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Title: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Pcenginefx on May 12, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
To fans of the Neo Geo:
I am posting to ask for your help and advice for a new tribute film I am working on for the Neo Geo system. If you haven’t seen what I’ve done with the NEC consoles, please take a look at the following to get a feel for my shooting style and cinematography.
Remembrance: A NEC Console Legacy Film
The NEC PC-FX: A Retrospect
TurboExpress: A Momento
Now that you’ve seen what I’ve done for the NEC consoles, I’m branching out to other systems and I’d love to do the Neo Geo next. I personally own the Neo Geo CD (top loader) unit & CD games and I just sourced a Neo Geo AES to include in the film as well. What I would like in terms of feedback from any Neo Geo fan is what games you would love to see featured in the film. I wish to include as much gameplay footage as possible (similar to my PC-FX Retrospect film) but for time considerations can only feature up to 15 games and I want them to be the games that really capture the essence of what the Neo Geo is all about.
Please feel free to post here or even email me at pcefx@pcenginefx.com (mailto:pcefx@pcenginefx.com) with any thoughts, comments or suggestions on what you would think would make a proper Neo Geo tribute film. Thanks everyone!
-Aaron
PS: I have been trying to post this over where I should be asking this: http://www.neo-geo.com (http://www.neo-geo.com/) with no success. Shawn (the webmaster) has approved my account (multiple times) but I am still unable to get this posted in their General Discussion forums. If anyone has an account over there and could post this up that would be wonderful as I really would like to hear what the Geo community has to say before I start production on the film.
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - need your feedback!
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 12, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
The Neo Geo forums? **shudder** Maybe because it has a link it can't be posted (the forum probably thinks its spam). They are pretty special over there. Anyway, I'll send you an e-mail.
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - need your feedback!
Post by: Pcenginefx on May 12, 2010, 06:39:07 PM
When I posted the thread it told me that the message was waiting mod approval however hasn't gone through for days. That's why I contacted Shawn directly to approve my account (considering who I am, I figured he would be happy to grant me posting privileges, which he did). But I'm still having issues posting :\
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - need your feedback!
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 12, 2010, 07:25:18 PM
Ah. You have zero posts, yes? That means you probably are in a pool of new users whose posts (or threads) have to be approved (spam prevention measure). Can you post in an existing thread? Likely they are checking, but see no new threads to approve. They probably have something set wrong in the administrator control panel. Ask to have your usergroup changed to whatever the normal one is. It'll only take him a few seconds and you don't have to worry about making x amount of approved posts before getting bumped into that usergroup automatically by the forum.
Personally, I like to have a question and answer scheme set up for new registrants to avoid spam (and keep those who know nothing about the system out). But whatever floats their boat...
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Post by: rag-time4 on May 12, 2010, 07:37:13 PM
My favorite Neo Geo games are Fatal Fury 1, Nam 1975, and Ninja Combat!
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Post by: TR0N on May 12, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
Long as ya throw in magician lord for the video pcfx i'll aprove it.
Btw for not being to post yet at ng.com the approval process,has become stricter over the years.
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Post by: Pcenginefx on May 13, 2010, 04:50:12 AM
Magician Lord will most likely be the only phyical AES cart in the film so your wish is granted :)
I have also posted over at NGFL which the people over there have started sending me feedback.
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Post by: Necromancer on May 13, 2010, 05:05:05 AM
One vote here for including Twinkle Star Sprites.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on May 13, 2010, 06:42:49 AM
Magician Lord, Rage of the Dragons, KOF 95, Real Bout Special FF, Matrimelee, Baseball Stars Prof, Metal Slug (duh), and just for kickers I'd say Neo Bomberman! ;)
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Post by: RoyVegas on May 13, 2010, 07:00:45 AM
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Post by: SignOfZeta on May 13, 2010, 09:48:02 AM
To a lot of people "what the Neo Geo is all about" is King of Monsters 1, 3 Count Bout, and Art of Fighting 1 since they bought an AES instead of a MVS and that's all they can afford. Your video, IMO, should de-emphesise the flea market ghetto and focus on the really awesome stuff:
Blazing Star Rage of Dragons Real Bout 2 Magical Drop 3 Samshow 2/4 Shock Troopers 1/2 Twinkle Star Sprites KOF 98/99/2000/2002/2003 Last Blade 2 Metal Slug (take your pick, my favorite is X) Waku Waku 7 Super Baseball 2020 (one of the few $10 games I still love)
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Post by: WoodyXP on May 13, 2010, 10:01:40 AM
I'd love to see a Neo Geo tribute. On top of what everybody has suggested I'd like to see Garou: MOTW in there. 8)
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Post by: Necromancer on May 13, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
... and just for kickers I'd say Neo Bomberman! ;)
Hell yeah! For Mr. Nanto, there's probably a law mandating its inclusion.
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Post by: Pcenginefx on May 13, 2010, 12:18:01 PM
Haha....I don't want to appear biased by adding Neo Bomberman in there :) We'll see which games make the cut.
