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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Discussion => Topic started by: scuzzo84 on August 26, 2005, 08:03:43 AM
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the tg16 is the american version of the pc-engine right? so why is it uglier and look a lot bigger?
http://konsolen.emubase.de/index.php?action=nec/pcengine&page=1
can anyone explain these cosoles? what the heck is a shuffle and grafx and so on?
I though its only the pc-engine, tg16, and then the unites that add on, and the units that are both as 1....
*beats up keranu*
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I think is answered by the same reason that we got only a handful of titles and japan got a ton of titles...they misunderstood the market.
Am I wrong?
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Before I post anything, I want to thank you for that wonderful link! It's a nice link to show the variety of all of the consoles.
The Turbo Grafx-16 is the American version of the PC Engine. The reason why it looks so different is because companies often do change the design of a console when they bring it out to different countries. Some people may say that the PC Engine got "beaten with an ugly stick" on it's way to America as the Turbo Grafx 16, but I still love the design of the TG16, even if it is a little dorky. Japanese figure us American "like big car", so why not like "bigger console"?
There are MANY different types of PC Engine consoles out there, including the PC Engine Core Grafx, PC Engine Core Grafx II, and the PC Engine Shuttle. All of these play and the other ones play PC Engine games, but the Core Grafx systems add AV outputs which the original didn't have and the PCE Shuttle didn't have the back expansion to hook up to a CD system. Don't be frightened by all the various PCE versions!
The Super Grafx, however, is almost an entirely new console. It takes the existing PC Engine hardware and boosts some things up (I forget what exactly, but I'm sure someone can post the difference in hardware terms). There were only six games made for the Super Grafx, and that's mainly because it didn't sell well and the PCE was still selling like hotcakes in Japan at that same time. Also, the Super Grafx is backwards compatable and can play PC Engine HuCards, which is certainly a nice feature! It can even hook up to the PCE CD system using the Rau 30 adapter.
*Kicks Scuzzo in the shins*
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how the hell did hudson have money to put out so many consoles... doesnt make sense. And these consoles werent even entireley new, but just lil mods...Who else even does that? Usually they just let the console finish its life and then release the next gen system.....
Its like some sony ceo is like hey we forgot this tiny feature, lets put out a ps2 fx just to add this lil feature. No1 does that...unless they got super money or risking some shiznit i duno, just sounds odd, and I didnt expect that they would put out so many.
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Hudson Soft was making the mad money after a couple years of their release of the PC Engine and since NEC was/is a huge electronics company, they had plenty of money to afford the costs for new consoles and the other console formats sold too, so they were still hot on the money. Out in the USA was an entirely different story though.
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i just learned today hudson soft had a big role in the pc engine, etc. sunsoft could have helped too. am i forgetting a soft?
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i just learned today hudson soft had a big role in the pc engine, etc. sunsoft could have helped too. am i forgetting a soft?
micro jk
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One of the reasons the TG-16 is bigger than the PCE is because FCC regulations require some shielding. Now, it could very well be that the shielding (and any other requirement) could have been retrofitted into the existing PCE design... that's when Keranu's point comes into play (if you pay $200 for a console, you wanna get your money's worth in plastic!).
BUT, here is an interesting tid-bit: The japanese DUO was designed with the U.S. market in mind, because they allowed room in the console's design to add shielding. It doesn't mean that the DUO was destined for the U.S. market... but it reveals some foresight by the engineers/designers to keep the option open, just in case the DUO did make it overseas.
So, there are two issues here:
1. To what extent was the TG-16 designed strictly for aesthetics
2. To what extent was the TG-16 designed to meet technical / economic constraints
I think both factors played a role. Personally, and you'll laugh, I think that the U.S. TG-16 is kool. Let's consider contemporaries:
* the NES is a box, a box I LOVE, but a box nonetheless. The later A/V redesign is even uglier than the original NES design, IMO. Now, I happen to love the look of this box... but you could never describe the style as "inspired"... "utilitarian" definitely, but not artistic.
* SMS -- I love the original design. Yes, it's angular, but it is NOT boxy and therefore has an awesome 80's high-tech feel to it. SMS, you rule. The later redesigns: ugly.
