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Title: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 25, 2011, 10:08:46 AM
Alright, rather than having the videos posted sometimes in the "What are you watching on Youtube" thread and sometimes in the "Joe Redifer Reviews Presents" thread (and sometimes cross-posted between the two), they can all go here.

Here is the channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/MrGameSack) if you are interested in subscribing or doing any of that nonsense.

And here is the latest episode:


Guess who will be the first to point out any games we missed?  That's right, it will be YOU!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 25, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
No, Return of the Ninja/Ninja Hayate. No Ninja Combat for Neo-Geo. No Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for Genesis or SNES. Oh and Ninja Warriors for SNES wasn't mentioned either. Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on July 25, 2011, 02:34:14 PM
I haven't watched it yet, but if you wasted time mentioning the awful port of Ninja Warriors for the Duo I'll be upset.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 25, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
Geez, I hate explaining myself even when I already did in the video.  Affordable game systems!  No Neo Geo, no CD systems.  People seem to like complaining about what we missed more than ANYTHING.  Seriously, it is the one predictable thing about our viewers. Sorry, but there's no way we can cover every game.  We don't own every game.  If this upsets you, please do not watch.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on July 25, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
OK, I've had a chance to watch it, and you didn't even mention the Duo version of Ninja Warriors. Great job!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 25, 2011, 07:05:28 PM
I understand the Duo version hatred, but I am not a fan of ANY version of that game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 25, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
I didn't see the video yet (due to the werk), but is ninja spirit in there? (hehe, love to ask redundant questions).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: RR1980 on July 25, 2011, 08:57:44 PM
isn't neo geo 24 bit?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 25, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
No, in fact it is a multiple of that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 26, 2011, 12:28:10 AM
Lol, joe is turning more an more into a ron perlman.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 26, 2011, 03:27:53 AM
Geez, I hate explaining myself even when I already did in the video.  Affordable game systems!  No Neo Geo, no CD systems.  

I guess "affordable" is relative. Maybe "Entry level" would have been the better term. Anyway, you asked for ones that were missed in the video. Considering that, expect those kinds of replies.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 26, 2011, 06:00:52 AM
Great vid Joe!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 26, 2011, 09:48:22 AM
Actually I didn't ask, I said that people would let us know.  I asked them to send us the games if they wanted to see them covered.  We can only cover games we have, yet people are very quick to point out "You missed this, you missed that".  That's why I said what I did in the video.  It is very disconcerting when we hear that.  How are we supposed to respond to that?  I think, after this comment right here, I will completely ignore any "You missed this, that and the other thing" comments because we simply can't go back and add them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 26, 2011, 10:13:38 AM
You missed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time for the SNES
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 26, 2011, 10:18:48 AM
You missed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time for the SNES

I think I just heard Joe throwing his computer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 26, 2011, 10:32:25 AM
You missed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time for the SNES

I think I just heard Joe throwing his computer.

You missed 3 Ninja's Kick Back for the SNES
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 26, 2011, 10:33:15 AM
No, I've already been told I'm missing those elsewhere.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on July 26, 2011, 10:37:52 AM
I hate it when a$$holes give feedback.... but you forgot Kaze Kiri - Ninja Action.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 26, 2011, 11:27:18 AM
You missed Joe & Mac Caveman Ninja for both Super NES and Sega Genesis
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 26, 2011, 11:34:16 AM
Actually I didn't ask, I said that people would let us know.  I asked them to send us the games if they wanted to see them covered.  We can only cover games we have, yet people are very quick to point out "You missed this, you missed that".  That's why I said what I did in the video.  It is very disconcerting when we hear that.  How are we supposed to respond to that?  I think, after this comment right here, I will completely ignore any "You missed this, that and the other thing" comments because we simply can't go back and add them.

I thought by the
"Guess who will be the first to point out any games we missed?  That's right, it will be YOU!"
that you were inviting us to name the titles of Ninja games on 16-bit systems that you missed.

Added in edit: BTW this is the first of your videos I've ever seen and I enjoyed it and watched the whole thing. So nice job!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 26, 2011, 12:52:39 PM
Thanks.  I don't mean to be an a$$hole to anybody and I'm sure nobody who is telling me what games I am missing is intending any malice.  But I am a perfectionist and when I hear about games that SHOULD have been included (like Kaze Kiri and Ninja Warriors, I suppose), I get pissed because they really should be in there. Strider and 3 Ninjas not-so-much.  I would have never even thought of Joe & Mac, where does one search for these things (like the word "ninja" with only 16-bit era games as the result)?  But I did let Dave talk me into Mystical Ninja.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 26, 2011, 01:09:05 PM
Thanks.  I don't mean to be an a$$hole to anybody and I'm sure nobody who is telling me what games I am missing is intending any malice.  But I am a perfectionist and when I hear about games that SHOULD have been included (like Kaze Kiri and Ninja Warriors, I suppose), I get pissed because they really should be in there. Strider and 3 Ninjas not-so-much.  I would have never even thought of Joe & Mac, where does one search for these things (like the word "ninja" with only 16-bit era games as the result)?  But I did let Dave talk me into Mystical Ninja.



The ones I mentioned I named off the top of my head. I'm guessing you could do a GameFaqs.com search by platform and find them that way, but it would do titles only.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 26, 2011, 01:17:44 PM
And what's about good old NINJA gaiden? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on July 26, 2011, 04:32:37 PM
I'm pretty sure they mentioned that, and said it just wasn't different enough from the NES version to bother including.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: RR1980 on July 26, 2011, 06:40:41 PM
they totally forgot Kaze Kiri on the pce!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 26, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
I also made sure to pronounce Ninja Gaiden both ways to please all of the fans: Gay-den and Guy-den.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: rag-time4 on July 27, 2011, 06:32:35 PM
Havent yet seen the vid, but im disappointed to hear ninja combat wasnt included. It was the first neo geo game i played. Im assuming that games like magician lord werent included, even though you can play as a ninja.

Joe, how about a followup focusing on samurai games!

By the way Joe, i love your show! Havent had the pc on much lately so i have fallen a little behind.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 27, 2011, 07:02:06 PM
That's basically the reason I said "affordable systems of the time" in the video because Ninja Combat immediately came to my mind and I do not have that game.  I want to feature more Neo Geo stuff, but my pickin's are pretty slim.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 27, 2011, 08:37:15 PM
I want to feature more Neo Geo stuff, but my pickin's are pretty slim.

That's all because you are a too nice guy and give 'em away for free. Now you have it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 01, 2011, 10:33:34 AM
Latest episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on August 01, 2011, 11:19:10 AM
"Awww, crap fish!  Throw it back!"   :lol:

3DO, Virtual Boy, and the Jaguar but no PC-FX; too bad you guys didn't have one of those to talk about.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 01, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
I know, I wish we did.  It looks comfortable from what I can see.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on August 01, 2011, 04:04:16 PM
The PC-FX pad is super comfortable, but the D-Pad feels really funky and.... stiff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on August 01, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
I know, I wish we did.  It looks comfortable from what I can see.

You should try to convince someone to trade their PC-FX for your Jag.
"it has twice as many bits! and almost twice as many buttons on the controller! And it's made in America, so you know it's high-quality!"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 02, 2011, 07:57:13 AM
The PC-FX pad is super comfortable, but the D-Pad feels really funky and.... stiff.

So it's similar to the Avenue 6-pad.?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 02, 2011, 10:39:40 AM
Not my Jag.  I borrowed that controller from someone local.  Please note that I borrowed JUST the controller!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on August 02, 2011, 12:12:38 PM
The PC-FX pad is super comfortable, but the D-Pad feels really funky and.... stiff.

So it's similar to the Avenue 6-pad.?

Its almost identical to the Duo RX pad actually.  Its not that bad, but its not as good as a good old regular Duo pad.


Also, maybe I should send Game Sack a Laseractive to sample :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 02, 2011, 12:31:51 PM
And sample it I would.  Man I'd love to feature that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on August 02, 2011, 12:57:39 PM
And sample it I would.  Man I'd love to feature that.

It might be worth the shipping each way to make it happen :D  I'm not sure when my next trip out to Colorado will be, but probably sometime in the next year, could do it then.

They can be shipped for around $25 each way.  If I find myself with an extra $50 or so, it might be worth it to do just that :D

Edit:  One problem... good luck fitting a Laseractive in a sack... you'll need a 55 gallon bag or maybe a pickup truck or something.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 02, 2011, 03:17:04 PM
I shall PM you (I'm willing to pay half of the shipping).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 02, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
I should've sent you my Hori Digital Pad for the GameBoy Player, Joe. I think even you would enjoy the look and feel of one of these. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: RR1980 on August 02, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
if beamer is gonna drop off the LA in person why not have him on camera to do the review with since he's the expert/ambassador of the LA! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on August 02, 2011, 06:51:40 PM
The PC-FX pad is super comfortable, but the D-Pad feels really funky and.... stiff.

So it's similar to the Avenue 6-pad.?

The d-pad of the PC-FX/Duo RX controller is pretty much unusable compared to regular PCE pads and the buttons aren't as responsive and don't feel nearly as nice. It's fine for turn based RPGs and digital comic adventures and such, but it sucks for action games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on August 02, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
The PC-FX pad is super comfortable, but the D-Pad feels really funky and.... stiff.

So it's similar to the Avenue 6-pad.?

Its almost identical to the Duo RX pad actually.  Its not that bad, but its not as good as a good old regular Duo pad.


Right. But don't get the Duo RX pad confused with the Avenue 6 pad. While the PC-FX pad and the Duo RX pad are the same thing, the Ave 6 is completely different. The D-Pad on an Ave 6 is more or less the same as a standard Duo Pad.

The PC-FX pad is super comfortable, but the D-Pad feels really funky and.... stiff.

So it's similar to the Avenue 6-pad.?

The d-pad of the PC-FX/Duo RX controller is pretty much unusable compared to regular PCE pads and the buttons aren't as responsive and don't feel nearly as nice. It's fine for turn based RPGs and digital comic adventures and such, but it sucks for action games.

I agree with most of this stuff, except the part about the action buttons. I've never had a problem with those, but that D-Pad has some serious issues.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on August 03, 2011, 08:27:47 AM

I agree with most of this stuff, except the part about the action buttons. I've never had a problem with those, but that D-Pad has some serious issues.

I don't have a problem with the buttons either, only the d-pad. The buttons just aren't as nice as standard PCE pads, which are my favorite of all time. It just seemed like a step backward at the time. If only the PC-FX used a PCE style connection. I image that you could probably swap out or rewire a PC-FX cable into an Ave 6 pad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 07, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
Latest episode:


Enjoy!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 07, 2011, 10:07:07 PM
Nice, that Game so goes me on the Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 08, 2011, 05:07:13 AM
That's the funniest vid yet guys! I lol'd hard when you were trying to put that PS1 RR into its PlayStation.

Road Rash on the 3DO is my favorite of the series just because Soundgarden is featured on the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 08, 2011, 05:43:28 PM
Joe I hope you know I was kidding with the comment I made on your latest vid.  :mrgreen:

On another note; just where are my games Joe? Last time I tracked it it was in Sri Lanka. Never ship media mail!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 08, 2011, 07:42:38 PM
I put "Matt Turner" on the "To" part of the address.  Are you saying that wasn't good enough?  More information is required?  I put "Game Sack" as the return address so it should come back and I can resend.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 08, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
I put "Matt Turner" on the "To" part of the address.  Are you saying that wasn't good enough?  More information is required?  I put "Game Sack" as the return address so it should come back and I can resend.

I was lucky to get Viewpoint back when the package was sent to "Mathius's NEO GEO" with a SEGA sticker in the "return address" area. [-(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Starfighter on August 10, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
We have never had a game store like that, I am made of jealous.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 14, 2011, 10:23:12 PM
Here is the latest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 15, 2011, 06:28:38 AM
Here is the latest episode:

Arcade vs Console: Fantasy Zone and Earth Defense Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQmjptxy0lE)


Great vid Pie Face. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 15, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Here is the latest episode:

Arcade vs Console: Fantasy Zone and Earth Defense Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQmjptxy0lE)


Great vid Pie Face. :)


lol, LIKE
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on August 15, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
nice vid
makes me want to compare my Mahou Daisakusen FMT vs PCB
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 15, 2011, 11:57:05 PM
ok, watched now about every episode and there sure is some cool stuff to see. great work so far and highly entertaining :)

the turbografx16 episode has about 10x more watches than the average rest. sure we all know why that so is. and some uberpoor comments in there as well :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 16, 2011, 11:19:11 AM
Aren't Youtube comments supposed to be of low quality?  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 24, 2011, 10:31:21 PM
The newest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 25, 2011, 12:31:27 AM
Fren :)

and I so loved the awaited mention of the FC Contra's chip implant, which made the game IMO a good bit better :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 25, 2011, 02:49:45 AM
The newest episode:

Sidescrolling Run n Guns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwyzcOj6YpE)


That was great Joe!  I love the Nintendo/Sega arguments.  it's so true tho- My friends and I always go back n' forth on what is better: Contra III or Gunstar Heroes!  I usually chime in with "Screw both, I like Shockman better!"

:) can't wait till the next one!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 25, 2011, 04:44:32 AM
Joe, what's the deal with games like Realm for the SNES? Did it have a US release?

I was really hoping you would do a Run 'n Gun episode! :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 25, 2011, 05:21:25 AM
I like Shockman better!"


Yeah, I was hoping to see at least part 3 in that sack. but no :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 25, 2011, 09:51:57 AM
Yeah, not sure why they didn't release that here.  Also, sorry about showing the ROM hack for that game, it's all I could find and Dave's actual Japanese version hasn't arrived yet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 05, 2011, 10:06:03 AM
Latest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 05, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
Latest episode:

Wonder Boy and Adventure Island (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fom-TkLgS0I)


Just curious if either of you were familiar with the Famicom port of Wonder Boy in Monster Land. Saiyūki World it has even more extreme sprite changes and such than any of the Hudson ports, but it's a licensed version of the same game.
Title: Re: Game Hack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 05, 2011, 02:04:34 PM
I will so watch this when am homey :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on September 05, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
I love the Wonderboy games so much, it's a shame I never played them when they were current.

Joe, I'm curious, ridiculous anal stretching price aside, do you like the Genesis Monster World or Dynastic Hero better? I haven't played either one for any significant amount of time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 05, 2011, 03:39:09 PM
That's really hard to say.  Both play identically so you really can't go wrong.  That said, I'm not very fond of the music replacements in Dynastic Hero.  Some of it is pretty good, but the majority of it just doesn't seem appropriate to a Monster World type of game.  But Dynastic Hero does have slightly better colors in a few spots, but lacks parallax scrolling.

Dan, no I haven't heard of it.  I was considering including some of the Tec Toy spite hacked Monica versions (or whatever they're called), but decided against it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 05, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
As for me DH has one of the best Soundttrack on the System. Not so much surpricing anymore, after knowing who's responsible for it, which is no less a figure than Mr. Nick Wood himself (composer of famous gate of thunder BGMs).

This alone makes me to want to play this game over and over again, while I rarely touched the MD version in the past 15 years.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 05, 2011, 06:04:05 PM
Really really great vid joejoe! You-Tube finally has a great vid comparing the two series. Bravo! I wouldn't mind having the Master System port of Monster World but somehow his sword is even shorter than usual. Good luck hitting enemies in that one.

Monster World IV is a definite goal of mine. Seeing as I am equipped to play Mega Drive games now MWIV would make a great first import.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 05, 2011, 06:26:34 PM
Quote
wouldn't mind having the Master System port of Monster World but somehow his sword is even shorter than usual.
That's because the Master System isn't powerful enough to have a longer sword.  :)  But seriously, that is why I am crouching and stabbing most of the time during the video segments of the SMS version because that extends your range.

Tats, I'll give the music another listen on its own.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 05, 2011, 07:01:09 PM
Monster World IV is a definite goal of mine. Seeing as I am equipped to play Mega Drive games now MWIV would make a great first import.

If you want to get MWIV there are repros of it with the fan translation on it.
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?224401-High-quality-Genesis-reproductions-available
I been thinking about getting the game myself since i'm supose to be getting a,genesis again soon.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 06, 2011, 04:33:13 AM
Monster World IV is a definite goal of mine. Seeing as I am equipped to play Mega Drive games now MWIV would make a great first import.

If you want to get MWIV there are repros of it with the fan translation on it.
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?224401-High-quality-Genesis-reproductions-available
I been thinking about getting the game myself since i'm supose to be getting a,genesis again soon.


Wow! Thanks for the link! A lot of goodness there. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 06, 2011, 10:48:23 AM
very nice Joe!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on September 06, 2011, 11:28:47 AM
I have a MW4 repro, and as much as I love the other Wonderboy games, MW4 just shits all over them, it's THAT good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 11, 2011, 10:30:41 PM
Latest episode:


Enjoy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on September 12, 2011, 03:09:50 AM
Sunsoft games had some legendary music!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 13, 2011, 06:16:13 AM
I REMEMBER THAT BATMAN GAMEBOY GAME! I used to play it somewhere...it could have been at Walmart. Or, maybe it was the Nintendo World Championships that came to I Indy bitd. I can't remember.

Thanks for highlighting the music in the Genesis version. It truly is one of Sunsoft's crowning achievements.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on September 13, 2011, 04:02:30 PM
Sunsoft has a knack for great music regardless of platform.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 13, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
Sunsoft has a knack for great music regardless of platform.

They certainly did! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 13, 2011, 05:39:50 PM
Well, until they let western developers start making their games.  Aero the Acrobat, Blaster Master 2, Revenge of the Joker etc etc all had crappy-ass music.

Another Sunsoft game that has fantastic music is Superman on the Genesis which most people overlook because it is a Superman game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 13, 2011, 06:11:37 PM
Well, until they let western developers start making their games.  Aero the Acrobat, Blaster Master 2, Revenge of the Joker etc etc all had crappy-ass music.

Another Sunsoft game that has fantastic music is Superman on the Genesis which most people overlook because it is a Superman game.

Was Revenge of the Joker an NES game? If so it had an excellent ending theme that you must here!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 13, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
You're right, it is.  And it's light years ahead of the Genesis version and even the unreleased SNES version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 14, 2011, 03:42:54 AM
Return of the Joker was the NES title, which was developed by the same exact team that did the original NES Batman.

Never confuse that game with the shit-fest Revenge of the Joker that Sunsoft released for the genny.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on September 14, 2011, 07:38:05 AM
f*ck

I was at a local store that actually has NES stuff, picked up a NES and some cheapie games I didn't have. When the guy was pulling them out of the case I named the titles I wanted, but there was one that I had seen earlier that I couldn't remember. It was Batman!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 25, 2011, 08:33:39 PM
Ah, here we go. Latest episode!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 26, 2011, 12:29:09 AM
I so hope Rastan is in there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on September 26, 2011, 01:09:34 AM
For what it's worth, Rastan Saga III was quite good (though totally different type of game).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 26, 2011, 02:58:22 AM
those were really good selections Joe!  Good stuff!!  I can't wait for the next episode!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 26, 2011, 07:45:16 AM
Love them comparison shots joejoe! The 32X version of Space Harrier was surprisingly accurate.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: UglyJoe on September 27, 2011, 03:40:55 PM
Wow, good stuff.  Gonna have to work my way through the archives sometime.

The "Tetris 2" released outside of Japan is actually "Tetris Flash", more of a spinoff than an actual sequel.  The real sequel was "Tetris 2 + Bombliss", which is actually pretty awesome and a game I definitely consider a worthy sequel. 

The "Tetris 2" portion of the game is the same mechanics of Tetris, but with an extra mode.  The "Bombliss" portion is a spinoff where you have to make bombs and try to clear the entire board.  It was released by itself for the Gameboy outside of Japan as "Tetris Blast". 

It's got a battery backup so you don't lose your hi scores or your progress through the puzzle mode of Bombliss.  The music is also grade A stuff, composed by Koichi Sugiyama of Dragon Quest/Warrior fame.

Yeah, though, Tetris Flash sucks something awful.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 02, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
A follow-up to last week's episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on October 04, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
another awesome episode. Though now I wanna know your thoughts on Hang-On vs. Super Hang-on. Kids with plague be damned.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 04, 2011, 05:46:59 PM
another awesome episode. Though now I wanna know your thoughts on Hang-On vs. Super Hang-on. Kids with plague be damned.

Lol I second that! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on October 05, 2011, 02:37:37 PM
I'm appalled you didn't mention the SGX version of GnG.

You're probably going to say it's too obscure or something like that. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 05, 2011, 03:17:02 PM
I'm appalled you didn't mention the SGX version of GnG.

You're probably going to say it's too obscure or something like that. :)

YEAH! :-$
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 05, 2011, 03:18:55 PM
I'm appalled you didn't mention the SGX version of GnG.

You're probably going to say it's too obscure or something like that. :)

I'm just happy there was no mention of the awful Super Slows 'n' Ghosts :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 05, 2011, 03:44:19 PM
I like how all the sequels on the snes were called super, even in 99% of all cases the game was inferior to its prequel :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 09, 2011, 09:53:57 PM
I'm appalled you didn't mention the SGX version of GnG.

You're probably going to say it's too obscure or something like that. :)


All I could do is mention it because I don't have the game and I don't have the SuperGrafx.  I don't want to mention a game I can't show.  You want to see SuperGrafx games?  Send me a SuperGrafx.  I know, I know, I should just buy one.  Once I find a way to hook it up to my TurboGrafx CD so I can get RGB and s-video out of the thing, I will (because my video mod is in the TG CD interface unit).  Someone make me an adapter cable!

Latest episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on October 10, 2011, 07:21:58 PM
I'm appalled you didn't mention the SGX version of GnG.

You're probably going to say it's too obscure or something like that. :)

All I could do is mention it because I don't have the game and I don't have the SuperGrafx.  I don't want to mention a game I can't show.  You want to see SuperGrafx games?  Send me a SuperGrafx.  I know, I know, I should just buy one.  Once I find a way to hook it up to my TurboGrafx CD so I can get RGB and s-video out of the thing, I will (because my video mod is in the TG CD interface unit).  Someone make me an adapter cable!

You could probably hack up a RAU-30 to do the job. I know the RAU-30 won't fit into the TG-CD interface as-is, but I'm fairly certain you could modify/ruin that end of it and make it work.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 10, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
I doubt I could.  Someone else, maybe.  But not me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on October 11, 2011, 06:25:08 PM
I believe it's just a matter of cutting the plastic away enough on the RAU-30 to allow the plug to fit into the TG-CD interface socket. There shouldn't be any modification needed on the actual electronic components or port itself.

I no longer have a TG-CD interface to verify that, but I seem to remember that's the conclusion I came to.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 11, 2011, 06:39:56 PM
I believe it's just a matter of cutting the plastic away enough on the RAU-30 to allow the plug to fit into the TG-CD interface socket. There shouldn't be any modification needed on the actual electronic components or port itself.

I no longer have a TG-CD interface to verify that, but I seem to remember that's the conclusion I came to.

That would be an interesting looking system!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 16, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
Newest episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on October 16, 2011, 07:45:06 PM
Good call on Mortal Kombat.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on October 17, 2011, 01:19:08 AM
As usual - good stuff Joe!  I actually halfway enjoyed the Original Bubsy on SNES.  I remember owning the Jaguar version of Bubsy 2, and couldn't believe how awful it was.....  And that was 64-bit!!!!  O_O
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on October 17, 2011, 03:25:01 AM
I remember owning the Jaguar version of Bubsy 2, and couldn't believe how awful it was.....  And that was 64-bit!!!!  O_O

Now that's just silly. Of course the Jaguar version was awesome, it was 64 BIT! Do the math.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 17, 2011, 03:43:38 AM
As usual - good stuff Joe!  I actually halfway enjoyed the Original Bubsy on SNES.  I remember owning the Jaguar version of Bubsy 2, and couldn't believe how awful it was.....  And that was 64-bit!!!!  O_O

That wasn't Bubsy 2, Bubsy 2 was a different game. The Jaguar one is Bubsy Fractured Furrytales.

Also, if you can't believe how bad that game was, try Bubsy 3D :-D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on October 18, 2011, 02:14:09 PM
Ah, Jeopardy! Awesome game show, awful video game.

You didn't mention how small the pool of questions is; I got repeat questions the first time I played. Blech.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on October 21, 2011, 06:53:05 PM
The latest episode.  It's so scary that it's guaranteed to leave permanent stains in your underwear or you get a full refund!

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Post by: Mathius on October 21, 2011, 07:40:52 PM
Demon's Crest!  :shock: I still need to get that game especially since I have been playing Gargoyle's Quest II on the NES for the past week.

...and yes you f'ed up because you didn't even hint at Mutant League Football on the Jag. Shame on you! :-$ :P

Still thanks for playing my favorite track from SOTN at the end of the show.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 21, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Don't thank me, thank Mr. Bones for playing it.
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Post by: guyjin on October 23, 2011, 05:24:29 AM
I've never heard of mr. bones, but it must be pretty awful if you single it out for criticism over Friday the 13th and Dr. Jekyll!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 23, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
I didn't single it out.  The Nintendo guy did because it was a Sega game.  I think that goes over most people's heads.
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Post by: Tatsujin on October 24, 2011, 03:53:15 AM
Hahaha @ the end. This is Awesome.

Btw. didn't I miss the part when Drac X showed up?

Btw. mkII. Mr. bones is that silly skelleton in the back ground when the awesome SotN BGM was played.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 24, 2011, 04:43:01 AM
Hahaha @ the end. This is Awesome.

Btw. didn't I miss the part when Drac X showed up?

Btw. mkII. Mr. bones is that silly skelleton in the back ground when the awesome SotN BGM was played.

Haha yeah poor Joe and his uncanny ability to be horribly unlucky. As for Mr. Bones? Yes, I believe that was the timeframe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on October 24, 2011, 05:23:13 AM
I'm finding it a bit redundant to sing the same praises to your vids her and on the youtube videos, so I'll just say the exact opposite of what I said on yt, to keep you honest-

Terrible episode, easily my least favorite thus far.  You two should quit life altogether.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 24, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
I'm finding it a bit redundant to sing the same praises to your vids her and on the youtube videos, so I'll just say the exact opposite of what I said on yt, to keep you honest-

Terrible episode, easily my least favorite thus far.  You two should quit life altogether.

Yeah! That "Nintendo" guy has to go!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 24, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
lol, who is that profoundly unobeying nintendo guy anyway?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on October 24, 2011, 02:21:16 PM
I have to say, I actually really enjoy Game Sack. The episodes are generally all just the right length, the music selection is great, and the games covered are just the sorts of things I might pick.

A breath of fresh air compared to the dime-a-dozen guy-in-his-basement "This is, uh, Super Mario Bros... It's a pretty cool game I think..." reviews that seem to be all over YouTube.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 24, 2011, 03:01:25 PM
I have to say, I actually really enjoy Game Sack. The episodes are generally all just the right length, the music selection is great, and the games covered are just the sorts of things I might pick.

A breath of fresh air compared to the dime-a-dozen guy-in-his-basement "This is, uh, Super Mario Bros... It's a pretty cool game I think..." reviews that seem to be all over YouTube.

Completely agree!

Honestly I really do like both you guys. You offset one another very well kinda like Abbott was the antithesis of Costello. ...only you're less black and white.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 24, 2011, 03:11:16 PM
Racist!
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Post by: Tatsujin on October 25, 2011, 01:18:32 AM
Gamesack is ubergood. the most I like are the plain but fine mini jokes, which are scatterd all over the shows.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
Latest show:

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Post by: Mathius on October 31, 2011, 04:59:45 PM
Such a good episode! I has hopping up and down when the Thunder Force portion of the show was nearing. ...Love that series!

...the air conditioner joke was full of laughs too.
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Post by: roflmao on October 31, 2011, 05:21:42 PM
Great episode.  Next time you guys do an episode on shmups (lol, I just got a little bit dumber) maybe you can do Gradius and Star Soldier?  Those are two great series.  Or maybe R-type... I never realized how many games were in that series.
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Post by: nectarsis on October 31, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
I liked this one...some solid game choices.  I also agree a Gradius/Soldier episode would be very cool.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on October 31, 2011, 07:44:20 PM
We definitely want to do R-Type.  In fact we were going to do it in this episode and had to pull out because of how many games there are.  We put Cotton in instead.  Gradius is another one we'd like to do and Star Soldier as well but acquiring them may be a bit difficult as I only have Super Star Soldier.  I don't think Dave has Final Soldier.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 31, 2011, 08:01:26 PM
How about a Compile episode?
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Post by: SuperDeadite on November 01, 2011, 12:26:47 AM
Nice vid, but I recommend you spend a good chunk of time with Cotton 2.  It's the most complicated game in the series, and the gameplay footage shown of it totally failed to show what makes it so awesome (the capture-chaining system).
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Post by: Opethian on November 01, 2011, 12:36:02 AM
ah R-Type most ruthless check points ever!
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Post by: SuperDeadite on November 01, 2011, 12:58:39 AM
ah R-Type most ruthless check points ever!

R-Type II you mean.  The other games really aren't that bad.  Besides the infamous Stage 7 Checkpoint, the rest of R-Type 1 is totally doable.  I never understood why R-Type gets all the "evil checkpoint" talk, Gradius games are far worse IMO. ;)
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Post by: Opethian on November 01, 2011, 01:00:52 AM
I say both I and II because losing speedups late in the game is painful
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 01, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
Cotton 2 is only complex if you want it to be.  There is no need to use any kind of chaining system.  I've had it since it came out and this is the first I've ever heard of it.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 01, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
Just on a side note, your video inspirited me to order a copy of Lightening Force.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 01, 2011, 05:16:23 PM
Good!  Just stick with it and don't let it frustrate you.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on November 01, 2011, 05:58:49 PM
May it LIGHTEN your day.
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Post by: vestcoat on November 01, 2011, 08:27:33 PM
Great episode.  I appreciate how Game Sack keeps the focus on the games, without being dominated by overbearing personalities, terrible production, or excessive rants, attempts at humor, and needless special effects like so many other youtube reviews.  I also like the side-by-side comparisons and the moments you take to let the music be heard.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 01, 2011, 09:27:53 PM
One of the things that bothers me about Youtube videos is that people never shut their yap so you can't hear how the game sounds.  I realized that we were kind of like this, too, so I made it a point to let the game play without the babble if I can.  As for special effects, I know what you mean (Irate Gamer and even AVGN).  We have used them before and probably will again if the situation calls for it, but really I want people talking about the games instead of our 1337 After Effects skillz.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 06, 2011, 07:04:05 PM
Latest episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on November 06, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
Its a shame there still are no good ports of Gain Ground :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 06, 2011, 11:25:41 PM
Yay! for Road Avenger.
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Post by: Mathius on November 07, 2011, 04:03:31 AM
Compile made Ghostbusters?!?!? Really? When did that happen?
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 07, 2011, 06:45:41 AM
It happened in 1989.  It explains the good music.  :)

Gain Ground on the Genesis is more fun to play than the arcade and the PC Engine CD version is more fun to play that that, though you can't see everything at once.  The worst version is for the PS2.
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Post by: SuperDeadite on November 07, 2011, 11:51:45 AM
Arcade Gain Ground runs in 24khz medium resolution.  No console can output in this.  MAME simulates it, but it's far from the real thing.  Also System 24 sound is still not perfectly emulated.  Arcade Gain Ground is much harder then the ports and requires some crazy strategies. 

I'd love a pcb, but System 24 is a pain in the ass as you need a compatible monitor, compatible floppy drive, and the damn thing has a suicide battery.  :(
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 07, 2011, 03:39:03 PM
That's all well and good, but the ports are still more fun to play.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 27, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
Back to retro goodness!

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Post by: Mathius on November 28, 2011, 04:38:21 PM
Oh man oh man thanks for the comparison shots of Raiden! I have the import of Raiden Project (donated to me by Opethian) on the PS1 but I don't have a way to play imports yet. :(

Well you covered M.U.S.H.A. and you are one step closer to a full on Compile episode. :wink:

Edited for gibberish
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 28, 2011, 09:47:41 PM
I think there might be too many Compile shooters for a single episode.  Plus there's no way I have them all.  And trust us, if we miss even the most obscure one, people let us know in force.  That's kind of demotivated us from covering entire series or genres.  Even this episode people are "What, no love for xxxx??" and the like.  They think we meant the ONLY notable vertical shooters or something.  It's not like we can't revisit the subject in the future with completely different games (which we likely will).
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Post by: Samurai Ghost on November 28, 2011, 10:44:30 PM
Really enjoyed the last couple episodes! You guys covered some of my favorites: M.U.S.H.A. Aleste, Soldier Blade, Gain Ground, and Layer Section (even though you didn't ACTUALLY cover it). Gonna pick up Road Blaster FX for the Mega CD. I never tried out because I never really enjoyed the FMV games that much but it looks like a fun one and is dirt cheap. Keep up the good work and reviews!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 29, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
What's interesting is that the graphics in Galactic Attack actually have different (better) effects when you turn it to TATE mode.  That's the way I recorded the games for this episode (both this and Raiden for PS1).
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Post by: Mathius on November 29, 2011, 10:23:25 AM
What's interesting is that the graphics in Galactic Attack actually have different (better) effects when you turn it to TATE mode.  That's the way I recorded the games for this episode (both this and Raiden for PS1).

I have Galactic Attack and love it. How are the effects different?
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 29, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
Look at the part I have in the video, especially the part where you go "though" the moon to the inside.  Now play to that part in the normal mode (not TATE) and the transition is much different.  It's like the edge of the moon is its own layer and there is no curvature to the moon's surface or innards.
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Post by: esteban on November 29, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
As I mentioned at pcebible earlier: I can't wait to watch all the Game Sack episodes that I have missed! Yay!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on November 29, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
Look at the part I have in the video, especially the part where you go "though" the moon to the inside.  Now play to that part in the normal mode (not TATE) and the transition is much different.  It's like the edge of the moon is its own layer and there is no curvature to the moon's surface or innards.

I thought that part looked different when I saw that vid yesterday!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on November 29, 2011, 04:02:06 PM
What's interesting is that the graphics in Galactic Attack actually have different (better) effects when you turn it to TATE mode.  That's the way I recorded the games for this episode (both this and Raiden for PS1).

Yeah, pretty much any shooter will look better in Tate mode because the graphics aren't scaled down at all. But how do you go about playing games in Tate mode? I'm a huge shooter fan so I'm considering getting a dedicated tate monitor at some point (or a SEGA Astro City cab), but I haven't really looked into how I should go about doing this.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 29, 2011, 04:32:56 PM
For Game Sack I just played them as horizontal shooters while recording and rotated the video in post.  Many TATE shooters will let you play like this.  Some will also let you rotate the controls and that's when you also have to rotate the display itself.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on November 29, 2011, 06:17:14 PM
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/opibucket/100_2277.jpg)
^this
:D
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Post by: geise on November 29, 2011, 10:52:42 PM
That's why I play on a very nice 14" Toshiba SDTV.  It's so easy to just rotate the display.  Not all Tv's like being rotated and can have issues, but it really is easy to rotate a small ass TV.  It's like a whole new world for me now when playing games like Galactic Attack or Gunbird 2.  Just pure awesome!  BTW very nice video Joe.  You always choose good games to review.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 04, 2011, 09:39:06 PM
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Post by: Samurai Ghost on December 06, 2011, 12:21:22 AM
Another great episode. The Lucky Hit segment cracked me up!
Pretty much agree completely with your guys' opinions on these games. Played the hell out of Sonic CD when I got it back in the day as it was one of the better Sega CD games I had, but playing it now it is kind of disjointed and random. Love both soundtracks though (although I favor the Japanese one).
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Post by: nat on December 06, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
Sonic CD blows every single other Sonic game away. :)

Also, yes, Lucky Hit was a, well, lucky hit.
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Post by: Tatsujin on December 06, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Sonic 1 [x---------------l---------------] any other sonics
 :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on December 06, 2011, 02:44:04 PM
You're obviously confused.
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Post by: rag-time4 on December 06, 2011, 05:11:22 PM
Games That Cause Polarizing Opinions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX0cRztKrRs)
I think JJ and Jeff may be the most polarizing on pcefx
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 06, 2011, 06:46:50 PM
Sonic 1 has a certain charm and magic to it, IMO, not unlike Bonk's Adventure. That being said Sonic 2 has the best level design. The Chemical Plant is my favorite area in any Sonic the Hedgehog game.
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Post by: Tatsujin on December 06, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
You're obviously confused.

No way, José.
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Post by: BlueBMW on December 07, 2011, 03:13:12 AM
Sonic 1 has a certain charm and magic to it, IMO, not unlike Bonk's Adventure. That being said Sonic 2 has the best level design. The Chemical Plant is my favorite area in any Sonic the Hedgehog game.

I love the Ice Cap zones of sonic 3...  the music is so awesome imo
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on December 07, 2011, 03:59:11 AM
Games That Cause Polarizing Opinions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX0cRztKrRs)


Awesome video, I have strong opinions on all of those games (except for maybe Mario Sunshine which I see as a good game but is the weakest 3D Mario).

Another game I see that people either love or hate (I know RPGs aren't Dave's favorite Genre) is Chrono Cross. I rarely see anyone who's inbetween on it.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 11, 2011, 06:31:36 PM
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Post by: Mathius on December 11, 2011, 06:47:15 PM
It's getting late so I'll watch this one tomorrow night.

....Joe, is there a possibility that GameSack will someday get released on DVD? PLEASE?!?! :pray:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 11, 2011, 07:13:28 PM
Maybe, I dunno.  The issue with that is that I made them for the web.  In other words, I have completely ignored the "safe area" on TVs.  I scale game images to the height of the screen (without distorting their original aspect ratio, of course).  As a result, some game information will probably go unseen if watched on a CRT TV and most LCD TVs (though not as much will be clipped on the non-CRT TVs).  I don't want to put the video in a black border.  I never really intended it to be watched on a television set.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on December 12, 2011, 01:10:44 AM
Oh man, did I play World of Illusion a whole lot over at a friends house. Yes, yes I did. Quackshot one the other hand, I had that as well as a kid but got stuck and traded it in for...who knows what. I'm starting to wonder if that wasn't a mistake : x

At least I still have Aladdin for Mega Drive...hm. Didn't remember the music sounding so crap.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 12, 2011, 05:13:37 AM
Maybe, I dunno.  The issue with that is that I made them for the web.  In other words, I have completely ignored the "safe area" on TVs.  I scale game images to the height of the screen (without distorting their original aspect ratio, of course).  As a result, some game information will probably go unseen if watched on a CRT TV and most LCD TVs (though not as much will be clipped on the non-CRT TVs).  I don't want to put the video in a black border.  I never really intended it to be watched on a television set.

But....but... :cry:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 12, 2011, 09:55:16 AM
I could send the 1080p MP4s for you to do with as you please (except re-edit).  The issue with that is it would take about 10 DVDs to put the files on.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on December 12, 2011, 10:25:49 AM
I could send the 1080p MP4s for you to do with as you please (except re-edit).  The issue with that is it would take about 10 DVDs to put the files on.

Can't those just be downloaded From YouTube and a Firefox extension too? I usually put them on a flash drive and watch them on my 360
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 12, 2011, 11:42:18 AM
Sure, I have no problem with people doing that.  The MP4s I have are higher quality than the Youtube versions, however.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 18, 2011, 06:53:13 PM
Newest:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on December 19, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
I could send the 1080p MP4s for you to do with as you please (except re-edit).  The issue with that is it would take about 10 DVDs to put the files on.


So... Blu-ray?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 19, 2011, 10:02:00 AM
Sure, if you want to buy me an external burner.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on December 19, 2011, 04:21:58 PM
Newest:

Let's Play Soukyugurentai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvDXYi9yUh0)


Watched the Let's Play and thought it was OK but I definitely like your other videos better. Picking a theme and talking about games is interesting to me especially since I share your taste in games. Let's Plays are fine, but the be honest YouTube is swamped with them...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 22, 2011, 07:37:06 PM
Early episode this week for Christmas!



Tats' head is probably spinning just looking at the title of the episode, but there's some Turbo love in there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 23, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
Heh, you guys really cracked me up with that ending. :lol:

As far as the music in UN Squadron is concerned it is actually one of my favorite soundtracks on the SNES, with the game itself being in my top 3 shooters of all time.





































...Where are my Neo Geo games, Joe?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 23, 2011, 07:08:41 PM
They were signed for by Bubba.  I assume that you're Bubba.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 24, 2011, 04:23:36 AM
They were signed for by Bubba.  I assume that you're Bubba.

:lol: :lol:
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Post by: rag-time4 on December 24, 2011, 09:12:04 AM
Heh, you guys really cracked me up with that ending. :lol:

As far as the music in UN Squadron is concerned it is actually one of my favorite soundtracks on the SNES, with the game itself being in my top 3 shooters of all time.
I wholeheartedly agree with Mati on this one... I love the UN squadron soundtrack and its also one of my favorite shooters. Its a shame that the sequel (US Navy/carrier air wing) never came out on a console over here.

I thought UN squadron was the best game on display in this episode. The mode 7 effects in Axelay are just horrible to me... especially the way the enemies look. Early generation polygons are more appealing to me than that lousy mode 7
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 24, 2011, 10:26:48 AM
If you're talking about the overhead stages, that's not Mode 7.  Even the Turbo can do that (albeit on one layer).

As for UN Squadron, I simply cannot stand bad, MIDI-ish fake guitar.  It just sounds so bad and the overall sound quality of all the instruments is pretty low.   With a better instrument set the music would be good, but wah wah guitar is not even pleasing when it comes from a real guitar much less a cheap synthed one.

Some commenter on Youtube was not happy that I kept mentioning the TurboGrafx.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 24, 2011, 12:43:21 PM
Some commenter on Youtube was not happy that I kept mentioning the TurboGrafx.

Well he can eat me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on December 24, 2011, 01:33:04 PM
Enjoyed the latest episode. Interesting topic and games!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: rag-time4 on December 25, 2011, 04:44:01 AM
If you're talking about the overhead stages, that's not Mode 7.  Even the Turbo can do that (albeit on one layer).

As for UN Squadron, I simply cannot stand bad, MIDI-ish fake guitar.  It just sounds so bad and the overall sound quality of all the instruments is pretty low.   With a better instrument set the music would be good, but wah wah guitar is not even pleasing when it comes from a real guitar much less a cheap synthed one.

Some commenter on Youtube was not happy that I kept mentioning the TurboGrafx.
Yeah im referring to those overhead stages... didnt realize it wasnt mode 7... they sure look like mode 7 with everything being totally flat.

I like the instruments in UN squadron, they sound fairly unique to me. I know what youre saying about fake guitar, but to me it sounds distinctive. I also really love the futuristic instruments of Image Fight arcade.... but I imagine they might make your ears bleed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 25, 2011, 04:57:45 AM
Everyone keeps talking about Image Fight but I've never even seen it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: rag-time4 on December 25, 2011, 05:23:30 AM
Everyone keeps talking about Image Fight but I've never even seen it.
The arcade version is available in japan for saturn and playstation as part of a 2-in-1 with x-multiply... The saturn version is usually a little cheaper

The pce version of image fight can be found for about 15-20 bucks complete. Its also available for the NES and famicom, but the NES version is garbage compared to the others. (which might make for fun fodder in your show!)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on December 26, 2011, 07:49:50 PM
Everyone keeps talking about Joe's show but I've never even seen it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 26, 2011, 08:04:17 PM
I want to make a witty comeback, but I can't think of one that's particularly funny.  Maybe tomorrow...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 27, 2011, 12:00:31 AM
Everyone keeps talking about Joe's show but I've never even seen it.

I want to make a witty comeback, but I can't think of one that's particularly funny.  Maybe tomorrow...

I've gone back to re-watch the (many!) GamSac episodes I've missed since I went M.I.A. and it has been wonderful, concentrated goodness. It's like watching "The Wire" on DVD and not having to wait for new episodes (or, even worse, a new season).

Instant gratification. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on December 27, 2011, 12:59:46 AM
Everyone keeps talking about Joe's show but I've never even seen it.

I want to make a witty comeback, but I can't think of one that's particularly funny.  Maybe tomorrow...

I've gone back to re-watch the (many!) GamSac episodes I've missed since I went M.I.A. and it has been wonderful, concentrated goodness. It's like watching "The Wire" on DVD and not having to wait for new episodes (or, even worse, a new season).

Instant gratification. :)

Yeah since I recently discovered Game Sack through this forum I've been going back and watching a lot of the older episodes. Great stuff guys! It's weird how close my gaming tastes are to Joe's. I think we were separated at birth by some guys working for SEGA or something...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 01, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
Latest episode: 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 01, 2012, 07:25:04 PM
Oh, a to Joe deticated ep then :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 02, 2012, 04:49:18 AM
Wow, I had no idea about half of those Afterburner titles.

Absolutely fun (& educational!) episode.

Bravo, gentlemen. Bravo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 02, 2012, 05:49:07 AM
I have this machine, and the board for After Burner II. Nice video.

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff85/DragonmasterDan/3k63mf3p65O75Pc5S59aoab29ee913bd11699-1.jpg)(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff85/DragonmasterDan/3n43oc3l05Qe5P35R79aof31211e87790142e-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BenG76 on January 02, 2012, 06:38:10 AM
I just watched the After Burner episode. I like the show. I will be checking out more episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on January 02, 2012, 08:05:39 AM
Great coverage this time as well!
I think I'm siding with Dave this time...just can't get into After Burner, my eyes just starts to go round and round. Now, OutRun on the other hand....I do like. Looking forward to the next one : )
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on January 02, 2012, 08:44:06 AM
that look on your face when you're messing with the mission stick...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on January 02, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
that look on your face when you're messing with the mission stick...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, that was great!
Looking forward to the OutRun episode. One of my favorite games of all time!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on January 02, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Which person is Joe Redifer? The cameraman? Neither looked like Shinobi or had eyes darting around when you least expect it like his avatar.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 02, 2012, 04:45:28 PM
I WANT YOU!
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2323/reddb.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 02, 2012, 04:48:45 PM
Which person is Joe Redifer? The cameraman? Neither looked like Shinobi or had eyes darting around when you least expect it like his avatar.


:lol:

I WANT YOU!
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2323/reddb.png)
'

Now the big question is, just who is you?  8-[ :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 02, 2012, 05:12:43 PM
great show, here a good addition to it :)


looking GREATFFWD to next weeks episode.
Out Run is one of my very fav games of petty much EVAR!! :D
so better take some good care guys  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 02, 2012, 05:31:17 PM
great show, here a good addition to it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9Njzr1rr0

looking GREATFFWD to next weeks episode.
Out Run is one of my very fav games of petty much EVAR!! :D
so better take some good care guys  :P


Looking forward to Outrun as well! Some of the best musics to come out of a Sega Arcade board right up there with Power Drift. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 02, 2012, 05:32:48 PM
Some of the best musics to come out of a Sega Arcade board right up there with Power Drift. :)

And for sure Thunder Blade and Galaxy Force II :D teh best
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on January 02, 2012, 05:36:40 PM
Haha. OK that settles that.

I liked the afterburner episode. Good cutscenes, and especially the closeups of teh consoles. For some reason that made the video extra-awesome. I'll hand it to you, Joe; you're putting a shitload of effort into this :D.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 02, 2012, 05:40:09 PM
Some of the best musics to come out of a Sega Arcade board right up there with Power Drift. :)

And for sure Thunder Blade and Galaxy Force II :D teh best

Oh man! How could I forget Thunder Blade?!?! #-o Joe, there are a lot of Thunder Blade fans in this thread including you :-$ if I am not mistaken. We need a Thunder Blade episode. We need it. You-Tube needs it. The World needs it. All eleven universes need it. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 02, 2012, 06:19:07 PM
Sorry, can't make a Thunderblade episode until I get my hands on the PC Engine version.  Wouldn't dare not include it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 02, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Sorry, can't make a Thunderblade episode until I get my hands on the PC Engine version.  Wouldn't dare not include it.

Ah yes. Wouldn't want to do that prematurely. If I had a copy I'd just send it to you for keeps. But... :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 03, 2012, 04:35:06 PM
Sorry, can't make a Thunderblade episode until I get my hands on the PC Engine version.  Wouldn't dare not include it.

Ah yes. Wouldn't want to do that prematurely. If I had a copy I'd just send it to you for keeps. But... :(

1 HuCard Thunder Blade. STAT!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 03, 2012, 05:28:50 PM
Sorry, can't make a Thunderblade episode until I get my hands on the PC Engine version.  Wouldn't dare not include it.

Ah yes. Wouldn't want to do that prematurely. If I had a copy I'd just send it to you for keeps. But... :(

1 HuCard Thunder Blade. STAT!



Someone must have a copy that you can just loan Joe. I can vouch that he takes very good care of your games. He will even cuddle with them to your exact specifications!  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 04, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
I have a copy on it's way from Japan.  Mint copy was $21 shipped.  Sealed copy was $25 shipped.  I chose the mint copy because I need that $4 to buy some cheap crack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 04, 2012, 05:33:20 PM
I have a copy on it's way from Japan. 

Awesome! :D One of the guys that is helping our crew with MGC this year actually has a sit-down TB arcade unit. I am sure he'd let you use it though you would have to go all the way to Wisconsin.

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I chose the mint copy because I need that $4 to buy some cheap crack

Don't forget a cheap whore. For that kind of money you could get one with a face like those screaming zombies from Ocarina of Time.
Title: Re: Game Snack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 04, 2012, 11:23:16 PM
Damn I didn't ride on of those TB cabs for two decades now :shock:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on January 05, 2012, 01:40:31 AM
Damn I didn't ride on of those TB cabs for two decades now :shock:

Then come to Wisconsin.  I hear they have good cheese too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 05, 2012, 03:43:55 AM
Damn I didn't ride on of those TB cabs for two decades now :shock:

Me either! He doesn't want to bring it to the show because it's too damn big. I can't say that I blame him though it still makes me cry a river.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on January 05, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Damn I didn't ride on of those TB cabs for two decades now :shock:

Then come to Wisconsin.  I hear they have good cheese too.

It's true. California Cows are happier, though. I think.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 09, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Joe, you're slackin' brother! :wink: I guess I'll announce the new GameSack. Here it is folks....

OUTRUN!!!



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 09, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
-=I Out Run=-
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 09, 2012, 04:36:05 PM
-=I Out Run=-

Me too! I really need to pick up the PC Engine version. I loved how the system handled the music! :shock:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 09, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Oh shit.  I knew I forgot to post it somewhere.  I post this stuff all over and usually facebook and Twitter are the ones I forget to post it to.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on January 09, 2012, 07:35:53 PM
Oh shit.  I knew I forgot to post it somewhere.  I post this stuff all over and usually facebook and Twitter are the ones I forget to post it to.

Don't worry, I think most of us are subbed to you anyway. Loved the Out Run episode. Made me want to play it but my copy of Out Run won't play on my new Saturn. The early runs of the game won't play on Model 2 Saturns for some reason. Need to buy another copy...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 09, 2012, 07:36:50 PM
That's weird.  Must be some shenanigans going on under the hood of the model 2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 09, 2012, 08:35:47 PM
Oh shit.  I knew I forgot to post it somewhere.  I post this stuff all over and usually facebook and Twitter are the ones I forget to post it to.

Don't worry, I think most of us are subbed to you anyway. Loved the Out Run episode. Made me want to play it but my copy of Out Run won't play on my new Saturn. The early runs of the game won't play on Model 2 Saturns for some reason. Need to buy another copy...

Yeah, I have heard of that before. I have a very early grey saturn :)

Out Run in 60fps is the best thing of probably ever :uberbonlerget:
Saturn Out Run makes every other version in existence obsolete (arcade included).

Playing it almost on a monthly base since it was released.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 09, 2012, 10:04:32 PM
rolflolubermax @ the mentioning in the US manual that they had removed the arranged tracks from the Japanese version (http://www.thegforum.ch/images/smilies/lachen70.gif) (http://www.thegforum.ch/images/smilies/lachen70.gif) (http://www.thegforum.ch/images/smilies/lachen70.gif)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on January 09, 2012, 10:42:17 PM
Aw yeah, OutRun. I grew up on that. It was the first Mega Drive game I played when I got the system that Christmas. I like how the Testarossa seems a bit lower & wider in that version, compared to the others. Speaking of which, I need to pick the Saturn version up soon!

Before I got back into console gaming, I found the pc-version of Coast to Coast for really, really cheap in GAME store. The controls are...well, the "easy" cars aren't that bad but it's weirdly twitchy and sometimes it more feels like being strapped to a railroad than running down the road - especially crashes and bumps tend to screw it up for you. Like, the not so good parts from Ridge Racers controls. I imagine it's easier to play with a wheel or analog stick. Still, awesome music - converted the .ogg files in the game's music folder to mp3 -but I know some people on youtube already mentioned that. Still, loving me some OutRun.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on January 10, 2012, 06:53:53 AM
If you aren't playing with analog steering I can see you having control problems, the game uses precise steering so going full left and full right all the time would make the game borderline unplayable I think.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Chuplayer on January 15, 2012, 10:46:56 AM
If you aren't playing with analog steering I can see you having control problems, the game uses precise steering so going full left and full right all the time would make the game borderline unplayable I think.
This is true. I have the PC version, and it's excellent with a controller that has an analog stick.

I also have every other version of OR2006 as well as OR2 for the original Xbox. I'm an OR2/SP fanatic, and I can safely say that the PC version rules. It even has full 1080p that even outdoes that half-butted Outrun Online Arcade thing, too. I saw some comparison screenshots between many different versions on some Japanese site a couple years back, and the PC version topped them all.

The PSP version is good if you have custom firmware and can max out the CPU/GPU speed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 15, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
New episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on January 15, 2012, 04:45:21 PM
Nice episode! I'll just pretend you guys answered my request for a rail shooter video in the comments of the Out Run vid.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 15, 2012, 05:13:43 PM
I am ashamed that I don't own any Panzer Dragoon games on my Saturn. I really need to get off my ass and pick one up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on January 16, 2012, 03:10:35 AM
^Same. I do want an Xbox  so I can play Orta (& some other games I thought would work on my 360 but didn't).
Speaking of railshooters, what about those Virtua Cop/Time Crisis-kind of games? I always lumped they in the same genre. Would be nice seeing an episode about that ; ) *hint hint*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 16, 2012, 03:34:45 AM
Mati.. if you've got a J saturn or a modded US one, I think ive got both panzer dragoons extra...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 16, 2012, 07:40:14 AM
Mati.. if you've got a J saturn or a modded US one, I think ive got both panzer dragoons extra...

