Do you have any titles worse that this in your collection ?
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Post by: Turbo D on July 14, 2010, 09:19:52 AM
oh man, powergate really sucks, lmao! I played it on emulator; don't think I will be picking that one up. I don't really have any games too terrible in my collection except for maybe those momotaro games (I bought them for like 25 cents each lol).
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Post by: Necromancer on July 14, 2010, 09:26:21 AM
Outside of a smidgen of good artwork and passable voices, Ballistix is rubbish.
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Post by: imparanoic on July 14, 2010, 11:42:57 AM
golden axe on cd rom was terrible
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Post by: SignOfZeta on July 14, 2010, 12:52:03 PM
The Momotaro games are all pretty great, you just need to be able to understand how to play them. Also, once you have played any game in the Dentetsu series you're probably good until at least a generation or two of game systems goes by before you need another one.
Katsugeki is really good.
As for worst games...this is hard to say. Energy is pretty awful, so is Circus Lido. The entire Cal series can take a flying leap. Biggest disapointment (but not worst game) is Renny Blaster.
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Post by: rag-time4 on July 14, 2010, 01:05:16 PM
Rock-on might be my least favorite.
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Post by: Tatsujin on July 14, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
power gate still is harmless against a legion e.g.
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Post by: Arkhan on July 14, 2010, 06:43:11 PM
Insanity!
lol.
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Post by: blueraven on July 15, 2010, 12:43:13 AM
JJ and Jeff is a shitpile.
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Post by: Tatsujin on July 15, 2010, 12:50:41 AM
haha and in some cultures "shidobi" is considered a delicacy! ;-)
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Post by: TheClash603 on July 15, 2010, 04:04:46 AM
As a TG16 guy, I can only talk about what came over to the US. Someone else mentioned Ballistix, and I have to agree.
I only played this game for 5 minutes, and it will never again enter my system.
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Post by: sunteam_paul on July 15, 2010, 05:54:31 AM
Dull, dull mah-jong games aplenty.
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Post by: Sparky on July 15, 2010, 05:56:54 AM
Ballistix is not that bad... It has been awhile since i have played.... i guess it is time for some ball play tonight :P for what i played on the PCE and have...F-1 PILOT can lick it!!!
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Post by: Colossus1574 on July 15, 2010, 06:58:37 AM
man...the crappiest PC engine games i can't even name them because I can't prounounce them, haha. But I found Fatal Fury 2 to be kinda pointless...when Fatal Fury Special came out less then a year later, and it beat part 2 IN ALL DEPARTMENTS!!! Clearer graphics with a little more animation, faster load times, more characters, combos that actually connect!
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Post by: SignOfZeta on July 15, 2010, 07:18:35 AM
Honestly, anyone who thinks that JJ and Jeff or Fatal Fury 2 are uniquely bad games has lead a very sheltered life. Even if you only collect US stuff, haven't you played Darkwing Duck? The collision is that game is hideous. How about Night Creatures?
Fatal Fury 2 isn't even slightly bad. Not on any level.
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Post by: Colossus1574 on July 15, 2010, 07:48:18 AM
Honestly, anyone who thinks that JJ and Jeff or Fatal Fury 2 are uniquely bad games has lead a very sheltered life. Even if you only collect US stuff, haven't you played Darkwing Duck? The collision is that game is hideous. How about Night Creatures?
Fatal Fury 2 isn't even slightly bad. Not on any level.
haha, MY BAD, i didn't mean it was a piece of crap...i just meant it was a game that coulda been held back, and just have Special released a few months later. I guess I'll have to come up with something elsefor a true piece of crap selection :)
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Post by: SuperPlay on July 15, 2010, 07:54:48 AM
Ballistix and Circus Lido are both worthy contenders.
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Post by: shubibiman on July 15, 2010, 09:00:05 AM
There are no "worst games" for the PCE, just least awesome games. That's all. You should learn and obey!
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Post by: geise on July 15, 2010, 01:02:32 PM
Man what's with the hate on Circus Lido. I actually like that game. I also like Ballistix...well on the Amiga. I guess I like bad games. My worst game for the pc-engine is Browning. I haven't played every hu card game, but for me Browning takes the cake as worst game. Legion is not to far behind that.
edit: Darkwing Duck is my worst TG-16 game. The graphics aren't bad but plays like a turd.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on July 15, 2010, 02:49:41 PM
I love Browning. You just have to know how to play it.
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Post by: Sinistron on July 15, 2010, 03:12:09 PM
OP- I found Powergate to be fun as hell. Obviously didn't go into it expecting any sort of masterpiece- and was rewarded with the exact experience I expected- early SMS level graphics and tolerable and easy to pick up gameplay that was quick to master. Fun clear.
My vote for worst on PCEngine is Titan- or Cross Wiber
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Post by: turbofan1 on July 15, 2010, 03:48:49 PM
Cant say there`s one game that stands out as being awful game for the pc engine.Horror Story was A pile crap though.
As far as the Turbo Grafx goes,i think its A tie between Night creatures,Impossamole,and Battle Royal.
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Post by: rag-time4 on July 15, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
man...the crappiest PC engine games i can't even name them because I can't prounounce them, haha. But I found Fatal Fury 2 to be kinda pointless...when Fatal Fury Special came out less then a year later, and it beat part 2 IN ALL DEPARTMENTS!!! Clearer graphics with a little more animation, faster load times, more characters, combos that actually connect!
