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Title: Reefer Madness
Post by: oldskool on April 19, 2010, 08:59:25 PM
It seems as though lately, everywhere I turn, there is mention of marijuana. Whether it be polls, television shows, laws, busts, etc etc. It seems like there is a movement happening. One that's been going on for a long time now, but has become pretty strong as of late. Personally I think they should just cut the crap and legalize it in all 50 states and just get it over with, because with the way things are going it's going to happen sooner or later anyways. Besides, like many other issues with this country, it's unconstitutional to criminalize it. And sorry, but making it legal with "tax stamps" doesn't cut it especially since they were never available to begin with. 8-[ 8-[ 8-[ 8-[
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 19, 2010, 09:10:38 PM
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: oldskool on April 19, 2010, 09:52:29 PM
Oh you are right, that's it! I didn't even notice. Ooops wrong section, I thought I was in chit-chat. Ahhh well - I guess it can be console related. Get into the zone! TURBO ZONE!
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 20, 2010, 04:43:57 AM
Well old, it's a little more aggressive here. See, they can't legalize it in California so the Californians are trying to get it legalized here first. It's been happening for a few years now. Every year they get closer and closer to legalizing it.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 20, 2010, 05:00:33 AM
As a smoker (cigs) myself, I think it should be criminalized. It's killing me (don't get excited about this, I'm not dying any time soon)!
Soooo..... just ! Problem solved.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 20, 2010, 05:39:32 AM
They should legalize MJ just so the potheads will stop their constant whining about it. Smoke in any form still disgusts me, however. Why people want to inhale such stuff into their lungs will forever be beyond my comprehension. Who was the first to think "Hey, let's INHALE this... that'll be a good thing!" If you do pot, stick with brownies or the like and keep the smoke stuff off of your electronics, games, hair, clothing, etc. Believe me, I can tell when stuff I buy comes from a smoker of cigs or pot. You can't smell it because you are used to it, but I sure can. Only if the smoker is very careful are such things avoided.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 20, 2010, 05:47:50 AM
careful smoker? lollll
all the smokers I see teeter the cigarette over all their gear, with the ash just about to fall off, all the time.
>_<
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 20, 2010, 05:49:07 AM
Believe me, I can tell when stuff I buy comes from a smoker of cigs or pot. You can't smell it because you are used to it, but I sure can. Only if the smoker is very careful are such things avoided.
Very true Joe. If you smoke in your house it pretty much turns everything yellow with a lovely film that you just cant get off. I however, only smoke outside so the only thing that stinks is ME! :lol:
Mainly I am trying to keep the smoke away from my kids. O:)
all the smokers I see teeter the cigarette over all their gear, with the ash just about to fall off, all the time.
>_<
Cmon Arkhan, don't label everyone that smokes. Some of us try to be respectful and careful about it.
Ah crap, I took this off topic. This isn't about regular nasty smokers like me, it's about potheads... :dance:
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 20, 2010, 06:06:36 AM
It's true, Arkhan. I've bought things from smokers before where I could not tell. But I've found other things in thrift stores and eBay (yeah, I know) where it was overpowering. Even letting the game sit outside opened all night did not help much. My first Neo Geo was like that. I actually disassembled it and let the pCB and the open casing sit outside and it still didn't help much. And that thing eventually died.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 20, 2010, 06:41:17 AM
I dont buy things from smokers. I bought an Amiga from a smoker one time
they shooped the ebay pics and said it was clean
that f*cker was banana yellow, and some of the keys crunched when you pressed them! LOL
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 20, 2010, 07:49:08 AM
I dont buy things from smokers. I bought an Amiga from a smoker one time
they shooped the ebay pics and said it was clean
that f*cker was banana yellow, and some of the keys crunched when you pressed them! LOL
Ok, so you had a bad experiance but that doesn't make all smokers like that. I dated a chick once and she cheated on me. Does that mean all women MUST be whores? Don't get me wrong, I would say most smokers probably do smoke in their houses. I personally don't because I don't want all my stuff looking and smelling like shit. Maybe I'm just the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: jperryss on April 20, 2010, 08:03:54 AM
Don't get me wrong, I would say most smokers probably do smoke in their houses. I personally don't because I don't want all my stuff looking and smelling like shit. Maybe I'm just the exception to the rule.
