owes them updates that you are incapable of providing, because you are not Rover -- you aren't even part of FrozenUtopia. You may not like the way I go about things, but it gets results and those results inform people. It's a useful outcome.
I, on the other hand, don't owe people anything. "White-knighting" against me is useless.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Keranu on April 24, 2010, 03:53:09 PM
I'm sure Rover will refund anyone who wishes to be refunded. I have never known him to be a scammer of any sort nor has he ever mentioned any intention of sort. He's just as inactive on the private Frozen Utopia forum as he is here or anywhere else; the man is busy. Believe me, the rest of us at Frozen Utopia anxiously await his responses as much as anyone else. Rover was able to take care of that whole prototype transaction dilemma awhile back, it just took him awhile because of his lack of time. If Rover wanted to steal your money, then I'm sure he wouldn't have started developing a game only to start some pre-order scam hype five years later for the TG16 of all systems. He didn't just close down the pre-order option for nothing, you know.
Anyone seeking a refund, please remain patient. Rover will come around eventually.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 03:54:34 PM
Funny as Emerald is far from the only one that has mentioned the same concerns. He just seems to have the balls to voice them.
Nah the thing of it is, the other people who voice concern either keep it private, or when they take it public, they don't let their "OMG I HATE ROVER" part interfere. Your lack of response to the matter only makes me think you're cool with hate fueled negativity.
If someones curious/concerned about the status of things, it doesn't hurt to ASK. It does hurt to instigate problems. That shit leads nowhere good and accomplishes nothing.
Quasi Professional means it resembles, but ISN'T professional, no matter how much we would all like to think it is.. This, and all homebrew for dead consoles, is hobbyist stuff. its done in spare time. Noones getting paid top dollar to invest all this time into the project. If real life demands something else, thats the nature of the beast. Anyone supporting homebrew needs to understand this. None of these projects are paying our bills, or keeping us afloat. If the things that DO keep us afloat and maintain our wellbeing experience problems, those take priority. Real life is always more important.... I think anyone can agree to that?
And for that matter, there was an update on FU's site about the delays already, over a month ago. Spells EVERYTHING out. So what is the actual problem? Noones actually really left in the dark. There are more places to get your PCE updates than this forum. So, Emerald Rocker, I don't think you being a jerk because you don't like Rover is producing anything in the way of results.
and like I said, it doesnt take much to ask one of the many members who are logged on. Shoot em a PM, or make a post. Hell that's what pepe did before this all went south. Im sure without your white knightin', things would have been solved just fine anyways. So what kind of result did YOU bring?
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As for that last part..the hippy hall monitor kumbayah crap is old man. How many times you gonna pull the STFU, blah blah only positive crap. That's not the way it's gonna be all the time, deal with it. If people can't take criticism (weather you feel it's right/warranted/whatever) that's just sad.
Negative isnt all bad. I just think we've got enough of it for now. It doesn't seem to be needed anymore.
however, being negative because you don't like someone is never warranted. That kind of criticism is BS.
If you dont like the kumbayah lets try to be positive crap and would rather keep this crap up, then I think THAT is what's sad.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
"Your lack of response to the matter only makes me think you're cool with hate fueled negativity."
Keep assuming. Hey a few peeps around here disliked Mike Helgeson for the way he "took care of things" but wow they seemed more effective than most no?
"You keep quoting quasi professional. Do you know what it means? It means it resembles, but ISN'T professional, no matter how much we would all like to think it is.."
Yes I know what it means. Yet you're using it to try and make it seem MORE professional than some backalley crap shack.
"And for that matter, there was an update on FU's site about the delays already, over a month ago. Spells EVERYTHING out. So what is the actual problem? Noones actually really left in the dark. There are more places to get your PCE updates than this forum."
Well to be frank $ was solicited here, the update should been put here first. People were only directed toward FU AFTER the fact (update was posted 3/3 on FU, the 3/9 here...only AFTER Emerald posting asking about it). If 'time is so limited" wouldn't it have made more sense to copy/paste that here as well (where I'd wager a majority of the preorders came from) at the same time..that would take what an extra 2-3 minutes tops.
"If you dont like the kumbayah lets try to be positive crap and would rather keep this crap up, then I think THAT is what's sad."
Nah when it's overdone it gets pathetic. Anytime criticism surfaces, escpecially homebrew you (and mainly you) get all worked up. Being a a person involved in homebrew doesn't mean you're above reproach/criticism. If you can't take negative comments, you obviously need a thicker skin.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 04:16:30 PM
Keep assuming. Hey a few peeps around here disliked Mike Helgeson for the way he "took care of things" but wow they seemed more effective than most no?
What's effective about ragging on other members? All that leads to is people losing interest, leaving, etc. Mikes not exactly here any more :D. I think raggin' on members has caused more loss than gain, yeah?
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Yes I know what it means. Yet you're using it to try and make it seem MORE professional than some backalley crap shack.
Back alley crap shack? is that what you think this project is? I'm not trying to do anything. It resembles a pro-development setup. Site, forum, projects, updates, crew and all. But in reality is a bunch of hobbyists putting out a game for a console they particularly fancy. That is how all homebrews are. It's always quasi-professional. Every project, every group, every time.
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Well to be frank $ was solicited here, the update should been put here first. People were only directed toward FU AFTER the fact (update was posted 3/3 on FU, the 3/9 here...only AFTER Emerald posting asking about it).
Well to be frank, if someone gives 30$ to someone and can't be arsed to check THEIR SITE for updates, thats their problem. If you're savvy enough to complain about it on a forum you should be savvy enough to type www.frozenutopia.com (http://www.frozenutopia.com/) in the address bar, click go, and read the first thing on the site.
I get worked up when people criticize homebrew, because most of the time it's out of ignorance. Homebrew is often a thankless art. People don't understand how demanding it is to make these games, so it really sucks to have people sitting back and poking fun and jabbing. Especially for reasons like "I dont like that person".
That isn't even criticism. Thats just being petty.
So excuse me for getting worked up when theres negative criticism, or just outright trolling. Maybe when you put in hours and hours of work for a PCE homebrew, and then see people sitting back taking little jabs, you will see what the problem is.
Doing that indirectly spits on everyone involved.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 04:27:36 PM
"What's effective about ragging on other members? All that leads to is people losing interest, leaving, etc. Mikes not exactly here any more Very Happy. I think raggin' on members has caused more loss than gain, yeah?"
Ask ceti about his Duo woes, or the various scammers that have been run off, and get back to me.
"Back alley crap shack? is that what you think this project is?"
