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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Sales & Trades => Topic started by: ShinobiMan on September 06, 2010, 03:17:20 AM
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Hey guys. First time poster here. I've never sold anything from my collection before, and rather than go through ebay, I wanted to give honest PC Engine collectors a chance to score this one.
A few months ago, it was brought to my attention that I own one of (if not the) rarest games in the Turbo Grafx CD collection. That game is The Dynastic Hero.
Throughout my childhood I collected games with my Dad, and since he passed away in 2007, I have not parted with anything from the bulk of the collection. But unfortunately, money has been tight recently, and the selling of this game to a fellow collector could really help my situation.
Upon seeing what this title goes for on EBAY, and after receiving private messages from members on Digital Press, I have decided that in order for me to sell, the offer would have to be $500.
The private message I received stated that they bought the game recently for $450. Again, I'm asking for $500.
Thank you for taking an interest. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Leave us honest PC Engine collectors alone and sell it where they welcome price gouging clowns with open arms - on eBay. The last one sold there for $480 (which saved the buyer $20, earned him/her $10 in eBay Bucks, and provided 'em with the various buyer protections baked into eBay transactions), so why on earth should anyone pay you a $60 premium over eBay's already sky-high prices?
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boo,
I sold my copy two years ago for $150, and I felt bad for doing that. When I got it back in the day, I got it with Bonk 3CD, and Super Air Zonk in one of those "TZD buy two get one free deals".
I offer 500 pesos.
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Guys, I'm basing my price off of this article (http://www.racketboy.com/retro/turbografx-16/2010/07/the-rarest-most-valuable-pc-engine-turbografx-16-games.html) and first hand accounts from people on Digital Press, a community that I've been apart of for over 9 years. Why would I sell for any less when I know there are collectors out there who can and will pay $500 for it.
I'm very attached to my collection, and over the years I've never sold anything from it. This is actually a big step for me to take. I'm not trying to rip anyone off. This is what it sells for legitimately.
On a side note, I too got this game through TZD back in 1994. God I miss those days.
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No worries dude, you should sell it for whatever you can get.....(try eBay!) ;)
We've just had a run of new members coming to these forums and making their first post one of these "Hey I have an ultra rare game, first $500 gets it!" and it strokes the community the wrong way.
We get it that it's ultra rare, and goes for crazy prices on the bay, but don't expect to make too many friends on these forums posting these kind of threads. This is a place where long time members are posting "free game raffle" threads literally giving games to each other for free.
I'd like to see these threads go away, by making it a 20 minimum to post things for sale personally. I'm sick of seeing these one and done posters, where their only post is of a sale of an ultra rare $599.99 game insulting everyone here. Then they *poof* disappear never to be seen again.
I hope you're not one of those ShinobiMan, I'd like to get to know REAL new members! :)
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I'd say turboStar pretty much nailed it, but don't take it personally.
I agree there should be a minimum post count before posting a FS thread OR a WTB thread.
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As has been said, what in the world would be the point of us buying it here, or you selling it here? If any of us here were STUPID enough to pay $500 for this game, then we'd just buy it from eBay. eBay is where people buy stuff like that for ridiculous prices, so eBay is where you sell it.
This statement, "The private message I received stated that they bought the game recently for $450. Again, I'm asking for $500." just makes me want to puke my f*cking guts out.
"Sorry, I won't take %10 less than totally insane price, I want the full totally insane price. I want ten times what it cost new. I want as much money as it has ever gone for on eBay, and I don't want to pay any seller/PayPal fees. I want money!"
Even even if you can't see that you are one seriously greedy mofo, and even if you can't see that some douchebags on Digitial Press are totally out of touch, it doesn't matter because you aren't going to get anything like that kind of money around here. Take it to eBay.
I mean, "FS: The Dynastic Hero (COMPLETE MINT CONDITION) for Turbo Duo *USA Release*" That's an eBay auction name right there already. Just see if you can fit OOP R@RE in there somehow.
I don't know what the solution to this problem is, but the endless flood of wankers who's first post is an attempt to gouge this forum's members for some hilariously overpriced US release is getting really old. I barely even have the energy to flame these guys and tell them to get real jobs.
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There is a solution to these kinds of threads. I am gathering my facts first and will make a formal pitch to Aaron.
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Sorry dudes. I didn't mean to rub you the wrong way. Truth is, I didn't know it was a "totally insane" price. In fact, I already got a private message from someone who is interested, as it's one of two games that completes his collection. So there you go.
I love the Turbo Grafx and it's games, so I'm hoping I can contribute to this community when I can. Sorry my first post had to be a sale, but honestly, I thought I'd reach out to the people who would perhaps want or appreciate this game the most. Not some random game collector who just wants it because it's so rare.
As cheesy as it sounds, I want to give it a good home.
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Sorry dudes. I didn't mean to rub you the wrong way. Truth is, I didn't know it was a "totally insane" price. In fact, I already got a private message from someone who is interested, as it's one of two games that completes his collection. So there you go.
One person inquires about it here and "there ya go" ?? what does that mean?