What is everyone's opinion on adding Neo Geo Pocket in there as well? Should it be included with the AES & CD unit or have it's own film?
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - need your feedback!
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 13, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
It should have its own film. I have a lot of opinions on the NGP, as does Exodus, so be sure to solicit input for that one.
UPDATE: I forgot about Garou. That one is a must. Neo Bomberman however...isn't very good. :( Its not bad or anything, it just doesn't really kick very much ass. The graphics aren't really any better than they were on the "lesser" systems (worse, in some cases) and its only two players.
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Post by: rag-time4 on May 13, 2010, 04:35:13 PM
Haha....I don't want to appear biased by adding Neo Bomberman in there :) We'll see which games make the cut.
What is everyone's opinion on adding Neo Geo Pocket in there as well? Should it be included with the AES & CD unit or have it's own film?
If you don't show a little bias in your vid I'll be personally hurt and disappointed!!
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - need your feedback!
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 13, 2010, 05:54:18 PM
Zeta reminded me... I still need to pick up King of Fighters 1, but I haven't seen it around for a long time. I don't care about 3 Count Bout or Art of Fighting 1. I have Art of Fighting 1 on the PC Engine Arcade Card CD thingy and it is way more powerful than the NeoGeo version.
Shock Troopers is pretty awesome. I have that for my AES. **waits**
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Post by: Tatsujin on May 13, 2010, 07:45:07 PM
I can't believe that the word "Last Resort" isn't dropped in here not one time?!
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Post by: TR0N on May 13, 2010, 10:55:25 PM
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Post by: Joe Redifer on May 19, 2010, 06:23:39 AM
Sweet! I am jealous of that box!
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Post by: SNKNostalgia on May 23, 2010, 05:31:13 PM
A lot of the classics are great on the Neo Geo to me, but some aged rather poorly. Some of the well known ones as mentioned, including Fatal Fury 1 are still enjoyable. I still think Fatal Fury 1 is an important entry out of the fighting games on the Neo, even though it's dated and the controls are sluggish.
My personal favorites, roughly are:
Nam 1975 Last Resort Fatal Fury 1 and Special Baseball Stars 2 Samurai Shodown 2 KOF 95/96/97 (I like the story scenes and overall presentation, what can I say.) Art of Fighting 3 Last Blade 1 Shock Troopers 1 Real Bout Fatal Fury Special and Real Bout 2 (It is a tie with these two. RBS would be the best to mention though) Metal Slug 3 (Say what you will about it being long, but this one just had the most action and fun to me. I like 1, 2, X and 3) Mark of The Wolves
Notice I don't mention Playmore released titles, :-" . Yep, didn't really like the new SNK after 2000 that much. Even though, most of the games I don't like from then on, I feel that Rage of The Dragons, KOF 2002 and Matrimelee are pretty decent games. Still, they just don't compare to the original SNK company made games to me.
A good way to go about it would be to pick 1 of each category out of the classics, and 1 of each category out of later releases from maybe 1996-200X. The games changed a lot in the mid-late 90s compared to the games released in the first couple of years. We went from classic arcade to more of in depth and slightly more complicated arcade games. Similar to the transition of arcade games ported on the Genesis and then to the Saturn.
Keep in mind that each fighting game series to me, is a different category when it comes to the Neo Geo. So you got Art of Fighting, Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, KOF, Last Blade, World Heroes and Savage Reign even. Then there are the single titles like Gowcaizer, Mark of The Wolves, Rage of The Dragons, etc... I guess, just pick favorites out of each series and then a few single titles that are most liked when it comes to fighting games.
A good list to use would be:
Nam 1975 Magician Lord Super Sidekicks 1-3 - pick which one Baseball Stars 1 or 2 Last Resort King of The Monsters 1 or 2 Sengoku 1 or 2 Fatal Fury 1 AOF 1 or 2 Samurai Shodown 1 or 2 Top Hunter or Spinmaster KOF 94 and 98 Magical Drop or Puzzle Bobble games - pick which one Metal Slug 1, 2, X or 3 Shock Troopers 1 World Heroes 1 or 2 Ninja Masters Last Blade 1 Real Bout Special Mark of The Wolves
This is just a rough list I would go by. I don't know too much about the puzzle, racing and sports games all that much. I only own a few from each of those categories, but not one puzzle game for some reason.
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - need your feedback!
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 23, 2010, 10:36:22 PM
The AES system I bought for the film just arrived today!
I hope you bought it just to take pictures of because its going to take several thousand dollars to accumulate all the software we've been talking about here if you are buying AES versions.
Title: Teaser Trailer
Post by: Pcenginefx on June 30, 2010, 08:19:24 PM
Very early teaser trailer for my upcoming Neo Geo (2010) film. Featuring some of my new camera hardware to be used for the production and one surprise shot at the end :) I'm still waiting for enough $$$$ to get my motion control system but things are coming together...
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - Test shot now online!
