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Title: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: GameFreak on November 27, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
What kinda TV do you play TG16 on? What year was it made?
I heard that the LCD tv's lag in showing you actual gameplay. Is that true? I play on a LCD that's about 26inches and I change the screen to 4:3. I have a sony 19inch tube tv that has the flat screen but no matter how much I change the contrast and brightness it looks like krap compared to the LCD. I don't have a plasma but do plasma tv lag like an LCD. I'm curious what you guys use?? What is the best kind of tv to use? The lag isn't really an issue playing a RPG but maybe in a shooter it can be frustrating. Let me know.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: BlueBMW on November 27, 2010, 02:15:50 PM
I use a 56" Samsung dlp hdtv. Works great in 4:3 mode.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Sparky on November 27, 2010, 03:16:29 PM
Only a 21" Panisonic in a mother f@cking kiosk yo!!! :P Also i have my duo hooked up to my 27 " JVC D-series.. really nice tv, nice deep blacks
JVC made a killer CRT in the early 2000's. The "flat" ones like the one you have pictured, and the one that I use which is a little newer are fan-f*ckin'-tastic for vintage video games.
I haven't noticed any lag on my LCD playing games, but the lack of scanlines on LCDs/plasmas makes these old games look all blocky and just like shit in general. The LCD is great for newer consoles like the Dreamcast and Wii, but anything pre-Dreamcast I play on the JVC CRT.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Frank_fjs on November 27, 2010, 05:28:19 PM
Old 51cm flat screen JVC CRT TV - as mentioned above these things are the best for retro gaming. They have an excellent noise filter too, makes a composite signal look like a component signal.
I also use an 82cm Grundig CRT with RGB scart input for my RGB consoles.
My main TV is a 50" Panasonic Plasma but retro consoles look like arse on newer TV's - unless you spend $500 on an encoder which I would never do.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: ceti alpha on November 27, 2010, 05:41:35 PM
When I first got my Duo back I had just bought a Sony LCD TV, so I was anxious to use it. But I agree with nat; for the most part it makes all the sprites look blocky and just plain ugly (don't even get into stretching the image). This is exactly why I had such a horrible first reaction to the PCE Image Fight. The LCD just made it look awful. After that brief affair I went right back to the TV I used to play my TG on bitd: Sears 14" CRT. Good as gold. There's just no beating a CRT for the oldies.
Last year my brother gave me his old an gigantic CRT flat screen. I'd say it's a 24" TV and I think it's an RCA or JVC. Not a massive screen, but the TV itself is a beast. I just haven't set it up yet. I honestly prefer the smaller TV right now. Not as intrusive on space and I'm more prone to throw on a quick game here and there, or even a 3-4 saga from time to time. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 27, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: nat
anything pre-Dreamcast I play on the JVC CRT.
Good call. I'm the same way. Anything pre-Dreamcast I play on a 20" CRT made by Toshiba. Actually, the guts were made by someone else, but it is sold by Toshiba. It has an excellent picture and features s-video and component inputs. I lugged my Genesis with the RGB/component transcoder around with me store to store to test TVs. I looked at certain things, especially dithering in Master System games and whatnot. The reason was because many TVs would create weird lines in the dithering even via the component input. I simply would not tolerate this. Only one TV fit the bill and that was the Toshiba. The others I tried from Sony and Samsung sucked. The Samsung didn't even have s-video. Pissed me right off... gotta have everything.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: BlueBMW on November 27, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
I do keep a 20" toshiba crt that I bought new in 2006 just for the stuff that doesn't look right on the modern tv. I had a 35" sony crt that died on me... that was the best tv for games. I wonder if they could make a "retro mode" on some of these new tvs to simulate the look of old crts... maybe even allow things like the sms phased or the super scope or guncon to work again..
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on November 27, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
Sony Trinitron 29''. Such a beautiful picture. Equipped with 1x RGB, 2x Component, 3x S-Video, 4x Composite.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: blueraven on November 27, 2010, 08:49:25 PM
29" Phillips Magnavox CRT dumpster-dived from the local campus move-out day. It has fade but it works.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 27, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
Many LCDs did have lag when viewing low level analog inputs. I'm not sure how common this is anymore though.
I use a 27" JVC. There is some noise in the signal, but you just look through it after a while. Everything from my HandiFamiEight to my MVS (JROK s-video) to my Wii look pretty damn great on it.
After XMas I'll be getting some monstrous LCD for BluRays and Netflix and stuff. All the OG consoles will stay in the game room with the real TV though.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: GameFreak on November 27, 2010, 09:12:00 PM
So the main problem with lcd's is the sprites? I've heard the older tv's are better to use for old game systems but I'm thinking my old tv is just in bad condition. I might be lookin into local craigslist or maybe a pawn shop to grab an old TV.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 27, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Sprites have nothing to do with it. The same thing would happen with Final Fantasy VII or VHS.
The problem with LCDs (old crap ones anyway) is that the low spec analog signals like composite, s-video, etc have to be digitized and de-interaced and scaled to be usable to the digital portion of the set. This takes a fraction of a second. With a movie you don't notice it since they compensate for the lag by delaying the audio as well. With a game though, its pretty bad. As you said, not a big deal with an RPG, but with a fighting game or something...forget about it.
I'm actually not much of an expert on this since I only have old shit. I'm taking my MVS home for Xmas though, just so I can test it on my friends big new-ish Samsung. I want to see how things have progressed.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 28, 2010, 02:47:51 AM
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I play Dreamcast and later systems on a Sony 34XBR960 HDTV, the Dreamcast plays in 480p. I do NOT stretch any game to 16:9 unless the game itself supports it. I don't mind playing 4:3 games with black bars on the sides of the image. At least round things will be round, etc. I cannot stand aspect ratio distortion.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 28, 2010, 06:48:03 AM
30 inch Toshiba, CRT 1080i HDTV. It's an HDTV and it's a CRT. The only issue with it is it has "seizure protection" which causes it to blink out in heavy flashing (charge attack in Aero Blasters, various light gun game flashes, Samurai Showdown all over).