See when i deal with other fellow collectors that want a game to go to a good home they usually sell it at a fair price, a price that a collector can appreciate and be thankful as they did did not have to go to ebay and over pay for it.
How long has it been up for sale on DP? and now you are over here...
Your waiting an awfully long time for a game that is "worth it" to sell <<shrugs>>
EDIT: dude you posted back on August 4th looking to sell this on DP, hey look we are a good bunch here and love the TG and PCE but you are coming off looking for top dollar and you are getting judged... to bad man as new members are always welcome but first impressions count...
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In fact, I already got a private message from someone who is interested, as it's one of two games that completes his collection. So there you go.
Most likely one of the handful of people here that have helped push TG prices to all new ludicrous highs. Hardly the norm as certain people have the "I NEED IT WILL PAY WHATEVER IT TAKES" attitudes.
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EDIT: dude you posted back on August 4th looking to sell this on DP, hey look we are a good bunch here and love the TG and PCE but you are coming off looking for top dollar and you are getting judged... to bad man as new members are always welcome but first impressions count...
I actually would have posted it on this website the same day, but it took over a month for my membership to be accepted here.
hey look we are a good bunch here and love the TG and PCE but you are coming off looking for top dollar and you are getting judged... to bad man as new members are always welcome but first impressions count...
Look, forget about it. I thought I was offering something great for Turbo collectors, as I was and still am one myself. I'm asking for $500 because I thought that's what it was worth.
If you guys want to play judge jury and executioner based on your first impression of me, I won't stop you. Know this though, I'm a pretty cool guy. Heck I've been a part of the Digital Press community for over 9 years. They like me over there, and many of them said they would buy the game from me if they had the money. Some even said it was a decent price. I'm only going one what I've been told. Sorry if I came off like a money grubbing whore.
So how about $489? :wink:
Also, if you want to read the thread I started on Digital Press, I encourage you to. http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147088
Based on the warm response there, you can understand why I'm a bit perplexed at the reaction here.
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Heck I've been a part of the Digital Press community for over 9 years. They like me over there, and many of them said they would buy the game from me if they had the money.
Yes, this is not surprising. Those guys seem to love the idea that their game collections are (supposedly) worth ass loads of money.
How many people have ever payed anything like $500 for this game? Three? One? Just because one day some shithead on eBay with his first credit card payed way way too much for something doesn't mean that's what its worth in the grand scheme of things. If it was actually worth $500 you would have sold it by now. Why do you still have the game? What's the problem?
People will only pay $500 for this game in a crazy environment like eBay. It doesn't really happen very often outside of that f*cked up, unrealistic environment. If you want that kind of cash, then take it there. This is a website for fans of NEC stuff. We do buy and sell here, but its not the focus and we keep the prices reasonable. I'm not going to drop nearly week's pay on some silly thing like Dynastic Hero and I'd be surprised if anyone else here did either. You're well into the realm of arcade PCBs and Neo Geo carts with that kind of lunacy.
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Yes, this is not surprising. Those guys seem to love the idea that their game collections are (supposedly) worth ass loads of money.
How many people have ever payed anything like $500 for this game? Three? One? Just because one day some shithead on eBay with his first credit card payed way way too much for something doesn't mean that's what its worth in the grand scheme of things. If it was actually worth $500 you would have sold it by now. Why do you still have the game? What's the problem?
People will only pay $500 for this game in a crazy environment like eBay. It doesn't really happen very often outside of that f*cked up, unrealistic environment. If you want that kind of cash, then take it there. This is a website for fans of NEC stuff. We do buy and sell here, but its not the focus and we keep the prices reasonable. I'm not going to drop nearly week's pay on some silly thing like Dynastic Hero and I'd be surprised if anyone else here did either. You're well into the realm of arcade PCBs and Neo Geo carts with that kind of lunacy.
OK, fair enough response. But hey, you can't blame me for trying. I honestly thought that it was worth $500, and at this point in my life I really need the money. I've fallen on hard times like a lot of people in this country.
I think I'll try ebay. I'm sorry for wasting your time.
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I'll just stick with my copy of Wonder Boy IV on the Genny. :)
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I've fallen on hard times like a lot of people in this country.
Yes, poor America and its legions of downtrodden who can barely afford the newest iPhone or the $300 a month it takes to fuel their school bus sized SUV.
Since you didn't specify which country, I assume you are American. If you are actually Somali or Haitian, except my apologies.
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Yes, poor America and its legions of downtrodden who can barely afford the newest iPhone or the $300 a month it takes to fuel their school bus sized SUV.
Since you didn't specify which country, I assume you are American. If you are actually Somali or Haitian, except my apologies.
WOW, you really are a mean spirited person. Do people actually like you around here?
Yes I am American, and for your information I can't afford an iphone. I live paycheck to paycheck and rarely can afford any luxuries, yet alone my rent.
Man, it's amazing how even on a PC Engine message board you can find such hate. Really guys, I didn't mean any harm when I started this thread, but some people are determined to label me.
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Shinobi, I'm sure you're a nice guy in real life, however this isn't real life it the internets, therefore we just see a price gouger. You'd probably get a pass if you were a regular member not a newb that is only here to further drive prices up on our beloved turbos. There are guys here that have spent years {decades} slowly putting together near complete collections just to see prices triple or more in the last 2 years making it near impossible.