* Sega Genesis -- sorry, but I never found this console attractive. The original design is much more interesting than the later redesigns, IMO, but it's still pretty ugly.
* TG-16 -- SEXY AND SLIM, like a more sophisticated version of the original SMS. Eschews the top-loading cart (which is ugly, folks) in favor of front-loading. The original NES rocks because it is front-loading... but for practical reasons they should have ommitted the "pressing down" aspect.
* TG-16 + TG-CD -- oh crap, this is not sexy and it is not slim. BUT IT IS A FRIGGIN' ODD SHAPE and therefore a compelling design (all those nooks and crannies!).
In summary: top loaders are ugly, while genesis ruled, it was an ugly console, SMS & TG-16 had the koolest 80's hi-tek aesthetics out there.
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now this is sexy
(http://www.ataritimes.com/jaguar/images/Jaguar.jpg)
(http://mypage.bluewin.ch/QLvsJaguar/jagcd_T.gif)
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that jaguar system is the ugliest system ever. why show that? this is a form of terrorism.
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The Super Grafx, however, is almost an entirely new console. It takes the existing PC Engine hardware and boosts some things up (I forget what exactly, but I'm sure someone can post the difference in hardware terms).
An additional VDC and quadruple the scratch RAM (32K instead of 8K). But they forgot to upgrade the CPU...
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that jaguar system is the ugliest system ever. why show that? this is a form of terrorism.
no the original SNES design is ugly, the Nintendo 64 isn't the best design, the Xbox should be called the X crate that thing is ENORMOUS. The Playstation 2 isn't anything spectacular....come to think of it....most consoles weren't all that...
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the nes looked cool for its time. and i disagree with you on the ps2, i happen to like the way it looks. of course it would be far cooler if ther was a hucard slot, but that's another story. i just don't like that black and red combination. doesn't the jaguar and everything els atari make suck anyways?
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the nes looked cool for its time. and i disagree with you on the ps2, i happen to like the way it looks. of course it would be far cooler if ther was a hucard slot, but that's another story. i just don't like that black and red combination. doesn't the jaguar and everything els atari make suck anyways?
yes , but the design is simple and slick, and not boxy like tg16
Atari didnt make the jaguar by the way, and didnt manufacture it. Flare 1 was behind it and IBM manufactured it.
And you stink!
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what relevance does the maker of the console have? it never caught on simply because it was crap and nobody liked the way it looked. this is of course not the reason turbo failed in the u.s.
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what relevance does the maker of the console have? it never caught on simply because it was crap and nobody liked the way it looked. this is of course not the reason turbo failed in the u.s.
I dont think many people complained about how it looked, maybe the controllers, but not the console. And yea it sucked but you suck too
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what relevance does the maker of the console have? it never caught on simply because it was crap and nobody liked the way it looked. this is of course not the reason turbo failed in the u.s.
More like NEC didn't under stand the U.S market.
Tons of games in japan... but they failed to release them here why?
Btw i still feel this way even today, for under rated systems.
TG16>Saturn :wink:
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what relevance does the maker of the console have? it never caught on simply because it was crap and nobody liked the way it looked. this is of course not the reason turbo failed in the u.s.
More like NEC didn't under stand the U.S market.
Tons of games in japan... but they failed to release them here why?
Btw i still feel this way even today, for under rated systems.
TG16>Saturn :wink:
I agree. The misunderstanding of the US market was clearly the factor in the failure of the TG. Just look at the games that could (should) have made it to the US shores Street Fighter II and Dracula X at the very least. Underrated machine. Same really goes for the Jaguar it was underrated and even more poorly marketed than the TG/Duo in all repsects. The Jaguar was with the Turbo was also ahead of its time. The Turbo came out when 8-bit was still the dominating force, so the competition for it wasn't really even there yet. Same with the Jaguar it was designed to be better than the 16-bit/early 32-bit systems. Which it could have done better than if the marketing had been right. So I just real feel sorry for what gamers lost due to poor marketing....
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what relevance does the maker of the console have? it never caught on simply because it was crap and nobody liked the way it looked. this is of course not the reason turbo failed in the u.s.
More like NEC didn't under stand the U.S market.