I don't smoke in the house either. Partly because of the smell, and partly because I smoke less if I force myself to go outside to do it.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 20, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
Responsible smokers have my respect. Good call, guys! Irresponsible ones certainly do not have it.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 20, 2010, 11:39:09 AM
Ok, so you had a bad experiance but that doesn't make all smokers like that. I dated a chick once and she cheated on me. Does that mean all women MUST be whores? Don't get me wrong, I would say most smokers probably do smoke in their houses. I personally don't because I don't want all my stuff looking and smelling like shit. Maybe I'm just the exception to the rule.
Every smoker I know (a dickload of em) smokes wherever, with little regard for the aioesjvcasefjas;klfj that occurs from it.
:) Hats off to people who are neat about it though. Seems like those kinda smokers are in the minority
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Digi.k on April 20, 2010, 01:17:29 PM
you guys should goto amsterdam.. can buy it in the cakes too at the so called coffee shops... went there around 95 with a group of youth workers who all took time off to get high while I *ahem* wandered off into the red light area..
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: oldskool on April 20, 2010, 03:57:36 PM
I would love Amsterdam, AND the red light district.. :-" :-"
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 21, 2010, 12:57:02 AM
I would love Amsterdam, AND the red light district.. :-" :-"
yeah man! you can get completely baked and wake up with a dildo shoved in your ass! WOOO! DRUGS! :)
lol.
anyone see Eurotrip?
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Gogan on April 21, 2010, 04:04:36 AM
Reefer Madness.
I frickin love that movie!
I'm a cig smoker and former pothead, and agree that outside is best for cigs. As of May 1st, you can't smoke in bars/restaurants here in Michigan and I couldn't be happier, the shit really makes the bar feel...dirty.
As for pot, don't really see the big deal in legalizing it, I mean IMO, alcohol does more damage to a person and their surroundings than pot. I'd rather have someone high on pot driving next to me than someone drunk on jesus juice.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 21, 2010, 05:25:36 AM
they passed that "smoke outside" rule in Ohio awhile ago and it cracks me up.
Youll see tough guys outside of bars in the winter, wearing jeans + tshirt, in the snow, puffing on cigarettes, still trying to look tough as they clench their arms and shiver.
that or everyone who goes to bars and smokes has parkinsons.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 21, 2010, 05:36:24 AM
Youll see tough guys outside of bars in the winter, wearing jeans + tshirt, in the snow, puffing on cigarettes, still trying to look tough as they clench their arms and shiver.
I know that feeling.. I lived in North Dakota for a year. Nothing like going out to smoke when its -40 with wind chill. :roll:
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Gogan on April 21, 2010, 05:38:29 AM
Most states have that ban I believe. Michigan is just way behind on everything :-/
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 21, 2010, 05:53:46 AM
They should legalize MJ just so the potheads will stop their constant whining about it.
Yeah, its pretty annoying to hear them go on and on about their "cause". Of course, since there are a couple of hundred thousand people in prison right now because of weed possession, which is bullshit, I'd say they really do have a cause.
As the OP said, legalization is imminent. "There is nothing more powerful than an idea who's time has come.", and all that. Slavery didn't end because congress passed a law, it ended because it was unsustainable, and the public at large didn't want it anymore. MJ will be legalized once everyone stops being scared of it, and we are nearly at that point.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 21, 2010, 06:06:31 AM
Of course, since there are a couple of hundred thousand people in prison right now because of weed possession, which is bullshit, I'd say they really do have a cause.