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In fact, I already got a private message from someone who is interested, as it's one of two games that completes his collection. So there you go.
And they obviously weren't interested in paying your inflated price, else it'd be sold. Right?
I thought I'd reach out to the people who would perhaps want or appreciate this game the most. Not some random game collector who just wants it because it's so rare.
I don't think such a person exists, not here anyway. I can't think of any active, contributing PCEFXers that would willingly pay more than bloated eBay prices, so the only interest you'll find at such a price will be from OMGR@RE!! collectors or someone looking to toss it up on eBay with an $800 BIN.
Really guys, I didn't mean any harm when I started this thread, but some people are determined to label me.
You mentioned a sale for $450 and I showed you an eBay auction that would have netted the seller a similar amount, yet you feel the need to tack on an additional 10-15% and insist that you're not padding the bill. And you wonder why you've been called out for price gouging?!?
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Props to the OP for actually taking this like a mature individual. I understand the frustration of a lot of members here trying to complete their collections, but you guys do tend to rip people apart (sometimes justifiably).
Just my humble opinion, of course.
/dons flame suit.
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I understand the frustration of a lot of members here trying to complete their collections, but you guys do tend to rip people apart (sometimes justifiably).
Quoted for truth.
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Who's frustrated and since when is telling someone to go to eBay if they want eBay prices 'ripping people apart'?
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Guys, I'm basing my price off of this article (http://www.racketboy.com/retro/turbografx-16/2010/07/the-rarest-most-valuable-pc-engine-turbografx-16-games.html) and first hand accounts from people on Digital Press, a community that I've been apart of for over 9 years.
f*ck Digital Press.
Those sissy pansy blowhards don't know dick about the PCE and cry all the time about everything.
The game isn't worth 500$, anyone who writes an article saying it is should be put down. That whole price article is a laugh. ignore it.
also ignore anyone who actually pays the jacked pricing. There are some turbob collectors who will get what they want no matter what the price is. They're what we call "dumbasses".
anyway, welcome. and no worries for your honest mistake.
The game is realistically worth like, 150-200$.
It's not like it's become any rarer since the last time it sold for normal prices. The only thing thats changed is more greedy peckerpumps showed up to cash in on the fact that the Turbo Grafx in and of itself is more obscure than the other US systems of the time.
Dont become one of the greedy peckerpumps!
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I would suggest you get in on the game related conversations we are having and let us get to know you better. And after awhile if you still feel the need to sell it give the community a good deal on it. Heck if you only sell it for $150 you are still getting a profit.
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I understand the frustration of a lot of members here trying to complete their collections, but you guys do tend to rip people apart (sometimes justifiably).
Quoted for truth.
And you can go f*ck yourself.
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I understand the frustration of a lot of members here trying to complete their collections, but you guys do tend to rip people apart (sometimes justifiably).
Quoted for truth.
And you can go f*ck yourself.
Quoted for truth.
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And both of you prove my point. Thanks
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And both of you prove my point. Thanks
(sometimes justifiably).
Game. Set. Match.
Arkhan.
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I hate that veteran members run off potential new members just on the fact that they try to sell their games. We could use new blood on these forums. Its always the same elitist attitude that shoos people away. Are we not collectors? Are we not gamers? if you had 500 to blow wouldn't you jump at the chance to buy that game or any other desirable product? Lets not throw stones NO ONE here is perfect. We all have flaws and needs. Than man could genuinely need 500 bucks for surgery,car repair or rent. Would we be helping him? That game is SUPER rare not common. Hence, some gamers with money (not C.C's in every situation) are willing to drop down that paper to not waste time or energy hunting down a copy.
I just wish our forum wouldn't be quick to judge someone trying to make a buck. Whats wrong with someone trying to expand their chances of selling a title and earn the most income for any game. Supply and demand people
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I hate that veteran members run off potential new members just on the fact that they try to sell their games. We could use new blood on these forums. Its always the same elitist attitude that shoos people away. Are we not collectors? Are we not gamers? if you had 500 to blow wouldn't you jump at the chance to buy that game or any other desirable product? Lets not throw stones NO ONE here is perfect. We all have flaws and needs. Than man could genuinely need 500 bucks for surgery,car repair or rent. Would we be helping him? That game is SUPER rare not common. Hence, some gamers with money (not C.C's in every situation) are willing to drop down that paper to not waste time or energy hunting down a copy.
I just wish our forum wouldn't be quick to judge someone trying to make a buck. Whats wrong with someone trying to expand their chances of selling a title and earn the most income for any game. Supply and demand people
If most of these people would post BEYOND their for sale threads it would be different.
"if you had 500 to blow wouldn't you jump at the chance to buy that game or any other desirable product? "
Not even close. ANd btw this game is not SUPER RARE. As stated above it's no more rare than it was 2 years or so ago when it went for half or less than $500. ;)
"I just wish our forum wouldn't be quick to judge someone trying to make a buck. Whats wrong with someone trying to expand their chances of selling a title and earn the most income for any game. Supply and demand people."
