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Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: neokellyzero on August 27, 2005, 03:56:06 PM
How does everyone feel about the saturn? It's my 2nd favorite system of all time(behind the pce, tied with the nes). Great library of imports that are reasonably priced(radiant silvergun, D&D excluded). Granted most of the 3-d stuff was only OK- but if you look at it for 2-d it's one of the better machines out there.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: TJ on August 27, 2005, 06:05:26 PM
I'm a big Saturn fan, lots of great stuff. As is typical with the last few Sega systems, it was great for arcade ports.
The Capcom fighters were always better on the Saturn than on the PlayStation, with bigger characters and features much closer to the arcade originals. Plus, with the addition of the RAM cart for some games, the games approached arcade-perfect (even though the RAM carts were pretty much only an import item, many US versions of the games, such as Marvel Super Heroes and Night Warriors, still supported it and would give you full arcade animations when in use).
And of course, the Saturn hosted a huge range of Japanese arcade shmups. Although some people feel Radiant Silvergun is overrated, IMO it deserves all the accolades it gets because it's fun, lengthy, and just an overall crazy experience. (Luckily I was smart enough to buy it when it came out, so I only paid $60 for it and not the inflated three-digit prices it's going for now!)
Saturn had some conceptually innovative games going for it too, like NiGHTS, Burning Rangers, and Panzer Dragoon Saga.
The unfortunate thing for Saturn fans now is that it's so hard to find any good US titles in the used shops -- everywhere I go has a few dozen sports games and a bunch of leftover Virtua Fighters or Daytona USAs and that's about it -- and you'll still pay $40 or so on ebay for a US release of Burning Rangers or Legend of Oasis (which happen to be two that I need, in case anyone's got some to get rid of).
Anyways, yeah, I'm a Saturn fan for sure, and I think it's kinda cool that many Sega consoles like the Saturn and Dreamcast inspire pretty fierce loyalty among their fans...so to paraphrase the Red Stripe beer commercials, Hooray Saturn! =D
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: GUTS on August 27, 2005, 06:10:09 PM
Saturn is f*cking awesome, I've been a huge Saturn fan since the day I first played Panzer Dragoon Zwei. Sega owns my soul.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: lord_cack on August 27, 2005, 10:06:41 PM
Saturn is OK, Dreamcast is OK....never been a huge Sega fan, those systems didn't change that. But I respect them a bit more for those systems.
Thye just didn't have the games I wanted to play...they had some great ones though....
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: nodtveidt on August 28, 2005, 02:16:52 AM
I owned a Saturn and almost cried when I had to give it up. :cry: My favourite game for the Saturn is Dark Savior...if you've never played it, do yourself the favour and PLAY IT, it's one of the coolest game concepts I've ever seen (parallel scenarios).
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on August 28, 2005, 04:49:47 AM
Man I traded in my whole Genesis collection when I was a kid (around 40 complete games, some really good ones too) and got a Saturn with NiGHTS for it back in 1997. I first saw a Saturn displayed at some store and it was playing NiGHTS and I thought it looked AWESOME! However, I only had two games for my Saturn, NiGHTS and NBA Jam TE, and would rent games for it, but my damn little brother tripped over the cables while it was hooked up and the damn thing wouldn't work again. I play my cousin's Saturn from time to time and enjoy it, but I haven't been able to play enough Japanese titles (but I have played some) to really enjoy it. I plan on getting a Saturn sometime and buying tons of classics for it because it is an awesome console, indeed.
By the way, Burning Rangers has a really fun concept, but I can't stand those 3-D controls. Panzer Dragoon, Fighter's Megamix, Dragon Force, and even Shining of the Holy Ark rocked my world though.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: dj898 on August 28, 2005, 01:08:19 PM
I've been collecting Saturn since it was released and have had several saturn consoles over the year... hell I even managed to get hold of pre-launch prototype saturn in my ever increasing saturn collection that already have two CartDev Rev.B Dev systems as well as multiple saturn consoles inc. Sonic, Skeleton and etc.
if it wasn't missus I'd brought the rest of my saturn collection from my old man's house but I only managed to brought the major ones leaving many titles behind... still I got most of saturn titles that I want except the factory sealed Crow... :)
Saturn was and is top of my choice though I also collect other consoles as well - PC Engine, N64, 64DD, DC, PS, GB and etc, (not counting the current gen systems)
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Ninja Spirit on August 28, 2005, 01:20:38 PM
I love my Saturn to no bounds. A system that suffered a similar fate as Turbo outside of Japan, high quality titles are labeled as "niche" and never come out.
As a matter of fact Saturn is part of where my burning hatred for the American game industry started.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Ninja Spirit on August 29, 2005, 03:29:10 AM
Anyone wondering what was up with the Saturn, here's the full story:
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Paladin on August 29, 2005, 11:00:53 AM
My saturn is near and dear too me, but I haven't played it very often due to having some bad cables. I tried my local pawn shop but they wouldn't sell me the cables without buying a system so I guess I'll be checking ebay. Anyway it really is a great import system. I would have to say Dragon Force 2 is my favorite game for the system. It improved so much on the first one while keeping its most endearing features. I do need to save up some money for a copy of D&D, it owns.
I have a treat for all the Saturn fans. A while back I stumbled upon a collection of the Segata Sanshiro commercials. These things are super cheesy but in a very good way. Anyway here is a link:
http://www.sega-saturn.com/news/091802.htm
Enjoy them they are great stuff.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on August 29, 2005, 12:02:07 PM
I saw all of those Segata Shanshiro commercials from here (http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_games_commercials.asp) , funny commercial series! That link also has many other commercials for lots of other consoles. My brother recorded most of the commercials on two VHS tapes and we enjoyed watching through all of them.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Paladin on August 30, 2005, 02:27:52 AM
That is a sweet site there man. I have a soft spot for video game commercials. Its been a while since I've seen that one for Link to the Past, its a classic. I'll probably spend all of tonight watching them. The sad thing is I don't see the Legend of Dragoon commercial on there. I remember seeing it like once (maybe twice) on TV. It was hilarious, and I was kinda surprised that it just wasn't clips from the game. I wonder if anyone else ever saw it..... I'm beginning to think I imagined it.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: esteban on August 30, 2005, 10:29:32 AM
paladin: thanks for the link to the sega-saturn commericals. I had never seen them before -- awesome!
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on August 30, 2005, 01:08:52 PM
The Link's Awakening commercial for Gameboy is one of my favorites, along with a Japanese SMS R-Type commercial, and of course the USA Turbo commercials. Atari ones are my favorites.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: mamonohunter on October 14, 2005, 04:24:45 AM
Saturn is very good, lots of cool games! It´s the arcade-ports I like the most and some versions seems to be the best on Saturn. Like Street fighter Zero 3 for example, that game is one of my fav-fighters ever! I would not mind getting more shooters like Battle Garegga that Ive heard is one hell of a shooter but also very difficult. Nights Into Dreams is one of my favorite- 3D games ever to also on Saturn.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Ninja Spirit on October 14, 2005, 06:55:42 AM
I heard Saturn SFZ3 is really expensive is that true? I recently mysteriously lost my Dreamcast version.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: khyrox on October 14, 2005, 08:53:18 AM
Quote from: "Ninja Spirit"
I heard Saturn SFZ3 is really expensive is that true? I recently mysteriously lost my Dreamcast version.
I just bought a copy of Saturn SFZ3 for over $100... :shock:
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: mamonohunter on October 14, 2005, 09:03:29 AM
I thought the price was going around 50 $ nowadays, but maeby the price is raising. To bad you lost the DC-version Ninja Spirit, it must be very cool to play it online and I dont think the Saturn version is sooo much better (just a little bit) even though I heard people saying it.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Ninja Spirit on October 14, 2005, 10:15:19 AM
Actually it's not so bad having it either. Lately I've been just playing it on Final Burn or MAME. For some godawful reason I have problems getting on Kaillera cuz I'm ready to exercise my Cody on some really good playrs.