Honestly, anyone who thinks that JJ and Jeff or Fatal Fury 2 are uniquely bad games has lead a very sheltered life. Even if you only collect US stuff, haven't you played Darkwing Duck? The collision is that game is hideous. How about Night Creatures?
Fatal Fury 2 isn't even slightly bad. Not on any level.
I'm totally with Zeta here!
JJ and Jeff is a quality platformer, no question about it! Embrace the wackiness of it, and the secrets, level design, and that silky smooth kick animation truly shine!
And for me, even though they're the same tunes, the music sound way better in Fatal Fury 2 than it does in Fatal Fury Special!
Wonk! Wonk! Wonk!
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Post by: shubibiman on July 15, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
I love Browning. You just have to know how to play it.
I would love some tips on Browning. I want to like it but all I can get from it in a continuous stream of suckage.
As for JJ and Jeff / Kato & Ken, it's a variation of Wonder Boy which is probably the best platform game ever created, and therefore cannot be crap. Besides, any game that has someone taking a dump behind a bush gets my vote.
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Post by: henrycsc on July 16, 2010, 04:19:06 PM
Besides, any game that has someone taking a dump behind a bush gets my vote.
Shittiest games: Toilet Kids & Kato & Ken Chan/JJ & Jeff, maybe it's only a descriptive of the game, not the game play. :)
For me, the hardest US games to like would be Falcon & Gunboat (but that's just me - I know some of you LOVE em... lol)
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Post by: TheClash603 on July 16, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
Falcon and Gunboat are crap games 2 and 3 after Ballistix for me.
I think each of these games may have potential for someone willing to put some effort into them... problem is I don't think I ever want to put in that effort.
Ballistix is just shallow. I think Bonk Volleyball from Bonk 3 CD has more depth.
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Post by: nectarsis on July 16, 2010, 07:01:37 PM
Falcon and Gunboat are crap games 2 and 3 after Ballistix for me.
I think each of these games may have potential for someone willing to put some effort into them... problem is I don't think I ever want to put in that effort.
Ballistix is just shallow. I think Bonk Volleyball from Bonk 3 CD has more depth.
Ballistix is fun if you remember that its from the Amiga
:D Everything sucks on the Amiga!
>_>
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Post by: blueraven on July 18, 2010, 09:32:29 AM
Despite the repeated attempts to convince me that JJ/Chan/Chan is anything but horrible after beating it in the arcade (the machine was open, hence free gameplay) and getting close to beating it on my old Turbo, I have purchased a copy from another forum member for the sum of $1 to beat the game and continue my tirade with added legitimacy.
Honestly, anyone who thinks that JJ and Jeff or Fatal Fury 2 are uniquely bad games has lead a very sheltered life. Even if you only collect US stuff, haven't you played Darkwing Duck?
Don't waste the tear.
I only have 4 American loose hueys (JJ being one now) and collect PCE exclusively. I intentionally avoid American games.
As far as Darkwing Duck; Yes I've played it, I got to stage 4. I'd rather play DWD or Impossamole than JJ any day of the week. But neither are very much better. In fact, all three games are craptastic imo.
If not liking a retarded platformer makes me sheltered, then I guess you guys are out in the rain.
Umbrellas anyone? :lol:
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Post by: nat on July 18, 2010, 10:16:46 AM
Talespin is way worse than anything mentioned here, but I realize it's not technically a "PCE" game since it wasn't released in Japan.
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Post by: Colossus1574 on July 18, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
Talespin is way worse than anything mentioned here, but I realize it's not technically a "PCE" game since it wasn't released in Japan.
I'm actually quite surprised the TG was able to get licensed products like TaleSpin and DarkWing Duck (why couldn't they just give us a 16bit Ducktales or Rescue Rangers :( ) but couldn't get their hands on releases from Konami or any of the other companies who've been releasing sure fire hits on the PCE...
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 18, 2010, 07:24:29 PM
See, Talespin & Impossamole I actually enjoy, despite the fact that Talespin is just a subpar game, & Impossamole, well, it has it's issue's. Worst game? Legion is up there, as is Deep Blue & Drop Off, not to mention Darkwing Duck.
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Post by: lord_cack on July 19, 2010, 12:26:18 PM
I think nearly anything sports related has to be the worst games for the PCE. I haven't dabbled in the soccer games but most main stream sports titles for the system are TERRIBLE. This I judge purely by comparison. NES, Genesis, and SNES ALL had decent-great sports titles. The PCE had abysmal sports titles. Some decent Baseball titles and John Madden does not make a good sports line up. The rest are weak at best.... some mediocre Tennis and Golf games here and there as well. TV Sports Football, Hockey, Basketball, Takin' it to the Hoop, Champions Forever, Jack Nicholas Golf, Power Golf, World Court Tennis.... there really is a barren wasteland of sports titles.
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Post by: Tatsujin on July 19, 2010, 01:15:20 PM
Which makes the system even more sympathic!
But to say, it really has some good socker games. And that is comming from a guy which in generally hates soccer. Also some decent golf games.
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Post by: lord_cack on July 19, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
Now I guess I should try a good soccer game for PCE....
