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Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on July 15, 2005, 02:19:34 AM
Anyone play fighting games competitively in groups? If so what games y'all play and what character's you use?
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (MAME Kaillera) -Guy -Rolento -Zangief
Hyper SF2 -Ryu -Ken
SF3: 3rd Strike -Yun (I LOVE hearing at least a few dozen people shouting AY! AY! AY! AY! AAAYYYY!!!!! in unison everytime Yun juggles somebody with Super Art #3) -Ken -Makoto
King of Fighters (particularly 98, 2k, 2k1, 2k2, 2k3)
Guilty Gear XX #Reload -Sol -Anji -Johnny -Jam -Currently learning Axl Low (bomber loops are hard to do on my sticks)
EDIT: if I hear about the upcoming Guilty Gear XX Slash coming to PS2, I'm gonna be the first to plunk down my bucks to import it)
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on July 15, 2005, 02:50:19 AM
I used to be REALLY into fighting games a few years ago, but now I just try to focus on all sorts of classic gaming.
My all time favorite fighting game is The King of Fighters '98, mainly because of the hardcore, technical, in-depth gameplay and the huge character list. When it comes to the playability, this game is pretty much as perfect as it can get. Characters are balanced extremely well, tons of manuever variations, a flawless amount of different moves, an excellent combo structure, etc.... Besides the gameplay, it's not really a "great" game, but that doesn't matter because the gameplay is near perfection.
My favorite KoF characters: Benimaru, Yamazaki (ultimate fighting designed character in any game), Kyo, Ryo, Saisyu, Takuma, Athena, Kensou, and even Chizuru (who most people HATE). Pretty much every character is good in this game because it's so well balanced.
Other favorite fighting games of mine: Street Fighter II (specifically Super Street Fighter II and Super Street Fighter II Turbo), SNK vs Capcom: Match of the Millenium (Best pocket fighting game out there. Simply amazing!), Fatal Fury Special, Street Fighter Alpha 3, KoF'97, KoF'2k2, KoF'2k1 (Well sort of. I just like going into practice mode and pulling off huge combos with the strikers and infinites), Last Blade 1 and 2, X-Men vs Street Fighter (The only game in the Marvel vs Capcom series that I like. I can't stand some of the others.), Garou: Mark of the Wolves (Well this game is both good and bad to me.).
Favorite Street Fighter characters - Guile, Ken, Zangief, Guy, Rolento, and more.
Fatal Fury Special - Jubei, Geese, Duck King.
SvC: Match of the Millenium - Zangief (Zangief plays amazing on the NGPC click stick. You can combo in his throws with no problems!), Kyo, Ryo, Iori/Evil Iori, Ken, Bison (even though he is a bit cheap).
Last Blade - Moriya (similar to Yamazaki, only not quite as awesome), Lee Rekka, Kaede, that ninja dude (forgot his name, been awhile since I have played these games), Kagami.
XMvSF - Haven't played this game in a LOOONG time, so I forgot who my top tiers were. I believe Ken, Gambit, and Wolverine were characters I enjoyed using. Charlie too, of course.
Garou - Rock Howard (Awesome character. Nothing cooler than Geese mixed with Terry), Marco Rodriguez (Or "Butt", hahaha.), Kim Jong Il (or maybe it was the other Kim-like character).
Fighting games rule, but they can be pretty deadly in real life and cause some actual fights, which is another reason why I don't play them as much I used to anymore :roll: . Competition can get brudle. One time I was wipping my cousin's ass in KoF'98 so hard (like a 20-30 win streak) and he was getting so pissed off that he actually CRIED, hahaha. That felt really weird for me.
Do you have a fast connection, Ninja Spirit? Maybe we could play some of these games on Kaillera sometime.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2005, 03:36:18 AM
As a side note, shouldn't this go under the other heading, General Systems, but besides....hmmm
Well, I play mainly the fighters on the PCE, so thats Fatal Fury Special and I like Terry Boggard, Street Fighter II Champion Edition and I use Ken, World Heroes II generally Lee, but haven't messed around enough really, Art of Fighting I use Ryo but generelly that game isn't really good enough to play.