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: turbogrfxfan on November 28, 2010, 07:28:43 AM
i use my tg16,duo r, and d cast on my Toshiba 50" hd rear projection cimema series tv. and for audio Im running into my Lexicon mc1 digital processor wich pushes thrue my Mcintosh surround amplifier.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: BlueBMW on November 28, 2010, 09:32:41 AM
30 inch Toshiba, CRT 1080i HDTV. It's an HDTV and it's a CRT. The only issue with it is it has "seizure protection" which causes it to blink out in heavy flashing (charge attack in Aero Blasters, various light gun game flashes, Samurai Showdown all over).
Can it be turned off? My tv has some strange stuff like that. The only one that seemed to be good was something called "game mode" which helped the refresh rates or something for better video game use.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: MotherGunner on November 28, 2010, 12:27:19 PM
I run S-Video into my 42 inch Samsung HDTV and have zero issues. Looks beautiful.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 28, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Can it be turned off? My tv has some strange stuff like that. The only one that seemed to be good was something called "game mode" which helped the refresh rates or something for better video game use.
This isn't a game mode issue. It's intentionally designed seizure protection that goes off when something flashes beyond a certain level. The TV just will blink out for a moment rather than display the flash. It can't be turned off, it's in place to prevent Pokemon Seizure like incidents from occurring.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: TheClash603 on November 28, 2010, 01:57:28 PM
27" Sony Trinitron, SDTV is the way to go with all older consoles, as others have already said.
52" Samsung LCD for my Xbox 360 and PS3 only.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: BlueBMW on November 28, 2010, 03:02:34 PM
This isn't a game mode issue. It's intentionally designed seizure protection that goes off when something flashes beyond a certain level. The TV just will blink out for a moment rather than display the flash. It can't be turned off, it's in place to prevent Pokemon Seizure like incidents from occurring.
That's too bad it cant be turned off. I could see that being a bit annoying at times.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: nodtveidt on November 28, 2010, 04:38:24 PM
I have two TVs that I can use my now-mangled TG16 with, namely my 29" Sanyo or the old 13" who-knows-what-this-is-anymore thing. Both are CRTs, and neither are going to be replaced anytime soon. My wife's mother won a brand new flatscreen HDTV the other day at the casino but we haven't put it up yet... I wonder how well that will work?
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Tatsujin on November 28, 2010, 05:08:35 PM
good old CRT. there won't be anything other than that as long they are available and working.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Official Ninja on November 29, 2010, 01:42:52 AM
I play on a 37" LG LCD. When I purchased it the low res inputs looked like crap, so I used to do the retro gaming on a smaller 19" CRT. Big surprise though, I found a firmware update to my LCD on the web. I plugged the USB stick with the update in the back of the TV and 10 minutes later it was done. Now all the low res inputs look fantastic. Really happy with it. I also do some gaming on a couple larger Sony LCD screens, a 52" W series and a 55" 3D HX series. When I can get at them anyway.... my son and his friends usually monopolize them playing 360 or PS3.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: ceti alpha on November 29, 2010, 02:11:46 AM
I play on a 37" LG LCD. When I purchased it the low res inputs looked like crap, so I used to do the retro gaming on a smaller 19" CRT. Big surprise though, I found a firmware update to my LCD on the web. I plugged the USB stick with the update in the back of the TV and 10 minutes later it was done. Now all the low res inputs look fantastic. Really happy with it. I also do some gaming on a couple larger Sony LCD screens, a 52" W series and a 55" 3D HX series. When I can get at them anyway.... my son and his friends usually monopolize them playing 360 or PS3.
Hmmmm...I'm going to try to do a firmware update on my TV. I never thought about that. :)
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Necromancer on November 29, 2010, 03:39:02 AM
My TurboDuo is hooked up to a mid-90s 32" Sony CRT. It ain't perfect but it's good enough for me, and it's certainly much better than when I test drove it on the LCD (no scanlines = teh suck).
Alternatively, I can again Turbob on a 2.6 inch LCD thanks to the chopspital. Advanced technology - f*ck yeah!
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 29, 2010, 05:36:42 AM
That's too bad it cant be turned off. I could see that being a bit annoying at times.
Yep, I have a second TV a 25 inch CRT, Sharp that I use for other systems. It does not have the seizure protection.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: chany60126 on November 29, 2010, 05:58:33 AM
I have a 32 inch Phillips/Magnavox CRT downstairs in my den that I use for the Turbo Duo. It is perfect for me, especially for the shooters. I also have a 20 inch Phillips/Magnavox CRT in my room that I use for my Turbografx+SCD whenever I feel too lazy to go downstairs.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 29, 2010, 06:03:59 AM
With all due respect to other humans, my personal opinion is that anyone who thinks an SD game console looks good on an LCD probably has a different definition of "good" than I do. A lot of people who watch SD TV stretched to 16:9, or listen to music with pack-in Apple headphones, or drive a Dodge Caliber, or eat White Castle, or wear dollar store sweat pants...they'll say these things are "fine" or "good enough", but I think its really the inability to tell the difference that helps them stick up for this junk.
What sucks about the LCD thing is that I can't think of any marketing incentive that would ever drive the OEMs to fix this problem. With all movie content coming from set-top internet devices and all game consoles going HD (when the Wii dies, that'll be it) they start removing composite/s-video/component from all new TVs period. Then what we will play TG-16 on? Maybe the same TVs we are now since new electronics are unreliable junk...but some day all the 90s CRTs will be dead, and we'll have to be modding our Duo Rs for HDMI.
I guess, realistically, we only have to bother with keeping this stuff going in our lifetimes. When we're gone in 60 years nobody will give a shit about 16-bit gaming. In the meanwhile we need to learn how to fix old TVs as well as the systems that we run on them.
The alternative of course would be super high performance upscan converters built (competently) with gaming in mind. Something like the X-RGB series, only better.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Obfuscate on November 29, 2010, 07:19:11 AM
Dude, White Castle is f*ckin good.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: TurbografxKid on November 29, 2010, 10:32:27 AM
I play mine on either a 19" Sanyo, which does not have any RCA plugs, or my 27" flat screen Panny. Both are CRT. And I use my Duo on either one But I perfer the Panny. It will be a sad day here if and when I have to move to an LCD screen. :(
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Lilgrafx on November 29, 2010, 10:45:44 AM
I play mine on a little magnavox it works perfectly and holy shiit sparky that TG-16 kiosk is awesome
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Post by: turbogrfxfan on November 29, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: TGX16 on December 03, 2010, 07:14:27 AM
I've got a 19" DELL Trinitron flat screen CRT (with a Video to VGA Monitor adapter) and one extra out in the garage as a spare. Works perfectly!
