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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Discussion => Topic started by: offsidewing on April 19, 2010, 01:18:01 PM
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Ok, so the search function in this forum is about as helpful as an abstinence program in a whore house. So please forgive me that I grew tired of searching "19 percent matches" that are 4 years old to answer these questions.
My eight year old son is getting into the Turbo. I want to back up games he enjoys playing like Dungeon Explorer 2 and Bonk 3 SuckyCD so he can scratch the daylights out of those like he does his Wallace & Gommit and Hiayo Miyazaki DVD's.
1. What's the best process to back up CD games? I have a DVD burner and a Blu-Ray burner on my 1 year old PC so I can do disc to disc.
2. What's the best program to use to back up Turbo Games?
2a. How do I do it?
2b. Can I save the game data on my hard drive to poop out another copy when the back up inevitably becomes scratched?
3. Is there blank media that is better quality than Verbatim? - there's some Japanese CD-R I can't rember Tayao Yupi or something that I obviously can't remember the name...
I just want to be able to back up my games.
Thanks
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Use TURBORIP if you need to rip an ISO copy to your hard drive for future use. If you just desire a disc-to-disc backup, you can use Nero or any other burning software.
If you TURBORIP a game to your hard disk, it doesn't hurt to run TOCFIX on the rip to make sure the .CUE file is in order.
I don't have URL links to these programs offhand, but I'm sure someone will come up with some quicker than me in that whorehouse you mentioned.
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Taiyo Yuden CD-Rs, and Diamond Silverbacks, are the best (only) discs you should even bother using. All them cheap ass dyed discs from bestbuy aren't quality.
They might say "high quality" and all of that, but the rickety, old ass CD-ROM units, and Duo's require the BEST quality CD-Rs :)
http://www.mediasupply.com/taiyo-yuden-silver-lacquer.html
http://www.gotmedia.com/prodisc-cdr-shiny-silver-diamond.html
If your computer can handle it (good luck), you can also use CDRWIN to rip a bin/cue from the CD. Though, that programs kind of a bastard on new machines.
You can make straight copies of the discs with pretty much any CD copying software, just copy it at 1x for best results.
I've done it with Nero 7, Alcohol 120%, Disc juggler (crap), and some other program that I forget the name of.
http://www.ysutopia.net/index.php?ind=downloads&op=download_file&ide=8&file=TurboRipV100.rar
Thar be TurboRip
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I use Roxio Blu-Ray and DVDFab. Other than the click, click, burn those interfaces offer - I'm pretty ignorant with backing up media. TOCFIX a rip on the .CUE sounds like a bunch of 'thrashers' talking at a skate park to me...
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I use Roxio Blu-Ray and DVDFab. Other than the click, click, burn those interfaces offer - I'm pretty ignorant with backing up media. TOCFIX a rip on the .CUE sounds like a bunch of 'thrashers' talking at a skate park to me...
Well TOCFIX is "Table of Contents" Fix. :)
.CUE sheets are the table of contents. Its a time-lined description of the contents of a CD. You need it so audio is laid out properly. Otherwise you'll have like a song start too early, or cut out, or not be there at all!
You can use TOCFIX to make sure that the files you rip are lined up nicely.
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and Duo's require the BEST quality CD-Rs :)
not to mention that cheap ass CD-Rs may destroy your PCE CD-ROM, or scale down its MCBF drastically!
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Good idea Darkwing. I baby my otaku collection of games myself by making backup copies then sealing the games away with spine cards :pray: and keeping them secured away..
I've found CloneCD is the best program for disc to disc copy that works perfect with Turbo/PC Engine CDs.. no need to worry about TOC and anything else..
go with Verbatim CDs.. good CDR blank media is getting harder to find these days though and getting replaced by DVDRs...
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I've found CloneCD is the best program for disc to disc copy that works perfect with Turbo/PC Engine CDs.. no need to worry about TOC and anything else..
That is the other program I used. It worked great.
go with Verbatim CDs.. good CDR blank media is getting harder to find these days though and getting replaced by DVDRs...
No. Verbatim is not good enough. Nothing you find at bestbuy/walmart is good enough. Finding good ones isn't hard! :) I linked to two sources. Hell, you can still buy 5.25" disks new!
You NEED the nice, near-pressed CD quality CD-Rs with almost silvery bottoms. They might say "high quality" on the box of Verbatim, etc, but they aren't saying that with a 1x CD-ROM from 1987 in mind.
thicker, heavier, darker dyed bottom CD-Rs will slowly damage your hardware to the point of no return.
A friend got one, burned a bunch of games onto Verbatim and Kodak CD-Rs and 3 weeks later the CD-ROM unit croaked.
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and Duo's require the BEST quality CD-Rs :)
not to mention that cheap ass CD-Rs may WILL destroy your PCE CD-ROM, or scale down its MCBF drastically!
:idea:
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personally for my kids to experience Turbo, I set up two soft modded Xbox's put MednefenX on them and used TURBORIP and TocFixer to play all the best Turbo CD games directly off the harddrive.
Otherwise let them play your CD-r's on Magic Engine on an old PC or something....