Just because you see a law as "bullshit" doesn't make it any less of a law. Rules are rules, those people made a choice to break the law and that's the risk they took. Now they're paying for it. But hey, once it's legal, feel free to smoke it.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: oldskool on April 21, 2010, 06:37:34 AM
It's still bullshit. I don't care if it's law or not.
And as far as Amsterdam, yeah I'd wake up with a dildo in my ass.. :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 21, 2010, 07:22:15 AM
It's still bullshit. I don't care if it's law or not.
And as far as Amsterdam, yeah I'd wake up with a dildo in my ass.. :roll: :roll:
aww that was only a joke, lol
man, Eurotrip was a funny movie.
I dont see why dope is illegal really. Cities (OOPS, lol) like Amsterdam do just fine with people being weed happy.
All I think would happen is, the "ooo ILLEGAL!" buzz would wear off , and even the heavy dopers will end up cutting back.
and then people that just want a little high wont have to go to some crack alley, get knifed, and get robbed just to smoke a joint.
that or everyone whos into crime will ride around high as kites shooting at people.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on April 21, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
Wisconsin Smoking ban starts July 1st. Damn, can't wait!!
I only poofed once back in my senior year in High School. Wound up in a folding chair sitting in the middle of a river. A couple friends saw me and pulled me in. I didn't like how I felt so I've never done it since. Also I've known a few pot heads in the past 20 years and had BAD experiences with pretty much all of them.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: oldskool on April 21, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
Sounds like you were around the wrong people period, whether they smoked pot or not. I'm sure the pot was not a determining factor with the way they acted. It's probably just the way they WERE.
I thought Amsterdam was a city, not a country?
Oh yeah, Euro Trip! Haha, awesome movie.
As far as people running around high as a kite and shooting everyone, only in Reefer Madness. Or they were high on something else. . hehe. Cause if they were smokin' teh buds, they'd be at home chillin' with not a worry on their minds. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Keranu on April 21, 2010, 05:19:58 PM
oldskool can be my official spokesperson for this thread.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 21, 2010, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: RoyVegas
Just because you see a law as "bullshit" doesn't make it any less of a law. Rules are rules, those people made a choice to break the law and that's the risk they took. Now they're paying for it. But hey, once it's legal, feel free to smoke it.
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Well, for obedient stooges like you it does, but laws, more or less, reflect the public sentiment of the people at large. Butt sex used to be an imprisonable offense in large parts of the world. Now its only illegal in places like Iran (where more people have your sort of support for draconian laws) because people lost interest in sending people to jail for it (or executing them, or chemical castration, or whatever). Anti-sodomy laws didn't go away because people sent letters to their congressmen, and anti-weed laws won't go away via that method either.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 22, 2010, 02:24:48 AM
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Well, for obedient stooges like you it does, but laws, more or less, reflect the public sentiment of the people at large.
Ok, since the laws only work for obedient stooges like me, how about you go light up a joint in front of your local police station? I guess they also work for chickenshits like youself. =;
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 22, 2010, 03:13:50 AM
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Well, for obedient stooges like you it does, but laws, more or less, reflect the public sentiment of the people at large.
Ok, since the laws only work for obedient stooges like me, how about you go light up a joint in front of your local police station? I guess they also work for chickenshits like youself. =;
no no see, thats not working FOR him, its working AGAINST him. :)
shit though man, i wouldnt want to piss off any draconians.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 22, 2010, 03:32:27 AM
Amsterdam is the city, Netherlands is the country; and contrary to popular belief, weed is illegal in the Netherlands, but they don't always enforce the law.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 22, 2010, 06:02:55 AM
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Well, for obedient stooges like you it does, but laws, more or less, reflect the public sentiment of the people at large.
Ok, since the laws only work for obedient stooges like me, how about you go light up a joint in front of your local police station? I guess they also work for chickenshits like youself. =;
Bad choice of example since I live in Washtenaw county, home of Hash Bash. Its only a $5-25 for first offense. We decided to ignore Michigan's insane drug policy. Amazingly, there are no burning overturned cars in the streets or roaming gangs of highwaymen.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 22, 2010, 06:16:43 AM
yeah, oops, :D . Youd think I'd stop f*cking that up by now considering 80% of the people I talk to every day live there.