As also stated above it's just as much the flawed "logic" people use to justify their prices. If that's the going rate/cheap then it would be sold fast right? If you want Ebay $ go to Ebay. Why would anyone here give you the same $ when the seller gets no Ebay fees taken,less buyer protection, etc?
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We've been dicked over too many times, and our system seems to be the one everyone tries to cash in on.
We call it like we see it. The newcomers will either recognize the suggestions as valid and take heed.
or they will cry, QQ, and go to digitpress where all the people who couldn't cope ran away to, and say "PCEFX IS MEAN THEY HURT MY FEELINGS"
and shit.
were not driving anyone away. We're breaking them in. I think it's more fair that we show em how we do immediately, instead of 6 months later when they go OMG WTF and crap.
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if you had 500 to blow wouldn't you jump at the chance to buy that game or any other desirable product?
Get it through your thick skull: this game is not worth $500.
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Yeah I have 500$ to blow. I bought something worth 500$ instead of a game going for 350$ too many
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I hate that veteran members run off potential new members just on the fact that they try to sell their games.
You make it sound like a bad thing. I legitimately would like to see more new people around here, but if all they want to do is rip us off...we don't need those people. If this was a post about how to clear the 3rd stage of Blazing Lazers or repair a laser we wouldn't be in this situation. We need new blood, we don't need another dumping thread.
We could use new blood on these forums. Its always the same elitist attitude that shoos people away. Are we not collectors? Are we not gamers? if you had 500 to blow wouldn't you jump at the chance to buy that game or any other desirable product?
I have $500 to spend...but I'm not going to buy something that's worth less than $200 with it. That's why I have $500. I don't just write blank checks for everything that catches my eye. Only morons do that.
Lets not throw stones NO ONE here is perfect. We all have flaws and needs.
Oh f*ck, not this again. You forgot to mention our high horses, our holier than though attitudes, and all those other cliches people who can't articulate their thoughts very well use when they are criticized. We don' think he's a jerk because we think we're perfect. We think he's a jerk because he's trying to rip us off, and he won't just go away now that its obvious he isn't going to get is insane sum. The guy INSISTS that his game be purchased only for a record high price, nothing less, just because he is broke. Because HE needs money, the entire economy of TG-16 is supposed to change to match his needs. How is this less elitist?
Than man could genuinely need 500 bucks for surgery,car repair or rent. Would we be helping him?
He never presented it as a charity case. He simply said "This is what its worth, I know for a fact, I won't take even %10 less." and the numbers he's talking about are, when adjusted for eBay fees, possibly higher than anyone has ever paid for this game.
I just wish our forum wouldn't be quick to judge someone trying to make a buck. Whats wrong with someone trying to expand their chances of selling a title and earn the most income for any game. Supply and demand people
If you are actually asking us what is wrong with unchecked greed, and why anyone would oppose it, I will refer to the one million or so books that have been written on the subject. As for supply and demand...note that this game is still in his possession after a month of it being for sale. This is because he set a price that is way to high. To really see supply and demand at work, just stick the game on eBay with a $0.01 starting bid, no reserve, and $6 shipping. Pure supply and demand at work. I doubt it would break $400, even on eBay, let alone $500.
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Hey Zeta
I totally believe you are within reason for getting annoyed at someone "pimping their wares" and bailing without posting. This particular individual did post a few (albeit minimal) comments in the discussion thread. He didn't strike me as a "One and done poster" He didn't post harshly to the replies he received. He seemed like he could have been a great addition to our ranks IMO. He may not have divulged why he needed the money, but he insisted that was his price to part with it. I don't think he needed a reason.
I think it is incredibly subjective what a collector is willing to pay for something he wants. While we both have the means to purchase items of high value, I'm not so critical paying more for a particular collectible if it means I will attain it with no hassle. Certainly don't think that makes me a moron, simply saves me time hunting down a copy or negotiating an unreasonable trade. I know it irks some, but to each his own.
Some games are priced too ludicrously though. Magical Chase complete most certainly IS NOT worth $1500.00. What I'm trying to say, I wouldn't insult someone if they offered to sell me one for that price, I would simply decline.
Perhaps I used "Elitist" poorly. I have been on this site for less than a year and have seen numerous debates on how much should a game be sold or some angered because a price was too high. Why comment? if the seller gets no replies, doesn't that send the perfect message?
I agree that he should sell on Ebay to get the most for his investment. I just hate reading posts that have a condescending attitude. Give people a chance to show their true colors that's all.
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Exile, you're wrong, his number 1 post was the sale. Please check your facts.
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thanks gunner I'll retract the comment about his minimal posting. but stand by the rest. He still seemed like a good dude despite his lack of business savvy #-o
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Hey Zeta
I totally believe you are within reason for getting annoyed at someone "pimping their wares" and bailing without posting. This particular individual did post a few (albeit minimal) comments in the discussion thread. He didn't strike me as a "One and done poster" He didn't post harshly to the replies he received. He seemed like he could have been a great addition to our ranks IMO. He may not have divulged why he needed the money, but he insisted that was his price to part with it. I don't think he needed a reason.