Now as for other games, when I played the latest Mortal Kombat I play as Baraka, Def Jam New York I like Henery Rollins, mainly because he's bad ass....I don't play alot of modern fighters...I like Tekken a little, I play as Jin, never played any incarnation of VF series or the Guilt Gear series...I guess fighters have just gotten to complicated for me...sad but true...
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on July 15, 2005, 04:19:34 AM
Quote from: "Keranu"
Do you have a fast connection, Ninja Spirit? Maybe we could play some of these games on Kaillera sometime.
Big chance I might this weekend. School stuff during the week. You'll see me there as "Dynamo Man". Hopefully there's good latency on our new wireless router. The Neo Geo stuff can be stubborn on my MAME most of the time. Pretty much all the Neo geo games act like they don't have ROMs for them. Hell I don't even know how to get games like SvC Chaos, Samurai Shodown Zero/5, and King of Fighters 2001-3 to work on MAME.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on July 15, 2005, 04:29:23 AM
I added you to my AIM buddy list a few hours ago, Ninja Spirit. I'll contact you if I ever see 'ya online and we can try to make plans for something then. I have been downloading some of the arcade fighting game ROMs that I have lost for years now. I'll have to practice some of these games too since I am more than likely quite rusty.
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Def Jam New York I like Henery Rollins, mainly because he's bad ass
Are you f*ing serious about Henry Rollings being in that game!? That kicks so much ass! Henry Rollins is on my list of the top most badass people to ever live.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: GUTS on July 15, 2005, 08:20:29 AM
Haha I think it's Henry Rollins, not Rollings.
Keranu you use Yamazaki? Man his portrait in Capcom Vs SNK 2 was so awesome, it looked like he was terrified of something. He was a total joke in that game cause he always looked so damn scared, my roommate used to pick him just because it was so hilarious.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on July 15, 2005, 09:02:30 AM
Shit I can't believe I put a "G" in "Rollins"!
Anyways, hell yeah I use Yamazaki and I can't quite remember how is picture looked in CvS2, I would have to load the game up to see (not a big CvS2 fan). Yamazaki was brilliantly designed; both in fighting wise and design wise as you mentioned. He is the ultimately defense and fooling character. However Yamazaki really requires the SNK four buttons in a row style because using a typical Playstation button layout absolutely kills his snake arm moves.
The awesome thing about Yamazaki is that you can hold your snake arms for so long to trick people and can cancel with "D" whenever you want. If you were charging your snake arm, the typical person playing you would figure "Hey since I know he is going to do a snake arm, I'll just fireball his ass!" but NOPE! A Yamazaki player would know to cancel his snake arm and either blast that fireball back with his QCB+C or absorb it for life with QCB+A. Lets say the opponent does get past Yamazaki's snake arms, then Yamazaki could simply do his HCB+Kick move to taunt the person so when the person attacks, Yamazaki autmatically counters their attack making them feel like a dumbass preschool boy. Of course there are other things you can do in this situation, such as trying to get your chance to combo the opponent, using a CD, or using his QCB+K move.
Yamazaki was just a genius idea. No one can quite match his perfect style, unless maybe your a really good Geese Howard player. Geese Howard is another DEADLY character if you have practiced enough with him. I need more practice with Geese though because it can be hard to get used to timing his throws perfectly. A good friend of mine is an excellent Geese player and he'll throw anything he can get his hands on, even the most powerful supers (or DM/SDMs in KoF).
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on July 16, 2005, 04:05:25 AM
I would also love to mention here than the USA Team in KoF'94 and KoF'98 is probably the most underrated group of characters in ANY fighting game. Their designs may look flat out stereo-typcial Americans (SNK is known to be a bit racist when designing American characters :D ), but this certainly does not stop them from being excellent characters. Brian and Lucky are actually some of the best characters in KoF'98.
Brian - The football player. Looks like a retard, but he is EFFECTIVE. A very easy to do combo with him that can take off I believe 50-75% life is J., QCB+C, S.C, HCF+C. If you hit someone with the J. QCB+C move, then you can easily follow up on the rest of the combo, and it can be pretty easy to even hit someone with the J. QCB+C move. An excellent character with one of the best combos in the game.
Heavy D! - Okay this is the weakest guy in the bunch, but he's not such a bad character. His QCB+A and QCB+C moves can be quite nice to deceive people with. Also his QCFx2+C move is very damaging if it hits. However his combos are pretty weak and he doesn't have the greatest offense and defense. Still not a bad character though.