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; and contrary to popular belief, weed is illegal in the Netherlands, but they don't always enforce the law.
It's legal to purchase from coffee shops (thats what the weed shop is called), and walk around with it and toke up (though you may get sent home from cops if you're out in public, blazing up).
However, It's not legal to buy it from the coffeeshop and then start reselling it out of your basement like some trailer trash nimrod.
the idea is that personal use is legal, but commercial exploitation is illegal.
Some local governments even grow the dope themselves to be sold, lol.
also, prostitution is legal :D.
WHORES AND WEED, WHOS COMIN WITH ME FOR VACATION?
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 22, 2010, 06:32:36 AM
You seem to be missing my point Zeta. Bullshit or not, the law is the law. Everyone has to make a personal choice if they follow it or not. Knowing things are illegal and doing them anyway people are making the choice and also have to face the consequences. I drove to work today with no seatbelt on knowing if I got caught I would face a ticket or injury/death but I didn't put it on. I made that choice knowing what could happen. Like I said I'm not saying the laws are fair or not, I'm just stating they are there to follow and those who don't follow them know what can happen and take that risk.
I'm curious, you say $5-25 for the first offense. What happens after that?
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 22, 2010, 06:42:18 AM
It's legal to purchase from coffee shops (thats what the weed shop is called), and walk around with it and toke up (though you may get sent home from cops if you're out in public, blazing up).
However, It's not legal to buy it from the coffeeshop and then start reselling it out of your basement like some trailer trash nimrod.
the idea is that personal use is legal, but commercial exploitation is illegal.
Cannabis is technically still illegal, as the Opium Act (which criminalized all sorts of narcotics, including weed) was never repealed; they only amended the law to include prosecutorial guidelines, effectively neutering the law in most circumstances.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 22, 2010, 07:01:51 AM
You seem to be missing my point Zeta. Bullshit or not, the law is the law. Everyone has to make a personal choice if they follow it or not. Knowing things are illegal and doing them anyway people are making the choice and also have to face the consequences. I drove to work today with no seatbelt on knowing if I got caught I would face a ticket or injury/death but I didn't put it on. I made that choice knowing what could happen. Like I said I'm not saying the laws are fair or not, I'm just stating they are there to follow and those who don't follow them know what can happen and take that risk.
You seem to be explaining to me what a "law" is. I already understand this.
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I'm curious, you say $5-25 for the first offense. What happens after that?
The fine doubles a couple of times and then pegs out at $100. In general though there is a lot of weed around here, but legal or not most people only smoke it indoors so there isn't much in the way of tickets being issued. Now that Michigan has legalized medicinal marijuana I don't expect the law will be getting any harder about this...which brings me to my point. Once a huge portion of the public is ignoring any given law the government eventually has to make a decision as to whether not its worth devoting assloads of time and money to prosecuting it. They work for us, you see, which is a point you obedient types seem to forget.
The public at large no longer buys into the myth that weed is a gateway drug, that causes people to kill, etc. Its all bullshit. Unlike coke, booze, speed, or just about anything else pot just grows in the dirt. No processing is needed. God himself put it there. Its virtually impossible to overdose on, and not only does it have fewer negative health side effects than legal drugs like alcohol and cigarettes, but its usually a lot safer than all those f*cking prescription drugs they are constantly trying to sell us on TV. Every day people are going to jail for pot, being branded as felons for life, losing student loan eligibility, etc for something that only a small portion of America actually believes is morally wrong (ie: the pro life yet pro nuke crowd, mostly). Because of this, the tide will turn.
Since 40,000 people die every year from car accidents, which is 40,000 more than pot has ever killed, don't expect to overturn any seat belt laws. You should be wearing your seat belt, not because its the law, but because its f*cking stupid to not wear it.