I just may take you up on that offer. :) I have a Pro Action Replay so I am good to go.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 16, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
Hey, do some of those light gun games technically qualify as rail shooters? ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 16, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
Hey, do some of those light gun games technically qualify as rail shooters? ;)

That's a good question. :-k
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 16, 2012, 12:53:48 PM
I think they do, but I'd rather feature them in a light gun episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 16, 2012, 01:45:25 PM
I think they do, but I'd rather feature them in a light gun episode.


Oh, I totally agree. I asked only because I just watched your NES vs. SMS light gun episode!  I wasn't kidding about "catching up on old episodes".

Also, I loved this:

(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/disclaimer_gamesack.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 16, 2012, 03:00:16 PM
Quote
Sometimes, you just gotta let all the puss leak out of the reddened area

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 16, 2012, 05:52:23 PM
Next time I try something like that, I'll make the text so small that you'll be forced to switch it to 1080p to read it.  Granted, I have no idea what to say... yet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 17, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
Next time I try something like that, I'll make the text so small that you'll be forced to switch it to 1080p to read it.  Granted, I have no idea what to say... yet.

You evil bastard! :) I've been watching Game Sac primarily in my phone, which means I'm often on the toilet when I see you. And Dave.

Seriously.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 17, 2012, 09:57:00 AM
Ew.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 22, 2012, 03:38:44 PM
New episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 22, 2012, 04:07:08 PM
I am surprised you two are still alive considering Neo-Geo.com's mercenary force they use to deal with unsanctioned conversions. :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 22, 2012, 04:36:05 PM
I've heard from some in the community that Shock Troopers is "OK" because it was never released to the home system.  But again, don't really care.  I doubt too many of them will stumble upon it anyway so I shouldn't be hurt too badly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on January 22, 2012, 04:51:48 PM
Quote
Sometimes, you just gotta let all the puss leak out of the reddened area

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

ROFLMAX
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on January 23, 2012, 12:52:09 PM
Quote
Sometimes, you just gotta let all the puss leak out of the reddened area

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

ROFLMAX


puss leaking out of the reddened area.  lolol.  SOUNDS FAMILIARIRAR
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: vestcoat on January 25, 2012, 07:03:39 PM
Nice choice of games.  I may have to go buy NES Commando again.  I was really surprised that you included Mercs for the SMS; that port is pretty rough.

There was only one thing I would liked to have seen that wasn't in the montage: Captain Quazar!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on January 27, 2012, 10:44:40 AM
18,726 :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 29, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 29, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
LOL Angel Mate has an English Text option which might help.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sadler on January 29, 2012, 04:08:02 PM
I'm really enjoying these! They're all informative and amusing, and the production quality seems to get better and better every episode. Thanks man!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 29, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
I'm really enjoying these! They're all informative and amusing, and the production quality seems to get better and better every episode. Thanks man!

Don't forget to thank Dave too. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 29, 2012, 04:58:02 PM
Just rewatched this, and realized you gave no credit to BMW at all. 
He took the effort to ship that beast and stack of games, but you didn't even list
his name in the credits?

At the end you even have the games up on a shelf like you are the owner. 
And joke about owning TimeGal, when all of that stuff was shipped on loan. 

Looks to me you care more about your youtube sub list then real people that do
you very generous favors.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 29, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
LOL!  BMW didn't want any special credit, we talked about that.  I think you're just a bit sore that we didn't glorify the system a bit more.  It's definitely something that should be seen through the eyes of someone who has no financial investment in the system.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 29, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
BMW is the nice guy of nice guys.  Regardless of what he states, I see no reason to leave him out of the credits.
  It's just the right thing to do.

As for myself, financial investment?  LOL.  Only a fool considers games an investment.  I buy what I want with disposable
income.  The value means nothing to me and never has.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 29, 2012, 07:04:53 PM
Just rewatched this, and realized you gave no credit to BMW at all. 
He took the effort to ship that beast and stack of games, but you didn't even list
his name in the credits?

At the end you even have the games up on a shelf like you are the owner. 
And joke about owning TimeGal, when all of that stuff was shipped on loan. 

Looks to me you care more about your youtube sub list then real people that do
you very generous favors.

When I lent Joe Viewpoint for his "first" episode of GameSack he had it on his shelf like Blue's laserdiscs. It was all in good fun. :)

However, I hope Byron gave you permission to play frisbee.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 29, 2012, 07:57:13 PM
SuperDeadite, I go by the wishes of the donater/loaner.  I offered.  And what I mean by "investment" is basically "putting a lot of money into".  I do expect some slack from LaserActive owners who are angry that I didn't say it was the most amazing thing in the world.  Don't know if that will happen, but if it does I won't be surprised.

Quote from: Mathius
However, I hope Byron gave you permission to play frisbee.

Yeah he didn't mind ruining a Time Gal for the joke.  "On less copy of that awful game in the world is a good thing" I believe was his exact quote.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 30, 2012, 03:21:18 AM
Hahahahahaha!

Yeah I didnt want any credit on it.  Just wanted an independent review with no biases.

Going to watch it here in a sec
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on January 30, 2012, 03:25:12 AM
what the f*ck is wrong with Time Gal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 30, 2012, 03:45:36 AM
Her voice!! So obnoxious!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 30, 2012, 04:12:29 AM
SuperDeadite, I go by the wishes of the donater/loaner.  I offered.  And what I mean by "investment" is basically "putting a lot of money into".  I do expect some slack from LaserActive owners who are angry that I didn't say it was the most amazing thing in the world.  Don't know if that will happen, but if it does I won't be surprised.

Quote from: Mathius
However, I hope Byron gave you permission to play frisbee.

Yeah he didn't mind ruining a Time Gal for the joke.  "On less copy of that awful game in the world is a good thing" I believe was his exact quote.  :)

Fair enough.  I don't agree but I've said what I wanted to.  As for the LA games themselves it's like anything else.  The FMV crosshair shooters all play quite differently, but you have to actually play them to realize this.  For most people they all look the same, but then again most people wouldn't know the difference between R-Type and Thunder Force or any other shooter either.  I could care less what anyone thinks of the system in general, I like the games so I own them.  I've had way more fun with the small pile of LA games then I've had from the SNES library.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on January 30, 2012, 04:58:10 AM
Dear Game Sack,

I'm extremely upset you didn't identify the LaserActive as an NEC Console throughout the video. Clearly, due to the existence of an NEC PACK, the platform qualifies as such. It was obviously released in line with NEC's market strategy at the time as part of the official NEC line-up and was meant as an alternative to the Duo for people who think bigger is better.

The fact that the platform was developed and marketed by Pioneer was simply a farce propagated by NEC to conceal an attempted market monopoly. The LaserActive's ability to play SEGA games is trivial at best and certainly doesn't support the position that the LaserActive is an official SEGA console. It's evident the LaserActive was not part of SEGA's campaign at the time and the release of the SEGA PACK was just a further effort to throw authorities off the track of the platform's true status as an official NEC Console.

Please update your notes accordingly and revise your video to identify the LaserActive's true position within the NEC Console lineup.


Thanks,
 
 Chairman of the Board
 LaserActive-As-An-NEC Console-Subcomittee
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 30, 2012, 04:59:28 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on January 30, 2012, 05:06:38 AM
Chairman of the Board
 LaserActive-As-An-NEC Console-Subcomittee

Pure gold.  :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on January 30, 2012, 05:13:25 AM
I roflcoptered so hard I crashed into a cliff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 30, 2012, 06:23:32 AM
I roflcoptered so hard I crashed into a cliff.

Hahahaha!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on January 30, 2012, 06:26:18 AM
OBEY HAWK DOWN.

WEVE GOT AN OBEY HAWK DOWN.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 30, 2012, 10:29:17 AM
To be honest I've never cared much for Time Gal as a game.  I mean it sure looks nice judging by SuperDeadite's video but I like Dragon's Lair better for that style of game (better animation and artwork not to mention much funnier death sequences).  I'd still rather play Time Gal than Space Berzerker, though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 30, 2012, 11:35:53 AM
Time Gal = Pure Sex!

Further questions?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on January 30, 2012, 11:37:06 AM
PYRAMIDS ARE FOR HUMANS ONLY! :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 30, 2012, 11:48:57 AM
Time Gal = Pure Sex!

Further questions?

None at all.  I would be concerned if you of all people didn't like it.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 31, 2012, 12:38:45 AM
18,726 :lol:

more like 187,260
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 31, 2012, 03:35:59 AM
To be honest I've never cared much for Time Gal as a game.  I mean it sure looks nice judging by SuperDeadite's video but I like Dragon's Lair better for that style of game (better animation and artwork not to mention much funnier death sequences).  I'd still rather play Time Gal than Space Berzerker, though.

Time Gal is a take it or leave it kind of game. I like the quality of the animation, though obviously it isn't of the level of Don Bluth's work on the Dragons Lair franchise or Space Ace. But it looks nicer than Super Don Quix-ote or Esh's Aurunmilla.

Speaking of the LaserActive version of that game, there is a ROM floating around where someone actually recorded all of the video off the laseractive disc, then set up a timing file to use with the Daphne emulators Singe extension. Since it was recorded passively, it's running at a higher resolution than off the actual laseractive.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on January 31, 2012, 04:33:49 AM
Time Gal is awesome.  disagreeing means you're dumb.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on January 31, 2012, 10:34:32 AM
Time Gal comments ++

However, "Vajra 2: Vaj Harder" was met with a hearty laugh!

Cool episode, it turned out great.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 31, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
Time Gal is awesome.  disagreeing means you're dumb.

TEH WORD!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on January 31, 2012, 01:21:54 PM
Speaking of Dragon's Lair, has anyone played Dragon's Lair HD yet? Seems like it would look great. The only copy I own is the Sega CD version and it's pretty gainy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 31, 2012, 01:28:49 PM
Speaking of Dragon's Lair, has anyone played Dragon's Lair HD yet? Seems like it would look great. The only copy I own is the Sega CD version and it's pretty gainy.

I've played it, it looks okay. Keep in mind it wasn't originally mastered on 35 MM or anything, so it can only look so good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 05, 2012, 05:01:07 PM
Latest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on February 05, 2012, 05:33:31 PM
The guy in that Test Drive Unlimited game really looks exactly like you. Are you able to design the facial features of the character or is that actually how the character appears, out of the box? If it's the latter, I have to say, that's.... pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 05, 2012, 05:35:58 PM
Looks like you guys have a new lighting system. :)

You got me interested in getting Test Drive: The Adventures of Joe Red. When I was a kid I always dreamed of a game that just let me drive in geographically accurate parts of the country as a guy named Joe. Thank Buddah that dream is a reality now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 05, 2012, 07:01:12 PM
You design your own character in TDU.  Maybe I switched on the hidden caveman mode or something.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on February 05, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
I think your TDU character almost qualifies for the uncanny valley :p

TDU is an interesting premise brought down by twitchy car controls :p I tried the demo a multitude of times, but never quite adjusted to it. But really, we need more driving games that aren't pure racing games - i.e. closed to a track. I'm starting to think sandbox games like GTA, Just Cause & the like are becoming better at this than the racing games are. Really, give me a nice car, a goal, and a time in which I need to get there along with the graphics of OutRun C2C and the vehicle control & feel of Forza. TDU and it's sequel is a nice start I guess.
Another great episode, by the way : )
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on February 06, 2012, 04:39:08 AM
I normally don't care for that sort of game, but I wanna get TDU now! :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on February 06, 2012, 06:24:18 AM
I normally don't care for that sort of game, but I wanna get TDU now! :D

Me too!  I got my license and my first car when I lived on Oahu.  It'll be fun to see if I remember any of those locations (I moved away in the early 90s).  I used to drive all over that island, though my car only had 3 cylinders, so it was never very fast. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 06, 2012, 06:31:46 AM
I normally don't care for that sort of game, but I wanna get TDU now! :D

Me too!  I got my license and my first car when I lived on Oahu.  It'll be fun to see if I remember any of those locations (I moved away in the early 90s).  I used to drive all over that island, though my car only had 3 cylinders, so it was never very fast. :D

Magnum P.I. you wasn't. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on February 06, 2012, 07:25:10 AM
Magnum P.I. you wasn't. :P

Quite right. :P  My license plate was DBA007, though, which I thought was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on February 06, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
I normally don't care for that sort of game, but I wanna get TDU now! :D

Me too!  I got my license and my first car when I lived on Oahu.  It'll be fun to see if I remember any of those locations (I moved away in the early 90s).  I used to drive all over that island, though my car only had 3 cylinders, so it was never very fast. :D

I read about it on the wiki. I guess some details are not quite right.

I have a friend at work who also grew up on Oahu. On lunch breaks, he likes to watch Hawaii 5-0, but he says that whatever island they're on, it's not Oahu.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 06, 2012, 09:09:34 AM
They don't have the stores and malls and whatnot which would be there in real life.  The road data was supposedly take from satellite data ala Google Earth or some such.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 12, 2012, 03:02:21 PM
Latest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 12, 2012, 03:59:10 PM
I always was under the impression that Battle Garegga was extremely difficult thanks to its performance based difficulty system?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 12, 2012, 05:30:03 PM
Not that I've noticed.  This is not to say that anyone can walk through the game unchallenged, but I believe that most can beat the normal difficulty without much hassle.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 12, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
Hmm that may rise it up my Saturn shootie list. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 12, 2012, 06:44:01 PM
Latest episode:

Left in Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxsXwEl2lHU)


I want Cosmo Gang The Video! Damn. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on February 12, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
Hmm that may rise it up my Saturn shootie list. :)

Yeah, it's a pretty awesome game! Been collecting a ton of Saturn shooters these days. Love the Psikyo shooters, like Gunbird, Strikers 1945, and my favorite, Sengoku Blade. Love that one! Also Batsugun, which is insanely difficult but all sorts of kick ass.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on February 13, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
I'm confused.  You can't find ninja games competently through the GoogleBox9000, but can manage to find non-western released games? 

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 13, 2012, 11:07:57 AM
Sengoku Blaede (as it's printed on the box) is another one that I found extremely easy, but still I'd like to cover it.  A note to the "hardcore" players out there: I don't care about 1 CC'ing games.  If the developers cared, they would limit the number of CCs.  I can beat Battle Garegga on its hardest difficulty using only 3 or 4 CCs.  What does CC even stand for anyway?  Coin coin?

Also, I only discovered Google in time for this episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 13, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
1CC: 1 Credit Clear
1LC: 1 Life Clear

*Sure you knew that already.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 13, 2012, 11:54:33 AM
LOL the reason Garrega is considered very hard, is because of the rank.  The longer you live the harder it gets.  But everytime you die the rank is lowered and the game gets much easier.  If you continue you reset the rank to the lowest setting.  So by using 3 credits on hardest you may as well be playing on super easy baby mode.

It is far more difficult to complete that game on 1 credit on the easy difficulty setting then to beat it on hardest using 3 credits.  Give it a try if you don't believe me.  Put it on easy, and only play 1 credit, see how far you get.  The extra characters are from Mahou Daisakusen.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 13, 2012, 02:00:51 PM
Oh I believe you.  But basically people are making up rules for themselves in order to meet the challenge and then claiming the game as a whole is hard because of the challenge they've made for themselves.  Like playing through Pier Solar without leveling up and then claiming the game is easy (or hard) because of that.  If a game wants to be considered difficult, it must be so right out of the box (hidden codes notwithstanding).  The game, as Raizing has made it, is easy unless you limit yourself.  I'm saying that if the game is truly to be considered difficult, they should have limited the amount of continues to one or none.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 13, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
I'm saying that if the game is truly to be considered difficult, they should have limited the amount of continues to one or none.

Oh man! I am glad they didn't do that to Nexzr! :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 13, 2012, 02:38:42 PM
Arcade games have always been quater munchers, else how would they have get back their monnies? From the real game cracks, playing 4 times trough it with one coin? LOL.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 13, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Well obviously arcades games are exempt from that since their whole point is to get more quarters.  I'm sure you know that I was referring to home games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on February 13, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
I think you might be a good shoot-em-up player, Joe, or at least above average! But yeah, while Sengoku Blaeaede is pretty easy I love the graphical style, characters, gameplay, music, presentation, everything!

I'm not so strict about 1CCing a game, but it depends on the game. For older games like Kyukyoku Tiger/Twin Cobra or Gunhed/Blazing lasers I'll usually reset it if I die more than once in the first 6 stages or so. For more frantic/casual games like the Psikyo shooters I'll usually start feeling bad if I have to continue more than 2 or 3 times to clear it. If I have to start credit feeding to get through a level it usually means I don't know the level/pattern well enough so I'll go back and play through it again. Credit feeding through a game just feels empty to me, aside from a few games from the Metal Slug series that I can't seem to complete without at least a dozen credits.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 13, 2012, 03:02:21 PM
Well obviously arcades games are exempt from that since their whole point is to get more quarters.  I'm sure you know that I was referring to home games.

Right, but battle garrega is a straight to home arcade port (with some options plus) vs. pure console concepted games which were never intend to squeeze quaters out of your pocket, except when you bought 'em in the shop.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 13, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
Samurai, I really like Sengoku Blade as well.  And I often reset certain games like R-Type when I die even once.  I'm pretty good at shooters, but not all though.

Tats, yes it is an arcade port but obviously they don't need to keep massive quantities of continues intact (not sure if they're unlimited or not).  I'm all for a secret mode that allows this, but certainly not right out of the box.  There are no monies to earn back after the game has been purchased for home use.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 15, 2012, 12:55:49 PM
Guys, stop debating the merits/flaws of quarter munching vs. home console and play some Cosmo Gang The Video.

I'm serious.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 26, 2012, 06:58:10 AM
New episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on February 26, 2012, 08:17:58 AM
You need to do one on the awesome "genesis killer" CD-i
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 26, 2012, 09:33:14 AM
New episode:

Six Great 8-bit Platformers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFu12i0tEak)


You don't seem as happy in this episode, Joe (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on February 27, 2012, 01:27:43 AM
You need to do one on the awesome "genesis killer" CD-i
No, GS does not need to do a CD-i special. Phillips' trash does not deserve a whole episode. But an ep talking about all the failed consoles I can see. It's been done before on other sites, but I'm sure Joe and Dave would put a good spin on it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on February 27, 2012, 01:33:21 AM
You need to do one on the awesome "genesis killer" CD-i
No, GS does not need to do a CD-i special. Phillips' trash does not deserve a whole episode. But an ep talking about all the failed consoles I can see. It's been done before on other sites, but I'm sure Joe and Dave would put a good spin on it.
I think it needs a 3 episode special.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 27, 2012, 01:36:08 AM
lol, SMS so wins!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on February 27, 2012, 05:27:57 AM
By far my favorite episode.  Good job guys.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on February 27, 2012, 07:00:40 AM

But an ep talking about all the failed consoles I can see. It's been done before on other sites, but I'm sure Joe and Dave would put a good spin on it.

Considering how much Joe loves the Master System I can see a Game Sack episode on failed consoles going great.

Just kidding, but in the US market at least, it could be categorized as such.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 03, 2012, 12:27:01 AM
You need to do one on the awesome "genesis killer" CD-i

No, GS does not need to do a CD-i special. Phillips' trash does not deserve a whole episode. But an ep talking about all the failed consoles I can see. It's been done before on other sites, but I'm sure Joe and Dave would put a good spin on it.


majors! Don't be so negative (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Of course we need entire episodes for garbage like CD-i and it's brethren: these are the systems that we are least familiar with and therefore most ignorant of. I would love to find out more about them.

Some topics are worthy of committing to an episode (or THREE episodes, as PunkicCyborg wisely suggested) because they will shed light on the dregs of the video game barrel. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on March 03, 2012, 01:52:01 AM
I don't know why you didn't use Wonderboy 3.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 03, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
yeah, that one would have crushed the nes into deepest grounds. no matter which with titles it had countered.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on March 03, 2012, 03:54:31 AM
I figured that Wonderboy 3 would be used to counter Megaman
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 03, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
lol, SMS so wins!
Only in europe and south america it did  :roll: :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 04, 2012, 03:09:42 PM
New episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 04, 2012, 03:38:23 PM
Looks like it's finally time for me to break down and get a 32X. I had Jumping Flash back when the PS1 was new. I had it on a demo disc and loved it so much that I bought the full game. I must've sold it though. :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 04, 2012, 05:39:22 PM
Interesting bucky o'hare was mention in that video joe.It's a shame it didn't get a 'sequel but konami had a arcade version of the game as well.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 04, 2012, 05:41:21 PM
I have Bucky O'Hare and think the game features outstanding parallax, which the NES wasn't supposed to be able to do.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 04, 2012, 08:56:20 PM
Enjoyed this episode, especially with Jackie Chan and Jumping Flash.  Loved Jumping Flash when it came out and it's still fun to play. Have my copy somewhere at my parent's house. Remember picking it up for $4.99 from Electronics Boutique. Really making me think about finally getting a 32X as well...

Bucky O'Hare seems cool, although a similar game that I would have gone with personally would be Little Samson. Apparently it's really expensive on the NES, but damn, what an awesome game!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on March 04, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
Knuckles' Chaotix is fantastic. It wouldn't catch half the flack it does if it hadn't been for the fact that it's neither a traditional Sonic game nor a new 3D Sonic game, like people were hoping for. The bungee function really does work, and once you get used to it, the game is FAST.

That's right, Knuckles Chaotix is the fastest Sonic game.

It does have a couple of flaws, though. The random stage select, as well as the random partner select, really shouldn't have existed (though you can get around them with bonus stage items). Also, they did an awful lot of idea recycling in each Zone. It's almost impossible to tell them all apart.

Still, the first level and the greenhouse level are some of the best in Sonic history, I think, especially with their awesome music. Too bad my 32X is in America, or I'd give it a spin right now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 04, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
I had Jumping Flash back when the PS1 was new. I had it on a demo disc and loved it so much that I bought the full game. I must've sold it though. :(

I went back and tried playing Jumping Flash 1 and 2 a few months ago, the control was just too much of an adjustment for me to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 11, 2012, 12:04:21 PM
Newest!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on March 11, 2012, 01:10:56 PM
Newest!

TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine Shoot 'em Ups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRYOslXTCs)


Nicely done.  Enjoyed that one.  :)  Im still laughing that the comment about the voices on the title screen of Rayxanber II.  LMAO.  IQ of 23.   :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 11, 2012, 01:27:31 PM
Quote
Tags:
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ROLF!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 11, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
Definitely my favorite episode at this point! :D

Note about Super Air Zonk. Does anyone else hear the similarities between Super Air Zonk's music, particularly the guitar work, to that of Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast? I am convinced they share some of the same music staff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 11, 2012, 05:28:36 PM
I doubt Jun Senoue was even in the biz at the time Super Air Zonk was released.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 11, 2012, 05:46:38 PM
Awesome episode of course!! Think I'll give Spriggan Mark 2 a chance. I have heard mixed things about it but it looks pretty cool to me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 11, 2012, 05:47:46 PM
I doubt Jun Senoue was even in the biz at the time Super Air Zonk was released.

Is that him? You may be right. IMO the similarities are uncanny. Maybe it's just me.  :-k
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 11, 2012, 05:58:34 PM
Newest!

TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine Shoot 'em Ups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRYOslXTCs)

Watched it eariler hmmm yummy rasianbar II  :roll: Still what's up with the announcer at the title screen for rayxanber II he sounds a bit retarded !? By the way how about a video on genesis shoot'em ups next ?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on March 11, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
Almost as entertaining as the episode itself is watching the Genesis fans come out of the woodwork in the comments section and start complaining how it's "not fair" to compare the Turbo port of Forgotten Worlds to the "early release" Genesis port. Not only that, but the Turbo port is "hundreds of megs" because it's on CD-ROM and must also take advantage of the "CPU upgrades" offered by the Turbo's CD-ROM drive.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 11, 2012, 08:06:23 PM
Bet you $50 that all those arguments taking place are just Nintega using his multiple accounts to argue with himself. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 11, 2012, 10:18:06 PM
Almost as entertaining as the episode itself is watching the Genesis fans come out of the woodwork in the comments section and start complaining how it's "not fair" to compare the Turbo port of Forgotten Worlds to the "early release" Genesis port. Not only that, but the Turbo port is "hundreds of megs" because it's on CD-ROM and must also take advantage of the "CPU upgrades" offered by the Turbo's CD-ROM drive.

I'm a huge Mega Drive fan but yeah, that's pretty sad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on March 12, 2012, 02:27:41 AM
It's not fair that a port on superior hardware is better! Waaaah!

I played some of the original arcade game through one of the Capcom collections a while back and although the game was better, the music is awful. Turbo version 4 life.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Terminarcade on March 12, 2012, 02:39:39 AM
I have lots of catching up to do... but great show Joe Redifer  :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on March 12, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
Almost as entertaining as the episode itself is watching the Genesis fans come out of the woodwork in the comments section and start complaining how it's "not fair" to compare the Turbo port of Forgotten Worlds to the "early release" Genesis port. Not only that, but the Turbo port is "hundreds of megs" because it's on CD-ROM and must also take advantage of the "CPU upgrades" offered by the Turbo's CD-ROM drive.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 12, 2012, 05:55:27 PM
Bet you $50 that all those arguments taking place are just Nintega using his multiple accounts to argue with himself. :P


hahahhahahahahahahahahahhaa. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)
Title: Re: Game Snack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 12, 2012, 06:12:22 PM
Almost as entertaining as the episode itself is watching the Genesis fans come out of the woodwork in the comments section and start complaining how it's "not fair" to compare the Turbo port of Forgotten Worlds to the "early release" Genesis port. Not only that, but the Turbo port is "hundreds of megs" because it's on CD-ROM and must also take advantage of the "CPU upgrades" offered by the Turbo's CD-ROM drive.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 15, 2012, 04:45:47 AM
Game Sack mini-infomercial
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 15, 2012, 06:30:43 PM
Game Sack mini-infomercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLtEAvdLgM


Gold!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 17, 2012, 07:13:32 PM
Game Sack mini-infomercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLtEAvdLgM



(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 18, 2012, 02:12:49 AM
I like the 1993 EGM video game buyers guide on Joe's desk.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 18, 2012, 03:56:54 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nat on March 18, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
Why is it some YouTube videos are unable to load fast enough to avoid buffering every 6 seconds? This is the first time I've had this problem with a GameSack episode, but I've had it before with other stuff. No, it's not my connection, I have Comcast super-duper-explosive high speed broadband. It's something within YouTube that causes it, and it's only certain videos (but always the same ones).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 18, 2012, 04:17:45 PM
This one doesn't do it for me.  Could be your local Comcast Youtube cache not catching up or some shit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 18, 2012, 04:54:51 PM
Enjoyed this episode, especially with the Alex Kidd stuff. I've never played Alex Kidd in Shinobi World and as a huge Shinobi fan I'm off to buy a copy right now. Damn you Game Sack!! Spending all of my money!!

Also, if you are talking about games that never left Japan, Megumi Rescue for the Mark III/SMS is a freaking awesome game. You need the paddle controller to play it, but I'd say it's worth picking up just for this one. Been so addicted to it lately. You are an acrobat saving people from a burning building with cheerful music playing in the background, but what's great is that if you aren't fast enough the people fall to their deaths, turning into skeletons below, but as long as you survive it just means a slightly lower score for you. And also what's funny is how they decide the point value of the various people you save. An old lady, gangster, or junior high school student are only worth 100 points each, where as aerobics instructors, nurses, sumo wrestlers, or even cats are worth far more. So when you have to choose between two people falling to their gory deaths, you have to consider who is a more valuable human being. Interesting social commentary! Plus all of the stages are different, the difficulty ramps up perfectly, there are tons of different items to help you along the way, and the colorful graphics are great. One of my favorite Mark III exclusives!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 18, 2012, 05:21:43 PM
Super Mario World was the first game I played on the SNES. But, Actraiser was the first game for the system I fell in love with! I got it shortly after its release and I still have my original copy. Wish I still had my box and manual though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 19, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
I greatly dislike Megumi Rescue.  It has so many gameplay flaws.  Maybe if I were older and gaming during the Colecovision days I could appreciate it more.  Game MUST be played on MUTE.  Really interesting that you mentioned it, though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 19, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
I dunno, I just found it to be a really fun little game, but the paddle control really makes it for me. The control is spot on and once you figure out the physics it's pretty easy to control where you go. I don't mind the music/sounds that much, and think they are pretty funny actually. Cleared the game last night, and it's pretty damn easy if you abuse the fact that you can mine for items/1-ups but just spamming one of the lower windows. The last couple levels are awesome though! Definitely not a complicated game, but the strange violence mixed with the cheery atmosphere is the main reason I like it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 19, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
Been so addicted to it lately. You are an acrobat saving people from a burning building with cheerful music playing in the background, but what's great is that if you aren't fast enough the people fall to their deaths, turning into skeletons below, but as long as you survive it just means a slightly lower score for you. And also what's funny is how they decide the point value of the various people you save. An old lady, gangster, or junior high school student are only worth 100 points each, where as aerobics instructors, nurses, sumo wrestlers, or even cats are worth far more. So when you have to choose between two people falling to their gory deaths, you have to consider who is a more valuable human being. Interesting social commentary! Plus all of the stages are different, the difficulty ramps up perfectly, there are tons of different items to help you along the way, and the colorful graphics are great. One of my favorite Mark III exclusives!


(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/cooks_transb.gif) Cook has always valued cats over humans.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 19, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
I want to like it.  I was thrown off by the vertical scrolling, can't see your dudes.  And I can't go to the edge of the screen otherwise I pop out the other side.  And that noise when the stage starts pretty much destroyed my neighborhood.  I did get to stage 3 yesterday but now I can't get past stage 2.  My dude just keeps bouncing and bouncing and I can't get his ass over to the last hostage.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 19, 2012, 11:25:26 PM
Well that's kind of the challenge, you have to keep a mental note of where you dudes are and be ready to catch your hero when he comes down. There's actually a little radar on the right side of the screen that tells you where they are, but I've never used it. It gets even tougher in the later stages when the buildings are much higher,the speed doubles, and people are falling one after another. You sort of enter this zen matrix mode where you are catching people without even seeing what you are doing (you can tell by the sound effects). But generally the best strategy is to let them die and just concentrating on surviving yourself. Eventually you'll get better at controlling your dude. Depending on which pixel he hits on your net he will fly at a certain angle in the opposite direction, or if you have the big net, straight up, which is very useful. Popping out the other side when you go to the edge is weird though. Doesn't happen on my copy. Maybe it has to do with your controller? Weird.

There are helicopter and key items hidden in specific locations. If you can get the key or the helicopter (which you have to catch when it comes) the stage will end, and you will go to a bonus stage if you get the 'choppa (with a possibility of a 1up). Also if you can get the net upgrade (looks like a plate) you will get a bigger net which helps a lot. Haven't found many of the key/heli locations after stage 15 yet (there are 30 stages in all) but I'm thinking about writing a FAQ for this game as I've made a note of lot of their locations.

For example, there is a copter on the second window from the left and in the very middle in very top row in stage 1 (you have to save the people first), a key on the very left of the top in stage 2, a copter one from the right in the top row in stage 3, a key in the middle of the top row on stage 4, etc.

But yeah, I agree the opening/ending siren sounds are quite annoying. But I love the sound effect for bodies hitting the street, so it kind of balances out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 20, 2012, 12:38:35 AM
Well that's kind of the challenge, you have to keep a mental note of where you dudes are and be ready to catch your hero when he comes down. There's actually a little radar on the right side of the screen that tells you where they are, but I've never used it. It gets even tougher in the later stages when the buildings are much higher,the speed doubles, and people are falling one after another. You sort of enter this zen matrix mode where you are catching people without even seeing what you are doing (you can tell by the sound effects). But generally the best strategy is to let them die and just concentrating on surviving yourself. Eventually you'll get better at controlling your dude. Depending on which pixel he hits on your net he will fly at a certain angle in the opposite direction, or if you have the big net, straight up, which is very useful. Popping out the other side when you go to the edge is weird though. Doesn't happen on my copy. Maybe it has to do with your controller? Weird.

There are helicopter and key items hidden in specific locations. If you can get the key or the helicopter (which you have to catch when it comes) the stage will end, and you will go to a bonus stage if you get the 'choppa (with a possibility of a 1up). Also if you can get the net upgrade (looks like a plate) you will get a bigger net which helps a lot. Haven't found many of the key/heli locations after stage 15 yet (there are 30 stages in all) but I'm thinking about writing a FAQ for this game as I've made a note of lot of their locations.

For example, there is a copter on the second window from the left and in the very middle in very top row in stage 1 (you have to save the people first), a key on the very left of the top in stage 2, a copter one from the right in the top row in stage 3, a key in the middle of the top row on stage 4, etc.

But yeah, I agree the opening/ending siren sounds are quite annoying. But I love the sound effect for bodies hitting the street, so it kind of balances out.

You have to write something up about this game. I had never heard of it prior to your post, and now I want to check it out for myself.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on March 20, 2012, 04:38:08 AM
Why is it some YouTube videos are unable to load fast enough to avoid buffering every 6 seconds? This is the first time I've had this problem with a GameSack episode, but I've had it before with other stuff. No, it's not my connection, I have Comcast super-duper-explosive high speed broadband. It's something within YouTube that causes it, and it's only certain videos (but always the same ones).

You're not alone. I have a 18 mbps pipe here and can literally download a high res divx movie faster than I can load a 720p half hour Youtube video. I'm wondering if the isp throttles Youtube traffic.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on March 20, 2012, 07:54:56 AM
Nice episode!
I know I had my hopes up but maybe the next one can be the CDi episode we've all been waiting for.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on March 20, 2012, 08:29:58 AM
Nice episode!
I know I had my hopes up but maybe the next one can be the CDi episode we've all been waiting for.

Biggest sad face ever......   ugh.... lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on March 20, 2012, 09:49:09 AM
I have had the same problem with some Youtube videos, including this week's Game Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 21, 2012, 01:52:47 AM
...maybe the next one can be the CDi episode PunkicCyborg has been waiting for.
Corrected.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 21, 2012, 10:20:25 AM
...maybe the next one can be the CDi episode PunkicCyborg and esteban have been lusting waiting for.

Corrected.



Corrected.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 25, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
New episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on March 25, 2012, 04:06:07 PM
Nice, you covered Megumi Rescue!  :D The control did look a little twitchy, although playable as you mentioned.
Sengoku Blaeade also got some much needed love. That game is just too much fun and has some amazing graphics.

But as usual I'm off to buy a couple new games now... Always passed on Keio's Flying Squadron 2 because they changed it to a platformer, but it looks pretty fun to me so I'll give it a shot. And I think I had the same experience as you with Devil Hunter Yoko when I played it a long time ago. I didn't know about that shield attack and just got my ass beat hard on the first level or two. Might have to go pick it up too! Damn you guys and your informative game reviews!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on March 25, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
Great video.  FYI, Three Wonders can also be found on Capcom Classics Collection 2 (I have it for the PS2 but it might have come out on other systems), along with some other awesome games (Sidearms, Strider, Street Fighter 2 Turbo...). I think I picked my used copy up from GS for for something like $8. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: td741 on March 26, 2012, 01:58:43 AM
<Whiny Nitpick>Three Wonders was available in North America... in Arcades</Whiny Nitpick> :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 27, 2012, 03:20:04 AM
along with some other awesome games (Sidearms, Strider, Street Fighter 2 Turbo...).

Looking at you TurboFan.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on March 27, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
...maybe the next one can be the CDi episode PunkicCyborg, esteban and BlueBMW have been begging lusting waiting for.
Corrected.


Corrected.


Fix'd

along with some other awesome games (Sidearms, Final Lap Twin, Strider, Street Fighter 2 Turbo...).

Looking at you TurboStar.

And fix'd
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 02, 2012, 03:36:32 AM
No Game Sack today?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 02, 2012, 03:38:08 AM
yeah damn, my day is over soon here, and I hadn't even the regular game sack before hit the sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 02, 2012, 09:15:45 AM
Naw.  Gotta take this week off due to real life.  Back next Sunday.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 02, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
Naw.  Gotta take this week off due to real life.  Back next Sunday.


(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/hany_in_the_sky.png) Hany says, "Aw, shucks!"

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 02, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Damn, I didn't know you guys also have a real life. kinda sucks  :|
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 08, 2012, 03:58:52 PM
New episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 08, 2012, 04:19:33 PM
New episode:

The Nintendo Gamecube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnEvlPo-Xh8)


Wow Joe! You should take that Monkey Ball show on the road!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on April 08, 2012, 05:04:50 PM
Love the Gamecube <3   Its the only system I ever bought on launch day.  Glad to see some Luigis mansion love...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on April 08, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
Damn, Joe's got some mad Monkey Ball skills!!

Never owned a GC myself, but my good friend did and we played HOURS of Monkey Target and the other MB mini-games on it. Monkey Ball (and the sequel) is such an awesome game with so much gameplay packed on one little disc.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 08, 2012, 10:57:57 PM
The Nintendo Gamecube

AM DISAPPOINT :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on April 09, 2012, 12:40:44 AM
Great episode, especially the stop-motion and general "animation" you guys did with that black gamecube was top notch. Not to mention the mad skills in Monkey Ball.

I never heard too much buzz about it but surprisingly many people I know have a GC lying around somewhere.
I've had a weird closet-like affection for it and just last week I bought one myself. Got it the other day...or well, half of it. Thanks to weight, the seller had to split the power & video cords in a separate package :/ It's a little roughed out, well, quite a bit, but if it works then that's okay by me.

There sure is something special in that generation of consoles that tickles my...well, whatever it tickles.
Like, how 3D is finally starting to look real good and colorful since no one had invented that next-generation look yet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on April 09, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
My favorite part of the Gamecube is the Gameboy adapter. :) 9 times out of 10, if I'm turning on my GC, it's to play a GBA game.  There were some good games released for the GC (as illustrated in this episode), but none of the ones I've tried have really captured my attention for very long.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 09, 2012, 07:53:40 AM
My favorite part of the Gamecube is the Gameboy adapter. :) 9 times out of 10, if I'm turning on my GC, it's to play a GBA game.  There were some good games released for the GC (as illustrated in this episode), but none of the ones I've tried have really captured my attention for very long.

If you don't have one yet get a Hori Digital Controller. They are rare and expensive but totally worth it for playing GB and GBA games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on April 09, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
If you don't have one yet get a Hori Digital Controller. They are rare and expensive but totally worth it for playing GB and GBA games.

Wow, those look pretty slick!  I'll keep my eye out for one. 

On a semi related note, I just dug out my old Madcatz RetroCon controller for the PS2.  I remember getting it back when I was playing a lot of emulation on the Dreamcast and used an adapter to hook this controller up.  I never was a big fan of the Dreamcast controller, especially for old 8-big games. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 09, 2012, 10:31:02 AM
The GBA adapter is pretty awesome, but some games look pretty bad blown up.  Gunstar Super Heroes was pretty grainy and bad looking.  I just wish it didn't need a boot disc and had all of the pertinent info built into the GB Player.


AM DISAPPOINT :(


Well too bad for you!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on April 09, 2012, 11:33:09 AM
The GBA adapter is pretty awesome, but some games look pretty bad blown up.  Gunstar Super Heroes was pretty grainy and bad looking.  I just wish it didn't need a boot disc and had all of the pertinent info built into the GB Player.

Yeah, having to run a disc to play GBA games is a pain.  At least they could have made the disc case the same as a normal game case.  It's the once disc that gets the most use for the GC and the game case has a sleeve! Meh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Digi.k on April 09, 2012, 11:48:58 AM
good I enjoyed that episode and didn't feel the need to turn the volume down when you both spoke :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on April 09, 2012, 01:25:31 PM
The GBA adapter is pretty awesome, but some games look pretty bad blown up.  Gunstar Super Heroes was pretty grainy and bad looking.  I just wish it didn't need a boot disc and had all of the pertinent info built into the GB Player.


Well, at least it and the Super Game Boy exists. Where is our Mega Game Gear Adapter SEGA!? Where is it, dammit!!? :evil: I have so many great GG games that I don't have the patience to play on that old washed out screen any more... I'm highly considering doing a consolized Game Gear mod so I can play some of these on the TV.

If these were ever produced in any number I would pay a very large sum for one:

(http://s14.postimage.org/jflujm2r5/download_php.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 09, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: Digi.k
good I enjoyed that episode and didn't feel the need to turn the volume down when you both spoke :P

??? Mastered at the same levels as all of the other episodes.

Quote from: roflmao
At least they could have made the disc case the same as a normal game case.  It's the once disc that gets the most use for the GC and the game case has a sleeve! Meh.

That's how Japanese Gamecube games come.  For once the US got way better box designs than Japan.  Actually I take that back.  The SMS had far better boxes than Japan (not box art, just the boxes).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on April 09, 2012, 11:13:42 PM
Yeah, totally agree with you about the SMS boxes. I usually buy Japanese games because I enjoy the games as they were originally intended, untainted by bad translations and censorship, but the Mark III boxes SUCK. Paper boxes are horrible, really. Luckily I'm not a Nintendo fanboy as I'd drive myself crazy trying to track down and maintain a collection of easily destroyed paper boxes. Give me sturdy clamshell cases any day of the week! They look better, last longer, shelve better, protect manuals better, and are just BETTER.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Colossus1574 on April 10, 2012, 01:06:41 AM
Great episode guys! Couldn't agree more with all the games chosen to be highlighted (but i must make a minor correction, you guys mentioned Smash Bros. being the only fighting game on the CG, but they actually had a SUPER fighter in Capcom vs. SNK 2: EO and also SoulCalibur 2 w/Link exclusive)

I've actually only discovered you're shows today and have been having such an entertaining time catching up on past episodes as you guys have chosen some pretty interesting topics to cover  :clap: Keep up the great work and keep the jokes coming  :D (Rayxambar!!!)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Colossus1574 on April 10, 2012, 01:09:55 AM
oh one more thing...
anybody have any suggestions on where to find cheap Component cables for the GC? all the ones on Ebay are ridiculous... $100+ !?!?!?!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on April 10, 2012, 01:36:11 AM
Great episode guys! Couldn't agree more with all the games chosen to be highlighted (but i must make a minor correction, you guys mentioned Smash Bros. being the only fighting game on the CG, but they actually had a SUPER fighter in Capcom vs. SNK 2: EO and also SoulCalibur 2 w/Link exclusive)

Yeah but I think they were talking about GC exclusives? Those are both multi-platform games (extra characters aside).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on April 10, 2012, 02:58:08 AM
oh one more thing...
anybody have any suggestions on where to find cheap Component cables for the GC? all the ones on Ebay are ridiculous... $100+ !?!?!?!

I'd be interested in knowing this as well.  I'm tempted to pick up a Wii so I can play GC games in progressive. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on April 10, 2012, 05:23:36 AM
...you guys mentioned Smash Bros. being the only fighting game on the CG, but they actually had a SUPER fighter in Capcom vs. SNK 2: EO and also SoulCalibur 2 w/Link exclusive)
I caught that also BUT the Sack Bros where making a comment on the fighters that did not come out rather than Smash was the only fighter. And quite frankly EO version of CvS2 is ass, PS2 was the standard.

Another quality ep guys!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 10, 2012, 02:57:46 PM

AM DISAPPOINT :(


Well too bad for you!

Oh the shows quality was good (probably one of the best so far), just I was looking forward to see something different than ..the.. Nintendo Game Cube, at that night.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 12, 2012, 01:33:42 AM


I'd be interested in knowing this as well.  I'm tempted to pick up a Wii so I can play GC games in progressive. :D

Those component cables were only produced for a short amount of time (just like the component capable hardware). That's why they're so expensive, and I'm not aware of any third party cables having been made. Considering the Wii is backwards compatible the need for those cables isn't super high.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Colossus1574 on April 12, 2012, 09:40:52 AM
...you guys mentioned Smash Bros. being the only fighting game on the CG, but they actually had a SUPER fighter in Capcom vs. SNK 2: EO and also SoulCalibur 2 w/Link exclusive)
I caught that also BUT the Sack Bros where making a comment on the fighters that did not come out rather than Smash was the only fighter. And quite frankly EO version of CvS2 is ass, PS2 was the standard.

Another quality ep guys!

Being the gamecube/nintendo, there wasn't much chance of any fighting game showing up on the GC that would be exclusive...the only thing would've been a KICKASS sequel of KILLER INSTINCT if Rare decided to continue on with the series... :evil:
I think the CvS2 itself for the GC is fine...just kinda laughable they had to provide an "easy operation" mode to overcome their fight unfriendly controllers...and yes, i agree with u on the ps2 ver. That's one i got and we played that game to death, dunno how many man hours logged in on that thing...



I'd be interested in knowing this as well.  I'm tempted to pick up a Wii so I can play GC games in progressive. :D

Those component cables were only produced for a short amount of time (just like the component capable hardware). That's why they're so expensive, and I'm not aware of any third party cables having been made. Considering the Wii is backwards compatible the need for those cables isn't super high.

Yah, i heard they killed off the component ports in the later releases cause some stupid head at Nintendo said only a small % of their players used it...considering their marketshare was of the younger variety who weren't videophiles i guess it's not a surprise. Sadly, i just want to hook it back up to my Plasma to play the exclusives RE:1 and RE:0  ](*,)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 12, 2012, 11:44:57 AM
I picked up my component cable on Amazon about three years ago for about $80.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 12, 2012, 11:50:44 AM
I picked up my component cable on Amazon about three years ago for about $80.


I picked up my Gamecube component cables from Tatsujin's trash bin in Switzerland 6 years ago. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 15, 2012, 03:20:39 PM
This week we take a look at two series:
Title: Re: Game Snack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 15, 2012, 03:22:32 PM
oh, looks like at least 50% fun inside :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on April 15, 2012, 03:38:06 PM
CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i! CD-i!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 15, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
Aside from the music the thing that impresses me the most about the entire DKC franchise is the backgrounds. So many layers of parallax with some BGs (like the water stages) appearing to even line-scroll! Gorgeous!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 15, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
It's the SNES, it has four independend layers to display. and with some added h-sync stuff you can make cool parallax stuff. I agree that DKC had nice graphx here and there, but I never got into its overal style and gameplay.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 15, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
oh, looks like at least 50% fun inside :)


(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/cooks_transb.gif) Cooks knows that 50% Valis = 200% awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 22, 2012, 03:56:57 PM
New episode-
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 22, 2012, 05:04:42 PM
I lol'd at Beast Wrestler
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 22, 2012, 05:57:11 PM
lol, so watchin' this tonite :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on April 22, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
Hey, what did you use to make the Japanese voice clips at the end? I was surprised at how accurate they were.

Nice episode, by the way. I actually kind of want to try Jewel Master now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on April 23, 2012, 01:29:28 AM
Nice episode =). I agree about Jewel Master- it is less than the sum of its parts. And I'm glad to see Ernest Evans as well- the controls in that game are among the worst of all time. If you decide to do an episode on bad US Genesis games, the EA floodgates will open wide.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on April 23, 2012, 03:31:54 AM
Nice episode! And it's good for you guys to focus on bad games from time to time because it saves me money. Pretty much every episode where you review GOOD games I inevitably go out and buy one or two. But now I'll know to avoid a few of the titles here that I was considering picking up at some point as I generally agree with you guys and with the titles I have played/owned that you reviewed this time around.

The only title you mentioned that I enjoy playing from time to time is Fatal Labyrinth, but I would agree that the game worked much better as a Game Gear title. It's great for short bursts but you can't really sit down and play it for too long as the game is so short and simple. I would have liked to see an updated version for the MD with more areas, enemies, weapons/spells, etc., as I enjoy Rouge-likes a lot and they can be really fun when done right, at least for me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 23, 2012, 06:12:38 AM
I'm glad to see Earnest Evans on there, I picked it up as a kid since it was related to El Viento. I was immensely disappointed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on April 23, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
There's no such thing as a bad Genesis game  :lol:

I got Shadow Blasters a while ago and man that game sucked. I guess some people like it though...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 23, 2012, 10:41:29 AM
I kind of like Shadow Blasters.  Keranu loves it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on April 23, 2012, 11:03:21 AM
Saint Sword would have fit in this episode

**edit:typo**
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 23, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
That's another one I was thinking about.  It's kind of stiff but somewhat enjoyable.  I would have put it in there before Jewel Master but I can't control what Dave chooses.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on April 23, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
That's another one I was thinking about.  It's kind of stiff but somewhat enjoyable.  I would have put it in there before Jewel Master but I can't control what Dave chooses.
The awesome and weird box art for Saint Sword redeems the games crappiness. I kinda like the game too but it's nothing special
Title: Re: Game Snack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 23, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
Damn, missed to watch it yesterday :( but sure will today, since I will stay in a hotel and have nothing else to do than watching movies and stuff :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 23, 2012, 05:26:40 PM
Finding the title on Saint Sword's box is almost like a Where's Waldo search.  Not a good design for retail purposes.  Customer: "Hey do you guys have Saint Sword?"  Employee looks "I don't see it hanging on the wall anywhere, do you?  Customer:  "No, guess not.  Maybe I'll buy Awesome Possum instead!"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 23, 2012, 11:53:13 PM
Lol, you have put up about half of any ported MD games in that show. And yeah as Sam already had asked, howdid you created that Japanese call at the end? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on April 24, 2012, 03:06:22 AM
"controversial...someone is bound to like some of these games..." -True! Like a$$holes, everyone has an opinion. I have some opposing views on some of the choices. I will not bother to mention them...

"lolly pops and cuddly puppies" = lols
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 24, 2012, 06:06:49 AM
Like a$$holes, everyone has an opinion.
LOL? :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 24, 2012, 09:24:01 PM
He means "Opinions are like a$$holes... everyone has one".  But I think I like his version better.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 24, 2012, 09:44:38 PM
Yeah i figured it comes from the harry quote.
Btw, pls reply to our question asap :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Colossus1574 on April 25, 2012, 09:35:10 AM
Great episode highlighting all the crap on the Genny, so glad i skipped Earnest Evans...man, what a sad ass effort next to El Viento!
...... :lol:
....
one man's garbage is another man's treasure.

I actually enjoyed Cap & The Avengers (a decent arcade port), Galaxy Force 2, and Last Battle (only because i knew the Japanese one is Fist of the North Star) they did screw this one up on US/Can shores...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 25, 2012, 11:00:16 AM
Tats, I'll answer if you can give me a translation of what is said.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 06, 2012, 03:40:39 PM
Newest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on May 06, 2012, 03:55:42 PM
Newest episode:

The Sega Dreamcast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1UHdcNZVJA)


Just watched it.  Nice one.  I have actually been thinking about getting one of these. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 06, 2012, 04:19:29 PM
Newest episode:

The Sega Dreamcast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1UHdcNZVJA)


Just watched it.  Nice one.  I have actually been thinking about getting one of these. 


What??? You don't own a DC??? Bad, Bernie! Bad! Go get one. Now!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 06, 2012, 04:28:00 PM
do you have a DC?
no you don't have a DC.
get you a DC!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 06, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
It's an amazing system, marred (imo) by a controller that is uncomfortable after extended use and a really loud disc drive.  Of course I jumped all over it when it was released, as I did when the Turbografx-16 was released.   :?  Hooray for supporting the underdog.

I spent countless hours in college playing Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur, Phantasy Star Online, Shenmue, and Skies of Arcadia.  It really was ahead of its time.  And who could forget Bleemcast!  Playing Gran Turismo 2 on the Dreamcast was bittersweet, as I remember the magazine ads saying you'd be able to play nearly any PS1 game on the DC.  It still kicked ass though.  I only wish I had picked up the other Bleemcast discs (I remember there was at least a Metal Gear Solid one).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 06, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
I was never able to play Bleemcast. I think it was banned before it came out in this part of the country or something, or maybe it was mail order only here.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 06, 2012, 04:50:26 PM
Surprisingly, after a quick ebay search, the Bleemcast discs don't go for very much right now.  I just picked up the Metal Gear Solid one for $10 shipped.  Of course you still need the original PS1 game as well.

It looks like they released Bleemcast discs for Gran Turismo 2, Tekken 3, and Metal Gear Solid.  It's too bad they weren't able to release one disc, as originally intended, that would play most of the PS1 library.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 06, 2012, 04:52:07 PM
I remember seeing Bleemcast! for sale at my local Electronics Boutique back in the day.   

...I really miss that store.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 06, 2012, 05:29:37 PM
it's more of a blamecast.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 06, 2012, 05:47:51 PM
I remember seeing Bleemcast! for sale at my local Electronics Boutique back in the day.   

...I really miss that store.

Me too. :(  That's where I got my GT Bleemcast! disc (I think it works for both GT1 and GT2 but I sold GT1 bitd when GT2 came out).  It came in a cardboard sleeve and was sitting on the counter.

I miss those days.  I think that same store sold me a used Dragonforce for the Saturn and Super Mario RPG for the SNES.  Oh, the memories.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on May 07, 2012, 12:00:06 AM
I got rid of my DC.  It was fun for awhile, but the exclusives didn't have much lasting power.  Most of the games I truly liked ended up getting upgrades on other systems.  I still have a few games floating around, but it's been years since I've had a system.  Ironically I do still have an official VGA box and a nice 3rd party japanese RGB cable as well since those are hard to replace.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 07, 2012, 12:06:17 AM
I was never able to play Bleemcast. I think it was banned before it came out in this part of the country or something, or maybe it was mail order only here.