I think it is incredibly subjective what a collector is willing to pay for something he wants. While we both have the means to purchase items of high value, I'm not so critical paying more for a particular collectible if it means I will attain it with no hassle. Certainly don't think that makes me a moron, simply saves me time hunting down a copy or negotiating an unreasonable trade. I know it irks some, but to each his own.
Some games are priced too ludicrously though. Magical Chase complete most certainly IS NOT worth $1500.00. What I'm trying to say, I wouldn't insult someone if they offered to sell me one for that price, I would simply decline.
Perhaps I used "Elitist" poorly. I have been on this site for less than a year and have seen numerous debates on how much should a game be sold or some angered because a price was too high. Why comment? if the seller gets no replies, doesn't that send the perfect message?
I agree that he should sell on Ebay to get the most for his investment. I just hate reading posts that have a condescending attitude. Give people a chance to show their true colors that's all.
Hey thanks for backing me up exile, and anyone else who did also.
Listen, I don't want to cause anymore fuss. Zeta, you've obviously got it out for me, but I'll stick around. I'd like to be apart of some Turbo Grafx discussion (hence my Tricky Kick post in the other forum).
FYI, a prominent member of these boards private messaged me and basically told me not to bother with the negative vibes, that my Dynastic Hero will easily sell for $400 or $450 on ebay. He wished me luck too. Thanks for that.
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Yet $400-450 (with fees deducted, etc). is also a far cry from $500 free and clear ;)
P.S> The whole "prominent" member (and other) PM's are kinda weak IMO. If people can't put their opinion out there, and just whisper in the shadows is just weaksauce. :lol:
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This is true :cry: I suppose I would be pushing my luck with $500. Oh well.
You got to understand, I'm trying not to get ripped off either... and I'm slowly getting educated about this games worth. And when I get conflicting reports, some saying $500 is price gouging, some saying it's a fair price, I have a hard time deciding what I should sell it for.
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A lot of people selling expensive goods on here have been subjected to criticism, right or wrong... myself included. I still enjoy this site nevertheless.
I bought my Dynastic Hero for $350 about 7 years ago now. At that time, that was a *crazy* price. I guess some people might want to call me an idiot or a moron, but I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of it (I played through it the week I bought it and have popped it in many times since) and I could probably sell it and make some money if I really had to. Does that make me stupid?
Anyway, good luck with the sale. The moral of the story is nobody should get too worked up over this (even though $500 may have been a bit on the high side :) ).
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thanks gunner I'll retract the comment about his minimal posting. but stand by the rest. He still seemed like a good dude despite his lack of business savvy #-o
Agreed! That's why I personally have not said anything disrespectful to him although I am just as frustrated as some of the others and agree that there should be a minimal post count to sell. I am researching how and will make a formal pitch to Aaron when I gather my facts. Part of me having a gripe is also backing it up with a possible solution.
SM, glad to hear you are sticking around. Sorry you had to get the bad brunt but you have to understand the frustration others here have. These guys are good peoples, they are just tired and I don't blame them. I do see you are taking it like a man and that is refreshing. Unlike the last guy who lashed out and never came back. (validating our frustration) Keep participating in the forums and you'll see that most people will come around. And for heaven's sake take your sale to Ebay! =)
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FYI, a prominent member of these boards private messaged me and basically told me not to bother with the negative vibes, that my Dynastic Hero will easily sell for $400 or $450 on ebay. He wished me luck too. Thanks for that.
I have an idea who this was, one of maybe two or three people here who are turned on by the whole notion of being involved in a high dollar scene more than by the games themselves, and chances are he's probably someone who has made money from helping the prices skyrocket, or some day plans. too. In other words, it is not the voice of the sane or the reputable, its the voice of someone much more sleazy than you. Its one thing to try and cash in on some craziness, but its another to have cultivated the craziness to begin with.
And obviously he's a pussy.
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FYI, a prominent member of these boards private messaged me and basically told me not to bother with the negative vibes, that my Dynastic Hero will easily sell for $400 or $450 on ebay. He wished me luck too. Thanks for that.
How do you know hes a prominent member if you've barely been here?
also, if he was a prominent member, he'd have just spoken his mind right here. I have my ideas of who it is, but unless you want to spill the beans, lets just leave it at that.
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I like this forum because it has more freedom than most any other I have ever posted on, and censorship is at a minimum...
I like to think of Zeta as a Qur'an burner. I do not agree with his actions, but I agree that he has a right to do what he wants. Furthermore, although I disagree with a burnt Qur'an, it sure does give something exciting to talk about!
With that said, this game will get $400+ on ebay. $500 may be a reach, but it isn't out of the question.
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Wow....i sure missed alot here! I'm relatively new here still so i might not understand the situation enough to really comment. I'm usually the mediator type, so all i can say is i can see where both sides are coming from.