Laws are, in theory, meant to be derivative of morality, not origin of it.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 22, 2010, 07:26:03 AM
Since 40,000 people die every year from car accidents, which is 40,000 more than pot has ever killed, don't expect to overturn any seat belt laws. You should be wearing your seat belt, not because its the law, but because its f*cking stupid to not wear it.
Laws are, in theory, meant to be derivative of morality, not origin of it.
Dont forget though, some of the car accidents, were caused by people high as balls, driving around smashing into shit.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 22, 2010, 07:38:37 AM
Quote from: Arkhan
Dont forget though, some of the car accidents, were caused by people high as balls, driving around smashing into shit.
At 4mph? No one's going to get hurt.
Apologies to Bill Hicks for that joke.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 22, 2010, 07:43:22 AM
Quote from: Roy
I drove to work today with no seatbelt on knowing if I got caught I would face a ticket or injury/death but I didn't put it on.
My car won't even let me do that. It beeps and beeps and beeps until the seatbelt is plugged in. It's damn loud, too. I think all new cars are like this. It really pisses me off.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: nectarsis on April 22, 2010, 07:53:58 AM
The public at large no longer buys into the myth that weed is a gateway drug, that causes people to kill, etc. Its all bullshit. Unlike coke, booze, speed, or just about anything else pot just grows in the dirt. No processing is needed. God himself put it there. Its virtually impossible to overdose on, and not only does it have fewer negative health side effects than legal drugs like alcohol and cigarettes, but its usually a lot safer than all those f*cking prescription drugs they are constantly trying to sell us on TV. Every day people are going to jail for pot, being branded as felons for life, losing student loan eligibility, etc for something that only a small portion of America actually believes is morally wrong (ie: the pro life yet pro nuke crowd, mostly). Because of this, the tide will turn.
Man that same old tired "it's all natural" "it just grows in the dirt". While many people do grow their own, a shitton of it is hardly "all natural".
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 22, 2010, 08:22:40 AM
I drove to work today with no seatbelt on knowing if I got caught I would face a ticket or injury/death but I didn't put it on.
My car won't even let me do that. It beeps and beeps and beeps until the seatbelt is plugged in. It's damn loud, too. I think all new cars are like this. It really pisses me off.
my old one did that but i never noticed.
It couldnt compete with speed metal on full blast.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 22, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
They work for us, you see, which is a point you obedient types seem to forget.
I know that fact quite clearly, which is why I vote out the people I don't agree with... I'm not sure where you get this "obediant" shit from. I'm far from obediant.
For one thing, driving without your seat belt is hella dumb. Completely illogical and...just stupid. Unlike weed, it isn't harmless.
wait wait, weed is harmless? No negative side effects?
WOW, when did that happen.
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Growing a shitton of anything is the basis of modern civilization. There would be no PC Engine without agriculture.
lrn2read.
a shit ton of dope is not all natural, meaning its not 100% straight from the ground. Its been f*cked around with.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 23, 2010, 04:31:19 AM
In my opinion everything is natural. We cultivated the PC Engine from items found on Earth that we grew or were already here. Humans naturally build things. Therefore it is natural for the PC Engine to exist.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Vecanti on April 23, 2010, 05:38:38 AM
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 23, 2010, 06:38:51 AM
Quote from: Arkhan
wait wait, weed is harmless? No negative side effects?
WOW, when did that happen.
A lot of people become very unmotivated when they get really into pot. However, I've known some EXTREME losers who cuddle up with RPGs in the same way stoners cuddle up with a bong and never do f*cking anything. One guy I know literally had his parents mail order him a wife, and the only drug he did was caffeine. I think certain personality types just gravitate towards obsessive behavior.
Other than that, there aren't any real negative side effects associated with weed. Not compared to alcohol or cigarettes, which are trillion dollar industries associated with the "right" side of the law.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 23, 2010, 07:27:45 AM
Other than that, there aren't any real known negative side effects associated with weed.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 23, 2010, 08:17:37 AM
There's lots of known negatives associated with smoking weed, such as it containing Zyklon-B and causing Cheeto shortages. I think Zeta's point was that when compared to legal vices like booze and tobacco, it is relatively harmless.*
* - pretty much everything is harmful if the concentration is high enough (even water).