Now your just reaching. I didn't call it that..you read what you want to eh? I am stating that you are OVERUSING the quasi part. Everything you listed can be done by a lot of people that have the skills, hardly denotes profesional (quasi or otherwise). You yourself just nailed it on the head...HOBBYISTS (even others have brought up the meager amounts of updates on their page/forum..quasi what again?).
"Well to be frank, if someone gives 30$ to someone and can't be arsed to check THEIR SITE for updates, thats their problem. If you're savvy enough to complain about it on a forum you should be savvy enough to type www.frozenutopia.com (http://www.frozenutopia.com/) in the address bar, click go, and read the first thing on the site."
Well when this was one of the MAIN avenues for info/$ taking ...common sense would dictate that updates should be done here as well. Hell many peeps here have never been to/heard of the FU site..so that's their fault if the ordered thru here and were getting most of their info about the game from how many diff threads here for how many years they should be ignored?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
Read post one of this thread, and get back to me.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 04:42:48 PM
Keep avoiding it man. It's everyone else's problem to expect communication. Tracking down an MIA person isn't their responsibilty.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2010, 05:14:01 PM
avoiding what? You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com (http://www.frozenutopia.com/) . That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.
you had to go to the site IN ORDER TO PREORDER IT.
Everyone who pre-ordered is fully aware of the site, and is capable of going there to check for updates and contact info.
One person seems to have had communication issues regarding refund emails. Im sure it will get straightened out. You act like its some ancient chinese riddle, and that we are all doomed. Internet Armageddon is upon as all.
You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc.
That is precisely what pepe was working on doing before Emerald chimed in with yet another "I dont like Rover" jab. The results of that are in, and they weren't productive. Prior to that though, things seemed to be getting along fine.
:D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on April 24, 2010, 05:17:59 PM
avoiding what? You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com (http://www.frozenutopia.com/) . That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.
you had to go to the site IN ORDER TO PREORDER IT.
Everyone who pre-ordered is fully aware of the site, and is capable of going there to check for updates and contact info.
One person seems to have had communication issues regarding refund emails. Im sure it will get straightened out. You act like its some ancient chinese riddle, and that we are all doomed. Internet Armageddon is upon as all.
You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc.
That is precisely what pepe was working on doing before Emerald chimed in with yet another "I dont like Rover" jab. The results of that are in, and they weren't productive. Prior to that though, things seemed to be getting along fine.
:D
Well we def know you know how to be an overdramatic drama queen eh?
avoiding what? You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com (http://www.frozenutopia.com/) . That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.
No I didn't preorder I have over 300+ PCE/TG games to play much less wait on another one with no clear timetable.
"You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc."
Yeah you know if the email actually works, or is answered in a timely manner (read professional customer service). They shouldn't have to trak down info like it's a hunt. Seems to be the situation right now.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nat on April 24, 2010, 09:24:47 PM
This has gotten out of hand. Emerald Rocker brought up a valid concern, regardless of his personal feelings about The Old Rover. At this stage I'm going to give involved parties the benefit of the doubt and believe they are handling peperocket's request in a proper manner.
On the other hand, this discussion has deteriorated to petty argument between two parties (you know who you are) who don't even have the slightest thing to do with the situation. Further posts on the subject will be deleted and/or the thread locked.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: esteban on April 25, 2010, 01:36:14 AM
Peace, love and harmony.
That is all I ask of our troubled little PCE community.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: peperocket on April 25, 2010, 09:03:29 AM
Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update. Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down. Who do you think gave them the heads up.
From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.
I haven't actually seen any indication that pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, but if he is, that's great. I'm willing to assume that since Keranu stepped up with an update, that someone will privately contact pepe.
Sure, I'm always waiting a solution about that because no real answer or refund at this time !
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Keranu on April 25, 2010, 10:16:08 AM
Nod hasn't posted on the Frozen Utopia staff board in awhile. Please remain patient, peperocket, I know he will refund you soon enough.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: peperocket on April 25, 2010, 11:55:42 AM
Thank you for your answer.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on April 26, 2010, 05:07:13 AM
Holy shit, I come back to the forum and it's exploded like this...pages upon pages of arguments.
Peperocket, I got your PM just now...I didn't get an email notification so I didn't know you had sent me a PM. I have not been here in quite some time. I will get your refund to you as soon as possible. We've been having a LOT of problems with both Paypal and eBay, so the original account had to be closed and the money transferred elsewhere. We're hoping for a resolution by Wednesday but in the meantime, we're pretty much f*cked thanks to their ineptness. And this isn't the first time they've tried to f*ck us either. Regardless, I can send it via a different method if you wish.
Someone mentioned in this thread that I'd been on on the 18th...sorry, I wasn't here on that day. My wife, however, occasionally visits this forum on my account, so she was probably here in the last couple of weeks.
In any event, today is my first day back on duty at FU. There's a lot of catching-up to do, so I'm going to mostly be over at the FU forum as well as on IRC. If anyone needs to reach me right away, I'm going to be on efnet #frozenutopia and #utopiasoft for awhile, as well as freenode #palib.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: peperocket on April 26, 2010, 06:48:57 AM
No problem I can wait. Refund me when you've resolved the paypal problem.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on April 26, 2010, 12:29:18 PM
It's been suggested that we do some video previews of the game. I am going to work on this, and I will post a few on youtube soon. I don't have the best setup for it, and I don't have real hardware to test with, so I will be using mednafen together with camstudio. It should give fairly decent results, but we'll see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: RoyVegas on April 26, 2010, 12:36:59 PM
Rover, what is the name of the youtube account you'll be posting the video's on?
Don't know yet...I might just use my Eponasoft channel but then again, it might be better to use a new one for Frozen Utopia.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: TheOldMan on April 27, 2010, 04:49:18 AM
Rover, save yourself some trouble; use ootake for the videos. Not that I prefer one emulator over another (I really don't), but ootake lets you save the keystrokes while playing; that way you don't have to waste a lot of time trying again and again to get a good capture of the neat stuff you want to show off. You can just tell ootake to re-play the saved game, and tweak capture settings until you are content.
Arkhan played insanity dozens of times trying to get the sequences he wanted for his you-tube videos. Would have been easier (and quicker) to get the right run-though and play it back...
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on April 27, 2010, 05:08:02 AM
It's an RPG, not an action game, so capturing the right video isn't going to be difficult. :) Plus I can't really figure out ootake...does it support isos? If not, then it's useless to me. We've used mednafen for ages because of its high accuracy level and built-in support for cuesheets.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 27, 2010, 05:48:30 AM
Ootake is a bit more happy as far as ISOs actually.