It came out, but they released "packs" which would allow you to play particular games rather than an "all in one" emulator.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on May 07, 2012, 05:02:36 AM
Nice episode, I don't mind waiting if this is the reward. I never owned a N64 because, SEGA kid as I was, I was looking forward to that sleek beast. Although being impressed by it, my friends never bought one and skipped to the PS2 instead I guess. Mine still works, but control ports are a bit wonky. Considering how much I loved system, it's alarmingly under represented in my collection, which is weird.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 08, 2012, 06:18:58 AM
I think the Dreamcast is one of my favorite, if not my favorite, systems. I spent time with those games. I was invested. There was a lot of creative product that simply hasn't been out any where else in the same form. Lots of games have had sequels or remakes, but the DC versions remain the best of those titles.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Colossus1574 on May 08, 2012, 05:43:59 PM
Yep, DC was too short lived unfortunately...I do think the piracy did some damage on software sales,  poor move on Sega's staff during the design stage.
I also think it got hurt pretty bad by not having a built in DVD player which probably helped the ol' PS2 sell hella alot more units. Now it would be unfathomable for Sega to even think of getting back into the console market  :cry:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SMF on May 08, 2012, 06:08:39 PM
I love my Dreamcast. Got one when it first came out loved the hell out of the 2K sports and Marvel vs Capcoms also if you only ever played Shenmu on xbox you should go bash your head inro a wall lol. But I do remember playing GTA2 and Seaman lol. Seaman was cool I got him to move the dam rock and grow legs and walk then the bastard died on me lol.

I have Nintendo emulator discs for DC use. Gameboy, Nes and snes. Everygame ever released in all if I'm not mistaken. If I remember correctly you loaded the startup discthen after the load screen came up you tossed in the other disc. Ahhhhh yes memories.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 08, 2012, 06:10:31 PM
Here is an excellent (and extremely long) read of the history of the Dreamcast. This is just one part of an entire series of write-ups detailing the history of SEGA.

http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=SegaBase+Dreamcast&bl=y
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 08, 2012, 06:30:40 PM
You know, a lot of folks like to speculate that piracy damaged the DC's market presence, but the DC was market viable for such a short time, and on the decline so quickly, that I don't think the poor-quality and over-complicated pirate copies available at the time could really have damaged the system's market presence in any real way. By the time DC ISOs were widespread and didn't require a separate bootloader disc, the DC's future was no longer a question but a certainty. I haven't seen any data on piracy and the Dreamcast, only off-the-cuff speculation, and I don't put any stock in the speculation.

I would go so far as to suggest that the Dreamcast's failure had everything to do with Japan and very little to do with the US, much more a mirror of the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive days than the Saturn. Despite the failure of the Saturn in the US, the Saturn made Sega a lot of money in the home country. Unfortunately, Sega of Japan spent money propping up Sega USA. They also hung on too long on arcade titles alone before releasing the Dreamcast. By the time the Dreamcast was released Sega had been in debt for some time.

In truth, I don't fully understand why the Dreamcast did so badly on release in Japan. There were only a couple titles, true. And yes, the Playstation won Sony a great deal of loyalty, but the Saturn was well-loved by the Japanese as well despite Sega's trouble selling them on the Mega Drive. The fact that the Playstation continued to be supported as the Saturn disappeared from view hurt Sega, I suppose. But considering how affordable and well-designed the Dreamcast was, I still have trouble understanding why the public took so little interest, especially given how well many Naomi-based games were doing in arcades. Some have speculated that DVD player penetration was so low in Japan that everyone was waiting for the PS2 instead of buying either a DVD player or a new video game system. That argument is the best I've heard.

In the US the Dreamcast was kicking ass, despite no EA, and by the time the PS2 came out there were affordable DVD players that didn't suffer from many of the playback errors the PS2 did. Somehow, Sega USA was unable to save Sega Japan, despite finally getting everything right. Many of the best games were translated and brought over and US and European devs were well-represented. As far as I'm concerned, Sega USA did the Dreamcast release as well as the Mega Drive release, and it frustrates me that there was no way to capitalize on that momentum due to Sega of Japan's troubles.

Mathius, I find the Eidolon's Inn articles to be interesting, but lacking in references and fact-checking. The Saturn article is distinctly opinionated in places and hard to take seriously, despite containing some rather valuable insights. I'll need to read the Dreamcast one more fully, but I would be wary accepting it as a reliable source.

And now that I'm on page 3, they've already bungled a huge amount of important technical data. I can only assume the corporate politics stuff is within the realm of being correct, but the technical information they throw around in that piece is way off base in a number of important places.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 08, 2012, 06:35:48 PM
I still have Seaman but never got that far.  The little bugger pissed me off and I let him die.  :P

For some reason I must have some aversion to Sega systems regularly connected to my TVs.  For the past year or so, the only Sega system connected to one of my TVs for any real length of time has been the Genesis.  The Saturn, Dreamcast and Master System have all had brief periods, but they always end up boxed up in my office again.  This discussion has really tempted me to get the Dreamcast back out. Now I really want to start up Seaman again. I bet my 4-yr old would get a kick out of him.  And I'd love to play Skies of Arcadia again. And Crazy Taxi.  And Soul Calibur.  And Shenmue.  Aw dang....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Colossus1574 on May 08, 2012, 08:23:15 PM

This discussion has really tempted me to get the Dreamcast back out. Now I really want to start up Seaman again. I bet my 4-yr old would get a kick out of him.  And I'd love to play Skies of Arcadia again. And Crazy Taxi.  And Soul Calibur.  And Shenmue.  Aw dang....

That's what these great threads are for aren't they? Bringing back fun memories and good times!
Dust it off buddy, dust it off  :D

But on a serious note, Dreamcast deserved a much much longer life, from a company responsible for so many historical games they deserved better  :cry:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on May 09, 2012, 03:46:27 AM
I think the Dreamcast and the PCE have a lot in common when you focus on the systems themselves.

Both are very sensibly designed for their times, even if they were left underpowered when competition came around in later years. Both took processing that their predecessors seemed to be struggling to just barely pulling off - action-heavy scrolling 2D and textured/shaded 3D - and made them happen with ease. Both had totally decent software libraries, but didn't quite get that killer app that everyone had to play.

The biggest difference would have to be the marketing - Sega did about as well as could be expected by that time, but NEC America's approach was so bad, it arguably kept the PCE from really even getting a foothold in the States.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 09, 2012, 04:24:08 AM
Mathius, I find the Eidolon's Inn articles to be interesting, but lacking in references and fact-checking. The Saturn article is distinctly opinionated in places and hard to take seriously, despite containing some rather valuable insights. I'll need to read the Dreamcast one more fully, but I would be wary accepting it as a reliable source.

And now that I'm on page 3, they've already bungled a huge amount of important technical data. I can only assume the corporate politics stuff is within the realm of being correct, but the technical information they throw around in that piece is way off base in a number of important places.

What technical info did they screw up? I'm just wondering. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2012, 05:35:26 AM
You know, a lot of folks like to speculate that piracy damaged the DC's market presence, but the DC was market viable for such a short time, and on the decline so quickly, that I don't think the poor-quality and over-complicated pirate copies available at the time could really have damaged the system's market presence in any real way. By the time DC ISOs were widespread and didn't require a separate bootloader disc, the DC's future was no longer a question but a certainty. I haven't seen any data on piracy and the Dreamcast, only off-the-cuff speculation, and I don't put any stock in the speculation.

I started working for a video game mag in May of 2000, I can tell you within a few weeks of that Utopia boot disc hitting the internet, just in my talking to third party publishers (discussing ads, promotional copies of their games and other matters) almost every third party company I spoke to who was or had interest in publishing for Dreamcast mentioned that their interest in continuing to do so had waned substantially after discovering how easily pirate copies could be obtained of Dreamcast games.

While it didn't have an immediate effect, it made product managers think twice about investing into Dreamcast development, or licensing Japanese Dreamcast titles for the future. Within 6 months of that disc coming out the hardware was discontinued, the two aren't directly related but even if the Dreamcast had sold what Sega wanted to keep it going (I think their goal was 7 million units by January 2001) the piracy without modifying your system issue would have wreaked havoc on the system in the future causing it to only last another year on the mass market if that.

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In the US the Dreamcast was kicking ass, despite no EA, and by the time the PS2 came out there were affordable DVD players that didn't suffer from many of the playback errors the PS2 did. Somehow, Sega USA was unable to save Sega Japan, despite finally getting everything right. Many of the best games were translated and brought over and US and European devs were well-represented. As far as I'm concerned, Sega USA did the Dreamcast release as well as the Mega Drive release, and it frustrates me that there was no way to capitalize on that momentum due to Sega of Japan's troubles.

It wasn't selling that well in the US. This is a bit of an exaggeration. They had only sold just over 5 million Dreamcasts globally by January of 2001 when they began plans to discontinue manufacturing hardware, this was despite having manufactured twice as many systems as they had actually sold to the public. The Dreamcast wasn't a total failure in the US, but it wasn't like it was a monster hit that was only being held back in Japan. Sega had to push through numerous price drops while selling the system at a loss to even get to the five million sold mark. Even the 199.99 launch price was set at a loss, simply put it wasn't just Sega of Japan that was having issues with it. Sega of America was losing money as well, even if they were moving more units than in Japan.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on May 09, 2012, 07:05:46 AM
I would go so far as to suggest that the Dreamcast's failure had everything to do with Japan and very little to do with the US, much more a mirror of the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive days than the Saturn. Despite the failure of the Saturn in the US, the Saturn made Sega a lot of money in the home country. Unfortunately, Sega of Japan spent money propping up Sega USA. They also hung on too long on arcade titles alone before releasing the Dreamcast. By the time the Dreamcast was released Sega had been in debt for some time.

I had a day-one Dreamcast reserved and purchased on 9/9/99; I still have never been as happy with a day one console as I was with the DC - Sonic Adventure and Soul Calibur in the launch lineup was just incredible. Soul Calibur graphically still holds up today amazingly. The game is just gorgeous.

I took Japanese in High School, and senior year (back in late '99 early 2000) my teacher took our wishlists back home to Japan for Christmas and brought us back goodies - for me it was a copy of Vampire Savior for the Saturn and a couple issues of Famitsu, one of which contained reviews of the DC launch titles over there. The titles were pretty universally given mediocre reviews (Sonic adventure got a decent review, but VF3 and others got panned fairly badly). Admittedly the JP launch lineup was really weak compared to the US launch, but I lost faith in Famitsu after watching them give perfect reviews to the usual batch of overrated Square / Enix / Sony dreck that came out over there.

I never really remember the exact point at which the DC started to die out in the US - the last couple "new" games I bought were sophomore year in college (fast forward now to about 2002). By the time 2002 was coming to a close I started seeing stock getting cleared out - almost everything was available for $10-20 sealed (a lot of which I wish I would have picked up at the time!). I remember getting a sealed Shenmue and SF3: Third Strike for $5 each at EB Games. Basically once the PS2 hit the streets the gig was up.

As a lifelong Sega apologist and fan, I have to say that all things considered the DC was my favorite console of all time. It just did so many things right, was designed well, and to me was the last true enthusiast console. I don't think we'll see anything like it ever again.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 07:24:17 AM
Mathius, I find the Eidolon's Inn articles to be interesting, but lacking in references and fact-checking. The Saturn article is distinctly opinionated in places and hard to take seriously, despite containing some rather valuable insights. I'll need to read the Dreamcast one more fully, but I would be wary accepting it as a reliable source.

And now that I'm on page 3, they've already bungled a huge amount of important technical data. I can only assume the corporate politics stuff is within the realm of being correct, but the technical information they throw around in that piece is way off base in a number of important places.

What technical info did they screw up? I'm just wondering. :)

Well, at one point they claim that both the Dural and Katana prototypes were based on 128-bit CPUs, which is not correct. The PowerVR GPU could be called 128-bit, but there was no 128-bit anything in the Dural proto. Both systems had 32-bit CPUs. They also claim on page 1 that Yamaha provided 64-bit 3D sound. As far as I know, the Dreamcast used 16-bit audio, just like almost everybody else STILL does.

Further, the hyperbole is annoying. Allow me to quote... "literally eye-popping graphics"  I know what literally means. It is synonymous with actually. And yet, I don't know anyone who's eyes were popped by the Dreamcast's graphics.

There's some good info in there, but you have to tease it out from the bad writing, hyperbole, and blatant speculation.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on May 09, 2012, 07:39:13 AM
He certainly spends a lot of time talking about "crap programmers" doesn't he?

The stuff on Sonic Xtreme is 90% old rumors that interviews have since been dispelled.

I believe the Saturn can do texturing and lightshading in hardware.

Basically the only programmers who swore that the Saturn was a beautiful box of wonder that nobody was properly tapping were people working at or closely with Sega. Others, including the programmer of Saturn Quake (perhaps the single most polygon-heavy Saturn game) said that its architecture is stupid for 3D games, and that the Playstation is way faster at 3D drawing anyway.

He's also got to be taking liberties and making assumptions when he writes about the goings-on between the Sega executives. The only way he could know some of that stuff is if he was there himself.

Sega-16's interview with Tom Kalinski is a much better choice to understand Sega history.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 07:41:52 AM
I started working for a video game mag in May of 2000, I can tell you within a few weeks of that Utopia boot disc hitting the internet, just in my talking to third party publishers (discussing ads, promotional copies of their games and other matters) almost every third party company I spoke to who was or had interest in publishing for Dreamcast mentioned that their interest in continuing to do so had waned substantially after discovering how easily pirate copies could be obtained of Dreamcast games.

While it didn't have an immediate effect, it made product managers think twice about investing into Dreamcast development, or licensing Japanese Dreamcast titles for the future. Within 6 months of that disc coming out the hardware was discontinued, the two aren't directly related but even if the Dreamcast had sold what Sega wanted to keep it going (I think their goal was 7 million units by January 2001) the piracy without modifying your system issue would have wreaked havoc on the system in the future causing it to only last another year on the mass market if that.

Well, a later hardware revision killed the ability to play burns, so that problem got solved. Any new systems entering the market would share this. And I can't help but wonder if what publishers said was something of an excuse. The PS2 was looming and devs were throwing their efforts behind that. It didn't help that the PS2 was a real pain to develop for if you wanted to actually tap the power of the PS2.


It wasn't selling that well in the US. This is a bit of an exaggeration. They had only sold just over 5 million Dreamcasts globally by January of 2001 when they began plans to discontinue manufacturing hardware, this was despite having manufactured twice as many systems as they had actually sold to the public. The Dreamcast wasn't a total failure in the US, but it wasn't like it was a monster hit that was only being held back in Japan. Sega had to push through numerous price drops while selling the system at a loss to even get to the five million sold mark. Even the 199.99 launch price was set at a loss, simply put it wasn't just Sega of Japan that was having issues with it. Sega of America was losing money as well, even if they were moving more units than in Japan.

Yes, Sega of Japan was indeed losing money. They built little profit into the hardware. I think over the lifespan of the system, 5 million consoles were sold in the US. That's not chump change. Sega didn't lower the price on the Dreamcast until right before the PS2 was due, so they hung onto the $199 price point as long as they could. The only reason the Dreamcast wasn't a stronger success at launch was persistent manufacturing problems. In the US, software titles were moving pretty briskly as well.

I stand by that statement. Dreamcast sales were excellent in the US until the PS2 came out, and Dreamcast sales held up surprisingly well even after the PS2 was out until all the software devs jumped ship and Sega discontinued the hardware. If Sega US was in debt, it was at least partially inherited from Japan, and not for a lack of hardware and software sales.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2012, 08:24:32 AM

Yes, Sega of Japan was indeed losing money. They built little profit into the hardware. I think over the lifespan of the system, 5 million consoles were sold in the US.


By the time they discontinued the system only a little over 5 million were sold globally. It wasn't 5 million sold in the US by that point.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2012, 08:27:57 AM
Well, a later hardware revision killed the ability to play burns, so that problem got solved. Any new systems entering the market would share this. And I can't help but wonder if what publishers said was something of an excuse. The PS2 was looming and devs were throwing their efforts behind that. It didn't help that the PS2 was a real pain to develop for if you wanted to actually tap the power of the PS2.

Oh also I wanted to point this out.

It didn't get solved because 90% of the units produced and in circulation could play burned games. It definitely wasn't an excuse, there were lots of product managers who feared for their jobs because of the possibility that a game they were in charge of would sell significantly less than projections due to people being easily able to spend 2.00 on CDRs and bootleg their game thus having little incentive to purchase it. When decisions were made regarding whether or not to port products to Dreamcast, this was a serious worry from publishers I talked to. The fact that Dreamcast piracy required no mod chip, no swap trick requiring a spring or a string or tape and simply required putting one disc in, waiting then putting in the copy, and could be done with an inexpensive PC and a CD burner made it a serious risk for investing in further publishing and development in.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: emu002 on May 09, 2012, 08:31:45 AM
Another great episode guys - i really enjoy your show

I can't decide if the Dreamcast or Neo Geo is my favourite system
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 08:51:17 AM

Yes, Sega of Japan was indeed losing money. They built little profit into the hardware. I think over the lifespan of the system, 5 million consoles were sold in the US.


By the time they discontinued the system only a little over 5 million were sold globally. It wasn't 5 million sold in the US by that point.

If you know where I can see this more detailed sales data, please share. I've been unable to find more detailed breakdowns.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2012, 08:55:21 AM

If you know where I can see this more detailed sales data, please share. I've been unable to find more detailed breakdowns.


http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

This is mostly just reposting of NPD final data. Systems were sold after January 2001, but it gives you a pretty decent idea. Unfortunately the NPD data during that time period wasn't available to the public. So finding detailed sales data specifically relating to US hardware sales (like month to month numbers) isn't going to be possible considering the age of it.

Added in edit: Dreamcast is down there at #19. Keep in mind this is covering tracked sales to the public. Not sales to wholesalers etc. They produced 10 million systems, but not that many were sold new through retail while it was widely available on the market.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
Unfortunately, those numbers don't help me much. What is clear is that the Dreamcast sold well enough in its first 1.5 years, better than any new-to-market console before it.


I'm going to speculate (because even hindsight isn't 20/20 in cases like this) that Sega's biggest problem with the Dreamcast wasn't Sega at all, but NEC. If Eidolon's Inn is to be believed, the Dreamcast's initial offering in Japan could have been over 500,000 units, despite a lack of titles, had NEC been able to supply the PowerVR Chips. The same could be said of the US launch as well. And if the console had been that much more present in the market upon release, it would have provided that much more incentive to software developers to stick with the platform, despite fears about piracy (which existed on PC and Playstation for years and yet didn't kill either of those markets).

Despite DVD playback, I still can't figure out why the PS2 sold as well as it did. Developers were pulling their hair out over that system. It was like the Saturn all over again. I wonder what Sony's early libraries and dev environment were like for folks who didn't really care about tapping the PS2's real power reserves. It's possible Sony managed to gloss over enough of the crap that if you were OK making a mediocre game you would be just fine.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2012, 09:12:38 AM
Unfortunately, those numbers don't help me much. What is clear is that the Dreamcast sold well enough in its first 1.5 years, better than any new-to-market console before it.


I don't think that's accurate either and certainly not clear.

 I think the N64 sold better in its first 1.5 years on the market (were you strictly reffering to the US on this, because for the Dreamcast the first 1.5 years on the market globally would put it in April 2000) for example. The problem is that worldwide data for those time periods isn't widely available. For the US a company called NPD was doing Toy and Retail Sales Tracking (or TRST), but it strictly tracked sales in the 50 US states, Famitsu magazine does most of the tracking for Japan. Europe and elsewhere in the world wasn't widely tracked for sales.

Added in edit: By March 31st 1998 (just slightly over 1.5 years on the market) the N64 sold 15.22 million units. Roughly a time and a half as many units as the Dreamcast had manufactured. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_64 This basically re-enforces that the N64 sold better in the same time frame.

Also, here's NPD info for the Dreamcast in the US. http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/sega-dc-sales-03-04-2003.htm archived from the old Gaming Age Forums.

So that covers US direct sales for the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
Well, clearly that's a misconception I bought into, then. The system still had a fantastic launch, though, and, since what-ifs are pretty par for the course around here (this is a PCE/TG forum, after all), I'll say I think the DC could have beaten the N64 in the US (time-frame for time-frame) had the console supply been available at launch. Or maybe I just like to blame NEC. They are the perennial whipping boy around here.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Well, clearly that's a misconception I bought into, then. The system still had a fantastic launch, though, and, since what-ifs are pretty par for the course around here (this is a PCE/TG forum, after all), I'll say I think the DC could have beaten the N64 in the US (time-frame for time-frame) had the console supply been available at launch. Or maybe I just like to blame NEC. They are the perennial whipping boy around here.

The N64 had supply issues as well :)

Also, from what I can extrapolate just from those numbers, the ratio of systems sold in the same time frame were at least 2 to 1 in favor of the N64. I'm not sure any minor changes to the Dreamcast would have changed things significantly enough to turn that tide.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 09:42:57 AM
I'm not saying anything would have ultimately changed the course of the Dreamcast's life, but it's possible the system could have sold significantly better than it did. Pre-orders were enormous and cancelled in droves, especially in Japan. Any better is still better, and is still a good thing, IMO.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on May 09, 2012, 01:57:58 PM
Despite DVD playback, I still can't figure out why the PS2 sold as well as it did.

I would say it was mostly hype. The PS2 was supposed to be the everything system, and if hype were believed, 200x more powerful than anything the world had seen. As a Dreamcast/PC gamer, I was pretty disappointed when a local shop got an import system and the games didn't look any better than stuff I already had.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 09, 2012, 02:30:48 PM
Mathius, I find the Eidolon's Inn articles to be interesting, but lacking in references and fact-checking. The Saturn article is distinctly opinionated in places and hard to take seriously, despite containing some rather valuable insights. I'll need to read the Dreamcast one more fully, but I would be wary accepting it as a reliable source.

And now that I'm on page 3, they've already bungled a huge amount of important technical data. I can only assume the corporate politics stuff is within the realm of being correct, but the technical information they throw around in that piece is way off base in a number of important places.

What technical info did they screw up? I'm just wondering. :)


Further, the hyperbole is annoying. Allow me to quote... "literally eye-popping graphics"  I know what literally means. It is synonymous with actually. And yet, I don't know anyone who's eyes were popped by the Dreamcast's graphics.



My eyes may not have popped but they certainly were astounded by the graphical power of the DC back on launch day. :)
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Post by: spenoza on May 09, 2012, 02:59:00 PM
I believe the Saturn can do texturing and lightshading in hardware.

Basically the only programmers who swore that the Saturn was a beautiful box of wonder that nobody was properly tapping were people working at or closely with Sega. Others, including the programmer of Saturn Quake (perhaps the single most polygon-heavy Saturn game) said that its architecture is stupid for 3D games, and that the Playstation is way faster at 3D drawing anyway.

The Saturn can do Garoud lighting using an additive model, but I'm not sure that works well with textured polys in most cases, thus many Saturn lighting examples are at least partially software in nature. I wish I understood what I just typed better than I actually do.

Saturn texturing is a weird beast. I get the feeling it does texturing in an odd way. I tried reading up on this, including the dev manual, so this is conjecture. The sprite and texturing engines are one and the same, and lots of different sources say that poly generation is somehow an extension of this engine, yet the Saturn seems to do 2D and 2D integration with 3D more smoothly and effectively than the Playstation. The Saturn architecture is a bit odd, and not nearly as straight-forward as the PS1 (which follows a much more traditional model, and also uses math shortcuts for speed, sacrificing accuracy), but I don't know that that means it is "stupid" for 3D games, despite what that programmer from Lobotomy claimed. He claimed the Saturn couldn't use one large poly for a wall, but instead had to use several small polys. This doesn't make a lot of sense without qualification. It is possible the Saturn can't do repeating textures on a surface, thus requiring multiple polys for a wall in order to get a repeating texture pattern, but even that doesn't completely make sense to me. It might have something to do with this information I found on the Rockin'-B web site: "The SEGA Saturn cannot change texture coordinates in game by hardware. This means that textures are pre-mapped and cannot change (except very few and very limited programming tricks, not worth mentioning) which is required for some of todays lightning effects." But I don't see how this would interfere with, say, making a big wall.

I want to know more about the Saturn, but it's really hard to find good info distilled into understandable terms.

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I would say it was mostly hype.

JKM, yeah, in truth there's not much on the PS2 that the Dreamcast truly couldn't do. The PS2 can do some nicer visual effects and a few more polys in a scene, but PS2 texturing kinda sucks balls, and memory management on that console is a bitch. A quick and dirty port is, for the same effort, going to look less good than a Dreamcast game, and even the great games don't look too much better. Grand Theft Auto III had a large world but the textures were bland and the frame rate less than quick and smooth. The Dreamcast might have had trouble with the poly counts involved in far enough draw distance, but what you could see would likely look a lot better.
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Post by: Black Tiger on May 09, 2012, 03:30:01 PM
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Basically the only programmers who swore that the Saturn was a beautiful box of wonder that nobody was properly tapping were people working at or closely with Sega. Others, including the programmer of Saturn Quake (perhaps the single most polygon-heavy Saturn game) said that its architecture is stupid for 3D games, and that the Playstation is way faster at 3D drawing anyway.

The same programmer was the most vocal in saying how easy it is to develop for Saturn and how you can get more out of it than the Playstation, to the point that he called those who didn't get good results 'simply lazy'. When they made a version of Powerslave/Exhumed for Playstation, they had to chop it up to get it to run well enough and the effects still took a hit.

It was only some time after Lobotomy's support for Saturn had led them down the road to financial ruin, that he started lashing out against the Saturn in clearly emotionally biased comments. You could say that he was only lying on one side of his opposite comments, but his work for the Saturn supports his positive comments and his negative ones are tainted by what happened to their company.
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Post by: SamIAm on May 09, 2012, 05:05:16 PM
I love me some Saturn games, but I think the best 3D games on the Playstation pretty much speak for themselves.

Also, I believe I remember reading a discussion in a homebrew forum about how the Saturn tends to warp its polygons once they get too big. That's what that programmer was talking about when they were discussing big walls, I think. The Playstation does this too, though.

Keep in mind that the programmer who made the PS version of Powerslave was a different guy. Ezra Dreisbach was the original Powerslave programmer and the Quake programmer, and his test-port of Quake to the PS was his first PS game. When he says this:
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The most striking thing about the PlayStation port was how much faster the graphics hardware was than the Saturn. The initial scene after you just start the game is pretty complex. I think it ran 20 fps on the Saturn version. On the PlayStation it ran 30,but the actual rendering part could have been going 60 if the CPU calculations weren’t holding it up. I don’t know if it would have ever been possible to get it to really run 60, but at least there was the potential.

I have to think he's not lying.

As for the AM2 projects that supposedly used the sound CPU to help get extra-high polygon counts, it's quite a stretch to expect anyone else to do this. Even so, the Saturn Shenmue video doesn't appear to pull off much that the best Playstation games didn't.

Of all the reasons to love the Saturn, being good at 3D must be toward the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 10, 2012, 07:26:00 AM
So, to get back to Game Sack, I think you guys do some great editing (Gee, Joe's a video editor by trade. I wonder if that is connected somehow...)

You also do pretty good clip selection and seem determined not to whore yourselves completely to only the highest-profile titles.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 10, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
JKM, yeah, in truth there's not much on the PS2 that the Dreamcast truly couldn't do. The PS2 can do some nicer visual effects and a few more polys in a scene, but PS2 texturing kinda sucks balls, and memory management on that console is a bitch. A quick and dirty port is, for the same effort, going to look less good than a Dreamcast game, and even the great games don't look too much better. Grand Theft Auto III had a large world but the textures were bland and the frame rate less than quick and smooth. The Dreamcast might have had trouble with the poly counts involved in far enough draw distance, but what you could see would likely look a lot better.

The PS2 could do considerably higher poly counts than the Dreamcast could, the PS2 initially was bumpy out of the gate as Sony downgraded the GPU performance, as a result there was a lot of early games with "jaggies", jagged polygons due to the lack of hardware anti-aliasing, but those problems got solved fairly quickly through clever programming. Yes, first generation PS2 games didn't look any better than what was on the Dreamcast, but something like Dragon Quest VIII is inconceivable on the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 10, 2012, 07:39:52 AM
JKM, yeah, in truth there's not much on the PS2 that the Dreamcast truly couldn't do. The PS2 can do some nicer visual effects and a few more polys in a scene, but PS2 texturing kinda sucks balls, and memory management on that console is a bitch. A quick and dirty port is, for the same effort, going to look less good than a Dreamcast game, and even the great games don't look too much better. Grand Theft Auto III had a large world but the textures were bland and the frame rate less than quick and smooth. The Dreamcast might have had trouble with the poly counts involved in far enough draw distance, but what you could see would likely look a lot better.

The PS2 could do considerably higher poly counts than the Dreamcast could, the PS2 initially was bumpy out of the gate as Sony downgraded the GPU performance, as a result there was a lot of early games with "jaggies", jagged polygons due to the lack of hardware anti-aliasing, but those problems got solved fairly quickly through clever programming. Yes, first generation PS2 games didn't look any better than what was on the Dreamcast, but something like Dragon Quest VIII is inconceivable on the Dreamcast.

I'm not sure that we know that for certain. The PS2 had a long market life, so libraries and development tools improved. The Dreamcast had such a short development life that I'm not sure the system was really ever tapped out. I am certain that the PS2 could push around more polygons. I don't know that I could say with confidence that that difference is enough to truly make a difference. I am not certain that the Dreamcast couldn't at least manage a passable version of anything featured on the PS2. The Dreamcast's limits are still somewhat unknown.

Further, the PS2 can push a HUGE number of unadultered polys. As soon as you start doing stuff to them, the poly rate drops dramatically. The PS2 was a very flexible piece of hardware in that instead of having lots of built-in hardware effects, it was highly programmable, but using those programmable effects really cut poly rates. Combine that with the miniscule texture memory and many PS2 games had to reduce the frame rate or effects to get higher poly rates. The DC had an excellent Z-buffer implementation, even better than the Xbox and PS2, so while it can't put as many polys on screen, it is extremely efficient and rendering only the polys it needs to render, and it is very efficient at ruling out polys that don't need to be rendered. So, under game conditions with texturing effects and all, yes, the PS2 could render more complex scenes with higher poly counts, but not as dramatically more as Sony has traditionally claimed. I do think with some close-to-the-metal programming and some good design decisions that the DC could manage results that are admirably close to the PS2, at least for the most popular and mainstream games. The games that the PS2 produced that the DC couldn't touch are the ones that use minimal effects and lighting and focus more on extracting more polys at the expense of visual acuity.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on May 10, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
How I see it from a strictly hardware perspective:

Saturn 2D > Playstation 2D
Saturn 3D < Playstation 3D

But with the DC/PS2 it's not so clean cut. The PS2 is capable if rendering more polygons and the heavy development that went into some of the later PS2 titles really pushed what the system could do. The Dreamcast was more limited with its polygons, but what it DID render looked amazing. No jaggies, bright colors, everything was so smooth. And the fact that is fizzled out so soon makes me wonder what kind of games would be developed for it if it stuck around longer...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 20, 2012, 12:18:20 PM
Latest episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 20, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
You guys are getting much more comfortable in front of the camera. It really shows!

Batman Returns was definitely a major contributer to my adolescent anger issues bitd. I always remembered thinking how I wished they had developed new platforming sections from the ground up.

I really enjoyed your commentary on the SEGA CD's abilities even though they were brief. A GameSack episode expanding on one of your earlier videos from your other channel would be neat to see. :)

Off the top of my head two games that frustrated me to no end were the NES version of Ninja Gaiden, and Phantasy Star 2. I actually ended up beating Ninja Gaiden way back when thanks to a VHS tape that my parents bought me that gave strategies for various NES games. I still have that tape somewhere.

PS2, on the other hand, can totally kiss my ass. I can't make it past the first dungeon or so and I have been trying for years. I really wish that I could get further into the game because I really enjoy the art work in the cinemas.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 20, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
You know, this episode makes me think of a great candidate episode to follow up on this later: Best Challenging Games that aren't Cheap. Meaning, the best games that were hard, even ass hard, but were a real challenge without relying on cheap kills or inflated challenge metrics. They challenged you with great design and kept you pushing to do better!
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Post by: roflmao on May 20, 2012, 03:54:58 PM
Another great episode! 

As much as I love playing shooters, I find most if them pretty frustrating, at least at the beginning.  Whenever I get a new shmup and have played it for awhile, my wife invariably comes into the room and asks "Why do you keep playing these games that make you so angry?"  (She usually hears a few choice words and possibly the sound of a controller being dropped in esasperation or the console being hastily reset.  At least I don't throw controllers or punch holes in walls anymore. :) )  My response; "If it's evoking that kind of response from me, it's usually a pretty good game". 

I usually don't get pissed off at games that suck.  They just suck and I move on.  It's the games where I *know* I can do better, I saw a way around the thing that killed me at the last second, and I'm more frustrated at myself for either not remembering a pattern or by zagging when I should have zigged, or did some other dingbat mistake.  But the frustrations coming out of a good game root from me, so I'm constantly going back to them and getting slightly better. 

When I first got Kyukyoku Tiger for the PCE it took a lot of patience to make it past the first level.  But now I can usually breeze through it and the next few levels without hardly any effort.  The game is amazing.  The Genesis version of Twin Cobra, on the other hand, is a mess, imo. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 20, 2012, 07:47:31 PM
Latest episode:

Frustrating Games! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08jMHAdKP8)

Not bad but i thought (Landstalker) would have made the list.Great game,but man it's isometric view can throw ya off for platforming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on May 20, 2012, 07:54:13 PM
Latest episode:

Frustrating Games! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08jMHAdKP8)

Not bad but i thought (Landstalker) would have made the list.Great game,but man it's isometric view can throw ya off for platforming.


Light Crusader is largely in the same boat, though it does seem a little less troublesome. I think the most frustrating isometric game I've ever played, however, is Dark Savior on the Saturn. There are some floating platform jumping segments that make me want to tear the developers limb from limb (poor Climax).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 20, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Latest episode:

Frustrating Games! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08jMHAdKP8)

Not bad but i thought (Landstalker) would have made the list.Great game,but man it's isometric view can throw ya off for platforming.


Light Crusader is largely in the same boat, though it does seem a little less troublesome. I think the most frustrating isometric game I've ever played, however, is Dark Savior on the Saturn. There are some floating platform jumping segments that make me want to tear the developers limb from limb (poor Climax).

I never had a problem with dark savior expect the mine cart ride.That part should have never been in the game it's camera angles,are realy screwed up.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 21, 2012, 12:40:41 PM


Off the top of my head two games that frustrated me to no end were the NES version of Ninja Gaiden, and Phantasy Star 2. I actually ended up beating Ninja Gaiden way back when thanks to a VHS tape that my parents bought me that gave strategies for various NES games. I still have that tape somewhere.

Ninja Gaiden is fairly easy until the last stage, that's a nightmare. About a year ago, I beat Ninja Gaiden 1, then the next day Ninja Gaiden 2, but couldn't beat Ninja Gaiden 3 which has limited continues making it unimaginably difficult.

A few weeks ago I beat Ghosts N Goblins for NES for the first time, yes, both runs through.

The two toughest NES games I can think of are NG 3 and Silver Surfer, but Silver Surfer I consider to be broken.
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Post by: spenoza on May 21, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
The two toughest NES games I can think of are NG 3 and Silver Surfer, but Silver Surfer I consider to be broken.

I never beat GnG or NG3, but I found NG3 a lot more accessible, and I tended to make steadier progress in it. Didn't hurt that it was an attractive and good-sounding game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on May 22, 2012, 04:48:57 PM
PS2, on the other hand, can totally kiss my ass. I can't make it past the first dungeon or so and I have been trying for years. I really wish that I could get further into the game because I really enjoy the art work in the cinemas.

It's definitely more challenging than typical JRPGs but doable if you have the patience to grind for money and experience. Equipment is expensive but you'll need it to progress through the game, much like the original Phantasy Star. PS2 is an awesome game all around and worth your patience! Beating it is quite an accomplishment though, and it probably why the game originally came with a walk through guidebook with maps.
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Post by: storino03 on May 22, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
always wanted to get into the Phantasy Star games. I have the genesis collection on my ps3, but unfortunately, there is no Phantasy Star 1.
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Post by: TR0N on May 22, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
always wanted to get into the Phantasy Star games. I have the genesis collection on my ps3, but unfortunately, there is no Phantasy Star 1.
always wanted to get into the Phantasy Star games. I have the genesis collection on my ps3, but unfortunately, there is no Phantasy Star 1.
Realy !? The sonic ultimate genesis collection does have,phantasy star it just takes finshing the frist level of sonic 2 with tails to unlock it.
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Post by: storino03 on May 22, 2012, 07:49:27 PM
really? haha, didn't know that! I admit I never spent much time with the genesis collection (didn't care much for it), but if that's the case--unlocking bit--i may just do that!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on May 23, 2012, 10:47:06 AM
Latest episode:

Frustrating Games! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08jMHAdKP8)


Another good episode. But I don't like the new intro music. Why the change?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 23, 2012, 03:50:04 PM
Latest episode:

Frustrating Games! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08jMHAdKP8)


Another good episode. But I don't like the new intro music. Why the change?


Agreed! I miss the old one. :(
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Post by: spenoza on May 23, 2012, 04:20:00 PM
I wonder if the music was meant to reflect the frustration they feel with the games.
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Post by: rag-time4 on May 23, 2012, 04:45:49 PM
Latest episode:

Frustrating Games! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08jMHAdKP8)


Another good episode. But I don't like the new intro music. Why the change?


Agreed! I miss the old one. :(
Interesting change! This one sounds muffled compared to the last one. Kind of like Genesis vs JP Sega Saturn....
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 30, 2012, 11:05:29 AM
That was cool seeing all the isometric games and it would've been cool to even have a whole episode on them.
Oh yeah and the music change was a little funky but the production quality is top notch
Thanks!

PS still waiting for the CDi episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 30, 2012, 01:00:20 PM

PS still waiting for the CDi episode

...and the ThunderBlade episode.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 03, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
New episode is up!

(http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/gamesackbanner54.jpg)

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Post by: futureman2000 on June 03, 2012, 02:43:41 PM
Nice job again!
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Post by: roflmao on June 03, 2012, 03:21:38 PM
Another entertaining episode!  Loved the stop motion stuff.
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Post by: Mathius on June 03, 2012, 03:31:09 PM
Another entertaining episode!  Loved the stop motion stuff.

Definitely cool!

I think one of the options within the hidden menu in Diamakumura enables diagonals. I probably should have mentioned that.  :oops:

Joe, I am going to go ahead and let you keep Club Drive, Checkered Flag, Kasumi Ninja, and whatever the hell that other shitty fighter was called. You'll thank me in the end. :P
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Post by: Joe Redifer on June 03, 2012, 03:34:19 PM
OK.  No, Daimakaimura doesn't have an option to allow diagonals.  The Genesis version lets you turn them on or off, though.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 03, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
I agree with Dave's comments on the Virtual Boy.
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Post by: Mathius on June 03, 2012, 03:51:05 PM
OK.  No, Daimakaimura doesn't have an option to allow diagonals.  The Genesis version lets you turn them on or off, though.

Seems I am getting them confused. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 03, 2012, 06:20:01 PM
Thanks for the look inside both consoles. I haven't had the courage to try to open them myself.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 03, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
SGX does have a cheat code to add credits, you can go up to 9 I believe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 03, 2012, 07:50:24 PM
Yeah I found that screen.  There is also a difficulty select and a sound test which I took some liberty with (hint: I like to record game music from real consoles).  I wish Aldynes had a sound test.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 10, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
Good to see some SGX and, uh... Jaguar hate?!   :P. Great episode as usual!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 12, 2012, 01:31:40 AM
daimakaimura sgfx [x--------------------l-------------------] daimakaimura MD
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Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 12, 2012, 07:39:23 AM
How do you think it compare to the Saturn arcade port?
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Post by: Joe Redifer on June 12, 2012, 09:20:19 AM
Poorly, just like all translations.

However:
daimakaimura sgfx [---------------------x-------------------] daimakaimura MD
Better looking, more faithful but worse playing. The arcade plays worse than the MD version.
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Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 12, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Yeah the MD version plays really well despite the graphics taking a hit. I still want to get the SGX version though. PM me if you have an extra copy!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 12, 2012, 01:22:59 PM
How do you think it compare to the Saturn arcade port?

saturn and psx daimakaimuras are almost arcade perfect. but only almost, since there are small but also annoying differences, just as the music loading times (red book) when cleared a level etc.

also arthur doesn't walk in the grass, as it was in the arcade.

but in terms of graphics etc. the SGFX port sure holds no candles against the later 32-bit ports.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 12, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
Oh yeah! Well, none of the other versions can say they appeared on the SuperGrafx! :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: bust3dstr8 on June 14, 2012, 01:07:06 PM
Poorly, just like all translations.

However:
daimakaimura sgfx [---------------------x-------------------] daimakaimura MD
Better looking, more faithful but worse playing. The arcade plays worse than the MD version.
The arcade plays fine if they used 4 way joysticks like the game was designed for :)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 14, 2012, 03:04:32 PM
There's flat out emulations on the PS2, Xbox and PSP Capcom Classics Collections.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 15, 2012, 09:04:45 AM
The XBox version is too dark.  The PS2 version doesn't run in progressive scan, to my knowledge.  240p support would be good, but only Sega ever did that aside from Sony's ICO.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 15, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
So what's the best way to play GnG other than buying the arcade board? I want it to be the SGX version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 15, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
MAME?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 15, 2012, 05:40:29 PM
x68k would be an option.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 15, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
x68k would be an option.

interlaced only :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 16, 2012, 03:25:17 AM
that as well? a damn :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 16, 2012, 09:26:29 AM
Interlacing is the devil.  Really.  I'd rather have Author (Arthur?) in front of the grass and slightly muffled sound than interlacing.  Therefore Saturn.  Or is the PS version better?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 16, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Interlacing is the devil.  Really.  I'd rather have Author (Arthur?) in front of the grass and slightly muffled sound than interlacing.  Therefore Saturn.  Or is the PS version better?

Why exactly is interlacing not preferred? Anyone have any comparisons?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 17, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
interlaced video = flicker flicker flicker flicker.   
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 17, 2012, 03:58:23 PM
interlaced video = flicker flicker flicker flicker.   

Ah so GnG X68k flickers a lot I take it? Pardon my noob questions. I understand the basics between Interlaced and Progressive, but don't know the pros and cons
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 17, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
on a crt interlaced can look ok.  but nowhere near as clean as anything progressive.  on an lcd interlaced = barf inducing imo.  Also there is no excuse for X68k GnG to be interlaced besides pure laziness.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 17, 2012, 04:23:02 PM
I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original arcade games are on there, and I just like the Saturn. Never played the PS version though I would expect it to be about the same.

Did the PSP GnG game (which I think is great BTW) have the original as an unlockable? Can't remembering it did or not but that would be an awesome bonus.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Flare65 on June 17, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original a
Did the PSP GnG game (which I think is great BTW) have the original as an unlockable? Can't remembering it did or not but that would be an awesome bonus.

I don't think it does.  I know they released at least two different versions of the PSP GnG in Japan and neither had it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 18, 2012, 10:48:46 AM
Just a quick note, the US prototype Gimmick uses the same mapper/sound chip as Batman: Return of the Joker. That's the only US game that makes a viable donor cart. With that said, your (or Dave's) RetroUSB.com repro has an all in one mapper chip to emulate it. So the special sound chip IS in use on the NES version. It's also used on the PAL B release as well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 18, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original arcade games are on there,

Yeah, all of the two ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 18, 2012, 01:40:13 PM
I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original arcade games are on there,

Yeah, all of the two ;)
Still, all of them! The Capcom collections are such great values because you get all the major games on one disc rather than shelling out $50+ for one no-frills arcade port.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 18, 2012, 03:00:54 PM
Just a quick note, the US prototype Gimmick uses the same mapper/sound chip as Batman: Return of the Joker. That's the only US game that makes a viable donor cart. With that said, your (or Dave's) RetroUSB.com repro has an all in one mapper chip to emulate it. So the special sound chip IS in use on the NES version. It's also used on the PAL B release as well.

I emailed the guy when I bought the repro and inquired on what exactly is in his Gimmick! cart. He said his repros are entirely manufactured with all original parts, but still Gimmick! can't reproduce all the channels in the Famicom version due to hardware missing from the US NES.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 18, 2012, 03:10:41 PM


I emailed the guy when I bought the repro and inquired on what exactly is in his Gimmick! cart. He said his repros are entirely manufactured with all original parts, but still Gimmick! can't reproduce all the channels in the Famicom version due to hardware missing from the US NES.

If you bought it from RetroUSB.com (they were also at MGC downstairs at the NintendoAge booth) they're using a chip to emulate the Return of the Joker sound chip. Prior to that chip that emulates a whole bunch of mappers (and actually even still today), people were sacrificing Return of the Jokers to make Gimmicks!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 18, 2012, 04:28:16 PM


I emailed the guy when I bought the repro and inquired on what exactly is in his Gimmick! cart. He said his repros are entirely manufactured with all original parts, but still Gimmick! can't reproduce all the channels in the Famicom version due to hardware missing from the US NES.

If you bought it from RetroUSB.com (they were also at MGC downstairs at the NintendoAge booth) they're using a chip to emulate the Return of the Joker sound chip. Prior to that chip that emulates a whole bunch of mappers (and actually even still today), people were sacrificing Return of the Jokers to make Gimmicks!


Ah ok. I see what yuz is sayin'.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 18, 2012, 04:28:21 PM
You can't add more sound through the cart on an NES.  They got rid of the audio lines on the cart port.  Not sure why, especially since there are about 1,000 more pins on an NES cart than a Famicom cart.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 18, 2012, 04:47:13 PM


I emailed the guy when I bought the repro and inquired on what exactly is in his Gimmick! cart. He said his repros are entirely manufactured with all original parts, but still Gimmick! can't reproduce all the channels in the Famicom version due to hardware missing from the US NES.

If you bought it from RetroUSB.com (they were also at MGC downstairs at the NintendoAge booth) they're using a chip to emulate the Return of the Joker sound chip. Prior to that chip that emulates a whole bunch of mappers (and actually even still today), people were sacrificing Return of the Jokers to make Gimmicks!


Ah ok. I see what yuz is sayin'.  :)

Edit via post: And I did buy from RetroUSB.com. I wish I would have known that they were at MGC. I would have liked to talk to them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 18, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original arcade games are on there,

Yeah, all of the two ;)
Still, all of them! The Capcom collections are such great values because you get all the major games on one disc rather than shelling out $50+ for one no-frills arcade port.

Sure thing! I have all the makaimura cap collection (makai to kishi) -> PSx (normal release and book release) & Saturn.
in fact I think I have about every makaimura and related game as far japanese console and handheld games go.
back in the days I also had the two PCBs.
for pure collections sake I only need a x68k daimakaimura to complete the everything.

So far out of my head I have the following:

Makaimura:
Makaimura (FC, GBA, PSx reg. & Book, Saturn, PSP).
Daimakaimura (SGFX, MD, PSx reg. & Book, Saturn). (need x68k)
Choumakaimura (SFC, PSX&Book, Saturn)
Choumakaimura R (GBA)
Makaimura for wonderswan (WS)
Goku Makaimura (PSP) (-> there was also a Famitsu demo version)
Goku Makaimura Kai (PSP)

Makaimura related (gaiden):
Red Arremer - Makaimura Gaiden (GB)   
Red Arremer 2 (GB, FC)
Demon's Blazon - Monshou Hen (SFC reg. & SF memory version)
Nazo Makaimura (PSx, Saturn)

Spin off:
Higemaru Makaijima

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 18, 2012, 09:04:40 PM
I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original arcade games are on there,

Yeah, all of the two ;)
Still, all of them! The Capcom collections are such great values because you get all the major games on one disc rather than shelling out $50+ for one no-frills arcade port.

Sure thing! I have all the makaimura cap collection (makai to kishi) -> PSx (normal release and book release) & Saturn.
in fact I think I have about every makaimura and related game as far japanese console and handheld games go.
back in the days I also had the two PCBs.
for pure collections sake I only need a x68k daimakaimura to complete the everything.

So far out of my head I have the following:

Makaimura:
Makaimura (FC, GBA, PSx reg. & Book, Saturn, PSP).
Daimakaimura (SGFX, MD, PSx reg. & Book, Saturn). (need x68k)
Choumakaimura (SFC, PSX&Book, Saturn)
Choumakaimura R (GBA)
Makaimura for wonderswan (WS)
Goku Makaimura (PSP) (-> there was also a Famitsu demo version)
Goku Makaimura Kai (PSP)

Makaimura related (gaiden):
Red Arremer - Makaimura Gaiden (GB)   
Red Arremer 2 (GB, FC)
Demon's Blazon - Monshou Hen (SFC reg. & SF memory version)
Nazo Makaimura (PSx, Saturn)

Spin off:
Higemaru Makaijima

:)

Damn, you're pretty serious!

So I have to ask you, what do you think of the SGX version? I'll definitely end up buying it at some point, but with the Saturn and MD versions in my collection I wonder how much I'll end up playing it. Still think it looks awesome though and you can't beat the format. Also, you didnt list it but what do you think about the SMS version? Al out picked it up the other day but held back for some reason.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 18, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
But what about the C64 and Amiga??? XD
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 18, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
You can't add more sound through the cart on an NES.  They got rid of the audio lines on the cart port.  Not sure why, especially since there are about 1,000 more pins on an NES cart than a Famicom cart.

Nevermind, I got confused about the mapper. There are two different versions of the mapper used in Gimmick and Return of the Joker. FME-7 and a special version of it. The NES prototype and PAL version only use the regular version without the sound lines. The "special" version of it was used on the Famicom version and adds the additional sound.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 19, 2012, 12:31:39 AM

I have the Saturn collection which I like because all of the original arcade games are on there,


Yeah, all of the two ;)

 Still, all of them! The Capcom collections are such great values because you get all the major games on one disc rather than shelling out $50+ for one no-frills arcade port.


Sure thing! I have all the makaimura cap collection (makai to kishi) -> PSx (normal release and book release) & Saturn.
in fact I think I have about every makaimura and related game as far japanese console and handheld games go.
back in the days I also had the two PCBs.
for pure collections sake I only need a x68k daimakaimura to complete the everything.

So far out of my head I have the following:

Makaimura:
Makaimura (FC, GBA, PSx reg. & Book, Saturn, PSP).
Daimakaimura (SGFX, MD, PSx reg. & Book, Saturn). (need x68k)
Choumakaimura (SFC, PSX&Book, Saturn)
Choumakaimura R (GBA)
Makaimura for wonderswan (WS)
Goku Makaimura (PSP) (-> there was also a Famitsu demo version)
Goku Makaimura Kai (PSP)

Makaimura related (gaiden):
Red Arremer - Makaimura Gaiden (GB)   
Red Arremer 2 (GB, FC)
Demon's Blazon - Monshou Hen (SFC reg. & SF memory version)
Nazo Makaimura (PSx, Saturn)

Spin off:
Higemaru Makaijima

:)


Damn, you're pretty serious!

So I have to ask you, what do you think of the SGX version? I'll definitely end up buying it at some point, but with the Saturn and MD versions in my collection I wonder how much I'll end up playing it. Still think it looks awesome though and you can't beat the format. Also, you didnt list it but what do you think about the SMS version? Al out picked it up the other day but held back for some reason.


I didn't list up SMS daimakaimura, because there simply is no sms daimakaimura, since it was only released in oversea :)

As I stated, I have been collecting only JPN versions, and also only console & handheld stuff. x68k would just be a nice to have :)

regarding the SGFX Daimakaimura, i think it is absolutely worth to get it. sure it's a down grade to the other later 32bit near arcade perfect ports, but to see what the SGFX/PCE could do back then and the differences to other ports alone is worth to get it.
Also the SGFX has the most nice cover art of all of em by far.

@dead: (http://www.thegforum.ch/images/smilies/kicher.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on June 19, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
You can't add more sound through the cart on an NES.  They got rid of the audio lines on the cart port.  Not sure why, especially since there are about 1,000 more pins on an NES cart than a Famicom cart.

IIRC, the extra pins on the NES were for the stupid anti piracy lockout chip that caused a whole generation of kids to weep as their NES's blinked eternally. Famicom extra sound can be played through a US NES with a little modding, but I prefer the "Play on a real Famicom" option.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 20, 2012, 09:26:57 AM
The C64 GNG is garbitch, and the Amiga one has irritating music.

Also:

You pronounced Granzort's title wrong, and Tramiel's last name.  I would've expected at least one of those to be done right, since you moderate here..

Or, maybe I am mistaken and you pronounced it (Granzort. The full title. Not just Granzort, not Tramiel.) fine.  Tramiel is definitely being pronounced wrong.  It's nitpicking.  But, I feel that if you're going to make videos that you take the time to edit and do commentary on, you should at least pronounce words right.

and the commentary sounds way too forced and cheesy.   It was bland to watch because of that.  It grates on me like Gamestop videos and crappy early morning infomercials.

You should have waited til someone gave you Battle Ace.  Or until you bought it yourself.  If you got your hands on a SGX via borrowing or paying, you should have been able to score the easiest to find game for the entire library.. -_-;

Also, wtftempesthatersgtfo.   The Atari hate better be as fake as the Nintendo fanboy schtick.   As crapass, and floppy as the Jaguar turned out to be, it does have enough games on it now that it isn't that bad to own one and get enjoyment out of.  It offers more variety than the SGX even.  Not that this is a real fair comparison...

aside from that, this was one of the better videos.   Better than that Ninja one where you left out Joe and Mac, that's for sure.

EDIT: parenthesis stuff. For clarity. Not that anyone gives two dicks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 20, 2012, 11:41:30 AM
Gran-Zort.  Seems pretty easy to pronounce to me.  The word before it?  Just guessed, didn't care. I even asked Dave how he would pronounce it before I recorded that line.  I pronounced Tramiel the way it is spelled.  I have no other way of knowing how it is pronounced without hearing other people say it.  We get that "too forced" thing all the time.  It's not something we can change, it's just who we are.  LOTS of Youtube shows sound like that.  And I'm not buying games for systems I don't own.  The opinions were based on the games provided.  They were genuine opinions.  The games we played on the Jaguar sucked ass for the most part.