Post by: Mathius on July 02, 2010, 03:27:26 PM
Hey Aaron! That was me (TheMathius78) who replied on your Neo Geo trailer on You-Tube about getting an AES exactly (more or less) when you started this project. I know you've been asking the guys over at Neo-Geo.com (I am a member there too) for suggestions. They all can be extremely harsh in their criticisms, but please don't let them discourage you. Make the film the way you want to. You have to be satisfied with it, not us. :wink:
But here is my two cents....
Back in the 90s I remember when the Neo Geo AES first debuted. It was the biggest, baddest console ever to be released. I couldn't believe it. It tore to shreds every console that got in its way. The only console that ever came close to competing with it was our beloved little PC Engine, and it's Arcade Card. The Neo Geo was in your face! And that, I believe, would be the best route to take as far as presentation. I am sure this idea has already been suggested, but just add my name to that bowl. One member on the Neo forums likened the NEC Remembrance vids to a funeral, and in some ways they are a little depressing. Don't get me wrong, I love those videos. But, the Neo deserves an "In Your Face" style. Turn that sh#t up to 11 brother! :twisted:
Good luck, Aaron. You have my full support. :)
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - Test shot now online!
Post by: Tatsujin on July 02, 2010, 03:43:17 PM
cool vid and equip, but couldn't see any neogeo yet :)
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - Test shot now online!
Post by: Mathius on July 02, 2010, 03:49:24 PM
cool vid and equip, but couldn't see any neogeo yet :)
When you do it'll be shock and awe! ;)
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - Test shot now online!
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 02, 2010, 05:11:29 PM
I still have the letter that the SNK Game Lord Chad Okada wrote to me if you want to use that in the video as a dramatic reading over the visuals. It basically proclaims that Neo Geo is the Real Deal and that everyone else is a goddamn loser.
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Post by: blueraven on July 02, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
Very early teaser trailer for my upcoming Neo Geo (2010) film. Featuring some of my new camera hardware to be used for the production and one surprise shot at the end :) I'm still waiting for enough $$$$ to get my motion control system but things are coming together...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC5I6y5PwX0
Great job on the mis en sciene. I especially like the operatic accent on the tripod. Very Badass :D
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Post by: Pcenginefx on July 03, 2010, 06:43:08 PM
I've still not locked down the music I wish to use for the Neo Geo segment due to the fact that I do wish to make this a more in-your-face piece however I'm going for a powerful/epic feel with a short segment for history thrown in.
At this point, the project will most likely be very short - under 3 mins, to facilitate faster cuts - so don't expect anything as long as say my PC-FX film.
I can't wait to get this project done - the amount of flack I've gotten already is surprising to say the least and I've not even CREATED anything yet. I'm going to try my best to please the Neo Geo community with something never-before-done in a tribute video, but there are people out there who can't stand me getting artsy-fartsy with "their" consoles and think I'm going to make the Geo film feel like a funeral (like I was EVER going to go that route with the Geo!).
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - Test shot now online!
Post by: Mathius on July 03, 2010, 07:00:57 PM
I've still not locked down the music I wish to use for the Neo Geo segment due to the fact that I do wish to make this a more in-your-face piece however I'm going for a powerful/epic feel with a short segment for history thrown in.
At this point, the project will most likely be very short - under 3 mins, to facilitate faster cuts - so don't expect anything as long as say my PC-FX film.
I can't wait to get this project done - the amount of flack I've gotten already is surprising to say the least and I've not even CREATED anything yet. I'm going to try my best to please the Neo Geo community with something never-before-done in a tribute video, but there are people out there who can't stand me getting artsy-fartsy with "their" consoles and think I'm going to make the Geo film feel like a funeral (like I was EVER going to go that route with the Geo!).
Like I said in my previous post, don't let those guys at NG.com get in your head. They love their drama over there, and have alienated many fine people in the process. I figured out how to handle myself over there, and you will too. :wink: Just make the film you want to make, and if the old vets over there don't like it then they can make their own films. Probably won't happen though. Your right! They don't own this great console SNK gave us. Give it a tribute that only PCFX can. I have faith in you.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on July 03, 2010, 07:20:57 PM
Ha! That makes me want to make my own Neo Geo short that ends with the system sitting by a gravestone and then text appears on the screen "Neo Geo: it never even had a chance to live". Then I'd sit back and watch the fireworks.
Title: Re: Neo Geo Tribute film - Test shot now online!
Post by: Pcenginefx on July 03, 2010, 07:35:07 PM
Oh please do...I'd love to see that Joe! Make sure to use really depressing music :P
All kidding aside, I really sincerely hope the Geo community will enjoy the film once it is done. I love filmmaking and only have the best of intentions for the project, but if people hate it...so be it (they can make their own tribute!).
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Post by: Mathius on July 04, 2010, 04:41:34 AM
Ha! That makes me want to make my own Neo Geo short that ends with the system sitting by a gravestone and then text appears on the screen "Neo Geo: it never even had a chance to live". Then I'd sit back and watch the fireworks.