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Post by: Tatsujin on July 19, 2010, 01:40:26 PM
I think nearly anything sports related has to be the worst games for the PCE. I haven't dabbled in the soccer games but most main stream sports titles for the system are TERRIBLE. This I judge purely by comparison. NES, Genesis, and SNES ALL had decent-great sports titles. The PCE had abysmal sports titles. Some decent Baseball titles and John Madden does not make a good sports line up. The rest are weak at best.... some mediocre Tennis and Golf games here and there as well. TV Sports Football, Hockey, Basketball, Takin' it to the Hoop, Champions Forever, Jack Nicholas Golf, Power Golf, World Court Tennis.... there really is a barren wasteland of sports titles.
I dont know man... I hate sports but I enjoyed:
Davis Cup Tennis World Court Tennis Power Golf Takin it to the Hoop and does dodgeball count?
those were all pretty fun.
I liked the Quest mode to Tennis.
THIS IS CHICAGO.
and you are TOTALLY on an Island. lol
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Post by: lord_cack on July 20, 2010, 12:11:47 AM
Davis Cup Tennis World Court Tennis Power Golf Takin it to the Hoop and does dodgeball count?
those were all pretty fun.
I liked the Quest mode to Tennis.
THIS IS CHICAGO.
and you are TOTALLY on an Island. lol
Oh I love the RPG Element to World Court Tennis and I enjoyed Power Golf. But, Hal Hole in One Golf on SNES was fantastic, the PGA games were great (well not the first one). I do think the Tennis games were decent, a bit bland, but I guess, its Tennis yah know. But the NES version of Dodgeball was better in my opinion (also I didn't have to import it or have an adapter to play it) and there isn't a basketball game on the system that compares to NCAA Basketball (I personally loved this game), the later EA Basketball titles, and certainly not NBA Jam. Plus, honestly, I think that the PCE fan is a special breed of gamer, we have soft spots for games with a keen eye for underappreciated (and underrated) games. Which was always one reason I personally loved the system. So we have a slightly skewed sense of greatness and a higher tolerance for all things mediocre.
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Post by: Arkhan on July 20, 2010, 06:57:47 PM
Sport game wise for me, it is really hard to beat the following:
Tennis: Davis Cup on PCE. I like the strategy/controls involved. Soccer: Formation Soccer on PCE, though no soccer game is really any good to me. Football: Tecmo on NES. Duh. or sometimes Cyberball, lol. Hockey: Blades of Steel on NES. Basketball: Takin it to the Hoop! PCE Baseball: Little League Baseball on NES. Baseball stars is fun but for some reason I like this one more.
If I ever want to sports game, I go to one of these games.
Did I miss a sport thats worth mentioning?
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Post by: shubibiman on July 20, 2010, 09:09:34 PM
Final Match Tennis is just the best tennis sim EVER. Formation Soccer 95 is almost as good as a FIFA could be on the Genesis. Power League are pretty good baseball games to me (even though I don't like that sport).
And how about Takin it to the Hoop and Super Volleyball, that are decent arcade sport sims?
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Post by: Digi.k on September 17, 2010, 07:37:35 PM
I was quickly glancing at this thread.. no one mentioned ...
Deep Blue
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Post by: rag-time4 on September 17, 2010, 08:45:10 PM
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Energy. Ugly-looking graphics, clunky controls, need I go on?
Maybe you should post pics to back up your argument. I'd love to see just how bad this game really is!
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Post by: SignOfZeta on September 18, 2010, 05:49:24 PM
I mentioned Energy back on page one of this thread. To really see how crappy it is you have to see a video or play it yourself. Even so, as bad as it is, its still better than Fantastic Four on PS1 or Superman 64.
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Post by: Arkhan on September 18, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
I mentioned Energy back on page one of this thread. To really see how crappy it is you have to see a video or play it yourself. Even so, as bad as it is, its still better than Fantastic Four on PS1 or Superman 64.
Energy is a decent game. Yeah it's kinda gimpy, but its at least got some charm. The scenery/setting is pretty cool, and while the controls do suck a fat one, its still alright.
It kind of reminds me of what'd happen if a Commodore 64 programming team got ahold of a PCE....
clunky controls, not alot of bells and whistles...... ;)
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Post by: DesmondThe3rd on September 18, 2010, 09:50:44 PM
Deep Blue, Double Dungeons, Magical Dinosaur Tour, and Falcon are all pretty bad but the champion of the worst ever TG-16 game I ever played goes to the horrofic 3D mess Gunboat.
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Post by: WoodyXP on September 18, 2010, 11:18:29 PM
Trashing Deep Blue is a bannable offense here on PCEFX.
Quoted for Truth
Uhh tell that to spida1a :roll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmDzfN2McUQ
He's entitled to his opinion. If you have his vol 2 DVD check out his commentary for Deep Blue for further reasons why he dislikes the game. :)
When we start pointing fingers at people just because they share their negative opinions openly, and give justifications for said opinions, then we should be ashamed. I am not saying that we can't disagree with him. Just don't write the guy off just because he views a game differently.
Sunteam doesn't really care for A Link to the Past. I think it's one of the greatest adventures one can have in front of a TV. But, I am not going to smack him in the back of the head and ask, "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" I respect his views. :)
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Post by: TR0N on May 22, 2011, 08:00:12 PM
Trashing Deep Blue is a bannable offense here on PCEFX.
Quoted for Truth
Uhh tell that to spida1a :roll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmDzfN2McUQ
He's entitled to his opinion. If you have his vol 2 DVD check out his commentary for Deep Blue for further reasons why he dislikes the game. :)
When we start pointing fingers at people just because they share their negative opinions openly, and give justifications for said opinions, then we should be ashamed. I am not saying that we can't disagree with him. Just don't write the guy off just because he views a game differently.