But whatever.  If you don't enjoy the show, don't watch.  We're not trying to be Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 20, 2012, 03:31:59 PM
Ark, I didn't have any intention of buying Battle Ace just because it's a game I don't feel I'd enjoy too much. I am not a completest collector. I just get what looks fun. :)

The Jag isn't for everyone. Though what I sent was arguably the cream of the crop for the system. I was a little disappointed that Joe didn't enjoy Flashback as it's one of my favorite games on any console. What Joe didn't pick up on is that the Genesis version actually has better music. Plus during certain cinemas on the Jag version the music actually loops every FEW SECONDS! Very ear grating!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 20, 2012, 04:28:00 PM
Yeah I thought your banter/dialog sounded kind of forced at first, but now I find it completely hilarious. Your videos are always informative and entertaining, which can't be said about around 95% of YouTube based shows. Keep it up guys!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 20, 2012, 06:21:14 PM
Gran-Zort.  Seems pretty easy to pronounce to me.  The word before it?  Just guessed, didn't care. I even asked Dave how he would pronounce it before I recorded that line.  I pronounced Tramiel the way it is spelled.  I have no other way of knowing how it is pronounced without hearing other people say it.  We get that "too forced" thing all the time.  It's not something we can change, it's just who we are.  LOTS of Youtube shows sound like that.  And I'm not buying games for systems I don't own.  The opinions were based on the games provided.  They were genuine opinions.  The games we played on the Jaguar sucked ass for the most part.

But whatever.  If you don't enjoy the show, don't watch.  We're not trying to be Wikipedia.


Christ, really?  lol, I meant the Madou/Mado O part.  For a moderator at PCEFX, you'd think you'd learn how to pronounce the titles of the games in the NEC library.  Get it together man.

As for Tramiel, it's largely known by most people that it's pronounced "tramel", and was even reflected in the name "Tramel Technology Ltd", yknow, TTL.  Named as such because too many people kept saying "tra meal".  These same people who say it right also know that Joe and Mac are cavemen ninjas.   In fact, the answer to the problem is ON wikipedia.   I just checked.   So, you did have another way to know it.  Research is too cool for the Redifer.  Who has time to read all that shit?!  It's like Iron Soldier.  You're so clueless, so often, man.

Anyway, it's debatable that a lot of the games you played did in fact suck ass.  Tempest 2000 and Defender 2000 don't suck, assuming you like the originals, which you probably don't.

Doom doesn't suck.  Wolf3D doesn't either.  Heck, it's Carmack's favorite version even.  Flashback doesn't suck (but you don't like it.  Or maybe it was the other guy.  You both sound the same).  Iron Soldier is pretty good if you spend the time to figure out how to play it.  Of what you reviewed, you reviewed some fairly solid games for that time-frame.  It's a shame you failed to see that, or whatever.  Bitches fail to see the good in games.  It's the Hydlide Effect.  Sucks to be you guys.

You're confusing "sucked ass" and "didn't like".  Only like, 3 of the games mentioned actually suck ass.   The rest, you just don't like. 

Though, I really basically take your gaming opinions with a grain of salt, because you've often been willfully ignorant of certain games, and you often have strange opinions on games anyway.  Plus I recall someone in the video saying Atari has no good games, or something to that effect.  That's crazy jive.   

I laughed at the reply to my similar post on Atari Age in THAT gamesack thread.   f*ckin classic.  " HURRR YOU HAVE CRITICISM ON TWO FORUMS THEREFORE YOU'S TROLLIN' ITS COO, KEEP FOLLOWING ME".  Give me a break.  Use your f*cking head.  It's big enough.

How could I be following you?  I've been registered at that forum longer than you, you dipshit.  GameSack has 9 posts.  You don't hide behind aliases (or so you've said), and I sure don't see a Joe Redifer registered or posting on Atari Age.   Good Job, detective.  You caught me. You're just upset that you didn't realize I post on AtariAge.  Hence you trying to take the heat off the criticism by calling me a troll and saying I am following you.

Brilliant job dogging the Atari, and posting it on an Atari forum.  Aces.

I'll keep watching the videos, and providing you with feedback.  Eventually, you might take some of it into account.  Just because I have criticism doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching your video or others like it to hear what others have to say.  I've watched every video.  I've only spoken out a few times.  What the hells wrong with criticism?  Sissy.

You simply suck at taking criticism.  You're doing it here, and you've done it in the past.  "DONT LIKE IT, DONT WATCH IT!".  Pfffft.  How about "thank you for your feedback.  Maybe I will consider some of it.  Also, I will pronounce Tramiel right from now on.  Thank you for clarifying.  I don't give enough shits to find things like this out on my own.".

If that's how Insanity's feedback was taken, there'd be no high scores in future titles, Insanity X's player would be slow as balls, and some other crap.  Slow teleporting, bad scroll-margins, no parallax, and crap.

Criticism is an important part of being a growed up, Joe. 

I hope to God you don't sound that dry when you converse normally.  I hope for the sake of all you speak to that it's just your video-speaking that is blander than shit.  I really do find it hard to believe that you sound like an infomercial salesman at all times. 

(http://i48.tinypic.com/a304dj.jpg)



PS: I didn't call you a pussy, so you can't ban me now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 20, 2012, 10:53:38 PM
Damn you're almost starting to remind me of Helgeson, but he pulls it off better and doesn't sound butthurt doing it.

I respond very well to constructive criticism.  I get it all the time.  But yours basically boils down to an angry "u don't no how 2 pronounse granzort u suk u call urslef a mod lol u should no better lol u suk".  So yeah, don't watch the show because a viewer like you is not someone I care about. I honestly do not care what you, Arkhan, personally think.

PS - I don't know how much of the show you've seen but we've made fun of our delivery A LOT during several different episodes.  We keep getting subscribers.  I get people volunteering to send me stuff for the show so I must be doing something right.  Sorry if that flares up your hemorrhoids.

I'll stop feeding the troll now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 01:09:28 AM
Remind me not to give JoeRedifer free games anymore.

What I said on AtariAge wasn't even angry.  I even separated the nitpicking.  Hell, what I said *HERE* was pretty tame too.   It was just *my* opinion of your show.  There aren't even any "f*cks" in it.   I think you're letting your bias towards me cause you to misinterpret anything I say to you as an attempt to piss you off. 

Quote from: Me
ffs, who owns a Jaguar and doesn't own Doom for it?!

and, who doesn't own Battle Ace with a Super Grafx?! FFS! Par for the course, I guess.

Battle Ace isn't great, but it doesn't suck. It's snappy, has nice visuals, and sweet music. It's worth checking out, especially since you already dropped enough to get a SGX in the first place. Do yourself a favor and buy it. I got a copy for like 5 bucks.

The Jaguar is worth it for Defender and Tempest alone. There are enough other games that make it worth owning, much like the Super Grafx.

Try the Jaguar with a pro controller. It's way better.

I found the Flashback portion to be a waste of potential in the video. "Duh duh, it doesn't look any better than the 16-bit ones". It's a port. Not a remake. What'd you want them to do, redo all of the graphics?

Nitpicking:

You mispronounced Madou / Mado O (you can put the lines over the Os.). I expected better. Also, you mispronounced Tramiel. Get with it!

Just a question now, are you guys ever going to do videos where it doesn't sound like you're reading off of cue cards..? Everything sounds fake and forced. Like those videos Gamestop puts out. The video is great, except for the commentary. The flashback part sounded so goony it reminded me of Billy Madison when he talks about Donkey Kong with the little kids.

"I disagree! While Flashback is great, I think Blackthorne is a much better game", or something.

Tempest haters.

You, or Dave (I'm not sure who originally replied), felt the need to cry about it and say I am trolling, because I posted it on two forums.  With different audiences.  This is what you get for being a dipshit.  Now you get the angry (if its even angry?  I think it's more like "Wow, Joe Redifer is a dumbass") stuff.

That's cool you don't care what I think.  At least I can pronounce Tramiel.

That seems to be your modus operandi:   Say/do clueless or stupid shit, get mad when people point it out and laugh at you, tell those people you ain't give no f*cks cause you're a GAME SACKER.

If you think my original post is angry or whatever, I fall back to my original statement that you are a pussy.

Anyway, that's cool you get subscribers.  I was just offering my opinion.  You don't have to listen.  You'd be wise to at least take away from this whole trainwreck that you now learned how to pronounce a word properly for future reference.


I watch your videos without watching them.  So, headphones + do other shit while you two ramble.  So, I don't catch everything on the first pass, and sometimes don't enjoy the video enough to watch again.

Plus, I figured you at least owned a SGX. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 04:01:54 AM
Joe, I demand credit for your new avatar, you picture stealing shmuck.

Actually, I don't know who it goes to.

I have no idea who made it.  Someone did it in the shoutbox.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on June 21, 2012, 04:18:12 AM
I enjoy the show guys - the production is fantastic. You had me at "Jet Set Radio Bitches...in your face"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 21, 2012, 10:57:05 AM
OK Arkhan, thanks for the avatar!  I think it's hilarious!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 12:01:20 PM
OK Arkhan, thanks for the avatar!  I think it's hilarious!

Credit goes to Elabit, I believe.  He made it, I kept it.

lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on June 21, 2012, 04:02:28 PM
I wuz gonna troll, but Joe Red beat me to it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 21, 2012, 04:39:20 PM
ARE YOU A TROLL?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on June 21, 2012, 04:57:50 PM
nah, Joe already threw a bucket of water on the fireworks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 21, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Darn, wet fireworks, that sucks big balls.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on June 22, 2012, 12:30:55 AM
Did someone calleth me?! 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Cave_troll.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 22, 2012, 03:08:15 AM
STAB JOEDO SACKINS.  HE HAS THE RING.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: blueraven on June 22, 2012, 06:57:49 AM
STAB JOEDO SACKINS.  HE HAS THE RING.

ROFL

ONE SONIC RING TO RULE ALL OF TURBOLAND.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on June 22, 2012, 07:28:59 AM
ONE W-RING TO BIND THEM

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on June 22, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
In the Land of Obeydor where Shadow of the Beast lies
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 01, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
I just saw the newest video. Good pick on Bubsy 3D, I've long bandied it as being one of the worst games ever.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 01, 2012, 03:29:13 PM
I just saw the newest video. Good pick on Bubsy 3D, I've long bandied it as being one of the worst games ever.


Yep looks like Joe's slackin' again. Here is the new episode of GameSack.

Game Sack - Western-Developed Games

I really need to track down that Lomax game for the PS1!

Having a soundtrack that is a fave of mine, Marble Madness was a always a headache for me to play on the compilations. Looks like I need to track down a copy of the NES version.


ANd....


I am still laughing at the Dave White game!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on July 01, 2012, 04:11:40 PM
That Dave White game was hilarious. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 01, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
Having a soundtrack that is a fave of mine, Marble Madness was a always a headache for me to play on the compilations. Looks like I need to track down a copy of the NES version.

How about of tracking down the PCE prototype for real obeyance?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 01, 2012, 04:36:16 PM
Shit yeah!  And then giving me the ROM and I'll get a Turbob Everdrive and have a Marble Madness awesome-a-thon.  Just got the ROM for the Japanese Tengen Marble Madness for the Mega Drive.  Gonna play it in a few.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 01, 2012, 05:07:32 PM
Having a soundtrack that is a fave of mine, Marble Madness was a always a headache for me to play on the compilations. Looks like I need to track down a copy of the NES version.

How about of tracking down the PCE prototype for real obeyance?

I completely and totally forgot about the prototype. With it being originally a western developed game would you think the proto was actually meant for the TurboGrafx?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 01, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
very much possible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on July 01, 2012, 06:47:41 PM
Awesome episode as usual!! Since I moved back to the US I've been buying a lot of the western developed games I dont have or werent released in Japan. Saved me a few bucks helping me avoid buying a few stinkers and inspired me to pick up a few more. So we're even I guess.

And I need a copy of Dave White Forever!! Releasing a Genesis version?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 02, 2012, 03:01:17 AM
And I need a copy of Dave White Forever!! Releasing a Genesis version?

I am sure they will. The SNES version will have to have the violence toned down.

Can you find the blood code in the Genesis version?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DrBread on July 02, 2012, 04:09:02 AM
I started watching this series about last week now I'm hooked. It's so great!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 02, 2012, 10:10:13 AM

The SNES version will have to have the violence toned down.


Not only that but when you start each stage it will zoom in just like Super Mario World zooms in at the beginning of each stage. ZOOOOOOOOM!  At least the magazines of the day called that effect zooming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 02, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
dave white forever!! haha!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 02, 2012, 01:26:50 PM

The SNES version will have to have the violence toned down.


Not only that but when you start each stage it will zoom in just like Super Mario World zooms in at the beginning of each stage. ZOOOOOOOOM!  At least the magazines of the day called that effect zooming.

Haha!

How about an Actraiser-like rotational zoom starting from high above the earth, then spiraling down into a pixelated Dave head? This, of course, would be accompanied by emotionally epic chip music.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 03, 2012, 03:06:19 AM
Great episode, I enjoyed the parts about Earthworm Jim.  I actually prefer the SNES/Gens versions over the Saturn one.  Mainly looking at the bouncing puppy stage and the graphics.  The SNES version has amazing scaling effects that they totally removed from the Saturn version.  What gives?

Another great episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 03, 2012, 12:49:12 PM
The Saturn version wasn't developed by Shiny.  As I was looking at the side-by-side I started to like the Genesis and SNES versions better myself.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 09, 2012, 11:33:49 PM


We mess up a lot.  Hilarity ensues.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on July 09, 2012, 11:46:44 PM
Nice shots of the LaserActive at the end :P

Edit:
You said that the Sega module could sound distorted when taxed sometimes but, I'm just wondering, how does the Sega module compare to the infamous Mega drive/Genesis II in general sound-wise? Just curious.
And did you notice anything of the sort with the NEC module?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 11, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
The sound generally seems pretty good unless you have it near a CRT.  At least I can only assume that was the issue.  Otherwise I didn't notice anything really objectionable in the sound.  It might be like a good Genesis 2 that's prone to RF interference.  The PC Engine PAC sounds fine from what I can tell as well.  Both output better composite video than the composite on the regular systems, but it's still composite.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on July 11, 2012, 07:22:32 PM
Alright, thanks for clearing that up : D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 12, 2012, 04:00:56 AM
Alright, thanks for clearing that up : D

I've noticed with the Sega PAC there is a difference in color separation. Playing Aladdin on the LA compared to any of the Genesis configurations I have causes Aladdin to look quite a bit different.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on July 14, 2012, 08:34:21 PM
I know you guys get a slew of suggestions & whatnot, but I thought of something I'd like to see.

You should do an episode on mech games.  Who doesn't love giant robots blowing up shit?  I know you've already covered MUSHA, but you could do Metal Warriors, Cybernator/Assault Suits Valken, the Virtual-On games, Omega Boost...I can't think of any other notable ones at the moment but I'm sure there are more. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on July 14, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
^
Metal Wolf Chaos for the original Xbox! :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 15, 2012, 01:36:03 PM
New episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 16, 2012, 10:31:48 PM
New episode:

Left in the Arcade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgnQSmb3UM4)

Good episode i've all ready list a few games that i wished had a console port.

By the way ever hear of demon front !? Think of it as i.g.s take on metal slug.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on July 17, 2012, 06:25:37 PM
If you guys were ever willing to do an episode on shooters, SMS/GG vs NES style, I'd be willing to loan you some games (if you don't already have them, of course.)  Games like Recca, Crisis Force, Gradius II, and Tetrastar on the FC.  I also have Sagaia on the SMS, if you don't already have it, and an SMS repro of GG Aleste II. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 17, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Awesome, we'll keep that in mind.  It's a subject I'd definitely like to do.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on July 21, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
The sound generally seems pretty good unless you have it near a CRT.  At least I can only assume that was the issue.  Otherwise I didn't notice anything really objectionable in the sound.  It might be like a good Genesis 2 that's prone to RF interference.  The PC Engine PAC sounds fine from what I can tell as well.  Both output better composite video than the composite on the regular systems, but it's still composite.

This seems to be a common issue amongst Sega PAC users.  I have no idea why, but it does seem to be environmental.  Somehow distortion is picked up.  Every sega PAC I've used (dozens!) has had the same issue.  It doesnt matter if you've replaced the caps in them or not, the problem is still there.  I'll notice the issue when I run a laseractive in one room but it goes away if i move the unit to another room.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on July 21, 2012, 05:26:28 AM
Probably just interference.  There is pretty much zero shielding in them besides the PAC case itself.  And with so much jammed into that tiny PAC, really could have used a shielding plate between the boards imo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on July 21, 2012, 01:22:40 PM
If you guys were ever willing to do an episode on shooters, SMS/GG vs NES style, I'd be willing to loan you some games (if you don't already have them, of course.)  Games like Recca, Crisis Force, Gradius II, and Tetrastar on the FC.  I also have Sagaia on the SMS, if you don't already have it, and an SMS repro of GG Aleste II. 

Yeah this would be an awesome episode! Anyone have a copy of Power Strike II?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 29, 2012, 01:08:01 AM
Joe has the latest episode up now the madness know as fmv games  :shock: :shock:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 29, 2012, 02:10:14 AM
So is 32-bit FMV madness coming in two weeks? 3DO and CD-I stuff?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 29, 2012, 03:20:25 AM
Joe has the latest episode up now the madness know as fmv games  :shock: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggO1YWT8pk


Wirehead is so underrated!  LOVE THAT GAME!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 29, 2012, 07:21:35 PM
Joe has the latest episode up now the madness know as fmv games  :shock: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggO1YWT8pk


Wirehead is so underrated!  LOVE THAT GAME!!

I admit to liking some of the animated ones but that's far as it go's.Though it's some thing,how night trap became a cult classic for being such a bad game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on July 29, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
Joe has the latest episode up now the madness know as fmv games  :shock: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggO1YWT8pk


Holy crap, best ending ever!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 30, 2012, 01:27:54 AM
Joe has the latest episode up now the madness know as fmv games  :shock: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggO1YWT8pk


Holy crap, best ending ever!!

I found it hilarious as well.Still it's a shame that fmv was wasted on the sega-cd.If it had more games like sonic-cd,lunar tss&eb,popful mail etc it could have had a better run.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on July 30, 2012, 07:28:50 AM
Joe has the latest episode up now the madness know as fmv games  :shock: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggO1YWT8pk


Holy crap, best ending ever!!

I found it hilarious as well.Still it's a shame that fmv was wasted on the sega-cd.If it had more games like sonic-cd,lunar tss&eb,popful mail etc it could have had a better run.


There are some decent shooters for the Mega CD in Japan, but I agree. Then again, I can see why they went that route. It was something completely new at the time so they thought they could have a whole new market of interactive media to themselves.

Also, for a future Game Sack episode, how about unlicensed games? I'm not sure how many you guys have in your collection, but I'm always interested in unlicensed and homebrew games and would like to hear your opinions on them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 30, 2012, 02:32:28 PM

I can't wait to watch the latest episode of Game Sack. Where are my damn headphone? I just had them....

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on July 30, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
Joe is a better actor than Ghost, confirmed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 30, 2012, 05:30:32 PM
Great ending!

The rest of the show made me realize how many of these FMV games I actually enjoyed as a kid. Cobra Command was my favorite.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on July 30, 2012, 05:38:12 PM
I like the ending also
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on July 31, 2012, 08:49:54 AM
Great ending!

The rest of the show made me realize how many of these FMV games I actually enjoyed as a kid. Cobra Command was my favorite.

Yeah seeing that one brought back some memories. I had totally forgotten about that game. I also bought Night Trap at full retail price when it came out. I remember playing through it with my dad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: guyjin on July 31, 2012, 11:37:12 AM
I also bought Night Trap at full retail price when it came out. I remember playing through it with my dad.

First of all, I'm sorry. ;)
Second, how did your dad react to the controversy about it later, given that he played this game with his kid?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Samurai Ghost on July 31, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
I also bought Night Trap at full retail price when it came out. I remember playing through it with my dad.

First of all, I'm sorry. ;)
Second, how did your dad react to the controversy about it later, given that he played this game with his kid?

I don't know, I don't remember hearing about the controversy at the time. I think my parents figured I was intelligent enough to distinguish a game from reality.

Even then, I still don't think there's anything really objectionable about the content of the game at all (other than the horrible acting, dull gameplay, etc). The whole premise is that you are supposed to be saving these girls from random attackers who will somehow hurt them. The fact that there is a scene or two hinting they will actually get hurt if you fail seems like a no brainer. How else would you be able to make the game? Plus the actual scenes were no worse than anything for some crappy made-for-TV movie at the time, anyway. Just a big part of the whole anti-gaming witch hunt, or some marketing ploy by Nintendo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 11, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Game Sack WTF Episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 25, 2012, 09:10:36 PM
Gamesack Genesis/Mega Drive Shoot'em-Ups
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on August 25, 2012, 10:36:44 PM
Great episode, makes me want an import Mega Drive more than ever *looks at my PAL MD II*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on August 26, 2012, 09:29:39 AM
I didn't know Truxton was on the PC Engine

What's the Japanese name of it??
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 26, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Tatsujin!  It's closer to the arcade and the music is godly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on August 26, 2012, 09:40:02 AM
I saw it on ebay and my jaw dropped, Dam

The Earth Defend at 21:58

Look's like it could be done on the Master System
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 26, 2012, 12:29:26 PM
Do not insult the Master System!  Same with Xenon 2, actually... with the exception of the multilayered scrolling.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 26, 2012, 03:15:27 PM
Want to know who I heard really did the Thunder Blade port on the Genesis, Joe? Yuji Naka. Seriously.

Looks like I need to quit being lazy and buy Gairies. A damn beautiful game!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 26, 2012, 03:17:35 PM
Yeah I heard the Yuji Naka thing, too!  If that's true he must have hacked that together in a few days for practice or something.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on August 26, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Do not insult the Master System!  Same with Xenon 2, actually... with the exception of the multilayered scrolling.

I would never insult the Master System in anyway

I was just saying
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 26, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
Was kidding.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on August 28, 2012, 09:08:41 AM
Still loving Game Sack :-)

Great piece of work.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on August 28, 2012, 07:55:36 PM
Was kidding.

Got me there Joe
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 08, 2012, 08:15:19 PM
Gamesack N64  ](*,)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 09, 2012, 03:33:50 PM
The N64 is my girlfriend's fave system. She'll love this episode!

I agree on Majora's Mask. I couldn't get into it either. MM is only one of two console based Zeldas that I never did complete. Skyward Sword on the Wii being the other. What does that say about that game? :|

I still haven't picked up the Cruisin' games (despite enjoying the arcade version), nor Conker. I need to rectify that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 09, 2012, 04:52:34 PM
Make sure you don't spend too much on the Crus'n games.  They're decent but not great.  Very arcadey and that's their main draw for me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: motdelbourt on September 10, 2012, 06:46:51 PM
You know what I like about the 'Sack? You guys don't ghetto-ize lesser known systems like the Turbo. Every other show and podcast out there does their "TG 16" or "Jaguar" etc. special episode, and then resumes talking about NES games or some such, never to mention the lesser known platform again. You guys actually put that shit in context where it belongs, or at least do a "shooties" episode instead of just one overview.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 10, 2012, 07:35:23 PM
The N64 is my girlfriend's fave system. She'll love this episode!

I agree on Majora's Mask. I couldn't get into it either. MM is only one of two console based Zeldas that I never did complete. Skyward Sword on the Wii being the other. What does that say about that game? :|

I still haven't picked up the Cruisin' games (despite enjoying the arcade version), nor Conker. I need to rectify that.
I watched it and it was a good review 'but i never liked the N64.I'll just say my least favorite console by nintendo.Mostly because most of it's good games were first party and there were not many good ones by thirds either.Not to mention i couldn't stand it's controller i found it to arkward to use.By the way funny you mention how much you liked cruis'n usa,now i really liked it in the arcade but the N64 version sadly was a poor port.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 11, 2012, 11:21:12 AM
Oh we include the Turbo as often as we can.  In my opinion, it's the most underrated console out there, at least from a US standpoint.  And while we mention the NES from time to time, it's probably one of the systems we cover the least.  It gets about as much, if not slightly less coverage from us than the Master System.  Everyone else already does the NES to death.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 11, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
lol, that was a painful episode to watch through.
N64 just gives me nothing.
The rest was top as all the time :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on September 11, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Oh we include the Turbo as often as we can.  In my opinion, it's the most underrated console out there, at least from a US standpoint.  And while we mention the NES from time to time, it's probably one of the systems we cover the least.  It gets about as much, if not slightly less coverage from us than the Master System.  Everyone else already does the NES to death.

And I thank you for that. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 11, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
I'm honestly not sure which I like less, the N64 or the Wii.  I think I'm going to say the Wii.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on September 11, 2012, 01:09:13 PM
I'd have to agree with you Joe.  I've never owned a Wii, so I guess by default the N64 ranks higher in my book because at some point it interested me enough to purchase one.  The Wii has never been able to pique my interest.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on September 11, 2012, 01:37:06 PM
Im in the minority here... I love the N64 :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Lilgrafx on September 11, 2012, 02:14:11 PM
Im in the minority here... I love the N64 :)


I agree with you, excellent first party games and some kickass multiplayer game. I don't know why people bitch about it so much.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 11, 2012, 03:33:51 PM
Im in the minority here... I love the N64 :)


I agree with you, excellent first party games and some kickass multiplayer game. I don't know why people bitch about it so much.

Me either. My only real complaint is the lack of sprite-based 2D games. I would be interested to see how the N64 fairs against the Saturn for sprite-based 2D goodness.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on September 12, 2012, 07:03:14 AM
You didn't show Doom 64 or Quake 64
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 12, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
You are correct.  We did not.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on September 12, 2012, 06:21:44 PM
Why is that Joe?

Was it cuz of being just a PC Port
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 12, 2012, 07:15:36 PM
I thought about Doom 64 briefly.  But then I dismissed it.  I initially wanted to focus on N64 exclusives, but then Dave started talking about some games that weren't, like Conker.  They could have been included, I suppose.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on September 15, 2012, 05:27:00 PM
Glad to see Banjo Kazooie and Mischief Makers getting a mention :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 15, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
Im in the minority here... I love the N64 :)



I agree with you, excellent first party games and some kickass multiplayer game. I don't know why people bitch about it so much.


Me either. My only real complaint is the lack of sprite-based 2D games. I would be interested to see how the N64 fairs against the Saturn (and PS) for sprite-based 2D goodness.


THIS!

also one other sprite based game which could have been included into gamesack was bakuretsu muteki bangaioh. it showed at least some impressive sprites handling. but with millions of these on screen, also a n64 goes into its knees :lol:


but I would have loved to see a lot of mid 90s 2D arcade ports on the N64.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on September 16, 2012, 08:11:33 AM
Been watching quite a bit of Game Sack again today.  Up to Episode 36 - Happy Christmas!

Keep up the great work Guys ........ almost forgot Jen as well :-)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 17, 2012, 05:09:49 AM
Been watching quite a bit of Game Sack again today.  Up to Episode 36 - Happy Christmas!

Keep up the great work Guys ........ almost forgot Jen as well :-)


I have to do this one day. I have missed about 30 episodes. Just when I am about to watch an episode sitting on my "To Watch" list, a new is released by Joe & Company... (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 22, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
Game Sack-Left in the Arcades 2  :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on September 23, 2012, 04:47:19 AM
I actually enjoyed the video.  I am a big fan of the N64, and pre ordered mine, then stood in line on release day to get it.  But, overall, I have to say it kinda let me down with the games.  There are some VERY good games on the system, that I really enjoy, so dont get me wrong.  I just felt they could have done much better.  Some of my favorites from the system were, Mario 64, Turok, Shadowgate 64, OoT, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil 2, the Cruisin series, and a handful of others.  I did NOT enjoy Majoras Mask at all, for the same reasons stated in the video.  I thought it was kinda lame actually...  Anyway, thanks for another great video.  I actually seen a few games played in it, that I never thought to buy.  :)  So, its off to add to my 64 collection.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on September 27, 2012, 09:48:51 AM
I been watching Game Sack from episode 1

Out Run and the Street Fighter 2 is one of my Fave Episodes
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on September 27, 2012, 01:18:30 PM
I miss the episodes where they picked random games out of a sack and compared them. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 27, 2012, 11:15:34 PM
Dave doesn't like to do those.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on September 28, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
Dave doesn't like to do those.
You should let Dave know who the BOSS is!!!  lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 28, 2012, 07:09:41 AM
LOL.  Those are tough to do because they truly are random and everything needs to be done on the spot.  We don't have a lot of time to meet up to record the show.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 28, 2012, 07:24:11 AM
isch en guete special gsi :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 28, 2012, 07:11:43 PM
isch en guete special gsi :)


Indubitably. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 29, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
I have no idea what that means as even Google can't translate it.  I can only guess that you brokenly said "get a special guest"???
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on September 29, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
I would say something more along the lines of it's a good special.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 07, 2012, 11:02:21 AM
Latest episode:

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on October 07, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
I had the exact same reaction to Neo Turf Masters. I actually got a conversion as part of a Neo home system package I got last year as a freebie, and I just popped it in at random to see what it was like. I really didn't like golf at all.

Holy f*cking shit, I've probably played it more than any single Neo game since then. I've played it so much that when my wife and I are playing putt putt, if I make a good shot she goes "ON THE GWEEEEN!!!"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 07, 2012, 06:13:19 PM
Latest episode:

Games that Disappointed and Surprised Us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v52vDTKuRUA)

Thumbs up for guys mentioning motor toon grand prix and neo turf master,yes it's on the gween!!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 07, 2012, 11:41:02 PM
I would say something more along the lines of it's a good special.

wow, that's damn close :)
put it into past and it's perfect.

there is no swissler-translation machine outthere yet. sorry was also bit drunk when i wrote inhere...olo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on October 08, 2012, 06:00:51 AM
I would say something more along the lines of it's a good special.

wow, that's damn close :)
put it into past and it's perfect.

there is no swissler-translation machine outthere yet. sorry was also bit drunk when i wrote inhere...olo.
I would say something more along the lines of it's a good special.

wow, that's damn close :)
put it into past and it's perfect.

there is no swissler-translation machine outthere yet. sorry was also bit drunk when i wrote inhere...olo.

Menie duetsch ist nicht schelct.  Dies ist eine gute Nachricht.

Sorry it's been a while since I've used my deutsch . . . although swiss is a whole other animal!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 09, 2012, 04:09:40 PM
Neo Turf Masters is one Neo Geo game I should buy. Anyone have a AES copy?

I felt exactly like you did about Super Monaco, Joe. I really loved the arcade version and although the Genesis port disappointed it is still a classic in my book. It's a real pity that SEGA hasn't issued the arcade version on a compilation.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 09, 2012, 05:13:40 PM
Neo Turf Masters is one Neo Geo game I should buy. Anyone have a AES copy?
I hope you're not serious about getting ntm on the aes,i could of sworn ive seen it reaching $800.00+ :P

Cheapest option for getting that game is on mvs or ngcd.By the way "neo turf master" is worth it and you don't have to be a fan of golf to enjoy the game either.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 09, 2012, 05:17:30 PM
Neo Turf Masters is one Neo Geo game I should buy. Anyone have a AES copy?
I hope you're not serious about getting ntm on the aes,i could of sworn ive seen it reaching $800.00+ :P

Cheapest option for getting that game is on mvs or ngcd.By the way "neo turf master" is worth it and you don't to be a fan of golf to enjoy the game either.

$800?!?! Nevermind. A CMVS or converter is something I have put off for a long time due to price. I'll get an MVS version once I luck out and score one or the other.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 13, 2012, 06:59:07 AM

UPDATE FOR JOE: I've been slowly watching older episodes (I've missed so many) and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE Game Sack. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png). The episdoes look fantastic on my mega-sized HD screen--thank you for the excellent video quality.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 13, 2012, 10:35:48 AM
I'm glad to hear not everyone is watching them in the default 360p.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 13, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
I'm glad to hear not everyone is watching them in the default 360p.


My daughter and I enjoy watching the glorious HQ quality. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

It's one of the few things that she doesn't tell me to turn off (she thinks Top Gear is lame, for example. She's probably right. I don't even know why I bother with Top Gear.)

(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on October 13, 2012, 10:23:56 PM
It's one of the few things that she doesn't tell me to turn off (she thinks Top Gear is lame, for example. She's probably right. I don't even know why I bother with Top Gear.)

It's not lame, it's
ambitious but rubbish :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 14, 2012, 12:42:22 AM
the MVS cart is alot more affordable than even the neocd version of neo turf masters.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 14, 2012, 02:47:17 AM
It's one of the few things that she doesn't tell me to turn off (she thinks Top Gear is lame, for example. She's probably right. I don't even know why I bother with Top Gear.)


It's not lame, it's
ambitious but rubbish :mrgreen:


Hahahahahaha. SO TRUE. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on October 14, 2012, 03:10:24 AM
It's one of the few things that she doesn't tell me to turn off (she thinks Top Gear is lame, for example. She's probably right. I don't even know why I bother with Top Gear.)


It's not lame, it's
ambitious but rubbish :mrgreen:


Hahahahahaha. SO TRUE. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)



I LOVE TOP GEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://chaosrexmachinae.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/topgear_box.jpg)
(http://reviews.carreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/topgear1.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on October 15, 2012, 09:32:39 AM
Just watched Game Sack 058 - 16-Bit FMV Madness!

Love the video work and the end sketch :-)  Dam I never knew that there were so many FMV games and I worked at a computer/games store in the 90s!

Looking forward to the other episodes,  great production.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on October 15, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
Yeah, they do a great job IMO.  I like how they actually make it entertaining, lame jokes and all.  Kinda makes the show for me. I think Dave could take Joe though..... 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 15, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
He has broader shoulders but I'm quicker and more aggressive!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on October 16, 2012, 01:54:11 AM
Just curious, have you guys spent a lot of money in creating the show, or did you already have a camera and most other necessary equipment? Production values feels solid!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 16, 2012, 10:51:07 AM
We had a lot of the stuff since I'm a video editor by trade. But we (myself and Jen) built a studio for the show in the basement and bought lights, acoustical treatment and other stuff like that.  Also another camera and a bunch of high-end lenses.
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Post by: TR0N on October 20, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
Game Sack-Gaming on Halloween-2
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Post by: KnightWarrior on October 21, 2012, 03:53:53 PM
You guys forgot

Escape from Monster Manor - 3DO
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on October 22, 2012, 01:34:40 AM
CDi episode next??
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Post by: esteban on October 22, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
CDi episode next??

HECK YES.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 22, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
A'm all for a pippin ep.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on November 18, 2012, 02:39:33 PM
 Game Sack - Double Dragon
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 01, 2012, 07:49:01 PM
Game Sack-Games That Defy Genre
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on December 01, 2012, 11:33:17 PM
I never realized the double dragon games had slow down outside of MAME.
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Post by: futureman2000 on December 04, 2012, 02:41:15 PM
Yeah, I don't remember that sticking out either. Then again, the game was so unique that I wouldn't have noticed.
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Post by: turbokon on December 04, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
CDi is the worst console I ever owned!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on December 05, 2012, 01:35:45 AM
I never realized the double dragon games had slow down outside of MAME.
Oh god yes, Ope. Stay away from owning DD and play it once a year somewhere to remind you how bad the slow down is.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on December 05, 2012, 01:55:25 AM
Game Sack-Games That Defy Genre
Good as always!

Other genre defying:
Panic (SegaCD) - It's just a hot mess
Odama (GC) - Pinball tactical sim?
Seaman (DC) - Okay, so it's sort of like pikachu

I did think of Cabal/Blood Brothers/Nam '75/Gamshara style of games, but they would be more defining "behind that back, target shooter" type games rather than defying.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 05, 2012, 04:07:55 AM
I've tried to include Seaman in a few different episodes but have never gotten the eggs to hatch. It's too much godddamn work.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: psychobear on December 05, 2012, 05:47:18 AM
I was up for 3 hours watching these videos.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 15, 2012, 09:08:42 PM
Game Sack-Lincensed Games That Don't Suck
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 15, 2012, 11:50:34 PM
Game Sack-Lincensed Games That Don't Suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yhbYuDPAU


Dave is definitely going to mention the excellent Capcom Disney games on NES. Joe will mention the Sega Disney games...hopefully Sunsoft's NES Batman isn't forgotten!

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Post by: Tatsujin on December 16, 2012, 03:36:44 AM
Damn esty, you were never unrighter than just now :P
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Post by: turboswimbz on December 16, 2012, 03:42:14 AM
I'm sure some people will knock me for this, But My favorite arcade game of all time is Daytona USA (*edit:* and 2)!  Nothing better than throwing a ton of money into a machine, sitting on the sticky seat and showing up everyone playing. Even Had a chance to buy a machine a while back but had no where to put it.  Man I hope they get these back in the arcades after they clean up from Sandy. 
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Post by: spenoza on December 16, 2012, 09:30:48 AM
I love Daytona USA, especially with a friend or two, but I have to say that I like SCUD Race and Daytona 2 just as much, if not more, if only because of the improved visuals. Visuals aren't everything, though, because as much as I like Sega Rally 2, I hate the latest Sega Rally in the arcades.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on December 16, 2012, 03:14:26 PM
Re: Not being able to hear the voice in Daytona USA HD

The crew chief's voice plays out of the rear speakers on a 5.1 setup. Sounds okay on my setup, although I have the rear speakers turned up a little.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 16, 2012, 04:19:44 PM
Game Sack-Lincensed Games That Don't Suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yhbYuDPAU


Dave is definitely going to mention the excellent Capcom Disney games on NES. Joe will mention the Sega Disney games...hopefully Sunsoft's NES Batman isn't forgotten!



As tats mention not one disney nes game was mention.......
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 16, 2012, 05:17:48 PM
Game Sack-Lincensed Games That Don't Suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yhbYuDPAU


Dave is definitely going to mention the excellent Capcom Disney games on NES. Joe will mention the Sega Disney games...hopefully Sunsoft's NES Batman isn't forgotten!



As tats mention not one disney nes game was mention.......


Wow, I was 100% wrong! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on December 16, 2012, 06:47:15 PM
I only have limited experience with the Daytona USA arcade version,
but I do quite like the Saturn version. Even if it's jerky and wonky looking :mrgreen:

I DO have some problems winning races and drifting tho', anyone got some techniques to share? :)

Do-dodo-do-do-do-do-do-dooo doooooo DAAAAYYYTOOOOONAAAAAAAA~~~!

*rocks out*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on December 16, 2012, 11:14:48 PM
I only have experience with the Arcade Daytona USA. munched me away as much as coins as I would have payed for an original sit-down double cab at homey, back during the few years when it was in our local arcade.
we playewd it literally every day. its was the biggest (s)hit sega probably ever hitted into the arcades! very big cinema!

when the SS version came out, I had nothing left for it than a lil' lol -> :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 17, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
Props to mentioning Jeff and Tim Follin. I'll have to pick that game up now just to rock out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 17, 2012, 02:21:14 AM
Sorry to double post but I wanted to share that Daytonaaaaaaaaa video. I went from thinking that the song was sung by a creepy American dude to loving its Japanese cheese. I am going to pick up both Saturn versions now just because of it.


I have already watched it twice.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on December 17, 2012, 02:54:21 AM
Some more to rock out to :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on December 17, 2012, 05:36:29 AM
I DO have some problems winning races and drifting tho', anyone got some techniques to share? :)

Here's a few:

Use the manual transmission. The car is a bit faster than the auto version, and most of the stupid driving tricks you can do in the game are easier with the manual.

Drafting (aka slipstreaming) especially in the beginner course, can make you go faster than your top speed. The manual Hornet's top speed is 201 mph, you can go 208 by drafting.

Learn to drift. The last turn in the beginner course is made to teach you how to drift. Two ways to drift: Slam on the brakes and enter the turn, then use the gas to control the rear end, or downshift in the turn. When you get used to it, use both.

Downshift to slow down. This is an arcade racer, you can't blow the engine up overrevving, so if you need to slow down in a hurry, throw it into 3rd and you'll almost instantly be going at 3rd gear's top speed, which is around 170mph. Doing this in straights is pretty safe, but it's dangerous around corners unless you are trying to initiate a drift.

If you have the HD versions, look at the leaderboards and download the videos for the top players. See what they do and do it yourself! The top times use glitches for the best time, but you can still learn something.

If you are playing on Saturn, unlock the orange car and use it. It's not the fastest car, but it's the easiest to drive for a rookie.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on December 17, 2012, 08:29:38 AM
Thanks!
I was already driving with manual transmission (racing games are just more fun that way) but I'll give those methods a try. Cheers! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on December 17, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Sorry to double post but I wanted to share that Daytonaaaaaaaaa video. I went from thinking that the song was sung by a creepy American dude to loving its Japanese cheese. I am going to pick up both Saturn versions now just because of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZk-Ar6a6w

I have already watched it twice.


Did he also do "game over yeeeeeeah!"?
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Post by: Mathius on December 17, 2012, 02:43:21 PM
Sorry to double post but I wanted to share that Daytonaaaaaaaaa video. I went from thinking that the song was sung by a creepy American dude to loving its Japanese cheese. I am going to pick up both Saturn versions now just because of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZk-Ar6a6w

I have already watched it twice.


Did he also do "game over yeeeeeeah!"?


I am fairly positive. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 18, 2012, 01:09:24 PM
That would indeed be very creepy if it was an American dude singing like that. And yep, Game Over Yeah is him, too!

Quote from: JKM
Re: Not being able to hear the voice in Daytona USA HD

The crew chief's voice plays out of the rear speakers on a 5.1 setup. Sounds okay on my setup, although I have the rear speakers turned up a little.

I do play in a 5.1 setup. Actually 7.1. PS3 version is used. Room is set to pink noise at the following levels:

Left = 85db
Center = 85db
Right = 85db
Left Surround = 83db
Left Back Surround = 83db
Right Back Surround = 83db
Right Surround = 83 db
Subwoofer = 95db

That's how I set up real movie theaters so of course I set up my living room the same way. I think maybe Sega just sucks with sound now or I have an option set wrong somewhere.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on December 19, 2012, 01:15:08 AM
I think maybe Sega just sucks with sound

This is probably it. The other things that play out of the rear speakers are pretty out of place, it's like dead silence and then NOISE! I do wish it had an option for regular stereo, but I'm not going to reconfigure my 360's audio every time I play Daytona.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 20, 2012, 10:18:59 AM
I was recording in stereo when I made the Game Sack video and it was no different.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 29, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
Game Sack-Sega Saturn
All right one of my favorite consoles of all time  :dance:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on December 30, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Nice! A half hour of Saturn goodness. The Saturn has turned into one of my favorite systems over the last few years. Thanks for the episode, Joe. :D
Title: Re: Shaq Attack
Post by: blueraven on December 31, 2012, 08:28:42 PM
The Saturn is one of those consoles that the owners wish never died.

Kind of like Elvis.

Funny thing is, I remember when Magic Knight Rayearth was on clearance at Software Etc. new for $10. And the feeling of anguish knowing that it was the last title for the system.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 12, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
Game Sack-Multiplayer Games

Thumbs up joe up for mentioning guantlet iv man that game has a great ost !
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 17, 2013, 01:31:01 AM
wow, that one really lacked some hard potion of OBEY.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 17, 2013, 07:50:44 AM
Well, watch the next one in a little over a week as it'll have some.

Also, I don't have a working Turbo tap. I took out player 5's DIN to make it into an RGB jack for my for the IFU and now Turbo Tap doesn't want to work with even 2 players.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 17, 2013, 08:43:29 AM
Well, watch the next one in a little over a week as it'll have some.

Also, I don't have a working Turbo tap. I took out player 5's DIN to make it into an RGB jack for my for the IFU and now Turbo Tap doesn't want to work with even 2 players.

The next video also needs Super Monkey Ball
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 17, 2013, 06:27:30 PM
Already did that in the Gamecube episode.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 18, 2013, 09:55:48 PM
Joe, I loved that episode. I watched it last night as I ate biscotti and cold coffee at 11:50 pm. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

I was not familiar with all the games, which, of course, makes me eager to play them!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wallzter on January 21, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Hey Joe just found out about your channel recently while I was on retroware TV. Been watching them since Love the videos man good job. Keep em Coming!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 22, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
I'm just amazed that someone saw it over at Retroware TV! It's kind of hard to get views over there because the submission gets hidden really fast.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wallzter on January 22, 2013, 09:56:53 AM
Yea was watching "The video game years" and it came out on the side bar under related videos. I got lucky because i havent seen it come up again. Seen em all!! Do you guys plan on doing any episodes based on consoles before the 8 bit era?
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Post by: lukester on January 22, 2013, 10:54:29 AM
Yea was watching "The video game years" and it came out on the side bar under related videos. I got lucky because i havent seen it come up again. Seen em all!! Do you guys plan on doing any episodes based on consoles before the 8 bit era?

Man, an SG-1000 episode would be extremely interesting. I have over 20 games for it, and it is a great system for its time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 22, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
Eventually we'd like to. But first we must procure systems and games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wallzter on January 22, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
The Sg-1000 should be right up Joe's alley!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: lukester on January 23, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
The Sg-1000 should be right up Joe's alley!!!

Heheh, the SG-1000 is very different than Sega's later systems. It's like a ColecoVision, but way more badass. Identical specs, as well. Also somewhat like the MSX, but MSX has a ton of weird computer software. I don't collect MSX.

Joe, if you have any questions about the SG-1000, and what games are easiest to find and fun to play, please PM me. I have a good portion of the system's library of fun, arcade-like games. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 26, 2013, 08:26:37 PM
Game Sack Left in Japan 4+Twin Famicom
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 26, 2013, 10:42:36 PM
niec, will watch that later before le sleep :)
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Post by: SuperPlay on January 27, 2013, 01:58:57 AM
Another great episode :-) Thanks
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 27, 2013, 02:10:35 AM
I am going to wait and watch this tomorrow night with my girlfriend. I loaned Joe the Twin Fami so she will kill me if I watch it without her.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 27, 2013, 02:23:48 AM
hehe^^
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Post by: spenoza on January 27, 2013, 02:59:45 AM
Pretty good episode. Wish you'd had more games on disk to show off, especially ones which made better use of the FM capabilities. Zelda 2 was a fantastic example, but it looks like you guys try to record from hardware, and I know it can be a pain to get hold of some titles.

Also, a proposed episode idea, something that's had info around on the 'net for a long time but could use the quality Game Sack treatment: JPN vs US releases. Dracula 3 (NES vs FC, imagery and audio comparison), Bare Knuckle series (US vs JPN), etc... Stuff like that could make for a cool episode, especially since you guys do a great job with quality video and audio presentation.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 27, 2013, 07:15:17 AM
Pretty good episode. Wish you'd had more games on disk to show off, especially ones which made better use of the FM capabilities. Zelda 2 was a fantastic example, but it looks like you guys try to record from hardware, and I know it can be a pain to get hold of some titles.

Also, a proposed episode idea, something that's had info around on the 'net for a long time but could use the quality Game Sack treatment: JPN vs US releases. Dracula 3 (NES vs FC, imagery and audio comparison), Bare Knuckle series (US vs JPN), etc... Stuff like that could make for a cool episode, especially since you guys do a great job with quality video and audio presentation.

The library of games I have for the FDS are very limited. Wish I had more to send, especially FM capable disks. Though as I have said to Joe I enjoy the NES/Famicom's standard PSG more than the FM. There is just something warmer about the PSG that makes it more listenable. The same can't be said with the Master System's FM. It rocks!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 28, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Pretty good episode. Wish you'd had more games on disk to show off, especially ones which made better use of the FM capabilities. Zelda 2 was a fantastic example, but it looks like you guys try to record from hardware, and I know it can be a pain to get hold of some titles.

Also, a proposed episode idea, something that's had info around on the 'net for a long time but could use the quality Game Sack treatment: JPN vs US releases. Dracula 3 (NES vs FC, imagery and audio comparison), Bare Knuckle series (US vs JPN), etc... Stuff like that could make for a cool episode, especially since you guys do a great job with quality video and audio presentation.

The library of games I have for the FDS are very limited.
To bad i did wonder why joe didn't have much to review.Heck,i could have donated if need be i do have plenty of games for the FDS.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Starfighter on January 30, 2013, 05:20:42 PM
YOU are Joe? How did I not realize? Maybe because I haven't been around here for quite some time, but anyway. Game Sack is very entertaining, we have just watched all of your videos during tv-dinners and what not. Really sweet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 09, 2013, 08:16:58 PM
Overlooked Gems
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 10, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
I am glad Drill Dozer had a mention. Curiously, there are parts of the game that remind me of Air Zonk of all things. Once you power up your drill to level 3 the music changes (there is different music for the other levels too) and the tune sounds like something out of Air Zonk. The blue level complete sequence (I think that is what I am thinking of) looks like Zonk's with it's blue bubbly scrolling background. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on February 10, 2013, 07:46:25 PM
I am glad Drill Dozer had a mention.

Yeah, never heard of this one before but it seemed very interesting, the sprite animation seemed rocking and the rumble feature amusingly silly.

Edit: Just did a quick search for what a boxed copy goes for and stumbled over one of those VGA graded ones. $80 plus shipping, now ain't that a steal :lol:  #-o
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on February 12, 2013, 02:19:06 AM
Drill Dozer is a pretty inexpensive game, that price is stupid. Everyone with a GBA should have it.

Over at TNL for a while we kept grabbing clearance copies at Walmart or wherever for like $7 and shipping them to other members for free, because EVERYONE should have Drill Dozer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 02, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
Game Sack-Arcade vs Console 2
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 03, 2013, 12:03:17 AM
Another great episode!!  Good to see Joe kicked that Gallbladder's ass!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on March 03, 2013, 01:05:12 AM
Nice episode! Some great artwork was produced for Super Contra: http://images.wikia.com/video-games/images/8/82/SuperContraARC.jpg

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 03, 2013, 01:13:10 AM
I just slurped that episode with pleasure. also I'm glad to hear, that both of you have recovered well from your maladies :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 03, 2013, 04:22:03 AM
Holy crap that Super Contra arcade poster/flyer is awesome! If I had saw that before I would have purposely made Dave mention that somehow.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 03, 2013, 11:41:35 AM
WHAT PLACE IS THIS?! :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 03, 2013, 12:17:47 PM
Thunduur Bladers!!!! Thanks Joe for finally covering this excellent SEGA masterpiece (in the arcade anyway). You mirrored my thoughts on the arcade game word for word. It was my favorite arcade game growing up and it still is. I was understandably let down by the domestic home versions but I gleamed every last ounce of enjoyment out of them back in the 80s. The SMS version's cave environs were a test of reflexes to say the least. And I would even enjoy the build-up to each stage on the Genesis version. I beat both many times. Love this game more than it is healthy! :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on March 04, 2013, 01:31:19 PM
Oh yeah, Thunder Blade... am I the only one that thinks that the Genesis/PCE versions have awful music?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 04, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
Compared to the uberawesome arcade musics done by namiki koichi, a def. YES!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 04, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
WHAT PLACE IS THIS?! :P

KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED !
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on March 04, 2013, 11:02:44 PM
There is only one good home port of Thunder Blade, and that's the X68000 version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 04, 2013, 11:54:04 PM
that's right. but the peke ain't no console ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on March 05, 2013, 03:28:55 AM
Thunduur Bladers!!!! Thanks Joe for finally covering this excellent SEGA masterpiece (in the arcade anyway). You mirrored my thoughts on the arcade game word for word. It was my favorite arcade game growing up and it still is. I was understandably let down by the domestic home versions but I gleamed every last ounce of enjoyment out of them back in the 80s. The SMS version's cave environs were a test of reflexes to say the least. And I would even enjoy the build-up to each stage on the Genesis version. I beat both many times. Love this game more than it is healthy! :D

Not going to lie - I was pumped to get my Thunderblade arcade machine, then horrified when i realized that I have no more nostalgia for the game :) It's a technical marvel for sure, but man it controls like dogshit. It went to a good home though - the guy I sold it to is doing a full resto on it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 05, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
Thunduur Bladers!!!! Thanks Joe for finally covering this excellent SEGA masterpiece (in the arcade anyway). You mirrored my thoughts on the arcade game word for word. It was my favorite arcade game growing up and it still is. I was understandably let down by the domestic home versions but I gleamed every last ounce of enjoyment out of them back in the 80s. The SMS version's cave environs were a test of reflexes to say the least. And I would even enjoy the build-up to each stage on the Genesis version. I beat both many times. Love this game more than it is healthy! :D

Not going to lie - I was pumped to get my Thunderblade arcade machine, then horrified when i realized that I have no more nostalgia for the game :) It's a technical marvel for sure, but man it controls like dogshit. It went to a good home though - the guy I sold it to is doing a full resto on it.

I always thought I had a good handle on the arcade's controls. I could even land on the roofs of buildings during both overhead and behind-the-shoulder sections in the first stage. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on March 05, 2013, 03:41:18 PM
I watched this episode on the Vita. It filled me with rage, as now I want to play TMNT and Shinobi on the thing.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 16, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
Game Sack RPGs

Also Dave and Joe will be on the agg podcast as guest here's the trailer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 16, 2013, 09:28:10 PM
I might pass that one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 16, 2013, 10:36:47 PM
I might pass that one.
They cover some 16-bit rpgs so check it out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 16, 2013, 11:26:37 PM
I might pass that one.
They cover some 16-bit rpgs so check it out.
thx, but I might still passing :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 17, 2013, 12:44:54 AM
I might pass that one.

They cover some 16-bit rpgs so check it out.

thx, but I might still passing :)


THE TRUTH. IT STINGS. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on March 17, 2013, 05:40:36 AM
Well I'm glad Joe Redifer represents the Turbografx well... because you hardly see PC Engine in any of those retro channels with big follower numbers. And also because of that "Angry PC Engine nerd" video that makes everyone to think that PC Engine fans are whiny little... uh never mind, keep up the good work Game Sack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 17, 2013, 11:21:02 AM

Also Dave and Joe will be on the agg podcast as guest here's the trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyBLBVRDD_4


LOL they made a trailer? Interesting how he added a "DJ-like" echo to his voice.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on March 17, 2013, 01:30:55 PM
Awww man... Dragon Warrior didn't get a spot in Part 1.  :(  Interestingly, I found Phantasy Star III a lot of fun, however I must admit I've never messed with the original on SMS, and I didn't care too much for II.  I do have a Sega Collection on my 360, and it contains all four of them, so I may give em all a shot now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on March 17, 2013, 01:37:47 PM
Bernie passed Phantasy Star II and III along to me in a raffle and I've tried a couple of times to get into both and neither one has been able to suck me in.  I keep thinking I'll give them another go one of these days.  