You don't even NEED a cuesheet. You can just mount an ISO in daemontools and itll think its a real CD.
The cuesheet is needed however, if you want to have your background redbook audio playing, lol.
so you would mount the cuesheet instead of the iso I suppose.
But yeah it lets you record a video while you are playing. Granted it is a emulator video, so you have to replay it IN the emulator and it'll repeat what you did.
It works out pretty nice. You can also do a wav dump of the PSG, but that may not help you too much. :)
For what it's worth, Ootake is pretty accurate too. Sound wise you'll barely notice PSG differences, and play-wise, I've yet to notice anything weird in Ootake!
No luck on the rerecording of mednafen?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on April 27, 2010, 06:13:54 AM
I just haven't gotten to it yet. Mednafen doesn't record video files I can make use of and, apparently, neither does ootake. Oh well. :( But regardless, I have a way of making videos already, so no worries. :D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on April 27, 2010, 06:24:15 AM
man, I should find out how people were making youtube videos with mednafen lol
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Post by: TheOldMan on April 27, 2010, 08:04:06 AM
Wasn't actually thinking about doing the captures with ootake - I didn't even know you could. But you're gonna get real tired of doing the same thing over and over to show off the game; that's where ootakes keystroke capture/playback helps. Yeah, ootake supports isos - we use it and medafen to make sure code works on both emulators. In general, ootake -is- more accurate, but that's just my opinion. (quite honestly, neither of them gets the vsyncs quite right) Figured you were doing some kind of screen capture/video capture for the video. So long as you don't get stuck re-playing the game over and over to get just the right compression :-)
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Post by: nodtveidt on April 27, 2010, 08:11:16 AM
Nah, I already got it down, it's all good. :) But trust me...I got real tired of doing the same thing over and over again just to TEST the game during development...running it a few times for some videos is gonna be a walk in the park. :D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on May 05, 2010, 04:49:52 AM
Mysterious Song will be on demo at the CCAG this weekend, courtesy of Arkhan. Also, we may have a second game on demo there as well. :)
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Post by: hcf on May 05, 2010, 07:42:10 AM
I just haven't gotten to it yet. Mednafen doesn't record video files I can make use of and, apparently, neither does ootake. Oh well. :( But regardless, I have a way of making videos already, so no worries. :D
If you finally are not able to record videos from ootake or mednafen, I have tested some free Windows programs that record all that happens in a window that you select. So, playing with Mednafen to your game and selecting this window, maybe is an easy way to record that video. If you are interested let me know and I will search which programs I used (it was months ago, so I must search a bit in the hard disk of my office, but I hope to find them quickly).
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Post by: nodtveidt on May 05, 2010, 08:08:58 AM
That's what I'm doing already. :)
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Post by: touko on May 05, 2010, 08:14:59 AM
Eh hcf, i'am interested by your program .. 8)
If you remember his name ..
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Post by: hcf on May 05, 2010, 08:27:16 PM
Well, I see that I tested lots of programs to do this, and I remember that some of them recorded all your screen, and the other programs recorded one Window (or area) that you selected, but I don't remember exactly which program makes what.
In any case, I will tell you the names of the best programs that I found. I liked "oRipa Video Recorder" very much and it's free (although maybe it records all the screen instead of a single window, I don't remember...). Finally I chose that one, but my work was related to record all the screen, so I don't know if it can be usefull for us now.
I liked "BSR Screen Recorder" too, although this was not free (I am sure that this one can select an area in the screen to record). Maybe you can try these programs :)
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Post by: touko on May 05, 2010, 09:10:22 PM
Gracias man :wink:
I'll try "oRipa Video Recorder" . Aaaaaarhg, this program is free,but it has 60 seconds recording time limited :(
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Post by: hcf on May 05, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
I'll try "oRipa Video Recorder" . Aaaaaarhg, this program is free,but it has 60 seconds recording time limited :(
Oh, sooooorry!! :( Yes, the trial version is limited to 60 seconds and also it draws a watermark in the video. The full version (not free) does not have these limits. I forgot about that, I used this months ago in my job. Sorry!!
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Post by: touko on May 05, 2010, 10:32:20 PM
Oh, sooooorry!! :( Yes, the trial version is limited to 60 seconds and also it draws a watermark in the video. The full version (not free) does not have these limits. I forgot about that, I used this months ago in my job. Sorry!!
No problems, i'll try to find another one :wink:..
Make a video with ootake or mednafen is easy, but how to make a classic video format ??
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Post by: nodtveidt on May 06, 2010, 06:10:41 AM
I'm using camstudio. It's free and it doesn't have any watermarks unless you add one yourself.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 06, 2010, 08:27:32 AM
I use hypercam
but I happened to have a registered copy my dads friend gave me, since he didnt want it anymore.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: lord_cack on May 12, 2010, 01:30:05 PM
Ok, this is as good a place as any for this update.
We at Frozen Utopia thought it would be a great idea if we could provide a nice place to get information about upcoming releases, release dates, and various other bits of information pertaining to Frozen Utopia. So we created the Frozen Utopia Facebook Page:
Its pretty bare at the moment. But we have somethings planned to post, along with just general information that will be posted there. So everyone with a Facebook page (or who is willing to create one), come over and join.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on May 13, 2010, 05:50:51 AM
What is Jungle Bros?
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Post by: Arjak on May 13, 2010, 09:58:27 AM
I have joined your facebook. I can't wait to find out what kind of game Jungle Bros. is! :)
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Post by: Arkhan on May 13, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
its an epic epic of epic proportions.
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Post by: nodtveidt on May 13, 2010, 08:18:29 PM
Jungle Bros is our next game in line after Mysterious Song. And no, it's not the reason MSR has been delayed. :) It is lord cack's game so I'll let him give the details if he so chooses to do so.
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Post by: lord_cack on May 13, 2010, 10:48:21 PM
I'm just a tease :lol:
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on May 13, 2010, 11:55:08 PM
Soon, give me some time and you guys can read what its about and see alittle bit of it too. No date as you yet, but design for the Demo is being completed. It all comes down to time.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Necromancer on May 14, 2010, 04:12:09 AM
Soon, give me some time and you guys can read what its about and see a little bit of it too. No date as you yet, but design for the Demo is being completed. It all comes down to time.
Woo-hoo! I'm anxiously awaiting the news, but a word of advice: save yourself the headache by never setting an exact date. Life invariably will intervene and things will get delayed, then you'll have to listen to people piss and moan that you missed an arbitrary deadline.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on May 14, 2010, 06:16:27 AM
Woo-hoo! I'm anxiously awaiting the news, but a word of advice: save yourself the headache by never setting an exact date. Life invariably will intervene and things will get delayed, then you'll have to listen to people piss and moan that you missed an arbitrary deadline.