IMO it's better than DC. If anyone can recall there's 2 different versions of Alpha/Zero 3. One that runs on CPS2 and the other version on Naomi.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on October 14, 2005, 10:57:01 AM
Cody in V-Ism can be VERY powerful. I haven't played fighting games seriously in a long time, but there is that famous combo you can do with V-Ism Cody, something concerning his kick move, followed by a jab (I think), his tornado move, and then constant light kicks in air.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: khyrox on October 14, 2005, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: "mamonohunter"
I thought the price was going around 50 $ nowadays, but maeby the price is raising. To bad you lost the DC-version Ninja Spirit, it must be very cool to play it online and I dont think the Saturn version is sooo much better (just a little bit) even though I heard people saying it.
Wow, Saturn SFZ3 for $50? I haven't seen anyplace that sells it for that cheap.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: TR0N on October 14, 2005, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: "khyrox"
Quote from: "mamonohunter"
I thought the price was going around 50 $ nowadays, but maeby the price is raising. To bad you lost the DC-version Ninja Spirit, it must be very cool to play it online and I dont think the Saturn version is sooo much better (just a little bit) even though I heard people saying it.
Wow, Saturn SFZ3 for $50? I haven't seen anyplace that sells it for that cheap.
It use to be cheap heck even common.
Then all of a sudden gamers got interested.... when they found out how good of a port it was.
Now the value of "SFZ3 for the Saturn" has jump like crazy.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Ninja Spirit on October 15, 2005, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: "Keranu"
Cody in V-Ism can be VERY powerful. I haven't played fighting games seriously in a long time, but there is that famous combo you can do with V-Ism Cody, something concerning his kick move, followed by a jab (I think), his tornado move, and then constant light kicks in air.
Yeah I got a 3-on-3 Zero3 match with a V-Ism Cody from Japan. He made it through 85% of the video and unfortunately lost to a Ryu. But the guy was beastin' big time. One point there was 90 seconds on the clock, he did the V-Ism combo, and once he got him in the corner, it was Game Over. He juggled his ass with those kicks until the clock ran out. And that's when I said "I got to learn Cody"! Right now I'm starting out with A-Ism. One of the Final Burns I use has the cheat feature so I can turn some cheats on such as P1 infinite gauge and P2 infinite energy and make it into a practice mode
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on October 15, 2005, 12:31:31 PM
V-Ism is such a powerful mode, but it's also very vulnerable. Keep practicing with Cody enough in V-Ism and you'll be sure to have lots of good wins if you can manage not getting hit while you activate V-Ism mode :) . Some other great combo characters are Guy and Gen, but they are very hard to master. When I practiced SFA3 for awhile, I was getting the hang of guy, but I couldn't come close to doing this shit I saw in a V-Ism Guy combo video where he would go on and on against the computer doing this combos that would never stop. It was the most amazing combo video I have ever seen, next to this KoF'98 combo video where they actually showed some infinite combos that are possible in the game. It's amazing because there are only like three known infinite combos in KoF'98 and it is NOT easy to do! It's hard to do just past two hits!
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: TR0N on October 16, 2005, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: "Keranu"
I saw all of those Segata Shanshiro commercials from here (http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_games_commercials.asp) , funny commercial series! That link also has many other commercials for lots of other consoles. My brother recorded most of the commercials on two VHS tapes and we enjoyed watching through all of them.
Agreed if only if SOA could have used him as a mascot here :wink:
To bad that idot, Berine Stoler was runnning SOA at the time.
Saturn in the "worldwide market" was one of the most underated consoles ever made.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: FM-77 on October 19, 2005, 11:17:56 PM
The Saturn's probably my favorite system ever. (On second though. 2nd favorite. The Mega-CD beats the Saturn).
Falcom Classics I and II are my favorite Saturn titles. They are wonderful. :)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Dark Fact on November 27, 2006, 07:07:25 AM
The Sega Saturn was the greatest SEGA console ever made, period, in my opinion. The games that were made for that system were absolutely incredible. Not only did it play off the 3D aspect very well, it also had an excellent variety of 2D games with awesome crisp visuals and music.
The system also had a great variety of anime games like Magic Knight Rayearth, Cutey Honey, and Guardian Heroes.
However, the biggest reason for me to own that system would be for the Langrisser series. Five games of medieval fantasy strategy coupled with excellent Urushihara artwork and mind blowing rocking music. I would so get this system if it had all five games for it.
The Saturn is one of the classic systems I want to own next to the Turbo DUO and PS1. 8)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: GUTS on November 27, 2006, 07:43:04 AM
Yeah the Saturn was amazing, hell Panzer Dragoon 2 is probably my favorite game of all time.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cavein2000 on November 27, 2006, 09:48:54 AM
Right now my Saturn hasn't seen much play but here is a list of games I own.
US Dragon Force Magic Knight Rayearth Shining Wisdom Albert O Guardian Heroes
JP Bubble Symphony Dracula X
Any I should add based on these? I want Keio 2, but can't decide between PAL and JP
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Michael Helgeson on November 27, 2006, 12:13:03 PM
Right now my Saturn hasn't seen much play but here is a list of games I own.
US Dragon Force Magic Knight Rayearth Shining Wisdom Albert O Guardian Heroes
JP Bubble Symphony Dracula X
Any I should add based on these? I want Keio 2, but can't decide between PAL and JP
About all the arcade game 2d fighter ports,except Fatal Fury 3,because somehow they managed to mess that one up,it runs slow. Thunderforce 5,The Parodius,Gradius,and Salamander stuff,Dracula X,Metal Slug,Dungeons and Dragons Collection,Dead or Alive,Last Bronx,Fire Pro 6 Man Scramble,Giant Gram,Golden Axe the Duel,Shinobi Legends,and so many more.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: TR0N on November 27, 2006, 04:23:17 PM
However, the biggest reason for me to own that system would be for the Langrisser series. Five games of medieval fantasy strategy coupled with excellent Urushihara artwork and mind blowing rocking music. I would so get this system if it had all five games for it.
The Saturn is one of the classic systems I want to own next to the Turbo DUO and PS1. 8)
Well you can buy the Langrisser seperately for dirt cheap prices.
Realy it's the boxset that go's for the 'most since it has, all five games plus a nice booklet for it's manual... and it also comes with a phone card.
Btw if you wounder how i know that i have the boxset of it.
If i remember right i'd payed $101.00 for it years ago.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: GUTS on November 27, 2006, 05:59:29 PM
Get the PAL version of Keoi 2 so you can read all the cool shit you unlock as you play the game. Plus the story is hilarious.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cavein2000 on November 28, 2006, 03:33:04 AM
Get the PAL version of Keoi 2 so you can read all the cool shit you unlock as you play the game. Plus the story is hilarious.
Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Dark Fact on November 28, 2006, 07:11:22 AM
Quote from: tron
Well you can buy the Langrsser seperately for dirt cheap prices.
Realy it's the boxset that go's for the 'most since it has, all five games plus a nice booklet for it's manual... and it also comes with a phone card.
Btw if you wounder how i know that i have the boxset of it.
If i remember right i'd payed $101.00 for it years ago.
I'm a sucker for everything Urushihara. I could just go and hunt that box down myself. :D
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Kakizaki on November 29, 2006, 08:27:55 AM
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About all the arcade game 2d fighter ports,except Fatal Fury 3,because somehow they managed to mess that one up,it runs slow. Thunderforce 5,The Parodius,Gradius,and Salamander stuff,Dracula X,Metal Slug,Dungeons and Dragons Collection,Dead or Alive,Last Bronx,Fire Pro 6 Man Scramble,Giant Gram,Golden Axe the Duel,Shinobi Legends,and so many more.
I'm a huge Sega nut - the Saturn probably being my favorite system. Anyway, I figured I would add some more to this list: Soukyugurentai, Saturn Bomberman, Elevator Action Returns, Baku Baku Animal, Battle Garegga, and Kingdom Grand Prix.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: termis on November 29, 2006, 10:09:36 AM
+1 for Saturn fan. Probably one of my favorite systems along with the Duo and the DC. Actually, those 3 are the ones that are hooked up to my livingroom TV. They were all the "underdog" systems during it's lifespan... Hmm.... There's just something to supporting the underdogs, eh?
Being a sega fan, I just liked the Saturn for its Sega-exclusive titles. VF2, Virtual On, Dragon Force, etc...
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Black Tiger on November 29, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
The Saturn will always be the 32-bit PC Engine for me.
Not just because of all the great import niche games and it's underdog status, but also because it's home to games like Tengai Makyo IV, Saturn Bomberman and all those other PCE sequals and ports.