The dungeon exploring in PS1 blew me away back in the day.  I picked up a Phantasy Star Collection for the GBA and have tried getting into the first one again, but that one hasn't stuck yet either....

EDIT:  I just wanted to add that I thought it was a great episode and love the atmosphere of the PS games.  Phantasy Star Online is probably singularly responsible for me holding onto my Dreamcast, though Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur and Space Channel 5 help!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 17, 2013, 02:14:29 PM
I have tried my damnedest to get into Phantasy Star but, aside from the difficulty, the item naming is way overly complicated! Even the most accessible game in the series, PSIV, drives me nuts with the names of items and spells. It really sucks the enjoyment out for me, but I haven't given up on the series yet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 17, 2013, 02:20:41 PM
Great episode.
I've played through every game you covered and mostly agree with your opinions.

Just on a side note Joe, is that a custom plastic case for your Phantasy Star IV?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 17, 2013, 03:56:32 PM
Yes, it deserved better.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 17, 2013, 04:48:22 PM
Yes, it deserved better.

So does my copy of Castlevania: Bloodlines. I would really like to relieve it of its cardboard prison. My copy of PSIV is loose though. I am still looking for a case and manual.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 17, 2013, 06:11:55 PM

Also Dave and Joe will be on the agg podcast as guest here's the trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyBLBVRDD_4


LOL they made a trailer? Interesting how he added a "DJ-like" echo to his voice.

I wasn't expecting you two to be on there as guest  :shock: Id sub to there yt channel,so i know when the next agg is so i check it last nite and there it was.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 17, 2013, 10:26:15 PM


So does my copy of Castlevania: Bloodlines. I would really like to relieve it of its cardboard prison. My copy of PSIV is loose though. I am still looking for a case and manual.

They actually made a clamshell Bloodlines. Phantasy Star IV was cardboard box only.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on March 18, 2013, 02:51:20 AM


So does my copy of Castlevania: Bloodlines. I would really like to relieve it of its cardboard prison. My copy of PSIV is loose though. I am still looking for a case and manual.

They actually made a clamshell Bloodlines. Phantasy Star IV was cardboard box only.

Clamshell Bloodlines seems to go on the 'bay for about double what the cardboard one does, at least in the auctions I was watching. Guessing the cardboard version (which I have) is like the second printing or something? anybody know?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 18, 2013, 03:19:48 AM


Clamshell Bloodlines seems to go on the 'bay for about double what the cardboard one does, at least in the auctions I was watching. Guessing the cardboard version (which I have) is like the second printing or something? anybody know?


Yeah, the cardboard games came later. I suspect it was printed in 95 or the Majesco era.

Added in edit: It was a Majesco re-release
(http://i.imgur.com/4iMz7Ys.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 18, 2013, 07:54:09 AM
That is why I haven't dropped the cash on a clamshell case. I saw my copy in a local store for $5 last year and I couldn't pass it up. The cart looked like it had never been played.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 18, 2013, 08:14:47 AM
Castlevania clamshell also comes with an instruction manual that has a color cover. Majesco manual is 100% black and white.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on March 18, 2013, 08:23:29 AM
Castlevania clamshell also comes with an instruction manual that has a color cover. Majesco manual is 100% black and white.

The B&W manual is crap.  What a rip-off. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 21, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
Game Sack RPGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfPzI9iY0o

Also Dave and Joe will be on the agg podcast as guest here's the trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyBLBVRDD_4

It's out now if any one wants to listen to it.
http://www.allgengamers.com (http://www.allgengamers.com/)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 30, 2013, 08:06:27 PM
Game Sack-moRe rEally bAd gamES!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 31, 2013, 02:27:22 AM
Game Sack-moRe rEally bAd gamES!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWgeB2A6EeI


Yay! (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png) (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png) (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png) (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Joe, I haven't mentioned this (I meant to a few weeks ago), but my daughter and I love watcing Game Sack! She loves everything (the commentary, the humor, your personalities, etc.) and watches it for pure entertainment...sure, she gets to see (and learn) about some games that I don't have, but she's watching primarily because she enjoys it (she's not a video game nerd...yet). (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on March 31, 2013, 02:43:31 AM
These episodes are consistently entertaining.  I love the little goofy bits after the credits roll.  Top notch all around.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 31, 2013, 02:47:52 AM
I'll watch this one after work today. I always look forward to Game Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 31, 2013, 06:01:40 AM
YOU WORK ON THE SABBATH?

Esteban, that's awesome to hear! We're always happy and amazed when someone actually enjoys the show instead of just looking at games.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 31, 2013, 08:21:23 AM
YOU WORK ON THE SABBATH?

Esteban, that's awesome to hear! We're always happy and amazed when someone actually enjoys the show instead of just looking at games.  :)

Unfortunately. I work in retail.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 31, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
black sabbath(es) for mathi :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 31, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
Thanks for covering Night Creatures, I hate that game too
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 31, 2013, 04:15:08 PM
Didn't watch it yet, but I hope that legion will be covered and that 5th Element too (oh no wait, that ain't no game) LOL.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on March 31, 2013, 04:30:31 PM
Didn't watch it yet, but I hope that legion will be covered and that 5th Element too (oh no wait, that ain't no game) LOL.

Just watched it earlier. Luckily, I don't believe I ever played any of the mentioned games. Too bad Blaster Master 2 is such a piece. Real shame. It's graphics have a "Shadow of the Beast" thing going on.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 31, 2013, 06:16:47 PM
Yeah I really kind of liked the art in Blaster Master 2 and was sooooo let down by the game. The original was a game that made me sad I didn't have an NES.

Quote from: DragonmanserDan
Thanks for covering Night Creatures, I hate that game too

Oh yeah... I'd still rather play it than Aero the Acro-Bat, though. And Blaster Master 2. I don't know how Sunsoft did it, but they were able to produce games that made me physically ill to play. And guess who had to play them for the episode since he's the only one amongst the Game Sack crew who has a Genesis with S-video? And then spend more time with them in editing? The first "Really Bad Games" episode was kind of fun because the games were so bad you could laugh at them. Not these. They're just bad. They cause pain.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 31, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
Quote from: DragonmanserDan
Thanks for covering Night Creatures, I hate that game too

Oh yeah... I'd still rather play it than Aero the Acro-Bat, though. And Blaster Master 2. I don't know how Sunsoft did it, but they were able to produce games that made me physically ill to play. And guess who had to play them for the episode since he's the only one amongst the Game Sack crew who has a Genesis with S-video? And then spend more time with them in editing? The first "Really Bad Games" episode was kind of fun because the games were so bad you could laugh at them. Not these. They're just bad. They cause pain.

You covered Sword of Sodan in an earlier episode, correct? I'd rather play Sword of Sodan (which is wretched, as you know) than Blaster Master 2.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 01, 2013, 01:53:37 AM
lol great show, even some titles didn't feel all that crappy as they do appear in a first glimpse.

great ending too. altough I really wished you guys mean it for real.. oh you know what have should been written here instead :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on April 01, 2013, 02:48:27 AM
Quote from: DragonmanserDan
Thanks for covering Night Creatures, I hate that game too

Oh yeah... I'd still rather play it than Aero the Acro-Bat, though. And Blaster Master 2. I don't know how Sunsoft did it, but they were able to produce games that made me physically ill to play. And guess who had to play them for the episode since he's the only one amongst the Game Sack crew who has a Genesis with S-video? And then spend more time with them in editing? The first "Really Bad Games" episode was kind of fun because the games were so bad you could laugh at them. Not these. They're just bad. They cause pain.

You covered Sword of Sodan in an earlier episode, correct? I'd rather play Sword of Sodan (which is wretched, as you know) than Blaster Master 2.



Oh god I got that game for xmas one year because it looked awesome in the magazines. I was completely and utterly horrified after the first 5 minutes.

The worst part, is that I was at that age where you just suck it up and play it anyway because you're not getting another new game for 6 months, haha.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 13, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
Game Sack-Gaming on a Budget
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on April 13, 2013, 10:13:12 PM
*monocle*

True class. Loved the after-credits bonus :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on April 14, 2013, 01:43:18 AM
great episode! Enjoyed it quite a bit.  Now to find a few of these.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 14, 2013, 07:12:35 AM
NEVER DISAPPOINTS! Ever. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)

My daughter and I especially loved the props/wardrobe used in this episode (an instant classic, goddammit).

 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 15, 2013, 11:45:10 PM
NEVER DISAPPOINTS! Ever. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)

My daughter and I especially loved the props/wardrobe used in this episode (an instant classic, goddammit).

 

Ditto,they did show a good of deal of games that can be bought rather cheaply.Still after reading most of the comments in the video.I spotted a few that had to be dicks about it saying emulation is free.I guess they miss the point of the video  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 16, 2013, 12:21:38 AM
f*ck those emu kids. they don't know shit about playfun and such.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 16, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
I think I enjoyed the music you played in place of Tony Hawk's actual "tunes" more!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on April 17, 2013, 01:14:12 AM
I love how you guys keep it fresh. I try other YT channels, but I keep coming back to GS. Just the right mix of facts and aloofness.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on April 17, 2013, 06:04:18 AM
Also you guys understand the concept of "lighting" and "production values". Some other YT stuff is damn near unwatchable for those reasons.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 17, 2013, 10:11:51 AM
Also you guys understand the concept of "lighting" and "production values". Some other YT stuff is damn near unwatchable for those reasons.

Yeah most shows have to go "corporate" before they reach those levels of production. Game Sack has always been quality and I am proud to be apart of their legacy.

Keep it real, Joe and Dave. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 21, 2013, 07:39:32 AM
fo shizzle yo!  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 05, 2013, 12:58:14 AM
when comes teh new ep. ? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on May 05, 2013, 01:49:43 AM
Ive recently been watching the show. I really like it, and its becoming one of my fav you tube game related shows to watch. I Do disagree with some aspects of the show. Like how every fighting game is hacked up to be a button masher ( probably because i play fighters at a competitive level) but thats just me being nit picky.  Other than that, i really enjoy it
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 05, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
when comes teh new ep. ? :)


It doesn't look like anyone posted last week's episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on May 05, 2013, 09:45:38 AM
Just watched it earlier - nice gaming room and audio setups. Even the retro systems gets a nice pair of speakers, as they well should :mrgreen:

Dave should put up a sign "You have found a secret area" above the entrance to his secret box storage...space...room thing. And put a chest in there for good measure.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on May 05, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
Just watched it earlier - nice gaming room and audio setups. Even the retro systems gets a nice pair of speakers, as they well should :mrgreen:

Dave should put up a sign "You have found a secret area" above the entrance to his secret box storage...space...room thing. And put a chest in there for good measure.

Or dead hookers. That's usually what gets stuffed in mysterious holes in the wall of someones large house.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 05, 2013, 11:40:57 PM
when comes teh new ep. ? :)


It doesn't look like anyone posted last week's episode:

Room and Collection Tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQxT2_DVcRQ)


wow joe thx. nice show offs there. no. great stuff. especially your studio and all the free space you guys have over there :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: grahf on May 06, 2013, 03:36:43 AM
Yeah no joke! I forgot how much space people have in America.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 11, 2013, 11:13:30 PM
Potato Sack !!! Err-Game Sack-RPGS Part 2
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 11, 2013, 11:34:25 PM
bummler :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 11, 2013, 11:53:30 PM
bummler :(
You don't know how to obey the role of the dice do you  :roll:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 12, 2013, 08:31:13 AM
Oh, just watch it, Tats.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 12, 2013, 08:48:12 AM
Here's some fun fact's on Panzer Dragoon Saga. The low print run legend comes from the fact that when originally released in May of 1998 Sega of America printed only 6,000 copies.

However, Sega made several reprints starting in July 1998 and through September of that year. There was around 36,000 North American copies of the game. It's actually an average level print run for a US Saturn game. It's just a high demand game, and the legend of the low print run remains years later.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on May 12, 2013, 11:32:31 AM
Here's some fun fact's on Panzer Dragoon Saga. The low print run legend comes from the fact that when originally released in May of 1998 Sega of America printed only 6,000 copies.

However, Sega made several reprints starting in July 1998 and through September of that year. There was around 36,000 North American copies of the game. It's actually an average level print run for a US Saturn game. It's just a high demand game, and the legend of the low print run remains years later.


I didn't know that. Interesting.


Oh, just watch it, Tats.


He will, grudgingly. HA! (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on May 13, 2013, 03:30:18 AM
another awesome ep.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on May 13, 2013, 06:49:30 AM
I was expecting Grandia to be mentioned at any second but yeah, then I read the comment field and understood why.

Still, for a guy who don't really like RPGs, Grandia has given me lots of fun :mrgreen:

Not sure if I'll ever finish it, however. It drags on forever...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 13, 2013, 07:15:06 AM
I was expecting Grandia to be mentioned at any second but yeah, then I read the comment field and understood why.

Still, for a guy who don't really like RPGs, Grandia has given me lots of fun :mrgreen:

Not sure if I'll ever finish it, however. It drags on forever...

Grandia 1 is terrific.

Great characters, great pacing and interesting and whimsical scenarios. Even the battle system is a lot of fun. Oh, and don't forget the music.


The second game tried too hard to be "bad ass" and copy the dark SquareSoft aesthetic of the time it was made. I wasn't that impressed with X-treme and while I own Grandia 3 it didn't keep my interest long enough to progress very far.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 13, 2013, 08:13:50 AM
I never finished Grandia 2. I don't even know how far in I got. At least several hours. No idea how long the game is.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 13, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Love the vids.  Just watched the Game Cube Episode.  Where in the worlds can I get a Component Cable for my Game cube?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 13, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
I'm pretty sure I got mine direct from Nintendo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on May 13, 2013, 01:48:57 PM
Love the vids.  Just watched the Game Cube Episode.  Where in the worlds can I get a Component Cable for my Game cube?

They are not manufactured anymore and are costly. They used components in the cable to aid in the progressive scan video signal, so you cant just build one on the fly. You also need a older GC deck with the correct digital AV port. It is cheaper and best to just buy a old Wii with GC ability and use that instead via component out at this point.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on May 13, 2013, 03:14:10 PM
I'm pretty sure I got mine direct from Nintendo.

Got mine direct from Nintendo back in 2004 for about $25. Thank god I didn't throw the box away; never dreamed it would become a collector's item.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 13, 2013, 04:29:45 PM
Yes the Gamecube has digital video that the component cable converts into an analog signal. I don't know if the digital is DVI-spec or not. Knowing Nintendo, probably not.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 13, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
One of the great things about Super Mario RPG is that it still fun to play as an adult but it doesn't have any scary monsters or adult plot lines so I can play it around my 5 year old. :)  It's funny how that's become a factor these days.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 13, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
I couldn't watch the whole episode because YT was being a pain. I got through most of it though. Will someone please sell me a reasonably priced copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga? Please? Anyone?

...damn.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 13, 2013, 06:16:13 PM
I couldn't watch the whole episode because YT was being a pain. I got through most of it though. Will someone please sell me a reasonably priced copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga? Please? Anyone?

...damn.
LOL if you don't mind the language barrier the JP version of PDS often go's for $30.00  :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on May 14, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
Panzer Dragoon Saga looks very neat, I'll end up buying a Saturn + the Japanese copy (and of course a *ahem* backup of the US one) just so I can play it.

Great episode!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 25, 2013, 08:16:09 PM
Game Sack The Neo Geo X Portable System
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 25, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
oh kewl, will watch that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on May 25, 2013, 11:06:25 PM
oh kewl, will watch that.

I am really curious about this. I forgot about it, in fact....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Ji-L87 on May 26, 2013, 02:15:49 AM
Great episode, just watching Neo Geo sprites & graphics makes me happy. Even if the screen tears like mad and the sharpness is horribad. Nice camerawork and great bonus ending :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 26, 2013, 02:56:18 PM
LOL at the ending.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 26, 2013, 02:59:51 PM
Love the ending!  Another great episopde. 

I nearly pre-purchased one of those, but am glad I've waited.  Hopefully the sound and video issues will be worked out with a firmware update and I can pick one up in the future.  I realize that people have hacked it, but if I want a hacked device, I'd look at the JXD s7300. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 26, 2013, 03:27:36 PM
LOL at the ending.

LOL indeed!

Great ep. Only thing I didn't like in particular was Joe's kinda ignorant review of Last Resort :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 26, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
LOL at the ending.

LOL indeed!

Great ep. Only thing I didn't like in particular was Joe's kinda ignorant review of Last Resort :P

I have found Last Resort to be a fair shooter, but very hard to get into. Credit feeding has been the only way for me to make any progress and there isn't any fun in that. Granted, the only version I have access to is on SNK Classics for the PS2, though I doubt it would make any difference if I had an actual copy. Plus Last Resort doesn't hold my interest like other shooties, e.g. Galactic Attack and Spriggan. The game's presentation is very nice though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 26, 2013, 04:20:28 PM
I love the internet. If I don't think of a game the exact same way someone else does, I'm the one who is ignorant.   ](*,)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 26, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
LOL, mind the :P smiley. It's not serious to take stuff. It's just I so <3 that game, so I had to rant a lil bit..hehe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on May 26, 2013, 06:29:03 PM
The thing with Last Resort is that it's a 100% offensive based game.  The Unit is not meant to be used as a shield, you should be firing it non-stop.  A few hints, the orange unit sticks to walls, and is extremely useful.  Also be aware the charge gauge does not determine power, just how far the unit will fly.  This is a game all about getting up really close and smashing it all with the unit.   The 2nd loop has some cool surprises too. :)  Honestly I find this game way easier then R-Type, but you can't be a chicken, you have to run in and destroy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 26, 2013, 08:59:45 PM
Hmmm... a rapid fire button might help. Did they ever make a Neo Geo Advantage? They should have.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 26, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
No, with a rapid button the drone/globe/shield is becoming useless.
You must charge and blast all the time. And between that you can let off some rockets and lazers.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 26, 2013, 10:59:11 PM
Game Sack The Neo Geo X Portable System
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbR_Rbg3fdc

I forgot to add,i also found the end of the video to be very funny as well.Beside what superdeadite mention about last resort is how you play it to enjoy it.Then again last resort is very similar to r-type which is why i enjoy it highly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on May 27, 2013, 04:56:34 AM
Also be aware the charge gauge does not determine power, just how far the unit will fly. 

I've had this game on CD for years and had no idea about that. Thanks!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 27, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Then again last resort is very similar to r-type which is why i enjoy it highly.

Nah. There's definitely something missing that R-Type has. The drone thingy in R-Type is much more cool for one. The enemies are much more interesting. The music is better (at least on the Turbo, not in the arcade). R-Type doesn't have those ear-piercingly annoying PSG sound effects that so many Neo Geo games do. And it doesn't try to blatantly rip off its artwork which gives Last Restort sort of a cheap Chinese knock-off type of feel. There's "Inspired by" and then there's "Inspired a little too much by".

The game would probably be much easier without the control lag, also.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 27, 2013, 03:58:07 PM
Then again last resort is very similar to r-type which is why i enjoy it highly.

Nah. There's definitely something missing that R-Type has. The drone thingy in R-Type is much more cool for one. The enemies are much more interesting. The music is better (at least on the Turbo, not in the arcade). R-Type doesn't have those ear-piercingly annoying PSG sound effects that so many Neo Geo games do. And it doesn't try to blatantly rip off its artwork which gives Last Restort sort of a cheap Chinese knock-off type of feel. There's "Inspired by" and then there's "Inspired a little too much by".

The game would probably be much easier without the control lag, also.

You just did not realize of how to use the drone in a fun way. The R-Type's drone may look cooler, but the Last Resort's drone can be used much more efficient and really adds a lot of value to the game.

The music is fantastic in LR, the PSG sound effex are debatable.

Also LR isn't really a blatant R-Type rip off since it is made by the very same IREM peeps that made R-Type.

An just as a side note, I also do love R-Type more than Last Resort, and that will never change. But this doesn't change the fact that LR is a fantastic game of its own kind.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 27, 2013, 04:23:46 PM
Then again last resort is very similar to r-type which is why i enjoy it highly.

Nah. There's definitely something missing that R-Type has. The drone thingy in R-Type is much more cool for one. The enemies are much more interesting. The music is better (at least on the Turbo, not in the arcade). R-Type doesn't have those ear-piercingly annoying PSG sound effects that so many Neo Geo games do. And it doesn't try to blatantly rip off its artwork which gives Last Restort sort of a cheap Chinese knock-off type of feel. There's "Inspired by" and then there's "Inspired a little too much by".

The game would probably be much easier without the control lag, also.

You just did not realize of how to use the drone in a fun way. The R-Type's drone may look cooler, but the Last Resort's drone can be used much more efficient and really adds a lot of value to the game.

The music is fantastic in LR, the PSG sound effex are debatable.

Also LR isn't really a blatant R-Type rip off since it is made by the very same IREM peeps that made R-Type.

An just as a side note, I also do love R-Type more than Last Resort, and that will never change. But this doesn't change the fact that LR is a fantastic game of its own kind.


As for ripping off other material I think Joe was mainly referring to LR's use of images from Akira. :)
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Post by: Tatsujin on May 27, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
Then again last resort is very similar to r-type which is why i enjoy it highly.

Nah. There's definitely something missing that R-Type has. The drone thingy in R-Type is much more cool for one. The enemies are much more interesting. The music is better (at least on the Turbo, not in the arcade). R-Type doesn't have those ear-piercingly annoying PSG sound effects that so many Neo Geo games do. And it doesn't try to blatantly rip off its artwork which gives Last Restort sort of a cheap Chinese knock-off type of feel. There's "Inspired by" and then there's "Inspired a little too much by".

The game would probably be much easier without the control lag, also.

You just did not realize of how to use the drone in a fun way. The R-Type's drone may look cooler, but the Last Resort's drone can be used much more efficient and really adds a lot of value to the game.

The music is fantastic in LR, the PSG sound effex are debatable.

Also LR isn't really a blatant R-Type rip off since it is made by the very same IREM peeps that made R-Type.

An just as a side note, I also do love R-Type more than Last Resort, and that will never change. But this doesn't change the fact that LR is a fantastic game of its own kind.


As for ripping off other material I think Joe was mainly referring to LR's use of images from Akira. :)

Ah damn, that's right. Never bothered me tho, found it very cool back then and still find it so today. As we had an other deticated thread about this before, there are many many games using elements from movie, anime and music industry. I guess there's nothing more Japanesish than that :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 27, 2013, 07:06:27 PM
Then again last resort is very similar to r-type which is why i enjoy it highly.

Nah. There's definitely something missing that R-Type has. The drone thingy in R-Type is much more cool for one. The enemies are much more interesting. The music is better (at least on the Turbo, not in the arcade). R-Type doesn't have those ear-piercingly annoying PSG sound effects that so many Neo Geo games do. And it doesn't try to blatantly rip off its artwork which gives Last Restort sort of a cheap Chinese knock-off type of feel. There's "Inspired by" and then there's "Inspired a little too much by".

The game would probably be much easier without the control lag, also.
The drone in r-type is more for positioning then any thing else.While the drone in last resort can be used more as a weapon.The other being how much memorization is required for the game later stages.The most i would nick picked towards last resort is the slow down in some stages.Not to mention,having to finish the game on it's second loop for the ending.While it's not better then r-type i do like how last resort has some of the same mechanics.For that matter for a early shoot'em up on the console id rather play LR instead of ghost pilots......
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on May 28, 2013, 01:14:54 AM
Last Resort rules.  The final stage where you attack the massive ship and even go inside it to cause chaos.
R-Type 1 is better, but LR is still a fantastic game, best shooter on the Neo in playability imo.

Here's my old first loop 1cc vid on my AES.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 28, 2013, 01:24:58 AM
WORD!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 28, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
I had no idea the Neo-Geo X composite video was that bad!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 28, 2013, 08:30:55 AM
Quote from: tats

The music is fantastic in LR, the PSG sound effex are debatable.


How are the PSG sound effex [SIC] debatable? Are there actually people that like the overloud PSG sound effects used in many Neo Geo games? "My ears are in pain due to high frequency noises that are excessively louder than all other sounds made by the game! Yay the Neo Geo is awesome!!! PSG sound effects suck on other systems but they are TEH RUL3Z on TEH NEO!" Somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on May 28, 2013, 08:42:28 AM
I had no idea the Neo-Geo X composite video was that bad!



It looked better in Joe's video than on my TV, and I have a pretty good TV. The only thing I've found that works well is a Commodore 64 monitor with the colors turned down a bit, it looks pretty good that way.

I actually play mine on a SD CRT using a HDMI to S-Video converter. Looks decent, not as good as a real Neo by a long shot, but about the same as running a Neo emulator on a OG Xbox.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on May 28, 2013, 09:08:43 AM
I had no idea the Neo-Geo X composite video was that bad!
about the same as running a Neo emulator on a OG Xbox.

No way the neo geo x looks that good. You just got me thinking. Time to fire up good ol le mameox.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on May 28, 2013, 09:12:51 AM
I guess nothing beats those consolised MVS. I whish they made them in aluminum or something more modern.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on May 28, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
No way the neo geo x looks that good. You just got me thinking. Time to fire up good ol le mameox.

The Xbox's emulators don't look that great compared to original hardware either. It does have the option to set filters though, which the NGX sorely lacks. Also, don't forget the whole "I'm using an expensive video converter" part of my comment.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on May 28, 2013, 10:07:57 AM
No way the neo geo x looks that good. You just got me thinking. Time to fire up good ol le mameox.

The Xbox's emulators don't look that great compared to original hardware either. It does have the option to set filters though, which the NGX sorely lacks.

Agreed, that's why I say the neo x doesn't even compare to the emus.

Also, don't forget the whole "I'm using an expensive video converter" part of my comment.

Also agreed. The composite is so bad you had to go trough all that trouble to hook it up.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 28, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
I guess nothing beats those consolised MVS.

Well as far as video quality goes, a modified AES beats a consolized MVS. The reason is the refresh rate which I'm sure I've mentioned before. Very tough to record MVS video for me. Also, aren't they mono by default? I find this odd as I remember the arcade cabs being in stereo. But the consolized MVS w/ Supergun I used for one episode was mono.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on May 28, 2013, 01:51:17 PM
Hopefully the release of the neo geo classic volumes fixes these issues.

http://www.amazon.com/NEOGEO-Classics-Vol-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B00BQR56GO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1369788632&sr=8-2&keywords=neo+geo+x
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on May 28, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Joe: The raw RGB video of the home and MVS systems are the same, it's what happens when the RGB is converted to something else that affects the video quality. Most will tell you MVS video is superior, which isn't strictly true, it's just that the aftermarket video encoders are generally higher quality than a home system. In your case, the MVS you borrowed probably had an inferior video encoder.

As far as stereo, most MVS boards were stereo. However, Jamma standard is mono, so the one you borrowed was either A: Hooked to a mono only supergun, B: A mono one slot board or C: Lazy consolizer didn't hook up both L and R channels.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on May 28, 2013, 02:24:41 PM
I guess nothing beats those consolised MVS.

Well as far as video quality goes, a modified AES beats a consolized MVS. The reason is the refresh rate which I'm sure I've mentioned before. Very tough to record MVS video for me. Also, aren't they mono by default? I find this odd as I remember the arcade cabs being in stereo. But the consolized MVS w/ Supergun I used for one episode was mono.

If I remember correctly on my old MVS 1-Slot you can go beyond the JAMMA connector to get stereo - I think it's a plug on the side of the board or wired off the headphone jack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 28, 2013, 03:02:19 PM
Joe: The raw RGB video of the home and MVS systems are the same, it's what happens when the RGB is converted to something else that affects the video quality. Most will tell you MVS video is superior, which isn't strictly true, it's just that the aftermarket video encoders are generally higher quality than a home system. In your case, the MVS you borrowed probably had an inferior video encoder.

How could it change the actual rate the video is running at? The MVS runs a bit slower, this is actually pretty well known and this is my problem. So I can't record MVS video with any reliability (picture breaks up a bit every few seconds). Looks fine when I play it on a TV, just not when I record it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 08, 2013, 09:13:39 PM
Game Sack-The Rare and Valuable
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 08, 2013, 11:21:32 PM
So watched :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 09, 2013, 04:10:38 AM
Cool Turbo shirt Joe
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 09, 2013, 05:21:46 AM
cool ep. just missed teh rare games :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 09, 2013, 06:17:57 AM
Game Sack-The Rare and Valuable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKArCWLkLRE

Nice ep, but maybe next time you can do a whole episode on each specific system for rare games? Just an idea. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 09, 2013, 07:01:58 AM
STATUS: My daughter and I enjoyed the newest episode. She laughed the most during the 32X Spider-Man game (which looked kool, IMHO, but I know it's a stinker).

 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png) (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcds.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 09, 2013, 08:26:47 AM
I know what I am watching tonight! Do you? 8)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on June 09, 2013, 08:44:34 AM
Spider Man, Spider Man, takes a dump in a coffee can.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 09, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
A friend of mine picked up Einhander for $20 mint at VGS last year. I still have nightmares about missing out on that deal.  :P

I still might pick up the Jap release of Magical Chase one day if I can get a good deal on it. I really enjoy its tunes and bright colors.

Little Samson is one I'd like to come across one day. Those boss sprites are probably the scariest 8-Bit graphics I have ever seen! :shock:

...enjoy your golf game, Joe.



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 09, 2013, 02:27:31 PM
Is Einhänder any rare? If yes, which version?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 09, 2013, 02:35:44 PM
Is Einhänder any rare? If yes, which version?


I wouldn't call it super-rare. The US version is more rare than the Japanese release I believe. I saw a US copy in a game store last year for about $35 complete.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 09, 2013, 02:40:15 PM
Ok, so not even near to something that should be considered rare then :)

JPN copies can be had for 10 to 15 bucks easily and at any time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 09, 2013, 03:16:21 PM
Ok, so not even near to something that should be considered rare then :)

JPN copies can be had for 10 to 15 bucks easily and at any time.

I would get the US version just for the better box art. IIRC the Japanese art style on the cover was less appealing.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 09, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Ok, so not even near to something that should be considered rare then :)

JPN copies can be had for 10 to 15 bucks easily and at any time.


I would get the US version just for the better box art. IIRC the Japanese art style on the cover was less appealing.


Oh, I quite digged the JPN artwork ;)

(http://yaplog.jp/meka/img/180/DSC00350.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 09, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Ok, so not even near to something that should be considered rare then :)

JPN copies can be had for 10 to 15 bucks easily and at any time.


I would get the US version just for the better box art. IIRC the Japanese art style on the cover was less appealing.


Oh, I quite digged the JPN artwork ;)

(http://yaplog.jp/meka/img/180/DSC00350.jpg)


Oh that's pretty cool actually. I still prefer the US art for some reason, though I'll admit I had a different mental picture associated with the Japanese release. Maybe I was thinking of the inner liner or the back of the manual.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 09, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
Ok, so not even near to something that should be considered rare then :)

JPN copies can be had for 10 to 15 bucks easily and at any time.


I would get the US version just for the better box art. IIRC the Japanese art style on the cover was less appealing.


Oh, I quite digged the JPN artwork ;)

(http://yaplog.jp/meka/img/180/DSC00350.jpg)


though I'll admit I had a different mental picture associated with the Japanese release. Maybe I was thinking of the inner liner or the back of the manual.


Nono, you sure were thinking of this cover here:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu4479bla01qj9hlao1_500.jpg)

The one from above is actually from the taikenban version :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 09, 2013, 03:36:49 PM
LOL...taikenban?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 09, 2013, 03:57:14 PM
They need one with a middle finger. I don't think Einhander is rare, it's just holding its value at least here in the US. There are lots of games that are rare yet cheap (Frank Thomas' Big Squirt Baseball on the Saturn) and not rare but cost more than you'd expect. Rare doesn't always mean valuable and vice versa.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: allyourblood on June 09, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
I still might pick up the Jap release of Magical Chase one day if I can get a good deal on it. I really enjoy its tunes and bright colors.

I've been thinking the same. I know I'll never own the US version, and I really want to play it. I don't care for emulation much, but the going rate on the Japanese version is still way too high for me to buy it. I rage at its "rarity" (quotes on purpose), since I just wanna play the silly thing. Why couldn't stupid Gunboat be the crazy-rare release? Why something I actually want to try?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on June 09, 2013, 04:37:39 PM
I bet people would be all over those "fully 3D polygonal simulation games" if Gunboat and Falcon sold by thousands on ebay. Haha

Or maybe it would be expensive by now if it were "OMG FALCON 3.0 FALCON 3.0 HOLY CRAP THE PC HIT" like the magazines were advertising... it was so bad they didn't have the balls to put the version number on the final TG release so people didn't went comparing one with the other haha. If only had been like this, maybe an Arcade CDRom?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on June 10, 2013, 07:14:27 AM
Ducktales 2 but no Flintstones 2?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on June 10, 2013, 08:11:57 AM
I bet people would be all over those "fully 3D polygonal simulation games" if Gunboat and Falcon sold by thousands on ebay. Haha

Or maybe it would be expensive by now if it were "OMG FALCON 3.0 FALCON 3.0 HOLY CRAP THE PC HIT" like the magazines were advertising... it was so bad they didn't have the balls to put the version number on the final TG release so people didn't went comparing one with the other haha. If only had been like this, maybe an Arcade CDRom? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_8fLUj9eU


Other than having a checkerboard ground, I don't see how that's any better than the Turbob version;  it's got the same herky-jerky motion in a flat, featureless world.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 10, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
Ducktales 2 but no Flintstones 2?

I think Duck Tales 2 is a better game than Flintstones: Surprise at Dinosaur Peak is.

With that said, Flintstones: Surprise at Dinosaur Peak is an excellent 8-bit platformer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 11, 2013, 08:21:05 AM
Ducktales 2 but no Flintstones 2?

???? Were we required to include every rare game into a single episode? PLEASE LET US KNOW NEXT TIME!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on June 11, 2013, 09:29:02 AM
Ducktales 2 but no Flintstones 2?

???? Were we required to include every rare game into a single episode? PLEASE LET US KNOW NEXT TIME!

just seemed like a "logical" choice
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 14, 2013, 02:31:04 PM
Ducktales 2 but no Flintstones 2?

???? Were we required to include every rare game into a single episode? PLEASE LET US KNOW NEXT TIME!
No but Dungeon Explorer II and Beyond Shadowgate would be cool. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 14, 2013, 03:20:34 PM
Ducktales 2 but no Flintstones 2?

???? Were we required to include every rare game into a single episode? PLEASE LET US KNOW NEXT TIME!
No but Dungeon Explorer II and Beyond Shadowgate would be cool. Just a thought.


I am sure Joe will be doing another ep. featuring rare games. If you don't have Beyond Shadowgate, Joe, I may be able to loan you mine if you wish. If not no worries. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 15, 2013, 05:36:45 AM
I have Beyond Shadowgate. Just finished playing it. That one's rare?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 15, 2013, 06:21:19 AM
At least rarer than 50% from the last GS show :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 15, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
Damn Tats, you're hard to please. Sorry our show wasn't rare enough for you. Send us some rare games and we'll feature them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 15, 2013, 02:18:37 PM
I have Beyond Shadowgate. Just finished playing it. That one's rare?

Yeah I rarely see that one pop up on ebay and when I do, its crazy expensive. Well a couple of hundred dollars usually... There is a list of them here that has been probably posted at some point: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/turbografx-16/the-rarest-most-valuable-pc-engine-turbografx-16-games
Another thought, a good episode would be games that were obviously ripping off/cloning from another game. A good example would be the whole Fighter's History debacle and how it was supposedly ripping off Street Fighter 2. I could go on to include Dungeon Explorer vs Gauntlet and Neutopia vs The Legend of Zelda but I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak here as I'm sure people think Neutopia/Dungeon Explorer are superior games. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 15, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 15, 2013, 02:54:35 PM
Is the CDi episode coming any time soon?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 15, 2013, 03:12:19 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.
I likes them both. :) I also think a Wolfenstein 3D vs Doom is in order too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: allyourblood on June 15, 2013, 03:19:32 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 15, 2013, 03:25:05 PM
Damn Tats, you're hard to please. Sorry our show wasn't rare enough for you. Send us some rare games and we'll feature them.

Lol, just saying. And it was a very entertaining episode :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 15, 2013, 03:32:34 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 15, 2013, 03:42:18 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.
I'm not sure if its worth $90, but I do recall renting it in the olden days... I didn't really find it very enjoyable in those days but that's probably due the fact I was busy playing of Secret of Evermore to give it a second chance.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: allyourblood on June 15, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.

When I started high school, I had given up on games for a couple years (girls, guitar, etc), and passed my 16-bit systems down to my little brother. By this time Genesis games were starting to appear at yard sales, swap meets, and thrift stores pretty regularly. My parents bought him a box of games that included Crusader of Centy. I saw him playing it and got hooked right away.

After I moved out, I was lucky and bought mine for cheaps, locally if I recall, but yeah, this one fetches a pretty high price online. I love the game and considering how short of a run it likely had, I'm not surprised that it's priced more than other games. But it's disappointing to see it going for such a high price since I always hear from folks who say they've never played it.

I don't care much for emulation either and that's why I haven't played any of my recent TGCD purchases or some of the more expensive TG games (MC, Tonma, Bonk 3) so I feel your pain. I imagine you'll enjoy it when you eventually get the chance.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on June 15, 2013, 04:51:29 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.

Game is a complete knock off in a lot of ways but it's definitely not to be missed out on. Great game - my buddy got it in the bargain bin back in like '96 for $5 sealed. Borrowed it from him and had to mail it back to him years later, haha.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 15, 2013, 07:27:24 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.
Crusader of Centy is a obscure one but a solid action rpg for the genesis.It was a late release by atlus so id assume it didn't have a large run.If you want don't want to emulate it,it can be played off a flashcart.Not to mention the japanese version often go's for $20.00 complete under the name shinsouseseiki ragacenty.When it came out originally i remember it being compared more towards zelda lttp then neutopia.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on June 15, 2013, 07:30:52 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I almost beg to differ.  I love A link to the Past. It's one of my favorite games on the snes.  However, my 5 yr old son and I have been playing through it for the past few days and when I popped in Neutopia as a little break, he LOVED it.  It nearly brought a tear to by eye.  We've been playing that ever since.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 16, 2013, 01:32:25 AM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.
Crusader of Centy is a obscure one but a solid action rpg for the genesis.It was a late release by atlus so id assume it didn't have a large run.If you want don't want to emulate it,it can be played off a flashcart.Not to mention the japanese version often go's for $20.00 complete under the name shinsouseseiki ragacenty.When it came out originally i remember it being compared more towards zelda lttp then neutopia.

I'll probably hold out for a NA copy. Patience seems to always work out for me.

Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I almost beg to differ.  I love A link to the Past. It's one of my favorite games on the snes.  However, my 5 yr old son and I have been playing through it for the past few days and when I popped in Neutopia as a little break, he LOVED it.  It nearly brought a tear to by eye.  We've been playing that ever since.

This warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 16, 2013, 02:43:16 AM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I almost beg to differ.  I love A link to the Past. It's one of my favorite games on the snes.  However, my 5 yr old son and I have been playing through it for the past few days and when I popped in Neutopia as a little break, he LOVED it.  It nearly brought a tear to by eye.  We've been playing that ever since.

This warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?
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Let him beat Neutopia first! Then say, "...and here's the "original" Neutopia: it's called..."

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 16, 2013, 07:30:56 AM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I almost beg to differ.  I love A link to the Past. It's one of my favorite games on the snes.  However, my 5 yr old son and I have been playing through it for the past few days and when I popped in Neutopia as a little break, he LOVED it.  It nearly brought a tear to by eye.  We've been playing that ever since.

This warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?

Let him beat Neutopia first! Then say, "...and here's the "original" Neutopia: it's called..."


[/quote]

Ingenious! Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 16, 2013, 06:16:44 PM
Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.

Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.
Crusader of Centy is a obscure one but a solid action rpg for the genesis.It was a late release by atlus so id assume it didn't have a large run.If you want don't want to emulate it,it can be played off a flashcart.Not to mention the japanese version often go's for $20.00 complete under the name shinsouseseiki ragacenty.When it came out originally i remember it being compared more towards zelda lttp then neutopia.

I'll probably hold out for a NA copy. Patience seems to always work out for me.

Dungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.
Good luck on that then,often a loose of crusader of centy go's for $90.00.Even more if the game is complete with box and manual.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on June 17, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first.
If we are going with Zelda "like" games, I'll throw in Beyond Oasis by Ancient on the Genny. Of course being a late release and having the Koshiro clan working on it lends to it be so solid.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 17, 2013, 08:14:36 AM
Didn't Crusader o' Centy come with a small strategy guide of sorts? Because my copy has one. It seems to have been published by Assless I mean Atlus.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on June 18, 2013, 06:47:16 AM
This warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?

Sadly, I don't currently own it.  But if I ever find it on the cheap out in the wild, I'll pick it up and I'm sure we'll love it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 18, 2013, 06:06:30 PM
Didn't Crusader o' Centy come with a small strategy guide of sorts? Because my copy has one. It seems to have been published by Assless I mean Atlus.
I don't know when i had the game before i don't remember it having one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 21, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
So what's next on Gamesack? Clones I hope?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 21, 2013, 08:29:39 PM
Clones? No I don't have any of those.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 21, 2013, 10:07:52 PM
One soon will be le peke special, as i have heard :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 22, 2013, 05:03:01 AM
Clones? No I don't have any of those.
Really? According to my wife you look a lot like this guy (or this guy looks a lot like you) :P
(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash4/c113.33.414.414/s320x320/315755_2026200905939_2134707525_n.jpg)
Long lost relative perhaps?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 22, 2013, 05:21:26 AM
I think Joe looks slightly better than that guy :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 22, 2013, 05:33:29 AM
I think Joe looks slightly better than that guy :)
Thats what I told my wife. Anyway, can't wait until the next episode of game sack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 22, 2013, 07:32:01 AM
That guy may want to be me, but he's probably too smart. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 22, 2013, 09:02:30 AM
You should have him stand-in for an episode and see if anyone notices.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 22, 2013, 03:40:25 PM
Hahaha!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 22, 2013, 06:55:16 PM
You should have him stand-in for an episode and see if anyone notices.


Great idea! If only Joe could do this.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 22, 2013, 06:56:52 PM
No way would I ever do that. The audience would probably prefer him!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 22, 2013, 08:00:42 PM
GaMe SacK-mOre oVerlooked gEms
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 22, 2013, 11:32:12 PM
watcheen that nao :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 23, 2013, 12:26:22 AM
The problem with Elemental Master, is that Undeadline just destroys it in all aspects.  EM is a decent game, but man Undeadline just does it so much better.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 23, 2013, 12:37:13 AM
the white socks duo :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 23, 2013, 07:15:01 AM
Cool episode, glad we finally saw some Beyond Shadowgate loving!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on June 23, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
SO glad you mentioned Shinobi Legions.  I have the Japanese version & I love it, cheesy cutscenes and all!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 24, 2013, 07:46:58 AM
The problem with Elemental Master, is that Undeadline just destroys it in all aspects.

Not in the music aspect! From what I've played of Undeadline it was initially too hard for me to care about continuing to play it. Elemental Master eases you into the difficulty like a properly designed game should. Games that are hard right off the bat are really only championed by people who consider themselves elite and I don't like those people. That said, I have not really put a lot of time into Undeadline so take my comments with a grain of salt. I do remember liking the cemetery stage.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on June 24, 2013, 08:09:48 AM
Super is probably comparing x68k version anyways, which is totally unfair. :D  Both are good games on the MD, but I also prefer Elemental Master over Undeadline.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 24, 2013, 03:46:21 PM
Actually I'm comparing the MD versions.   The MD Undeadline was done by PAL Soft and is a totally different game from the MSX and X68000 versions.  The computer versions are both awesome in a masochistic kind of way, but have parts that require pure luck to survive.  PAL Soft's changes for the MD version make it a much better game to actually play.  They completely removed all the random crap, and the focus is on pure skill.  It's a tough game for sure, but never cheap.  It's a lot like R-Type imo, when you die, it's your fault.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 24, 2013, 03:48:44 PM
Why have I been ignoring Granada for so long? I was picking my jaw up off the keyboard when I saw those sprite rotational effects. Nice!

I have been hoping to come across Elemental Master for ages. Not once have I scored. I'll keep looking.

Dave really sold me on that Kirby game. I am not the hugest fan of Arkanoid clones but sometimes I like to fire one up. Like Metal Orange Kirby looks to be lots of fun!

I picked up Shinobi at MGC this year. I played through a couple stages, then put it down. Yuzo Koshiro really adds so much to the "Shinobi Experience", but I'll try to put my feelings aside and give it another chance. I might track down that European version just to have a different OST to enjoy.

Thanks for all your hard work, Joe and Dave!

Edited for disconnected thoughts that filtered onto the screen.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 24, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Why have I been ignoring Granada for so long? I was picking my jaw up off the keyboard when I saw those sprite rotational effects. Nice!

I have been hoping to come across Elemental Master for ages. Not once have I scored. I'll keep looking.

Dave really sold me on that Kirby game. I am not the hugest fan of Arkanoid clones but sometimes I like to fire one up. Aside from Metal Orange Kirby looks to be lots of fun!

I picked up Shinobi at MGC this year. I played through a couple stages, then put it down. Yuzo Koshiro really adds so much to the "Shinobi Experience", but I'll try to put my feelings aside and give it another chance. I might track down that European version just to have a different OST to enjoy.

Thanks for all your hard work, Joe and Dave!

Don't you own an X68000 now?  Play Granada on that.  It has way better colors then the MD port.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on June 24, 2013, 04:07:28 PM
Why have I been ignoring Granada for so long? I was picking my jaw up off the keyboard when I saw those sprite rotational effects. Nice!

I have been hoping to come across Elemental Master for ages. Not once have I scored. I'll keep looking.

Dave really sold me on that Kirby game. I am not the hugest fan of Arkanoid clones but sometimes I like to fire one up. Aside from Metal Orange Kirby looks to be lots of fun!

I picked up Shinobi at MGC this year. I played through a couple stages, then put it down. Yuzo Koshiro really adds so much to the "Shinobi Experience", but I'll try to put my feelings aside and give it another chance. I might track down that European version just to have a different OST to enjoy.

Thanks for all your hard work, Joe and Dave!

Don't you own an X68000 now?  Play Granada on that.  It has way better colors then the MD port.

My collection hasn't grown since MGC. I am set to maybe get hooked up with CF in a few weeks so maybe I can get Beamer to include that game. And if I do I will get the MD version anyway just for comparison's sake. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 06, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Game SacK-The Ys Series
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on July 07, 2013, 05:11:03 AM
Game SacK-The Ys Series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvGtPWNRsA


Another awesome ep. really loved the cameo from Johnny 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 07, 2013, 07:08:28 AM
Cool episode. Looks like Ys finally got the love it deserves. :) Just a thought, maybe do one on point and click adventure games like Discworld and Blazing Dragons? I know both of them were released on the PS1 and Sega Saturn and from what I can see on the net there hasn't been a review comparing the different ports of said games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 07, 2013, 01:17:38 PM
Did you join the X68000 club, Joe? If so welcome, my friend. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 07, 2013, 01:37:43 PM
Did you join the X68000 club, Joe? If so welcome, my friend. :)

Lol, you don't know math? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 07, 2013, 02:08:32 PM
Did you join the X68000 club, Joe? If so welcome, my friend. :)

Lol, you don't know math? :)

I did not.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on July 07, 2013, 02:33:52 PM
Its on loan, but who knows he might like it so much he wont give it back ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 07, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
Its on loan, but who knows he might like it so much he wont give it back ;)

He probably won't want to pay to have it shipped back. Those beasts are heavy! I am sure shipping charges are enormous.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 07, 2013, 06:44:05 PM
Well I am using my mind powers to make BlueBMW move out here some day so that I won't have to ship it back. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on July 08, 2013, 01:04:58 AM
If I can swing it, Im aiming for next summer now!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 08, 2013, 01:50:57 AM
ich luegs etz grad :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 08, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
ich luegs etz grad :)

Tats, please speak 'merican. My ignorance doesn't let me understand anything else.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on July 08, 2013, 09:07:40 AM
ich luegs etz grad :)

Tats, please speak 'merican. My ignorance doesn't let me understand anything else.


Something is swissel about loving some sort of degree . . . hehehe
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 13, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
Game Sack The Neo Geo X firmware update review
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 20, 2013, 07:15:07 PM
New Gamesack episode on the Master System. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 20, 2013, 09:27:30 PM
Cool show, but you really have to lissen to the FM of galaxy Force II. It's lightyears better than the MD version. If nothing else comes near to the arcade, then at least its music does.

Sure has some of the best tunes on any SMS games ever.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on July 20, 2013, 09:46:08 PM
Great episode!  The Master System really should have been the NES-killer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 21, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
Oh man, Joe, my heart was racing when I started watching this episode! There are so many thoughts running through my mind as each game is featured, but I can't spend the time commenting on each feeling. I will say that the PSG version of Space Harrier trumps the FM in that one rare case. Also, I can totally *TOTALLY* relate being obsessive with parallax. I see it everywhere! Especially when I am driving. I guess it isn't too safe looking out my driver window at the scrolling horizon is it?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on July 21, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
Awesome episode! I have a strong affinity for the SMS- it was my first console as well. The FM really makes it shine in comparison to the NES, too bad they didn't include it over here. It makes the games seem a lot less glitchy, because it doesn't cut out as much as the PSG (or do I imagine that?).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 21, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
Well maybe it's just me, but I think a few games that have FM music also use PSG for some sound effects. I don't think many do this but I'm pretty sure a few do. I wish more did. The FM kind of sucks for sound effects (just listen to the sound effects in Golvellius or Lord of the Sword). Maybe it would have been too difficult or memory intensive to say "use PSG sound effects and let FM do all music"? Or maybe the programmers didn't think to do this? I don't know.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on July 21, 2013, 11:31:43 PM
Wonderboy 3 is one that uses fm for music and psg for the sound effects.
Two games that felt a lot nicer to play with fm were Altered Beast & Vigilante. It's hard to describe, but those were a lot more fun with fm. Altered Beast because it makes the game feel less janky. Vigilante was just more fun with fm- I had never wanted to win it before I played it that way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 22, 2013, 07:46:19 AM
I dunno, the bass goes away when I get hit in Wonder Boy 3 I think. At least it does during the boss tune.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 22, 2013, 07:51:55 AM
This episode made me really want a Master System...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on July 22, 2013, 08:38:15 AM
One day someone is going to acknowledge how timeless Shooting Gallery is for the SMS. I'm serious.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 24, 2013, 03:51:02 PM
Hey Joe, just curious on why you guys haven't done a episode on the Atari 7800 and the Colecovision? Hell those would be a great follow up to the Sega Master system episode you guys just did...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 25, 2013, 07:53:14 AM
Because we don't currently have those.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 25, 2013, 09:53:14 AM
STATUS : my daughter and I started watching GameSack, from the beginning with episode #1.

We are having a blast. This is our second or third day in, and, except for the 1-2 episodes on controllers, she is loving them (I enjoy the discussion on controllers, of course, but I wouldn't torture her).

 I didn't realize how much the production values have improved!

Anyway, thus far, I think my most favorite "minor gag" that you guys have done (outside the realm of "major gags" like the FMV episode) is CRAIG STADLER.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Anyway, I'm a broken record in this thread. Good evening, comrades.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on July 27, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
One day someone is going to acknowledge how timeless Shooting Gallery is for the SMS. I'm serious.

YES!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on July 28, 2013, 01:43:08 AM
One day someone is going to acknowledge how timeless Shooting Gallery is for the SMS. I'm serious.

YES!

I received Shooting Gallery with my SMS on Christmas back in the 80s. I loved it but could never do well at the game unless I sat right up at the TV while playing. I found a copy of the game two weeks ago and snatched it up immediately. The music brought back so many memories.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on July 28, 2013, 04:56:25 PM
One day someone is going to acknowledge how timeless Shooting Gallery is for the SMS. I'm serious.

YES!

I received Shooting Gallery with my SMS on Christmas back in the 80s. I loved it but could never do well at the game unless I sat right up at the TV while playing. I found a copy of the game two weeks ago and snatched it up immediately. The music brought back so many memories.

I got Shooting Gallery along with the Hang-On/Safari-Hunt pack-in when I got my system in '87 for X-Mas. I wound up playing shooting gallery more than any other game I got until Outrun...few things spark the nostalgia tears in me quite like the music from Shooting Gallery. That damn marble/pipes stage used to drive me nuts. Came close to beating the game a few times, but admittedly I had to stand about 4 inches from the screen.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 28, 2013, 05:33:25 PM
Shooting Gallery is one tough cookie. We covered it in our Light Phaser vs Zapper episode. It's an interesting game but it's also one that you've gotta really practice at over and over. I can't remember if the game gives you limited ammo, but if not, I suggest investing in a Sega Rapid Fire Unit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 03, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
Game Sack Videogame Magazines

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
For the end all those menus to go through,reminds me of the nintendo hint line.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 04, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Damn! That episode really kicked me in my memory glands.

I actually got to meet and hang with Sushi-X and Trickman Terry of EGM fame at the last two MGCs. I got a pic of with them somewhere. I'll have to dig it out. It was a great time as we got to talk about old-style EGM. They gave a great anecdote about the Sheng Long April Fools' Joke. To be honest I can't remember about what they said exactly. It was a year and a half ago and all I can remember is thinking, "I am talking to Sushi and Terry, in person, and they are spilling the beans on famous events that helped shape my childhood." I am sure I fainted somewhere in there too.

Also. Joe, I have to disagree with your comment on EGM not sending games to kids who sent tricks and codes to EGM. I sent a code for Need for Speed on the 3DO back in 94 or 95. It got published and they actually sent me a game! It was Incredible Machine for the 3DO and, to my regret, kinda sucked. I am pretty sure I traded it in somewhere shortly thereafter. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 04, 2013, 05:13:47 PM
They didn't send me, Chris Bucci and some other people anything. Like I said in the comments section, the policy may have changed when Dan Hsu came aboard. At the VERY BEST they were extremely inconsistent about sending them out, even when people wrote back and reminded them.