My bets are that some people will piss and moan either way.
Also, the preliminary demo I fiddled with was pretty cool. So, it can only get sweeter. :D
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Necromancer on May 14, 2010, 06:17:35 AM
Just say it will be released in 2054 then everyone will get a nice surprise when it's early!
:D December 22, 2012.... #-o
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on May 15, 2010, 11:37:22 AM
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well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information
Usually, yes. That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning. I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now. Thank you for agreeing with me. I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).
Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then. Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on May 15, 2010, 01:54:23 PM
Usually, yes. That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning. I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now. Thank you for agreeing with me. I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).
But... they weren't silent. lol. An update answering the question was right there in the open. I think people just forgot to check the site. People forget to check sites when they are used to foruming.
Either way, let the people who actually paid money piss and moan about it. :)
But, yes, since the recent debacle... there is another way to get updates now too, on facebook. Everyone loves facebook. Theres farmville, mafia wars, and now Frozen Utopia. :)
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Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then. Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!
Nice. Obvious troll is obvious. :D
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Post by: Emerald Rocker on May 15, 2010, 02:17:14 PM
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An update answering the question was right there in the open.
Except it wasn't. Not until after I pressed for information. Their site had not been updated in months, and it was only updated after I "pissed and moaned". Listen, I understand that FrozenUtopia are your friends, but that doesn't mean they are always right. You're not doing them any favors by provoking me with subtle jabs.
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Either way, let the people who actually paid money piss and moan about it.
That is exactly what happened. Again, it's best for you to let this drop. I have no incentive to let sleeping dogs lie, but you do.
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Obvious troll is obvious.
Uh... not really sure how to reply to this. Internet posts are on the internet? English text is in English? Human beings are human beings? Copycats who can't come up with their own stuff think they are talented?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: lord_cack on May 15, 2010, 02:17:42 PM
well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information
Usually, yes. That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning. I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now. Thank you for agreeing with me. I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).
Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then. Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!
well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information
Usually, yes. That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning. I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now. Thank you for agreeing with me. I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).
Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then. Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!
I'm gonna make this comment and then try my best to not react and be dragged into anymore of your unproductive and community souring banter. Months ago, you mentioning a game that I KNOW FOR A FACT had NEVER been mentioned in an open forum, ONLY in Frozen Utopia's PRIVATE DEVELOPERS FORUM, well thats beyond UNCOOL. Uncool completely. You disrespect the people involved and most of all you disrespected me.
You know nothing about me and what I do. But, I will let you know that Jungle Bros. is MY creation and represents a large chunk of my time over the past 3 years. You had absolutely no right to mention it and I honestly don't know who you think you are. You can say what you want about having "heard it mentioned on these forums or in shout box". I know thats not true. I just thought people should know because you seem to want to point out when someone else is being "shady".
You sir are absolutely entitled to your opinions on things, but you crossed a line and everyone should know it....
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Post by: Emerald Rocker on May 15, 2010, 02:21:15 PM
Uh, I was talking about Mysterious Song.
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Post by: lord_cack on May 15, 2010, 02:28:34 PM
You're not doing them any favors by provoking me with subtle jabs.
Subtle jabs! Your endearing specialty :). Though, I think enough people are hip to your trolling that it isn't subtle anymore, lol. Didn't you openly admit at one time that your days as a "helpful contributer" are gone, or something like that?
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That is exactly what happened. Again, it's best for you to let this drop. I have no incentive to let sleeping dogs lie, but you do.
Not exactly. You didn't pre-order, right? So why get involved by making Emerald Rocker Subtle JabsTM? Practice what you preach.
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Uh... not really sure how to reply to this. Internet posts are on the internet? English text is in English? Human beings are human beings? Copycats who can't come up with their own stuff think they are talented?
What I am saying is, if you are going to be a jerk and hate on homebrew for whatever reason, keep it to your own forum/shoutbox, or little circle of friends, man. The upbeat community at large doesn't need any rain on any parades, even if a project is delayed, problems arise, or the game turns out kinda crappy... It's still keeping a dead system alive, right :) ?
That goes for everybody though. Not just you. No one has any place to hate on homebrew efforts and the people involved until they themselves have seen what it's like to do it.
btw, have you started your Octology? 8)
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Emerald Rocker on May 15, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
lord_cack: So? I could say more (and did, but deleted it). I explained that to you in PM when you asked, months ago. I think I heard about it in the forum or on shoutbox (which I doubt you monitor 24/7). If you were that upset about it, you could have said so before now. After you contacted me and said it was secret, I never mentioned it again. I wasn't trying to steal your thunder... and more importantly, I didn't.
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Post by: Emerald Rocker on May 15, 2010, 03:05:47 PM
Arkhan: My days as a helpful contributor are far from over. But anyways. I'm not interested in discussing Mysterious Song anymore than I already have -- it's getting boring, to be honest -- but there's a particular point I've heard before (from others, not just you) that I want to respond to.
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No one has any place to hate on homebrew efforts and the people involved until they themselves have seen what it's like to do it.
Wrong. People are allowed to say "I didn't like this song" even if they never played in a band themselves. People are allowed to judge novels without writing one. People are allowed to say "I won't buy Itagaki's games because he is a womanizing bastard" -- they don't have to work for Tecmo themselves to have an informed opinion. Audiences often have clearer opinions than the creators.
And besides, you've got no idea what I have or haven't done. I don't talk about such things because they aren't relevant.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 15, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
Arkhan: My days as a helpful contributor are far from over.
Good! We need moar positive stuff. Negative nonsense is better suited elsewhere.
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But anyways. I'm not interested in discussing Mysterious Song anymore than I already have -- it's getting boring,
Good also :D. Great even!
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Wrong. People are allowed to say "I didn't like this song" even if they never played in a band themselves. People are allowed to judge novels without writing one. People are allowed to say "I won't buy Itagaki's games because he is a womanizing bastard" -- they don't have to work for Tecmo themselves to have an informed opinion. Audiences often have clearer opinions than the creators.
Well, wait for the game to come out before you bad mouth it then. :D. Doing so before hand just puts everyone in a pissy mood and makes people lose interest in working.
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And besides, you've got no idea what I have or haven't done. I don't talk about such things because they aren't relevant.
Whether you did/didn't preorder a game is relevant to complaining about the preordering process of the game, isn't it? (I think it is at least) :D Otherwise you could be complaining for a party you aren't involved in. I hope you pre-ordered though! Everyone should pre-order. It's good stuff.