It's more or less my 3rd favorite console(tied'ish with Intellivision) behind Turbo/PCE and SMS/MarkIII.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: T2KFreeker on December 02, 2006, 02:34:06 PM
Hmm, I love my Saturn all. Dead Or Alive was so awesome compared to the Playstation version, I love it. Krazy Ivan was the shit as well. Plus, in the USD, it had an amazing version of Quake, and that is just awesome! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on December 02, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
Hmm, I love my Saturn all. Dead Or Alive was so awesome compared to the Playstation version, I love it. Krazy Ivan was the shit as well. Plus, in the USD, it had an amazing version of Quake, and that is just awesome! :mrgreen:
Lobotamy was an amazing software company and they did fantastic stuff with the Saturn as did Travellers tales with Sonic R.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: T2KFreeker on December 03, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
Hmm, I love my Saturn all. Dead Or Alive was so awesome compared to the Playstation version, I love it. Krazy Ivan was the shit as well. Plus, in the USD, it had an amazing version of Quake, and that is just awesome! :mrgreen:
Lobotamy was an amazing software company and they did fantastic stuff with the Saturn as did Travellers tales with Sonic R.
I agree with you completely. I wish that I knew what in the Hell ever happened to Lobotomy and why nobody seems to use them anymore.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on December 03, 2006, 01:30:06 PM
::Can't beleive I never saw this thread till now::
Dudes, your all right!! I honestly feel that the 'torch' was passed from the Turbo to the Saturn in the US 'Underdog league'. Never got the respect it truly deserved. Massively terrific for importing, while having a nice American list of games, even had Working Design classics being ported as well!
Tons of amazing Shooters and RPG's. Just an overall JAWESOME console. I think its either my 3rd or 4th favorite console of all time. with good company (Turbo, SNES, NES)
Yea, it rules- My fav games would have to be Dragon Force and Panzer Saga. I need to get those games BACK ASAP!!!
Damn stupid for selling those off!!!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: T2KFreeker on December 03, 2006, 02:01:52 PM
Yeah, I have reacently been rebuilding my collection as well. As for the underdog systems I really enjoy, the Turbo, Saturn, 3DO and Jaguar are all favorites of mine. All four of those systems kick ass man!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: termis on December 03, 2006, 04:43:53 PM
Heh, I recently won a lot of 12 defective Saturns on ebay for $15 (though I had to pay $44 for shipping). Of the 12, I got 7 of them working nicely now - simply mixing and matching CD laser assembly unit and power supplies. :dance:
I think I can maybe save 1 or 2 more, but it's time to bust out the soldering iron now, and actually start ripping out the good CD motors...
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Dark Fact on December 03, 2006, 05:35:08 PM
Talk about an outpouring of love for the Saturn! :shock:
Quote from: turbo_sage
::Can't beleive I never saw this thread till now::
Dudes, your all right!! I honestly feel that the 'torch' was passed from the Turbo to the Saturn in the US 'Underdog league'. Never got the respect it truly deserved. Massively terrific for importing, while having a nice American list of games, even had Working Design classics being ported as well!
Tons of amazing Shooters and RPG's. Just an overall JAWESOME console. I think its either my 3rd or 4th favorite console of all time. with good company (Turbo, SNES, NES)
Yea, it rules- My fav games would have to be Dragon Force and Panzer Saga. I need to get those games BACK ASAP!!!
Damn stupid for selling those off!!!
There were plenty of awesome japan Saturn games that never got to see the light over here. I hope the Wii service will offer the Saturn in the future and possibly translate and release the japanese titles here too.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 03, 2006, 06:57:52 PM
Dude is that a typo or a real word? Either way, I love JAWESOME! :)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on December 04, 2006, 03:45:32 PM
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Dude is that a typo or a real word? Either way, I love JAWESOME! Smile
<--CLICK--- listen for the "their jawesome!"
Prolly one of the worst cartoons evar- a bad rip of TMNT and Battletoads, but still super cheesy- and I know Keranu enjoys his Entertainment with a hint of cheese....lol :mrgreen:
TurboSage
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 04, 2006, 03:58:51 PM
Street Sharks Intro theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ru-AdGzsps)<--CLICK--- listen for the "their jawesome!"
Prolly one of the worst cartoons evar- a bad rip of TMNT and Battletoads, but still super cheesy- and I know Keranu enjoys his Entertainment with a hint of cheese....lol :mrgreen:
TurboSage
Haha, I remember Street Sharks but I never really watched it though. I always loved their designs, especially the hammer head! I am going to use JAWESOME more often now!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: TR0N on December 04, 2006, 05:18:39 PM
Dude is that a typo or a real word? Either way, I love JAWESOME! Smile
Street Sharks Intro theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ru-AdGzsps)<--CLICK--- listen for the "their jawesome!"
Prolly one of the worst cartoons evar- a bad rip of TMNT and Battletoads, but still super cheesy- and I know Keranu enjoys his Entertainment with a hint of cheese....lol :mrgreen:
TurboSage
Your forgetting Bucky O' Hare and Biker Mice From Mars.
Realy when TMNT became a hit every body had to have a, hero team of animals :P
Bucky O'Hare Biker Mice From Mars
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 04, 2006, 06:03:33 PM
Your forgetting Bucky O' Hare and Biker Mice From Mars.
Don't talk bad about Buck O'Hare, I loved that show.
... and I miss my rad glow-in-the-dark Bucky O'Hare shoes :( .
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cavein2000 on December 04, 2006, 10:37:25 PM
totally jawsome!!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: guyjin on December 05, 2006, 12:35:20 AM
I love the saturn. It's basically what got me back into console gaming (i was a pc gamer almost exclusively for a few years - mostly 'cuz my brother had a playstation and it sucked)
I only got one after 1998 (when it was 'dead') and i wished I'd gotten it when it was new: Saturn Bomberman is arguably the best Bomberman game ever (and certainly the best 2-d bomberman game ever) Virtual On is the best fighting game ever, and Sonic R is just gorgeous. About the only thing about the Saturn I dislike is their mascot choice (nights never turned me on)
I've yet to pick it up, but I've heard from various sources that the Saturn version of Castlevania: symphony of the night is inferior to the PSX version. Is it true? How can this be! The Saturn was THE 2D system!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: GUTS on December 05, 2006, 06:23:39 AM
They just did a bad job on it, I think they were rushed or had a really small budget or something according to an interview with the head guy I read a while back. There are no transperancies and it suffers from tons of slowdown which really pissed me off when I bought it; the lack of transperancies I could handle, but the slowdown was just too much and ruined the game.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Black Tiger on December 05, 2006, 08:20:33 AM
I love the saturn. It's basically what got me back into console gaming (i was a pc gamer almost exclusively for a few years - mostly 'cuz my brother had a playstation and it sucked)
I only got one after 1998 (when it was 'dead') and i wished I'd gotten it when it was new: Saturn Bomberman is arguably the best Bomberman game ever (and certainly the best 2-d bomberman game ever) Virtual On is the best fighting game ever, and Sonic R is just gorgeous. About the only thing about the Saturn I dislike is their mascot choice (nights never turned me on)
I've yet to pick it up, but I've heard from various sources that the Saturn version of Castlevania: symphony of the night is inferior to the PSX version. Is it true? How can this be! The Saturn was THE 2D system!
The Saturn version smokes the PSX version. The developer did a quick sloppy port, but added some major game fixing features.
The two things that cement the Saturn version as the best are:
1: Speed Boots.
As soon as you clear the first castle, you get an item that actually lets you run. In the PSX version, you have to continue walking slowly for the rest of the game.
2: Third Hand.
In the PSX version, in order to use any item, you have to stop the game and go into the menu screen. Then de-equip your weapon or shield, then equip the item you'd like to use, then go back to the game and use the item, then stop and go back to the menu screen, re-equip your weapon, then return to the game and continue playing (game breaking things like this are why Circle Of The Moon is my fav adventure Castlevania).
In the Saturn version, you have an extra hand that you can equip an item to so you can wait until you actually need it and then just use it without swapping everything around.
I haven't played it in a long time, but I believe that there were some other big gameplay improvements as well.