Also, Sushi X was not just one individual. Several people wrote under that pseudonym. I think the person who wrote as Sushi X the most is dead now. I remember reading that somewhere a few years back. No clue who Trickman Terry is. I wish people would just write under their own names. No fake pseudonyms, no cartoon drawings hiding their identity. Seems cowardly to me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 05, 2013, 01:30:48 AM
They didn't send me, Chris Bucci and some other people anything. Like I said in the comments section, the policy may have changed when Dan Hsu came aboard. At the VERY BEST they were extremely inconsistent about sending them out, even when people wrote back and reminded them.

Also, Sushi X was not just one individual. Several people wrote under that pseudonym. I think the person who wrote as Sushi X the most is dead now. I remember reading that somewhere a few years back. No clue who Trickman Terry is. I wish people would just write under their own names. No fake pseudonyms, no cartoon drawings hiding their identity. Seems cowardly to me.

Yeah I heard about what they did to Chris Bucci on his DVD. I wasn't saying they always kept their promises. I am just saying they kept their promise at least once. :)

Trickman Terry was the guy in charge of the Tips and Tricks section.

I was aware that Sushi-X was more than one person. The dude that attends our conventions was around EGM during the early to mid 90s I believe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on August 05, 2013, 02:50:17 AM
I was aware that Sushi-X was more than one person. The dude that attends our conventions was around EGM during the early to mid 90s I believe.

Mati: IIRC it was Ed Harris we were talking to - I've got that photo floating around somewhere.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 05, 2013, 08:12:08 AM
I was aware that Sushi-X was more than one person. The dude that attends our conventions was around EGM during the early to mid 90s I believe.

Mati: IIRC it was Ed Harris we were talking to - I've got that photo floating around somewhere.

You are mixing up Steve Harris and Ed Semrad into one Frankenstein-ian individual.  :P I am 100% sure that it was Sushi-X and Terry.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 05, 2013, 11:40:06 AM
I was aware that Sushi-X was more than one person. The dude that attends our conventions was around EGM during the early to mid 90s I believe.

Mati: IIRC it was Ed Harris we were talking to - I've got that photo floating around somewhere.

You are mixing up Steve Harris and Ed Semrad into one Frankenstein-ian individual.  :P I am 100% sure that it was Sushi-X and Terry.

Ed Harris! I didn't know he liked video games. That's kool.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 05, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
HAHAHA!! Same thought, same thought. Ed is one crazy cool mutherf*cker.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 05, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
My favorite movie of his. The Rock.

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z191/bizyboy00/EdHarrisTheRock.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/bizyboy00/media/EdHarrisTheRock.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on August 05, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
I was aware that Sushi-X was more than one person. The dude that attends our conventions was around EGM during the early to mid 90s I believe.

Mati: IIRC it was Ed Harris we were talking to - I've got that photo floating around somewhere.

You are mixing up Steve Harris and Ed Semrad into one Frankenstein-ian individual.  :P I am 100% sure that it was Sushi-X and Terry.

yep, you're exactly right haha.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 05, 2013, 02:40:51 PM
I was aware that Sushi-X was more than one person. The dude that attends our conventions was around EGM during the early to mid 90s I believe.

Mati: IIRC it was Ed Harris we were talking to - I've got that photo floating around somewhere.

You are mixing up Steve Harris and Ed Semrad into one Frankenstein-ian individual.  :P I am 100% sure that it was Sushi-X and Terry.

yep, you're exactly right haha.

Jeff, do you remember what they said regarding the Sheng Long April Fools' code for SF2 SNES?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 05, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
I thought for certain you guys would have put in Next Generation into that episode. Especially the issue where Mario is literally falling into glass pieces.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 05, 2013, 02:49:14 PM
I thought for certain you guys would have put in Next Generation into that episode. Especially the issue where Mario is literally falling into glass pieces.


VG&CE and Next Gen were two way underrated mags. RIP.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 05, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
Of all the magazines you showed I think the one I have the fondest memories of is the Official Dreamcast Magazine. I had the #0 issue I believe it was called and it convinced me to save up for a DC (I was young). It's kind of tragic that I finally saved up all my money for a DC just as SEGA announced they were stopping production.

I took a look at that magazine again a few years ago and it's really good at getting you into the mood of the Dreamcast. The one article I remember in particular was the one about Power Stone, the idea of being able to "use any objects on screen as a weapon" blew my mind. IIRC there were also many, many games that were shown and never released or even talked about much past that issue.

To be honest I read a lot of EGM from like the 32-bit to "128-bit" gen and didn't really like it. I felt like a lot of the writers were very biased. The most recent example I can think of is how they were going on about the PSP wiping the floor with the DS based on screen size and power alone.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 05, 2013, 04:18:39 PM
My favorite movie of his. The Rock.

Are you serious? He made a hell of a lot of very great movies.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 05, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
My favorite movie of his. The Rock.

Are you serious? He made a hell of a lot of very great movies.

Back in the 90s my friends and I would always seem to come back to this one movie. It holds a special place in my heart. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on August 06, 2013, 05:47:29 AM
I love the fact you referenced the VG&CE Turbo "red" issue:

(http://www.cnet.com/i/bto/20091214/3GS_9.10_003_270x359.jpg)

That mag was my first ever gaming mag I bought. You brought back some good memories...

I remember seeing a small blurb for Spriggian in some 90's mag and it mentioned that it will likely never come out stateside. So I call Game Express<?> and ordered it that week.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on August 06, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
Think I still have that issue of Game Players floating around here somewhere. That magazine made me really really really want an Amiga, mostly because of the comparison shots in the advertisements between PC, Commodore, Atari ST and Amiga.

Now thanks to the power of YouTube, I'm glad I didn't play 99% of the Amiga arcade translations because they look like absolute garbage in motion.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 17, 2013, 08:35:59 PM
oUr fAvoRite raCing GAme
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on August 18, 2013, 02:25:29 AM
I love when the guys "sack" racing games.  When I was little racing games were some of my favorites. 


DAY-ONNNNNA - still my favorite racing game.  I use to love the arcade machines. 
I need to pick up a Dreamcast and this game.

I picked up F zero at a garage sale when everyone had forgotten about the SNES.  Being 10 the best 3 bucks I spent all year.  I like that game more than most SNES games.

I also enjoy top gear on the SNES.  I know this one is rarely mentioned but I always enjoyed the soundtrack and the tracks and good controls.  Even if the graphics were average.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 18, 2013, 01:20:10 PM
I absolutely love the soundtrack to F-Zero. Something about its music takes me back to Friday nights after school and playing the game with a buddy. Pilotwings' soundtrack has the same effect.

I got to play a Daytona arcade machine 2-player style at MGC this year. My fiance and I had a blast.

Road Rash was a must buy for me on the 3DO back when it was released. I was/am a huge fan of the "Seattle Sound" and that soundtrack fits the style of the game perfectly, so I 100% agree with you there, Joe.

One series of games I would have added would be the Ridge Racer games for the PS1. The original Ridge Racer, though limited, was amazing back in '95. Rage Racer was the perfect update but got a little too challenging towards the end if you don't learn to drift well. I personally like to keep in control and have a tight handling car instead of drifting. RR Type 4 was a late purchase for me and I am finding myself enjoying it more than the other games in the series, even though the tracks aren't as interesting or imaginative. Rage Racer's tracks win in that category. All around great games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on August 18, 2013, 03:42:36 PM
Excellent episode!  Fzero is one of my top games for sure.

No mention of any of the Gran Turismo games?  I played the crap out of GT1 back in the day :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on August 18, 2013, 03:43:07 PM
I love when the guys "sack" racing games.  When I was little racing games were some of my favorites. 


DAY-ONNNNNA - still my favorite racing game.  I use to love the arcade machines. 
I need to pick up a Dreamcast and this game.

I picked up F zero at a garage sale when everyone had forgotten about the SNES.  Being 10 the best 3 bucks I spent all year.  I like that game more than most SNES games.

I also enjoy top gear on the SNES.  I know this one is rarely mentioned but I always enjoyed the soundtrack and the tracks and good controls.  Even if the graphics were average.

Top gear had a really good 2 player mode, didn't it? I think my brother and I used to play it a lot.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on August 18, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
Loving arcade racers but no ridge racer love here? :(

Other than that it was a kewl show :) could have hade some more Yu Suzuki inside fo'sho.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on August 19, 2013, 03:49:21 AM

Top gear had a really good 2 player mode, didn't it? I think my brother and I used to play it a lot.


Yes it did.  It wasn't anything super special as it was the same as the 1 player mode for the most part, but it worked really well.  Although the frame rates are slower than it could have been due to running two screens at the same time.  but it really doesn't hinder game play at all.  The only other complaint is the lack of sound test. (seriously listen to the music in this one, it is a bit of surprise)  The tracks are pretty good for a SNES game.    

It has a slight out run or rad racer feel to it.  It is a shame it is overlooked.  It's a fun, balanced, challenging racing game.  Tons of fun.



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 19, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Like I said in the comments section, a lot of people are assuming that if it didn't make it into the episode, it gets no love. We had to whittle it down to 11. Ridge Racer 1 on the PS1 is OK but I never really got into it. It wasn't as cool as Daytona. But Rage Racer is extremely awesome, maybe my favorite Ridge Racer game, though Type 4 is amazing as well. That one also came with a high resolution, high frame rate Ridge Racer 1. That was pretty cool, but it was still the same ol' 1 track Ridge Racer. As far as Gran Turismo it always seemed to me like I do more waiting than racing. I want to go fast right now!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 20, 2013, 12:01:34 AM
What? No love for Crash 'n Burn? Joe, you know better.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 20, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
I'm a monster!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on August 20, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
You mean you didnt love those early races in gran turismo where youre driving some turd like a cappucino or something with 70 horsepower that still couldnt make turns even at 20mph?  That was the best!! ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on August 20, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
What? No love for Crash 'n Burn? Joe, you know better.


I'm a monster!

I remember going into HH Gregg as a teenager just so I could play Crash and Burn on their Panasonic 3DO. That was during its $700 price phase when it hung out with the Laseractive and CD-i. When the price dropped to $399 my dad got me one one day with his tax check. The morning after the purchase I got up before school at 4 am just to play Crash and Burn for a few solid hours. I'll never forget that. So yes, Joe, your a monster for not being aware of my extended backstories and enthusiastically including CnB as such. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 20, 2013, 02:37:40 PM
What? No love for Crash 'n Burn? Joe, you know better.


I'm a monster!

I remember going into HH Gregg as a teenager just so I could play Crash and Burn on their Panasonic 3DO. That was during its $700 price phase when it hung out with the Laseractive and CD-i. When the price dropped to $399 my dad got me one one day with his tax check. The morning after the purchase I got up before school at 4 am just to play Crash and Burn for a few solid hours. I'll never forget that. So yes, Joe, your a monster for not being aware of my extended backstories and enthusiastically including CnB as such. :P


I had to do the same in my mall.  They only had Tennis but it looked so REAL as they advertised.  Strangely enough the 3D0 kiosk was in a specialty  camera and film store that sold high end cameras, film, and developed pictures. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 20, 2013, 02:41:39 PM
What? No love for Crash 'n Burn? Joe, you know better.


I'm a monster!


I remember going into HH Gregg as a teenager just so I could play Crash and Burn on their Panasonic 3DO. That was during its $700 price phase when it hung out with the Laseractive and CD-i. When the price dropped to $399 my dad got me one one day with his tax check. The morning after the purchase I got up before school at 4 am just to play Crash and Burn for a few solid hours. I'll never forget that. So yes, Joe, your a monster for not being aware of my extended backstories and enthusiastically including CnB as such. :P


 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png) Joe s still working on the Cd-i Special....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on August 31, 2013, 07:44:01 PM
Games that need Sequels!


Hell yes Return Fire! It's a great game, gotta love the frustrating chess table map. The single mode is good but the meat of the game comes from the multiplayer mode, the manual of Return Fire lists the single player mode as a "Training Mode" actually haha.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 31, 2013, 08:04:56 PM
Games that need Sequels!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxSxg59rGA

Hell yes Return Fire! It's a great game, gotta love the frustrating chess table map. The single mode is good but the meat of the game comes from the multiplayer mode, the manual of Return Fire lists the single player mode as a "Training Mode" actually haha.

Watched it shining force really could use a proper sequel.Nintendo has no problem keeping fire emblem going,i don't know why sega can't do the same for shining force.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: c0ldb33r on September 02, 2013, 08:47:51 AM
My wife and I love watching game sack vids.

The great thing is that game sack videos entertain our 3 month old like nothing else. I think its the brights colours in the old games. We don't let him watch TV but he does see these occasionally.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 06, 2013, 03:49:18 PM
A true sequel to Actraiser would probably top my list, as long as Yuzo Koshiro returns to do the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 06, 2013, 05:43:02 PM
seekualls
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 06, 2013, 06:14:07 PM
A true sequel to Actraiser would probably top my list, as long as Yuzo Koshiro returns to do the soundtrack.

Sure, as long as it had the god segments. Also, Yuzo is cool but when he returned to do part 2's soundtrack, he decided not to be cool. I think he was either depressed or something then (that was also the Streets of Rage 3 era I believe).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 07, 2013, 02:37:14 AM
A true sequel to Actraiser would probably top my list, as long as Yuzo Koshiro returns to do the soundtrack.

Sure, as long as it had the god segments. Also, Yuzo is cool but when he returned to do part 2's soundtrack, he decided not to be cool. I think he was either depressed or something then (that was also the Streets of Rage 3 era I believe).

Yep. God segments are a must. Hopefully Yuzo would be in a good mood. Anything but the best from him wouldn't do.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on September 07, 2013, 03:07:05 AM
1000th game sack reply!  :D 8) Also I always really wanted actraiser :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: c0ldb33r on September 07, 2013, 03:43:53 AM
I'd like a God mode only sequel. Basically the opposite of Act raiser 2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on September 12, 2013, 11:29:26 AM
I like Game Sack better when they cover the retro stuff. Not a fan of the newer systems. The magazine ep was cool
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on September 12, 2013, 11:38:30 AM
I like Game Sack better when they cover the retro stuff.

Seconded
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 12, 2013, 01:25:59 PM
I like Game Sack better when they cover the retro stuff.

Seconded

Thirded
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on September 12, 2013, 03:13:00 PM
I like Game Sack better when they cover the retro stuff.

Seconded

Thirded

What's Fourth art thou game sack? 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on September 12, 2013, 03:19:24 PM
Also, give that sack some beans.  I miss the fart. :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: cabbage on September 14, 2013, 06:03:41 AM
Mr. GameSack For President!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: choijimmy on September 14, 2013, 07:33:12 AM
I just found out game sack recently ( sorry for late ). Really really love it  :D  Thanks Game Sack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 14, 2013, 08:58:04 PM
Game Sack-Games that Time Forgot
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 15, 2013, 01:47:17 AM
I just found out game sack recently ( sorry for late ). Really really love it  :D  Thanks Game Sack!

As penance, watch 80 episodes in a row, today.

Your soul will be cleansed; God will finally smile upon you.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on September 15, 2013, 03:11:15 AM
Another good ep. I wish Astal would get a new game
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on September 15, 2013, 07:57:47 AM
Gumshoeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Nintendo, revive it on touch control consoles please.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 18, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
I remember Bug being featured on the VHS Saturn Promo tape Sega sent everyone back in '94-'95. I never ended up playing the game but I will always remember being kinda intrigued by the platforming mechanics.

I laughed so *hard* when I saw Stunt Racer FX getting *violently slammed* into the SNES. I am still laughing typing this.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 19, 2013, 10:50:11 AM
Star Fox was so awesome...I still don't understand how Stunt Racer FX was ever released....

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 19, 2013, 12:33:01 PM
Star Fox was so awesome...I still don't understand how Stunt Racer FX was ever released....



Star Fox had atmosphere to spare. Stunt Racer not so much. Star Fox was programmed by Argonaut which was famous in Europe for a wire-frame space game called Starglider. I hear that Starglider, "Reeked of atmosphere" as stated by our friend Sunteam during a Wibble podcast. That atmosphere definitely poured over into Star Fox.

I think with a few more months of polish Stunt Racer FX might have been loads better. Or they could have waited for the Super FX Chip 2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on September 19, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
I wonder if it's an issue of frame rate as well.  Star Fox controls well enough to make the slow-ish frame rate workable, but I'm not sure the same can be said for a racing game.  Virtua Racing on the Genesis moves at a smoother frame rate than even Star Fox & benefits greatly from it.  I wonder if it's a fault of the Super-FX chip or the SNES' processor.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 20, 2013, 05:54:25 AM
I wonder if it's an issue of frame rate as well.  Star Fox controls well enough to make the slow-ish frame rate workable, but I'm not sure the same can be said for a racing game.  Virtua Racing on the Genesis moves at a smoother frame rate than even Star Fox & benefits greatly from it.  I wonder if it's a fault of the Super-FX chip or the SNES' processor.

Yes, I know what you mean. The illusion of speed (or lack thereof) is a crucial make-or-break element to a racing game. Tight controls, to follow....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on September 21, 2013, 01:53:09 AM
I just found out game sack recently ( sorry for late ). Really really love it  :D  Thanks Game Sack!

I just found game sack too. It's great! Finally someone gives the turbo some love. I love AVGN, but do not know why he never really covers turbo games. Theres plenty of shit games to choose from. Long live the sack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on September 23, 2013, 04:07:15 AM
Theres plenty of shit games to choose from.

You suck.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 23, 2013, 05:45:49 AM
Theres plenty of shit games to choose from.

You suck.  :P

Not as much as Night Creatures, Yo Bro!, Darkwing Duck, Tailspin, Impossimole, Falcon, Gunboat etc :-D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on September 23, 2013, 08:32:06 AM
But bad obey is still better than any SNES/Genny. A 1 out of 10 Hu is still a 11 compared to Square SNES RPG or Treasure Genesis platformer. We must all have blind loyalty to Turbo...the one true god! Blasphemy to all other false consoles! So say we all.   
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 23, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
well said majors lee!! you just got yourself 6 million karmas!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on September 23, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
Just curious where game channels like yourself get stuff like the opening music from. Obviously you get a lot of views now and you have to be very careful about copywrite issues. Did someone you know make that or is it like some public domain stuff (don't know much about this sort of thing)?
Also do you have to worry about what kinds of music and footage is ok to show on your shows? I know some game shows have had videos pulled from music in the game or even footage of the game itself causing issues. I recall in the one with ridge racer on 3do you guys couldn't have the music playing.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on September 23, 2013, 03:27:37 PM
OMG! gunboat is the worst. I own that POS! The actual gameplay looks like it came from the Atari 2600 lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on September 23, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
But bad obey is still better than any SNES/Genny. A 1 out of 10 Hu is still a 11 compared to Square SNES RPG or Treasure Genesis platformer. We must all have blind loyalty to Turbo...the one true god! Blasphemy to all other false consoles! So say we all.   

Yep, never played famous franchises like Zelda but I've beaten all Gunboat missions, my life mission is already fulfilled.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on September 23, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
But bad obey is still better than any SNES/Genny. A 1 out of 10 Hu is still a 11 compared to Square SNES RPG or Treasure Genesis platformer. We must all have blind loyalty to Turbo...the one true god! Blasphemy to all other false consoles! So say we all.   

Yep, never played famous franchises like Zelda but I've beaten all Gunboat missions, my life mission is already fulfilled.

If you've never played a Zelda game, you're really missing out.  Kudos for beating all the Gunboat missions, though!  That's one I don't own yet, but I  don't think I'd have your patience to get very far in it. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 23, 2013, 08:48:36 PM
Just curious where game channels like yourself get stuff like the opening music from. Obviously you get a lot of views now and you have to be very careful about copywrite issues. Did someone you know make that or is it like some public domain stuff (don't know much about this sort of thing)?
Also do you have to worry about what kinds of music and footage is ok to show on your shows? I know some game shows have had videos pulled from music in the game or even footage of the game itself causing issues. I recall in the one with ridge racer on 3do you guys couldn't have the music playing.

I had a friend do the title music. And yes, I tossed him a bit of $$$, not that he asked for any. The rest of the music is videogame music. One episode had a clip of a popular song which I used to make fun of a bad version of After Burner but the clip was so short that Youtube didn't care. Also had a quick clip of Back to the Future 3 in our Light Gun episode but again Youtube didn't care... too quick.

Konami is a little bitch, though. Try uploading the stage 1 theme from NES Castlevania. It'll get flagged or at least recognized. Even if you record it from your very own NES. Crazy ol' Konami.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 24, 2013, 01:00:20 AM
Just curious where game channels like yourself get stuff like the opening music from. Obviously you get a lot of views now and you have to be very careful about copywrite issues. Did someone you know make that or is it like some public domain stuff (don't know much about this sort of thing)?
Also do you have to worry about what kinds of music and footage is ok to show on your shows? I know some game shows have had videos pulled from music in the game or even footage of the game itself causing issues. I recall in the one with ridge racer on 3do you guys couldn't have the music playing.

I had a friend do the title music. And yes, I tossed him a bit of $$$, not that he asked for any. The rest of the music is videogame music. One episode had a clip of a popular song which I used to make fun of a bad version of After Burner but the clip was so short that Youtube didn't care. Also had a quick clip of Back to the Future 3 in our Light Gun episode but again Youtube didn't care... too quick.

Konami is a little bitch, though. Try uploading the stage 1 theme from NES Castlevania. It'll get flagged or at least recognized. Even if you record it from your very own NES. Crazy ol' Konami.

Did Sega ever flag you back when they were flagging everyone's videos?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on September 24, 2013, 01:50:22 AM
I love GameSack.I like it better than AVGN because its more educational. Even if its about something I already know about its awesome. I just hate when they review current gen games. Like I dont know about that and neither do all the 12 year olds in the world
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 28, 2013, 07:34:02 PM
Game Sack The Sega 32x
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 28, 2013, 10:00:08 PM
Game Sack The Sega 32x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBtyb_E060


Why watch the Giants when Sunday is best spent with Game Sack?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: retroguy on September 29, 2013, 01:31:05 AM
I need to get a 32X. I guess I'm just weird like that, but ever since I started getting into retrogaming seriously, I've always been more attracted to the "underdog" consoles that no one really seems to care about (and hence have cheaper games because "collectors" are ignoring them). SMS, Intellivision, Game Gear, etc).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on September 29, 2013, 03:09:02 AM
9:47 LMAO
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on September 29, 2013, 05:19:16 AM
Game Sack The Sega 32x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBtyb_E060


Why watch the Giants when Sunday is best spent with Game Sack?




Yea I definitely prefer watching Game Sack over Eli Manning getting sacked! :)

Also I was on the fence about gamesack for the first 15-20 episodes but since then it has become my favorite game related series on youtube. Consistent new episodes, great production values, and a constant adherence to sticking with a great formula. It doesn't pretend to be something that it isn't which I really appreciate. Keep up the great work Joe and Dave!

Hopefully Joe sees this... Will there ever be a 'behind the scenes' or 'making of' gamesack episode? Would love to follow the journey in creating a full episode!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on September 29, 2013, 05:29:35 AM
I saw John Elway in this episode so it is automatically awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 29, 2013, 07:37:55 AM
Hopefully I'll get to this episode tonight or tomorrow night. I am still on the fence with this much maligned system. If I could be guaranteed a copy of Blackthorn I might bite and get one. Star Wars Arcade and Shadow Squadron look cool too. And there's the best port of Virtua Racing. Damn! Maybe I *should* get one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 29, 2013, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: sirhcman

Hopefully Joe sees this... Will there ever be a 'behind the scenes' or 'making of' gamesack episode? Would love to follow the journey in creating a full episode!


I'd like to... maybe. The thing that holds me back is that I've read comments from other people stating that they just couldn't get into AVGN any more after watching his making-of episode because it somehow "destroyed the illusion". But still it might be fun to do.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on September 29, 2013, 08:50:05 AM
I was just getting ready to ask you guys when you were gonna cover the 32x. :D  Fantastic!

I was wondering, though...is there any chance that the characters in Blackthorne are actually polygonal & not pre-rendered sprites?  I ask because the game seems to experience some slowdown when there are about 4-5 characters on-screen...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 29, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
Okay finally watched it. I had no idea there were that many games available for the system! Shocker!

Let me pick your brain for a minute, Joe. On the 32X's sound chip.... Do you know which chip is used in games like Space Harrier and After Burner for the music? Is the sound emulating the arcade somehow? And as for the majority of 32X games is the Genesis' Yamaha soundchip used at all?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 29, 2013, 12:48:40 PM
Blackthorne is all pre-rendered, it's just not very optimized. Not a lot of people knew how to properly program for the 32X, I don't think.

For Space Harrier, I think the Genesis does the percussion and bass and the 32X does everything else. Or maybe the Genesis does everything BUT the percussion and the bass, can't remember. In After Burner the 32X does all of the sound. I have a recording somewhere of JUST the 32X audio on some games. The Genesis' sound chip is used almost exclusively in most 32X games. Cosmic Carnage, for example, is 100% Genesis sound and music. Same with Shadow Squadron. Knuckles' Chaotix uses the 32X only for the drums. The 32X is simply programmed to sound like the arcade game they're running. No emulation. Probably not powerful enough. But you can make it sound however you want. It can even play .MOD files and I think .XM files. But not MP3, no way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 29, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
So basically they split the workload on the arcade conversions. They did a good job. The Sega System 16 arcade board has, in my opinion, the greatest and most memorable FM synth audio processor in history. It's too bad Sega's choice in Yamaha FM chips to power the MD's sound output couldn't replicate that kind audio quality. It happened with the 32X though it seems.

What processor exactly outputs the 32X's sound when it is used? One of the Hitachi 32-Bit chips?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 29, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
hitachi 32-bit chips usually do not output any musics. They have used either the same or a similar yamaha FM chip set (like the YM2151), used for the older sega boards.

but it's strange, I can't find any usefule information about it. even wiki japan only states that there were 2 additional FM channels added to the x32 supporting the the Mega drives 6 channels.

if it were a YM2151 or similar, it would have at least like 6 more channels.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 29, 2013, 01:45:30 PM
I didn't think the 32-Bit Hitachi chips outputted sound but I wasn't sure. In any case I doubt we saw the 32X's sound capabilities pushed very hard. Makes me long to hear what it could do.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 30, 2013, 04:29:49 PM
All 32X-generated sound is sample-based PWM. You can make it sound like anything you want, just like your PC's sound card can (with the right instructions). And yes, one of the Hitachis runs the sound. It depends on the individual game. Many 32X games have their game logic run by the Genesis' 68000. Some of them (like Doom or After Burner) one of the Hitachis runs the game logic. The slave Hitachi in this scenario is likely driving the PWM sound. In Doom's case I believe the Z80 is driving the sound since it's mostly 2612. It all depends on how the game was made. I'm not sure if the Z80 or the 68000 can drive PWM sound from the 32X or if the 32X always has to do it itself (like in Doom when some of the sound effects come from the 32X). I could ask a 32X programmer if you like.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on September 30, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
All 32X-generated sound is sample-based PWM. You can make it sound like anything you want, just like your PC's sound card can (with the right instructions). And yes, one of the Hitachis runs the sound. It depends on the individual game. Many 32X games have their game logic run by the Genesis' 68000. Some of them (like Doom or After Burner) one of the Hitachis runs the game logic. The slave Hitachi in this scenario is likely driving the PWM sound. In Doom's case I believe the Z80 is driving the sound since it's mostly 2612. It all depends on how the game was made. I'm not sure if the Z80 or the 68000 can drive PWM sound from the 32X or if the 32X always has to do it itself (like in Doom when some of the sound effects come from the 32X). I could ask a 32X programmer if you like.

So the Hitachi's DID generate sound! Yes, ask that programmer. This is extremely interesting.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 30, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
joe, you're talking about driving the sound, but what did generate the output in the end? which was the question.
space harrier is all YM2151 sounding, even tho there is no YM2151 to be found in there?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ApolloBoy on September 30, 2013, 09:24:23 PM
joe, you're talking about driving the sound, but what did generate the output in the end? which was the question.
space harrier is all YM2151 sounding, even tho there is no YM2151 to be found in there?
Space Harrier originally used the YM2203, which the YM2612 is somewhat based on.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 01, 2013, 12:45:24 AM
My favorite feature of the 32X wasn't mentioned. Running games on it makes the composite video from the Genesis look better on most Genesis models.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 01, 2013, 01:24:41 AM
hahaha.. so your favorite output is composhite too? :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 01, 2013, 01:27:32 AM
hahaha.. so your favorite output is composhite too? :P

I don't have any RGB modded systems.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 01, 2013, 01:45:17 AM
My favorite feature of the 32X wasn't mentioned. Running games on it makes the composite video from the Genesis look better on most Genesis models.

I am glad you mentioned this. While watching the episode the other night I wondered if the output improved.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 01, 2013, 02:13:25 AM
I am glad you mentioned this. While watching the episode the other night I wondered if the output improved.

I can't comment on all Genesis models. I only have one 32X setup, and it's a Genesis 1, Sega CD 1, 32X tower of power combo, but the video coming out of it is quite a bit better from the 32X than the Genesis 1. I've not tried the 32X on the Genesis 2, X'eye, or CDX though I know it's possible with those. I also have Genesis 3 and the LaserActive Genesis module but there's no easy way to hook it up with stock hardware there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 01, 2013, 02:14:10 AM
hahaha.. so your favorite output is composhite too? :P

I don't have any RGB modded systems.

But,.. the MD/Genny is RGB ex works :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 01, 2013, 05:26:29 AM
hahaha.. so your favorite output is composhite too? :P

I don't have any RGB modded systems.

But,.. the MD/Genny is RGB ex works :)

It's more challenging to get a RBG setup here in the states, Tats. Adapters, special monitors, EU Scart cables. It's a mess.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on October 01, 2013, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: sirhcman

Hopefully Joe sees this... Will there ever be a 'behind the scenes' or 'making of' gamesack episode? Would love to follow the journey in creating a full episode!


I'd like to... maybe. The thing that holds me back is that I've read comments from other people stating that they just couldn't get into AVGN any more after watching his making-of episode because it somehow "destroyed the illusion". But still it might be fun to do.

I could see where that would be true with AVGN because he is "in character". I don't think it would be the same with game sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 01, 2013, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: sirhcman

Hopefully Joe sees this... Will there ever be a 'behind the scenes' or 'making of' gamesack episode? Would love to follow the journey in creating a full episode!


I'd like to... maybe. The thing that holds me back is that I've read comments from other people stating that they just couldn't get into AVGN any more after watching his making-of episode because it somehow "destroyed the illusion". But still it might be fun to do.

I could see where that would be true with AVGN because he is "in character". I don't think it would be the same with game sack.

There have been some moments that were "behind the scenes" ...was it the Sega-CD episode if GameSack that showed the green screen...and the episode of the "collections" that showed the homes/office/studio/video capturing&editing...OMG, I FEEL LIKE A STALKER.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 06, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
So when are we going to see a episode comparing the different ports of Bubble Bobble? I just got the Master System version and it rocks and rolls all day long. :)
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 06, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
So when are we going to see a episode comparing the different ports of Bubble Bobble? I just got the Master System version and it rocks and rolls all day long. :)

Bubble Bobble, better than masturbation—William Shakespeare
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on October 06, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
So when are we going to see a episode comparing the different ports of Bubble Bobble? I just got the Master System version and it rocks and rolls all day long. :)

I'm still waiting for the CDi episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 06, 2013, 02:41:29 PM
Send us all CDi models and all of the games and you'll get one. We won't want to keep them trust us.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 06, 2013, 04:11:40 PM
We won't want to keep them trust us.  :)

hahaha..best insurance one can just have.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 07, 2013, 07:12:09 AM
So when are we going to see a episode comparing the different ports of Bubble Bobble? I just got the Master System version and it rocks and rolls all day long. :)

I'm still waiting for the CDi episode
Hulk Smash!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on October 07, 2013, 02:00:37 PM
What is a good game on the CD-I?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on October 07, 2013, 03:29:26 PM
What is a good game on the CD-I?

Tetris... not so much for the gameplay but for the music!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on October 07, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
What is a good game on the CD-I?

-The Apprentice.
-Mutant Rampage: Bodyslam.
-Christmas Country.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on October 08, 2013, 02:35:18 AM
What is a good game on the CD-I?

Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, and Ms Pacman, Galaga, Galaxian on the compilation disc thing.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on October 08, 2013, 02:39:03 AM
What is a good game on the CD-I?

Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, and Ms Pacman, Galaga, Galaxian on the compilation disc thing.

Micro Machines
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 08, 2013, 02:44:35 AM

Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, and Ms Pacman, Galaga, Galaxian on the compilation disc thing.

Lemmings (a port on many other systems isn't bad), the light gun games aren't bad. Burn Cycle is certainly playable.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on October 08, 2013, 02:47:39 AM
If my cdi 450 didnt just take  a dump a little while back id totally send it out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on October 08, 2013, 02:50:25 AM
If my cdi 450 didnt just take  a dump a little while back id totally send it out.

Perhaps you might want to send it to Chop to look at?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 08, 2013, 08:22:20 AM
What is a good game on the CD-I?
A more prudent question would be, what is a good exclusive for the CDI other than the horrid Zelda and Mario games?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on October 08, 2013, 08:28:59 AM
they are all shit. seriously.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 08, 2013, 01:57:32 PM
I remember playing Burn Cycle in a Software Etc. bitd. It seemed pretty cool.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 12, 2013, 07:30:35 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 13, 2013, 10:03:14 AM
Awesome! I'm glad we finally saw a proper review of Ghost House.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 13, 2013, 12:33:09 PM
Will watch this tomorrow night where I can appreciate it more. I don't need the thought of work in the morning dragging me out of the zone. Mondays evenings are my "Friday nights". Looking forward to the episode. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on October 14, 2013, 01:05:39 AM
Mondays evenings are my "Friday nights". Looking forward to the episode. :)

I'm with you. Monday after work is grilling and podcast followed by a few(okay, way too many) beers and movies/shows (including 'da sack) with friends. Walking Dead tonight, bitches!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on October 14, 2013, 07:47:18 AM
Another quality Video.  Between you guys, Kimbal Justice, and Spider 1 there is a serious level of talent just on this site.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 14, 2013, 08:44:00 AM
Another quality Video.  Between you guys, Kimbal Justice, and Spider 1 there is a serious level of talent just on this site.

Kimbal is on this site?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on October 14, 2013, 09:30:20 AM
I think he is?  Maybe I'm remembering a link of his on here?  Either way watch his vids he is my Favorite.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 14, 2013, 02:52:48 PM
I think he is?  Maybe I'm remembering a link of his on here?  Either way watch his vids he is my Favorite.

Mine too. They are excellent!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 14, 2013, 04:10:02 PM
I LOL'd at Dave running from his car in terror.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 16, 2013, 07:39:14 AM
I LOL'd at Dave running from his car in terror.


I only watched it once, but am I crazy or did Dave do everything backwards? Two screaming babies were interrupting my viewing, plus Quaaludes in my coffee, but...

Am I crazy?

Joe, I love that you filmed on location (at least, it looked authentic). MOAR ON-LOCATION SHOTS, even if it's only for intro/outro.

Gorgeous pine forest, or whatever.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on October 16, 2013, 11:13:34 AM
I liked the last episode. The bigger and more complex to wire the better. Long live the 32x
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 16, 2013, 12:20:06 PM
I LOL'd at Dave running from his car in terror.


I only watched it once, but am I crazy or did Dave do everything backwards? Two screaming babies were interrupting my viewing, plus Quaaludes in my coffee, but...

Am I crazy?

Joe, I love that you filmed on location (at least, it looked authentic). MOAR ON-LOCATION SHOTS, even if it's only for intro/outro.

Gorgeous pine forest, or whatever.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)


The scenes with Dave were definitely played backwards. I liked it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 16, 2013, 01:52:54 PM
yeah, you could see it very well when he picked up the woods which kinda jumped into his hands..hahaha.

I was wondering why they did it that way, sure if not just for some shits and giggles?!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 16, 2013, 02:57:02 PM
Because Dave is dreaming. The shots when he's waking up/is awake were shot in the normal direction.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 16, 2013, 03:00:02 PM
ah okey..so everything in his dream was shot backwards? even the driving sequence?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 17, 2013, 04:00:52 AM
Because Dave is dreaming. The shots when he's waking up/is awake were shot in the normal direction.

I love that you guys did that. It's not easy to get it right (natural), but you certainly did. Ha!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 21, 2013, 05:14:24 AM
I just recently found out about gamesack in around may. I had a horrible accident and was bed ridden for about two weeks or so. Anyways I love it alot more than AVGN because GameSack EDUCATES you on GOOD games as well as entertains you. AVGN seems to be all entertainment now and its not even funny. That style of humor is sick to me and not funny at all.

Keep it up Game Sack!!! BTW who is Joes partner in crime?  that guy looks like my best friend Eli.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 21, 2013, 08:23:58 AM
That's Eli I mean Dave.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on October 21, 2013, 01:20:02 PM
AVGN is a pure humor show with some videogame backgrounds. I mean, some games that he "reviews" aren't even as shit as he makes them look (like the review for Die Hard, which is actually a great action adventure game and a good adaptation of the movie), he even said that he actually like some games he reviews, actually.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 21, 2013, 01:41:40 PM
he even said that he actually like some games he reviews, actually.


I sure hope for him that he really likes dracula X on the PCE, else.. (http://www.thegforum.ch/images/smilies/damn.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 21, 2013, 06:50:27 PM
he even said that he actually like some games he reviews, actually.


I sure hope for him that he really likes dracula X on the PCE, else.. (http://www.thegforum.ch/images/smilies/damn.gif)

I take it you never watched the avgn look at the cv series  :-" :roll:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 21, 2013, 09:36:09 PM
We'll be talking about Dracula X again real soon. Best classic Castlevania ever!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on October 23, 2013, 06:22:25 AM
Game Sack - Gaming on Halloween 3

I am saving this episode until October 31st to get the full effect. I just hope that it is not going to be to scary for me ;-)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 26, 2013, 09:29:34 PM

I was surprised that joe like the flashback remake,when most sites have given it a low score.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 26, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
oh that will be a fest tonite :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 27, 2013, 04:41:26 AM
Cool! Watching now
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on October 27, 2013, 05:25:17 AM
Excellent episode.

Two games I'd like to see covered in a future "remake" episode would be:

Nights Into Dreams vs Nights Into Dreams HD
Donkey Kong Country vs Donkey Kong Country Returns
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 27, 2013, 05:32:32 AM
I am playing Metroid Zero also but got stuck?? I suck. The Flashback game looks great. I did not like the Castlevania remake, half the charm is the beautifully drawn sprites and backgrounds
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on October 27, 2013, 06:02:16 AM
Excellent episode.

Two games I'd like to see covered in a future "remake" episode would be:

Nights Into Dreams vs Nights Into Dreams HD
Donkey Kong Country vs Donkey Kong Country Returns

Is Donkey Kong Country Returns a remake? I only played it a short amount of time (hated the controls) so I wasn't sure if it was a remake or just a new edition to the franchise..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on October 27, 2013, 06:06:43 AM
Yeah I guess its not really a remake, but they reused a lot of the music so it felt like a remake to me.

And they actually covered it in their Donkey Kong / Valis episode:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 27, 2013, 06:23:22 AM
Is BlueBMW David?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on October 27, 2013, 06:29:39 AM
Nope, the Game Sack guys are in Colorado, I'm in Tennessee.  Though hopefully by summer I'll be out there too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 27, 2013, 10:31:03 AM
Is Dave on this forum or just the Sega16 one?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 27, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
If he's here he only lurks. He loves to lurk.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 27, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
Lurky Twerky like Miley Cyrus?

or Cyrus from ChronoTrig?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on October 27, 2013, 12:51:31 PM
How did I miss the Flashback remake, I'll buy it right now
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 27, 2013, 04:46:41 PM
If he's here he only lurks. He loves to lurk.

he always forgets to take his daily obey pills.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 27, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
How did I miss the Flashback remake, I'll buy it right now

Yeah  :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 28, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
It's weird. When I don't like a game that everyone else likes, they whine. When I like a game that gets bad reviews, people whine. My hypothesis: People's minds are usually already made up and it's usually what the rest of the hive mind thinks. And people DO NOT like it when you think differently than they do, it makes them uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on October 28, 2013, 09:45:40 AM
Flashback is my Favorite game on the Genesis, I may look at this Remake but I've heard it wasn't good?

Another classic Vid by Game Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 28, 2013, 01:20:45 PM
I am glad someone other than me is complaining about the butt-stomp removal (sounds like a medical procedure) in Castle of Illusion.

Is the physical copy of Ducktails really supposed to come out in November? I bought my copy at Walmart last month. Maybe they put it out too early???

Speaking of Walmart, Joe, I would go to their chemicals department to see if they have any Dave White Traps. Seems you need to start setting traps and pitfalls in your game room to protect it from pests (read: Dave White).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
I am glad someone other than me is complaining about the butt-stomp removal (sounds like a medical procedure) in Castle of Illusion.

Is the physical copy of Ducktails really supposed to come out in November? I bought my copy at Walmart last month. Maybe they put it out too early???

Speaking of Walmart, Joe, I would go to their chemicals department to see if they have any Dave White Traps. Seems you need to start setting traps and pitfalls in your game room to protect it from pests (read: Dave White).

AISLE 57: Rodenticide and Dave White Traps.

 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on October 28, 2013, 04:33:30 PM
How did I miss the Flashback remake, I'll buy it right now

Yeah  :roll: :roll:
Flashback Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crh9hmQsMLw#)


Ben Moore or Joe Redifer? I guess I'll go with Joe's review. :P
Good or bad I prefer seeing it by myself in this case.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 28, 2013, 06:08:14 PM
How did I miss the Flashback remake, I'll buy it right now

Yeah  :roll: :roll:
Flashback Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crh9hmQsMLw#)


Ben Moore or Joe Redifer? I guess I'll go with Joe's review. :P
Good or bad I prefer seeing it by myself in this case.

Just a example,most reviewers have given then game a low score such as GT giving it a 3.4.I guess it find odd,that joe likes the game unless i missed some thing.Then again critics are not all ways right.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 28, 2013, 07:43:26 PM

Is the physical copy of Ducktails really supposed to come out in November? I bought my copy at Walmart last month. Maybe they put it out too early???


November 12 is the release date. Do you have the game on disc? It's not something that just enables you to download it, is it? Pics please.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 29, 2013, 01:39:43 AM

Is the physical copy of Ducktails really supposed to come out in November? I bought my copy at Walmart last month. Maybe they put it out too early???


November 12 is the release date. Do you have the game on disc? It's not something that just enables you to download it, is it? Pics please.

It's a PS3 disc case with a collectable pin. No game. Just a download code.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on October 29, 2013, 03:03:29 AM
really good show this time.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 29, 2013, 09:15:32 AM
Not truly physical but still cool. Kinda wish I knew about the actual physical release before I bought this copy. But these seemed to come to our store in small quantities so I snagged it.

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/Mathius78/IMG_20131029_160732_zps6b94c9b6.jpg) (http://s719.photobucket.com/user/Mathius78/media/IMG_20131029_160732_zps6b94c9b6.jpg.html)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/Mathius78/IMG_20131029_160744_zpsb5951fa8.jpg) (http://s719.photobucket.com/user/Mathius78/media/IMG_20131029_160744_zpsb5951fa8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 29, 2013, 06:10:07 PM
Not truly physical but still cool. Kinda wish I knew about the actual physical release before I bought this copy. But these seemed to come to our store in small quantities so I snagged it.

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/Mathius78/IMG_20131029_160732_zps6b94c9b6.jpg) (http://s719.photobucket.com/user/Mathius78/media/IMG_20131029_160732_zps6b94c9b6.jpg.html)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww194/Mathius78/IMG_20131029_160744_zpsb5951fa8.jpg) (http://s719.photobucket.com/user/Mathius78/media/IMG_20131029_160744_zpsb5951fa8.jpg.html)

Nice man,i wish more games by wayforward had a physical release most often there digital only.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 30, 2013, 02:31:32 AM
wow, the hell was the point with no disc
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on October 30, 2013, 05:03:38 AM
wow, the hell was the point with no disc

^^^^
Second'd.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 30, 2013, 07:16:51 AM
wow, the hell was the point with no disc

^^^^
Second'd.

Probably to help Capcom gauge people's interest in a physical release.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on October 30, 2013, 07:57:59 AM
hmmm I would hope
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 30, 2013, 06:13:54 PM
I have my $20 for the REAL physical release! One guy commented on the video with something like "Physical release coming in November? It's been out for two months. Source: I work at the store that sells them". I guess he never noticed that the box said "Digital Copy Only" on the front. But hey, free pin. Yay? Hopefully your version didn't cost $20, Mathius.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 31, 2013, 01:24:37 AM
I have my $20 for the REAL physical release! One guy commented on the video with something like "Physical release coming in November? It's been out for two months. Source: I work at the store that sells them". I guess he never noticed that the box said "Digital Copy Only" on the front. But hey, free pin. Yay? Hopefully your version didn't cost $20, Mathius.

Yep. 20 clams.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 09, 2013, 06:23:24 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on November 09, 2013, 10:01:51 PM
watched :)

digged the galaxy force II Defeat BGM, even it was very short :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on November 10, 2013, 01:40:23 AM
And now I'm going to go play some excite truck.... :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 10, 2013, 06:16:11 PM
Hey guys, someone just posted this comment on our Valis & Donkey Kong Country episode:

"Overall, Turbo Grafx games seem over saturated."

Take that, Turbo users!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on November 10, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
Hey guys, someone just posted this comment on our Valis & Donkey Kong Country episode:

"Overall, Turbo Grafx games seem over saturated."

Take that, Turbo users!


Damn, we have to face the truth: the gratuitous use of colors has jaded our sensibilities. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgsad.png)

In other news:

 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/genesis_does_brown2.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on November 11, 2013, 02:13:05 AM
Genesis really does what NEC and Nintendon't: limit the on-screen color limit to 64.

Genesis does. And to think NES has 1/2 of the color limit (32 with 8 repeating colors), because of course 16/8bit = 64/32colors != 482/32colors, that's why Tuborgraphix isn't true 16 bit. DO THE MATH ! ! !
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 12, 2013, 01:57:16 AM
Thanks for mentioning El Viento/ Annette Again on the disappointing sequel list!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 23, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on November 23, 2013, 09:12:15 PM
cool episode.

liked the FM in WB in monsterworld  and the water in that jurassic park 2 game..
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Post by: BigusSchmuck on November 24, 2013, 07:21:06 AM
More Devil's Crush and Wonderboy love. I love it!
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Post by: Mathius on November 26, 2013, 12:41:19 PM
I've had a really shitty past couple of days. Car problems. Not sure if I am going to have a job at the end of the week. I threw on this ep of Game Sack and it really helped to cheer me up. Thanks, Joe and Dave.

I have made it nearly to the end of Legendary Axe but could never beat it. I have been trying for years. LA2 is good but my favorite part of the sequel is the music. I've said this before but it reminds me so much of Dungeon Explorer's music. And that isn't a bad thing.

Speaking of never beating a game. Pilotwings. Ugh. I love this game to death but I have been trying to beat the 2nd helicopter level for two decades! I didn't even know there was extra content beyond that.
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Post by: Punch on November 26, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
Yeah that last "secret command" mission on Pilotwings is hard as hell! Not that the rest of the game was any easier...

The Game Center CX live challenge of pilotwings and all past episodes are great because they illustrate well how hard that game can be.
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Post by: TR0N on December 07, 2013, 06:07:05 PM
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Post by: Mzo on December 07, 2013, 08:17:51 PM
That was a good episode, and I couldn't care any less about sports games than I already do.

No Mutant League, though?  Or hockey?

And yeah, as soon as sports games got realistic I lost the little interest I had.  Oh well.

Always a fun watch!
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Post by: turboswimbz on December 08, 2013, 01:27:41 AM
You missed out on the hockey games:
NHL 94 - 96 with the genny version getting the slight edge over the Snes games.  really fun games, not to serious, and they have fights.

Dave disappointed me, What was with the lack of love for the gameboy?  I use to love baseball, and also soccer mania.  I LOVE THE MUSIC in Soccer Mania.  I mean just look at it below!!  Play action football wasn't bad either at the time.


I also really like extra innings for a baseball game.
1080 snowboarding and cool boarders were awesome too.

I've also enjoyed some of the Mario sport games. Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, hell even Mario Super Sluggers.

But i am a wierdo who doesn't mind sports game. 
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Post by: Tatsujin on December 08, 2013, 02:32:15 AM
lol i watched that.
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Post by: Xak on December 08, 2013, 03:09:28 AM
MUTANT LEAUGE!!! whats wrong with you Joe? How did you forget that!:??? GREAT EPISODE. I grew up with madden 93 and taught me the rules and penalties on football before i actually got to play in HS. My friend used to get PISSED when  I would run a punt block on his run play LOL.

Segas NFL2K series is timeless and 2k5 IS STILL BETTER than the newest Madden which is sad. gameplay wise, animation wise, A.I. wise, and even STATISTICALLY ACCURATE to the current NFL. 1O years later!!!!

No captain tsubasa ? No Nekketsu Soccer?

"Dont watch it a buncha times, tell your friends"-joe LMFAO !!!!!
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Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 08, 2013, 08:16:26 PM
Game Sack - Sports Videogames! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE7HSzQQouc#ws)


And secretly Joe has devised a way to sell all those rare sports games he has amassed, through spin and positive online media advertising. Now he will have a one up on all the other Sega Genesis sports game lot sellers. I imagine soon we will see something along the lines of this (scroll image over to reveal seller id :P) :

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/WOT results folder/joeauction_zps20517a78.png) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Amakusa666/media/WOT results folder/joeauction_zps20517a78.png.html)
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Post by: Xak on December 09, 2013, 12:23:02 AM
NHL Faceoff 97 for ps1 is the funnest hockey game I ever played. I dont watch it or play the sport so I dont care for it. But hockey video games are fun.


I used to like TV Sports Hockey, enough to write a review on it

http://www.gamefaqs.com/tg16/589152-tv-sports-hockey/reviews/review-34512
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 09, 2013, 07:16:30 AM
Ha ha but my sports games are CIB and 160 is the starting bid. BIN is $1000. THEY'LL SELL, I tell you!!!!
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Post by: Punch on December 09, 2013, 08:13:46 AM
Where is the International Superstar Soccer??? :(
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Post by: Arkhan on December 09, 2013, 08:58:58 AM
No Sports Talk Baseball?

Auto Fail.
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Post by: Xak on December 09, 2013, 10:07:50 AM
Tecmo Super Bowl on the genesis is an entirely different game than teh SNES version. The GEN version is faster, characters are more well proportioned and much funner to play. Its the best 2player game of the NES vs GEN vs SNES versions of Tecmo SUPER Bowl (not Tecmo Bowl). But the NES version is the funnest to play single player since its not super easy like the Genesis version.
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Post by: Phase on December 09, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
Good episode, I would have liked to see madden 3do and Duo thrown in there just for fun.
How about a non realistic sports games episode sometime in the future like 20/20 baseball teleroboxer nbajam and other goofy games. I've never played mutant league but i remember the adds in egm . Anyone remember fifa soccer for 3do with the giant ball code? lolz
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Post by: futureman2000 on December 10, 2013, 12:53:51 AM
No Sports Talk Baseball?

Auto Fail.

Didn't they talk about sports talk baseball? He said it sounded like a speak & spell.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on December 10, 2013, 02:15:04 AM
No Sports Talk Baseball?

Auto Fail.

Didn't they talk about sports talk baseball? He said it sounded like a speak & spell.
Yes they did.  Ark doesn't actually watch videos he blams on here.

I think one could do an entire episode about retro baseball games!  Sad to see no NES Baseballs Stars or Baseball Simulator 1.000 mentioned.  Those games are so brilliant!!
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Post by: ccovell on December 10, 2013, 12:14:12 PM
Not a bad sports episode.

True story: On summer vacation in Washington State ~1992, my brother and dad decided to rent an NES & sports game to play at our motel.  The game they chose: Bases Loaded II.  They played for only 30 minutes before all three of us were driven crazy by the horrible, horrible "music".  We went right back to the video store and the nice lady there let us trade it for another title at no extra charge.  (Wayne Gretzky Hockey was the replacement.)

Trivia time:  Pat Riley's Basketball on the Genesis, Takin' it to the Hoop on the Turbo, and Ultimate Basketball on the NES were all basically the same game, developed by Aicom.  You can easily tell from the very similar close-ups during shots on the net.
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Post by: Punch on December 10, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
Yeah I definitely noted the similarities in the close up shots. Pretty interesting, never played the Pat Riley and Ultimate Basketball games.
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Post by: Xak on December 10, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
Segas NFL2k1 used to be my all time favorite sports game, its now 2k5. The deepest franchise mode is like football RPG, rpg like character growth, fluid gameplay , realistic stats, its a modern day  Tecmo Super Bowl.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 10, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
Trivia time:  Pat Riley's Basketball on the Genesis, Takin' it to the Hoop on the Turbo, and Ultimate Basketball on the NES were all basically the same game, developed by Aicom.  You can easily tell from the very similar close-ups during shots on the net.

Interesting to know! Did they make the Pat Riley prototype on the SMS as well? If I recall, that one doesn't have any close-ups. Just today I procured the ever-popular TV Sports Basketball. Mighty game indeed. ;)  I also just took delivery of the incredible World Class Baseball. In many ways it looks just like Tommy Lasorda Baseball. I have to assume the same developers made it. I haven't played the JP version but the US version only has two voices "Seeaa" (safe) and "Outo" (out). Did they just remove the rest because they were in Japanese? I know with Tommy Lasorda, the JP version has Japanese voices and everything was re-recorded in English for the US release. I'm sure Tommy Lasorda directed the recording sessions if not voiced them himself.
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Post by: Tatsujin on December 10, 2013, 10:04:03 PM
Takin' it to da poop!!
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Post by: majors on December 11, 2013, 01:37:28 AM
I also just took delivery of the incredible World Class Baseball.