The game itself, and the supporting homebrew part too. :)
Did you see the video footage of the game that I poorly recorded?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on May 17, 2010, 08:22:39 AM
I've got a few words to say on this whole thing.
People have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want about whatever they want. Frozen Utopia has overcome every hardship thrown our way thus far, and we have already demonstrated that we are serious. Yes, our game is delayed, but yes, it WILL be released. And of course, yes, I know of a certain clique around these parts that is going to be very quick in insulting it, degrading it, completely missing all of the good parts, derogatorily comparing it to other games on other consoles, etc etc etc. But that's just how it works. The fact that so many people put forth their money to reserve a copy of our game is a voice far louder than a single dissident. The more that dissident insults us, the more we work to prove it wrong, which has the side-effect of producing better games for people who actually like to play them. The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS. The more they think that they're getting away with having a two-faced rat among our ranks, the more ammunition it gives us. And even though I know that it matters not how good our work is, the dissident will always be quick to insult and degrade it, so that voice became stale long ago. That stale voice still drives me to prove it wrong though, even if I know that it can never be proven wrong because it is prejudiced for reasons unknown.
We're having a problem with PayPal still. They have been refusing to hear the case, so I have been forced to hire an attorney to get them to wise up and fix the issue we currently have with them. As it stands right now, all of the money is locked up in PayPal's system and they refuse to release it, so I cannot fulfill refunds, take new orders, or even afford the pressing at the moment. Until they release the funds, our hands are tied on this matter. Of course, I'm sure a certain someone in the clique will have a grand time with this one. And to that person, I offer my middle finger, raised in salute.
Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.
And one final note, and this is especially for the clique who still seems to be confused...we opted to charge for a real copy of the game because this is what the majority asked for. Whether or not you did is irrelevant. If people had not wanted a real pressed copy, we would have skipped it and simply released the game in bin/cue format when it was completed. And now, since you are so obsessed with reading what I've said in the past, go ahead and look into the past for the posts that prove it. Feel free to apply your usual form of misinterpretations, red herrings, and prejudices to the mix, because now, we all expect it.
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Post by: Senshi on May 17, 2010, 09:22:06 AM
Rover that really sucks. I'm not sure if you can tell me but why would paypal freeze the funds? What is their reason?
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Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.
No Neutopia III? *sniff* :cry:
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on May 17, 2010, 09:27:09 AM
Neutopia III isn't an RPG, it's an action adventure game. No worries. :D
PayPal won't tell us why. All I get is the runaround...I send an email and I get a response five days later, telling me that they're "looking into it". They've been "looking into it" for a couple of months now. It may have to do with a transaction they totally f*cked up a few months back on eBay, but I have no way to know for sure until they get off their ass and fix it.
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Post by: Arm on May 17, 2010, 10:49:13 AM
So there won't be an Epic RPG on 3 discs, after all ? :wink: Concerning Mysterious Song, do you think the french translation will also be included into the game ?
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on May 17, 2010, 11:10:18 AM
Yes, the French translation will indeed be in the game. It hasn't been added yet since the bonus material isn't 100% finished (90% done and rising) but it'll be in there.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: TheClash603 on May 17, 2010, 11:13:48 AM
Due to the Paypal issue that is currently happening, resulting in lack of funds, have you considered pre-orders round 2? I have seen enough progress to make me feel confident a pre-order would result in a great product sooner or later.
I don't know if you have finished the pre-order bonuses, but if you were to do an extra 25 or so, then maybe you'd have enough money for an attorney or pressing? Just an idea, let me know!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arm on May 17, 2010, 11:24:30 AM
I see. Please let me know when the final strings of text are available for translation.
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Post by: nodtveidt on May 17, 2010, 11:46:25 AM
Yeah Arm, I'll give you the text as soon as it's ready. :)
Clash, I've considered re-opening the pre-orders, but I would have to either set up a new acct for it or use my wife's acct. Also, the bonus item has tentatively changed, so there is a high chance of the offer being extended to at least 100 orders.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arjak on May 17, 2010, 12:53:09 PM
People have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want about whatever they want. Frozen Utopia has overcome every hardship thrown our way thus far, and we have already demonstrated that we are serious. Yes, our game is delayed, but yes, it WILL be released. And of course, yes, I know of a certain clique around these parts that is going to be very quick in insulting it, degrading it, completely missing all of the good parts, derogatorily comparing it to other games on other consoles, etc etc etc. But that's just how it works. The fact that so many people put forth their money to reserve a copy of our game is a voice far louder than a single dissident. The more that dissident insults us, the more we work to prove it wrong, which has the side-effect of producing better games for people who actually like to play them. The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS. The more they think that they're getting away with having a two-faced rat among our ranks, the more ammunition it gives us. And even though I know that it matters not how good our work is, the dissident will always be quick to insult and degrade it, so that voice became stale long ago. That stale voice still drives me to prove it wrong though, even if I know that it can never be proven wrong because it is prejudiced for reasons unknown.
We're having a problem with PayPal still. They have been refusing to hear the case, so I have been forced to hire an attorney to get them to wise up and fix the issue we currently have with them. As it stands right now, all of the money is locked up in PayPal's system and they refuse to release it, so I cannot fulfill refunds, take new orders, or even afford the pressing at the moment. Until they release the funds, our hands are tied on this matter. Of course, I'm sure a certain someone in the clique will have a grand time with this one. And to that person, I offer my middle finger, raised in salute.
Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.
And one final note, and this is especially for the clique who still seems to be confused...we opted to charge for a real copy of the game because this is what the majority asked for. Whether or not you did is irrelevant. If people had not wanted a real pressed copy, we would have skipped it and simply released the game in bin/cue format when it was completed. And now, since you are so obsessed with reading what I've said in the past, go ahead and look into the past for the posts that prove it. Feel free to apply your usual form of misinterpretations, red herrings, and prejudices to the mix, because now, we all expect it.
You know, sometimes I just want to tell these guys how I feel about them and how they are being such a-holes, but then I realize that they enjoy such anger, and that they'll probably just quote my post, sentence by sentence, and tear each one to shreds, nitpicking each argument and telling everyone why I'm a idiot because I was 99% accurate about them instead of 100% even though nobody who's sane gives a shit.
It's sad, but there are people out there who like to act like they are so big and bad, thinking they are so much better than everyone else when they aren't half the man or woman that they are insulting.
I especially find it hilarious when these people complain about how a certain homebrewer sucks because they aren't perfectly on schedule, make mistakes, or even just don't like them, even when their games kick ass and are generally a good person, and then refuse to do better, and make a project of similar or higher magnitude without a single problem happening along the way, to prove their own arguments.