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Keranu on April 23, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
There is no link between cannabis and cancer.
There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.
There has never been a single overdose from cannabis consumption.
Now who wants to list the next 10 pages explaining the health benefits of cannabis? :)
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 23, 2010, 09:49:38 AM
Now who wants to list the next 10 pages explaining the health benefits of cannabis? :)
A close family member actually has a medical MJ card. I can tell you that after many many surgeries she has never been out of pain. They kept having to increase her medication over and over and move to stronger and stronger meds as she would have to take fist fulls of pills just to get any pain relief. She was to the point they were giving her Methadone. Finally when the laws changed she got the medical MJ card. MJ is the only thing that helps her with the pain.
I do see both sides of the story, trust me I do.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: nectarsis on April 23, 2010, 10:33:22 AM
There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.
This I find HIGHLY dubious :P
According to Keranu, Marijuana cannot intoxicate you. But in real life here on planet Earth, it can indeed intoxicate you and when you are intoxicated, no matter what you used to get that way, you run a very large risk of getting into a wreck and killing people. MJ slows your reaction time. Keranu has not studied every single car accident that has taken place. Although I think it should be legalized, I do think that it should be illegal to drive while intoxicated with anything, be it alcohol, marijuana, prescription drugs, cough syrup, etc. Driving while under the influence of ANY substance is evil. I have no respect for people who chose to drive this way. Their lives have no value.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2010, 04:09:42 PM
There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.
This I find HIGHLY dubious :P
According to Keranu, Marijuana cannot intoxicate you. But in real life here on planet Earth, it can indeed intoxicate you and when you are intoxicated, no matter what you used to get that way, you run a very large risk of getting into a wreck and killing people. MJ slows your reaction time. Keranu has not studied every single car accident that has taken place. Although I think it should be legalized, I do think that it should be illegal to drive while intoxicated with anything, be it alcohol, marijuana, prescription drugs, cough syrup, etc. Driving while under the influence of ANY substance is evil. I have no respect for people who chose to drive this way. Their lives have no value.
"Don't knock it until you try it" as they say. NO I'm not recommending people to drive while blazed :D . But driving under the influence of marijuana makes the driver take caution rather than take risks like alcohol influence does. Marijuana doesn't affect motor coordination nearly as bad as alcohol does either. Some fun facts - http://www.nuffy.net/articles/how-marijuana-effects-your-driving-performance.html This guy actually managed to drive safer while high than he did sober! (Again, not recommending -- I swear!)
I have an experiment for you Joe. Buy some weed and pick out a video game from your collection that you've had trouble beating (well the game you're least good at since you're a gaming wiz 8)). After smoking (or in your case, vaporizing/eating), give that challenging game another shot. You may be surprised by the results :) .
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: oldskool on April 23, 2010, 05:22:57 PM
I'll let Keranu be my spokesperson for the rest of the thread.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Keranu on April 23, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
I have an experiment for you Joe. Buy some weed and pick out a video game from your collection that you've had trouble beating (well the game you're least good at since you're a gaming wiz 8)). After smoking (or in your case, vaporizing/eating), give that challenging game another shot. You may be surprised by the results :) .
What you're suggesting here, Keranu, sounds similar to the strategy I used the first time I cleared Image Fight... I would play a bit.... then when I got demoralized my wife would play a couple credits, and watching her get creamed seemed to energize me for another go!!