Lucky - Alright the black man of the game that plays basketball; no it's not stereo-typical at all, SNK! Anyways, Lucky is an amazing character. You can fool the HELL out of someone with all of his basketball moves. Not only is he deceiving, but he's quite powerful too when you are attacking someone. A badass character.
By the way, has anyone ever tried using one of Lucky's D.D+A, B, C, or D moves into a combo? Instead of a ball dropping, Lucky fakes it out and punches the person in the face instead. Quite funny, actually.
And as far as another underrated character goes, I'd say Chizuru can be quite dangerous too. A nice list of confusing moves, some above average combos, and an excellent CD.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: nodtveidt on July 16, 2005, 07:55:21 AM
Pretty much all the teams in KOF'98 are good, I particularly like the USA team myself, and of course, the Orochi team (I'm sure they have another name that my ignorant American ass doesn't know, hehe). Chizuru is one of my favorite characters to play in KOF'97 (the Kyo-Iori-Chizuru teamup in '97 has the coolest ending). That series though...I just dislike how they kept on reusing Rugal...he's been in what, five games now as the final boss?
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on July 16, 2005, 08:39:24 AM
I am glad to see another Chizuru fan out there!
The funny thing about Rugal is that he is actually one of, if not, the worst character in KoF'98. His reaction time after pulling off a move is so slow that the opponent easily has the advantage to severely strike Rugal down. The only good thing about him really is his unblockable super, but that can be easily avoidable. His shield can also come in lots of handy against some players though :D . But of course you may as well choose Athena for that since she has a shield and a whole bunch of other stuff to offer that Rugal doesn't.
By the way, the Orochi team is pretty good to as you mentioned. Chris, especially, is a fantastic fighter. Their alternate Orochi versions in KoF'98 are quite good too, especially Orochi Yashiro who can be damaging.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 03, 2005, 07:35:01 AM
*Phoenix Down* (heh I feel weird posting a Final Fantasy reference on a PCE/Turbo board :lol: )
Thank god for Youtube.com. Now I got a place to put my long overdue match videos.
Anyway got a handful of fighting game match videos for y'all to enjoy, Guilty Gear XX/XX#R and Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike to be exact. All videos recorded and made by yours truly.
Guilty Gear XX ------------------ All this from a tournament we threw at my local arcade at the mall. They're nice matches but I'd say don't expect to feel the heat from watching GGXX matches recorded in Japan. Most fighter afficionados know that the Japanese straight up OWN in this game.
Guilty Gear XX #Reload ---------------------------- For some that don't understand what "#Reload" means, things are different compared to the other version of GGXX in the previous videos. Character balances were tweaked which means some characters that were considered overpowered and broken on XX would make him either suck or even deadlier. And roman canceling timing was changed. These match videos were taken from the Korean version, which is totally different from the Japanese version as far as music and voices go.
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike --------------------------
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 03, 2005, 04:42:05 PM
Just checked out all the Third Strike videos, some funny commentary on them, with the whole "wet pants" thing :lol: . I assume you weren't playing in these, right Ninja? Anyways, that Yun player was pretty good, his skills showed a lot more in the second video. I really like that super he chains into and everyone yells "HEY! HEY! HEY! HEY! HEY!", good stuff :D . There is a special joy when playing fighting games with friends at the arcade where you can become one with the joystick and talk to your friend casually while focusing on the game at the same time... such a great feeling. I should build a new joystick and get into fighting games again, it's a nice world of gaming and keeps the arcades alive.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 04, 2005, 08:39:52 AM
Time Killers I use Rancid when ever I play against someone. On about any KOF I will automatically use the AOF team of that game,except on rare occasions that I will use whatever team King is in,when playing others. S SF 2 Turbo on up to Alpha 3 and Third Strike,Ima Akuma player. X-Men vs Sf I use Akuma and Sabretooth. Fatal Fury Special I use Geese Howard,and KOF 96 if I somehow manage to lose with the AOF team,Ill use Geese Howards team. On MK 1 and 2 I use Johnny Cage and Scorpion. MK 3 I use Kabal,Kano,and Sub Zero. War Gods I use Pagan.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 04, 2005, 08:53:34 AM
Nope wasn't playing. In the Korean Guilty Gear XX #R videos, that was my Johnny that won and the Sol that lost against Slayer. I am the cameraman in all the live match videos, and the loudest one out of the group yelling "HEY! HEY! HEY!" everytime the hits from that super move linked. it's one of those love it or hate it kind of stuff. some think it's annoying and think people that do that are "Japanophiles" (I despise that word with a passion), some think it's just fun silly stuff. It is true, the Japanese picked that cheer up from Muay Thai Kickboxing fights from Thailand (watch Van Damme's "Kickboxer" films) and implemented it into fighting games during long combos and juggle links. Then when Evolution 2003 came around, the Americans were introduced to that cheer during the finals as a Japanese Yun player called "K.O." battled his way to 1st place for 3rd Strike, bumping Daigo Umehara (the guy who fully parried Chun Li's super) to 2nd place.