Tons of games in japan... but they failed to release them here why?
Btw i still feel this way even today, for under rated systems.
TG16>Saturn :wink:
I agree. The misunderstanding of the US market was clearly the factor in the failure of the TG. Just look at the games that could (should) have made it to the US shores Street Fighter II and Dracula X at the very least. Underrated machine. Same really goes for the Jaguar it was underrated and even more poorly marketed than the TG/Duo in all repsects. The Jaguar was with the Turbo was also ahead of its time. The Turbo came out when 8-bit was still the dominating force, so the competition for it wasn't really even there yet. Same with the Jaguar it was designed to be better than the 16-bit/early 32-bit systems. Which it could have done better than if the marketing had been right. So I just real feel sorry for what gamers lost due to poor marketing....
jaguar didnt have games, and making games for it was hard, damn NEC/Hudson of all games, they didnt release Dracula X here? wtf
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jaguar didnt have games, and making games for it was hard, damn NEC/Hudson of all games, they didnt release Dracula X here? wtf
No the Jag had no games but it could have. It had decent potential that was wasted on a lot of lame 3D space shooters.
Dracula X not coming here was Konami's deal I believe.
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Like most people that own a jaguar it is to play tempest 2000.
And maybe also Alien vs Predator.
The Jaguar with it's CD add on (wich i don't have as i believe there is no game worth having it) looks like a toilet.
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What's the most beautifully engineered console ever made? The Dreamcast! It just looks great, and has tons of power packed inside that small design. :) It's right up there with the PCE in terms of lots of power packed in a small size.
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What's the most beautifully engineered console ever made? The Dreamcast! It just looks great, and has tons of power packed inside that small design. :) It's right up there with the PCE in terms of lots of power packed in a small size.
I will say hmmmm...Duo RX is nice....that just me.
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PCE+CD is my all time favorite design! NES rules in everyway too and I just love it's original design! Long live the NES.
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first of all, many of you are copying and pasting my comment about jaguar, and trying to make it sound like i said it about turbo gravx. if you bother to look at my posts i have said nothing but positive things about turbo gravx.
so far as the jaguar is concerned, unlike everyone else who posted on this thread, i really have no opnion on the jaguar except i don't like the site of it.
and for the person who continues to make insults, as if i've said something bad about his moma, i was not aware there are five year olds on this message board. just please, stop mentioning the jaguar, it just irks me when i see it. :twisted:
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I don't know what you're on about, but please at least try to spell the console name correctly, eh? Thanks. :D :D :D
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are you literate? well, if you are and you read the thread, then you would understand. but it's all really inconsequential, anyways. so i can understand why you wouldn't understand the topic of this thread, considering the extent to which it is boring.
look down, how is that spelled? is it wrong?
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Dude you crack me up bigtime. :D Thanks for the entertainment.
ADDENDUM: And btw...yes, it's wrong. There was no space between Turbo and Grafx. And in the USA, there was a 16 after the Grafx, with or without a hyphen (both ways are correct). :D
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are you literate? well, if you are and you read the thread, then you would understand. but it's all really inconsequential, anyways. so i can understand why you wouldn't understand the topic of this thread, considering the extent to which it is boring.
look down, how is that spelled? is it wrong?
I was just wondering about the "v"....its disturbing....wow man...you really don't want to come in here unless you have your GED.... :twisted:
Thats a joke...see how this place works....
Hey man if you check around these boards, you will see lots of shit, lots of times people get out of hand, but for the most part...we are (and I repeat myself) some sarcastic son of a bitches around here. So lets all just lighten up and have a good time...if you are gonna get upset because someone is defending a system or because they are raggin' on you or something you like....you might wanna find another place to hang....talk to "The Messiah"....anyone who gets that joke...you rock :twisted:
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You definitely don't have to worry about gimmick clowns that use their wittiness to derail threads. Those from Neo Geo.com should know what I mean.