Sunteam doesn't really care for A Link to the Past. I think it's one of the greatest adventures one can have in front of a TV. But, I am not going to smack him in the back of the head and ask, "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" I respect his views. :)
Hence the roll eyes icon i've seen the comments here on how to play DB.Though i wouldn't bother not my idea of a 'good time for a shoot'em up.If people enjoy it more power to them far as taste go's.Heck i've,seen how people like spida1a and sunteam rate shockman while it has it's flaws i enjoy the game regardless.
Btw i'd link that deep blue review in a joking manner to see what the reponse would be.
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Post by: soop on May 22, 2011, 10:24:57 PM
Far from being "completist" I'm only snapping up games that I like on the PCE. I was lucky enough to actually start with some smashing games with my PCE GT, but I tend to so a bit of research now, so I should avoid really bad games.
The games in my collection that I would probably avoid playing are...
I guess The Kung Fu. Which is understandable, because it's more of a tech demo. First game I ever bought (chose) along with Street Fighter II. Based purely on the cover, and the fact that it was called "Drunken Master" by the shop. and maybe Hany on the Road (also bought based on the cover) which I'm not a huge fan of.
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Post by: nodtveidt on May 22, 2011, 10:41:30 PM
I cast my vote for ether Energy or Golden Axe. I would vote Deep Blue but the reason I can't play that game is due to the horrid music... the gameplay itself gets better as you practice... and practice... and practice... but neither Energy nor Golden Axe have any saving graces. Both suck hardcore. HARDCORE.
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Post by: apachacha on May 22, 2011, 10:49:52 PM
I mentioned Energy back on page one of this thread. To really see how crappy it is you have to see a video or play it yourself. Even so, as bad as it is, its still better than Fantastic Four on PS1 or Superman 64.
Energy is a decent game. Yeah it's kinda gimpy, but its at least got some charm. The scenery/setting is pretty cool, and while the controls do suck a fat one, its still alright.
I can't get through the subway station, I always get utterly raped before even passing through half the upper path !
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Post by: termis on May 23, 2011, 02:37:30 AM
Wonder Momo. God, what a horrible game.
And to top it off, Wonder Momo is also associated with the worst song video clip I've ever seen/heard in my life.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 23, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
WHAT THE f*ckS WRONG WITH MOMO?
SRSLY. DA f*ck
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Post by: Opethian on May 23, 2011, 03:40:52 PM
PLEASE PLAY WONDER MOMO!
worst game for me would probably be Fail Spin
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Post by: ceti alpha on May 23, 2011, 05:09:05 PM
Wonder Momo. That game is mind-numbingly bad.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 23, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
Wonder MoMo is very fun.
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Post by: nat on May 23, 2011, 05:51:21 PM
Wonder Momo is better than bottom-tier crap like Xevious, Genpei Toumaden, and Talespin... But not by much. At least it's an interesting premise.
I'm having a hard time thinking of a Duo game that is worse than Xevious, Genpei, or Talespin. Oh, I guess there is KLAX. And JJ and Jeff. It really doesn't get much worse than those five.
I laugh hysterically at anyone who thinks that Deep Blue is even close to the same league as these heaps of detritus.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 23, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
Klax is retarded and the logo is like a bad 90s rap music video, summed up into one stupid hand.
I really liked Genpei Toumaden. Whats wrong with it?!
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Post by: nat on May 23, 2011, 07:46:49 PM
Interesting ideas gone horribly, horribly wrong. Some of the worst visuals on the console (not all of them, but some). Horrendous controls. Throw it all together to make one of the worst shitstorms on the system.
At least Namco did right by taking the positive elements and constructing Samurai Ghost, a much better game.
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Post by: RR1980 on May 23, 2011, 08:15:10 PM
Interesting ideas gone horribly, horribly wrong. Some of the worst visuals on the console (not all of them, but some). Horrendous controls. Throw it all together to make one of the worst shitstorms on the system.
At least Namco did right by taking the positive elements and constructing Samurai Ghost, a much better game.
yeah with that cover and the game idea you really expected something really awesome and right the way you would noticed that the graphics aren't quite up to snuff and the controls are terrible but I guess the first one must have sold well enough that it warranted a sequel
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Post by: SignOfZeta on May 23, 2011, 08:54:22 PM
I don't know about "very fun", but it's a least a C- game, which is more than I can say for Genpei Toumaden.
Really though this discussion has made me realize that even the worst PCE games aren't really that bad. There are at least 50 Famicom games that are worse than Energy on PCE. Also, 50 worse games on PS1, C64, and about 200 worse games on 2600.
The hate for Wonder Mono and Kato and Ken...again, people live sheltered lives. Compare to say...Kinnukuman on Famicom. I mean, I LOVE Kinnikuman as a manga (have for decades) but that is a HORRIBLE game. Those Wisdom Tree games for NES? What about the Ikari ports on Famicom? Fantastic Four for PS1? Just about any 2600 game that isn't Combat, Warlords, or Pitfall? Awesome Possum?!?
I'd actually say that the worst PCE games are probably the sim shit like Graduation (just because you either have to be a pederast or 12 years old to not be totally creeped out by them) or the most anticlimactic thing of all: HuCard digital comics which are just boring as hell (and language has nothing to do with it). Then of course there is the mahjong and pachi-slot BS...but even those are all just inherently shitty concepts, not badly made games.