BUT if it was myself and was trying to contribute to the community, I probably would sell it here quite a bit cheaper to really "earn some luv" in the community (say $200-$300). I'll be honest, i also have a wickedly nice copy of DH and a bunch of other late release DUO games as well, but I know it'll fetch better on Ebay because that's the market that Ebay is. It's for auctioning and selling it to highest bidder. So what most of the gang here is saying, is for your bang for the buck, throw it up on Ebay and you'll probably do better then selling it here :dance:
BUT also, speaking as a bigtime comic book collector, I also would like to see my rare issues being labelled with some nice valuable prices as well! I mean, when WitchBlade #1 was selling at $45 bucks, i was frigging happy cause i snatched that baby up when it was cover price brand new! So it's really hard to say what's outright wrong and outright correct here in the world of collectibles. Just my opinion. :-k
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I like to think of Zeta as a Qur'an burner.
Gee. That's...awesome. Thanks. Thanks for lumping me in with the most antagonistic fundamentalist willfully ignorant and lethal filth in America. Do you have any other completely unmerited insult you want to lay on me? How about saying I'm basically a child rapist, but you defend my right to rape children because, you know, its a free country.
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The bottom line here is there is the eBay market (Overpriced, messed up by gougers and big spending dipshits).......
and then theres the real PCE market (us)
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I'm not sure if its that clear. I buy games on eBay all the time for great prices. Granted, I never buy US games, only PC Engine...
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If one is patient, good deals can be had for both TG-16 and PCE on eBay.
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I concur Ebay is very good to find what your looking for. Unfortunately, its also a place to gouge and sell dirty and dusty things. At the end of the day every thing has a price. Some willing to pay more than what something is worth just to finally add it to their collection.
Changing the subject Does anyone here got a cheap Dynastic hero for sale? lol Kidding I'm not trying to start no shit!
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I concur Ebay is very good to find what your looking for. Unfortunately, its also a place to gouge and sell dirty and dusty things. At the end of the day every thing has a price. Some willing to pay more than what something is worth just to finally add it to their collection.
Changing the subject Does anyone here got a cheap Dynastic hero for sale? lol Kidding I'm not trying to start no shit!
I've used ebay a few times over the years and bought and sold a few things. On other retro sites I hear the same things as I do here about how people kinda hate ebay and that there is price gouging going on. I guess I don't really understand how people can price gouge on eBay though. I mean if there is something on eBay that I want and I bid $500 on it, how did the seller gouge me? I'm the one that offered $500.
At the same time I understand the difference of putting something on eBay for the world to make offers on as opposed to coming here and just letting somebody here have a game for just shipping because we are friends and a community of hobbyists.
Seems like if someone posts here asking $500 for a game though it's not big deal. If you think it is $400 over priced, either ignore the post, offer some friendly advice saying something like "I'm not interested in this game, but just thought I'd let you know a more realistic price is closer to $100", or give them a serious offer "I know you asking $500 and I don't want to offend you buy I think the actual price is closer to $100 which I would be willing to offer."
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Please understand before you start flaming me. I do not Buy from EBay; I'm neither for it nor against it. With that said....
You gouge on EBay by putting an item up for an extravagant price. If it doesn't sell, you re-list it for an even higher price. Pretty soon, all of your re-lists (that still haven't sold) become the 'normal' price for an item. So then, you can sell it for more than the original listing, but less than the current one and people think it's a good deal....After all, there was one listed for more than what you asked for, right?
You can also have fun by getting a buddy to bid for you. He offers just a bit more than any sane person would, so people will think it's a good price - And he buys it from you (with great feedback) with your own money. (Hey, you gotta pay the fees anyway). Now you can list it again, and when people ask for a reasonable price, you can point out that it sold for about what you want not that long ago, so if they really want it....
There are always going to be people who get caught up in the auction part of it, too. People who know better, but can't stand to be outbid. Even if it's by your friends, trying to get more than an item is worth.
Mind you, E-Bay has a place. It's just not where I would actually buy anything.
And, btw, e-bay prices are *not* normal prices for things. Auction means 'get the most you can', so anyone saying that's what it sold for should think about it. Just because someone pays $1 Billion for a painting at auction doesn't mean it's worth it to everyone. And paintings are unique, one of a kind objects, not 1 of 100,000 released video games.
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I've used ebay a few times over the years and bought and sold a few things. On other retro sites I hear the same things as I do here about how people kinda hate ebay and that there is price gouging going on. I guess I don't really understand how people can price gouge on eBay though. I mean if there is something on eBay that I want and I bid $500 on it, how did the seller gouge me? I'm the one that offered $500.
The thing is-- [most] of the people that pay the ridiculous prices on eBay are strictly collectors. Money is no object for them, their only goal is to complete their collection, at whatever the cost. What we have here (and other console-specific forums) are actual gamers. People who, you know, actually play the games. It's an entirely different market. Games are bought and sold in the "gamer market" often times at hundreds of dollars less than what is being tossed around on eBay.
So when these people show up out of the blue trying to peddle their wares in the "gamer market" at "eBay market" prices, everyone gets upset. It really is not all that complicated.