Heh, they'd probably gear up for full scale war. :lol:
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Post by: Mathius on July 17, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
How's the project coming along, Aaron? Hope the few who are very cynical over at NG didn't make you lose any motivation. I'm rooting for you, man! :)
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Post by: Pcenginefx on July 18, 2010, 03:44:25 AM
How's the project coming along, Aaron? Hope the few who are very cynical over at NG didn't make you lose any motivation. I'm rooting for you, man! :)
Oh it is still on - the plan is to make it short and sweet... it will only be about 2mins, in the style of a movie trailer. I pretty much know now how I will be shooting my scenes and how it will look, but I'm waiting to purchase the last piece of my motion control camera dolly system (still saving up for it....it costs $1,000). Most likely start production in early Aug.
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Post by: Tatsujin on July 18, 2010, 04:02:53 AM
Since I'm now an AES owner as well (lol), I will be even more looking FWD to see your work Aaron :)
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Post by: Mathius on July 18, 2010, 04:20:50 AM
How's the project coming along, Aaron? Hope the few who are very cynical over at NG didn't make you lose any motivation. I'm rooting for you, man! :)
Oh it is still on - the plan is to make it short and sweet... it will only be about 2mins, in the style of a movie trailer. I pretty much know now how I will be shooting my scenes and how it will look, but I'm waiting to purchase the last piece of my motion control camera dolly system (still saving up for it....it costs $1,000). Most likely start production in early Aug.
One minty copy of Magical Chase should clear that up. Er, did you sell that one during the auctions last year?
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Post by: Pcenginefx on July 18, 2010, 06:11:38 AM
Yah, sold my sealed Magical Chase on July 4, 2009 for $2,901.01.
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Post by: Mathius on July 18, 2010, 06:28:41 AM
Yah, sold my sealed Magical Chase on July 4, 2009 for $2,901.01.
I thought you might have, but I couldn't remember.
Hey Tats, you should come join us over at Neo-Geo.com. There are a lot of cool people over there despite what's been said, and I think you would fit in nicely. Hope to see you there. :)
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Pcenginefx on July 21, 2010, 06:35:44 AM
Production on the short film has officially started. I'm working on the title sequence right now which has a quick 3D SNK logo fly-in, as well as a "neo geo"-like re-design of my own logo. After that is complete, it's off to start filming the first live-action sequence.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Mathius on July 21, 2010, 06:40:52 AM
Cool! Good luck! :)
Title: Neo Geo film status - 10-05-10
Post by: Pcenginefx on October 04, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
After a delay in working on the film (got WAY too busy with real paying gigs :) I have resumed production on my yet-to-be-titled Neo Geo short. I have a bunch of Neo Geo items which are coming to me right now from Europe & Japan for the shoot, and I am setting up the first live-action scene now for filming. Below is a taste of what the first scene will involve...
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Post by: Mathius on October 05, 2010, 05:59:09 AM
Awesome! :D I was wondering if the project was still in production.
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Post by: Pcenginefx on November 25, 2010, 12:19:54 PM
FINALLY will be filming the 2nd scene with the hardware (AES, MVS & Neo Geo CD units) starting tomorrow. Here is a shot of the rig I am setting up for motorized lighting which will be moving while I shoot the hardware.
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Post by: Tatsujin on November 25, 2010, 01:07:10 PM
cool :)
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Post by: SignOfZeta on November 25, 2010, 04:10:03 PM
Interesting. What sort of MVS will you be shooting? A US cab or a Candy or...?
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Post by: Frank_fjs on November 25, 2010, 06:11:35 PM
My AES is cleaner! :P
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Post by: Tatsujin on November 25, 2010, 06:25:14 PM
The AES itself looks quite clean, its box not so.
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Post by: Frank_fjs on November 25, 2010, 06:39:12 PM
That's mainly what I meant. I got lucky with my AES, the box and inserts are in great condition.
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Post by: Pcenginefx on November 25, 2010, 06:53:13 PM
I just bought the AES not too long ago from Japan and was the best condition unit in-box I could find at the time. As far as the MVS goes, it will be represented by a one slot Japanese unit in motherboard form only. I would have loved to film with a cabinet, but didn't pan out.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on November 26, 2010, 05:46:00 AM
Do you still leave in/near Seattle? There's probably a Neo Candy machine or a dozen of them around there. Hell, there HAS to be a nice American red MVS. There's probably some dude with three of them within 10 miles.
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Post by: nodtveidt on November 28, 2010, 04:53:20 PM
I missed this thread back when it was first posted, so I'll post my thoughts now...
To me, Neo Geo is all about the King Of Fighters. :) I won't play a KOF game if it isn't on the Neo Geo.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on November 28, 2010, 06:38:53 PM
Almost anything on Neo Geo is good. Even a game that is ultra bland and nothing special at all, somehow becomes awesome just by being on Neo Geo. League Bowling, for example, which is simpler than most cell phone games, is fun just because of the Neo Geo-niss of it all.
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Post by: Frank_fjs on November 28, 2010, 07:34:02 PM
+1 to League Bowling being a great game.
I used to play it on my original Xbox back in the day, via an emulator. A friend came over, saw me playing it, asked to have a shot and was hooked. His jaw hit the floor when I told him it was a 15 year old game being played via emulation. Testament to the fact that with Neo Geo, the future is now.