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Mathius on December 03, 2010, 04:49:07 PM
A 27" Sansui flat screen CRT. It has a great picture, and with component input RGB could be in my future. :wink:
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: geise on December 06, 2010, 11:57:32 AM
A 27" sharp SDTV.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Bobdolewashere on January 02, 2011, 02:34:05 PM
an older 19 inch tv (not a flat screen) for all my older video games (nes, snes, N64, turbografx w/ cd attachment, sega w/ cd & 32x attachment, atari, cd-i) they look much better on that but I do have a generation nex on my 40inch hdtv
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Post by: nikdog on January 02, 2011, 04:15:19 PM
21" ViewSonic 1080P LCD
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Mathius on January 02, 2011, 06:03:53 PM
Do you not care for CRTs? You'll get a better picture playing Turbo on one. :wink:
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Post by: Duo_R on January 02, 2011, 07:07:01 PM
I am in search of a HDTV that does a decent job for retro gaming. I have a giant 32" CRT EDT in the garage, but I want something for indoors (so yeah I already have a CRT). Any suggestions on something that someone has tried and works well here (no lag, blurring issues, etc).
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: nikdog on January 02, 2011, 11:55:36 PM
Do you not care for CRTs? You'll get a better picture playing Turbo on one. :wink:
What's a CRT? :P
To be honest, I prefer my monitor over any CRT TV. Sharper picture and it doesn't overscan.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: MottZilla on January 03, 2011, 07:03:38 AM
I play my DUO-R on a Sony PVM1910, http://www.docs.sony.com/release/PVM1910.PDF
I also play my NES, SNES, Genesis, Saturn, and PS1 on it, all except the NES via RGB. I made an adapter to use Euro RGB SCART cables with the monitor and just bought the appropriate cables for all except the DUO-R which came with the RGB cable since it had to be RGB modded. Looks fantastic. However if I had more room I wish I could get a larger Sony PVM, either 27" or 32". Maybe someday. Also makes me want to learn about CRT repair and maintaining as it's been established that low resolution systems looks like shit on modern digital TVs. Not to mention potential lag issues.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: termis on January 03, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
A 21" LG CRT TV. It's on the crappy side for CRT TVs, but it gets the job done. I once put my Duo on my in-laws big screen LCD (can't even recall the brand, but one of the big makers), and I nearly stabbed my eyes out. I won't be doing that again.
With all due respect to other humans, my personal opinion is that anyone who thinks an SD game console looks good on an LCD probably has a different definition of "good" than I do. A lot of people who watch SD TV stretched to 16:9, or listen to music with pack-in Apple headphones, or drive a Dodge Caliber, or eat White Castle, or wear dollar store sweat pants...they'll say these things are "fine" or "good enough", but I think its really the inability to tell the difference that helps them stick up for this junk.
What sucks about the LCD thing is that I can't think of any marketing incentive that would ever drive the OEMs to fix this problem. With all movie content coming from set-top internet devices and all game consoles going HD (when the Wii dies, that'll be it) they start removing composite/s-video/component from all new TVs period. Then what we will play TG-16 on? Maybe the same TVs we are now since new electronics are unreliable junk...but some day all the 90s CRTs will be dead, and we'll have to be modding our Duo Rs for HDMI.
I guess, realistically, we only have to bother with keeping this stuff going in our lifetimes. When we're gone in 60 years nobody will give a shit about 16-bit gaming. In the meanwhile we need to learn how to fix old TVs as well as the systems that we run on them.
The alternative of course would be super high performance upscan converters built (competently) with gaming in mind. Something like the X-RGB series, only better.
I've recently to fiddle around with Ootake, and it does a decent job of scanline emulation. I'm thinking that once my Duo goes for good (it's starting to get there now with the dry caps issue), I might just build a cheap HTPC and hook it up to a modern TV via HDMI and have do my retro gaming that way in the near future.
And yeah, White Castle is absolutely disgusting. On a random note, I'm missing the burger joints in Cali -- Islands, Tommy's, In 'n Out... Hell, even the mid-tier stuff like Carl's Jr & Wendy's is helluva lot better than vast majority of the stuff they have down here...
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: MottZilla on January 04, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
Emulation can't compare to the real thing. Either accuracy issues, not using the real controller, or picture and sound differences tend to bother me with emulation. Though it's better than going without playing great classic games at all.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: nat on January 04, 2011, 01:57:03 PM
My biggest issue with [Turbo] emulation is the sound inaccuracy. Graphically most things seem to be 1:1 these days, but emulator authors have a long way to go to properly emulate the Turbo's sound chip. Even with the closest emulation, PSG music comes across as tinny, scratchy, and lacking bottom end. And the Turbo's PSG needs all the help it can get in the bottom end department.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: blueraven on January 04, 2011, 04:00:21 PM
Every time I want to throw away my CRT, it just... shows the games better.
I can't.
The Phillips Magnavox is still a badass.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: chany60126 on January 04, 2011, 04:25:59 PM
Every time I want to throw away my CRT, it just... shows the games better.
I can't.
The Phillips Magnavox is still a badass.
:clap:
That's exactly what I use. My 32in crt that I got in 1998 only supports composite and s-video, but it's still as good as ever.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Duo_R on January 04, 2011, 04:34:59 PM
My set needs to warmup sometimes, it starts out a little blurry. I am afraid a repair would be insane though who repairs CRT's anymore? Lol the TV is badass so it kinda sucks.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: termis on January 04, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Emulation can't compare to the real thing. Either accuracy issues, not using the real controller, or picture and sound differences tend to bother me with emulation. Though it's better than going without playing great classic games at all.
No doubt. I hear you, though after getting a USB saturn pad, the controller issue is a lot less of an issue for me now.
The emulation inaccuracies are still there, and for some systems, I couldn't think of replacing the real hardware due to these inaccuracies (Sega Saturn for one), but for most 8 & 16 bit systems, it's getting to the point where it's starting to become a viable alternative to real hardware for me. Especially when I have too many systems taking up shelf space with 50,000 different wires running behind the TV.