Speaking of that, anyone familiar with the name "Justin Wong"? I kinda know him. One of the highest ranked players in the USA. Until a few months back, he was the most feared player in the game Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes. For 2 or 3 years he won every tournament in MvC2 he came across.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: TR0N on December 04, 2005, 11:24:18 PM
Last Blade, that's the only fighter i've been playing as of late.
I'm just been expermenting with Zantetsu for now.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 05, 2005, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: "Ninja Spirit"
Nope wasn't playing. In the Korean Guilty Gear XX #R videos, that was my Johnny that won and the Sol that lost against Slayer. I am the cameraman in all the live match videos, and the loudest one out of the group yelling "HEY! HEY! HEY!" everytime the hits from that super move linked. it's one of those love it or hate it kind of stuff. some think it's annoying and think people that do that are "Japanophiles" (I despise that word with a passion), some think it's just fun silly stuff. It is true, the Japanese picked that cheer up from Muay Thai Kickboxing fights from Thailand (watch Van Damme's "Kickboxer" films) and implemented it into fighting games during long combos and juggle links. Then when Evolution 2003 came around, the Americans were introduced to that cheer during the finals as a Japanese Yun player called "K.O." battled his way to 1st place for 3rd Strike, bumping Daigo Umehara (the guy who fully parried Chun Li's super) to 2nd place.
Wow, I had no idea that the "HEY!" thing had such a story, thanks for the background info :D . As you can see, I have been pretty inactive in the fighting area for a few years now, hehe.
Quote from: "Ninja Spirit"
Speaking of that, anyone familiar with the name "Justin Wong"? I kinda know him. One of the highest ranked players in the USA. Until a few months back, he was the most feared player in the game Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes. For 2 or 3 years he won every tournament in MvC2 he came across.
Haven't heard of him, but I also hate MvC2 and tend to stay away from it whenever possible, so that's probably why.
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Last Blade, that's the only fighter i've been playing as of late.
I'm just been expermenting with Zantetsu for now.
Ah, excellent game. Last Blade 2 is a little better in the gameplay department, but it totally lacks the level of sweet backgrounds and music that the first one had. Zantetsu is a pretty sweet character to play with, he's a great speed character. My favorite character though is probably Moriya and if you guys know who Yamazaki is in Fatal Fury and KoF and have read this thread earlier of me talking about him, then you'll know why I love Moriya :D . Moriya has a major defense of attack that's just like Yamazaki's snake arm. Not only does this give Moriya great defense, but he also has a nice variety of offensive moves which can give him some very powerful combos, making him a great power and speed player.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: esteban on December 05, 2005, 06:15:14 PM
Quote from: "Ninja Spirit"
It is true, the Japanese picked that cheer up from Muay Thai Kickboxing fights from Thailand (watch Van Damme's "Kickboxer" films) and implemented it into fighting games during long combos and juggle links.
I loved this movie when it came out. I still love it.
"I'll show you a thing or two, American a$$hole." I love that line. I'm pretty sure it's in Kickboxer, though it might be another Van Damme movie :)
Supposedly, Van Damme was did everything he could to promote Kickboxer... like putting flyers everywhere (in L.A. ? perhaps). This was his first film and he had nothing to lose.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: TR0N on December 05, 2005, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: "Keranu"
Quote from: "Tron"
Last Blade, that's the only fighter i've been playing as of late.