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Turbo D on April 23, 2010, 06:58:44 PM
Ragtime is right, having sex with your wife makes you better @ videogames.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 23, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
Keranu, you may be right about the affects of weed and my gaming abilities... I can't say (and don't really have any burning desire to find out). But to say that no accident has ever been the result of someone driving under the influence of weed is ridiculous. It doesn't affect everyone the same way. Just because George Burns lived for 6,000 years doesn't mean that others won't get mouth cancer from smoking cigars. Weed can be abused, just like alcohol. Yes, the affects are different, but it can still be abused.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: ceti alpha on April 24, 2010, 02:26:20 AM
If weed was ever legalized there would have to be laws in place to stop people from driving under the influence. Here in Canada, the police are already looking out for people who may be "red-eyed". That said, weed is definitely less powerful a drug than alcohol. However, you can buy some crazy weed that will knock your socks off (I just ordered some online actually heh) and the last thing you would want to be doing is driving immediately after smoking it. Also, it takes far less time for the effects of weed to wear off than alcohol.
On the hierarchy of drugs weed sits around caffeine. I've had a few shots of espresso and been shaking from the caffeine.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 26, 2010, 02:34:56 AM
then they will have to make laws for driving while stoned.
You're kidding, right? Every state has already amended their laws from 'driving while intoxicated' to 'driving under the influence', which generally means being under the influence of any substance that impairs your abilities.
But driving under the influence of marijuana makes the driver take caution rather than take risks like alcohol influence does. Marijuana doesn't affect motor coordination nearly as bad as alcohol does either.
If it's not as impairing as being drunk, then it's 100% safe? :roll:
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 26, 2010, 06:06:49 AM
well there is a legal limit for alcohol,
is there a legal limit for dope?
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 26, 2010, 06:35:34 AM
I don't think any states have set a THC blood level, but they rather leave it up to the officer to determine if you are impaired, much like they do in absence of a breathalyzer.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Vecanti on April 26, 2010, 06:51:44 AM
If it's not as impairing as being drunk, then it's 100% safe? :roll:
What's funny is in Oregon they have banned "holding your cellphone" while driving. So you have to use a handsfree device.
Problem is even myself, and I've seen people waiting at a red light miss that it has already turned green for example, get more distracted trying to get a wired handsfree headset untangled and plugged in when the phone rings or people messing with their bluetooth headsets of bluetooth speaker phone devices trying to get them to work.
People seem way more distracted trying get these things to function, drive, AND talk as opposed to just talking and driving.
I think that law took us backwards. Either let people talk or don't. This handsfree thing is more dangerous in my opinion. Would be interesting to see real data on it.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 26, 2010, 06:52:30 AM
yeah, but a lot of times that shit ends up being thrown out in court because the officer who caught you don't show up, and then they have no numerical data to back up how toasted you were...
so it's the word of mouth of an non present officer, and then you get off on a technicality, etc.
kind of stupid, but thats the way it goes around here sometimes.
one time someone got out of a DUI + huge accident because before they tested the guys blood for alcohol, they used alcohol prep pads to prepare the area, and it was argued that it contaminated the reading. -_-
What's funny is in Oregon they have banned "holding your cellphone" while driving. So you have to use a handsfree device.
Problem is even myself, and I've seen people waiting at a red light miss that it has already turned green for example, get more distracted trying to get a wired handsfree headset untangled and plugged in when the phone rings or people messing with their bluetooth headsets of bluetooth speaker phone devices trying to get them to work.
People seem way more distracted trying get these things to function, drive, AND talk as opposed to just talking and driving.
I think that law took us backwards. Either let people talk or don't. This handsfree thing is more dangerous in my opinion. Would be interesting to see real data on it.
Some cities have that law here by me too. They did a study that showed that a lot of people lack the coordination to hold the phone, focus on the talking, and the driving all at once, and thats why they banned it.
Some people DO actually possess the coordination to do it, but most don't....
a hands-free setup, assuming you're not messy, lets you press button and talk while still focusing on the road.
It becomes about the same as having a passenger to talk to.
now, if you are one of those people who tangles all your wires, throws shit all over the car, and fumbles around with everything while driving, .... it isn't going to work out for you, lol. :)
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: ceti alpha on April 26, 2010, 07:15:49 AM
The problem with dope testing is that THC stays in your system for months. So, even you took a small toke at some party three months ago you would still test positive for marijuana.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 26, 2010, 07:31:56 AM
I don't think any states have set a THC blood level, but they rather leave it up to the officer to determine if you are impaired, much like they do in absence of a breathalyzer.