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Post by: Mathius on November 29, 2010, 03:48:05 AM
SNK had some of the most memorable magazine ads too. I still can remember reading ads in EGM like "I remember when he couldn't keep his hands off me," with the hot girl looking irritated, and her white collar stud playing Cyber-Lip in the background. Good stuff. :)
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Post by: SNKNostalgia on November 29, 2010, 12:39:19 PM
I always liked the weenie vs hot dog and the ad: "You need a pair of these (picture of steel balls) to own one of these (picture of Neo Geo AES)!"
They did the best they could marketing wise with what they had. Straight facts about the specs of the system vs. other systems. Also, it was aimed towards teenagers and up since no kid's parents would buy one. SNK was smart enough to know that. I am glad it was too expensive in those days. It makes it all more enjoyable now to play it after being deprived from getting one for many years.
You really did get what you paid for back then, an arcade system at home. I remember wanting one after finding out there was a home version after playing Baseball Stars, King of The Monsters, FF1 and then FF2 a little later on. The graphics, sound and gameplay of most of these games were just amazing for their time. This is before they refined their games more like KOF, Real Bout, Last Blade and Metal Slug.
BTW, since Last Blade 1 and 2 never got a proper port, I highly suggest trying these games out. Yes, they are worth $150-$200 on AES... no doubt about it. If you haven't played them, you don't know what your missing. I personally think it is the best weapons based fighter series made. Also, Art of Fighting 3 is a great unique fighting game they made. The character line-up is a little odd compared to 1 and 2, but the game plays very well in its own way. Check out some other games like: Shocktroopers 1 (One of the best overhead shooters ever made to me), Blazing Star, Top Hunter, Spinmaster and Windjammers. Those are some good somewhat overlooked titles.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on November 29, 2010, 01:20:39 PM
BTW, since Last Blade 1 and 2 never got a proper port, I highly suggest trying these games out. Yes, they are worth $150-$200 on AES... no doubt about it.
Last Blade is great. This is a highly overlooked series, and its worth whatever you have to pay.
However, nothing on AES makes sense anymore. L33t-ness aside, its pretty pointless to pay $200 for an AES game when you can get the exact same thing on MVS for $50, and MVS systems will do everything and more than an AES will do.
When home carts were $250 and MVS were $750, it made sense, but now...collectors only. I just bought Metal Slug 3 on MVS for $36 the other day. $36! You can get the entire MS series on MVS for what it costs to own one MS game on AES and the ROMs are identical. Is a case and instruction manual really worth a couple hundred dollars?
BTW, the NGP version of Last Blade is great too. It starts out as LB1, but as you play it the game sort of morphs into LB2. Its also got cool minigames.
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Post by: TR0N on November 29, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
2nd such a addictive game to play yet so simple.To this day the neo-geo has aged well,any time i want that pick'up&play i fire up my cmvs.
Btw i all ways recomend league bowling to any one aes or mvs owners.
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Post by: Pcenginefx on November 30, 2010, 02:25:14 PM
Just posted up a quick finished clip of the current footage I'm shooting now:
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Post by: Frank_fjs on November 30, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
Nice, but much too short and too much of a tease!
Looks like this will be a very polished production, can't wait.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 30, 2010, 05:22:24 PM
Pretty awesome looking! What I might try if I were you (and I'm not) is crop out the light and leave the Neo & stuff in for the final, edited version. Looking forward to it!
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Post by: Pcenginefx on December 04, 2010, 06:26:17 AM
The motorized light is an integral part of the hardware sequence of the film - don't worry you'll see :)... and if you thought that shot of the AES looks good, man the close-ups are absolutely BEAUTFIUL!! I really can't wait to get this film done. I have to do some re-shoots of the MVS motherboard next then I'll be shooting the games sequence.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Pcenginefx on December 05, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Alright people, here is the official trailer! Just a taste of things to come!
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Mathius on December 06, 2010, 04:04:43 AM
I commented over a NG.com already, but damn Aaron! That trailer gave me chills just like when I saw the trailer for Cowboys and Aliens when I went to see Deathly Hollows last week!
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Necromancer on December 06, 2010, 04:14:44 AM
Heh. I like the subtle NeoGeo logo smiley face lens flares.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Frank_fjs on December 06, 2010, 10:07:44 AM
Looks brilliant, congratulations and keep it up. You definitely have talent.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Pcenginefx on December 09, 2010, 05:14:12 PM
Windows Media & Quicktime H.264 720p versions of the trailer are now available for direct download. Forget YouTube - this is how it was meant to be seen!
Windows Media (19MB) - http://www.aaronnanto.com/NeoGeo2011/NeoGeo2011_Trailer_720p.wmv Quicktime H.264 (54MB) - http://www.aaronnanto.com/NeoGeo2011/NeoGeo2011_Trailer_720p.mp4
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 09, 2010, 05:33:19 PM
Actually .MP4 is not Quicktime, though it can be played back in the QT Player. .MOV is Quicktime and it can also have H.264.