I'm just been expermenting with Zantetsu for now.
Ah, excellent game. Last Blade 2 is a little better in the gameplay department, but it totally lacks the level of sweet backgrounds and music that the first one had. Zantetsu is a pretty sweet character to play with, he's a great speed character. My favorite character though is probably Moriya and if you guys know who Yamazaki is in Fatal Fury and KoF and have read this thread earlier of me talking about him, then you'll know why I love Moriya :D . Moriya has a major defense of attack that's just like Yamazaki's snake arm. Not only does this give Moriya great defense, but he also has a nice variety of offensive moves which can give him some very powerful combos, making him a great power and speed player.
That's what i like about, LB1 it has more personality then what, LB2 does.
Btw yeah, Moriya is great he's good for "beginers" just like with Kade and body can use those two :wink:
The most fun character i've used for far on LB is, Akari to her moves and the way she acts is.. just so silly :lol:
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 06, 2005, 10:59:16 AM
I wouldn't say Moriya is for beginners, in fact I like to consider no character in a serious gameplay fighting game is specifically for beginners just because a well made fighting game like KoF'98 is going to require lots of practice no matter who the character. I would even put Moriya more on the advance user side just because it takes some skill and reflexes to defend with his snake-arms esque attack! Akari is an interesting character. Her DP+any attack moves used to confuse the hell out of me and other people, but after practicing you know how to easily block those damn things! I'm not very fond of her overall though, she's a rather weak character if you ask me. One EXCELLENT offensive character is Lee Rekka, what a combo monster! That guy can do some serious damage!
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: TR0N on December 07, 2005, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: "Keranu"
I wouldn't say Moriya is for beginners, in fact I like to consider no character in a serious gameplay fighting game is specifically for beginners just because a well made fighting game like KoF'98 is going to require lots of practice no matter who the character.
Well Moriya seem not hard for me to use period.
Then again i've been playing fighters so long that's probably why.
Btw i try not to over analyze fighters.... to much these days, if i did i wouldn't enjoy them any more.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 08, 2005, 01:40:33 AM
Oh man I brought my laptop to the arcade last night (the one y'all saw in those Guilty Gear videos I posted) we was playing KoF98 and Rage of the Dragons non-stop.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 08, 2005, 12:06:24 PM
Sweet! Do you have KoF'98 videos recorded? :D
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 08, 2005, 04:48:28 PM
As a matter of fact yeah I did, but the problem is, I don't know a program that can let me record emulator movie save states.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 09, 2005, 08:11:46 AM
I have no clue if I'll ever get to play the new Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star fighter in my life ever. Mainstream American gaming is killing my chances. http://rapidshare.de/files/8847310/hk20051207_nakanosauza-_sauza-__vs_asaba_raou_.wmv.html
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: akamichi on December 09, 2005, 04:39:21 PM
I just played Fist of the North Star last night! I haven't been playing 2D fighting games much but from the stuff I read, it seems to be like Guilty Gear XX. After I tried the game, it seemed to me that they took the Guilty Gear engine and tweaked it for First of the North Star stuff.
I like the game, but I was having difficulty figuring out what the heck was happening. The computer was using the unblockable charge move on me like constantly and then following it up with some crazy combo. The place probably ramped up the difficulty.
There are like 3 or 4 indicator bars that mean something, but I don't know exactly what. One of course is a super move bar. Then there's some "Aura" bar and a number of blue stars under your life. Don't have any idea what these things are for.
I'm a fan of Fist of the North Star, but I don't really care for Guilty Gear style of play, so I'm a little torn. Definitely will need to read up on game more because it does seem like fun.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: GUTS on December 09, 2005, 05:16:48 PM
That's disappointing that it's like Guilty Gear, I was hoping it would be more like a Capcom fighter since Guilty Gear f*cking blows.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: TR0N on December 09, 2005, 05:26:44 PM
I guess i should ask has any body played KOF XI yet?
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 09, 2005, 06:31:15 PM
Nope, I still haven't even played the ones after 2003. The fighting games I mainly play are KoF'98, SF2 (any variation, I guess Super and Super Turbo mainly), SFA3, and maybe Last Blade. KoF'98 to me is the peak of fighting games. I am going to start practicing again and if anyone wants to play me in something on Kaillera, we can set arrangements :twisted: .