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Post by: termis on May 24, 2011, 01:07:44 AM
There are incredulous responses everywhere, but in the end, they're all just opinions. And you know what they say, opinions are like a$$holes...
I also think a lot of these games that are being named are nowhere near the worst game, let alone bad -- and some, I think are outright good! Games like Xevious, Klax, KCKC, China Warrior, & NES Ikari games, I had fun with at one point or another. Hell, even MUSCLE wasn't half bad when playing with a friend (though to be honest, that was when I was like 9 - I recenly tried it again within the past year, and it did suck pretty bad).
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Post by: Tatsujin on May 24, 2011, 01:20:05 AM
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Post by: ceti alpha on May 24, 2011, 05:01:02 AM
OK, Klax might have to be one of the worst I've played.
To me, Xevious plays like a typical shooter and is, by far, nowhere near bottom-tier - it's nowhere near top-tier action, i.e. Nexzr, either. I guess I find sci-fi more interesting than some girl fighting clumsily on a stage. Kung-Fu and Vigilante play better than Wonder Momo and I don't particularly think much of those games. That's just my a$$hole...I mean opinion.
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Post by: KingDrool on May 24, 2011, 05:28:58 AM
On the US side, I don't know if it's the "worst" game, but my least favorite game is Night Creatures. Wow...terrible game.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on May 24, 2011, 06:19:12 AM
Is the PCE version of Klax especially buggy or ugly or something? I ask because I've played other versions and had zero problem with it, yet people keep bringing it up.
Another thing I've learned from this thread is that if you get enough people together there will be a stated defense for ANY GAME. ANYTHING. Arkhan, for example. He apparently likes almost everything made, even shitty MSX games. Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.
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Post by: ceti alpha on May 24, 2011, 07:20:20 AM
I think the problem with Klax is that it really isn't that great of a game to begin with. There are a ton of puzzle games on the PCE that offer better gameplay, better graphics and better sound. I'd personally rather play Tetris on the Gameboy. That said, I'm sure there are Klax fanatics that would love an Atari 2600 port of the game. As far as the TG/PCE port, it's pretty faithful from what I can tell. I honestly haven't played much of either. Basically, if you like Klax you'd probably find the TG/PCE port to be a fun and faithful port of the arcade.
I just took a quick glance at the Genesis port and I find the sound better on that version. It's less faithful to the arcade, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The FM synthesis on the Genesis actually provides softer, less harsh, sound fx. The sounds in that game can be rather abrasive.
I don't think there's any game that would get 100% unanimity for being the worst game, or the best game, for that matter. There are people here whom I consider to have very similar tastes in games as me that happen to like certain titles I wouldn't go near. That actually makes threads like this fun. It would be pretty boring if everybody had the exact same opinions.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: soop on May 24, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Is the PCE version of Klax especially buggy or ugly or something? I ask because I've played other versions and had zero problem with it, yet people keep bringing it up.
Another thing I've learned from this thread is that if you get enough people together there will be a stated defense for ANY GAME. ANYTHING. Arkhan, for example. He apparently likes almost everything made, even shitty MSX games. Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.
I've not been here long, but Arkhan does NOT like the Amiga. Which, incidentally, the Klax port of which I like.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 24, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Is the PCE version of Klax especially buggy or ugly or something? I ask because I've played other versions and had zero problem with it, yet people keep bringing it up.
Another thing I've learned from this thread is that if you get enough people together there will be a stated defense for ANY GAME. ANYTHING. Arkhan, for example. He apparently likes almost everything made, even shitty MSX games. Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.
I don't like everything. I hate most C64 games. the arcade ports are frigging shit. The action platformers are mental.
Most Amiga games are shitty European attempts at Japanese arcade quality. You end up with dodgy gameplay, crappy sampled guitars...., one button crap. The RPGs were great though, and all the weird games. Flashback on Amiga was great... but its great everywhere. Esp. Sega CD, where I don't need an annoying rig just to play it. As a whole, the C64 and Amiga are about the most unamusing gaming platforms I've ever tried.
I have this strange ability that I think alot of people lack: to look past certain faults in a game and enjoy the game. I like Hydlide. Americans as a whole hate the game. Japanese people sure did love it enough to get 3 games, remakes, and all kinds of stuff. So, if liking Hydlide makes me have problems, so does most of Japan. There is a difference between minor flaws, and total horse shit. Hydlides a bit vauge, the combat system is strange (but its also NEW, considering its the first to do it like that... and then Ys followed suit). ... but the controls are fine. The graphics are fine for the time... theres an interesting plot, and enough to make the game amusing.
But other games.... say, Sidearms for C64. What is going on. Stupid music, horrible, muddy, disastrous graphics.... terrible controls. The list could go on and on for most ports on the C64.
What shitty MSX games are we referring to here? Id be willing to bet these "shitty" games are MSX classics. People see the blocky scrolling and go OMG ITS CRAP. Its just eye-games. Its scrolling the same as if it were smooth scrolling. Its just in chunks of 8.
And like you've said here, and like I've already said tons of times in the past, long ago, even the worst PCE games out there are pretty good. Energy is pretty bad compared to the top tier games, but its still not bad. There are TONS of shit NES games, Atari 2600 games, and C64 games.
Real shit. Double Dragon on C64 shit.