You might be wondering how there came to be such a huge divergence between the "gamer market" and "eBay market" for US Turbo stuff. It can almost all be attributed to a select group of individuals over the past two years, some of whom are members on this forum, who decided after TZD went under that US Turbo stuff was somehow "rare" (probably due, at least in part, to the fact that the 15-year-old official outlet for new, sealed Turbo gear closed its doors). Aided by eBay sellers who helped artificially inflate the market by leaving ridiculously priced Turbo goods up for sale sometimes for YEARS on end (remember the $100 loose Air Zonk and Samurai Ghost carts?), these people, to the horror of the Turbo gaming community, successfully made the eBay Turbo market all but useless to the gamer.
So when it looks like people here are just "dumping on the new guy," you have to understand, there is a reason. I don't think anyone here on these forums, aforementioned individuals aside, is willing to pay "eBay market" prices for US Turbo stuff. If, as a seller, all you're interested is top dollar then take your stuff straight to eBay and don't even bother with us. We'll continue just fine without you, and continue to buy, sell and trade amongst ourselves at far more reasonable rates.
Those of us who do still use eBay occasionally wait for the SimpleSimon's who come along every year or so and dump lots of sealed Turbo goods into the market at extremely reasonable prices (read: nothing over $20).
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Sadly Nat that sentiment holds true. The problem is how collectors treat each other. Some guys have given me amazing deals on games, while others, (who I know paid the original sticker price) want to beat me upside the head with a mark up. There were times I had to back out of a deal because I thought the seller wanted too much money or they wanted me to cough up several other games for one title. Everyone wants compensation, but some want to maximize their profits. I don't like it when they do it, but that doesn't make me want to cuss they @$$ out either. Its not exactly inviting to "casual readers" passing through and reading posts saying: "go f themselves among other expletives. I know most of us are old dogs on these forums, but what if there are kids reading this stuff? It would make us look bad.
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I know most of us are old dogs on these forums, but what if there are kids reading this stuff? It would make us look bad.
Are you f*cking kidding me?!? This ain't a Hannah Montana forum or Pokémon World, so nobody should have an expectation of this being a G rated site.
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Here we go again..........
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Here we go again..........
Where we goin'?
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I know people give zeta shit all the time, but I have to agree 100% with him. No offense to Shinobiman, because I saw his thread over on DigitPress a while ago and they were encouraging him that he will get the $500 for the game.
But... If there were not 'angry, on their high horses, holy than thou' attitude, the market might be just as horrible as it is on ebay on these and other forums. People like zeta have the balls to say 'f*ck you and your rediculous prices and take them to ebay or shove em up your ass'. Again, no offense Shinobiman, as you were told to come over here and try to sell it.
I know exile is sticking up for him and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but there have been a ton of people that come to these forums because they think they can sell their OMG uber rare copy of Keith Courage for $20. It is kind of insulting. I may not have been around since the beginning of time like some of you have, but that does not make me any less of a TG fan.
/rant
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Sadly Nat that sentiment holds true. The problem is how collectors treat each other. Some guys have given me amazing deals on games, while others, (who I know paid the original sticker price) want to beat me upside the head with a mark up. There were times I had to back out of a deal because I thought the seller wanted too much money or they wanted me to cough up several other games for one title. Everyone wants compensation, but some want to maximize their profits. I don't like it when they do it, but that doesn't make me want to cuss they @$$ out either. Its not exactly inviting to "casual readers" passing through and reading posts saying: "go f themselves among other expletives. I know most of us are old dogs on these forums, but what if there are kids reading this stuff? It would make us look bad.
Collectors sometimes act pretty elitist, like this is some kinda country club. It's retarded. In all honesty, the collectors that don't play stuff are pretty useless as a whole. They're not actively keeping the system alive or making forums an interesting place. They're just dickin' off and ruining it for the people that still want to turn the system on and play it.
if you took those people away, it would improve things. ;)
and if you're 13+ (age for the forum, right?) and haven't heard "go f*ck yourself", you need to crawl out from under your sheltered rock and introduce yourself to life.
also we're not babysitters. If a kid is on here reading OMGDIRTYWORDS, thats his problem, and more importantly, his parents problem. Watch what little timmy is doing on the internets or something.
I know people give zeta shit all the time, but I have to agree 100% with him. No offense to Shinobiman, because I saw his thread over on DigitPress a while ago and they were encouraging him that he will get the $500 for the game.
there it is, full reasons why I said what I said about digitpress. If the people at digitpiss knew anything about the turbob, they'd be posting here instead.
theres always going to be those people who think just because its "retro", they're automagically informed, and chock full o' made up bullshit that they've convinced themselves is legit.
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oops, I was thinking of a different thread. I just checked it and no one really said to come here, but they did tell him it was a 'fair price'.
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I think there are a lot of good responses and interesting thoughts.
I guess where I come from there are 2 ways we buy stuff and 2 ways we sell stuff.
If I'm buying something, I pay what it is worth to me. Simple. There is the 2nd case where maybe I want to help out a neighbor and or charity and I would pay over the price, but that is more like a donation.
If I sell something I want to get the most money out of it I can. If two strangers are standing there and one offers me $500 for my TV and the other offers $200. Guess who's getting it? :) There is the 2nd case where I sell something super cheap to a friend or in this case a community member or somebody down on their luck because it's the right thing to do to help another person out. But this is a video game we are talking about. Not something one needs to survive and live or to help their family survive.