Software, on the other hand, I'll still purchase the ones I like as long as it's practical (that is, it doesn't go for crazy sums), as I like having a physical copy with manual, maps, and all that (That's even for cartridge/card software).
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Official Ninja on January 05, 2011, 02:56:05 AM
Before getting my duo-r I was using magic engine with a tg-16 usb pad. Its really good but I started to notice a very slight lag in the input. I'd play Alien crush and I would seem to be missing the ball all the time. I'm talking very very slight delay, if it wasnt for the pinball game I probably would never have noticed it.
Im not sure if it is the retrozone usb kit, that PC, or magic engine. I'm too lazy to plug the tg16 pad in another pc and look in to it more, because I have my duo-r now :)
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Obfuscate on January 05, 2011, 07:25:46 AM
20" Toshiba CRT. Had a real nice 27" Toshiba CRT that bite the dust last spring and am missing it. Tried for a while on a 37" Toshiba LCD but it just didn't look nice at all. I now have the two TVs side by side so I can have them both hooked up to my surround sound. The 37" LCD for my PS3 and my 20" CRT for my Duo-R.
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Post by: BlueBMW on January 05, 2011, 12:05:50 PM
I just got handed down my folks old 36" CRT TV :P Its big, and rediculously heavy, but it works great for retro gaming!
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: MottZilla on January 05, 2011, 01:13:18 PM
Emulation can't compare to the real thing. Either accuracy issues, not using the real controller, or picture and sound differences tend to bother me with emulation. Though it's better than going without playing great classic games at all.
No doubt. I hear you, though after getting a USB saturn pad, the controller issue is a lot less of an issue for me now.
The emulation inaccuracies are still there, and for some systems, I couldn't think of replacing the real hardware due to these inaccuracies (Sega Saturn for one), but for most 8 & 16 bit systems, it's getting to the point where it's starting to become a viable alternative to real hardware for me. Especially when I have too many systems taking up shelf space with 50,000 different wires running behind the TV.
Well Nestopia and BSNES do excellent jobs for sure. But there are still things that bother me with emulation versus the real thing. It can be a hassle having alot of systems taking up space and having alot of wires I guess. The way I have things set up is I have all my modern consoles (360, PS3, Wii) hooked up to a nice 32" LCD. All my classic stuff (NES, SNES, Genesis, PCE, PS1, Saturn) is hooked up to my RGB monitor. It is kind of a mess with those 6 systems all on this tiny shelf. But I've got it organized enough that it's not a huge deal. I had to reorganize recently when my PCE joined them.
To put it simply, I could have just emulated PCE with my PC on my 32" LCD TV with Mednafen or whatever else. Instead I spent a few hundred bucks buying a PCE DUO-R that was RGB modded along with some games. If emulation got it done for me, I would have spent the money on something else.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: rodek on January 10, 2011, 01:54:25 PM
27" sony Wega Flat CRT. =) (but it makes straight line curved slightly =(
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Official Ninja on January 11, 2011, 01:01:37 AM
27" sony Wega Flat CRT. =) (but it makes straight line curved slightly =(
Yeah... lots of CRTs do that, I have a very nice Sharp 27" X-Flat TV that does it too, but the picture is still beautiful to look at. I've had nice RCA Entertainment Series sets, 32" and 36" that had perfect straight lines. Great TVs. I gave them away, to my regret today.
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Post by: Shadoblaid on January 23, 2011, 12:17:13 PM
Hello everyone
I play my Turbo duo on a Sony NX810 55" LED TV. Passed through my Onkyo 608 Receiver up converted to 1080p. Has the bars on the side but Dracula x and Bonk look pretty sweet :D
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on January 23, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
So far I've only had it running with MVS and Saturn, but the results for those systems were amazing when coupled with a 17" VGA monitor.
I'm waiting for parts for an RGB amp for PCE since the built in signal is too weak and shitty to sync with this thing.
What I wrote about it on neo-geo.com:
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I tried it out on a few things. Everything looked bad on the Viewsonic LCD because I can't figure out how to make it not scale, but when I switched to an old Dell 17" CRT things got really good.
It runs with PS2 and GC through component pretty damn good, aside from all the fake low-res issues 2D games for those systems have.
I tried feeding it unmodified Genesis 1 and PC Engine RGB signals...neither worked very well. The PC Engine synched a lot better than the Genesis, but neither really worked. I've got parts for a PCE RGP amp coming in the mail that I hope will help with this issue. I also found details of how to get a better Genesis RGB signal with resisters and caps. I'll try that too.
I hooked my 2 slot up to it and had no issues. In fact, that flicker in Pulstar when it switches between game play and anything else? Even that's gone. The visual experience isn't much different from Neo Rage X.
So as for quality, I have to say I'm very impressed. After a lot of adjustment the only issue I noticed was that sometimes when backgrounds scroll you get a bit of...I don't know the correct term, shimmer? Even that is pretty minimal. You'll never notice it in KOF, and you certainly won't notice it in Bomberman or Super Baseball 2020, but it will show up in Metal Slug 3 or Pulstar because the BGs are so detailed. Other than that...I literally have no problems with it whatsoever. No delay, no scaling artifacts, nothing. The thing is amazing.
Is it perfect? No, only a large flat CRT is perfect, but for those who don't have an extra $700 and a titanium spine this is a pretty good substitute. It must be an absolute God send for operators. Seriously. You can replace a blown out CRT with this and some random LCD for $300 or less.
Best thing? Its $35. $35! Incredible!
Anyone who's running composite straight to an big LCD and for some reason doesn't realize their image absolutely sucks*, I highly recommend you try one of these out and marvel at the different. They aren't perfect, but XRGB are FIVE f*ckING HUNDRED DOLLARS these days so its a pretty good alternative.
* No, it sucks. No, seriously, its sucky. No, I don't care how much you paid for the damned TV, SD game consoles look like shit on it. Yes, shit.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 25, 2011, 01:15:20 PM
Only the XRGB-3 is really expensive. And there is no point to the 3 if you are using a CRT monitor. For your 17'' VGA monitor, the 2+ would be fine. 2 still has the best compatibility and is my favorite. It can play all the screwy arcade boards (like Xexex) perfectly. Xexex on an XRGB-2+ or 3 gives you a black screen of death.