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first of all, i'm not upset. second of all, i love turbo grafx, so there would be no point in defending it from my words, as i have never said anything negative about it.
third of all, do me a favor: look at your keyboard. okay, now, the letter f is located just above the letter v, correct? okay, i can't believe i'm explaining this to you, but obviously i typed gravx by accident. now, i'm not in english class. this is message board. i'm sure you have made typos as well, and ton assume that i am making fun of turbo grafx when my signature(look down, haven't you noticed?) is BRING BACK TURBO GRAFX!, spelled correctly, is absurd.
so far asleaving the board, that would be pointless, considering you are the one who overreacted, not me. also, if you had made a coment and your words got twisted around, on purpose or inadverdently, wouldn't you won't to set the record straight? does the truth or reality mean anything in this world?
look at earlier posts in this thread. somebody repeatedly called me names. i don't care about that because i'm not a five year old like the person who did it. :twisted:
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first of all, i'm not upset. second of all, i love turbo grafx, so there would be no point in defending it from my words, as i have never said anything negative about it.
third of all, do me a favor: look at your keyboard. okay, now, the letter f is located just above the letter v, correct? okay, i can't believe i'm explaining this to you, but obviously i typed gravx by accident. now, i'm not in english class. this is message board. i'm sure you have made typos as well, and ton assume that i am making fun of turbo grafx when my signature(look down, haven't you noticed?) is BRING BACK TURBO GRAFX!, spelled correctly, is absurd.
so far asleaving the board, that would be pointless, considering you are the one who overreacted, not me. also, if you had made a coment and your words got twisted around, on purpose or inadverdently, wouldn't you won't to set the record straight? does the truth or reality mean anything in this world?
look at earlier posts in this thread. somebody repeatedly called me names. i don't care about that because i'm not a five year old like the person who did it. :twisted:
I was simply trying to make the point that we all need to lighten up....my entire last post was about that.... I wasn't actually trying to insult you, I was pointing out that we should all be here to have fun....I wasn't telling you to leave, I was just saying that if you feel that you have to defend yourself against people saying absurd things then you are prolly going to spend a lot of time doing that....everything is OK...all is in good humor and fun...I wasn't reacting out of anger or anything like that....I was reacting how I always do...with humor...well Sarcasm...which where I come from equates to humor.... :D
Now we can get back on topic....
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AND where do you see a space betwwen turbo and grafx? why would you make things up? is that your idea of winning an argument? just le and act like you've won. lol. and why would i put 16 after grafx when it is the name turbo grafx for a new console by NEC that i am asking for. if they made a new system it obviously wouldn't be called 16.
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This is funny as hell... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is funny as hell... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:shock: and on top of that...Time Killers was a FANTASIC GAME, it had the best graphics and tightest controls EVER... :D :roll:
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AND where do you see a space betwwen turbo and grafx? why would you make things up? is that your idea of winning an argument? just le and act like you've won. lol. and why would i put 16 after grafx when it is the name turbo grafx for a new console by NEC that i am asking for. if they made a new system it obviously wouldn't be called 16.
Are you talking about the PC-FX, thats a nice looking machine, great controller....thats the last NEC system I know of.....
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I was slightly disappointed by the look of the Turbografx after getting hyped up over pictures of the PC Engine from gaming mags like VG&CE and EGM. I think the original white PC Engine is one of the slickest console designs ever, but the Turbo is not bad looking in its own right (as long as you leave the cover on over the expansion port).
As for marketing...yeah, I'd agree that marketing is where the Turbo failed in North America. However, I don't think the main issue was the selection of games brought over. If you look at what titles were released in NA during the time the Turbo was viable (from 89-91) most of the good HuCards were localized. By 91 it was pretty obvious that the Turbo was not going to be a big success, especially with the pending release of the SNES. Nabbing Street Fighter II as an exclusive might have helped, but come on what were the chances of that especially in NA? It took a year for Sega to get Street Fighter on the much more successful Genesis. And Dracula X was way (way) too late to have an impact, not to mention the fact that it would have been limited to CD system owners.
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If they did allow Midway to make an exclusive Mortal Kombat for the system back then, then I'm sure sales and attention would have a good incrase :) .