I'm keeping CD-r's away from any Turbo CD's or Duo's in the future... THEY ARE CD-ROM KILLERS!!!
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Go to NECstasy (http://www.necstasy.net/) for links to TurboRip and TocFixer with tutorials on how to use 'em.
No. Verbatim is not good enough.
Except for those made by Taiyo Yuden, of course; they've been rebranded by all sorts of other companies (Sony, TDK, Maxell, Fuji, etc.), though I unfortunately don't know how to identify 'em without sticking 'em in a drive.
personally for my kids to experience Turbo, I set up two soft modded Xbox's put MednefenX on them and used TURBORIP and TocFixer to play all the best Turbo CD games directly off the harddrive.
An excellent plan, as it keeps the HuCards from being mistreated and safeguards the relatively fragile and expensive hardware.
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Except for those made by Taiyo Yuden, of course; they've been rebranded by all sorts of other companies (Sony, TDK, Maxell, Fuji, etc.), though I unfortunately don't know how to identify 'em without sticking 'em in a drive.
I don't either, that's why I only get the actual name brand ones. No sense buying the other brands on the off chance they're rebranded. :)
Another pretty solid plan, on paper at least, is to teach your kids how to take good care of CD-Roms! Maybe get them started on cheap, useless CD-ROMs like your backups you make, or something.
I don't have kids so I don't know how much of a PITA is to teach these things... but I am thankful I was taught how to handle CDs when I was realllly young.
Otherwise my Sega CD, DOS CD-ROM, and PSX libraries may not be so shiney and useful now :)
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personally for my kids to experience Turbo, I set up two soft modded Xbox's put MednefenX on them and used TURBORIP and TocFixer to play all the best Turbo CD games directly off the harddrive.
Otherwise let them play your CD-r's on Magic Engine on an old PC or something....
I'm keeping CD-r's away from any Turbo CD's or Duo's in the future... THEY ARE CD-ROM KILLERS!!!
Is there a tutorial for this? And is it an Xbox or and Xbox 360? Either way, I have both and LOVE this idea. The Turbo's and the Core Grafices are built like tanks, but the Duo's are a gentle, testy breed.
Except for those made by Taiyo Yuden, of course; they've been rebranded by all sorts of other companies (Sony, TDK, Maxell, Fuji, etc.), though I unfortunately don't know how to identify 'em without sticking 'em in a drive.
I don't either, that's why I only get the actual name brand ones. No sense buying the other brands on the off chance they're rebranded. :)
Another pretty solid plan, on paper at least, is to teach your kids how to take good care of CD-Roms! Maybe get them started on cheap, useless CD-ROMs like your backups you make, or something.
I don't have kids so I don't know how much of a PITA is to teach these things... but I am thankful I was taught how to handle CDs when I was realllly young.
Otherwise my Sega CD, DOS CD-ROM, and PSX libraries may not be so shiney and useful now :)
Children are the most destructive force on earth.
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It's odd to think that compact disc media didn't become widely used until most of us were already old enough to instinctively know how to handle it gently. I mean, the TurboCD system wasn't even released until I was almost a teenager. I definitely WAS a teen by the time the Duo came out, and those were basically the first CD-based game systems in the US. It was around this time my family got its first music CD player (sometime between 1990-92), so personally I never went through any sort of "too young to touch" phase with that stuff. And as I still don't have kids, I haven't experienced it from that end either. All this talk almost makes one feel.... old!
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personally for my kids to experience Turbo, I set up two soft modded Xbox's put MednefenX on them and used TURBORIP and TocFixer to play all the best Turbo CD games directly off the harddrive.
Otherwise let them play your CD-r's on Magic Engine on an old PC or something....
I'm keeping CD-r's away from any Turbo CD's or Duo's in the future... THEY ARE CD-ROM KILLERS!!!
Is there a tutorial for this? And is it an Xbox or and Xbox 360? Either way, I have both and LOVE this idea. The Turbo's and the Core Grafices are built like tanks, but the Duo's are a gentle, testy breed.
You can soft mod it, but it requires a bit of knowledge and finesse.....
or you can do the mod-chip method instead.
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I'm keeping CD-r's away from any Turbo CD's or Duo's in the future... THEY ARE CD-ROM KILLERS!!!
Are there really any evidence CD-Rs kill Duo/PC Engine CD drives? IF you think about it, Computer PC's CD drives are used to play crappy CDRs all the time... and you would think PC Engine/DUO's drives were of higher quality (even though it's only 1x)... I'm interested in confirmed theory here.... (because I am worried, I actually played Y's1 compleetely thru on my Duo and that backup was made on a cheapy Maxell from 1998 ! gulp).....
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Cheap CD-Rs are harder for the laser to read, and as such they really exert themselves to do so. This in turn shortens the life of the laser. Cheap CD-Rs will affect CD-ROM drives in the same manner, but consider this: how many CD-ROM drives are you using that are 20-25 years old? Most people tend to completely replace their computer systems every few years, and those that don't usually upgrade peripherals (such as CD-ROMs) before they have a chance to fail.