Anyway, looking good, can't wait to see the whole thing! Though I imagine the dramatic lighting will piss off the Neo-Geo forum community for whatever reason. "That's not what the Neo Geo meanz to meee!!"
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Mathius on December 09, 2010, 05:56:06 PM
Actually .MP4 is not Quicktime, though it can be played back in the QT Player. .MOV is Quicktime and it can also have H.264.
Anyway, looking good, can't wait to see the whole thing! Though I imagine the dramatic lighting will piss off the Neo-Geo forum community for whatever reason. "That's not what the Neo Geo meanz to meee!!"
Yeah, he had one yahoo on there tell him to "Go all, or go home," saying if Aaron didn't put every conceivable piece of SNK hardware in his short film that he should just shut down production. It's that kind of mentality that I hate about NG.com, and why I don't bother much with the site other than buying goodies. I must point out though that I have made a handful of good friends there. But, finding people like that is like searching for a stalk of hay in a needle stack.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 09, 2010, 06:16:27 PM
He should have every game in there as well. Both AES and MVS. Complete. Mint. Never touched.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 09, 2010, 07:18:14 PM
While I sort of agree with what some of those guys were saying over there in spirit (the AES is just a plastic shell, what matters in the games, I don't just stare at systems, etc) those guys are DICKS of the highest order. f*ck them.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 10, 2010, 02:13:24 AM
If the AES is just a shell, then why is it so goddamn sexy? It's probably in my top 6 or 7 favorite system designs ever.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: geise on December 10, 2010, 04:40:02 AM
I have to agree Joe. That's one of the best system designs to me.
Aaron I am very looking forward to the finished movie. Thanks for the devotion and time spent on this project of yours! I'm sure most people here appreciate what you do!
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Pcenginefx on December 10, 2010, 07:08:41 AM
Yah, I don't let the guys at NG.com affect me any longer. When I first posted up there, I was shot down pretty bad, but now that I am committed to the film, I don't care if they hate it now.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: geise on December 10, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
Man I know how it feels. I do computer animation for a living. I have been doing it since 96. I used to like posting my work on forums, especially CG Channel and some others. My work is never perfect and I always welcome constructive criticism. However over these past 5 years there's all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork acting like professionals, when in all reality couldn't even begin to do the work I do. It's like some people think there's a magic button. I will never get into doing video games, because the market sucks and the kids that are into new games now a days could really care less how much time and effort is spent.
Man I would've thought people over at NG.com would be loving what you're doing. I do know what goes into your work I'm glad you're doing it the way you want it. That's what matters. It's your project. You do very professional work. I take it you do video for a living?
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 10, 2010, 10:28:07 AM
Its always hard dealing with people who don't understand the realities of your profession. I'm an automotive technician, and IMO pretty good at it, but people basically just assume I'm a incompetent gomer thief hack. This is why I got out of dealing directly with customers and now work as a test technician for engineering labs.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: guyjin on December 15, 2010, 07:17:27 AM
haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: blueraven on December 28, 2010, 02:32:15 PM
Yah, I don't let the guys at NG.com affect me any longer. When I first posted up there, I was shot down pretty bad, but now that I am committed to the film, I don't care if they hate it now.
Who cares what their opinion is; they haven't updated their website since 1997.
Good job dude.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: rodek on January 12, 2011, 02:03:26 AM
Amazing cinematography in these films you are making.
made me remember i still have a Neo Geo magazine poster from my childhood.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, 2010) - Status
Post by: Pcenginefx on January 22, 2011, 12:36:08 PM
Filming has continued after a 3 week break (due to camera dead pixel problem). Shooting the game segment now...
I thought I heard a checking account scream in agony somewhere towards the northwest. :lol:
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 22, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
See...that's where I can relate to some of the nega-hype you got from the pricks are NG.com. I mean...an artsy shot of $5000 worth of AES packaging really does represent the worst aspect of Neo Geo; hype, money...a downward spiral of bling and consumption and silliness.
Some dude trying to 1CC a home made bootleg Ironclad cart on a cobbled together supergun...that's the real Neo Geo to me, and I would pay money to see a movie like that.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: Pcenginefx on January 23, 2011, 03:14:31 AM
Those seals represent only a $200 investment... I'm using the beauty of movie magic to create an illusion... nothing more. I would never pay thousands of dollars for games...well, maybe for the Turbo...
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: esteban on January 23, 2011, 03:51:24 AM
Alright people, here is the official trailer! Just a taste of things to come! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVdWJCiZY4
I finally watched this trailer... :) . GREAT STUFF.
One minor quibble: I would have chosen different music for the trailer--music that, to nearly all Neo Geo fans, truly represents and reflects the essence of Neo Geo, such as Hootie and the Blowfish (or Dave Matthews). Otherwise, your trailer was perfect.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: Mathius on January 23, 2011, 04:41:57 AM
I would have gone for pre-Black Album Metallica. Like chocolate and peanut butter. :)
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 23, 2011, 05:47:54 AM
I thought all Neo Geo fans loved them some Nirvana. Or Whitney Houston.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: Mathius on January 23, 2011, 10:18:58 AM
I thought all Neo Geo fans loved them some Nirvana. Or Whitney Houston.