Still that board is ok, I'd recommend adding one of those new SLG3000 gizmos (new scan line generator), just plug and play with 31khz signals. As that's the one big negative of the cheap jamma vga board, needs scanlines.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 25, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
Yeah, I can't help but wonder if scan lines would reduce the "shimmering" effect as well.
I realize the 3 is expensive, but the 3 is the only one you can buy new now, isn't it? The price of Japanese electronics has really gone up. A Technics 1200 MkII turntable now is very near $1000 now, whereas 10 years ago they were barely half that. Same damn deck!
I think there might be a typo in your post. Are you saying the original 2 is the best and to avoid the 2+?
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: nikdog on January 25, 2011, 08:56:46 PM
The Pyle SCART to HDMI convertor works great for LCDs aswell.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 25, 2011, 11:26:20 PM
No typo. The old gray 2 has the best compatibility of all XRGBs. If you want to play arcade boards, the 2 or even the original XRGB-1 are better choices then the 2+ or 3. The 3, in B1 mode is just a 2+ with more tweaks. And B0 mode gives you 2 frames of lag.
The 2 was the last model to officially support arcade PCBs. Here's my old vid, shows the 2+ fail:
When I get more time, I plan on making a full on comparison vid between the 1,2,2+,3, and even the DISPL TV :)
Oh, now I see what you meant by typo, post fixed.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Jibbajaba on January 30, 2011, 03:18:05 AM
I use a little 15" Sony PVM RGB monitor to play all of my classic systems. Yeah, it's small, but the image quality and color are amazing. I just sit up close to it and have it sitting up at eye level, so it works just fine.
Chris
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 30, 2011, 03:43:55 AM
Yeah, smaller displays make low res consoles look amazing. Also, you can tate them without the warping/exploding/etc.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Jibbajaba on February 01, 2011, 04:49:51 PM
I'm way too protective of my RGB monitor to flip it on its side. I'm sure it would be fine, but I wouldn't want to have to worry about finding another one if something did happen.
Chris
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: GameFreak on February 01, 2011, 05:18:30 PM
I'm glad I started this thread. Half of you confuse the F out of me. But the rest of you are actually informing my dumb azz big time. Keep the info comin! Some of you say LCD looks bad compared to an old tube TV. My LCD looks WAY better than my old tube TV but I think it's because my tube TV has turned into JUNK recently. I'm not sure though... #-o /...
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Duo_R on February 01, 2011, 05:28:35 PM
I am wanting to look into something else besides the Atlona RGB to YUV boards. Any extensive reviews on the other boards eveyrone is mentioning? I am curious about that RGB to HDMI board.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 01, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
I'm way too protective of my RGB monitor to flip it on its side. I'm sure it would be fine, but I wouldn't want to have to worry about finding another one if something did happen.
Chris
If its a pro arcade monitor it will be fine, since they are designed to rotate in the first place. If its small-ish (17" or so) it will also be fine. If its big and has a normal consumer sort of chassis though, yeah, I wouldn't risk it.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 02, 2011, 05:51:24 AM
I just slapped a 19" sanyo LCD tv down on my desk and put the f*cking 1084S in the closet. I sacrifice image quality for reclaiming desk space. It doesn't look bad, but it doesn't look f*ckin good.
I cranked the sharpness to max and un-fullscreened. Its ok.
I also hooked the sound up to a 5 piece logitech speaker setup. Thats pretty funny.
Got a link to that doodad you put the picture of? I might want to try it on this TV with my MSX and PCE. Assuming we can get it to sync? Did you get any luck with syncing it?
This is just my spare/Dev setup next to my PCs. The real setup is on a like 32" sanyo CRT television hooked up to some 1980s HIFI!
f*ckYEAH.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 02, 2011, 06:11:21 AM
Got a link to that doodad you put the picture of? I might want to try it on this TV with my MSX and PCE. Assuming we can get it to sync? Did you get any luck with syncing it?
LINK (http://www.jammaboards.com/store/cga/ega/yuv-to-vga-converter-pcb-gbs-8220/prod_291.html)
My Saturn works perfectly with it. I hooked it up with SCART. Well, actually not SCART but via a DB9 I hacked into to the back of it. Saturn SCART cables don't have any resistors in them or anything though, so its identical to SCART. Cube and PS2 through component also sync perfectly. Any JAMMA board should work perfectly. My two MVS do.
I can't get the PCE to sync for the life of me though. I tried running the lines right in from the IFU, but it only syncs the first frame or two when you first turn the system on, then it drops. I built the old PC Engine no Tsubete RGB amp, and with that I got jack shit. I tried the new N64 inspired IC amp people are talking about now, and that didn't work either. This amp leaves the sync alone, and that's probably my issue. I have a sync separator chip just for this purpose, I just need to figure out WTF to do with it.
What sucks is that this is my only 15kHz RGB capable device, so I can't be certain that my PCE mods are functional at all. If I had a normal fully analog RGB monitor I have a feeling it would sync fine, but I can't be sure. I also have issues with Genesis, but that's for different reasons. I have an X-RGB2+ on the way. Once it gets here I'll have a better frame of reference.
Didn't you say you had some extra monitors of some sort? You live in Cleveland, right?
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: esteban on February 02, 2011, 06:18:32 AM
I'm glad I started this thread. Half of you confuse the F out of me. But the rest of you are actually informing my dumb azz big time. Keep the info comin! Some of you say LCD looks bad compared to an old tube TV.
Some Tubes do look like shit, my mom gave me her old 27" sylvan CRT and I was all pumped since I've been playing on a 20" Toshiba CRT. Brought it home, played with every setting and it still looks like crap so I'm back to my 20". I'd rather have a smaller screen with a nice picture than a large one that looks like a turd. Someday I will stumble on a 27-32" CRT with a nice picture and it will be mine.....
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 02, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
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Didn't you say you had some extra monitors of some sort? You live in Cleveland, right?
Yeah I live in Cleveland right near that CCAG place. I have a 1084S-D1 and a 1080 monitor. They're nice, but when you've got a Turbo-R, Amiga1200, SuperGrafx, and whoknows wtf else set up on this desk, its nice to have a flat panel to use.