Some transparencies are missing and other's are replaced with that dithered mesh effect that Viva Pinata uses. If you're still using composite, you might get some rainbow effects, but it doesn't look bad. Unless you also think that most Megadrive & PCE games also look like garbage. Its dissapointing, since the Saturn can do better 2D transparencies than the Playstation.
There's some slowdown during the bigger boss fights and the game doesn't load while walking through loading hallways. But the game still loads reasonably fast if you can handle playing PCE games.
You also get a few new small areas, more music, more items(ie: more garbage), you can play the Richter quest from the get-go and there's a new Maria quest which is also available right away.
Most important off all, you can play the Saturn version with a Saturn pad, but the Playstation version uses those awful PSX pads.
Dude is that a typo or a real word? Either way, I love JAWESOME! Smile
Street Sharks Intro theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ru-AdGzsps)<--CLICK--- listen for the "their jawesome!"
Prolly one of the worst cartoons evar- a bad rip of TMNT and Battletoads, but still super cheesy- and I know Keranu enjoys his Entertainment with a hint of cheese....lol :mrgreen:
TurboSage
Your forgetting Bucky O' Hare and Biker Mice From Mars.
Realy when TMNT became a hit every body had to have a, hero team of animals :P
Bucky O'Hare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b05gFwo9Co Biker Mice From Mars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deI1rTTsZbM
Your forgetting Masters Of The Universe.
Realy when MOTU became a hit after Mattel finally managed to get the anti-toy show law overturned after 30 years of trying, every body had to have a cartoon based on their action figures. :P
The only catch is that there had to be some kind of educational content. Hence the hilarious post episode "knowing is the half the battle" garbage.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 05, 2006, 09:23:54 AM
On the Bucky oHare subject,Bucky was around for a long while before it got a cartoon or toy line. Larry Hama created it in the late 70ies. I think it was published in normal comic book form by Continuity Comics. They were actually pretty good. It wasnt in any way a TMNT clone.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Black Tiger on December 05, 2006, 12:40:18 PM
On the Bucky oHare subject,Bucky was around for a long while before it got a cartoon or toy line. Larry Hama created it in the late 70ies. I think it was published in normal comic book form by Continuity Comics. They were actually pretty good. It wasnt in any way a TMNT clone.
Cool, I never knew that.
One could argue that the toys weren't wholly original, but most real action figures in the 80's weren't, except for GI Joe.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: GUTS on December 05, 2006, 03:13:48 PM
You guys remember that rabbit samurai guy that was crossed with TMNT? I remember he had his own comic and even a game or two (on C64 if I remember right), I think his name was Usage Yojimbo. I always liked him and wondered how he wound up getting cross-licensed with the Turtles.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: TR0N on December 05, 2006, 03:33:47 PM
On the Bucky oHare subject,Bucky was around for a long while before it got a cartoon or toy line. Larry Hama created it in the late 70ies. I think it was published in normal comic book form by Continuity Comics. They were actually pretty good. It wasnt in any way a TMNT clone.
I've herd it was base on a comic book just like tmnt was.
Still it just seem to me every body "had to have" there own animal team.... when tmnt set the way on tv.
Coincidence maybe,maybe not who knows.
Kind of like when "hasbro had a hit" importing transformers.... then tonka toys 'follows suit and berings gobots/machinerobo to the u.s. :-k
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: guyjin on December 06, 2006, 12:49:20 AM
since this has degenerated into a thread about cartoons, here's some intros from my very early childhood (try to date me!)
(pole position... i remember the theme music being better) (dungeons and dragons cartoon) (kidd video - more than enough cheese there for keranu!)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 06, 2006, 08:39:33 AM
since this has degenerated into a thread about cartoons, here's some intros from my very early childhood (try to date me!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj55mHD2Pes&mode=related&search= (pole position... i remember the theme music being better)
Holy crap, I had no clue there was a cartoon for Pole Position! That's totally sweet and that's a really jawesome theme song! I'll have to look for this show.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Black Tiger on December 06, 2006, 09:58:57 AM
On the Bucky oHare subject,Bucky was around for a long while before it got a cartoon or toy line. Larry Hama created it in the late 70ies. I think it was published in normal comic book form by Continuity Comics. They were actually pretty good. It wasnt in any way a TMNT clone.
I've herd it was base on a comic book just like tmnt was.
Still it just seem to me every body "had to have" there own animal team.... when tmnt set the way on tv.
Coincidence maybe,maybe not who knows.
Kind of like when "hasbro had a hit" importing transformers.... then tonka toys 'follows suit and berings gobots/machinerobo to the u.s. :-k
Hey c'mon, Go-Bots are kinda like the K-Mart Transformers. :P
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 06, 2006, 10:07:03 AM
Anyone remember ZBots? I really loved those little things when I was a kid, my favorites were the hockey player and the Johnny 5 rip off.
(http://m2museum.com/Zbots/dcp_0076.jpg)
(http://m2museum.com/Zbots/dcp_0061.jpg)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: TR0N on December 06, 2006, 02:37:51 PM
On the Bucky oHare subject,Bucky was around for a long while before it got a cartoon or toy line. Larry Hama created it in the late 70ies. I think it was published in normal comic book form by Continuity Comics. They were actually pretty good. It wasnt in any way a TMNT clone.
I've herd it was base on a comic book just like tmnt was.
Still it just seem to me every body "had to have" there own animal team.... when tmnt set the way on tv.
Coincidence maybe,maybe not who knows.
Kind of like when "hasbro had a hit" importing transformers.... then tonka toys 'follows suit and berings gobots/machinerobo to the u.s. :-k
Hey c'mon, Go-Bots are kinda like the K-Mart Transformers. :P
If ya mean generic i know what ya mean.
Still it's a shame we got burn on the gobots cartoon from hanna barbera.
Check it's jpn counter part machine robo.
Btw you be the judge. MachineRobo Gobots
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Black Tiger on December 06, 2006, 03:09:56 PM
On the Bucky oHare subject,Bucky was around for a long while before it got a cartoon or toy line. Larry Hama created it in the late 70ies. I think it was published in normal comic book form by Continuity Comics. They were actually pretty good. It wasnt in any way a TMNT clone.
I've herd it was base on a comic book just like tmnt was.
Still it just seem to me every body "had to have" there own animal team.... when tmnt set the way on tv.
Coincidence maybe,maybe not who knows.
Kind of like when "hasbro had a hit" importing transformers.... then tonka toys 'follows suit and berings gobots/machinerobo to the u.s. :-k
Hey c'mon, Go-Bots are kinda like the K-Mart Transformers. :P
If ya mean generic i know what ya mean.
Still it's a shame we got burn on the gobots cartoon from hanna barbera.
Check it's jpn counter part machine robo.
Btw you be the judge. MachineRobo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0qNOW4gtyE Gobots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLWl83CzhA
I mean like since god created man and man created The Transformers. Then The Transformers are like, a gift from God!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: guyjin on December 06, 2006, 03:11:15 PM
Honestly, they could have called the show anything, because other than driving, pole position the game and pole position the cartoon have nothing in common. :?
I also vaguely remember pretending that the cars from pole position were transformers.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: termis on December 06, 2006, 05:00:44 PM
Changing the topic to Saturns for a bit, but...
Is there a good forum for Sega saturns, (like this one for TG16/PCE's)? If you know any, please share!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 06, 2006, 05:36:32 PM
I've been wondering that myself for awhile, and could never find a good Saturn forum.
(Sorry for going off-topic and talking about the Saturn in this thread. Please don't BAN me!)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 06, 2006, 06:15:16 PM
Muchachos kick your ass, Muchachos kick your face, Muchachos kick your balls into OUTERSPACE!
And that is why Short Circuit is the ultimate Keranu film.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 07, 2006, 11:01:45 AM
I love the Short Circuit films. As much as I love the first one for it's 80's-ness, I have to say I like the second one a little more because it's just really good :mrgreen: .
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2006, 03:00:18 PM
I love the Short Circuit films. As much as I love the first one for it's 80's-ness, I have to say I like the second one a little more because it's just really good :mrgreen: .
Crap, I haven't seen those movies since they were out. I totally enjoyed them. There was some hit pop song I liked as well ("Hey Johnny, she said, and smiled in her special way...you know I love you") that was in those films, right?