The shittiest PCE has appears to be Energy or something. Shining diamonds compared to Double Dragon on C64.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: nat on May 24, 2011, 03:05:12 PM
The Turbo port of KLAX is fine, except it has no music. The biggest problem is that KLAX sucks ass to begin with.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 24, 2011, 03:19:17 PM
that alone without even playing the game, will tell you it sucks.
I remember the first time I played Klax.
I asked "Is this it? this is all I do?!" and they told me "yes" and I pulled the f*cker out of the Genesis and went "put in Golden axe before I kill you"
I mustve been around 10 at the time
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Post by: Bonknuts on May 24, 2011, 03:20:51 PM
Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.
It's been ages since I played Ikari warriors on the NES, but I don't remember having any problem with the games. They weren't great arcade ports, but I didn't think they were shitty either. Then again, I loved Zelda 2 and Fester's Quest was actually fun (even if I didn't beat it). I also liked Heavy Barrel on the NES. How do you rate that one?
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 24, 2011, 03:28:28 PM
Whats wrong with Zelda 2, festers quest, and heavy barrel!? do people rag on them?
Also, Ikari 1 on NES was great. I still play that game alot. Though Guerilla War and Iron Tank are more fun.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: nat on May 24, 2011, 03:33:35 PM
Zelda 2 > all other Zeldas
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Post by: roflmao on May 24, 2011, 03:57:20 PM
I loved playing Klax back in the day on my Express. It played really well on the Express when a lot of other TG16 games didn't carry over well to that tiny screen. Of course I LOVED Tetris and am generally a fan of "casual" puzzle games, so maybe I'm biased...
Dangit, now I want to hunt down Klax again...
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: ceti alpha on May 24, 2011, 04:41:45 PM
Oh man. Zelda 2 was the shit. Who could possibly crap on that game? Zelda 2 was actually my introduction to the series. Love it.
Although not my introduction to series, I don't remember being any more excited for a game's release than Zelda 2! I must have rented it a zillion times before my dad broke down and bought it outside of Christmas or my B-day. Zelda 2 simply rulz!
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2011, 04:39:33 AM
It seems to be bashed heavily, while the first game, which is an overly generic, simple, kind of repetitive game that is bested by Neutopia and Golvellius, gets treated like royalty.
The first one is nice and all, but its not exactly the most amazing thing ever. The graphics are kinda derp, among other crap.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: nodtveidt on May 25, 2011, 05:58:54 AM
I still remember TV promos for the first Zelda, touting it like it had the most amazing graphics ever. Hell, SMB looked better. Zelda 2 rapes Zelda 1 many times over, not only in looks but also in gameplay style and things to do. It's also noticeably harder. Someday I would like to remake Zelda 2 for the PCE on hucard, with sweet new graphics and improved sound. Squirrel 3 ftw! :D
Anyways, while I think that Wonder Momo is a... well... rather subpar game, it's certainly not as bad as Energy. Its purpose is just rather stupid and juvenile, though I love the loads of gratuitous panty shots. :D Xevious... well, it's a pretty lame shooter to begin with, but I don't think it's bargain barrel rubbish either. It doesn't look or play too different from the arcade version. And Klax... the premise of the game is pretty dumb, so the PCE version isn't gonna improve an already stupid idea (hey, it's an Atari game, what do you want?). Despite that though, the PCE version of Klax plays very well, even if the concept itself is rather ridiculous. I've never finished it because it gets boring (I did finish the NES version long ago though... the final level is really patience-trying).
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2011, 06:51:39 AM
Klax is what happens when you try to capture the magic of tetris but miss all of the magic in the process.
Wonder Momo is stupid and juvenile. Its about as serious as RoyVegas' love for the turbo.
sick burn.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Gogan on May 25, 2011, 06:52:44 AM
This thread makes me sad :(
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: soop on May 25, 2011, 10:30:45 AM
Well, I understand... but it's better than Sega forums' constant justification of "why the genesis is the best thing ever". That's what I love about you guys, problem solving, introspective, loving-the-system, let's concentrate on the PCE-ness of you all.
Hell, I don't need to justify my love, and the "what could have been" thread made me a bit sad... but if you want to cheer yourself up, just turn the f*cker on :D
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Gogan on May 25, 2011, 10:33:46 AM
Think I'll fire up some Energy to lift my spirits.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
USE ENERGY TO BOOST YOUR ENERGY
HAH.
I like the game, I play it at least once a week. They should make another one.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 25, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
It's been ages since I played Ikari warriors on the NES, but I don't remember having any problem with the games. They weren't great arcade ports, but I didn't think they were shitty either. Then again, I loved Zelda 2 and Fester's Quest was actually fun (even if I didn't beat it). I also liked Heavy Barrel on the NES. How do you rate that one?
As a kid I was a HUGE fan of Ikari. Victory Road in particular, but the first game as well. VR is like a crazy "that might have been a dream I had" version of the first game. Its in space, and there are suits of armor and swords and shit. Awesome as HELL that game is.
The problems with the NES versions of these games are pretty common when talking about NES ports of arcade games in general. The graphics are shit, everything is slow, every sprite on screen is in a perpetual state of either flicker, slowdown, or just only being only half there. That's actually my biggest problem with NES games in general. Aside from the very early games and overhead RPGs everything seems to flicker all the time. It drives me nuts. The more advanced the games got the worse the flicker got. By the time we got to Mighty Final Fight or the Turtles and Battle Toads games...you could pretty much only see half of any on screen character at a time. People just...put up with it, but it drove me crazy. Nothing in the arcade did that. Nothing on my Colecovision did that. WTF?