Which is always risky because then there is a lack of proof other than the officers experience with impared individuals and Dept. training. Lawyers could have a field day with that.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 26, 2010, 07:41:31 AM
yeah man lawyers eat that shit up like free cake
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 26, 2010, 08:53:43 AM
yeah, but a lot of times that shit ends up being thrown out in court because the officer who caught you don't show up, and then they have no numerical data to back up how toasted you were...
so it's the word of mouth of an non present officer, and then you get off on a technicality, etc.
kind of stupid, but thats the way it goes around here sometimes.
It's not a stupid technicality, it's the Bill of Rights. The Sixth Amendment allows the accused to confront the witnesses against them, so even if a breathalyzer test was given, the officer must show up for trial.
Which is always risky because then there is a lack of proof other than the officers experience with impared individuals and Dept. training. Lawyers could have a field day with that.
Not really. The officer's judgment is only used in the field to determine if a blood test is warranted, so it's no riskier than with booze where the officer's judgment must be relied upon to determine if there's probable cause to administer a breathalyzer/blood test or even to pull 'em over in the first place.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Keranu on April 26, 2010, 09:31:51 AM
But driving under the influence of marijuana makes the driver take caution rather than take risks like alcohol influence does. Marijuana doesn't affect motor coordination nearly as bad as alcohol does either.
If it's not as impairing as being drunk, then it's 100% safe? :roll:
I never said it was you sneaky robot devil :D !
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 26, 2010, 09:32:19 AM
yeah, but a lot of times that shit ends up being thrown out in court because the officer who caught you don't show up, and then they have no numerical data to back up how toasted you were...
It doesn't work that way everywhere. I can tell you that here in Vegas the officer HAS to show up to court or face disciplinary action.
Not really. The officer's judgment is only used in the field to determine if a blood test is warranted, so it's no riskier than with booze where the officer's judgment must be relied upon to determine if there's probable cause to administer a breathalyzer/blood test or even to pull 'em over in the first place.
I do agree with your point 100% I meant more towards the aspect that since a blood test would pick up the THC if you had smoked ANY time recently. I'm no expert on THC, I'm just going off what Ceti said a few posts ago.
So let's say for examples sake you smoked weed 2 days ago and yesterday you got pulled over for a DUI. You were just overly tired, eyes were red and showed similar characteristics of being high. Officer thinks your high and arrests you. They get a blood test and THC shows up in your system from two days ago. It would appear as if you were driving high when you wern't. I would think at that point it would be the officers word/experience vs. your word. Your lawyer could just say "Yes judge, he is a pothead which is why he came up positive but the night in question he was just overly tired".
A blood test for THC can tell you if they used but not when they used so wouldn't that make it easier to argue in court?
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Necromancer on April 26, 2010, 10:11:42 AM
I believe it's zero tolerance, Roy; if you have it in your system, you're guilty. Underage drinking is much the same way - if they detect any amount, you're f*cked.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: RoyVegas on April 26, 2010, 10:24:25 AM
I believe it's zero tolerance, Roy; if you have it in your system, you're guilty. Underage drinking is much the same way - if they detect any amount, you're f*cked.
That would be pretty interesting. I can see them using the blood test to prove they used drugs at some point, but they still wouldn't be able to link it to the driving..
Either way it will be interesting to see how things REALLY go in the future.
Title: Re: Reefer Madness
Post by: Arkhan on April 26, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
I believe it's zero tolerance, Roy; if you have it in your system, you're guilty. Underage drinking is much the same way - if they detect any amount, you're f*cked.
yes, this could go poorly if dope smoking is legalized. People will toke up, a week later crash their car, and test positive even if they're clean, just because the cop was "suspicious" about it.