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 07, 2006, 03:05:26 PM
I like the Weird Al version of that song:
"Heeeere's Johnny, he said and laughed in his special way"
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2006, 03:19:50 PM
"Heeeere's Johnny, he said and laughed in his special way"
Crap, I don't recall that version, but I might have heard it if Dr. Demento played it on his show :).
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: termis on December 07, 2006, 05:38:24 PM
Ah... Short circuit. That was good fun. What was that line - "Nice software!"
But I'm wondering if it's my nostalgia getting to me. I recently started to watch Goonies, and fun as it was when I was child, it wasn't that good now... I couldn't finish it. 8-[ Hmm...
Oh, and sorry for constantly throwing in the Saturn in the conversation topic, but if anyone needs one, hit me up. I got tons of working ones now. Out of the batch of 12 defective ones I initially had, I got - - 8 working (though 1 was really jerry-rigged - but I left in on for an hour, and it seemed to chug on fine...), - 1 just needs a good power supply, - and 2 extra spare working laser assemblies for future.
Not a bad score, I say...
And a moment of silence to the 3 Saturns that I chucked in the dumpster. :-({|= (2 with faulty video chips, 1 with a just bad motherboard which I couldn't figure out why it wasn't working)
Yeah, and the gray one is a mixture of a Japanese and a US shell... I had to mix those things up (a bad lid on the Jp one)! I gotta say the black buttons look sharper than the blue ones, though... (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o90/thumpin_termis/DSC01672.jpg)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Keranu on December 07, 2006, 06:00:16 PM
Well done! And I like the case mixes you did.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 08, 2006, 01:32:38 AM
since this has degenerated into a thread about cartoons, here's some intros from my very early childhood (try to date me!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj55mHD2Pes&mode=related&search= (pole position... i remember the theme music being better) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRQ9RZ-0_3U (dungeons and dragons cartoon) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQS1cgsEdU (kidd video - more than enough cheese there for keranu!)
Pole Position always reminded me of Mask. I watched all those cartoons,used to have the D&D action figures too.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 12, 2014, 02:18:30 AM
With recent talk about Saturn games I resurect this tread.
This is in effort to keep from making more duplicate threads.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: vexcollects on September 12, 2014, 07:03:10 AM
BOOSH! Damn straight you are. Now, who has Nascar 97 for the Saturn? It is the s%^t. Or, wait....it is s^%t.
Seriously though... here's a question, which version of Symphony of the Night (PS1/Saturn) is better (if we can measure such a thing)?
The Saturn version has slowdown in spots, is missing transparency effects, has actual spots where it sits and loads in addition to the rooms connecting the different wings of the castle. It has Maria and Richter playable from the start and two areas added on both the regular and reverse version of the castle. Overall the Saturn version is quite a bit worse IMO.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on September 12, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
BOOSH! Damn straight you are. Now, who has Nascar 97 for the Saturn? It is the s%^t. Or, wait....it is s^%t.
Seriously though... here's a question, which version of Symphony of the Night (PS1/Saturn) is better (if we can measure such a thing)?
The Saturn version has slowdown in spots, is missing transparency effects, has actual spots where it sits and loads in addition to the rooms connecting the different wings of the castle. It has Maria and Richter playable from the start and two areas added on both the regular and reverse version of the castle. Overall the Saturn version is quite a bit worse IMO.
yup also there are music remixes, few extra rooms and weapons, There are 18 new enemies and 2 new bosses. You also get a 3rd equip and Alucard can dash. plus a 6th familiar.
Some enemies have new death animations which are taking advantage of the Saturn's sprite rotation, scaling capabilities.
The cd if you pop it into a pc you can view some Symphony of the Night artwork scans.
Yes it is inferior to the PSX version but I would advise you to pick it up if you just want to complete your castlevania collection. It is a good game in it's own right but inferior.
Ah... Short circuit. That was good fun. What was that line - "Nice software!"
But I'm wondering if it's my nostalgia getting to me. I recently started to watch Goonies, and fun as it was when I was child, it wasn't that good now... I couldn't finish it. 8-[ Hmm...
Oh, and sorry for constantly throwing in the Saturn in the conversation topic, but if anyone needs one, hit me up. I got tons of working ones now. Out of the batch of 12 defective ones I initially had, I got - - 8 working (though 1 was really jerry-rigged - but I left in on for an hour, and it seemed to chug on fine...), - 1 just needs a good power supply, - and 2 extra spare working laser assemblies for future.
Not a bad score, I say...
And a moment of silence to the 3 Saturns that I chucked in the dumpster. :-({|= (2 with faulty video chips, 1 with a just bad motherboard which I couldn't figure out why it wasn't working)
Yeah, and the gray one is a mixture of a Japanese and a US shell... I had to mix those things up (a bad lid on the Jp one)! I gotta say the black buttons look sharper than the blue ones, though... (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o90/thumpin_termis/DSC01672.jpg)
I am really fussy, I did at some point have 4 sega saturns now just 2.
japanese white one with box and UK model modded to multi regional (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m113/secretsociety1/82cacd55f6b54e589cce01294b079a4a.jpg)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: vexcollects on September 13, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
Here's a good one. I was playing my Saturn this evening (Action Replay cart inserted to allow me to play import Layer Section). Then I turned it off to switch to Detana Twinbee. I walked away for 10 minutes, came back and popped the game in. Turned on the console and it would no longer read the disk. Tried more disks, but would not read any. Removed the Action Replay cart and tried a US game (Bug)....still nothing. The message on the screen was something like, detecting format of disk.
As I walked away dejected I was searching for a solution on Google. Some dude on some forum advised to unscrew the top of the case off of the Saturn and then it will work again. Absolutely not believing that this could make any difference since I am a tech for a living and it just made no sense, I tried it anyway. Guess what? Worked. The console works fine again. I put the screws back in place and played for the next hour with no issues.
WTF? I sat and pondered this ridiculousness for a while and I still can't figure it out. How in the hell does removing the top of the case reset or fix anything? Maybe turning it upside down did something.
I'm just happy it is working again. Maybe it is a temporary fix for something worse, but I'll take it for now. :D
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: MrBroadway on September 14, 2014, 05:46:59 AM
Not exactly sure, but it could be a problem with the laser mechanics? Something gets jammed, unscrewing it loosens it? I haven't taken apart my Saturn in a few years, so it's a dumb guess.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: xelement5x on September 14, 2014, 08:50:40 AM
It could also have been a problem with the lid sensor. If the dashboard was just saying 'please close door' it might have gotten futzed in some way. I've also had times where it would read the disc, then I realized I hadn't pushed it all the way down onto the spindle, derp...
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: ctophil on September 15, 2014, 11:31:33 AM
I had to buy the Sega Saturn due to being stuck in the 16-bit era for 4 years. I was ready for the next-gen. Boy was I ready. So I jumped out and bought the system in May 1995 (it was only available at Babbages/EB Games and Toys R' Us)--2 months before the mainstream launch date in September. So I bought one of the first 30,000 units that came out. Hehe. I had my system. So I didn't care about the Playstation after it launched the same year. Everybody was talking about Playstation and later the N64. The Saturn was the "loser" to most people, but not to me. :-)
It cost $400, very expensive at the time. But who cares, I was making money by working at the grocery store, and it was all mine! Haha. The launch lineup was Shinobi Legions, Bug!, and Daytona USA. It was a terrible lineup. But I bought it anyways. This shows that a system launch hype can make people buy things.
But anyways, I really enjoyed the Saturn. To me as far as "underdog" consoles go, the Sega Saturn is my second favorite system next to the Turbografx-16. The Sega Saturn was very similar to the Turbografx-16. It had some really cool titles, and could do nice 2d graphics. Coming out of the SNES time period, I preferred 2d over 3d (I still do). I love the RPGs on that thing, such as Albert Odyssey, Grandia, Dragon Force, Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Shining Force 3. In Japan, there were a huge amount of fighting games that came out utilizing the RAM expansion cartridge. The Saturn was really good at 2d, but really hard to program for due to its twin 32-bit CPUs.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: vexcollects on September 15, 2014, 04:24:51 PM
The Saturn was really good at 2d, but really hard to program for due to its twin 32-bit CPUs.