And the Spindoctors! Don't forget them.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 23, 2011, 10:44:33 AM
I think Neo Geo fans have a pretty wide taste in music, and some of it rather good. There are however a lot of those type of dudes that still think AC/DC and Aerosmith are are the best thing ever though, mainly because they haven't actually listened to any music since they graduated from high school 20 years ago.
If I were to be positive about it, I'd say they like pre-Black Album Metallica. If I were to be negative about it, I'd say they like post-Black Album Metallica. I'm pretty sure none of them like Whitney Houston.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 23, 2011, 06:00:07 PM
Yes they do. They told me. They also like The White Stripes.
Title: Re: The Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (short film, early 2011) - Status
Post by: esteban on January 24, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
Yes they do. They told me. They also like The White Stripes.
As Amazon's suggestion algorithm reveals, 97% of folks who purchased King of Fighter's / Metal Slug also purchased Whitney Houston's Greatest Hits...
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Pcenginefx on February 12, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
I am very happy to announce that work is wrapping up as I speak for my upcoming Neo Geo short film and is planned to be released online on the evening of the 16th. Links will be posted here once online.
Stills from the final film: (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5057/5440559223_01df96b02d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: esteban on February 13, 2011, 09:20:10 AM
Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 13, 2011, 09:50:16 AM
Just so you know, Youtube does allow 1080p uploads. Upload it in 1080p and it will also be available in 720p, 480p, 360p and 240p. Don't letterbox, upload in 16:9. Better than Vimeo, for sure.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on February 14, 2011, 04:41:12 AM
woo, can't wait till this Weds!! Been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 15, 2011, 12:52:05 PM
Already seen it. :)
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Pcenginefx on February 15, 2011, 01:41:20 PM
Joystiq broke the video early (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/15/neo-geo-tribute-film-is-bigger-badder-better/) but here is my official blurb:
Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better (2011 Short Film, HD 720p)
Prepare yourself to experience the biggest, baddest arcade game console ever to be released for the consumer market! Showcasing the sleek design of the hardware, legendary character artwork, and the games that crushed the competition, "Neo Geo: Bigger Badder Better" is a cinematic tribute to SNK's 24-bit arcade powerhouse.
Direction, creation and cinematography by Aaron Nanto Cameras: - Canon 5D Mark II & Sony FX-1 Camera Rig: - Kessler Pocket Dolly camera rig w/ORACLE motion control system Lenses: - Canon EF 24-70mm f/1.2L USM - Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM - Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L USM - Canon EF 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye Lighting: - Lowel 750w Tota Softbox Production Duration: - Start: 5.2010 - End: 2.2011
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 15, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
I'm surprised you need that much light with apertures that big.
EDIT: Also, by keeping the video on private, peeps like Joystick would not have been able to leak it. :)
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Pcenginefx on February 15, 2011, 02:56:13 PM
I didn't always shoot wide open to help focus during the dolly shots (and to keep camera ISO to a minimum) and my Tota light was contained in a large softbox so I always shoot at least 700w or higher as I can easily loose a few stops with a softbox/diffusion.
And I sent it to Joystiq on purpose but didn't know they would post it today. Now if YouTube finishes its maintenance I can make the video public :\
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: esteban on February 15, 2011, 04:28:58 PM
:)
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 15, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
I guess I'll be the Negative Nelly...
Obviously its nice. It shows a great deal of absolutely pro skill, and yes your gear is really good.
However...
...has anyone noticed that all movies look the same now? It doesn't matter if its Iron Man or some heist flick. They all use the same shots, the same timing, the same post tricks, the music is the same (fake digital scores and licensed pop songs) the way the music ties into the timing and the shots...its all the same stuff. You can tell what is going to happen, and when, before it actually happens. Then there is the shakey-cam, lens flair, and the bogus depth of field. It doesn't even matter where in the world it was shot, or at what budget. The tools are cheap enough for any studio to afford now and Hollywood's reach is so far that everyone sees the same stuff. It used to be that Italian movies looked Italian, but now they look just like Korean/French/British/American movies.
This video is all (most, anyway) of those learned, creativity-free cliches wrapped into one thing that just happens to have some Neo fapping material in there. The subject matter could be anything. Over a 1/4 of this video is credits. Of the remaining footage less than half of that is actually in focus. It couldn't be more pompous if it were a Man O War music video. There is nothing accidental about it. This is how the pros do it, and you are very pro, but Jesus isn't it time to do something besides this?
I'm sincerely hope it goes over well on your demo real/resume, but in the meanwhile I'll be watching Keith Apicary.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 15, 2011, 05:39:10 PM
I haven't really seen ANY movies that look like Aaron's work. Car commercials, yes. Movies? No. Aaron needs to get Parkinson's Disease™, and be a complete incoherent spaz on the zoom before he is ready for movies. He holds the camera way too steady. Paul Greengrass would hate Aaron with a passion. But if I had a product or a car that I needed some slick shots of for a commercial, I'd definitely hire Aaron to do it. He could also work for Top Gear. But I do agree with your assessment that movies look the same these days.