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no, Lord Crack, i wasn't talking about the pc engine fx. if i wanted NEC to bring the pc-fx to the u.s., then i would have said "bring the pc-fx to the u.s. i don't like the pc-fx because every game on that system has anime charactors and i hate anime almost as much as i hate liberal humour.
what i WAS talking about was my desire to see a "brand new"( check the quotations) system made by NEC and released in the u.s., that system having the name Turbografx in its title.
obviouisly the pc-engine fx isn't a brand new system. the name turbografx didn't sound cool to most kids back in the day( as i was one of them, so i should know), but it would definately sound cool today. so, just in case you STILL don't comprehend, i want a brand new system with better grafx and innovation then the ps3, rev., and i forget what they call the new xbox. the new turbo grafx, get it? a completely new system.
"i do not.....comprehehnd."[/quote]
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If they did allow Midway to make an exclusive Mortal Kombat for the system back then, then I'm sure sales and attention would have a good incrase :) .
MK wasn't released for the TG because it was to be an ACD game...part of NEC's plans to bring the ACD to the US. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough "pull" for a stateside launch of the ACD and the plan fell through. You can imagine the rumours that floated around for awhile about "unfinished prototype builds" of MK for the TG.
I think I mentioned this all before though...heh. :D
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If they did allow Midway to make an exclusive Mortal Kombat for the system back then, then I'm sure sales and attention would have a good incrase :) .
MK wasn't released for the TG because it was to be an ACD game...part of NEC's plans to bring the ACD to the US. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough "pull" for a stateside launch of the ACD and the plan fell through. You can imagine the rumours that floated around for awhile about "unfinished prototype builds" of MK for the TG.
I think I mentioned this all before though...heh. :D
That would have been a great game on Turbo....even better would have been Mortal Kombat II :D
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no, Lord Crack, i wasn't talking about the pc engine fx. if i wanted NEC to bring the pc-fx to the u.s., then i would have said "bring the pc-fx to the u.s. i don't like the pc-fx because every game on that system has anime charactors and i hate anime almost as much as i hate liberal humour.
what i WAS talking about was my desire to see a "brand new"( check the quotations) system made by NEC and released in the u.s., that system having the name Turbografx in its title.
obviouisly the pc-engine fx isn't a brand new system. the name turbografx didn't sound cool to most kids back in the day( as i was one of them, so i should know), but it would definately sound cool today. so, just in case you STILL don't comprehend, i want a brand new system with better grafx and innovation then the ps3, rev., and i forget what they call the new xbox. the new turbo grafx, get it? a completely new system.
"i do not.....comprehehnd."
:lol:
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That would have been a great game on Turbo....even better would have been Mortal Kombat II :D
Well the hardware certainly would have been able to handle it, that's for sure. MKII was about twice the size of the original MK, and the 2MB of the ACD is way more than enough memory (the Sega CD handled MK just fine with a mere 768KB). Even MK3 would likely have been possible...they did the home versions on carts for cryin' out loud. :D (Speaking of which...I have the Playstation version of MK3...scary.)
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That would have been a great game on Turbo....even better would have been Mortal Kombat II :D
Well the hardware certainly would have been able to handle it, that's for sure. MKII was about twice the size of the original MK, and the 2MB of the ACD is way more than enough memory (the Sega CD handled MK just fine with a mere 768KB). Even MK3 would likely have been possible...they did the home versions on carts for cryin' out loud. :D (Speaking of which...I have the Playstation version of MK3...scary.)
I had PS1 version of Mortal Kombat Trilogy. I loved that series...well I didn't love it but I liked it OK...especially II. I thought that MK3 was kind of crappy, I didn't like the character direction they were taking. But I like the new guys from Ultimate MK. I liked Rain and Ermac especially. But the Ninja's were always my Fav's...Scorpion is still my favorite. Good times.....
It does make you wonder what titles theoretically could have been released for the Turbo. I mean there were a great number of cross over titles that had they been released on the Turbo prolly (probably) could have kept it in contention.
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MK wasn't released for the TG because it was to be an ACD game...part of NEC's plans to bring the ACD to the US. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough "pull" for a stateside launch of the ACD and the plan fell through. You can imagine the rumours that floated around for awhile about "unfinished prototype builds" of MK for the TG.