I had read in the book, "Service Games", that the Saturn was hard to program for because Sega didn't deliver developer tools to the developers until the console had already been released and that by the time the developers received any tools, things were already starting to look grim. I believe there was also a comment in this book from Sega rep who mocked the developers that were having a hard time programming because they were not as talented as the Sega developers. This is not word for word of course, just the story points I can recall. I enjoyed the book. Maybe give it a read if you are interested.
I had read in the book, "Service Games", that the Saturn was hard to program for because Sega didn't deliver developer tools to the developers until the console had already been released and that by the time the developers received any tools, things were already starting to look grim. I believe there was also a comment in this book from Sega rep who mocked the developers that were having a hard time programming because they were not as talented as the Sega developers. This is not word for word of course, just the story points I can recall. I enjoyed the book. Maybe give it a read if you are interested.
The problem had a lot more to do with the fact that the only way to get good performance out of the Saturn was to write everything in assembler which is far more tedious and time consuming than is writing it in a more modern language. The Playstation had very functional development kits that allowed you to write in C language and potentially get 90+% of the resources out of the hardware. Because of the convoluted hardware design of the Saturn, writing something in a C based development kit led to a huge amount of overhead and code that didn't run as efficiently leading to a significant performance drop.
The problem wasn't necessarily the developer tools so much as it was the Saturn was a complicated design that made it more difficult to properly optimize than it needed to be.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 16, 2014, 03:08:47 AM
Current Saturn library. Not pictured JP Import Dugen Drangs.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Azzurri on September 16, 2014, 04:23:01 AM
I never got into Saturn, but I did pick one up about 10 years ago? I think I got the system CIB with like 6 games or so.
Still have it in my basement, I actually think I have some rares titles too, which I got all for like $50.
I was tho a HUGE Dreamcast fan, to this day I have like 4 systems, 3 US and 1 JP, and I don't remember why I have so many.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: pulstar on September 16, 2014, 05:24:48 AM
Magic Knight Rayearth and Guardian Heroes are awesome games. Soon enough the price of Saturn games will be so high you'll have to trade a Magical Chase just to get a Panzer Dragoon Saga... :(
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: ctophil on September 16, 2014, 10:01:42 AM
The Saturn was really good at 2d, but really hard to program for due to its twin 32-bit CPUs.
I had read in the book, "Service Games", that the Saturn was hard to program for because Sega didn't deliver developer tools to the developers until the console had already been released and that by the time the developers received any tools, things were already starting to look grim. I believe there was also a comment in this book from Sega rep who mocked the developers that were having a hard time programming because they were not as talented as the Sega developers. This is not word for word of course, just the story points I can recall. I enjoyed the book. Maybe give it a read if you are interested.
The problem had a lot more to do with the fact that the only way to get good performance out of the Saturn was to write everything in assembler which is far more tedious and time consuming than is writing it in a more modern language. The Playstation had very functional development kits that allowed you to write in C language and potentially get 90+% of the resources out of the hardware. Because of the convoluted hardware design of the Saturn, writing something in a C based development kit led to a huge amount of overhead and code that didn't run as efficiently leading to a significant performance drop.
The problem wasn't necessarily the developer tools so much as it was the Saturn was a complicated design that made it more difficult to properly optimize than it needed to be.
That is very true. I didn't program for the Saturn. But I did a little bit for the Playstation using the Net Yaroze (Hobbyist development kit for Playstation). And I have to say that the PS1 was much easier, although I was a C++ programmer, but studying C wasn't too hard. After reading developer comments about the Saturn, I stayed clear away. Not only what you said was true, but the twin 32-bit processors were a pain to balance between them. You can't let one CPU do less work than the other. You had to have them both work like as if they were a single processor. And Assembly is ugly if you had to use that most of the time on Saturn. For those who don't know, Assembly is closer to machine language, meaning the syntax is easier for the computer to understand (and faster code) than the human programmer. This makes it hard for you to see the bugs than the C language.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 16, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
Magic Knight Rayearth and Guardian Heroes are awesome games. Soon enough the price of Saturn games will be so high you'll have to trade a Magical Chase just to get a Panzer Dragoon Saga... :(
Not sure what the current price is for Saga. Will most likely buy rhe import as it's dirt cheap.
Was bidding on a Elevator Action Returns but had a flat (right after my interview) and by the time I got it changed and now waiting at discount tire the auction ended and at a good price $78 bucks free shipping. Sigh. Got snipered and wasn't able to counter before it ended.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on September 16, 2014, 11:15:35 AM
Hmm, I love my Saturn all. Dead Or Alive was so awesome compared to the Playstation version, I love it. Krazy Ivan was the shit as well. Plus, in the USD, it had an amazing version of Quake, and that is just awesome! :mrgreen:
Lobotamy was an amazing software company and they did fantastic stuff with the Saturn as did Travellers tales with Sonic R.
I agree with you completely. I wish that I knew what in the Hell ever happened to Lobotomy and why nobody seems to use them anymore.
If only I kept my old UK issues of The official sega saturn magazine.
This is one of the interviews with Ezra Dreisbach, a Lobotomy Programmer and creator of Death Tank !! it's a little grim reading tho...
Not sure what the current price is for Saga. Will most likely buy rhe import as it's dirt cheap.
The going rate in the UK is around £150-£200. JP PDS is very cheap. Lots of guides about as well. I'm sure there was some special code you have to put in the action replay import converter cart to get it working correctly. Not a problem if you got a region modded or JP Saturn though.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on September 17, 2014, 01:21:38 AM
Not sure what the current price is for Saga. Will most likely buy rhe import as it's dirt cheap.
The going rate in the UK is around £150-£200. JP PDS is very cheap. Lots of guides about as well. I'm sure there was some special code you have to put in the action replay import converter cart to get it working correctly. Not a problem if you got a region modded or JP Saturn though.
the game OST has become pretty expensive too. I love the music on both Zwei and Saga by composer; Saori Kobayashi. I plan on playing crimson dragon too although the game itself has been criticized for apparently being too rudimentary for today's game standards...
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: xelement5x on September 17, 2014, 04:54:07 AM
Not sure what the current price is for Saga. Will most likely buy rhe import as it's dirt cheap.
The going rate in the UK is around £150-£200. JP PDS is very cheap. Lots of guides about as well. I'm sure there was some special code you have to put in the action replay import converter cart to get it working correctly. Not a problem if you got a region modded or JP Saturn though.
the game OST has become pretty expensive too. I love the music on both Zwei and Saga by composer; Saori Kobayashi. I plan on playing crimson dragon too although the game itself has been criticized for apparently being too rudimentary for today's game standards...
It's odd you say that. A dude on the Facebook group local to me just found a brand new copy of the Azel soundtrack in a Denver thrift. So weird...
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on September 17, 2014, 05:55:39 AM
It's odd you say that. A dude on the Facebook group local to me just found a brand new copy of the Azel soundtrack in a Denver thrift. So weird...
also a lil' jealous the music on there is amazing. I just wish there was a sound option to listen to it in the actual game but the effects of the dragon flapping it's wings can be heard constantly....
there only a few redbook audio tracks on the game CD's but it's the stuff generated by the sound chip is what I love...
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on September 17, 2014, 07:26:29 AM
a great system forsure for aecade ports like many people already know! the Japanese games were great for snk ports and shmups from what i heard. one shmup I really want to pick uo for the Japanese Saturn is battle garegga! its pricy but hopefully I can get a good deal on it. can anyone recommend me any more japanese shmups? thanks!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on September 17, 2014, 07:54:30 AM
Sengoku Blaede Soukyugurentai Kingdom Grand Prix <Although I didn't really like this game> Game paradise Sexy Parodius Jikkyou Osharberi parodius Batsugun Dondonpachi layer section Twinkle star sprites strikers 1945 strikers 1945 II gunbird Radiant Silvergun Cotton 2 Cotton Boomerang Gradius Deluxe pack Detana Twin Bee yahoo! Deluxe pack Salamander Deluxe pack plus Thunderforce V Thunderforce gold pack 1 & 2 Hyper Duel Blast Wind Shienryu Sonic Wings Special Image fight and X-multiply Guardian Force Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronbo Kanpekiban DonPachi Metal Black Gun Frontier 3 wonders Darius 2 Darius Gaiden Fantasy Zone Galaxy Force Gekirindan in the hunt Layer Section II skull fang Kyukyoku Tiger II Plus panzer dragoon Panzer Dragoon Zwei Sol Divide Konami Antiques MSX Collection Steam Heart’s Cho Aniki Space Invaders Macross: Do You Remember Love? Terra Cresta 3D metal slug silhouette mirage stellar assualt purika daisakusen
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 17, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
In the hunt is SO on my list
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 17, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
The Saturn port is loaded with slowdown. It's actually quite a bit better on Playstation despite the Saturn's reputation as being a superior 2D system.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 17, 2014, 10:35:39 AM
The Saturn port is loaded with slowdown. It's actually quite a bit better on Playstation despite the Saturn's reputation as being a superior 2D system.