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 10, 2005, 02:30:16 AM
Quote from: "akamichi"
I just played Fist of the North Star last night! I haven't been playing 2D fighting games much but from the stuff I read, it seems to be like Guilty Gear XX. After I tried the game, it seemed to me that they took the Guilty Gear engine and tweaked it for First of the North Star stuff.
It's from the same people who made Guilty Gear, Arc Systems.
Quote from: "Tron"
I guess i should ask has any body played KOF XI yet?
That's being set up at my local arcade as we speak. Last night, one of my friends let me use the arcade restroom (I get to hang out with them in the arcade even after it closes) and I saw the marquees, move list and the board for it in a box. I was like "oh shit!!!" I'm definitely heading over to the mall this afternoon! I asked one of my friends to bring his camcorder. :P :P
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: akamichi on December 10, 2005, 04:10:33 AM
Quote from: "Tron"
I guess i should ask has any body played KOF XI yet?
I played it a few times. I don't like KOF as much as I used to. KOF2002 was the last one I played regularly and that was because I bought the DC version.
One thing that annoys me with the new KOFs is that SNK-Playmore (or whatever their name is now) changed the button layout to a square configuration. That really irks me because I really like the four buttons in-a-row style from the previous games.
I noticed that KOF XI takes an unusually long time to load the battle. I guess loading 6 characters takes a while. As for the gameplay itself, I'll pass. If you like KOF you'll probably like this game, but I've pretty much given up on the series. IMO, it's all been going downhill fast since they moved off the NeoGeo hardware.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: nodtveidt on December 10, 2005, 05:18:39 AM
KOF started going downhill after 2000, IMO. 2001 was a very cheaply made game and had even cheaper gameplay. 2000 was quite interesting; the Zero storyline was quite cool. 97 and 98 are still the crown jewels in the KOF franchise though, without a shadow of a doubt. The Orochi storyline was very neat. :) I do like 96 (Goenitz is probably the coolest boss they ever came up with), but 94 and 95 lacked polish and have that "old SNK" feel to them...aka "here's a rush-job game with the absolute cheapest gameplay you could ever want". I guess you can't always get it right on the first try. :D
The Last Blade is a very well-done game, but its sequel leaves a lot to be desired. Kaede is probably my favourite character to play in the original, especially after "awakening" him.
One often overlooked game from SNK land is Ninja Master's. Now...why they spelled it "Master's" is beyond me...that's not correct use of the apostrophe. :D But the game is very well-done and very polished. It has a very unique combo system and a very weird special system, and its two bosses are very badass. :) Definately worth looking into if you haven't ever played it.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 10, 2005, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: "Akamichi"
One thing that annoys me with the new KOFs is that SNK-Playmore (or whatever their name is now) changed the button layout to a square configuration. That really irks me because I really like the four buttons in-a-row style from the previous games.
Yes! Four buttons in a row is a MUST for me when it comes to KoF! Actually I don't really play the KoFs after '98 (although my friend who is even more into it than me insists that 2002 is better, but I haven't played it much), so maybe the gameplay won't rely on the four button in a row layout as much.
Here is my KoF review list:
KoF'94 - A start, to say the most :D . The concept of KoF was outstanding by making a fighting game combining all of these SNK characters from all sorts of games, including Ikari Warriors, Athena, Fatal Fury, etc... Anyways, this game sucks.
KoF'95 - Gameplay still sucks, but new characters and cool start for the Orochi storyline makes this game better than '94. Still nothing I'd really spend my time with.
KoF'96 - Story and character improve again (Geese, Krauser, and Mr. Big is the COOLEST team of all time, I wish they could come back!). Gameplay is starting to gain some new ideas and you can see how it's becomming a bit like the gameplay in the next two following games, but unfortunately the gameplay is still pretty ass when it comes to supers.
KoF'97 - When it comes to the best overall KoF game, this is it, no doubt. This game concludes the Orochi story and does a fantastic job, along with a great soundtrack (though they don't play music much in the game). A decent character selection is available in this game, but it's not as good as the next game to come :D and the gameplay is outstanding, but still just not quite as good as the next game to come.
