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Title: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: bartre on March 29, 2011, 05:22:03 PM
Well, thanks to MGC i grabbed an arcade card duo for myself, and can finally play Sapphire! however, i feel bad just having this card for one game, so i want them all! I've got sapphire, and fatal fury 2, i need the rest, anyone got any? I'd like them to have the case and manual, spine card will not affect me either way.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: RR1980 on March 29, 2011, 07:16:44 PM
you should also check out those SCD games that have enhanced graphics/gameplay if you play them with an arcade card although I think alot of time just means less load time tho
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: Opethian on March 30, 2011, 01:31:59 AM
I only recall Popful Mail supposedly having faster load times with an Arcade card but I couldnt tell the difference.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: incrediblehark on March 30, 2011, 02:42:38 AM
If you're looking for the complete set of Arcade CD-Rom² games, I took the time to compile a list for you :)
* - Game is Super CD-Rom² / Arcade CD-Rom² Enhanced
3x3 Eyes Sanjiyan Hensei* Brandish* Eikan Ha Kimi Ni - Koukou Yakyuu Zenkoku Taikai* Fire Pro Female Wrestling - Zenjo VS JWP Formation Soccer 95 - della Serie A* Garou Densetsu 2 Garou Densetsu Special Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire J. League Tremendous Soccer '94* Janshin Densetsu - Quest Of Jong Master Linda³ (Linda Cube)* Mad Stalker - Full Metal Force Madou Monogatari - Hono No Sotsuengo Magical Fantasy Adventure Popful Mail* Mahjong Sword - Princess Quest Gaiden* New Japan Pro Wrestling Battlefield '94 Princess Maker 2* Private eye dol* Ryuuko No Ken Sexy Idol Mahjong Fashion Monogatari* Sotsugyou II - Neo Generation* Strider Hiryuu Super Real Mahjong P. II & III Custom* Super Real Mahjong P.V Custom* Tanjou Debut* Tengai Makyou Far East Of Eden Kabuki Itouryodan World Heroes 2 Wrestle Angels Double Impact*
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: vestcoat on March 30, 2011, 06:40:30 AM
Mad Stalker is on ebay for a reasonable $18 right now.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: bartre on March 30, 2011, 04:41:48 PM
This dude? (http://shop.ebay.com/me4taki9oh/m.html?_nkw=pc+engine&_sacat=0&_odkw=&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313)
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: SuperDeadite on April 06, 2011, 03:06:18 AM
Private Eye Dol is way better with the Arcade card, really cuts out the character portrait load times. Makes the game flow a lot faster and smoother. Oh and Private Eye Dol is awesome, but very Japanese heavy.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 06, 2011, 04:41:20 AM
Has anyone figured out what advantages Popful Mail has with the arcade card? It has the logo on the case.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: vestcoat on April 06, 2011, 06:13:17 AM
Has anyone figured out what advantages Popful Mail has with the arcade card? It has the logo on the case.
All of those SCD/ACD games are really just SCD games. It was a marketing strategy. Using them with the ACD doesn't do anything.
Edit: Correction - Vasteel 2 will report the presence of an Arcade Card in its peripheral boot check. Otherwise it does nothing.
Edit: There was some debate about this subject years ago. Some argued that 3x3 Eyes had a slightly improved frame rate when played with an ACD, but, IIRC, that too was debunked. The only benefit of the ACD is being able to play the twelve, dedicated ACD games.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 06, 2011, 06:18:28 AM
Has anyone figured out what advantages Popful Mail has with the arcade card? It has the logo on the case.
All of those SCD/ACD games are really just SCD games. It was a marketing strategy. Using them with the ACD doesn't do anything.
Edit: Correction - Vasteel 2 will report the presence of an Arcade Card in its peripheral boot check. Otherwise it does nothing.
Edit: There was some debate about this subject years ago. Some argued that 3x3 Eyes had a slightly improved frame rate when played with an ACD, but, IIRC, that too was debunked. The only benefit of the ACD is being able to play the twelve, dedicated ACD games.