I have heard the same thing and I do like that teh PS version saw a US release and long box. I just wish the box art was as good as the JP version
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on September 17, 2014, 02:57:08 PM
I forgot to add to that list:
Assualt Suit Leynos 2
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on September 17, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
Sengoku Blaede Soukyugurentai Kingdom Grand Prix <Although I didn't really like this game> Game paradise Sexy Parodius Jikkyou Osharberi parodius Batsugun Dondonpachi layer section Twinkle star sprites strikers 1945 strikers 1945 II gunbird Radiant Silvergun Cotton 2 Cotton Boomerang Gradius Deluxe pack Detana Twin Bee yahoo! Deluxe pack Salamander Deluxe pack plus Thunderforce V Thunderforce gold pack 1 & 2 Hyper Duel Blast Wind Shienryu Sonic Wings Special Image fight and X-multiply Guardian Force Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronbo Kanpekiban DonPachi Metal Black Gun Frontier 3 wonders Darius 2 Darius Gaiden Fantasy Zone Galaxy Force Gekirindan in the hunt Layer Section II skull fang Kyukyoku Tiger II Plus panzer dragoon Panzer Dragoon Zwei Sol Divide Konami Antiques MSX Collection Steam Heart’s Cho Aniki Space Invaders Macross: Do You Remember Love? Terra Cresta 3D metal slug silhouette mirage stellar assualt purika daisakusen
HOLY SHIT! lol gotta love the saturn! thanks dude!!!!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cjameslv on September 30, 2014, 03:55:08 AM
It's an amazing system! It got my vote on the last poll. Just remember to grab up a action replay 4 plus and your set for playing all the import games etc no mods needed. I run a 2nd gen with the updated controllers. Great catalog of games, especially Jap releases will keep you playing for a long time!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Mzo on September 30, 2014, 10:01:11 AM
In the Hunt sucks on the Saturn. Not only is it riddled with slowdown, it's also buggy.
The PS version is ridiculously good, though.
All the Konami shooters also display at the wrong resolution because they're weird. The Saturn can't do their native resolution, but the PS can. Just in case anyone cares about that.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 30, 2014, 11:00:33 AM
In the Hunt sucks on the Saturn. Not only is it riddled with slowdown, it's also buggy.
The PS version is ridiculously good, though.
All the Konami shooters also display at the wrong resolution because they're weird. The Saturn can't do their native resolution, but the PS can. Just in case anyone cares about that.
I do
I still need to put this long box PS game on my buy it now list.......still looking on ebay for a "decent" price....
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: vexcollects on October 01, 2014, 01:42:59 AM
I've sunk about 9 hours into Dragon Force in the last 3 days. What an amazing game (after the 30 minute read through of the manual). I love trying to recruit captives and when they reject your invite. Your character says something like, "that's just rotten". I get a kick out of that. Rally beautiful game through the xrgb mini.
I actually bought a second Saturn recently in case I have any issues with the first. Paid $35. Not a bad deal.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 01, 2014, 05:23:33 AM
I've sunk about 9 hours into Dragon Force in the last 3 days. What an amazing game (after the 30 minute read through of the manual). I love trying to recruit captives and when they reject your invite. Your character says something like, "that's just rotten". I get a kick out of that. Rally beautiful game through the xrgb mini.
I actually bought a second Saturn recently in case I have any issues with the first. Paid $35. Not a bad deal.
Yeah I am loving that Saturn's are so far dirt cheap.
Can usually find (on ebay of all places) a Saturn w/contoller, action replay and two (decent) games for around $45-60 bucks.
I need to pick up a spare Saturn (for backup) while they are still dirt cheap.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 01, 2014, 05:29:16 AM
I've sunk about 9 hours into Dragon Force in the last 3 days. What an amazing game (after the 30 minute read through of the manual). I love trying to recruit captives and when they reject your invite. Your character says something like, "that's just rotten". I get a kick out of that. Rally beautiful game through the xrgb mini.
I actually bought a second Saturn recently in case I have any issues with the first. Paid $35. Not a bad deal.
Yeah I am loving that Saturn's are so far dirt cheap.
Can usually find (on ebay of all places) a Saturn w/contoller, action replay and two (decent) games for around $45-60 bucks.
I need to pick up a spare Saturn (for backup) while they are still dirt cheap.
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: vexcollects on October 01, 2014, 06:51:10 AM
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on October 01, 2014, 01:33:42 PM
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
oh my japanese saturn has stopped spinning discs....might try that later
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: esadajr on October 09, 2014, 02:33:04 AM
I'd say is in a similar situation as the PCE. It is a great import system, many games don't require you to know japanese to be enjoyed. And just like with the PCE you can never have enough games / consoles.
I just hate when people call it "underrated", because you know what that typically means.
I probably should say it is a horrible system with bad games and don't even look at it.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 09, 2014, 02:52:13 AM
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
I've seen a few develop problems. Power supplies die, lasers get weak just playing regular discs, and most obviously cartridge slot problems.
The cartridge slot problem is partly due to use of third party carts that lack the tapered edge of first party carts and have a tendency to bend the pins in the cart slot out of position with repeated use failing to make contact for functionality (particularly RAM). I have a bunch fo Saturns and wore out quite a few over the years due their poor design.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 09, 2014, 03:11:10 AM
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
I've seen a few develop problems. Power supplies die, lasers get weak just playing regular discs, and most obviously cartridge slot problems.
The cartridge slot problem is partly due to use of third party carts that lack the tapered edge of first party carts and have a tendency to bend the pins in the cart slot out of position with repeated use failing to make contact for functionality (particularly RAM). I have a bunch fo Saturns and wore out quite a few over the years due their poor design.
But with the cartige slot. Wouldn't you have lottle/no reason to take you action replay or other similar cartridge out once installed?
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: esadajr on October 09, 2014, 04:27:12 AM
[ But with the cartige slot. Wouldn't you have lottle/no reason to take you action replay or other similar cartridge out once installed?
So, the Action Replays/GameSharks don't act as "Live" Memory Cards. You can only copy and edit your data using the menu within the action replay. You can't save directly to the card. Some third party memory cards require the menu too, some are seen just like a regular first party card.
If I want a card that I can save directly to from a game, I need to use something different than a 4 in 1 action replay. Now some memory cards have "live" functionality and act as an import convertor. Some don't. Also, there's things like the netlink someone might want to use. Oh, and depending on the age of your action replay or game shark it may have compatibility issues with certain games using the RAM. And a few games (for example US Panzer Dragoon Saga) won't boot if the Action Replay is detected.
Added in edit: There's also King of the Fighters that has ROM data. The fact that I may want to copy saves from one Saturn to another, thus needing to remove the cart. The main reason it's a problem for me is the internal memory is limited and I like having a "Live" card that the system can manage via the memory manager and I can save to within games. The Action Replay can't do that.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 09, 2014, 05:11:50 AM
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
I've seen a few develop problems. Power supplies die, lasers get weak just playing regular discs, and most obviously cartridge slot problems.
The cartridge slot problem is partly due to use of third party carts that lack the tapered edge of first party carts and have a tendency to bend the pins in the cart slot out of position with repeated use failing to make contact for functionality (particularly RAM). I have a bunch fo Saturns and wore out quite a few over the years due their poor design.
But with the cartige slot. Wouldn't you have lottle/no reason to take you action replay or other similar cartridge out once installed?
I had to when I was playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, it wouldn't load if I didn't (as someone else already stated). Might be better off getting another Saturn just to play games that whine at you if you have a action replay unit installed.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 09, 2014, 06:45:24 AM
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
I've seen a few develop problems. Power supplies die, lasers get weak just playing regular discs, and most obviously cartridge slot problems.