If these people are so much better than you, Old Rover, I find it funny that they are unable, or more likely, too lazy to prove it.
When you get your PayPal problems sorted out, I'll definitely put in my pre-order. You know why? Because I respect what you are doing, appreciate how hard it must be, and am thankful for the product I am purchasing from you. See ya then.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on May 17, 2010, 01:32:50 PM
So there won't be an Epic RPG on 3 discs, after all ? :wink: Concerning Mysterious Song, do you think the french translation will also be included into the game ?
I think it's more about that we don't have any plans whatsoever for a traditional RPG. We have plans for other ideas that could be considered Action/RPG's. But, I can't think of any turn based RPG's we have any plans for after this game.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arm on May 17, 2010, 01:52:50 PM
I see. Oh well, the genre in itself (rpg or action rpg) isn't that important to me. What I'm interested in is the mood set by the game and the characters designs. By saying "3 disc" I was rather thinking about the quantity of cutscenes/sounds included into the game. But actually, even one disc could contain loads of cutscenes if the sound is streamed.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Keranu on May 17, 2010, 02:05:35 PM
I'd like to set the record straight concerning Emerald Rocker's subtle jabs and the real behind the scenes at Frozen Utopia.
As far as any of us at Frozen Utopia are concerned and at this current state of development, there is no stolen material in our products. Emerald has been repeating jabs mentioning the Rolling Stones (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=7542.msg138290#msg138290). Yes we did technically have a Rolling Stones song in Mysterious Song, which was in the original PC version as the town song. It's a sped up version of "As The Tears Go By" with different instruments. None of us were even aware of this until Seldane/FM-77 brought it to our attention around the first beta testing phase in Summer 2007. We didn't see a problem with it at the time since it was remixed and not identical. Besides Japanese developers have gotten away many times by "borrowing" material, such as when had a song awfully familar to Robert Miles . Better yet, how about Breath of Fire III track? Ring any bells to a popular SNES RPG before it? :)
The fact is that the original designer, coder, and composer of Mysterious Song was a Stones fan and likely made the song as a tribute. Afterall, he did name the song "Tears" :o . But even if that weren't enough, our main musician Paranoia_Dragon already started working on a new replacement track after we got feedback from Arkhan that a lot of people at CCAG Show (http://www.ccagshow.com/) recognized the Stones reference while demoing the game. This also resulted in us replacing another track that we didn't realize was taken from something else.
Whenever problems like this arrive to our knowledge at Frozen Utopia, we take care of it privately in a mature manner. Emerald_Rocker could've been respectful and brought this to our attention privately, but instead he chose to make a subtle jab about it which provoked arguing.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on May 17, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
I see. Oh well, the genre in itself (rpg or action rpg) isn't that important to me. What I'm interested in is the mood set by the game and the characters designs. By saying "3 disks" I was rather thinking about the quantity of cutscenes/sounds included into the game.
I "think" the possible 3 disc game is one of my projects I started ideas on, & that lord_cack & I have bounced idea's around on, though, it's been awhile since we've worked on that, since it's still quite far away from being in true development. We've got too many other games in the pipeline ahead of it at the moment, but, it might be quite a large game.
Also, Dawn of Ys very directly made a version of an Yngwei Malmsteen song, I think it was called Far Beyond the Sun.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: lord_cack on May 17, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
Either way, I think there are a couple of things for certain, there are people getting there information a little too close to the source. Especially considering they aren't part of the source. Also, the community has, A. wasted enough time with this mudslinging, B.Has been very patient while this sorts itself out, and C.The community is gonna get two (atleast) great (lets be careful here.... great in My opinion) games in the (hopefully near)future. :D
By the way, Level Design for the Demo of Jungle Bros. is almost complete. Now we just need to work out the Game Engine we are ready to roll (no date as of yet....).
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arm on May 17, 2010, 02:26:37 PM
Actually, about the 3 disc game, it was Nodtveidt's project. He told me about it a couple of months ago on another forum.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arkhan on May 17, 2010, 02:40:59 PM
get two (atleast) great (lets be careful here.... great in My opinion) games in the (hopefully near)future. :D
Three if you count Aetherbyte in!
well, more like, uh.. about 8 games since its a compilation disc, lol.
So very true.... I can't wait....
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on May 17, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
PLEASE NOTE THIS NOT INTENDED TO START A FLAME WAR OR 100 POSTS IN RESPONSE. IF YOU CAN'T READ THIS WITH A LEVEL HEAD PLEASE SKIP THIS POST!!
"The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS."
Now see this IMO seems just as "cliquey/L33T" as the people that are "talking shit." This thinking you are Z"better/cooler" becsue you guys are devs is pathetic at best. I have no ill will toward the game, or crew...hell I've known at least most of you for some time. Yet when people come on complaining "people taking jabs", and shit talking by others , and the offended party turns around and does the EXACT SAME THING that's helping fan/reignite the drama/BS that is supposedly loathed, and looked down on. There has been regular shit talking/over dramatization in shout which seems, by more than a few peeps, is being done "just to prove a point"..."rub it in"..."intentionally annoy"...whatever. This isn't just a small select "clique" either, it has been mentioned by a wide variety of people. SO just as that "clique" doesn't hold the voice of the entire community, neither do es the homebrew community, that by various comments seem to look down on those who aren't skilled in coding, etc. There have been comments made about how "this is why people leave the PCE coding community"..etc., etc. Funny one coder left in a large part because of INFIGHTING between coders (which was played off as more for the "shitty attitudes of some of the community" than anything). People can claim that others avoid this site/doing hombrew for PCE because of the attitudes by certain members...those attitudes are also mirrored here. No matter what the criticism has been (even when not "mean/rude/etc") there have been complaints made about it... yet those SAME people can bash other devs work in other communities, and that's seems to be ok.
So in conclusion..the double standards are just as old as the shit talking. Unless people wanna delve into the "they started it" 3rd grade crap this has been a 2 way street for many. There has been shit flinging on both sides..ok for some, not others (mind you some of this has occured before the more recent events..so it''s not all new).
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Arm on May 17, 2010, 02:57:31 PM
Actually, about the 3 disc game, it was Nodtveidt's project. He told me about it a couple of months ago on another forum.
Wrath of Sona?