This TV has a VGA port on it. Would that board allow me to use the systems on it with the VGA port? I am pretty retarded at this sort of thing.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 02, 2011, 11:40:23 AM
Some Tubes do look like shit, my mom gave me her old 27" sylvan CRT and I was all pumped since I've been playing on a 20" Toshiba CRT. Brought it home, played with every setting and it still looks like crap so I'm back to my 20". I'd rather have a smaller screen with a nice picture than a large one that looks like a turd. Someday I will stumble on a 27-32" CRT with a nice picture and it will be mine.....
Well, yeah, not every CRT is good, obviously. That is why some 27" TVs cost $200, and the one I got the other day cost $1300. Since it was used I only paid $20 though, and boy does it RULE.
Here is a link to me talking about my crazy new monitor. (http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221111)
A pretty sure bet on CRTs from the 90s is Sony. You can get a great old Trinitron for $60 at a Salvation Army store.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 02, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
This TV has a VGA port on it. Would that board allow me to use the systems on it with the VGA port? I am pretty retarded at this sort of thing.
Yeah, that's the whole purpose of the board. It will take almost any RGB signal (as well as component) and output them as 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768 VGA.
That doesn't necessarily mean it will look at that great though. I have a 19" Samsung LCD monitor that I tried with it and it looked like shit since VGA always looks like shit going into that thing, and at a non-native res...its terrible. When I hook my Macbook to it via DVI is terrific, but with analog sources its shite.
If you can turn off all scaling then it might look really nice though. I can't on this LCD of mine since its cheap shit. With a good display its probably pretty nice. The visual results on my 17" CRT are pretty good. It upscales way better than most TVs, but those used to "real" line doublers from Micomsoft (or better) won't be having it. It has some issues with fake flicker transparencies, but its not as bad as the shit built into most LCD TVs where one guy has a full black shadow and the other guy has none.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 02, 2011, 12:14:08 PM
I am debating taking this TV back as I just got it yesterday, and putting the 1084 back on the desk. Though, inevitably, it is going to die...so finding a modern solution is needed eventually.
I don't have any RGB mods on any of my consoles. My MSX outputs RGB natively though.
Going from standard RCA composite doom into an XRGB, will that yield happy results, or no?
Also, I am thinking of buying this: SLG3000 Scanline Generator thing.... to use with the XRGB or something.
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ Has lots of information/comparisons point to getting an VP30 + Scanline generator, or the XRGB, if your goal is to play PCE stuff, or MSX. (And yes I am aware that MSX on the site is for Metal Slug X, and not the MSX computer!).
Would I need to RGB mod my SuperGrafx, or Duo-R to take full advantage of an XRGB or VP30 though? Cause if so, f*ck it. 1084 time. Composite on a 1084 looks good. I am thinking about getting an RGB mod on my duo-r eventually. Doesn't D-Lite do them? :)
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: nat on February 02, 2011, 01:34:50 PM
I'm glad I started this thread. Half of you confuse the F out of me. But the rest of you are actually informing my dumb azz big time. Keep the info comin! Some of you say LCD looks bad compared to an old tube TV.
Some Tubes do look like shit, my mom gave me her old 27" sylvan CRT and I was all pumped since I've been playing on a 20" Toshiba CRT. Brought it home, played with every setting and it still looks like crap so I'm back to my 20". I'd rather have a smaller screen with a nice picture than a large one that looks like a turd. Someday I will stumble on a 27-32" CRT with a nice picture and it will be mine.....
Three letters for you... J-V-C.
You might be laughing, but seriously. I have a JVC 30" CRT that we (my wife and I) got new in 2004. It's a flat-screen CRT, which I much prefer over the curved screens. The important thing, however, is that it displays just about the best (perfectly colored, crispest) picture I've ever seen on a CRT. The input selection pales in comparison to that one Zeta linked to, but it still offers 3x composite inputs, 1x component and 1x S-Video in addition to RF. I have to use two switchboxes (one for the composites and one for the S-Videos) for all the consoles I have hooked up to it, but in 30 years I've never seen a better picture on a CRT.
Also, FWIW, I have no bias to JVC or anything. Up until last year I owned a 1991 JVC set (same size, 30") that had a picture that couldn't touch the 2004 JVC with a 100-foot pole. The flyback transformer finally blew so I chucked it. On the other hand, I will push my electronics knowledge to the limits to keep the 2004 going forever.
EDIT: Here's the 2004 TV I'm talking about. (http://www.amazon.com/JVC-AV32F577-ATSC-QAM-Tuner/dp/B000FEWR4I) The description is misleading, as the TV is not HD. It's just capable of receiving and "downscaling" HD video feeds and displaying them as SD.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 02, 2011, 01:38:55 PM
XRGBs work best with RGB. Using S-Vid and Composite through them aren't recommended unless you have no choice. The SLG3000 is for VGA. So you can pair one with an XRGB, but not really needed unless your are really anal about perfect scanlines, or have an XRGB-1 (no scanlines, but cheapest option).
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 02, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
XRGBs work best with RGB. Using S-Vid and Composite through them aren't recommended unless you have no choice. The SLG3000 is for VGA. So you can pair one with an XRGB, but not really needed unless your are really anal about perfect scanlines, or have an XRGB-1 (no scanlines, but cheapest option).
but what about using that DVDO option, thats cheaper than an XRGB, with the scanline simulator?
This all sucks and seems like a lot of f*ckin work when I got a badass 1084S in the closet 5 feet from me.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 02, 2011, 05:32:18 PM
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Three letters for you... J-V-C.
Hey, that's the TV I moved out of the game room and into a bedroom to make room for this crazy new one I got. I think its more like 27", but it looks exactly like that and has most, if not all, of the same features. The picture is really good for sure, and I like the 16:9 enhanced capability. I wish my new one did that. Someday I want to get a squeeze Laserdisc and try that out, but I've used it a lot with DVDs. I don't know if mine has the 3D comb filter or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
Going from standard RCA composite doom into an XRGB, will that yield happy results, or no?
well, happer, but RGB gives jaw droppingly awesome results. It will scale and deinterlace much better than almost any TV, but it will be not as good.
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Also, I am thinking of buying this: SLG3000 Scanline Generator thing.... to use with the XRGB or something.