KoF'98 - Alright, definitely a graphic improvement here since it's the first KoF to use GIGA Power, but the backgrounds are terrible. Music is the same as '97 for the most part, so that's a plus as well. But please, don't play a KoF game for graphics, story, music, or whatever; play it for the gameplay and this is the game to show why. This game supports a MASSIVE 38 character selection (including many extra versions, which could sort of be counted as totally different characters) with incredible balance between them all (my only exception really would be Rugal), and the same fighting system as '97. Not only that, but this game is just about bug free. There are a few infinite combos that are known, but trust me, these can't be pulled out of your ass like in KoF'2001. The gameplay is just so perfect in this game that I can't touch any other KoF game.
KoF'99 - Everything except the graphics in this game totally suck, and even the backgrounds are pretty retarded for the most part. I like to call this the worst KoF game sometimes.
KoF'2000 - Improvement over that '99 shit, but this game still isn't so great. The gameplay is just nothing compared to '97-98 still.
KoF'2001 - A VERY interesting KoF game, and made with Eolith. This is a game I just like to mess around with every now and then in Practice mode to pull off huge combos with strykers, but don't take this is a serious KoF game because this game is loaded with bugs :D .
KoF'2002 - Haven't been able to play this game a whole lot, but my KoF buddy insists that this is the best, even better than '98. This game does look promosing indeed from what I have played, but I haven't been able to put nearly enough hours into this game as I have with '98 to say it's better. Howerver it does seem to be the best KoF after '98 for sure.
KoF'2003 - Only played a few times at a arcade and it seemed pretty bad, though the graphics just keep improving.
Haven't played any KoF games after 2003 but as you can see from my point of view, the graphics have been getting amazing over the years, but the gameplay is constantly decreasing.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: nodtveidt on December 11, 2005, 01:30:53 AM
97 is the best IMO because it's the only one that actually "feels" like a tournament. Part of that is the usage of music...or the lack of music, more like! The crowd sounds, the music way off in the background in some stages (like USA and Monaco), etc. That all gives such a tournament feel to it. Also, it doesn't have the uber-dorky "taunt phrases" when you win....those are SO stupid in every fighting game that uses them. What I really thought was cool about it is that they tried to make it look sorta like a TV broadcast. The intro is definately the icing on the cake...no other KOF has such a cool intro. KOF2001's intro is pretty cool but not quite as cool...and it saddens me to think that the intro is the best part of 2001. :cry:
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 11, 2005, 05:46:20 AM
Quote from: "nodtveidt"
The intro is definately the icing on the cake...no other KOF has such a cool intro. KOF2001's intro is pretty cool but not quite as cool...and it saddens me to think that the intro is the best part of 2001. :cry:
Lemme guess. Angel's ass shot right? :lol:
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 11, 2005, 01:34:45 PM
That ass shot was super hot. Damn that was a video game chick that actually had a fine ass. I gotta have a lil thickness on my women.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 11, 2005, 06:18:34 PM
Spent alot of time on Art of Fighting 3 today.I really love the play system on this game.It really relies more on brawling then the other 2,much less projectile trowing,and the combos are great.To me it feels like the Killer Instinct of NeoGeo.So glad I bought this game!
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: nodtveidt on December 12, 2005, 11:28:50 AM
I finally had a chance to check out KOF2002 today. Definately an improvement over 2001 by leaps and bounds, but dammit...Rugal AGAIN...BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING. It was interesting up to that point. Good to be able to play the Orochi team again. :D
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 14, 2005, 03:22:04 AM
Here's a old 3rd Strike match video I dug up where the Japanese whore out that "AYE AYE AYE" alot.
Oh man! that is soooo damn funny! It's been over a year since I was introduced to that and it never gets old. Best thing since the "Mexican Wave". (http://angel.elte.hu/wave/fig/demo/simulationMovie.gif)
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 14, 2005, 12:30:13 PM
Haha, Mexican Wave. Will check out video later.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 18, 2005, 05:29:12 AM
OMG one of my friends busted out a 30 win streak on KoFXI last night! His Gato is freakin' awesome!
PS
I found what I 've been looking for for quite some time
A real Muay Thai kickboxing match with "EY's" in it.