He didn't tell me the title of the game.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: lord_cack on May 17, 2010, 03:24:31 PM
I know I have plans (in the distant.... DISTANT)future for an action/RPG that would have had 2 Discs. One would be the main story, one would be a side story that the main character could access. Sort of like an entirely new game that had branched off in the middle of the game, then you could return to the main game after you completed the side story. It would be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on May 17, 2010, 06:38:50 PM
nectarsis is right. There has always been a lot of shit flinging from both sides, and honestly, I'm sick of it, both seeing it come my way and sending it from my way. I'm not gonna speak for anyone other than me. I'm all for burying the hatchet...AGAIN...as long as it stays buried this time. There's no real need for it from either side, and really, it just creates a "which side are you on" mentality that helps nobody.
Arm, Keranu is correct on the title, although I'm not sure the game will ever be made as it is quite possibly too complex for our poor little PCE. There might be a way, if I strip out some of the more complex features...but that would probably ruin the game as well. It's a far-future project if it does get done though, so time will tell.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Sinistron on May 18, 2010, 03:41:58 AM
Man. This is completely ridiculous.
Rove man, I gotta say- I love you- but I gotta call it as I see it. It's always been something- since I've been a member here there's been something going on with EBay, Paypal, problems with money, etc. Now you're saying you can't refund anyone. You mentioned you'd refund people on the Frozen Utopia site- said there'd be a refund option on the site-which never showed up (now the main Frozen Utopia site- the one you ran- is gone). Returning people their money was never a priority and don't bullshit us by saying it ever was- I think most of us here have swallowed enough bullshit. It's time for some clarity.
Rove- a LOT of us here have problems we're coping with. Yeah- you've been dealing with a full plate- all the more reason to have NEVER STARTING ACCEPTING PREORDER MONEY to begin with. We've been through this whole shit with Dean already on this site- he had a lot of problems going on- and after a shitstorm, people not receiving their systems back and crap communication and response time- there was an apology to the tune of I-never-should-have-taken-the-work-with-all-that-was-going-on-in-my-life-at-the-moment. and THIS is the song you should be singing. Enough with the excuses. We've ALL got problems. Enough with the mud throwing from this Arkhan idiot who thinks that the "homebrew community" is above reproach. Enough with blaming paypal, blaming life, blaming everything and everyone but yourself. It's way past tired by now.
As far as this "homebrew community" goes that you guys get so uppity about- like this Lord Cack idiot crying that no one has any right to talk about his secret projects, and Arkhan saying that people with valid beefs are "hating" on the "community"- NEWSFLASH: THERE IS NO TURBO HOMEBREW COMMUNITY. Let's be REAL here for a second. What has this highly vaulted homebew community produced- the way it's talked up in such revered tones? A falling bricker with a twist (the bricks fall UP instead of down!), a version of Atari's Asteroids and a lackluster Berzerk clone- none of which bring anything new to the world of gaming- none of which bring many more ideas past the Atari age- none of which get the blood pumping. As for Mysterious song- it's a computer game conversion that was supposed to be released 6+ years ago. Sorry man- just telling it like it is. I'll tell you what- when MindRec releases Xymati and or the Run n' Gunner- then you have a "homebrew scene". Until then guys- what's been put out isn't anything to act like rock stars about- and I'm especially talking to you Arkhan. This guy acts like he's the mouthpiece of some covert group of celebrities and talks to everyone else like any valid beef like some poor sap's nonrefundable cash is merely pissing and moaning by petty mortals. I'm sick of it. NEWSFLASH: Arkhan- you're really not that special. You're just some guy who digitally created some bullshit girlfriend by morphing Rainbow Brite and a 8 year old Japanese chick, you're just some guy who himself wishes he was a girl- wearing purses and tight pants and using a Cyndi Lauper avatar because that's who you wish you truly were- even your "Insanity" character is bizarrely androgynous... You haven't been laid, if ever, since Christ was a pup- and now here you are overcompensating for your life-fail by acting like you're the Captain of the ship of Tomorrow Land all because you slapped together some weaksauce Berzerk clone (with choice of either white or black casing!) as if none of us here have ever done anything as remotely "cool" as that. Get over yourself dude.
You know it's funny- I remember that it was supposedly always me and Mike Helgeson that were the upstarts- the problem childs. Well- Mike's been gone for awhile- and I rarely come here anymore- and not only does the shit keep going on- but it's uglier and stupider than ever and it's coming from the opposite end of the camp. No one's allowed to say anything. No mere mortal can question that giant pillar of forward thought -- that which is THE HOMEBREW COMMUNITY. Tell you what- if this is the way you guys are gonna act- like snooty rockstars unable to handle blame, diving down anyone's throat who has a valid concern -- over the pitiful product you've already put out and over the looooong delayed product you're still promising- then yeah- Consider me someone who no longer gives a shit- consider me someone non-supportive of the cause. Cry about me. Ban me. Call me a hater.
Let me know when a real turbografx homebrew scene finally comes along. Until then- f*ck you all very much.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: RoyVegas on May 18, 2010, 06:54:33 AM
On the other hand, this discussion has deteriorated to petty argument between two parties (you know who you are) who don't even have the slightest thing to do with the situation. Further posts on the subject will be deleted and/or the thread locked.
:-k
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nectarsis on May 18, 2010, 06:56:24 AM
On the other hand, this discussion has deteriorated to petty argument between two parties (you know who you are) who don't even have the slightest thing to do with the situation. Further posts on the subject will be deleted and/or the thread locked.
:-k
That was aimed mainly at Ark and myself argument which has long since been done :P
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: RoyVegas on May 18, 2010, 07:05:03 AM
Nah I know Nec, I just think this shits getting stupid. Sure people have valid concerns about their money and when the game will actually be released but is all this childish shit necessary? It's one thing to bring up valid concerns but seriously what's the point in comments like these?
You're just some guy who digitally created some bullshit girlfriend by morphing Rainbow Brite and a 8 year old Japanese chick, you're just some guy who himself wishes he was a girl- wearing purses and tight pants and using a Cyndi Lauper avatar because that's who you wish you truly were- even your "Insanity" character is bizarrely androgynous... You haven't been laid, if ever, since Christ was a pup- and now here you are overcompensating for your life-fail by acting like you're the Captain of the ship of Tomorrow Land all because you slapped together some weaksauce Berzerk clone (with choice of either white or black casing!) as if none of us here have ever done anything as remotely "cool" as that. Get over yourself dude.
Seriously, it's like this discussion should be moved to either Fighting Street or a the kindergarden playground. Jesus!