Like many arcade ports on NES "enhancements" were made. Ikari 1 is now so f*cking long that you'll probably kill yourself before you finish it. You might even die of old age before you finish it because you can't beat it without a cheat code, and even if you have the code you still might not beat it because even the cheat code is limited.
For Victory Road I have to confess that I didn't try quite as hard to finish this one since when I rented it it was obvious that it was just as bad. It has SHOPS in it for f*cks sake. What the hell is the deal with adding shops to NES ports of arcade games? Stryder, Rygar...these games had no shops in the arcade and were much better that way.
Regarding Heavy Barrel: While Victory Road is my favorite "rotating stick Rambo game" I did love Heavy Barrel. I didn't even bother with the NES version. My arcade got rid of it before I could finish it but I had a chance to clear it a couple of weeks ago when I visited Galloping Ghost arcade in the Chicago area.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2011, 06:17:11 PM
I beat Ikari 1 for NES. It could have been better but it was still ok. It's kinda slow...
This turned out better. It's basically Ikari Warriors.
Ikari Warriors 2 was still fun too. It could've been worse. The C64 Ikari 1 looks like it is pretty great. The controls suck, the graphics are C64, and there's like 1 song in the entire game. The NES one trumps that nonsense!
or it coulda been this: lolol.
but, yeah, flicker. Welcome to NES.
This makes me sad. Is it Ninja Spirit, or RUN TO THE RIGHT: THE GAME. What's sad is it looks like one of the better C64 games. But, this thread isn't about that stupid ass computer.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: apachacha on May 25, 2011, 07:09:38 PM
I like the game, I play it at least once a week. They should make another one.
Would you have any recomendations how not to die in the subway stage while trying to go the upper path ?
If you're not already doing it. Go slow. I don't care if it's an action game! I go slow through some parts of that game, like a patient sniper.
are you playing with the turbo buttons and crap? I find sometimes if you do that, you hold buttons to attack and then when you need to jump/move around, you're kind of stuck for half a second, because the controls are a bit tardy.
Today is Thursday. I haven't played Energy since last weds. TODAY IS THE DAY I DO IT AGAIN.
Anyone else have a rotation of games they play weekly? lol
I play China Warrior, Energy, Bonk 1, KC, and Last Alert every week usually.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: soop on May 26, 2011, 03:10:35 AM
I couldn't play a game like Bonk with regularity. I'd probably leave it for a long time after I beat it, or have one big session where I get as far as I can.
I'm aiming to loan out some of my units to friends, and I'll probably inlude PC Genjin as I've completed it.
The games I play most often are Street Fighter II (have to let my thumbs heal back though ;) ), a bit of Volfied, Puzznic, Ghouls and Ghosts and shootemups.
I've been taking my Nomad to work though, trying to complete Castle of Illusion in my lunch break (and running out of time), and I was just playing Rocket Knight Adventures, which is an incredible game. I'll need to sit down and finish Castle of Illusion on the weekend, and then hand it off to a friend to share the love.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Gogan on May 26, 2011, 03:21:07 AM
I play Last Alert at least once a month. The blood is so realistic.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: roflmao on May 26, 2011, 03:25:58 AM
I typically play Devil's Crush and a Bomberman game at least once a month and a play a shmup a few times a week. Other than that I'll play a platformer if my son is around because he loves watching my exceedingly high skill at dying in them.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Mathius on May 26, 2011, 04:42:42 AM
I am currently playing Heavy Barrel on the Data East collection on the Wii. I love that game too, and I loved it on the NES also.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: blueraven on May 26, 2011, 05:54:13 AM
Sooooo Klax or Falcon?
Even the NES Klax Pwns the PCE.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 26, 2011, 06:03:44 AM
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: ceti alpha on May 26, 2011, 06:26:44 AM
haha. Oh, Falcon. How I tried to love thee. I remember one level where I would just die out of nowhere, every time. I'd like to pick it up again just for the sake of nostalgia. But man, what a clunky game.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: nat on May 27, 2011, 11:24:01 AM
It has levels?
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 27, 2011, 12:00:13 PM
I think the key problem with the game was that it was on the Turbografx. Obviously I don't mean that as a swipe against the Turbob, but the developers just had to sacrifice too much. Computers of the day were capable of much more, and it showed. The Falcon series was released on several platforms, including MSX, Macintosh, IBM PC, Amiga, Atari ST, etc, and was highly praised in reviews. The TG port just couldn't offer a decent simulator experience.
Consider that this is Falcon 3.0 for the PC. It was released in 1991 - not long before the TG port - and was received very well:
This is the 1984 MSX-2/SMS port:
And here's the TG port just for comparison's sake:
Falcon on the TG was a failed attempt at bringing a very good flight simulator to a console. Flight simulators need keyboard controls and a proper joystick. Not only that, but like the reviewer says, it was probably rushed out to the market.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 27, 2011, 01:30:25 PM
Youre delusional.
If thats a very good flight sim, Justin Beiber is a very good singer.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 27, 2011, 01:38:59 PM
Back in the day Falcon was THE flight sim. This was true of the b/w Mac version as well as the Amiga version. I've never played the TG version.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: ceti alpha on May 27, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
Back in the day Falcon was THE flight sim. This was true of the b/w Mac version as well as the Amiga version. I've never played the TG version.