The cartridge slot problem is partly due to use of third party carts that lack the tapered edge of first party carts and have a tendency to bend the pins in the cart slot out of position with repeated use failing to make contact for functionality (particularly RAM). I have a bunch fo Saturns and wore out quite a few over the years due their poor design.
But with the cartige slot. Wouldn't you have lottle/no reason to take you action replay or other similar cartridge out once installed?
I had to when I was playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, it wouldn't load if I didn't (as someone else already stated). Might be better off getting another Saturn just to play games that whine at you if you have a action replay unit installed.
You have PD Saga. Nice. Also jealous.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: TheNeck on October 09, 2014, 08:10:31 AM
Sengoku Blaede Soukyugurentai Kingdom Grand Prix <Although I didn't really like this game> Game paradise Sexy Parodius Jikkyou Osharberi parodius Batsugun Dondonpachi layer section Twinkle star sprites strikers 1945 strikers 1945 II gunbird Radiant Silvergun Cotton 2 Cotton Boomerang Gradius Deluxe pack Detana Twin Bee yahoo! Deluxe pack Salamander Deluxe pack plus Thunderforce V Thunderforce gold pack 1 & 2 Hyper Duel Blast Wind Shienryu Sonic Wings Special Image fight and X-multiply Guardian Force Bokan to Ippatsu! Doronbo Kanpekiban DonPachi Metal Black Gun Frontier 3 wonders Darius 2 Darius Gaiden Fantasy Zone Galaxy Force Gekirindan in the hunt Layer Section II skull fang Kyukyoku Tiger II Plus panzer dragoon Panzer Dragoon Zwei Sol Divide Konami Antiques MSX Collection Steam Heart’s Cho Aniki Space Invaders Macross: Do You Remember Love? Terra Cresta 3D metal slug silhouette mirage stellar assualt purika daisakusen
some many shmups to try, which are your guys favorite top 10?
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: geise on October 09, 2014, 02:00:43 PM
Top 10 for me in no particular order:
Galactic Attack/Layer Section Batsugun Darius Gaiden Thunder Force V Shienryu Soukyugurentai Salamamder Deluxe Pack Donpachi Kingdom Grandprix Gunbird
As much as I loved Radiant Silvergun back in the day I find myself playing these a lot more. Also Twinbee Yahoo almost made mylist.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on October 09, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
i think its a great system, lots of awesome arcade ports! and the import Saturn had some great snk ports!
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on October 09, 2014, 06:01:10 PM
it's a great system although I haven't touched it in aaaages. Most of the stuff is sitting in cardboard boxes. I take them out once in a while to get some fresh air :o
I kinda regret selling keio flying squadron (uk version), USA Magic Knight Rayearth and Albert Odyssey legend of Eldean. They had great music tho.. (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m113/secretsociety1/my consoles/P1020295.jpg)
I also used to own: Mystaria: The Realms of Lore aka riglord saga/blazing heroes, but I find it a little dated now.
it's a great system although I haven't touched it in aaaages. Most of the stuff is sitting in cardboard boxes. I take them out once in a while to get some fresh air :o
I kinda regret selling keio flying squadron (uk version), USA Magic Knight Rayearth and Albert Odyssey legend of Eldean. They had great music tho.. (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m113/secretsociety1/my consoles/P1020295.jpg)
I also used to own: Mystaria: The Realms of Lore aka riglord saga/blazing heroes, but I find it a little dated now.
I'll be honest with you, I have had my Saturn for years and haven't really had any issues other than the cart slot being wonky every once in a while with the action replay unit. Unless of course you mod it to play "backups" Saturns are pretty well built.
I had problems with my original already. Wouldn't spin disks. Took the case off as suggested in a forum, put it back, and it worked again (so dumb..makes no sense). Thought it might be a sign of worse things to come, so I strung for an extra. Have to keep doing a copy of my saved data to the Action Replay too, just in case.
I've seen a few develop problems. Power supplies die, lasers get weak just playing regular discs, and most obviously cartridge slot problems.
The cartridge slot problem is partly due to use of third party carts that lack the tapered edge of first party carts and have a tendency to bend the pins in the cart slot out of position with repeated use failing to make contact for functionality (particularly RAM). I have a bunch fo Saturns and wore out quite a few over the years due their poor design.
But with the cartige slot. Wouldn't you have lottle/no reason to take you action replay or other similar cartridge out once installed?
I had to when I was playing Panzer Dragoon Saga, it wouldn't load if I didn't (as someone else already stated). Might be better off getting another Saturn just to play games that whine at you if you have a action replay unit installed.
You have PD Saga. Nice. Also jealous.
Yeah I got it February for $150, poor guy couldn't sell it for his asking price.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 10, 2014, 06:26:07 AM
Oh really? A action replay wont work. Or does it have to do more with voltage or tv resolution that makes some pal games get all wonky on a NTC tv
Two problems one is display. Also, no an action replay won't work.
As previously stated on the last page of posts and then reiterated by "BigusSchmuck" the game actively checks to see if you're using an Action Replay or GameShark and will not let you load the game if it detects it in the system.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: bartre on October 11, 2014, 06:03:53 AM
i've never had any problems using an AR to get my euro copy of Keio 2 to load up properly. hell of a game :)
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 11, 2014, 06:39:31 AM
i've never had any problems using an AR to get my euro copy of Keio 2 to load up properly. hell of a game :)
Yeah, Euro Keio 2 displays properly on an NTSC TV. Panzer Dragoon Saga (at least the Western versions) seem to specifically check for GameSharks, Action Replays and even third party memory cartridges which while seen by the system memory manager are unusable in the game.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: bartre on October 11, 2014, 06:46:48 AM
in my experience, the only memory cards that could be seen by the games themselves were the official sega ones. every other card i've ever tried required a save, reset to the system menu, and then copy the data to the memory card.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: whisper2053 on October 11, 2014, 08:40:04 AM
in my experience, the only memory cards that could be seen by the games themselves were the official sega ones. every other card i've ever tried required a save, reset to the system menu, and then copy the data to the memory card.
The Innovation 8meg cart can be saved to directly in-game (and, conveniently, functions as an import enabler as well...)
(http://www.classicgameroom.com//images/Main_Image/cache/Innovation 8 Meg Memory Card - Sega Saturn.jpg)
in my experience, the only memory cards that could be seen by the games themselves were the official sega ones. every other card i've ever tried required a save, reset to the system menu, and then copy the data to the memory card.
The Innovation 8meg cart can be saved to directly in-game (and, conveniently, functions as an import enabler as well...)
(http://www.classicgameroom.com//images/Main_Image/cache/Innovation 8 Meg Memory Card - Sega Saturn.jpg)
I have a pair of third party cards that the internal memory manager can see and that can save directly. With that said one of the two is an Interact brand card and I have a seemingly identical card from the outside that requires all saving via a menu that pops up when turning the machine on. The other one I have with direct saving capaibility is an EMS brand card.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: Digi.k on December 15, 2014, 07:16:12 PM
someone's top 50 shmup list
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: HailingTheThings on December 15, 2014, 09:32:18 PM
I really don't like lists that are in videos, I would much rather see an actual written out list so I can pick out ones I may have never heard of to look into.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: synbiosfan on February 04, 2015, 02:02:55 PM
We've been going off topic in teh "what did you buy today"-thread so I'm bumping this :P
The Saturn's cart slot is made poorly so this is common. Not many options, clean everything and try again repeatedly. There's a multi region bios you can have installed too. Or buy JP Saturn with cart issues.
Tell me more of this multi region bios. Where might I buy one??
Contacting one of the modders there is your best bet as I'm having trouble finding things.
Title: Re: Sega Saturn
Post by: xelement5x on February 05, 2015, 03:04:21 AM
Db_elec also did a mod and writeup about changing the save memory so that it doesn't die when the battery does. http://www.db-elec.com/home/lab-posts/segasaturninternalmemorymodwithfram-nobatteryrequired
Though I think he said he was unsure if it was the save or the real time clock that drains the battery.
Title: Sega Saturn
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 05, 2015, 05:14:07 AM
PS1.
EDIT: dang, there I go again. I need to figure out the thing I keep falling for...