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Pcenginefx on May 18, 2010, 07:26:11 AM
Please get back on topic. If not, this thread is closed.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Sinistron on May 18, 2010, 07:31:15 AM
Roy- you should know by now how one of my rants will read- full of piss and vinegar. I only rant like that when I'm pissed off- and I'm past tired of this Arkhan clown. If anything all he's done for Rover is a disservice A) Because it makes it look like Rove can barely answer for himself B) Because he tries to make this homebrew scene appear so L33T and above criticism, C) Because he keeps proving himself wrong as Rover's mouthpiece as now it is clear - from Rove's own mouth- that no one is getting refunded, D) because he comes off as a snob to anyone who brings up actual points- and instantly takes those points as hatred for his homebrew scene. I'm sick of this guy. Sick of how damn corny he is too. He was on shout recently saying something like how he was hanging out with black guys and he was talking about how he loves tentacle rape and they were like "white boy you so crazy!" or some other corny ass thing. This guy needs to get laid already, he needs to stop thinking so damn highly of himself, and he needs to stop acting like the designated mouthpiece for the homebrew scene- because he's making me and others sick of the whole thing already. I'm seriously surprised that Rover let this guy run off at the lip like he's his spokesman for so long- because the guy just comes off like the world's biggest douche and the only one who can't see himself clearly. Yeah- I know he "made a game", only the third released homebrew game for TurboGrafx so far- but that doesn't carry any weight with me. The most any reviewer could say about the game was "Hey it kinda sucks but it's a new Turbo game! How cool is that?" And as for "new"- it's Berzerk. From Atari. In my opinion it should've been shareware at most. But that's cool -- whatever -- I didn't buy it. Others did- maybe they enjoyed it. Maybe not. Not the point. Even if it was the greatest thing since Drac X- which it so isn't- if you act like a douche then you're a douche period. I don't care what you made- or copied. Also- this carnival with this Mysterious Song has gone on too long. Rove- even your defenders know in the back of their heads how bad this is all looking. Get your shit straightened out already- return this guy his money- if you truly want to you'll find a way to do it- and tell this Arkhan to stop speaking for you- because he's doing a piss poor job of it. And enough with the excuses. You knew you had a full plate of problems when you started accepting preorders. This whole bungle is your fault- no one else's.
Furthermore- let me address any concerns that this is not any of my business. This is my business. This is all of our business. This is our Turbografx/PCE community. This is a batch of people trying to continue the legacy of my and your favorite system- and if they fail, or give the scene a bad name for whatever reason- be it preorderers not getting their money refunded when they realize there's no product- or badmouthing anyone in the community who brings up a valid concern- or going all Rambo L33t on others because they're not in the "homebrew scene"- then it affects us. The TG "homebrew scene" is still in its early infancy- plenty early enough to still come fully out of the womb with webbed feet. All it takes is one jerkoff who thinks he's a rockstar and another guy- and Rove- seriously man- I consider you a friend- who can't take blame, passes off excuses and can't seem to take care of serious issues- or even want to. Arkhan- you need to shut your mouth when grown folks are talking. Rove- you need to apologize and take care of this refund business.
That is all- I've said my piece- have at me if you will.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: kattare on May 18, 2010, 07:40:06 AM
Regarding paypal... Rover, I feel your pain. Kattare, INC takes paypal as a payment option for our webhosting clients and about once every couple of months a transaction inexplicably gets held for investigation.
However... Kattare, INC went into the paypal game with eyes wide open. Everyone who has been on the internet for more than a few years KNOWS that paypal freezes accounts, and transactions, on a regular basis for their own hidden agendas. My personal belief is that they have some big bank accounts somewhere gathering interest off of everyone's paypal "money" and whenever those bank accounts fall below a certain point, they target an account or two (thousand) for "investigation" so they can hold onto the cash for a while.
My point however, is that when these transactions get put on hold, Kattare, INC still credits the client the funds, provides the service, and pretends as if Kattare, INC has received the funds. (in one case even, on a $5,000+ transaction) Why bully our clients over a payment method that WE chose? You need to provide for your clients, the gamers, as if they have already paid you. Because they have, with a payment method you chose, eyes wide open.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: RoyVegas on May 18, 2010, 07:53:25 AM
Roy- you should know by now how one of my rants will read- full of piss and vinegar.
I've been the target, I know how you can get... :lol:
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: lord_cack on May 18, 2010, 08:41:13 AM
Opinions are opinions, everyone has one, everyone is entitled to one. But, what I was talking about Sinistron was the fact that it was legitimately private information. Peoples privacies were violated. Is it top secret government information, a threat to national security, or the spec of the Next iPhone.... no. But it was private none the less.
So, thats not a big deal? Even in this massive mess that is the internet, people are entitled to privacy, when the location they post in is private. So, how does such information find its way out? I don't know, I just know that the information was mentioned, I know who mentioned it. I addressed it in privacy and was set to leave it alone. But, as more information made its way from Frozen Utopia's "Private Forum" subtly on to these forums, I felt compelled to address the issue in the only way I felt I could, with my personal example of the privacy violation.
Are you right in being upset with the situation discussed? Yes, fully, its all been in poor taste. Is your point valid, it is. Is mine, I believe it is. Is the name calling necessary.... probably not.
Now as was mentioned before, can we get back on topic.... whatever it is by now.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 18, 2010, 08:47:36 AM
I think this thread has run its course. It is time for it to end now, because I don't see it getting back on track any time soon. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and is free to express it, but when it just becomes back and forth over and over, it is a waste of everyone's time. If anyone has questions or concerns about their Mysterious Song pre-orders, you can Private Message those involved with the game.
Sinistron will take a two-week vacation from the forums for personal attacks against Arkhan that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at all. Nobody is saying you need to like the guy, but personal attacks are unacceptable. Two weeks should be pretty easy for Sinistron since he doesn't post too often, but next time it will be permanent.
Title: Re: Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!
Post by: nodtveidt on May 18, 2010, 09:04:57 AM
The reason the site is down right now is because the server payment is late. All of our sites are down, including palib-dev.com, eponasoft.com, pontecyber.net, etc. It'll be up again as soon as I get ahold of a credit card to get it paid off, which should be in a few hours.
Only one person has requested a refund though, and I will have it taken care of as soon as I can. But I can only take responsibility for what actually IS my responsibility. Paypal sucks and everyone knows it but it's what pretty much everyone has. I am not going to be meaninglessly apologetic for things out of my control, but that doesn't mean I won't try to find another route...I already told him that, and he said not to worry, to let him know when the issue was resolved.
The reason we started taking pre-orders was because we were *right there*...the game was on schedule and there was nothing holding us back. As it is, I'm already waiving shipping fees as recompense for the delay...whoever's pre-ordered won't have to pay to have it shipped when it's pressed. That's the least I can do in apology for the delay.