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Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 15, 2005, 12:13:45 AM
Take a look for yourself:

(http://www.pcecp.com/.img/PCE/v/vasteel2/badsys.jpg)

Looks a helluva lot like Adol, yet the screen doesn't mention anything about it. It could be a SD version of the main character, except with red hair but I don't know. This game is also not made by Falcom or even Hudson Soft, quite strange.

And as far as other Adol sighting go, hehe, did anyone catch that total Adol character walking around in some town in Lunar for Sega CD? I took a screenshot of it once and cut the sprite out along with the Ys Book I & II sprite of Adol and compared them in one image and actually sent Working Designs and email about it. I have it on the net, but I can't link the image. I'll try posting it later.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 15, 2005, 12:19:04 AM
Well it appears the the picture isn't showing anymore, but check out the PC Engine Catalog (http://www.pcecp.com/index.php?mode=home) and search for "Vasteel II" in the catalog search and click on "Images". You might need to be a registered user to see this picture though.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: twor2005 on July 15, 2005, 06:39:19 AM
I'd like to see the Lunar thing, sounds neat. As for Vasteel, its probably just the red haired girl pictured on the back of the box. Does look like Adol's clothing colors though.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: lord_cack on July 15, 2005, 09:19:48 AM
It appears that a lot of the pictures on PCECP are down  :? hmmmm
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: nodtveidt on July 15, 2005, 01:59:05 PM
The pictures aren't down, they return a 403 if remote-linked. And that's not Adol whatsoever...sorry K. :D
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 17, 2005, 01:24:37 PM
Uh, I believe that's a pic of the chick in the game, just look at the front or back covers.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 17, 2005, 04:08:23 PM
One reason why I am not fond of anime in particular: MALES AND FEMALES LOOK THE SAME!
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: twor2005 on July 20, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
Ok well since this is basically resolved, anyone care to comment on Vasteel 2? I really enjoyed the first one though I haven't played it in a long time, and it gets really tough. People think Fire Emblem on the GBA is tough today  :lol:

But anyway I'd to hear some opinions/thoughts/discussion on Vasteel 1 or 2. Any reason to pick it up besides the possibility of ogling a "femme" Adol?  :wink: I bet Dogi would like this game. :twisted:
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 21, 2005, 02:24:55 AM
I've never even played the first Vasteel yet, but I'm dying to. It looks really fun and unique. By the way, have you played it with two players? I am curious to see how that is!
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: twor2005 on July 21, 2005, 07:15:59 AM
Quote from: "Keranu"
I've never even played the first Vasteel yet, but I'm dying to. It looks really fun and unique. By the way, have you played it with two players? I am curious to see how that is!


Yeah its pretty good that way I think. Kind of like playing a board game though because it takes  so long. A single turn (for both players) can take 40 minutes. Which is a drawback to the single player game since you're sitting there waiting for the computer to move every piece.

Its amazing how much  PCM voice is in that game. There are detailed voice descriptions of every mech.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 21, 2005, 10:17:54 AM
Yes I have read about all the voices in the game. Sounds like quite an amazing game that I would love. It can be quite rare to find online to buy these days, but it doesn't seem to get terribly expensive or anything.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: nodtveidt on July 22, 2005, 10:24:12 AM
Vasteel is one of the coolest strategy games ever made, hands down. IMO, it makes all these wanabe RTS games look like chump change...I've never seen a game quite like it. There's even a bit of "local" humour in the US version, stabbing at previous WD titles (like an ATAC called a "Galam", with the description that starts with "Just ask Van and he'll tell you that Galam is one tough fighter"). The game's tough at first because you have to learn both the strategy element and the arcade element (how many other strategy games have you duke it out like in this game? To my knowledge...zero) but once you play for awhile and learn how each ATAC performs (like using Leeches in deep sea or using Snowbears in the icy cold areas...also, missle firing rates, gun damage, gun range and angle, front/rear damage percentages, and my favourite...learning how to use city defenses to wipe out the enemy without shooting a single missle or bullet or using the "pause-fire" flaw to destroy invaders of unprotected cities), making your way through the game becomes a simple matter of paying attention. Battleship-to-battleship combat is something I still can't quite figure out though...so I keep my battleships off of the front line and let my strongest ATACs attack battleships instead (imagine taking down a 6 battery battleship with a Scout...yep, I've done it before :) ).
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 22, 2005, 11:10:13 AM
Hehe, nice CF2 reference. I have noticed in a lot of Working Design ports that the names "Abel" and "Galam" are used often.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 22, 2005, 02:26:29 PM
Don't forget the guy in Lunar 2 for PSX that mentions Guy Kazama, & how "stingy" he is or something like that :lol:   It's a shame that Vasteel 2 doesn't let you play as the robots!
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: esteban on July 22, 2005, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: "nodtveidt"
Vasteel is one of the coolest strategy games ever made, hands down. IMO, it makes all these wanabe RTS games look like chump change...I've never seen a game quite like it. There's even a bit of "local" humour in the US version, stabbing at previous WD titles (like an ATAC called a "Galam", with the description that starts with "Just ask Van and he'll tell you that Galam is one tough fighter"). The game's tough at first because you have to learn both the strategy element and the arcade element (how many other strategy games have you duke it out like in this game? To my knowledge...zero) but once you play for awhile and learn how each ATAC performs (like using Leeches in deep sea or using Snowbears in the icy cold areas...also, missle firing rates, gun damage, gun range and angle, front/rear damage percentages, and my favourite...learning how to use city defenses to wipe out the enemy without shooting a single missle or bullet or using the "pause-fire" flaw to destroy invaders of unprotected cities), making your way through the game becomes a simple matter of paying attention. Battleship-to-battleship combat is something I still can't quite figure out though...so I keep my battleships off of the front line and let my strongest ATACs attack battleships instead (imagine taking down a 6 battery battleship with a Scout...yep, I've done it before :) ).
Right on. :)  Vasteel owes a LOT to the ARCHON formula (strategy + arcade action after moving).  There should be more games that use this formula, because it really is a nice balance. Unfortunately, designers / gamers often think that strategy and arcade skills are mutually exclusive categories!