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Like many here I had to settle for the japaniese version since I happen to really like Wonderboy titles.
I really want the american version because I like many here, actually PLAY the games. It just sucks how these prices have gotten how they have gotten and the posts above from guys like Nat and Zeta paint the exact picture of how it happened. The truth is DH is NOT worth $500 and it's unfortunate that I may never be able to play it in English and enjoy it.
At the same time, that's capitalism for you. =/
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It just occurred to me that this thread has been going on for so long that we are nearly due for another gouger to join the forum and try to dump a $400 Dungeon Explorer II on us.
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It just occurred to me that this thread has been going on for so long that we are nearly due for another gouger to join the forum and try to dump a $400 Dungeon Explorer II on us.
I have that game too. :-)
How much is it worth? I wasn't planning on selling it.
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It just occurred to me that this thread has been going on for so long that we are nearly due for another gouger to join the forum and try to dump a $400 Dungeon Explorer II on us.
I have that game too. :-)
How much is it worth? I wasn't planning on selling it.
Yes, it's worth keeping. :wink:
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DE2 is $100.
...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.
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3 years ago I paid $65 for DEII and I thought it was quite the ripoff then. Love it btw.
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De2 should be a topic by itself. I still think the first game is superior to the second. Even thought DE2 had Cd tracks and anime scenes, the first felt like a better experience
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...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.
Bull. Shit.
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...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.
Bull. Shit.
seconded. DEII is a top five must have game for the system, US or import. Dynastic Hero, is a fun little romp, but aint in the same league as DEII.
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...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.
Bull. Shit.
Didn't you hear? Its worth a third as much, if that. Its obviously not as good.
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...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.
Bull. Shit.
Even Dragon's Curse easily beats Dynastic fun factor wise IMO.
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Whats the difference between D.H. and any other wonderboy title? I never played it
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It's a port of the Genesis's Wonderboy V. It got the "different boss character" treatment that Wonderboy in Monsterland got.
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...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.
Bull. Shit.
Didn't you hear? Its worth a third as much, if that. Its obviously not as good.
Air Zonk, Splash Lake, Gate of Thunder, Parasol Stars, and Cadash could be purchased combined for less than DE2, and each is much better than DE2 as well. Each is better than Dynastic Hero too.
Just because a game is expensive, it doesn't mean it can't be better than a cheaper game; and vice versa.
I just don't understand why the DE games are so popular. They are Gauntlet, but worse.
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They are Gauntlet, but worse.
NOT EVEN CLOSE. I can't think of any way (besides nostalgia) that Gauntlet trumps the DE games.
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Oh man, this guy's a lost cause.
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They are Gauntlet, but worse.
NOT EVEN CLOSE. I can't think of any way (besides nostalgia) that Gauntlet trumps the DE games.
Yah...if we're comparing the original Gauntlets 1 or 2 vs. DE 1 or 2, then i'm for DE. It wouldn't be fair to compare with the new Gauntlets for say the Ps2. Those ones have evolved more into rpg/action quite nicely IMO.
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They are Gauntlet, but worse.
Bull. Shit.
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They are Gauntlet, but worse.
Bull. Shit.
Am I honestly the only one that thinks the DE games are pretty average? Especially DE1?
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Am I honestly the only one that thinks the DE games are pretty average? Especially DE1?
I'm sure you're not alone, but you're certainly in the minority. Different strokes for different folks, eh?
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I guess for me it was the overall presentation of DEII that floored me back in1993. I mean 5 player simultaneous role playing game play?!?! C'mon!!
I remember playing the game single player mode, and then a friend playing single player mode and getting really far. We started a new party using both of our characters and were able to continue playing through the game together. This can be done x5! Wouldn't that be an experience?
We should start a thread posting our passwords of our farthest characters and meet up sometime and go through the game!!
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Not to encourage further thread derailment, but here's my take on Dungeon Explorer (http://www.thebrothersduomazov.com/search/label/Dungeon Explorer).
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Dungeon Explorer, Ys, Blazing Lazers and Parasol Stars were the games I owned that made my Genesis friends feel uncertain back in the day- there was just no disputing the quality of games like that. I honestly don't see how anyone in their right frame of mind can call Dungeon Explorer average. It just had that magic feel- incredibly transporting for an early release 3 meg hu. And the bang for your buck- so many sweet ass bosses and levels, unlockable characters, 5-player action, lovely chip tunes- and it just had more gravity than Gauntlet- which felt like an endless slog n' slash quarter munching 100-enemies-surrounding-you run. Dungeon Explorer will always be a heartfelt memory of mine. One of the best times I've had playing a videogame.
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DE has my favorite chiptunes out of the entire US Turbo library. :) Followed closely by Legendary Axe.
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I always refer to DE as "Gauntlet, but with a point"
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They are Gauntlet, but worse.
I always refer to DE as "Gauntlet, but with a point"
I've always referred to Gauntlet IV as a Dungeon Explorer rip off.
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They are Gauntlet, but worse.
I always refer to DE as "Gauntlet, but with a point"
I've always referred to Gauntlet IV as a Dungeon Explorer rip off.
nice.