All XRGBs except for the 1 do this already, but it might team up really well with the $35 "HD converter" thing I linked to. I've wanted to try it but can't justify the cost. Combined they would still be a fraction of the cost of an XRGB.
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Would I need to RGB mod my SuperGrafx, or Duo-R to take full advantage of an XRGB or VP30 though? Cause if so, f*ck it. 1084 time. Composite on a 1084 looks good. I am thinking about getting an RGB mod on my duo-r eventually. Doesn't D-Lite do them? :)
The RGB mod is pretty minor in cost/complexity compared to the XRGB. I will be offering this service here soon. I have some more experimenting to do though.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 02, 2011, 11:21:19 PM
XRGBs work best with RGB. Using S-Vid and Composite through them aren't recommended unless you have no choice. The SLG3000 is for VGA. So you can pair one with an XRGB, but not really needed unless your are really anal about perfect scanlines, or have an XRGB-1 (no scanlines, but cheapest option).
but what about using that DVDO option, thats cheaper than an XRGB, with the scanline simulator?
This all sucks and seems like a lot of f*ckin work when I got a badass 1084S in the closet 5 feet from me.
As nice as the XRGBs are, they still aren't the same as a real 15khz monitor. My 21'' VGA monitor with XRGB looks beautiful, but my 19'' cab's monitor wins every time. Stop being lazy, mod your systems and use that RGB monitor of yours. PCE RGB mods are stupid easy.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Obfuscate on February 03, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
As nice as the XRGBs are, they still aren't the same as a real 15khz monitor. My 21'' VGA monitor with XRGB looks beautiful, but my 19'' cab's monitor wins every time. Stop being lazy, mod your systems and use that RGB monitor of yours. PCE RGB mods are stupid easy.
It has nothing to do with lazy. I'm not comfortable opening a Duo-R or supergrafx to poke at it with soldering irons. I'll do it with a C64 because I don't care if I break those pieces of shit. :)
Someone else can do it for me maybe. The big thing though is, the RGB monitor takes up too much room on the desk, hence the flat panel.
I want to find the best way to make a LCD tv look similar to the 1084. Space is important. Plus the 1084S will probably blow up soon.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 03, 2011, 12:35:31 PM
SGX is an easy mod. There is so much empty space it's hilarious. 70% of the PCB is totally devoid of traces. It could easily have been the size of a normal PCE I'd bet. Plus you can use the expansion port, which is really easy, and very hard to mess up. :) You could always just buy a junk Ten no koe 2 and mod it, you can do the mod on both ends of the port.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 03, 2011, 03:18:53 PM
an RGB modded supagrafx would be legit, since I got the CD doodadder and what not.
Whats this about using the expansion port now?
The one on the front, or the one on the back?
Wtfs the one on the front even do?
I took that TV back and hooked the 1084 up with composite. Looks sexy.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 03, 2011, 11:31:47 PM
The one on the back. Just have to solder wires to the correct pins. Don't need to use the chip like on a Duo. I think the front port was for the Power Console, but nobody really knows.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 04, 2011, 03:14:05 AM
The one on the back. Just have to solder wires to the correct pins. Don't need to use the chip like on a Duo. I think the front port was for the Power Console, but nobody really knows.
So I could actually make a ghetto connector instead of soldering to the pins? step 1, buy a tennokoe or some jive
step 2, hack that bastard up?
but then what if I want to use the RAU-30 and stuff to CD-ROM it up.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Necromancer on February 04, 2011, 03:32:45 AM
So I could actually make a ghetto connector instead of soldering to the pins? step 1, buy a tennokoe or some jive
step 2, hack that bastard up?
but then what if I want to use the RAU-30 and stuff to CD-ROM it up.
Go this route instead:
Step 1: Put console in box and ship that mo-fo to [insert name of RGB mod provider here]. Step 2: Fap repeatedly to pictures of Lum cosplay girl. Step 3: Retrieve mail, open box, connect cables and enjoy RGB goodness.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 04, 2011, 03:39:41 AM
So I could actually make a ghetto connector instead of soldering to the pins? step 1, buy a tennokoe or some jive
step 2, hack that bastard up?
but then what if I want to use the RAU-30 and stuff to CD-ROM it up.
Go this route instead:
Step 1: Put console in box and ship that mo-fo to [insert name of RGB mod provider here]. Step 2: Fap repeatedly to pictures of Lum cosplay girl. Step 3: Retrieve mail, open box, connect cables and enjoy RGB goodness.
yeah. that route sounds better lol.
I could hack one up though i got spare wires, itll just look like cock aesthetically.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Duo_R on February 06, 2011, 06:01:24 AM
ok I found a Sony KV32FS12 on craigslist. Anyone try this set? The sucky thing is it doesn't have progressive but if this is for old school shouldn't matter too much.
ok I found a Sony KV32FS12 on craigslist. Anyone try this set? The sucky thing is it doesn't have progressive but if this is for old school shouldn't matter too much.
My only hesistation is no progressive scan, but I guess for turbob it doesnt matter.
The Progressive Sony's don't display in true low res. Only Progressive or 4X Zoom. Meaning you lose the scan lines. I have a Progressive Sony, in RGB games look great, but the Fami looks like crap without the scan lines. Honestly you're better off with a true low-res model (like that one) for retro. It's a shame the USA versions of that TV don't have the RGB inputs though.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Duo_R on February 07, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
My only hesistation is no progressive scan, but I guess for turbob it doesnt matter.
The Progressive Sony's don't display in true low res. Only Progressive or 4X Zoom. Meaning you lose the scan lines. I have a Progressive Sony, in RGB games look great, but the Fami looks like crap without the scan lines. Honestly you're better off with a true low-res model (like that one) for retro. It's a shame the USA versions of that TV don't have the RGB inputs though.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 11, 2011, 06:10:11 AM
Id like some professional advice:
I have a 55" Sony Bravia LED tv.
Its froigjrogierag HUGE. I have surround sound loudness.
What would be an idea way to hook Turbob up to it without dropping a ton of money?
SLG3000 and a DVDO unit?
Just get an XRGB3?
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 11, 2011, 07:52:21 AM
Is it possible to make roughly 1/8" square pixels (9/64" x 7/64") look good?
we're gonna find out.
If it sucks, ANYONE WANNA BUY AN XRGB3?