To the person who asked about Vasteel 1 and 2: Vasteel 1 is great for all the reasons nodtveidt pointed out, PLUS it has icing on the cake: AWESOME soundtrack (space jazz muzak). Not everyone's cup of tea, I'm sure, but I really dug it (it was a nice change of pace).  The arcade battles are pretty easy, though, so you may want to handicap yourself by setting battles to "auto" and allowing the the AI to (poorly) fight on your behalf.  

Vasteel 2 -- I've never really gotten into it -- it lacks the charm of its predecessor and uses a different gameplay formula (i.e. no arcade action).

P.S. I love all the funny references you folks found in these games.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: GUTS on July 22, 2005, 09:08:24 PM
Haha I remember the soundtrack to Vasteel was so awful I couldn't bring myself to play it.  The turbo chip generated music wasn't as bad, but that jazz was just horrible!
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: twor2005 on July 22, 2005, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: "GUTS"
Haha I remember the soundtrack to Vasteel was so awful I couldn't bring myself to play it.  The turbo chip generated music wasn't as bad, but that jazz was just horrible!


Oh yeah the jazz was seen as somewhat ridiculous. I like the idea though, given the slow pace of the game. Edge of your seat music seems like it would get old fast. I'll have to restart the game and try the PCM soundtrack to remind myself what it sounds like.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 23, 2005, 01:08:37 AM
I am curious to how this game sounds.

And thanks for the Guy Kazama reference in Lunar 2! I didn't catch that when I played it years ago because I didn't even know who Guy Kazama was! I'll be sure to look out for him the next time I play.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 23, 2005, 10:37:22 AM
The jazz is awesome actually, but I don't think it fits all the scenes, either way though, fantastic soundtrack!  Yeah, the guy who mentions Guy, is in the BIG town, which in the first game, that fat kid decided to set up shop, it starts with an m, but it's in the 2nd game where he mentions Guy.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Paladin on July 23, 2005, 10:45:59 AM
That town would be Meribia. In the second game its by Taben's Peak. I didn't realize that line was in there. I'm going to have to play Lunar 2 up to that point again. Is it just in the PSX verison or is it in the Sega CD one as well?
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: esteban on July 23, 2005, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: "Paladin"
That town would be Meribia. In the second game its by Taben's Peak. I didn't realize that line was in there. I'm going to have to play Lunar 2 up to that point again. Is it just in the PSX verison or is it in the Sega CD one as well?
Seriously! It would be great to document this! WD ruled...
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 23, 2005, 01:04:45 PM
:oops:   I've never player thru the Sega CD version, since I got a Sega CD waaaaaay late in the game.  So, as far as I know, it's only in the PSX version.  The guy if I remember correctly, is more to the bottom right, near the docks.
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: zborgerd on July 25, 2005, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: "ParanoiaDragon"
The jazz is awesome actually, but I don't think it fits all the scenes, either way though, fantastic soundtrack!  Yeah, the guy who mentions Guy, is in the BIG town, which in the first game, that fat kid decided to set up shop, it starts with an m, but it's in the 2nd game where he mentions Guy.


I also liked the soundtrack.  I thought it was unique and nice to listen to.

I really liked tracks 7 and 8.  Has a nice big band sound to it.  There are also a few rockin' synth/guitar songs that sound similar to something you'd hear in Castlevania or Gradius.  Most of the soundtrack actually isn't Jazz at all, but rather standard videogame-style tunes.

The game has some of the worst voice acting that has ever come out of Working Designs HQ though.  :)
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: zborgerd on July 25, 2005, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: "Keranu"
I am curious to how this game sounds.


You've twisted my arm.  :)

http://www.borgerding.org/vasteel.zip

I've ripped all of the audio tracks from the CD (including the voice acting) into OGG Vorbis format (Sorry -  I only use FLAC and OGG here).

For those that are unfamiliar with the Vorbis format (better quality, royalty free, smaller files), you'll need to download Windows codecs.

http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ (for Directshow codecs for Windows Media Player)
or
http://www.vorbis.com/download_win_1.0.1.psp (For Windows programs that play OGG Vorbis).

More info:  http://windowsxp.mvps.org/ogg.htm
Title: Adol in Vasteel II wrong system card screen?
Post by: Keranu on July 25, 2005, 02:54:00 PM
Excellent! I'll give it a listen and post what I think :D .