Aaron, on the 5D you can turn the ISO up to 1000 before you start to notice any increase in grain. Canon says it is actually 1600, so that's why I stick to about 1000 unless I need to go higher in an emergency.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on February 16, 2011, 04:34:10 AM
I thought it looked excellent Aaron!! It's a really great tribute piece, SNK should be paying you to show it at E3's or Tokyo game shows ;)
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Pcenginefx on February 17, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
For those who don't like my work, I'm sorry to hear that. For those who do like my work, thank you.
For my next console film, I'm thinking I might do the Dreamcast...but whatever console it may be, it won't be out till summer at least.
And to Joe - to keep the visuals as high-quality as possible I was aiming for a 100 ISO at all times. The only time I had to even get close to 1000 ISO was during the 4 quick shots of the AES/CD/MVS/Games at the end of the film (before the credits/BTS segment starts).
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Necromancer on February 17, 2011, 12:00:53 PM
Looks good to me. Sure it's kinda artsy fartsy, but that's what makes it fun; youtube is littered with nice long videos of game play, and straight on photos are easy enough to find if I want to see exactly what the hardware looks like.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Mathius on February 17, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
I just watched the vid, Aaron. Freakin' Awesome! :) I wanted to let the storm die down for a few days before I viewed it. I loved your tribute to the Neo, and I thought the music fit the overall theme well. The close-up shots of gameplay were a little close for my liking though. Them scanlines sure were pretty. :mrgreen:
I should've sent you my copy of Viewpoint to put it in the film. It may have lackluster power-ups, and it is balls hard, but it's still a Neo classic. Anyway, thanks Aaron! :D
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 17, 2011, 06:32:08 PM
Let me borrow your copy of Viewpoint and I'll make my second Neo Geo video. :)
Of course my videos and Aaron's each have their own style, with mine being geared more towards comedy and Aaron's more towards admiration of the product on camera. That's what I think a lot of people don't get. He's admiring the system, not necessarily trying to capture the entire spirit of the system that each and every individual experienced. At least that's what I get out of it.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Mathius on February 17, 2011, 06:38:35 PM
Let me borrow your copy of Viewpoint and I'll make my second Neo Geo video. :)
Of course my videos and Aaron's each have their own style, with mine being geared more towards comedy and Aaron's more towards admiration of the product on camera. That's what I think a lot of people don't get. He's admiring the system, not necessarily trying to capture the entire spirit of the system that each and every individual experienced. At least that's what I get out of it.
I am always willing to help. :) PM me if you're serious.
What's your You-Tube channel???
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 18, 2011, 10:13:20 AM
Upon watching the video again, I have to ask this question: What camera settings did you use to film, oops I mean videotape, oops I mean shoot the games as they were being played on the monitor? This is always a headache for me as a rolling sync bar usually crops up. Was being so close to the monitor helpful in this manner? Also, did you shoot at 29.97fps or 23.98fps? 24fps hates looking at 60hz monitors!
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: esteban on February 18, 2011, 11:50:33 PM
Upon watching the video again, I have to ask this question: What camera settings did you use to film, oops I mean videotape, oops I mean shoot the games as they were being played on the monitor? This is always a headache for me as a rolling sync bar usually crops up. Was being so close to the monitor helpful in this manner? Also, did you shoot at 29.97fps or 23.98fps? 24fps hates looking at 60hz monitors!
I was curious about this as well. Please describe any/every variable you played around with, such as:
* the ambient lighting in the room (if any), * the screen brightness/contrast settings on the television/monitor * the distance from the camera lens to CRT (and, did you zoom in at all?) * etc.
Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Pcenginefx on February 19, 2011, 04:39:04 PM
So camera settings were as follows:
Canon 5D Mark II w/24-70mm f/2.8L lens ISO: 100 F-Stop: 2.8 Shutter speed: 50 Resolution & FPS: 1080p/23.976
Monitor is running at 60hz (LG 27" M2762D)
I'm not sure why there wasn't any rolling sync bar when I was filming the monitor. I was about 2 feet away from the screen, with very little ambient lighting in the room....
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 15, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
Ah. No sync bar because it was an LCD, not a CRT.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Mathius on March 15, 2011, 03:23:42 PM
Joe, are you still doing your Neo short??? My copy of Viewpoint has been wanting to meet the great Redifer. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 15, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Well, I want to do something. I want to do an "inspired by Aaron Nanto" type of short, but not sure what subject to dedicate it to.
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: esteban on March 16, 2011, 12:36:55 AM
Well, I want to do something. I want to do an "inspired by Aaron Nanto" type of short, but not sure what subject to dedicate it to.
Personally, I would love it if you made a film that focused on the lesser known, oddball games for the Neo. Or, simply, ignore the entire "vs fighting" genre altogether and show what Neo offered to folks like me (I don't get excited about the fighting genre at all).
Title: Re: Neo Geo (2011) short film status - Release on Feb. 16th!
Post by: Necromancer on March 16, 2011, 03:05:36 AM