3x3 eyes was debunked? LOL There's a vid (Black Tiger ?) on YT that shows MASSIVE differences with the arcade card.
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Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: vestcoat on April 06, 2011, 06:27:52 AM
:oops: I just found that and was about to post the link. Sorry
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 06, 2011, 08:05:50 AM
All of those SCD/ACD games are really just SCD games. It was a marketing strategy. Using them with the ACD doesn't do anything.
Edit: Correction - Vasteel 2 will report the presence of an Arcade Card in its peripheral boot check. Otherwise it does nothing.
Edit: There was some debate about this subject years ago. Some argued that 3x3 Eyes had a slightly improved frame rate when played with an ACD, but, IIRC, that too was debunked. The only benefit of the ACD is being able to play the twelve, dedicated ACD games.
Perhaps I'm mistaken but didn't 3x3 eyes have different FMV with the arcade card in?
Check this video, I think there is a side by side of it being played with and without the arcade card at about 7 Minutes and 25 seconds.
BTW I'm not recommending the video, there's tons of bad facts in it. Just using it as a side by side.
Added in edit: Oops my bad other people found this before I did.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 06, 2011, 09:59:36 AM
3x3 Eyes doesn't have any FMV in it. You must think you are on the Sega CD forum. :)
As for differences, it's true that the AC does little to nothing on most of the games that have both ACD and SCD logos, but there are a few verifiable upgrades in ACD mode that I can think of.
3x3 Eyes: Night and day. In fact, this game might just be the ultimate ACD tech demo.
Gulliver Boy: I don't know what the deal is but the back page of the manual mentions something.
Flash Hiders: IIRC one character gets a voice sample added to his win pose. It's really pathetic.
Popful Mail: I thought it did something, but I can't remember. I don't have this game.
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: akamichi on April 07, 2011, 05:22:08 PM
I don't remember 3x3 Eyes being different on ACD vs SCD outside of the intro movie. But then again, it was a while ago and I never played through the entire game.
Emerald Dragon uses the ACD only as a buffer for the last area you were in. At least, that's what it seems like. So if you go from a town to a dungeon, the game would load from the disc as usual, but when you leave the dungeon to go back to the town, the game would pull data from the ACD (or disc in case of SCD).
Also, Asuka 120% uses the ACD to preload data. Makes the flow of the game much nicer. You need to put in a code as the CD loads in order to activate it. Don't remember it off the top of my head though. Something like hold left+I+run or something. The beginning of this video shows what happens:
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: Bonknuts on May 02, 2011, 04:57:34 PM
3x3 Eyes doesn't have any FMV in it. You must think you are on the Sega CD forum. :)
As for differences, it's true that the AC does little to nothing on most of the games that have both ACD and SCD logos, but there are a few verifiable upgrades in ACD mode that I can think of.
3x3 Eyes: Night and day. In fact, this game might just be the ultimate ACD tech demo.
Gulliver Boy: I don't know what the deal is but the back page of the manual mentions something.
Flash Hiders: IIRC one character gets a voice sample added to his win pose. It's really pathetic.
Popful Mail: I thought it did something, but I can't remember. I don't have this game.
Gulliver Boy uses it to cut down on load times, IIRC. It's been a number of years since I looked at the game in the debugger. I do know that it uses arcade card memory as a buffer for the huvideo instead of main ram. Maybe that's what cuts out the load times (it doesn't erase the game code to use as buffer). And, maybe the AC card smooths any hickups on the real system for the huvideo (since it buffers a lot).
Title: Re: WTB: Arcade card games
Post by: majors on May 03, 2011, 04:33:26 AM
Bartre has Sapphire, done deal imo. Everything else is icing, don't feel bad for having the ACD for just one game.
Side note, I picked up Battlefield for a $1 and Kabuku for free, so you will find something in you budget eventually...system is 20 years old, just be patient.