WCB does nothing wrong IMO for a 1st gen sports game (I can forgive lack of real teams and player names). The gem in that game is base stealing. Two player game becomes a total meta game of leading out from bases and racing the ball. f*ck a bunch of hitting and catching balls.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 11, 2013, 07:18:41 AM
The LAST things I care about are real teams or players. I would like it if Denver was represented somehow, though. And Denver always needs to be something cool like the Ninjas or the Deadly Assassins.
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Post by: esteban on December 11, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
The LAST things I care about are real teams or players. I would like it if Denver was represented somehow, though. And Denver always needs to be something cool like the Ninjas or the Deadly Assassins.

STATUS: NJ would be the NinJas. Just sayin'.

Trü storie.
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Post by: toymachine78 on December 14, 2013, 02:04:31 AM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.
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Post by: Xak on December 14, 2013, 03:09:11 AM
Im surprised you compared Tecmo Bowl to the Genny and SNES Tecmo Super, but the NES Tecmo Super is actually better than all of those games, gameplay wise.

The Genesis one is the best programmed one and it has "to scale" graphics and smooth animation and control, it sucks that the AI is too easy, so its only good for 2Player play.

I hated Tecmo Super Bowl 2 & 3 for both systems. Lol and I used to have the 'rare' TSB2 on genesis, still sucked IMO.
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Post by: BigusSchmuck on December 14, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
I'm surprised you guys didn't review Punchout, Arch Rivals, Pigskin Football, NBA Jam, and NFL Blitz! Never the less, it was refreshing to see old classics like Tecmo Bowl and Bases Loaded, those brought back some good memories...
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 14, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.

Your comment is what sucks. So far in just under a week 17,946 people have cared about sports games. The accusation that we're running out of ideas was uncalled for. Seems like it was a good idea so far.
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Post by: Mathius on December 14, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.

Your comment is what sucks. So far in just under a week 17,946 people have cared about sports games. The accusation that we're running out of ideas was uncalled for. Seems like it was a good idea so far.

It's just his opinion, Joe. You can't please everyone.
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Post by: sirhcman on December 14, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.

Your comment is what sucks. So far in just under a week 17,946 people have cared about sports games. The accusation that we're running out of ideas was uncalled for. Seems like it was a good idea so far.

It's just his opinion, Joe. You can't please everyone.

Mathius if he had an opinion he should have given his reasoning for why he didn't like it and not just make a broad generalization as to why the episode "sucked". Personally I enjoyed the episode and hope we get another sports episode in the future!
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Post by: Mathius on December 14, 2013, 12:45:41 PM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.

Your comment is what sucks. So far in just under a week 17,946 people have cared about sports games. The accusation that we're running out of ideas was uncalled for. Seems like it was a good idea so far.

It's just his opinion, Joe. You can't please everyone.

Mathius if he had an opinion he should have given his reasoning for why he didn't like it and not just make a broad generalization as to why the episode "sucked". Personally I enjoyed the episode and hope we get another sports episode in the future!

Don't get me wrong. I think his post was cruel and borderline trolling. I was just trying to make Joe feel better.
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Post by: Xak on December 14, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
Joe dont listen to the haters, great show regardless of what WASNT covered.

Obviously means it was a hit and a second show would be cool. I really hate Baseball games but Konamis Bottom of the 9th for ps1 is bliss. They made 3 more afterward that SUCKED BAD!!! The first one was arcade-like and so damn fun.

The batting is so fun, I prefer it to the "8bit and 16bit batting"

(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u428/duderockgame/bottom9_zps03538cd0.jpg)
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Post by: jeffhlewis on December 14, 2013, 04:20:03 PM
I don't get the unilateral nerd rage against sports games. It's almost a cliche.

Madden, despite all of its flaws, is an extremely deep, technical and rewarding game if you enjoy football. If you don't enjoy and/or understand how football is played, you probably won't enjoy it. Simple as that.

That being said, Bases Loaded 1 was a large part of my childhood - need to fire that one up again some time.

Also - Beach Spikers volleyball for the Gamecube is an absolute blast if anyone hasn't played it. It has more tasteful bewbies than DOA Beach Volleyball:
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Post by: Xak on December 14, 2013, 11:03:01 PM
Madden 93 taught me the rules of football

Tecmo Super taught me how to score.

This led to a  great HS football career. lol, we won 3 games in 4 years. We played against the best schools in the S. Fla district that get to go to colleges, so we didnt suck , we were just outmatched.
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Post by: ccovell on December 14, 2013, 11:47:30 PM
I don't get the unilateral nerd rage against sports games. It's almost a cliche.

For me, it's the fact that no matter the country, if you go to your typical used game / pawn shop, you've got to sift through loads of unwanted sports games in order to find the remaining 10% of stuff that is good.
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Post by: Mathius on December 15, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
I don't get the unilateral nerd rage against sports games. It's almost a cliche.

For me, it's the fact that no matter the country, if you go to your typical used game / pawn shop, you've got to sift through loads of unwanted sports games in order to find the remaining 10% of stuff that is good.

This makes me wonder why used game stores still buy old EA sports games since they usually just sit and rot.
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Post by: esteban on December 15, 2013, 12:57:36 AM
I don't get the unilateral nerd rage against sports games. It's almost a cliche.

For me, it's the fact that no matter the country, if you go to your typical used game / pawn shop, you've got to sift through loads of unwanted sports games in order to find the remaining 10% of stuff that is good.

This makes me wonder why used game stores still buy old EA sports games since they usually just sit and rot.

It varies by country, but there are ordinances preventing resellers from abandoning sports games (computer/console/handheld), boy bands (CD/vinyl/8-track) and books by Paula Dean (hardcover/softcover).

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Post by: toymachine78 on December 15, 2013, 02:07:06 AM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.

Your comment is what sucks. So far in just under a week 17,946 people have cared about sports games. The accusation that we're running out of ideas was uncalled for. Seems like it was a good idea so far.

Like the other poster said. Its just my opinion. I personally love game sack, and of the many many episodes you've created, that's the first one i'd say sucked. Pretty good record if you ask me.
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Post by: ccovell on December 15, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games!

http://tecmobowl.org/

6,929 people do, for example.  For ONE SINGLE GAME.

The "who cares?" line of logic is just an invitation for a flood of counterexamples.

Sure, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.  But giving one's opinion without any concrete reasons is how 10-year-olds argue.
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Post by: Mathius on December 15, 2013, 11:37:53 AM
The Sports episode sucked no offense. Who gives a crap about 20 year old sports games! Y'all must be running out of ideas.

Your comment is what sucks. So far in just under a week 17,946 people have cared about sports games. The accusation that we're running out of ideas was uncalled for. Seems like it was a good idea so far.

Like the other poster said. Its just my opinion. I personally love game sack, and of the many many episodes you've created, that's the first one i'd say sucked. Pretty good record if you ask me.

If you want to use some constructive criticism and give a fair analysis of Joe, Dave, and Jen's hard work then by all means say it. Don't act like a pre-teen as it'll only make you look bad.
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Post by: Mathius on December 15, 2013, 11:59:35 AM
I don't get the unilateral nerd rage against sports games. It's almost a cliche.

For me, it's the fact that no matter the country, if you go to your typical used game / pawn shop, you've got to sift through loads of unwanted sports games in order to find the remaining 10% of stuff that is good.

This makes me wonder why used game stores still buy old EA sports games since they usually just sit and rot.

It varies by country, but there are ordinances preventing resellers from abandoning sports games (computer/console/handheld), boy bands (CD/vinyl/8-track) and books by Paula Dean (hardcover/softcover).



That's the first time I have ever heard of those ordinances. But it kinda makes sense.
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Post by: BlueBMW on December 15, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
PCengineFX is just a bunch of cuddle bugs.  <3 <3 <3
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Post by: Xak on December 15, 2013, 05:27:21 PM
On my 5th season (2010) of NFL2k5  ... For the first time ever I got two losses in a season, and so early at 3-2. Went on to 9-2. Bills lead the leauge with Peyton Manning at 10-1 power ranked.

My division is by far the toughest, I was last place at one point and the Saints and Panthers were  6-0 each. For some reason the AFC dosnt have many winning teams or teams with good records period.

Ten year old game looks this good, and its still better than all the new maddens (not graphically of course though,but ANIMATION-wise, YES) reason.... SEGA , thats why the f***. Not only that, the controls are SO FLUID and more realistic compared to the latest madden where the players feel like Im playing a hockey game. In 2K sudden changes in direction causes your player to cut (like you would in real grass with CLEATS ON). Madden you just SLIDE to the other direction no fluidity, bad animation, even WORSE presentation, 2K looks like a real game broadcast.

(http://cubemedia.gamespy.com/cube/image/article/547/547358/imadden-2005i-vs-iespn-nfl-2k5i-20040913031238948.jpg)
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Post by: SuperDeadite on December 15, 2013, 07:41:54 PM
Should have done Namachukei 68, Konami's little known Baseball game for the X68000.  The graphics are really impressing compared to the console games of it's time (1993).
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Post by: toymachine78 on December 16, 2013, 05:46:08 AM
Man... talking about 10 year olds and pre teens.... Some of you people are as sensitive as menopausal women. Lightnen up. These are JUST video games!

.... Who cares about the atrocities in Darfur. I'm spending all my time and mental energy to pummel you with my superior useless knowledge of 20 year old sports games.

You guys must be a hoot to get started on the Lucas mods to star wars. It would be like watching a bunch of wind up toys all wound up running around bumping into one another. Lol You guys are something else!  :lol:
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 16, 2013, 07:03:43 AM
X68K was dead at the time this episode was made But I'm happy to report that HE IS RISEN.
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Post by: ccovell on December 16, 2013, 11:25:19 AM
Some of you people are as sensitive as menopausal women.

Ladies, did you hear what he just said?  8-o
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Post by: esteban on December 16, 2013, 07:07:55 PM
X68K was dead at the time this episode was made But I'm happy to report that HE IS RISEN.

Praise the Lorde.
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Post by: TR0N on December 21, 2013, 07:25:17 PM
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Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 21, 2013, 09:34:16 PM
Great video once again.  Joe I just saw the Vid of the TG16 killing you, you've been at this for a while.  Good stuff.
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Post by: Mathius on December 24, 2013, 02:59:38 AM
A delicious episode.

Merry Christmas Joe, Dave, and Jen!
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Post by: Necromancer on December 24, 2013, 03:59:25 AM
No Implode or Meteor Blaster DX?   :?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on December 25, 2013, 11:00:30 AM
RASICM!!! DEJAP  TRANSLATIONS = RACIST

according to overly sensitive people.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 25, 2013, 05:52:36 PM
I don't have Implode or Meteor Blaster DX. I barely even know what they are. I think I remember some older super-simplistic Turbo homebrews but the likes of Mysterious Song and Insanity blew them away on every level. Are they freely available to download to my Turbo Everdrive?
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Post by: esteban on December 25, 2013, 10:13:46 PM
I don't have Implode or Meteor Blaster DX. I barely even know what they are. I think I remember some older super-simplistic Turbo homebrews but the likes of Mysterious Song and Insanity blew them away on every level. Are they freely available to download to my Turbo Everdrive?


Scandalous.

You can correct this by making a mini-episode covering both games AND featuring a segment where you dance to the awesome tunes. I am not joking: justice must be served. Sadly, this was not the scene at your home recently:

(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/xmas2013b.jpg) (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/xmas2013d.jpg)

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Post by: Necromancer on December 26, 2013, 02:32:30 AM
I don't have Implode or Meteor Blaster DX. I barely even know what they are. I think I remember some older super-simplistic Turbo homebrews but the likes of Mysterious Song and Insanity blew them away on every level. Are they freely available to download to my Turbo Everdrive?


Both games are at least worth looking at and offer a hell of a lot more entertainment than a test cart or watching a two minute demo; Implode is admittedly pretty basic, but Meteor Blaster DX has more going on (high scores, cut scenes, power-ups, and shields) than what's in Insanity. 

A no frills version of Meteor Blaster (non-DX) is available for download here (http://mindrec.com/?main=pce/meteor.php). 
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 26, 2013, 07:17:06 AM
Esteban (yes that's right I capitalized it) I like how I get a completely different image when I click on your posted image. First shows Turbo gifts and the click through shows Turbo peril.

I don't think Meteor Blaster DX is supported any more. I just tried to order it through their TurboZone Direct link and for some weird reason the site's just not there. Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on December 26, 2013, 07:54:28 AM
RASICM!!! DEJAP  TRANSLATIONS = RACIST

according to overly sensitive people.

"JAP" is racist and against the forum rules.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on December 26, 2013, 07:59:11 AM
I don't think Meteor Blaster DX is supported any more. I just tried to order it through their TurboZone Direct link and for some weird reason the site's just not there. Hmmmm....

Ha!  Did you order a model instead?

You can get 'em from MindRec's store - $10 for Implode, $20 for Meteor Blaster DX (recent pressed version), or $27 for both. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: bob on December 26, 2013, 08:04:24 AM
is there anyplace to download episodes and watch off-line instead of YouToooob?
I would love to package some up for the flights I am taking in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on December 26, 2013, 09:47:47 AM
is there anyplace to download episodes and watch off-line instead of YouToooob?
I would love to package some up for the flights I am taking in a couple weeks.

Get Firefox, this plugin for Firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-youtube/

And VLC to play the videos back in once you download them from youtube.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on December 26, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
BlackTiger i was unaware. I apologize. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: bob on December 26, 2013, 10:00:35 AM
is there anyplace to download episodes and watch off-line instead of YouToooob?
I would love to package some up for the flights I am taking in a couple weeks.

Get Firefox, this plugin for Firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-youtube/

And VLC to play the videos back in once you download them from youtube.

Thanks, but need to get them on the iPad. Maybe there's an app for that?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on December 26, 2013, 10:41:37 AM

Thanks, but need to get them on the iPad. Maybe there's an app for that?

You can download them on a computer and play them on VLC for iPad.

https://itunes.apple.com/app/vlc-ios/id650377962
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Post by: esteban on December 26, 2013, 11:20:06 AM

Esteban (yes that's right I capitalized it) I like how I get a completely different image when I click on your posted image. First shows Turbo gifts and the click through shows Turbo peril.

I don't think Meteor Blaster DX is supported any more. I just tried to order it through their TurboZone Direct link and for some weird reason the site's just not there. Hmmmm....


I love that you noticed that. Ha!  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Random: I just rewatched the Dreamcast episode earlier today. What does Dave's shirt say? SEGA: Sorry Excuse for a Game...?

Thank you. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 30, 2013, 07:22:45 PM
We posted a new episode on Sunday:


New episode this coming Sunday as well!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on December 30, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
ah damn, and I thought it is about a portable Turbob DUO.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on December 31, 2013, 12:50:37 AM
(http://www.chrismcovell.com/images/flava_flav.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: RoyVegas on December 31, 2013, 06:06:53 AM
We posted a new episode on Sunday:


Tower of Power!  ROFL
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
ah damn, and I thought it is about a portable Turbob DUO.

I know, right? Where do they even get off calling it a Duo but it doesn't play TG-16 card AND CD games? I should have mentioned it in the episode.

Chris Covell why did I see your name on the title screen of Jelly Boy 2? Did you dump the proto?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on January 01, 2014, 12:31:57 AM
No, but I did make an English translation for Jerry Boy 1, and I helped with a JB2 patch by drawing the English title screen and translating the Japanese.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 01, 2014, 01:55:11 AM
We posted a new episode on Sunday:


Tower of Power!  ROFL

It's so portable, the damn thing! :lol:

Anyway, cool review Joe. Pretty good production quality to your stuff. Haven't really checked it out till now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 01, 2014, 04:57:49 AM
man crush on Dave aside, this was a great episode. Im not huge on portable gaming unless its for  a security gig I sit at a gate for 8 hours,other than that I see no place for an adult to have a portable gaming system.

I got a few police officer friends that also carry a portable when assigned night shift. I been to Gamestop with him while he was in full uniform shopping for PSP games lol! I myself am a console man, and most of my security guard gigs are spent roving so I cant play games on the go.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: fragmare on January 01, 2014, 06:04:56 AM
Joe, if you want a copy of Meteor Blaster DX for the SCD, I can probably get you a pressed copy if the mindrec.com store isn't working for you.  :)

It's fairly advanced for early-ish PCE homebrew.  Somewhere between Asteroids and Blasteroids, if that gives you any clues.

btw, I'm not sure if you knew this or not, but MUKOR RULES ALL GALAXIES, just an FYI
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on January 01, 2014, 08:09:58 AM
man crush on Dave aside, this was a great episode. Im not huge on portable gaming unless its for  a security gig I sit at a gate for 8 hours,other than that I see no place for an adult to have a portable gaming system.

I got a few police officer friends that also carry a portable when assigned night shift. I been to Gamestop with him while he was in full uniform shopping for PSP games lol! I myself am a console man, and most of my security guard gigs are spent roving so I cant play games on the go.

Dude... no reason for an adult to have a portable gaming device? Really!? Two good reasons.... 1.When your wife is driving on road trips... 2. For when your in-laws become annoying on road trips. Duh!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 01, 2014, 10:04:21 AM
Those are good reasons. I just thought of plane rides too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 01, 2014, 11:34:43 AM
Fragmare, that'd be awesome. I definitely would feature them in the next Homebrew episode and I always like showing Turbo/PCE stuff. It seemed to be a fairly popular episode among the audience as well and it was really fun to make!

As far as the Retro Duo Portable goes, I think the BEST use for it is to take with you to thrift stores and flea markets/whatever to test out games before you buy them to see if they work. Just as long as said games work on the Retro Duo of course.  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 01, 2014, 03:14:57 PM
man crush on Dave aside, this was a great episode. Im not huge on portable gaming unless its for  a security gig I sit at a gate for 8 hours,other than that I see no place for an adult to have a portable gaming system.

I got a few police officer friends that also carry a portable when assigned night shift. I been to Gamestop with him while he was in full uniform shopping for PSP games lol! I myself am a console man, and most of my security guard gigs are spent roving so I cant play games on the go.

why do you always have to come up with such fishy awkward stuff?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on January 02, 2014, 01:50:34 AM
Dude... no reason for an adult to have a portable gaming device? Really!? Two good reasons.... 1.When your wife is driving on road trips... 2. For when your in-laws become annoying on road trips. Duh!

3.  Gaming while pooping.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on January 02, 2014, 02:50:12 AM
Dude... no reason for an adult to have a portable gaming device? Really!? Two good reasons.... 1.When your wife is driving on road trips... 2. For when your in-laws become annoying on road trips. Duh!

3.  Gaming while pooping.  :mrgreen:

4. gaming while f*cking
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 02, 2014, 10:42:24 PM

Dude... no reason for an adult to have a portable gaming device? Really!? Two good reasons.... 1.When your wife is driving on road trips... 2. For when your in-laws become annoying on road trips. Duh!

3.  Gaming while pooping.  :mrgreen:

4. gaming while f*cking

5. Gaming while gaming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 03, 2014, 12:31:08 AM

Dude... no reason for an adult to have a portable gaming device? Really!? Two good reasons.... 1.When your wife is driving on road trips... 2. For when your in-laws become annoying on road trips. Duh!

3.  Gaming while pooping.  :mrgreen:

4. gaming while f*cking

5. Gaming while gaming.

yo dawg, I herd you like gaming? so we....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 03, 2014, 01:25:51 AM
Your right! Gaming while pooping! Another valid reason
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on January 03, 2014, 02:03:26 AM
Maybe Joe needs to do a "Top 10 reasons for Adults to own a portable gaming device" Game Sack episode! That could be quite funny if done right.

You and Dave will prob want to flip a coin to see who gets stuck performing the gaming while pooping segment lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 03, 2014, 02:08:55 AM
^lol, no not a good episode idea, at least IMO

hilarious  Dave comment though. I would lose my man crush on Dave if that happened
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 03, 2014, 08:22:58 AM
You and Dave will prob want to flip a coin to see who gets stuck performing the gaming while pooping segment lol

Dave would do the segment because he's always the one who's on the toilet when we shoot the toilet scenes in our videos.  Hmmm... without context that sentence sounds rather creepy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 04, 2014, 07:08:21 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 04, 2014, 09:07:10 PM
thx..good ep. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on January 05, 2014, 01:37:26 AM
thx..good ep. :)

+1 Great work again guys, really enjoyed this one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 05, 2014, 02:14:06 AM

Game Sack -Unreleased Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LpV2Y32-BU#ws)


Great episode. Also, inspirational.

Ha! This reminds me, I gotta find more stuff to add to our unreleased PCE/TG-16 items:

http://archives.tg-16.com/magazine_database.htm?col=desc&val=un (the mysterious "XXX" in the header is the shortcut for unreleased stuff...)

I gotta add Rift War Saga and the advertisement for Dangerous Journeys...and Off the Wall...sheesh...


Covell, I believe, has an excellent table consolidating all the PCE titles that never saw the light of day.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on January 05, 2014, 06:48:07 AM
Another good one
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on January 05, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Make a Part 2
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 05, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
ResQ   looks really good! nothing I would never play but nevertheless it looks good graphically and its innovative.

Timetrax looks awesome

OH MY GOD HOME VIDEO OF A YOUNG SEXY DAVE!! I LOVE YOUUUUU

MR.Nuts 2 looked really cool

JimPower has some really good scrolling and use of colors

No Shadowhawk proto for the SNES? No one has released the proto yet :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 05, 2014, 04:58:01 PM
I've played timetrax before and it dosen't look that awesome in real, its real strength definitely lies in the sound department (especially the title) :D

glad joe even mentioned tim follin inthere :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 18, 2014, 06:21:06 PM
This should make superdeadite happy,since he go's on about the system like there's no tomorrow !!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 18, 2014, 08:18:33 PM
I tried to ask him some questions in preparation for this episode. He wouldn't answer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 18, 2014, 08:46:13 PM
I tried to ask him some questions in preparation for this episode. He wouldn't answer.
He didn't ask for a favor did he !? Maybe that's why hmmmmm  :roll:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 18, 2014, 08:47:19 PM
boah,  joe really likes his genesis :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 19, 2014, 01:26:26 AM
I'll watchie tonight or tomorrow night per usual. I have one of these fine machines and my only regret is not getting a tri-sync monitor. Switching resolutions can be a pain.

Looking forward to watching this episode especially, Joe! :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 19, 2014, 01:40:56 AM
I tried to ask him some questions in preparation for this episode. He wouldn't answer.
He didn't ask for a favor did he !? Maybe that's why hmmmmm  :roll:

Umm WTF is this bullshit?  Fun fact, I have all ads and monetization options on my youtube account disabled and always have, my videos are out of pure passion, no interest in fame/money.  I've never even said "plz subscribe" in any of them ever.   

As for joe, I'm rather busy these days, haven't done a video myself since October.  My personal backlog is large enough as it is, and I have no interest in being part of gamesack, hence no response.  I get messages from people about the X68K daily and the majority go unanswered.   
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 19, 2014, 02:06:39 AM
Great episode as usual. i was always into pC88 98 emulation. Now you turned me on to 68000 emu

time for teh romz cheaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 19, 2014, 02:18:42 AM
Great episode as usual. i was always into pC88 98 emulation. Now you turned me on to 68000 emu

time for teh romz cheaaaaaaaaa

can't you just shut up, for only a day?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on January 19, 2014, 03:31:50 AM

can't you just shut up, for only a day?

If people keep responding to him he never will.

ON TOPIC: Another great episode Joe, you guys get better and better with each new episode! Tell Dave I appreciate everything you guys put out! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 19, 2014, 03:35:17 AM
im sorry that i throughly enjoy this particular Game Sack episode. Now get off my nuts and get back on topic jeez.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on January 19, 2014, 06:11:03 AM
Well, now I have to put an X68K on my list of things to buy one day.

Also, hi everyone! I'm back! :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Otaking on January 19, 2014, 07:00:41 AM
I tried to ask him some questions in preparation for this episode. He wouldn't answer.

and I have no interest in being part of gamesack, hence no response.
You have no interest in Game Sack yet you checked/read this Game Sack thread mmm....  :-k
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on January 19, 2014, 12:08:10 PM
Nice episode. Their X68k collection looks to be about the same size as mine. I should also probably get me some midi modules someday too. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on January 19, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Great episode! I never knew such a machine existed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 19, 2014, 12:58:05 PM
Nice episode. Their X68k collection looks to be about the same size as mine. I should also probably get me some midi modules someday too. :)

MIDI is a lot of fun.  Definitely get you an SC-55 and CM-64 if you can find them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on January 19, 2014, 01:06:26 PM
How much of that stuff in the video belonged to Beemer? Thought I recognized the mixer, midi modules, etc.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 19, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
it's fun, but I love the pekes FM that much, that I would enjoy most games on its native tunes the most :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 19, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
How much of that stuff in the video belonged to Beemer? Thought I recognized the mixer, midi modules, etc.

I think le everything :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 19, 2014, 02:27:31 PM
What does pekes mean? Is that some sort of foreign word?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 19, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
What does pekes mean? Is that some sort of foreign word?

I think its an alternate fan name for the X68000...  kind of like how some call the Sega Genesis the "Feka"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 19, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Interesting. Anyway to address Tat's comments, yeah the FM is really awesome. I wish it had more bass, though. It sounds kind of thin sometimes. It could use more lower frequencies but the amount of stellar music on the system is amazing. I'm still in the process of recording game soundtracks for my own personal collection. I always like to record from the actual hardware instead of emulators or Winamp-type stuff or what have you.

What are some of your favorite X68000 soundtracks? I wanna make sure I don't miss anything.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 19, 2014, 03:02:27 PM
What does pekes mean? Is that some sort of foreign word?

I think its an alternate fan name for the X68000...  kind of like how some call the Sega Genesis the "Feka"

I never heard that about the Genesis before. Crazy. Thanks for clearing that up though. I felt kinda out of the loop where the X68k was concerned.

Interesting. Anyway to address Tat's comments, yeah the FM is really awesome. I wish it had more bass, though. It sounds kind of thin sometimes. It could use more lower frequencies but the amount of stellar music on the system is amazing. I'm still in the process of recording game soundtracks for my own personal collection. I always like to record from the actual hardware instead of emulators or Winamp-type stuff or what have you.

I'm with Tats on this one. Maybe it's because I don't have a MIDI setup yet but well produced FM has such a cool style that has always been hard for me to ignore. On the other side of the coin poorly produced FM can really grate on my ears. Poor Mega Drive output comes to mind with all the "fart" noises it made that people still make fun of. Overall though the X68k has some truly stellar FM soundtracks that should always be checked out even if MIDI is an option.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 19, 2014, 03:22:06 PM
Joe, I have only just scratched the surface with the X68k's library but off the top of my head (and excluding the obvious choices) I would check out the tunes for Mad Stalker. I first heard them when I was alone, at night, and messing around with my X68000. Due to the setting (and time of year I played it) it always brings the warm and fuzzies for me.  I'll never forget it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 19, 2014, 05:54:42 PM
Yeah I've already recorded tunes from Mad Stalker, Aquales, Crossfire EX, Etoile Princesse, Geograph Seal, Star Cruiser and Akumajou Dracula (all 3 sound options). There's plenty more I need to do so gimme suggestions if you see I haven't already recorded it.

Geograph Seal sounds about 1000x better in FM than it does in MIDI and it always seems to want to default to MIDI.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 19, 2014, 06:37:00 PM
I tried to ask him some questions in preparation for this episode. He wouldn't answer.
He didn't ask for a favor did he !? Maybe that's why hmmmmm  :roll:

Umm WTF is this bullshit?  Fun fact, I have all ads and monetization options on my youtube account disabled and always have, my videos are out of pure passion, no interest in fame/money.  I've never even said "plz subscribe" in any of them ever.   

As for joe, I'm rather busy these days, haven't done a video myself since October.  My personal backlog is large enough as it is, and I have no interest in being part of gamesack, hence no response.  I get messages from people about the X68K daily and the majority go unanswered.   
Just joking for my response still joe cover enough in the video so take what you will.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 19, 2014, 07:02:17 PM
What does pekes mean? Is that some sort of foreign word?

I think its an alternate fan name for the X68000...  kind of like how some call the Sega Genesis the "Feka"

"peke" is an alternative expression for the letter "X" in japanese. so they really call it "peke rokujuuhachi" "ペケ68".
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 20, 2014, 12:51:54 AM
Just watched the video, it was about what I expected.  My biggest issue is the Cotton comment of "nothing special beyond the keyboard lights."  I'm guessing you guys played the first stage and then went with the awful HG101's article of it being a straight port of the arcade game......   This is flat out wrong, if you actually compare it to the arcade you'll notice most of the sprites are completely redrawn, tons of added parallax, and the stage 5 and 6 bosses are completely new and exclusive to this version, while all returning bosses have completely different attack patterns.  Instead of doing a cheap port, Success went all out and made more of a Cotton+ or remix.   Yet know one seems to realize this due to good old HG101's failures.

For internal, my favorite soundtracks are Direct-X, Code-Zero, and Y2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 20, 2014, 07:43:47 AM
I noticed that Cotton's second level boss didn't ripple the ground like even the PCE version does. They did add transparency to the clouds in stage 1, though. I never read HG101's article. I didn't even wanna include Cotton except to show the lights anyway.

Will check out DirectX Code Zero and Y2. What are your favorite MIDI tracks?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 20, 2014, 12:29:27 PM
You can't play Y2 I'm afraid.  It's one of the few games where the copy protection has never been broken.  You can boot the game, watch the intro and begin the first stage, but it will be unplayable without an original disk in the drive.  I do have a capture up on youtube, as I've never met anyone else with a real copy...

For MIDI:

Neural Gear (CM-64)
Metal Orange EX (SC-55)
Group X (SY22)
SION II
Choujin
Gemini Wing
Angel Dive (SC-55 and MIDI only, there is no internal music)

Choujin and Gemini Wing support the CM-64 PCM expansion cards.  Choujin has 7 different music configurations by itself.  SION II was a free game made by a magazine, it has completely different music for each module made by different people.  (play at 10mhz only or the music will be out of sync) The SY22 is a very unusual keyboard that blends FM and Samples via Vector Synthesis.

I'm assuming you don't have the hardware for a lot of the above, but I have vids up on youtube about most of them.  Also SFII' SSFII, Daimakai are actually pure GM, not GS, and the SC-55's GM support is a bit shit.  Greatly benefit from a better module like Yamaha MU100 and after, or Roland SC-88 and after.

The games Afterburner, Thunder Blade, Super Hangon, Neural Gear are all meant to be controlled via analog joystick, hence the digital controls are a bit shit as they were just tacked on.  You can change speed in AB when using the mouse by pushing the XF keys, they are presets for 25% speed changes iirc.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on January 20, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
I seem to remember seeing footage of a port of Kunio-Kun/River City Ransom/Street Gangs on X68k. The MIDI soundtrack was... interesting. I think it was just weird to hear a fully done version of songs I'd only heard in 8-bit on the NES at that point.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 20, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
River City Ransom is FM only iirc... I don't remember it having MIDI.  The game itself is extended with lots of new areas to explore, a bit maze like though.

Oh and for FM, how could I forget:
Bosconian (Flash!Flash!Flash! is one of the best ever)
Space Soldier II
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 20, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
I'm having a difficult time telling the homebrew apart from the real stuff as I browse through the file directory. All the homebrew stuff should be in its own folder and the official stuff in the regular folders. I am not a fan of the organization. It's not logical. That Y2 game seemed homebrew to me mainly because it had the phrase "Gradius-style" in the options screen and it wasn't a Konami game. The name Space Soldier sounds pretty homebrew so I haven't launched it yet.

I accidentally included a homebrew game in the Game Sack episode, Azukin Cha Cha Cha. I would not have included it if I had known. I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm just saying I wanted to stick with official releases. Again I'm not sure why the directories are organized the way they were. Games 4 is ALL CAPS for some weird reason.

EDIT: WOW Bosconian has awesome music.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 20, 2014, 04:55:51 PM
I'm having a difficult time telling the homebrew apart from the real stuff as I browse through the file directory. All the homebrew stuff should be in its own folder and the official stuff in the regular folders. I am not a fan of the organization. It's not logical. That Y2 game seemed homebrew to me mainly because it had the phrase "Gradius-style" in the options screen and it wasn't a Konami game. The name Space Soldier sounds pretty homebrew so I haven't launched it yet.

I accidentally included a homebrew game in the Game Sack episode, Azukin Cha Cha Cha. I would not have included it if I had known. I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm just saying I wanted to stick with official releases. Again I'm not sure why the directories are organized the way they were. Games 4 is ALL CAPS for some weird reason.

EDIT: WOW Bosconian has awesome music.

From what I have heard Azujin Cha Cha also had a Super Famicom release. Not the same game, I believe, more of an RPG I think. It may not have been full on homebrew. I will have to do more research. I am glad you included the game in the video though, Joe. I wouldn't sweat it too much. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on January 20, 2014, 05:31:23 PM
Akazukin Cha Cha Cha is from a homebrew group called Sprite. Here's their home page.
http://spritesoft.web.fc2.com/game/x68k.html

The anime title is "Akazukin Cha Cha" (like the licensed game based on the anime for PC-FX). It's usually considered acceptable in Japan for dojin groups to rip off licensed characters as long as they slightly change the title, thus the extra "cha" in the X68k game name. You'll also notice on Sprite's home page that R-Type becomes "X-Type", Cotton becomes "Potton", and Sailor Moon becomes various combinations of the word "Moon" or "Lady". For some reason or another, they did use the Darius title without changing it. (Could be because it was apparently a school project by the author and never sold for money.)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 20, 2014, 06:39:19 PM
Quote
湯のみよけゲー・・・・・・。
『POTTON』

I LOL'd :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 20, 2014, 10:55:50 PM
I'm having a difficult time telling the homebrew apart from the real stuff as I browse through the file directory. All the homebrew stuff should be in its own folder and the official stuff in the regular folders. I am not a fan of the organization. It's not logical. That Y2 game seemed homebrew to me mainly because it had the phrase "Gradius-style" in the options screen and it wasn't a Konami game. The name Space Soldier sounds pretty homebrew so I haven't launched it yet.

I accidentally included a homebrew game in the Game Sack episode, Azukin Cha Cha Cha. I would not have included it if I had known. I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm just saying I wanted to stick with official releases. Again I'm not sure why the directories are organized the way they were. Games 4 is ALL CAPS for some weird reason.

EDIT: WOW Bosconian has awesome music.

The games directories were originally created based on how much RAM is required to run them off Compact Flash.  Meant to be easy to use for low-ram users.  The version you're using was highly customized by me, (for people with the full 12mbs), and I never messed with the original directories, as it's very easy to corrupt things, most games were never meant to be run off HDD, and they use various tricks and exploits to run.

As for official releases and doujin releases, it gets quite complicated.  For example, Star Trader is official, but it was only sold from Takeru vending machines, all you got was a set of disks and text only print out manual.  You even had to write your own disk labels.

However some doujin releases were also sold in these machines right next to the official games, such as C-ON-Z.  However other doujins were sold via mail order and from Comiket and the like, and a few even have full boxes.  In later years doujins were sold on CDs.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 21, 2014, 02:41:50 AM
Akazukin Cha Cha Cha is from a homebrew group called Sprite. Here's their home page.
http://spritesoft.web.fc2.com/game/x68k.html

The anime title is "Akazukin Cha Cha" (like the licensed game based on the anime for PC-FX). It's usually considered acceptable in Japan for dojin groups to rip off licensed characters as long as they slightly change the title, thus the extra "cha" in the X68k game name. You'll also notice on Sprite's home page that R-Type becomes "X-Type", Cotton becomes "Potton", and Sailor Moon becomes various combinations of the word "Moon" or "Lady". For some reason or another, they did use the Darius title without changing it. (Could be because it was apparently a school project by the author and never sold for money.)


Thanks for the info. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on January 21, 2014, 05:46:25 AM
River City Ransom is FM only iirc... I don't remember it having MIDI.  The game itself is extended with lots of new areas to explore, a bit maze like though.

Huh, maybe I was looking at a different console or something then.

If I may ask a potentially long, painful question, where does one begin on finding one of these things to buy?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 21, 2014, 06:18:00 AM
Really cool episode but I think the high price, failure rate and vintage computer skills needed should have been emphasized more.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on January 21, 2014, 06:47:29 AM
Really cool episode but I think the high price, failure rate and vintage computer skills needed should have been emphasized more.

why?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: chany60126 on January 21, 2014, 07:12:01 AM
Really cool episode but I think the high price, failure rate and vintage computer skills needed should have been emphasized more.

why?

I think he did an adequate job mentioning the high price of the system. He also talked about the high failure rate of the PSU's.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 21, 2014, 07:41:05 AM
You don't really need any vintage computer skills beyond loading floppy disks. They'll load at power up or if RESET is pressed. You just need to make sure you have the correct disks in the system and this is where it can get tricky as some games have many disks that are labeled as Disk 1, Disk 2, Data 1, Data 2 etc etc and that can be confusing. Basically you'll need Data 1 and Disk 1 to start the game and then you'll eventually need to swap out for Disk 2 but leaving Data 1 in and eventually when you get to a new town or area you'll need to change the data disk. Lagoon was a bitch. It took me a while to learn how to boot up Ys 3 and this is how I found all this out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on January 21, 2014, 08:12:07 AM
You don't really need any vintage computer skills beyond loading floppy disks. They'll load at power up or if RESET is pressed. You just need to make sure you have the correct disks in the system and this is where it can get tricky as some games have many disks that are labeled as Disk 1, Disk 2, Data 1, Data 2 etc etc and that can be confusing. Basically you'll need Data 1 and Disk 1 to start the game and then you'll eventually need to swap out for Disk 2 but leaving Data 1 in and eventually when you get to a new town or area you'll need to change the data disk. Lagoon was a bitch. It took me a while to learn how to boot up Ys 3 and this is how I found all this out.

That can be a real pain in the ass. Not one of the system's endearing traits.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 21, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
Easy as hell if you read the manuals. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on January 21, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
You don't really need any vintage computer skills beyond loading floppy disks. They'll load at power up or if RESET is pressed. You just need to make sure you have the correct disks in the system and this is where it can get tricky as some games have many disks that are labeled as Disk 1, Disk 2, Data 1, Data 2 etc etc and that can be confusing. Basically you'll need Data 1 and Disk 1 to start the game and then you'll eventually need to swap out for Disk 2 but leaving Data 1 in and eventually when you get to a new town or area you'll need to change the data disk. Lagoon was a bitch. It took me a while to learn how to boot up Ys 3 and this is how I found all this out.

You forgot about keys you have to hold during start up to enable midi, high memory mode, etc. (which you mentioned in the video). I don't know how anyone does it without having the original manuals and being able to read them, frankly.

Try getting into PC-9801 gaming. Then you oftentimes have to deal with required installs, boot disks you have to make manually using elements of your own system software, and tweaks you have to make to the config.sys and autoexec.bat. And, since it was such a long-lived line of computer architecture, you have to take into account the system requirements and whether your machine meets them, or is so much newer than the game that the programmers never expected it to be run on such a fast processor, or on such a large hard drive. It all just leads to stuff not running correctly, and oftentimes having to come up with clever workarounds on your own. It's basically like relearning the ins and outs of the American"IBM Compatibles" of the early 90's, except with different rules, and in Japanese. For me, trying to get a game to run can sometimes be part of the fun. I wouldn't recommend getting into PC-9801 if that's not your idea of "fun".

Other Japanese retro PC's are relatively straight forward, and similar to what you described above. X68k, MSX, PC-8801, X1, FM7. FM Towns maybe qualifies as medium difficulty if you delve into games that don't just simply boot from CD... Okay. I'll shut up now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 21, 2014, 12:15:47 PM
Towns can get quite difficult as it has some rather odd quirks to deal with.  Even after reading the manual, getting Illusion City to boot on my Fresh was one of the most ass-backwards processes I've ever seen.

Oh, by the way I saw you Ace issues post on toku.  Remove the battery, let the system sit unpowered a few days to clear out the corruption.  Then it should work fine again.  If not you have other issues...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on January 21, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Towns can get quite difficult as it has some rather odd quirks to deal with.  Even after reading the manual, getting Illusion City to boot on my Fresh was one of the most ass-backwards processes I've ever seen.

Yeah. A lot of things suck about Towns for me. I like the crazy-looking tower design of the early models, so that's what I bought after I decided a Marty with a broken floppy drive just wasn't cutting it. But there are actually a lot of games that run too slowly with the slower processor speed, even if you increase the RAM so that they will start. Also, the CD-ROM and floppy drives don't seem very well-made, or reliable. I'd get something newer like the Fresh, but the design just looks like a typical PC from the late 90's. Just so boring-looking from a collector's perspective.

Oh, by the way I saw you Ace issues post on toku.  Remove the battery, let the system sit unpowered a few days to clear out the corruption.  Then it should work fine again.  If not you have other issues...

Thanks! Do you think it would be better to replace the battery or just remove it entirely for now? I'm only using floppy drives right now, so I'm fine as long as it can boot from floppy.

Anyway, we should probably be discussing all of this over at Tokugawa. That forum could use some lovin', and we're probably just derailing this gamesack topic.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 21, 2014, 10:35:06 PM
I'm not registered at Toku, just lurk.  That place is mostly warez/emu stuff.  On rare occasions they find a peke doujin I don't have, but mostly I'm the one who's suppling these days. :P

Remove it, and let the computer sit untouched for a week.  This will be sure to drain you're corrupted SRAM.  In fact if you leave the system in stand-bye mode, SRAM will be kept powered and all switch settings are saved, the battery is only used when fully powered off.   The complicated software SRAM reset is pointless really, just pull the battery, unplug the machine for a week.  As long as you have a working Human68k disk to run switch, you're fine.

For Towns I have my Fresh as the main workhorse, a UX20 for looks and fun, and a Car Marty because it was cheap lol.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on January 23, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
Joe, BTW, do you know how to run in Etoille Princesse? I didn't see you doing it in the video.

If I remember correctly you get the item that lets you run in the second stage. Then you can press and hold the jump button a second time in mid-air which will allow you to move faster for the remainder of the jump and run after you land. Weird, I know, but it works. It's a fun game, and even more fun when you can move around quickly when you need to. Maybe my favorite title overall for the X68k (bonus points for being a platform exclusive).

I will also pick Etoille Princesse for my favorite FM soundtrack, to answer your question earlier.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 23, 2014, 05:27:58 PM
I had no clue what all of the items did except for the one that replenishes your life. I don't think I would like to run in that game since you're so close to the character and can't see very far in front of you. Running would mean almost certain damage by a suddenly-appearing enemy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on January 24, 2014, 10:12:58 AM
I had no clue what all of the items did except for the one that replenishes your life. I don't think I would like to run in that game since you're so close to the character and can't see very far in front of you. Running would mean almost certain damage by a suddenly-appearing enemy.


You might be surprised. Check it out.
(Can't figure out how to link to a timestamped video on this forum. Skip to 1:58.)

The running is especially useful when you need to backtrack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 25, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
I was never in much of a hurry.

On a side note, I wish the X68000 ran games at 60fps instead of 55fps.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on January 25, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
On a side note, I wish the X68000 ran games at 60fps instead of 55fps.

That is very unfortunate. :|
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on January 25, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
Original monitors were basically arcade monitors.  Hence this was not an issue during it's lifetime.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 25, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
i dont mind 55 fps
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on January 25, 2014, 09:47:22 PM
i dont mind 55 fps

yeah sure, you dont even know what that is.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on January 26, 2014, 01:22:59 AM
i dont mind 55 fps

yeah sure, you dont even know what that is.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

faps per second?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on January 26, 2014, 08:03:08 AM
who cares, take it for what it is
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 01, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dingsbums on February 02, 2014, 01:36:06 AM
Great Episode as always guys  8).

A few suggestions for part 4:

1. Riding Fight (Taito, 1992)
2. Pirates (Nix, 1994)
3. Bonk's Adventure (Kaneko, 1994)
4. Nostradamus (Face, 1993)
5. Ken-Go (Irem, 1991)
6. JJ Squakers (Athena. 1993)
7. Sand Scorpion (Face, 1992)
8. Dogyuun (Toaplan, 1992)
9. Outzone (Toaplan, 1990)
10. Fixeight (Toaplan, 1992)
11. Joe & Mac Returns (Data East, 1994)
12. Macross Plus (Banpresto, 1996)
13. Ghox (Toaplan, 1991)
14. Gundhara (Banpresto, 1995)
15. Bomb Jack Twin (NMK, 1993)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 02, 2014, 02:13:57 AM
yeah, that ep was kewl..also funny to lissen to daves crying about why they didn't release that stuff on the snes :D

it's because IT COULDN'T HANDLE NOT EVEN 1/10 of whats going on there :P

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on February 02, 2014, 03:33:05 AM
oh precious acrade boards!! How i've spent many many nights with you . I played through literally hundreds of games, it was funnest beating the game with a friend. Man so many games where quarter muchers even when you set it to Easy.

I beat and loved DJ Boy on the aracade, I will have to get around to that 'sequel' one day, awesome. I only ever played DJ Boy in the arcade. I have many of the games in the video and beat most of them.

Great episode. I like the console ones better since I burnt myself out on the Arcade library over the years 2004-2006
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 02, 2014, 03:52:37 AM
well MAME play.. comes not even close to the real deal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on February 02, 2014, 04:32:15 AM
on a Giant LG it is gaming heaven. Enough room for 4 players too seeing as the screen so large (thats what she said)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 02, 2014, 04:43:33 AM
on a Giant LG it is gaming heaven.

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb245/Jehutly/Diverses/megarofl.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Xak on February 02, 2014, 06:04:35 AM
5 player Xmen widescreen, whats not to like? , as long as you have 5 360 controllers, your good. This is what my old ass PC looks on my old 2007 LG LCD 43'

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/duderockgames/IMG_3019.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/duderockgames/IMG_3023.jpg)

GBA on screen

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/duderockgames/IMG_3069.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/duderockgames/IMG_3047.jpg)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on February 02, 2014, 10:54:18 AM
Those GBA shots look terrible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 02, 2014, 11:50:06 AM
houly shit..that looks beyond terrible :lol:

also we were talking 80s/90s arcade games, supposed to be displayed on the best RGB monitors possible with real scanlines etc. etc. and what do you post? and just look at that terrible eagle filters switched on..if that wouldn' be the ultimate atmosphere breaker :lol:

just again another bullshit from yourside.

SUCH A CLOWN!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on February 02, 2014, 02:02:37 PM
^^^^^
those smoothing edge filters always look like crap. Smooth crap but still crap. Why do you have to ruin the great art done by pixel artists, 60 framse per second?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on February 03, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
those shots are kinda rough, but i tend to upscale 4:3 on a plasma so i know it's not for everybody. 

looking forward to this current ep with the arcade stuff, must've watched the last one on x680000 or whatever 3x already, really great stuff there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on February 03, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
balls!  double post, my bad
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 04, 2014, 02:34:21 AM
A lot of those games I haven't ever heard of. Thanks for shining light on those games, guys!

I only have one question. Where do I get one of those slick Game Sack t-shirts?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on February 04, 2014, 05:56:25 AM
I only have one question. Where do I get one of those slick Game Sack t-shirts?


Official Game Sack Store: http://112817.spreadshirt.com (http://112817.spreadshirt.com/)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 04, 2014, 06:40:54 AM
You can get 'em right here. (http://112817.spreadshirt.com/)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 04, 2014, 06:50:21 AM
Awesome! I bookmarked it. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on February 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
I'm sure this is Dave's doing but quit stalling on the Sega Genesis episode.. Hell, make it a 3-4-5 part episode! We want it already!!! ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on February 04, 2014, 08:14:20 AM
I'm sure this is Dave's doing but quit stalling on the Sega Genesis episode.. Hell, make it a 3-4-5 part episode! We want it already!!! ;)

INDEED!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on February 04, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
You can get 'em right here. (http://112817.spreadshirt.com/)

Huh, an online store to go along with this show of yours, did not know that... Wonder though just how many have bought any of your product offerings. ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 04, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
You can get 'em right here. (http://112817.spreadshirt.com/)

Huh, an online store to go along with this show of yours, did not know that... Wonder though just how many have bought any of your product offerings. ;)


i bet those are used ones by joe and dave during the shows.
so they just order new ones when they have sold one :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on February 04, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
You can get 'em right here. (http://112817.spreadshirt.com/)
Huh, an online store to go along with this show of yours, did not know that... Wonder though just how many have bought any of your product offerings. ;)
i bet those are used ones by joe and dave during the shows.
so they just order new ones when they have sold one :P

Of course, that'd be part of the gag/appeal of the show, makes it more authentic! If you're not "gamesacked" after buying something from the Game Sack store, where's the fun in that ? You could say to your videogaming friends, "Hey, check out my GameSack shirt! I got 'gamesacked'..." When they say, "Uh, what does that mean ?", you say, "Here, smell me a little closer..." To which they will respond, "Oh OK, yeah, you smell horrible... So...why is that funny ? The joke's on you ??" And your response, "Exactly! Should've known better than to buy some shirt from Joe Redifer!!!!!!" :P So yeah, store motto: If it doesn't smell, it's doesn't sell!! Heh-heh.
Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvGtPWNRsA#t=22m55
Expression: "I got gamesacked..." Meaning: left with the smell of a foul stench in the air and some of the most prized games in your collection having mysteriously gone missing...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on February 13, 2014, 02:20:26 AM
You can get 'em right here. (http://112817.spreadshirt.com/)
Huh, an online store to go along with this show of yours, did not know that... Wonder though just how many have bought any of your product offerings. ;)
i bet those are used ones by joe and dave during the shows.
so they just order new ones when they have sold one :P

Oh course, that'd be part of the gag/appeal of the show, makes it more authentic! If you're not "gamesacked" after buying something from the Game Sack store, where's the fun in that ? You could say to your videogaming friends, "Hey, check out my GameSack shirt! I got 'gamesacked'..." When they say, "Uh, what does that mean ?", you say, "Here, smell me a little closer..." To which they will respond, "Oh OK, yeah, you smell horrible... So...why is that funny ? The joke's on you ??" And your response, "Exactly! Should've known better than to buy some shirt from Joe Redifer!!!!!!" :P So yeah, store motto: If it doesn't smell, it's doesn't sell!! Heh-heh.
Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvGtPWNRsA#t=22m55
Expression: "I got gamesacked..." Meaning: left with the smell of a foul stench in the air and some of the most prized games in your collection having mysteriously gone missing...

You forgot to add the saliva and muttering my precious...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 15, 2014, 07:29:55 PM
Here comes another challenger !!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on February 16, 2014, 05:55:12 PM
aw man what's not to like about the Clay Fighter theme song?  it's the best fighter theme song OF ALL TIME
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on February 16, 2014, 06:17:02 PM
Someone never heard Indestructible, which is so bad it's good, or the 3rd Strike rap.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on February 16, 2014, 06:28:10 PM
i heard them both my friend

still standin' by my statement
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on February 16, 2014, 06:28:45 PM
Here comes another challenger !!!
Game Sack - The Other 16-bit Fighting Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_zPkF0VHvg#ws)


I actually really liked Eternal Champions.  I got it the day it came out, loved it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 16, 2014, 06:29:35 PM
clay fighter was so bad, but at least it served as some short negative laughs.

btw. why only one PCE fighter, when there are quite a few official as well mostly better than strap-on fighter? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 16, 2014, 08:01:27 PM
Well we'll get to them eventually. So far only one comment deriding us for including "8-bit" Turbo games in a 16-bit specific video so that's good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on February 17, 2014, 02:47:42 AM
I can't wait for the 100th episode Genesis special! ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on February 17, 2014, 03:49:21 AM
I thought Flash Hiders would be on there, for sure. Maybe it's not as popular as I seem to recall (I got it BITD when it came out; I think gamefan did a spread on it?). Ranma 1/2 the third game for PCE CD (bi-compatible CD/SCD game) was a LOT of fun. Simplistic fighting game, but fun. I enjoyed that game quite a bit back in the day.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arjak on February 17, 2014, 08:23:19 AM
The post-credits skit made me laugh. Poor Dave just got Budokaned!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on February 17, 2014, 09:22:16 AM
another awesome ep. loved the ending with the board switch. Reminds me of a time a friend of mine and his cousin each had a copy of Wayne Gretske hokey for N64. Well they rented Doom 64 from blockbuster, and switched the boards, or labels, i forget which. This was before they started putting those stickers on everything 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 17, 2014, 02:40:52 PM
Really surprised that Strip Fighter had line scrolls! All in all I think Virtua Fighter II wins the award for best line-scrolling. Killer Instinct came really close.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on February 17, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
Time Killers needed to be in there even with the terrible Genesis port.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on February 18, 2014, 04:55:50 AM
Oh man, Fighting Masters...back when SF2 came out in the arcades everyone on my block wanted that game since there were no other true 1 on 1 fighters worth a damn on the Genesis. A friend finally picked it up and we all thought it was the greatest thing of all time, until one of them picked up a SNES with SF2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on February 18, 2014, 05:04:33 AM
the one that comes to mind is 3D Ballz, I liked it back then, it wasn't a great game but it was fun.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 18, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Well we'll get to them eventually. So far only one comment deriding us for including "8-bit" Turbo games in a 16-bit specific video so that's good.
If you ever do a part two and have a mvs i wouldn't have a problem donating,waku waku 7 and matrimelee.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on February 23, 2014, 04:59:37 AM
Do you guys have plans to have guest stars on your show? I'd do a 12 hour drive to CO, just for an episode :B
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on February 24, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
What Bonknuts said! Yeah, I'd like to do an episode with you some time Joe. I like the skit where you hung up on Happy Console Gamer. If we could do something Ys related and where you call me, but I get to hang up on you this time, well, that would be fun I think. ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 24, 2014, 02:22:37 PM
me too joe, please come to japan, we're gonna on a retro game shopping trip for a special ep. and bring dave along with you.

plz
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 24, 2014, 02:35:35 PM
When I move out there I'll photobomb them next time they're at Game Force recording.