Acutally this is Tae Kwon Do fighter against kickboxer in Helsinki Finland. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5493534041886130229&q=Muay+Thai
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: esteban on December 29, 2005, 11:09:53 AM
You folks might have seen this: http://www.cooless.com/mkvssf2.html
Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter 2 It's awesome (high production quality too!) -- and this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of the genre!
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 29, 2005, 11:56:19 AM
Haha, radical.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: TR0N on December 29, 2005, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: "stevek666"
You folks might have seen this: http://www.cooless.com/mkvssf2.html
Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter 2 It's awesome (high production quality too!) -- and this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of the genre!
Old news now when is some body gonna make a, Fatal Fury vs SF video :wink:
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 30, 2005, 07:10:14 AM
Samurai Shodown vs Last Blade.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on December 30, 2005, 07:24:39 AM
That vs thing can get a little cheesy most of the time.
I hear people going around talking about "Sammy vs. Capcom"...
I just can't see that happening.
Bare handed characters against weapon based characters? I dont know....
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on December 31, 2005, 05:48:34 PM
I agree! I was always very concerned about how Haomaru from SS would work out in CvS2 before it came out because he would have a big ass sword.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on January 04, 2006, 04:10:25 AM
Actually now that I think about it, a Samurai Shodown/Last Blade crossover would be tight. IMO for it to be a successful crossover, both series has to have the same setting, and charcters have the same nature in their fighting styles to create chemistry.
Capcom vs. SNK was successful because they were both set in modern day...EVERYWHERE. Capcom and SNK characters had things in common: >They fight with their hands and feet, some had weapons (Rolento, Billy Kane) >They throw fire or any elemental attack in any shape or form
Samurai Shodown and Last Blade were both set in ancient/feudal Japan.
So as for series such as Guilty Gear, there is no match up for a crossover, since GG provides a straight up unique fantasy based atmosphere that no other fighter has done.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on January 26, 2006, 02:16:10 AM
I swear man, getting a fighting game group in my hometown so I won't have to drive far away for real competition is not easy. Just look at this thread: http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107114
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on January 26, 2006, 08:45:16 AM
Yo Ninja, do you know Airthrow? I believe he still posts on the Shoryuken forums often and he is a big time fighting game player, along with a good friend of mine. And oh yeah, it's hard as hell for me to find good competition that's not far as well :( .
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on January 26, 2006, 12:42:31 PM
Oh snap yes I know Airthrow also. I talk to him on AIM once in awhile. I remember he too was a big Turbo/PCE freak, he may still be, but he had to sell his stuff cause he's been through quite a bit.
The reason my problems with my comp, these are guys that have never been spoonfed by advanced tactics all over the internet and had to learn characters by ear, but I still think they're good but I see further potential in them. I never seen them experience the pressure of getting caught in long combos or get wound up in a block damage trap (tournament play if you will), but yet they still get cocky and talk shit when they haven't even MET the damn people!
The people in that thread are actually the bad guys really. Some actually gave good advice on how to improve, but a majority of people that would straight up say "Your videos suck I'll pwn u!" outweighed the other half.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on January 26, 2006, 04:18:51 PM
Awesome, that's cool you know Airthrow too. I first started talking to him online since 2001 on this crappy message board called Geoshock, along with my cousin. He used to live with his grandma out here in Chicago, but moved to Seattle with his mom and lived there for awhile but he moved back with his grandma two summers again and so him, me, and my cousin would hang out often and go to arcades to play KoF or what not. Unfortunately he moved back to Seattle with his mom last October due to some personal reasons out here which I don't think he would want me to discuss. He's a awesome guy to talk to, even if he is super technical!
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on February 09, 2006, 05:48:51 PM
Anyone want to play some fighting games (or I guess any other MAME games) on Kaillera? I was playing recently with a good online friend (Kenshinsama, you know this guy, Ninja? Big KoF'98/SFA3 guy). The connection was really nice and nearly lag free, but it sucked because the game dsynched on us, no idea why. Anyways, who wants to play?
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Ninja Spirit on February 11, 2006, 03:55:56 AM
Oh damn I wish I could, for some reason, Kaillera acts pretty gay with my wireless.
Title: Fighters Thread
Post by: Keranu on February 11, 2006, 01:45:01 PM
Kaillera has been getting on my nerves lately, I think it's about time we had something new.