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 11, 2011, 09:44:39 AM
I don't think you'll have much trouble getting rid of any XRGB. They hold their value pretty well.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 11, 2011, 12:27:58 PM
and it does the thing that Scanline Simulator does?
I really just don't want to buy like 49320 things to hook up just to play China warrior on a 55" TV and have it not look like a smeared abortion
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 11, 2011, 10:54:38 PM
The SLG3000 only accepts 31khz (VGA) input. Won't work by itself with a PCE. If you don't care about arcade pcbs, just get an XRGB-2plus. As it's typically the cheapest. The 3 outputs in HD, but it's Japanese HD. So, a lot of USA TVs will not work with it's odd 1125p output. Also in HD mode you can't use the scan lines anyway. The only reason to buy a 3 over a 2/2+ is if you are using a console that outputs in 480p (Gamecube, Xbox, some ps2).
You are still going to have to mod the PCE though, so you might as well just mod the it and use your commodore monitor. 15khz RGB CRT will never be beaten.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 12, 2011, 05:59:01 AM
The SLG3000 only accepts 31khz (VGA) input. Won't work by itself with a PCE. If you don't care about arcade pcbs, just get an XRGB-2plus. As it's typically the cheapest. The 3 outputs in HD, but it's Japanese HD. So, a lot of USA TVs will not work with it's odd 1125p output. Also in HD mode you can't use the scan lines anyway. The only reason to buy a 3 over a 2/2+ is if you are using a console that outputs in 480p (Gamecube, Xbox, some ps2).
You are still going to have to mod the PCE though, so you might as well just mod the it and use your commodore monitor. 15khz RGB CRT will never be beaten.
I thought it accepted composite and was acceptable enough with the line doubling and scanlining and whanot
I dunno if my Sony can handle japanese HD.
Alot of things can beat a 15khz RGB monitor, when the screen is that f*ckin tiny. lol
Playing Valis on a 15" monitor is pretty damn lame.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: nat on February 12, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
The SLG3000 only accepts 31khz (VGA) input. Won't work by itself with a PCE. If you don't care about arcade pcbs, just get an XRGB-2plus. As it's typically the cheapest. The 3 outputs in HD, but it's Japanese HD. So, a lot of USA TVs will not work with it's odd 1125p output. Also in HD mode you can't use the scan lines anyway. The only reason to buy a 3 over a 2/2+ is if you are using a console that outputs in 480p (Gamecube, Xbox, some ps2).
You are still going to have to mod the PCE though, so you might as well just mod the it and use your commodore monitor. 15khz RGB CRT will never be beaten.
I thought it accepted composite and was acceptable enough with the line doubling and scanlining and whanot
I dunno if my Sony can handle japanese HD.
Alot of things can beat a 15khz RGB monitor, when the screen is that f*ckin tiny. lol
Playing Valis on a 15" monitor is pretty damn lame.
15"?!? My Apple IIGS RGB (also 15khz) monitor is like 10". Not that I've ever hooked it up to anything but the IIGS.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Arkhan on February 12, 2011, 11:08:58 AM
my bad its 13 inches, oh boy.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: esteban on February 13, 2011, 09:44:04 AM
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SuperPlay on February 16, 2011, 09:00:20 AM
1084 ....... Ahhhhh reminds me of the good 'ol Amiga Days :-)
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: esteban on February 18, 2011, 03:48:55 PM
THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/C64_sucks.jpg)
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: MotherGunner on February 23, 2011, 03:59:36 AM
You know what I wish I had? Remember those old SNES Kiosks at Toys R Us? I remember the scan-lines on them looking so clean that I always wondered what kind of TVs they used.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Necromancer on February 23, 2011, 04:44:13 AM
You know what I wish I had? Remember those old SNES Kiosks at Toys R Us? I remember the scan-lines on them looking so clean that I always wondered what kind of TVs they used.
SNES kiosk? Screw that - give me a TurbobKioskTM!
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: MotherGunner on February 23, 2011, 05:19:12 AM
Agreed, but I want the hardware from that SNES Kiosk to run my TG! =)
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Sparky on February 24, 2011, 09:15:35 AM
a couple other TV/monitors i use from time to time :)...
Commodore 64 monitors which still look so damn good no matter what you hook them up to!!! and a 9" or 12" (i forget) Sony Trinitron which i wish i had more of... great for colour and fits on my game shelves perfectly!!!
a couple other TV/monitors i use from time to time :)...
Commodore 64 monitors which still look so damn good no matter what you hook them up to!!! and a 9" or 12" (i forget) Sony Trinitron which i wish i had more of... great for colour and fits on my game shelves perfectly!!!
Good idea. I use one of two myself, either a 36 inch Sony Wega circa 1999 or a Samsung 32 inch CRT/HDTV that displays up to 720p/1080i. The old Commodore monitors are a really good idea. I have a couple of spares myself...hmmmm....
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: Zaki on April 02, 2011, 09:33:33 AM
37' LCD
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: SNKNostalgia on April 03, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
27" Sony Trinitron WEGA SD CRT in my bedroom and a 36" Toshiba HD CRT in the living room. The Toshiba is nice for HD gaming, though it could a little better. It is real nice for 480p support on the GC, PS2, Xbox and DVDs. Now that I have a PS3 I would prefer a big LCD in the living room for Blu-ray movies. I was working on getting one, but my parents friends gave me the Toshiba HDTV. Why spend the money :) .
For retrogaming you can't go wrong with a nice CRT with a Digital Comb Filter built in. Compared to regular CRTs it makes composite almost look like S-video (it does wonders for the NES), makes S-video look closer to component video and component video looks just great. It also helps to learn the service mode codes on these things as many consoles over the years tend to off-center the picture.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: takashirose on April 03, 2011, 02:24:56 PM
I have 32" Sony Bravia LCD XBR9 that my Turbo Duo is hooked up to. I miss the scan-lines, but I find the picture clear. Good thing the TUrbo Duo never had a light gun, or else I wood get depressed. I would get a nice flatscreen crt to play my light gun games.
Title: Re: What kinda TV do you play TG16 on?
Post by: JohnnyBlaze on May 14, 2011, 03:59:34 AM
I use a JVC Flat Tube TV. I try to use an older TV if I can for older games. Either that, or I'll use my 32" Vizio Razor LED TV.....