Falcon on the Amiga blows the TG port away. Don't even bother with the TG port. I guess it was kinda neat to see the TG try some primitive polygon stuff, but even that's a big stretch. In fact, the looks like the best out of the bunch, for that time period.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Arkhan on May 27, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
I think I am anti flight sims at all after being addicted to Steel Battalion for a few years straight. Everything else sim-related sucks now. -_-
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: Tatsujin on May 27, 2011, 04:30:58 PM
There are no worst pce games, only less good ones.
Title: Re: What is the worst game on the PC Engine?
Post by: ceti alpha on May 27, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
I think I am anti flight sims at all after being addicted to Steel Battalion for a few years straight. Everything else sim-related sucks now. -_-
Yeah, I used to be really big into flight sims, but I honestly haven't played one since Falcon on the TG. heh. Falcon on the TG is that bad.
Yeah, I used to play alot of PC ones, but then I got Steel Battalion and everything but that as far as sims makes me go THIS BLOWS.
Oh! Steel Battalion! That's the Battletech game for the Xbox that had the special controller. Amazing game. A friend of mine actually had that, along with the special "simulation" controller. Blew my mind. The only battledroid sim experience that beat Steel Battalion was a simulator I played while living in Whistler, BC. There were four stand up cabinets/cockpits with a LAN connection. When you walked into the cabinet you were surrounded by blinking red buttons and a ton of control knobs. What a blast. I kind of forget what the graphics were like, but I remember being blown away - this was in '98, btw. At the end of the game, you received a print out of all your stats and they also showed everyone a replay that switched among the perspectives of the respective players.
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Post by: roflmao on May 27, 2011, 05:03:59 PM
That's the Battletech game for the Xbox that had the special controller. Amazing game. A friend of mine actually had that, along with the special "simulation" controller. Blew my mind. The only battledroid sim experience that beat Steel Battalion was a simulator I played while living in Whistler, BC. There were four stand up cabinets/cockpits with a LAN connection. When you walked into the cabinet you were surrounded by blinking red buttons and a ton of control knobs. What a blast. I kind of forget what the graphics were like, but I remember being blown away - this was in '98, btw. At the end of the game, you received a print out of all your stats and they also showed everyone a replay that switched among the perspectives of the respective players.
Sounds like a Battletech Center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleTech_Centers
I've always wanted to visit one of these - I've played Battletech (The tabletop miniatures game) since the early 90s and when I started reading about them in magazines I was completely amazed!
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Post by: Mathius on May 27, 2011, 05:09:31 PM
I think I am anti flight sims at all after being addicted to Steel Battalion for a few years straight. Everything else sim-related sucks now. -_-
Yeah, I used to be really big into flight sims, but I honestly haven't played one since Falcon on the TG. heh. Falcon on the TG is that bad.
Yeah, I used to play alot of PC ones, but then I got Steel Battalion and everything but that as far as sims makes me go THIS BLOWS.
Oh! Steel Battalion! That's the Battletech game for the Xbox that had the special controller. Amazing game. A friend of mine actually had that, along with the special "simulation" controller. Blew my mind. The only battledroid sim experience that beat Steel Battalion was a simulator I played while living in Whistler, BC. There were four stand up cabinets/cockpits with a LAN connection. When you walked into the cabinet you were surrounded by blinking red buttons and a ton of control knobs. What a blast. I kind of forget what the graphics were like, but I remember being blown away - this was in '98, btw. At the end of the game, you received a print out of all your stats and they also showed everyone a replay that switched among the perspectives of the respective players.
We had the same exact thing down here! I am pretty sure that it was Battletech. I played a little Steel Battalion at MGC and loved it! I really want the whole rig though I am sure it's uber expensive.
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Post by: Tatsujin on May 27, 2011, 05:24:17 PM
I think I am anti flight sims at all after being addicted to Steel Battalion for a few years straight. Everything else sim-related sucks now. -_-
Yeah, I used to be really big into flight sims, but I honestly haven't played one since Falcon on the TG. heh. Falcon on the TG is that bad.
Yeah, I used to play alot of PC ones, but then I got Steel Battalion and everything but that as far as sims makes me go THIS BLOWS.
Oh! Steel Battalion! That's the Battletech game for the Xbox that had the special controller. Amazing game. A friend of mine actually had that, along with the special "simulation" controller. Blew my mind. The only battledroid sim experience that beat Steel Battalion was a simulator I played while living in Whistler, BC. There were four stand up cabinets/cockpits with a LAN connection. When you walked into the cabinet you were surrounded by blinking red buttons and a ton of control knobs. What a blast. I kind of forget what the graphics were like, but I remember being blown away - this was in '98, btw. At the end of the game, you received a print out of all your stats and they also showed everyone a replay that switched among the perspectives of the respective players.
Steel Battalion: Line of Contact (online) was soooooooo addicting. I was the most feared artillery pilot on the game. I would take artillery indoors and still f*ck everyone up.
I have a replay of me firing overhead rockets down a hall and killing someone, thus winning the match. The guys own team was laughing at him.
Artillery was yknow, designed for outdoor use only. I figured out indoor use, and proceeded to own.
The game you're talking about is actually just MechWarrior 4 with specialized cockpits (expensive).
They had those here too, and it was awesome. There used to be tournaments and stuff. We used to tear it up! They got rid of em at the dave and busters here though. it was disappointing.
You can use the Steel Battalion controller for Mechwarrior on PC. Just need a USB doodad for your controller, and the drivers.