I think I mentioned this all before though...heh. :D
I didn't know it was going to be for Arcade Card. I was getting my source from the TZD Interview (http://pcenginefx.com/main/pcenginefx_com_-_feature_-_tzd.html) on PC Engine FX.
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how the hell did hudson have money to put out so many consoles... doesnt make sense. And these consoles werent even entireley new, but just lil mods...Who else even does that? Usually they just let the console finish its life and then release the next gen system.....
Its like some sony ceo is like hey we forgot this tiny feature, lets put out a ps2 fx just to add this lil feature. No1 does that...unless they got super money or risking some shiznit i duno, just sounds odd, and I didnt expect that they would put out so many.
In Japan, the PCE was number 2 next to Nintendo/Famicom and was hugely successful(not just number 2, like the SMS was behind the NES).
The Megadrive was technically a "failure" in Japan and the Saturn was actually Sega's most successful system there.
Now, in my opinion, as long as you make money, then a console is successful business-wise and the market is now so big, that a fourth console could still be a huge money maker.
This is why Nintendo still rakes in the bucks and could continue to do so forever even if it never comes back from 3rd place.
But the PC Engine wasn't just getting by, it was a hit and lasted almost a decade.
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And you stink!
Ooohh...looks like you just got SERVED. tuff break Blasta_Mazta :)
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And you stink!
Ooohh...looks like you just got SERVED. tuff break Blasta_Mazta :)
Man you missed like an entire series of comments...they have been removed apparently...but Blasta_Mazta I think has left us....not sure though...
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I think Blasta_Mazta blasted his way out of here since he said he would and I haven't seen his posts. However, keep an eye out for a new registered user and see if they spam, because that's probably the Blasta Maztar ;) .
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I think one of my posts was deleted (not by me), in which I told Masta that his pre-occupation with child porn and homophobia weren't welcome here. Then I encouraged him to stay (earnestly) if he'd -- at minimum -- act like a well-mannered 8 year old and show some common courtesy.
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Remember how he couldn't even spell faggot? I had to read his post like 4 times before I got what the f*ck he was trying to say, haha.
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I think one of my posts was deleted (not by me), in which I told Masta that his pre-occupation with child porn and homophobia weren't welcome here. Then I encouraged him to stay (earnestly) if he'd -- at minimum -- act like a well-mannered 8 year old and show some common courtesy.
I remember that post.
Remember how he couldn't even spell faggot? I had to read his post like 4 times before I got what the f*ck he was trying to say, haha.
It was even better when he mispelt "Turbo Grafx 16" (forgot how he spelt it) and he got REALLY pissed off and wanked once someone mentioned it. "I KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT! LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE! I AM A BIG Terbo Grafixx fan!"
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Haha it seems like this place has somebody freak out at least once a month. I wonder who it's gonna be next time? An old regular or another new guy?
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This is like a retard hospital, like in "One Who Flew Over the Cu-Cu's Nest".
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And you stink!
Ooohh...looks like you just got SERVED. tuff break Blasta_Mazta :)
Man you missed like an entire series of comments...they have been removed apparently...but Blasta_Mazta I think has left us....not sure though...
yeah, i was unaware of Blasta_Mazta's reputation. i drop in on this board a couple times a week and don't always read every post. i just think jokes about getting served are hilarious
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And you stink!
Ooohh...looks like you just got SERVED. tuff break Blasta_Mazta :)
Man you missed like an entire series of comments...they have been removed apparently...but Blasta_Mazta I think has left us....not sure though...
yeah, i was unaware of Blasta_Mazta's reputation. i drop in on this board a couple times a week and don't always read every post. i just think jokes about getting served are hilarious
The you would have loved it cause his ass got served....I mean Served
And the TG16 he spelled Turbogravx...man,
We miss yah Blasta....things just haven't been the same with you've gone....you came to our precious forum and stayed but a moment but your presence lives on. It lives on in how we will never forget the term "Don't eat the Bonk"....and it lives on everytime I hook a controller up to my Turbo Gravx 16....this is Blasta Mazta's lement....you will be missed...(OK does anyone else think that is just f*&kin' funny :lol: )
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Bonk's Revenge!
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Bonk's Revenge!
Is that the answer to "I'm hangry, whats for lunch?"?
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You bet!