Personally, I've had countless CD-ROM drives go out over the years. I have a SCSI Toshiba CD-R burner in an old PowerMac that is over a decade old now that finally bit the dust in the past year. Such a drive is considered "ancient" by current technology's standards and its only half as old as the drives in PCE CD systems and Duos.
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personally for my kids to experience Turbo, I set up two soft modded Xbox's put MednefenX on them and used TURBORIP and TocFixer to play all the best Turbo CD games directly off the harddrive.
Otherwise let them play your CD-r's on Magic Engine on an old PC or something....
I'm keeping CD-r's away from any Turbo CD's or Duo's in the future... THEY ARE CD-ROM KILLERS!!!
Is there a tutorial for this? And is it an Xbox or and Xbox 360? Either way, I have both and LOVE this idea. The Turbo's and the Core Grafices are built like tanks, but the Duo's are a gentle, testy breed.
You can soft mod it, but it requires a bit of knowledge and finesse.....
or you can do the mod-chip method instead.
Xbox or Xbox 360?
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Are there really any evidence CD-Rs kill Duo/PC Engine CD drives?
I'm aware of several cases where DUOs as well PCE CD-ROMs completely irreversible broke down in just few days/weeks of CD-R use, and before that, they worked flawless for 2 decades when using originals!!
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wow... did not know that... :shock:
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Are there really any evidence CD-Rs kill Duo/PC Engine CD drives? IF you think about it, Computer PC's CD drives are used to play crappy CDRs all the time... and you would think PC Engine/DUO's drives were of higher quality (even though it's only 1x)... I'm interested in confirmed theory here.... (because I am worried, I actually played Y's1 compleetely thru on my Duo and that backup was made on a cheapy Maxell from 1998 ! gulp).....
A friend got one, burned a bunch of games onto Verbatim and Kodak CD-Rs and 3 weeks later the CD-ROM unit croaked.
Duo's can handle CD-Rs a *bit* better since they're newer than the original CD-ROM unit
but, the age of the CD-ROM is kind of a give away. The late 80s was a new era for CDROM technology, and TBH, the PCE CD-ROM unit is an accident waiting to happen anymore. They weren't exactly making perfect hardware at the time with CD-ROMs, especially at that price.
When you hear the unit making funny noises while reading a CD-R, there is your proof. :)
Xbox or Xbox 360?
Regular Xbox. You can use an Action Replay, and Mechassault to hack linux onto the thing, and basically fill it up with all kinds of <3 via FTP on your PC.
you need to be careful while doing it, and be sure to back up your entire Xbox HDD before messing with it. Theres a chance you can accidentally wipe your dashboard out and then you are totally boned once the clock capacitors discharge. Fixing it in that state is a PITA and involves hot swapping the Xbox hard disk with a PC, lol
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Long story, short version:
Older CD-ROM (not re-writeable) drives used older lasers (longer wavelength, I think); they were meant for pressed discs, which are very reflective.
Newer CR-R/W (re-writeable) drives use different lasers; the focus well on both pressed and dye-based
discs.
Putting a CD-R/W disc into a CR-ROM drive will not harm the drive UNTIL you try to play it. Since the
laser is older, it -cannot- focus correctly on the dye-based disc; even if it locks onto the disc and recognizes
that one is inserted, it will have a VERY hard time reading the less reflective disc.
This causes the drive to seek and re-try lots. Enough times to wear out the gears on older pce/tg-16 cd units.
Newer duos (from what I've heard) use newer lasers, allowing them to focus and read dyd-based discs 'better'. This is why you can some-times re-calibrate the duos to read R/W media.
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check out Xbox scene for tutorials on soft modding your Xbox (original).
I bet youtube has some video tutorials as well.
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Can't find the actual tutorial I used but I softmodded a few using UnleashX+ndure method. Gotta crack the XBOX case open to do it, as it required swapping the HDD ribbon cable to a PC.
Still beats soldering a chip in though.
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After these good discussions, this is what I am going to do:
first, I like playing the PCE/Duo games with the original oldies.. it feels more "right".. so given that backdrop and these new light on how CDRs aren't good for our baby Duos/CD-Rom units..
1) Ever been to a conference and they give you these badges you wear around ur neck, with your name card held inside these plasticy cases that look like giant versions of baseball card protectors? I am gonna buy whole bunch of these.
2) Then put all my spine cards of games in my collection in to these, along with the jewel cases/instructions
3) put (1), (2) above away
3) Put the original game discs in a easily accessable CD wallet.
then game on O:)
totally on a side tangent.. the Tannoeke Bank hucard is the best invention ever... for those of you playing on the system... you need to get yourself one of these to transfer your saved games!! I bought 2 more on my Japan trip this week :mrgreen:
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i don't like the idea of using cd-wallets for my most valuable discs i just can imagine off. inserting and pulling them in and out doesn't seem very well for them to me, regarding nano-scratches etc.
i think the good old fashonable jewel case does still the best possible job to keep your cds in best condition. as long it is kept clean inside.
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also, if something damages the CD Wallet, all your games are f*cked in the process instead of just 1 or 2.
Say if you lose it, drop it, smash it on accident... etc. etc