Actually, it seems like all the Game Force locations I used to visit are all gone lol.  Buy Back Games is still there on Broadway though...  that brings back memories....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 24, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
what's a game force loc?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 24, 2014, 02:58:11 PM
what's a game force loc?


They're a chain of used game stores in the Denver Colorado area....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on February 24, 2014, 04:58:22 PM
oh nice..are they any good? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pyongyang on February 24, 2014, 08:38:44 PM
Voyeur.  :dance:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 25, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Game Force isn't a chain they're actually franchised so most are independently owned and the quality, selection and prices vary by store. Boulder is the best. I used to rent games from Buy Back Games on Broadway all the time. Now they no longer rent games. Power Play Games was another great one and they rented import games. The owner of Power Play Games went on to create Game Force.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on February 25, 2014, 12:38:31 PM
Game Force isn't a chain they're actually franchised so most are independently owned and the quality, selection and prices vary by store. Boulder is the best. I used to rent games from Buy Back Games on Broadway all the time. Now they no longer rent games. Power Play Games was another great one and they rented import games. The owner of Power Play Games went on to create Game Force.

The inventory at that Boulder store definitely looked nice.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 25, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
Game Force isn't a chain they're actually franchised so most are independently owned and the quality, selection and prices vary by store. Boulder is the best. I used to rent games from Buy Back Games on Broadway all the time. Now they no longer rent games. Power Play Games was another great one and they rented import games. The owner of Power Play Games went on to create Game Force.

The inventory at that Boulder store definitely looked nice.



That it did! As far as I know Indiana doesn't have any stores with that level of retro goodies. There is a store up north that I heard has some goodies but I have yet to visit it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 25, 2014, 03:40:04 PM
Game Force isn't a chain they're actually franchised so most are independently owned and the quality, selection and prices vary by store. Boulder is the best. I used to rent games from Buy Back Games on Broadway all the time. Now they no longer rent games. Power Play Games was another great one and they rented import games. The owner of Power Play Games went on to create Game Force.

That would explain why some sucked and others were good.  I actually bought my first TG16 at the one at Broadway and Belleview I believe... its gone now though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sadler on February 26, 2014, 03:13:04 AM
Buy Back Games is still there on Broadway though...  that brings back memories....

I had no idea there was a Buy Back Games so close by until last week when I spied that one. What Game Force locations did you used to go to? I think the Boulder location is still open and they had a surprising amount of PCE stuff there. :D

EDIT: Should have read the whole thread.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 26, 2014, 03:18:21 AM
I used to hit the one in highlands ranch (over near the king soopers I think)  the one on university near south glen (when it was still a mall) the one at belleview and broadway, game force littleton near sante fe on.... What street was that... Belleview maybe?  And occasionally the one in Lakewood near casa bonita (got my first n64 at that one)  and very rarely one other that was way up noth somewhere.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 26, 2014, 07:12:56 AM
I remember about 10 or so years ago that Game Force that was on Broadway and Belleview had a booger-encrusted Contra for NES and they wanted $50 for it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on February 26, 2014, 07:28:18 AM
Maybe they were famous boogers.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on February 26, 2014, 12:55:39 PM
That it did! As far as I know Indiana doesn't have any stores with that level of retro goodies. There is a store up north that I heard has some goodies but I have yet to visit it.

Interesting, where in Northern Indiana might it be?

I recall McVans being pretty nice 10-15 years ago. But they're all out of business now if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on February 26, 2014, 02:16:20 PM
That it did! As far as I know Indiana doesn't have any stores with that level of retro goodies. There is a store up north that I heard has some goodies but I have yet to visit it.

Interesting, where in Northern Indiana might it be?

I recall McVans being pretty nice 10-15 years ago. But they're all out of business now if I recall correctly.

Yes they are out of business.

The place JD Norman recommended is called Video Palace and Coin Shop. I can't personally comment on their selection but I hear tell that it's interesting.

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Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on February 26, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
I remember about 10 or so years ago that Game Force that was on Broadway and Belleview had a booger-encrusted Contra for NES and they wanted $50 for it.
Reminds me of this one store here in Abilene, TX called "Manuel's." He writes the prices for the games ON the games themselves! No stickers, he just sharpies them on the disk case or worse... the cart itself! And said prices are the typical "looked 'em up on eBay" variety.

That said, I keep going back there because every so often, he'll have something at a great price that I just can't pass up. And that's how I got Crue Ball for my Sega Genesis, CIB, for $5. (And he actually had a sticker on this one!)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 01, 2014, 07:23:36 PM
Hoo ra !! There 100th episode  :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on March 02, 2014, 01:50:26 AM
Congratulations on the 100th episode of Game Sack.  Looking forward to the next 100 and beyond!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 02, 2014, 02:27:39 AM

Congratulations on the 100th episode of Game Sack.  Looking forward to the next 100 and beyond!


Yup, the next 100 can only get better  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on March 02, 2014, 05:19:29 AM
Awesome episode and even better you guys gave the pce a nod.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on March 02, 2014, 07:13:55 AM
Congrats dude. From one TV/Video producer to another, 100 episodes is an amazing accomplishment. Mega props.

And you're right Joe, this is probably the first Top 10 16-bit games list where Super Metroid isn't on it... and I have to agree with that. Just never been able to get into that game. I always get to the part where you have to wall jump and I can never pull the damn thing off!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sadler on March 02, 2014, 07:19:34 AM
SCIV better than Rondo?!


Seriously though, I enjoyed it as always, congrats on 100 episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 02, 2014, 09:09:22 AM
I was expecting a bigger shitstorm from you guys. :)

So far, like before, we've only had one comment along the lines of "You can't have a Turbo game on a 16-bit list because it's CPU is 8-bit blah blah blah". Glad to see that the vast majority have no issues of the Turbo/PCE being included whenever we talk about 16-bit stuff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 02, 2014, 01:00:11 PM
Congrats! Your show is great!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on March 02, 2014, 04:02:58 PM
Amazing looking episode!

Tell Dave all his game picks were really boring!  And Rondo is roughly a million times better than SCIV.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: bishopcruz on March 02, 2014, 05:26:41 PM
I was expecting a bigger shitstorm from you guys. :)

So far, like before, we've only had one comment along the lines of "You can't have a Turbo game on a 16-bit list because it's CPU is 8-bit blah blah blah". Glad to see that the vast majority have no issues of the Turbo/PCE being included whenever we talk about 16-bit stuff.

Well, the biggest issue I have is Super Ghouls and Ghosts over straight Ghouls and Ghosts, and the 2nd worst Castlevania of the generation as #1. I just cannot understand that one, Rondo and Bloodlines are just so much better, as good as SC4 is, it just doesn't compare to those two.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on March 02, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
I just cannot understand that one, Rondo and Bloodlines are just so much better, as good as SC4 is, it just doesn't compare to those two.

Pretty much.  Opinions and all that but this is kind of baffling.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 02, 2014, 06:35:32 PM
I just cannot understand that one, Rondo and Bloodlines are just so much better, as good as SC4 is, it just doesn't compare to those two.

Pretty much.  Opinions and all that but this is kind of baffling.

Morris got too much shoulder.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 03, 2014, 02:57:37 AM
OMG!?!?!  No Ys Book I&II mention?  Who cares about Super Metroid, that POS wouldn't be in my top thousand!!

LOL, I really enjoyed this episode.  Great job on editing Joe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on March 03, 2014, 05:33:24 AM
 :clap: Congrats on the 100th ep. A somewhat surprising one I must add.

You should make more top lists episodes, many of us are curious as to what your picks for every system are.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 04, 2014, 02:50:33 AM
great episode and congrats for the 100st :)

also that Cast IV had a great joke, which I respect..no I didn't mean the altered beast dude in there, I mean the whole game in there as the #1 :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on March 04, 2014, 04:23:31 AM
congrats on the 100th episode. I think you guys should do a top 10 32 bit games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on March 05, 2014, 03:42:36 AM
I'm going to join the vocal minority here and say I do like SC4 more than Rondo. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I could never seem to get past the 2nd stage of Rondo. It seems like it's just a touch too hard, and I get sick of playing the same level again and again.

In SC4 I've almost gotten to the end, and I really enjoy it. The atmosphere, the music, (same guy who did Axelay and then vanished off the face of the Earth) the experience as a whole, really.

That's not to say I don't like Rondo. What little I've experienced so far I have greatly enjoyed, and I acknowledge that I probably need to just give it another good try. But yeah, at the present, I'd rank SC4 above Rondo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 05, 2014, 05:10:57 AM
Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I could never seem to get past the 2nd stage of Rondo. It seems like it's just a touch too hard, and I get sick of playing the same level again and again.
Rondo can be a bitch to play if you doesn't master using the secondary weapons. Try the stopwatch at the 2nd boss, this will give you a much better chance beating him.

As soon as you gain access to Maria as a playable character, Rondo will turn into a whole new experience for you.



I like both Rondo and SCIV.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on March 05, 2014, 05:16:10 AM
f*cking great 100th episode.  You guys really are a cut above.  Game Sack could easily be plucked off of YouTube and put on a cable network as a weekly show.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on March 05, 2014, 06:29:04 AM
I'm going to join the vocal minority here and say I do like SC4 more than Rondo. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I could never seem to get past the 2nd stage of Rondo. It seems like it's just a touch too hard, and I get sick of playing the same level again and again.

Something is horribly wrong, Rondo is one of the easier of the classic Castlevanias by far.

I'd understand having trouble with the original CV bosses boss rush + Shaft, though.  That's easily the hardest part of the game and still isn't that bad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on March 05, 2014, 08:22:24 AM
I think Rondo is a pretty challenging game.  Super Castlevania, on the other hand, is quite easy.  The only thing that kills me in that game is falling off of platforms and whatnot.  The enemies, including the bosses, are quite easy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on March 05, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
I think Rondo is a pretty challenging game.  Super Castlevania, on the other hand, is quite easy.  The only thing that kills me in that game is falling off of platforms and whatnot.  The enemies, including the bosses, are quite easy.

I too found it a little too easy, and much easier than the NES versions.  I believe I beat it the first day I had it.  I cannot say that for Castlevania I at all..  That bitch ate me alive...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperDeadite on March 05, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
Castlevania 4's bosses are truly pathetic, most of them you can stand in one spot and whip and the boss will die before you do.  You really need to force yourself to go for a no-damage run if you want to have any real fun with that turd.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 15, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 15, 2014, 10:09:43 PM

Game Sack - The Forgotten Mascots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO8dbiUKZp8#ws)


I'm about to watch this, but the concept alone has stolen my heart.

This is the sort of topic that I simply love.

UPDATE: pending...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on March 16, 2014, 11:12:40 AM
i wanna watch, but ive been boycotting since Joe said Taito doesn't make good games

you heard



...watching later tonight
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 16, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
wut
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on March 16, 2014, 12:47:52 PM
Both hating on Chibi-robo, respect points lost...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 16, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
Jeez, some people. I apologize for hurting your feelings with a friggin' game review.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on March 16, 2014, 01:22:46 PM
Ahh Croc 2, one of the finest 3D platformers I had the pleasure to play.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on March 16, 2014, 01:47:36 PM
Jeez, some people. I apologize for hurting your feelings with a friggin' game review.

Sorry sarcasm detector would have worked better if I remembered to add a ;)

Nice stuff overall, just a bit SNES/GENNY heavy but I get that...maybe you guys need a TG-16/PCE nut to break in once in a while.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on March 16, 2014, 02:54:02 PM
wut

you know what you did

heh, i was burning through your old eps while cleaning out my cartridges, and i wanna say a couple from the 8-bit era (?) had you taking shots on Taito's games, which to be fair wasn't their best time, outside of Rastan for the SMS & a few others.  i just have to bring these things up when given the opportunity, mr.  Fatal-Labyrinth-isn't-good :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on March 17, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
Nice stuff overall, just a bit SNES/GENNY heavy but I get that...maybe you guys need a TG-16/PCE nut to break in once in a while.
I hear there's this great PCE nut around these parts named Joe Redifer. Maybe he's available...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 17, 2014, 01:32:48 PM
I think Rondo is a pretty challenging game.  Super Castlevania, on the other hand, is quite easy.  The only thing that kills me in that game is falling off of platforms and whatnot.  The enemies, including the bosses, are quite easy.

happened: in the SCV4s first 35 levels it happens ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 17, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
I'm going to join the vocal minority here and say I do like SC4 more than Rondo. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I could never seem to get past the 2nd stage of Rondo. It seems like it's just a touch too hard, and I get sick of playing the same level again and again.

In SC4 I've almost gotten to the end, and I really enjoy it. The atmosphere, the music, (same guy who did Axelay and then vanished off the face of the Earth) the experience as a whole, really.

That's not to say I don't like Rondo. What little I've experienced so far I have greatly enjoyed, and I acknowledge that I probably need to just give it another good try. But yeah, at the present, I'd rank SC4 above Rondo.

yeah you better do that. if it helps, you can rescue/unlock "maria" in the 2nd stage, which makes the game unbelievable more easy.

and lol @ judging such an ubergreat game by its moderate difficulty level just because you suck at it :P

protip: there ain't much very easy games on the pce. so maybe you have to take it into condsierations to change the system as well? ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 17, 2014, 02:09:43 PM
Another great episode guys, keep them coming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 17, 2014, 07:24:53 PM
happened: in the SCV4s first 35 levels it happens ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

True but in the last 6,336 levels stuff happens. 1 level = 2 columns of BG tiles BTW.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on March 18, 2014, 06:44:49 AM
Yet another entertaining ep. Keep up the good work
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on March 18, 2014, 08:00:53 AM
Good ep. How convenient of you to forget about that mascot
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on March 19, 2014, 03:59:08 AM
I'm going to join the vocal minority here and say I do like SC4 more than Rondo. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I could never seem to get past the 2nd stage of Rondo. It seems like it's just a touch too hard, and I get sick of playing the same level again and again.

In SC4 I've almost gotten to the end, and I really enjoy it. The atmosphere, the music, (same guy who did Axelay and then vanished off the face of the Earth) the experience as a whole, really.

That's not to say I don't like Rondo. What little I've experienced so far I have greatly enjoyed, and I acknowledge that I probably need to just give it another good try. But yeah, at the present, I'd rank SC4 above Rondo.

yeah you better do that. if it helps, you can rescue/unlock "maria" in the 2nd stage, which makes the game unbelievable more easy.

and lol @ judging such an ubergreat game by its moderate difficulty level just because you suck at it :P

protip: there ain't much very easy games on the pce. so maybe you have to take it into condsierations to change the system as well? ;)

Whatever you say, dude. I recognize and bow before your insane mastery. Me, I play for the fun, only really going into completionism unless I really, REALLY enjoy the game. Blame it on my aspergers. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on March 19, 2014, 12:44:03 PM

protip: The Swissler is angry at your in-completion - You must obey harder. 

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 19, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
:lol:

btw. I blame nobody on nothing here :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 29, 2014, 09:41:16 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on March 30, 2014, 09:00:48 AM
Great Ep. I love the Playstation. It has a special place in my heart, as it was the console that stopped me from going outside and playing football, to sitting in my room playing RPGs
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on March 30, 2014, 11:14:39 AM
Curious,  how different is the Saturn version of Herc's Adventure than the ps1 version?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 30, 2014, 11:52:53 AM
Still remember having so much fun watching my big bro playing Metal Gear Solid. When the Playstation came out, I remember wanting to play it so desperately and constantly getting rejected, cuz bro is a butt. lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 30, 2014, 08:11:38 PM
Great Ep. I love the Playstation. It has a special place in my heart, as it was the console that stopped me from going outside and playing football, to sitting in my room playing RPGs

I could see why the PS1 was the jrpg golden era before that it was a niche market in the u.s.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on March 30, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
it was a cool machine for 3D racer (especially the ridge racer serie) and all sort of great arcade and exclusive 2D ware. never could get into any other 3D except racers and yeah eventually silent hill and MGS.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 31, 2014, 01:52:33 AM
especially the ridge racer serie(s)
I only still own a handful of PS1 games: the Wipeouts, R-types and the godly Rage Racer. Tight control, kick-ass tunes...total arcade driver (my top fav next to Outrun Online)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jeffhlewis on March 31, 2014, 04:06:14 AM
The PS1 is what kept me in gaming after I jumped on the day-one N64 then bailed on it a year later (that thing has been banished to my storage closet for eternity).

Around '97 or '98 was a golden time for PS1 game buying - a lot of the good JRPG's were discounted to the $20 or so range and you could load up on 2 or 3 classic JRPGs, fighters or racers for the price of a normal new game. I remember getting Suikoden, WipeOut XL and Street Fighter Alpha 2 for like $50 together new.

Castlevania: SOTN and MGS 1 are the only games I've beaten 3+ times each. I kept going back to them every year.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 01, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
The PS1 is what kept me in gaming after I jumped on the day-one N64 then bailed on it a year later (that thing has been banished to my storage closet for eternity).

Nintendo lost my loyalty from my SNES days with the N64 by sticking with expensive carts and losing Squaresoft which jumped ship to Sony. I had read all the articles about how a CD-Rom cost 3 cents to press, plus $3-$5 for the manual and case, while Nintendo carts cost $25 to manufacture given the PCB, the chips, the caps, etc. and that the CD with its 650 MB of space (versus cart max 64 MB) provided developers all this new opportunity, etc. I had also experienced the Turbo Duo with Ys Book I & II, so put it all together, I really thought that it was a terrible decision to stick with carts and I never made the mistake of even thinking of buying the N64 - I said bye bye to the big N. *sniff* Sometimes I did think I'd like to try Super Mario 64 and then Zelda 64, but that interest waned over the years as I enjoyed my PS1 with FF 7-8, FF:Tactics, MGS, Resident Evil, Xenogears, etc. ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 01, 2014, 09:59:47 PM
btw. my PSX shewties  :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/532233_10202289996505165_1512473650_n.jpg)

but just got three more the other day :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 01, 2014, 10:17:59 PM
I have Einhander from Squaresoft and Elemental Gearbolt from Working Designs, do those count as shooters ? ;) Just two... Guess I mostly concentrated on RPGs with my Playstation. Wanted that Raiden project though also after seeing a friend play it at his house, but never ran into a chance to buy it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 02, 2014, 12:02:54 AM
einhänder of course. EG is a light gun rail shooter :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on April 02, 2014, 07:15:03 AM
Einhander is awesome.  Square will never make a game like that again.  I don't care what others say, I will always like Einhander.  Also, Philosoma was the reason I bought a PSX when I saw the import version before sony launched in the states.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on April 02, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
I'm not sure which I liked better... The actual review, or the console porn skit at the end lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on April 03, 2014, 02:21:16 PM
I loved Jet Moto and Cool Boarders 2 on ps1... Man we played the crap out of those games.  Oh and the first Gran Turismo... That was always good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 03, 2014, 06:50:53 PM
GT was boring as hell, unless you played it like 25hrs on "boring mode" until you get some better and faster tools..lol.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 04, 2014, 01:25:59 PM
Man I am way behind on my Game Sack. I lost my bookmark to this thread too. Starting with Top Ten 16-Bit Games and moving forward. Missed you guys! Just been too busy with MGC and the wedding.

I was really moved by your 100th episode flashback of the past couple years by the way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 04, 2014, 01:54:45 PM
Laughed my ass off at the "special guest" in Super Castlevania IV!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on April 05, 2014, 07:23:46 AM
BIO HAZARD was the game that made me stay with the PSX. My first game was Street Fighter Zero (yeah I saw the BIO commercial in it) and it is also my favorite Street Fighter game (even with SF2 with countless upgrades still being popular in arcades).
Another game that was pretty good was Tomba! 2. One of the best 3D platformers IMO. My copy was NTSC-J, so I really didn't understand what was going on, but I got surprisingly far (to the palace level). For those who are not familiar with the game, it is a 2.5D world where you can do various quests and secrets. Due to the nature of the game and the Japanese language I would get obsessed with it, I remember getting real sad when I lost my copy. But I really didn't knew that there was an US version of the game and I wasn't able to play it even though I had a chip to play imports. One day I will track it down and finish it.

Today I only play some of my favorite ones on PS3: Resident Evil 1~3, Dino Crisis 1~2, Silent Hill, Alone in the Dark, Parasite Eve 2 (I'm not much of a fan of RPG games so I didn't got interested in the first one), all from PSN, and Alien Trilogy (disc). Also I would like to revisit Die Hard Trilogy, Need for Speed Hot Pursuit, and others that I can't recall right now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 05, 2014, 02:24:18 PM
Ore Tomba was made by Fujiwara Tokuro, the creator of makaimura, daimkakaimura, cho makaimura, demons blazon, commando etc. he also later was the general producer of bio hazard.
Ore Tomba was his first game under his own new founded company called whoopee camp, right after he left Capcom after over a decade of service. he also created pooyan, when he still worked for konami.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrWunderful on April 07, 2014, 12:27:22 PM
Hey Joe, still a newb to this site so I didn't know you were a mod here.

Love the videos from you and Dave (i have watched all of them).

Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to do all of the videos.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 08, 2014, 08:52:32 AM
Thanks! "Mod" is stretching it, though. I don't do much. The forum generally polices itself. I occasionally approve new members. I've tried having other people become mods but no dice from the admin who does such things for some reason.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IrishNinja on April 11, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
the PSX one was great, now i wanna track down Ghost in the Shell.  also with a friend breaking into YT video stuff & editing, i gotta say, Joe's experience really shines with the production quality of these (ever since quite early on), really well done overall.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on April 11, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
You know what game I think it is underrated? Brahma Force/Beltlogger 9 by Jaleco. The devs (I don't recall the name now) really outdid themselves in this robot game considering their previous (shitty) mech games. I'm not saying that it is a classic/must buy but it is pretty fun for what it is.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 12, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 13, 2014, 02:50:25 AM
this was one great ep. with lots of great obey (but also some nobey) inside :)

lol @ the pronunciations :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on April 13, 2014, 05:46:58 AM
This episode makes you realize there were some really colorful PC Engine games that by all rights should have been released here. A nice episode never the less.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 13, 2014, 09:13:56 AM
Nice, I love Super tempo
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on April 13, 2014, 10:18:50 AM
Joe, has Aaron ever mentioned to you what his thoughts were about Game Sack?  I figured with him being a video/camera guy he would've given you some feedback. (not that you need it)  Just curious.  I have thuroughly enjoyed watching all your episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 13, 2014, 11:11:03 AM
.....why does Super Tempo have to be so expensive? Eff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 13, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
There is an English walkthrough/guide which takes the guess work out of playing through Legend of Xanadu II.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on April 19, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
.....why does Super Tempo have to be so expensive? Eff.
Heh, good to know I'm not the only one who looks up all the episode's games for sale after I'm done watching it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 19, 2014, 06:39:20 PM
.....why does Super Tempo have to be so expensive? Eff.
Heh, good to know I'm not the only one who looks up all the episode's games for sale after I'm done watching it.

I look up the games that look good to eat, crunch crunch crunch.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on April 19, 2014, 07:30:32 PM
Looks like ill have to get a super nintendo everdrive soon. Also need to pick up xanadu II
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 20, 2014, 12:37:59 AM
Looks like ill have to get a super nintendo everdrive soon. Also need to pick up xanadu II

There is a group buy attempt you can get in on going on right now.

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=16576.0
http://shop.retrogate.com/SD2SNES-SD2SNES.htm

You'd save $35 dollars with the needed cartridge shell. I'm still waiting to here from krik, see if he'll come down to $160 for it with 10+ buys though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 20, 2014, 06:09:49 AM
no easter edition? cumon gamesack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on April 20, 2014, 10:09:19 AM
Looks like ill have to get a super nintendo everdrive soon. Also need to pick up xanadu II

There is a group buy attempt you can get in on going on right now.

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=16576.0
http://shop.retrogate.com/SD2SNES-SD2SNES.htm

You'd save $35 dollars with the needed cartridge shell. I'm still waiting to here from krik, see if he'll come down to $160 for it with 10+ buys though.


Yeah, i wanted to get in on this but i don't have the extra cash right now
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 26, 2014, 08:44:38 PM

Remember it's loading times are so long that you can make a sandwich until then  :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 27, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
Great episode! Why no "Blue's Journey," though?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on April 27, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
Nice EP...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 27, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
I did not have Blue's Journey on CD. Don't worry he'll feature in an episode really soon. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 27, 2014, 03:16:56 PM
I did not have Blue's Journey on CD. Don't worry he'll feature in an episode really soon. :)

I should have bought that game on AES back when it wasn't $50+
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on April 27, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
cool ep, altough the NG-CD sucks big duck dicks in hell  :twisted: :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 27, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
I did not have Blue's Journey on CD. Don't worry he'll feature in an episode really soon. :)

*hugs*

*thinks about how Joe would look absolutely darling if he shaved*

cool ep, altough the NG-CD sucks big duck dicks in hell  :twisted: :wink:

Someone needs more beej in his life. mewmewmew :3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on April 27, 2014, 10:44:55 PM
The NG-CD doesn't suck at all... that's how you could start Neo Geo homebrew if you were so inclined.

Also, good ep, Joe & Dave, though since I am quite indifferent about fighters (hence no loading qualms), I thought your ep could have used more shooters, etc.   Especially since the NG versions have remixed/ remastered music, eg: Last Resort, Pulstar, Sonic Wings 2, etc.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 28, 2014, 04:30:18 AM
Haven't tried the CD version of Last Resort. Did try Sonic Wings and was bored to tears. Sooo average.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on April 28, 2014, 06:08:26 AM
Joe,  I'm new to this forum and it's so cool to see you are on here.  My friends and I have a small youtube channel and can relate to the time that goes into making these episodes.  Your guys' show is AWESOME!  I love your channel and can't wait for further episodes.  I can't tell you how many games I've played and systems I've looked for because of inspiration from your show.  THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on April 28, 2014, 07:45:30 AM
I've been on the fence about getting one. But Joe and Dave just pushed me over it. I'm getting one!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 28, 2014, 11:09:48 PM
I've been on the fence about getting one. But Joe and Dave just pushed me over it. I'm getting one!

Just beware of this  :wink: Beside joe has mention last blade all ready in the review and that is one of the best fighters by snk to.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on April 29, 2014, 03:41:14 AM
^^ That top video was done by our good friend JD Norman who is one of the museum organizers at MGC.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 01, 2014, 07:02:24 PM
Am I wrong in saying that the Neo Geo CDZ doesn't have a 2X CDROM drive but a larger amount of cache and just more efficient?  I've had both top loaders and the CDZ is definitely faster but not twice as fast. 

Here's a comparison of a CDZ's load times to that of a PS1 for KOF 99.  On the PS1 it is noticeably faster especially the first round

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diBSihK56xE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRlEQPoj1Ck

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 02, 2014, 02:41:00 AM
Am I wrong in saying that the Neo Geo CDZ doesn't have a 2X CDROM drive but a larger amount of cache and just more efficient?  I've had both top loaders and the CDZ is definitely faster but not twice as fast. 

Here's a comparison of a CDZ's load times to that of a PS1 for KOF 99.  On the PS1 it is noticeably faster especially the first round

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diBSihK56xE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRlEQPoj1Ck



This is what I have heard as well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: WoodyXP on May 02, 2014, 07:43:04 AM
Am I wrong in saying that the Neo Geo CDZ doesn't have a 2X CDROM drive but a larger amount of cache and just more efficient? 

No.  You are correct.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 02, 2014, 08:20:17 AM
Am I wrong in saying that the Neo Geo CDZ doesn't have a 2X CDROM drive but a larger amount of cache and just more efficient? 

No.  You are correct.

It was bound to happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 04, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
Yeah hundreds of people have made that comment. I guess everyone in the world knows about the technical intricacies of the Neo Geo CD OR only Neo Geo fans are watching the video. Probably the latter.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on May 04, 2014, 08:37:50 AM
How could you make a mistake Joe!!!  How could you!??!   Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 04, 2014, 08:42:11 AM
I'm actually surprised the Neo Geo fans haven't been laying it on thicker. You know how those folks are.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 04, 2014, 09:25:22 AM
I'm actually surprised the Neo Geo fans haven't been laying it on thicker. You know how those folks are.

Honest mistake, just add a comment bubble and be done with it.  Your videos are extremely high quality I doubt people could really complain.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 04, 2014, 11:00:10 AM
damn game sack. it's gameover now!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on May 04, 2014, 11:43:44 AM
I'm actually surprised the Neo Geo fans haven't been laying it on thicker. You know how those folks are.

Oh just you wait. In six months or so there may be a package, probably from Eastern Europe, waiting for you on your doorstep. Don't open it!

Which reminds me there are a f*ck-ton of Neo Geo fans from all over Europe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 04, 2014, 04:10:24 PM
Honest mistake, just add a comment bubble and be done with it.

I hate those. Those are annoying. I don't think it's a tremendously important distinction anyway.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 04, 2014, 07:36:14 PM
I'm actually surprised the Neo Geo fans haven't been laying it on thicker. You know how those folks are.
Believe me there every where  :roll: Though i did link you're ngcd review over at neo-geo.com. I haven't seen any flack for you forgetting to mention the ngcdz having a bigger memory cache.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on May 05, 2014, 05:30:55 AM
I'm actually surprised the Neo Geo fans haven't been laying it on thicker. You know how those folks are.
Well, it's not like you're trash-talking about the AES at the end...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 10, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on May 11, 2014, 03:47:11 AM
Good episode. Joe's pick reminds me that I still want to pick up Nightmare Busters, but since I don't collect cardboard boxes, I went to eBay to see if any carts only have come up, which led me to find these abominations:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nightmare-Busters-/321401522896?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4ad5060ad0
http://www.ebay.com/itm/nightmare-busters-snes-/181399192141?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a3c3c024d

WTF!?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on May 11, 2014, 04:33:36 AM
Good episode. Joe's pick reminds me that I still want to pick up Nightmare Busters, but since I don't collect cardboard boxes, I went to eBay to see if any carts only have come up, which led me to find these abominations:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nightmare-Busters-/321401522896?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4ad5060ad0
http://www.ebay.com/itm/nightmare-busters-snes-/181399192141?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a3c3c024d

WTF!?


Welcome to the world of f*cktard Nintendo collecting.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 11, 2014, 05:46:00 AM
this makes one so sick.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 11, 2014, 08:03:45 AM
It's a $70 game.  For that I may consider it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on May 11, 2014, 08:18:46 AM
Great episode! I love the random game idea, it's always nice to see variety in your episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 11, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
Great episode! Thanks for covering Blue's Journey/Raguy! That game is super fun!

*hugs*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 11, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
btw. yeah, funny EP that was :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bernie on May 11, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
I will stick with roms....  :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on May 17, 2014, 05:34:49 AM
Great episode! I support this Random Episode idea. Heck, with a name like Game Sack, it works. It's like stuff you've randomly pulled from the sack. :laugh:

I remember playing Blue's Journey way back in the day at an arcade that had a whole wall of Neo Geo units. I don't think I spent much time before hopping back over for some more Bust-A-Move Again though. Anyone know if they ever released it on Neo Geo CD?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 17, 2014, 08:26:31 AM
It was on the Neo Geo CD, yes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 24, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on May 25, 2014, 02:27:26 AM
Dave wa SHOCK!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on May 25, 2014, 02:51:43 AM
Another same name different game by another Joe!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 25, 2014, 12:26:27 PM
Gernersers Allerdin ftw.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on May 26, 2014, 03:47:02 AM
That was very interesting, especially that bit on Aladdin.... huh.

Another great example of same name different game would be Shadowrun on SNES and Genesis. On the SNES it's a point and click RPG. On the Genesis it looks much more like an action RPG. (I haven't played that one myself.)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: WoodyXP on May 26, 2014, 05:31:52 AM
(I haven't played that one myself.)

It kicks ass, though the hacking can become a drag after a bit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on May 26, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
Another great episode!  I loved the ending bit. :)

I'm pretty sure you've mentioned it in a previous episode, but you could show off PCE Batman and any other Batman from that time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 31, 2014, 03:35:11 PM
Another great episode.  I genuinely look forward to these episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 07, 2014, 09:00:41 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 08, 2014, 11:16:52 AM
Suffering insomnia, I watched the 3DO episode at 3:00 am. I was hoping they would mention that weird soccer platformer...no, no I wasn't.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on June 08, 2014, 11:29:30 AM
Always glad to see Star Control 2 coverage.... man I played the crap out of that game as a kid (on DOS, not 3DO though)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 08, 2014, 11:32:20 AM
Soccer Kid? I hate that game in pretty much any incarnation it's ever been in (like Marko's Magic Futbol or whatever). The controls are HIDEOUS especially the 3DO version. I tried to play it for this episode but it was just so bad that I quickly moved on to something else instead.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 08, 2014, 01:22:11 PM
The only 3DO game shown that truly looked decent to me was Lucienne's Quest....until I discovered its price. Meh. Don't think I'll be getting a 3DO anytime soon, if ever. :3

*purrrs*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 08, 2014, 01:39:30 PM

Soccer Kid? I hate that game in pretty much any incarnation it's ever been in (like Marko's Magic Futbol or whatever). The controls are HIDEOUS especially the 3DO version. I tried to play it for this episode but it was just so bad that I quickly moved on to something else instead.

Hahahahaha. Yeah, I had blocked "Soccer Kid" from my memory. I was viewer 301 for the video. I really enjoyed hearing about both of you purchasing 3DO at (or shortly after) launch. As a kid with no money, I thought paying $300 for a floor model TG-CD was a huge risk (and exorbitant cost), so the 3DO was mind-boggling to me at the time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Phase on June 08, 2014, 05:51:26 PM
Nice episode on the 3do, I got a Goldstar 3do when they were 200.. maybe less, and got all my games used or for cheap so guess I didn't  have all the painful memories. hmm maybe a few from games that look decent then you get em home and they suck which happened a lot with the 3do and Sega CD.

Road Rash is awesome, if you like it you should try the PC version it runs silky smooth compared to 3do and not much loading time if I remember, though I haven't played it since xp. Never could get the multi player to work but I think it could support 8 player lan games when it came out on whatever was the os at the time.

Agree Burning Soldier is pretty cool but the thing that made it so fun imo is multiplayer, I could have sworn I use to play this with 4 players too. When I looked it up on the nets there is a 4 player option in the debug code so that must have been it.

Need for Speed-  :-k Hmm, your right it does look better on PS, I disagreed with you on the other thread here-partly in jest but based on what I could remember of playing the saturn version a little back in the day. Still my points about what is cool about the 3do I'll stand by :). I'm glad you guys showed some clips of the priceless dude, that guy needs an award for being awesome. If you want the game to feel a bit faster you can try the faster cars code.  People must try a few of the codes in this game, car launching, faster cars, race vs rocket scooter, and if you like inside view there is no dash board view code so you can see more of the game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 08, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
I still have a CIB Panasonic FZ-1 with about 50+ CIB games (plus few hibaihin/demos), and I'm not even a fan of the system.. hehe ^^"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 08, 2014, 07:43:18 PM
I still have a CIB Panasonic FZ-1 with about 50+ CIB games (plus few hibaihin/demos), and I'm not even a fan of the system.. hehe ^^"

*tickles*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SmaMan on June 09, 2014, 03:54:29 AM
Huh, I'm genuinely surprised the 3DO had that many good games. Maybe I'm just mentally filing it along with the Jaguar in 32-bit systems that sucked.

And hey, it has a version of Street Fighter II, which means I'm cursed to own it myself one day anyhow.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 09, 2014, 01:00:01 PM
it also has a samurai showdown and puzzle bobble and few other great JPN arcade games. but still only very few compared to what great stuff the PS1 and SS got later on.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 09, 2014, 01:12:21 PM
We would have covered Samurai Shodown and Puzzle Bobble if we hadn't done those on the Neo Geo CD so recently.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 09, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
We would have covered Samurai Shodown and Puzzle Bobble if we hadn't done those on the Neo Geo CD so recently.

I wonder do you mingle with the rest of the Comunity or do you keep it mostly with I. This one thread?


Btw smashing good job with another seller review....


Sadly this is one system I am still not convinced to collect for....maybe because the justice doesn't seem worth the squeez.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 09, 2014, 01:41:50 PM
We would have covered Samurai Shodown and Puzzle Bobble if we hadn't done those on the Neo Geo CD so recently.

I wonder do you mingle with the rest of the Comunity or do you keep it mostly with I. This one thread?

Well he has  7523 posts and there's only 1485 total posts in this thread alone

PS.
Are you related to RegalSin?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 09, 2014, 01:49:24 PM
We would have covered Samurai Shodown and Puzzle Bobble if we hadn't done those on the Neo Geo CD so recently.

I wonder do you mingle with the rest of the Comunity or do you keep it mostly with I. This one thread?

Well he has  7523 posts and there's only 1485 total posts in this thread alone

PS.
Are you related to RegalSin?


No I am not......


I also noticed he is a mod, but keep in mind I only knew of him previously through his YouTube channel prior to my joining this forum


Similarly how I was a fan of (will botch his sn) spida1a?  And his turbo reviews....


Whose I doubt does much in these forums these days...

In fact his reviews are what really peaked my interst in the system and library of games...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on June 10, 2014, 07:45:15 AM
another great episode.

Most of the good games were available on the other consoles, so the 3DO is not worth picking it up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 10, 2014, 01:53:14 PM
I remember buying a 3D0 from EB for $50 and a bunch of used games.  I liked the system, played the shit outa Alone in the Dark and Out of This World.  I was hoping you would cover Doom and how bad it was.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: reson8er on June 11, 2014, 10:05:53 AM
Just wanted to come in this thread and thank Joe (and Dave) for the videos, I watch and rewatch them all the time.

I figured this is a good place to show my appreciation. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on June 11, 2014, 02:31:23 PM
Whoa, the 3DO is mainstream now! What a cool console? Now I just have to have one. I'm going to collect all the games for it, all the games! Two sets! One sealed, and one that I might play when I'm done playing Pokemon. Is anyone selling Dino Park Tycoon and Lucienne's Quest? Preferably mint, brand new, opened to make sure it's there, resealed, and VGA graded. Thanks!



Just kidding. I still am not going to buy a 3DO, but nice video anyway, Joe & Dave!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on June 12, 2014, 01:25:59 AM
Theres dino park tycoon for 3do?  I played that as a kid on pc.... Not that good of a game but I do remember it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on June 12, 2014, 05:02:26 AM
Theres dino park tycoon for 3do?  I played that as a kid on pc.... Not that good of a game but I do remember it.
But games on 3do have a different scale...crap games on the 'do become average games. It's like grading on a curve.

Now that 3do had it's 38 minutes of fame, Punk has high hopes for a 3 part CDi review.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 12, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
CDi
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on June 13, 2014, 04:52:43 PM
CDi
and cover Dark Castle and the Flowers of Robert Maplethorpe
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 21, 2014, 07:22:47 PM
Joe&Dave Retron 5 review is up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on June 21, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
Awesome video, guys.

Sorry if this was answered before (and if it was, please point me in the right direction) but how do you guys record RGB video directly?  I don't think it's possible with the Elgato I use.  I'd love to record how beautiful the Master System looks in RGB.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 22, 2014, 01:02:30 AM
Comment from Youtube:
Quote
Matthew Rice
In this episode: Joe reviews the Hyperkin Retron 5! Dave is there also.

 :wink:


@Joe: Thanks for another entertaining episode of GameSack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on June 22, 2014, 03:41:41 AM
Another good episode Joe.  It wasn't mentioned but how did you feel about the wireless controller?  For me playing games like Contra where I'm shooting diagnally was almost impossible with that thumb stick.  I really wish they had stuck with a d-pad there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 22, 2014, 03:46:54 AM
lol retron5. ok start watching nao.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 22, 2014, 05:09:22 AM
Awesome ep guys as usual! Hey you know what would be really awesome? Doing a episode on all the Kingdom Hearts games. There are so many of them and it would definitely attract girl gamers to the show, also My wife is telling me that what she wants for her birthday is for Games sack to do an ep on all of the Kingdom hearts games.  She is also telling me that she wants a birthday greeting from Joe on the show but I told her it would not be good form to ask for this, unless I was willing to donate some games.  So what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 22, 2014, 07:12:22 AM
Amazing honest review.  I hope they make changes!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 22, 2014, 09:16:38 AM
Another good episode Joe.  It wasn't mentioned but how did you feel about the wireless controller?  For me playing games like Contra where I'm shooting diagnally was almost impossible with that thumb stick.  I really wish they had stuck with a d-pad there.

I didn't use their controller much since it let me use the real ones, but when I did use it I didn't like it. It feels really cheap and the thumbstick just kind of wiggles around if you don't touch it.

Quote from: BigusSchmuck
Hey you know what would be really awesome? Doing a episode on all the Kingdom Hearts games.
Well I picked up Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 for the PS2 a few weeks ago so you never know!

Quote from: BigusSchmuck
She is also telling me that she wants a birthday greeting from Joe on the show
If we did that then everyone would want us to say stuff on the show. Maybe a private video greeting.[/quote]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on June 22, 2014, 09:49:45 AM
Awesome video, guys.

Sorry if this was answered before (and if it was, please point me in the right direction) but how do you guys record RGB video directly?  I don't think it's possible with the Elgato I use.  I'd love to record how beautiful the Master System looks in RGB.

Joe pls =[
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 22, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
Great episode! I will definitely wait to get a Retron 5.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 22, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
Recording RGB is very complicated. It goes through and XPC-4 which is a little bitch that must be adjusted on a per-console basis and you have to manually input the settings each time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: futureman2000 on June 22, 2014, 01:21:10 PM
Great episode as always. I wonder why Hyperkin chose  that joystick for the controller?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 22, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
Recording RGB is very complicated. It goes through and XPC-4 which is a little bitch that must be adjusted on a per-console basis and you have to manually input the settings each time.

Blah blah blah.  It's done with magic is what I heard....


Okay people if you say "I o believe in gamesack I do I DO!" magic will happen...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on June 22, 2014, 07:59:41 PM
Recording RGB is very complicated. It goes through and XPC-4 which is a little bitch that must be adjusted on a per-console basis and you have to manually input the settings each time.

Guess I'll stick to S-video and component for now.  Thanks for the reply, though!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on June 23, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
Maybe a private video greeting meating.

Fixed.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 23, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Maybe a private video greeting meating.

Fixed.  :twisted:

Just make sure it is the right video.

Dont need any leaked sex tapes. (Like the upcoming film of same name)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 23, 2014, 12:43:17 PM
Maybe a private video greeting meating.

Fixed.  :twisted:
No flogging the dolphin on my watch.
Another good episode Joe.  It wasn't mentioned but how did you feel about the wireless controller?  For me playing games like Contra where I'm shooting diagnally was almost impossible with that thumb stick.  I really wish they had stuck with a d-pad there.

I didn't use their controller much since it let me use the real ones, but when I did use it I didn't like it. It feels really cheap and the thumbstick just kind of wiggles around if you don't touch it.

Quote from: BigusSchmuck
Hey you know what would be really awesome? Doing a episode on all the Kingdom Hearts games.
Well I picked up Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 for the PS2 a few weeks ago so you never know!

Quote from: BigusSchmuck
She is also telling me that she wants a birthday greeting from Joe on the show
If we did that then everyone would want us to say stuff on the show. Maybe a private video greeting.
[/quote]
Cool beans. Like I said, there are a ton of Kingdom Hearts games not to mention remixes and remakes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: reson8er on June 24, 2014, 06:03:17 AM
You guys basically affirmed my hesitation when thinking of getting the R5.  I wanted to get it for my SNES (Actual system is in the closet and missing a power supply & really badly oxidized) I thought if the emulation was as good as they were advertising I would pick up an R5 as a space saving solution. However I see that its not for me, as you said the system is just not there yet, and its better to just get real hardware. Sigh, maybe the Retron 6 will add Turbo support and fix the issues  :roll:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on June 24, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
So, if I wasn't interested in the Retron 5 anyway, I have no need to watch this episode, right? Right?

Sigh. *click*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 24, 2014, 07:28:33 AM
I dont' know

for what it is

what it provides

and the over all presentation

It seems like a good alternitive.

I just wish the plastic used was not so cheap looking

I also wish the pack in controller didn't have it's own (semi pointless) dockign station as it makes the system look unessacaraly enlongated.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on June 24, 2014, 08:29:22 AM
I dont' know

for what it is

what it provides

and the over all presentation

It seems like a good alternitive.

I just wish the plastic used was not so cheap looking

I also wish the pack in controller didn't have it's own (semi pointless) dockign station as it makes the system look unessacaraly enlongated.

lol the way you spaced that i thought i was going to get a poem, so i read with a weird inflection
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 24, 2014, 05:28:10 PM
I dont' know

for what it is

what it provides

and the over all presentation

It seems like a good alternitive.

I just wish the plastic used was not so cheap looking

I also wish the pack in controller didn't have it's own (semi pointless) dockign station as it makes the system look unessacaraly enlongated.

lol the way you spaced that i thought i was going to get a poem, so i read with a weird inflection

Hahaha. The more posts of his I read the more I want him to stop using his phone. :3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 24, 2014, 06:04:10 PM
I dont' know

for what it is

what it provides

and the over all presentation

It seems like a good alternitive.

I just wish the plastic used was not so cheap looking

I also wish the pack in controller didn't have it's own (semi pointless) dockign station as it makes the system look unessacaraly enlongated.

lol the way you spaced that i thought i was going to get a poem, so i read with a weird inflection

Hahaha. The more posts of his I read the more I want him to stop using his phone. :3


Or iPad

NEVER!

But no really I should invest in a Bluetooth keyboard for use with my iPad or something.


There is that link. Have for one that is made to look like a zx spectrum. I say make a petition to have one bought for me.  Lol. 



Do it.   


Or you will get mor poems from me lol........which was not intended to soun lyrical or poem like.  Just sorta came out like that.  Weird


Part of my posting is this:

Dyslexia
Poor spelling
Auto correct on my devices
Lazyness to fight said auto correct or edit a post


And lastly lack of tpdeoth perception which makes typing on a virtial keyboard difficult...

Best way I can descrip would be to close one eye move finger on virtial keyboard. Hoover on one key. Then close open eye and open previously closed eye

See how your figure is perceived to be in the wrong location?   


That's how my lack of depth perceptions messes with me. I am 100% guessing where my fingers will hit the keys which makes typing a pain.  Also makes press quote versus edit a pain


All that and when on my cell scroolng throughs. Quoted post to add my own comments very difficult as it gets stuck or doesn't move properly. So I end up commenting with in said quote.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on June 24, 2014, 06:08:27 PM

I dont' know

for what it is

what it provides

and the over all presentation

It seems like a good alternitive.

I just wish the plastic used was not so cheap looking

I also wish the pack in controller didn't have it's own (semi pointless) dockign station as it makes the system look unessacaraly enlongated.

lol the way you spaced that i thought i was going to get a poem, so i read with a weird inflection

Hahaha. The more posts of his I read the more I want him to stop using his phone. :3


Or iPad

NEVER!

But no really I should invest in a Bluetooth keyboard for use with my iPad or something.


There is that link. Have for one that is made to look like a zx spectrum. I say make a petition to have one bought for me.  Lol. 



Do it.   


Or you will get mor eponyms from me lol........which was not intended to soun lyrical or poem like.  Just sorta came out like that.  Weird

I understand the troubles of tryin to type on a mobile device but I'd rather get your profound poems instead :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 28, 2014, 08:06:02 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toktogul on June 28, 2014, 08:32:02 PM
i cant wait to get home to watch!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 28, 2014, 10:03:25 PM
VG for the snes is probably the worst version^^
the 1st guilty gear for ps1 is still the best of all of 'em :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toktogul on June 29, 2014, 01:00:07 AM
Very good video! thanks for the threat. It was the first time I heard a quick recap of the First few games of king of fighters! thank you!

My local shop has the VG game for PC engine for cheap, i was always wondering what that game was. I'll go get it asap!

great job once again!
can't wait for the next episode! I don't know how u guys manage to make a video a week, that last 20+ min! you guys are crazy!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 29, 2014, 01:32:23 AM
yeah def. PCE VG [x-------I--------] SNES VG
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 29, 2014, 01:56:40 AM
In your latest game sack episode you asked."whose JJ?" when spider man did his victory pose.


Not sure if you were joking or honestly asking but here is your answer.

JJ is the editor for the Daily Bugal with the mustach and cigar who hates spider man and is always asking Peter Parker for more pictures of spider man. 

JJ better known as John Jamason has gone through many changes and is important for other reasons.  Most notiably he is the father of the astronaut that spider man saves which typically is linked with the symbiotic Venom (even though the first apperance is from the secrete wars comics).  Most currently in the main comics JJ was the mayor until he resigned.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 29, 2014, 11:41:38 AM
Nice episode!

the 1st guilty gear for ps1 is still the best of all of 'em :)

I hope you're kidding. :3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toktogul on June 29, 2014, 12:09:22 PM
i played guilty geard xrd, its gonna rock the shit out of all the fighting games ever made
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on June 29, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Woo, Guilty Gear!

If you guys do another video about fighting games you should cover Flash Hiders.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on June 29, 2014, 01:23:54 PM
In your latest game sack episode you asked."whose JJ?" when spider man did his victory pose.


Not sure if you were joking or honestly asking but here is your answer.

(http://thepunkeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gamecenter_cx_11.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 29, 2014, 02:56:27 PM
Okay that was funny
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 29, 2014, 04:19:38 PM
Nice episode!

the 1st guilty gear for ps1 is still the best of all of 'em :)

I hope you're kidding. :3

certainly not. when it comes to gameplay, it's a 120% perfect game. all its successors are not.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 29, 2014, 05:49:58 PM
Nice episode!

the 1st guilty gear for ps1 is still the best of all of 'em :)

I hope you're kidding. :3

certainly not. when it comes to gameplay, it's a 120% perfect game. all its successors are not.

Have you ever played Guilty Gear X, XX, XX #Reload, XX Slash, XX Accent Core, XX Accent Core Plus, XX Accent Core Plus R? All of these are better. I'm gonna go ahead and say that either Guilty Gear Petite 1 or 2 on the Wonderswan are possibly better than Vanilla Guilty Gear, well maybe not. Still, though, man-o-manatee, c'mon now, you have to be joking.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on June 29, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
GG1 was charming in its own way; it had super swole combos, tons of infinites, and combo-ing into an instant kill was always hilarious.  I always thought of it as a proof of concept and GGX as like, the first prototype. I liked #Reload best overall though that's probably more to do with who I was and how I played games at the time rather than #R being legitimately the best game in the series.

/ felt like Guilty Gear on ice to me, it was slow and dull and most things I'd enjoyed with the earlier versions had been removed.  It's like Arc Systems Works looked at how a good portion of the XX and #R characters had such crazy combos and decided to tone most things down making the game slow and boring in the process. I was never quite sure if I liked Accent Core or not. It felt the exact opposite of / to me; instead of giving everyone homogenous and mild gameplay they gave everyone ridiculous crazy shit and then every combo ended up with ground bouncing, relaunching, wall bouncing, ground sliding nonsense combos that took too long to end so again I got bored.

The extent of my AC+R play has been beating up the local guys that fancy themselves Guilty Gear players.  There's not much of a scene for the game in Dallas these days.  Maybe it's great, I'll probably never know.  I'm Super looking forward to Xrd though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on June 30, 2014, 06:20:02 AM
Who doesn't like Marvel Super Heroes?  :?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on June 30, 2014, 04:23:13 PM
Who doesn't like Marvel Super Heroes?  :?

the game or the comix?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 30, 2014, 07:23:34 PM
stuff about GG

Played #Reload alot and it was the first GG I got my hands on. It will always have a special place in my heart. Slash is awesome, eat f*ck. lol AC felt like MUGEN fighter? lol? Too much shit. By the time AC+R rolled out to XBL and PSN I was willing to say hi. Its okay-ish, haven't put enough time into it, though. Plus (pun) netcode is shit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 30, 2014, 09:32:57 PM
Another Great video.  I am pleased with how fast these vids are coming out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 30, 2014, 09:50:27 PM

Another Great video.  I am pleased with how fast these vids are coming out.

I am pleased with your pleasure.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on June 30, 2014, 10:12:59 PM
Played #Reload alot and it was the first GG I got my hands on. It will always have a special place in my heart. Slash is awesome, eat f*ck. lol AC felt like MUGEN fighter? lol? Too much shit. By the time AC+R rolled out to XBL and PSN I was willing to say hi. Its okay-ish, haven't put enough time into it, though. Plus (pun) netcode is shit.

I don't think that Slash was bad, I just didn't like it as much as I did #R.  When I try to play Guilty Gear today I keep thinking how I vastly prefer fighting games where you can do legitimate anti air attacks against the majority of jumps.  With Guilty Gear's high aerial mobility and safe ways to get in effortlessly it kinda takes out the thing that I now like most about fighting games, mid range footsies.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on July 01, 2014, 02:52:21 AM
Who doesn't like Marvel Super Heroes?  :?

the game or the comix?
I never actually read the comics, but the video game is great!
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 01, 2014, 01:16:07 PM
I am not a big fan of fighting games, but I love watching Joe and Dave blather about them, so they must be doing something right.

Anyway, I realized that I watch Game Sack expressly for this purpose: to hear/see games that are usually outside of my purview/forte.

For example, I never heard of one of the NEOGEO CD games they profiled in this episode, that was nice (to learn about something new).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on July 01, 2014, 06:11:46 PM
Played #Reload alot and it was the first GG I got my hands on. It will always have a special place in my heart. Slash is awesome, eat f*ck. lol AC felt like MUGEN fighter? lol? Too much shit. By the time AC+R rolled out to XBL and PSN I was willing to say hi. Its okay-ish, haven't put enough time into it, though. Plus (pun) netcode is shit.

I don't think that Slash was bad, I just didn't like it as much as I did #R.  When I try to play Guilty Gear today I keep thinking how I vastly prefer fighting games where you can do legitimate anti air attacks against the majority of jumps.  With Guilty Gear's high aerial mobility and safe ways to get in effortlessly it kinda takes out the thing that I now like most about fighting games, mid range footsies.

footsies is only fun irl lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 05, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 05, 2014, 09:30:35 PM
Why no Terranigma?

Well, yeah, it was released in Japan as well, but the same went for that Firemen SNES game from the "left in Japan" episode 2, which got a European release. There are also some other games that were ported from Japan to Europe without an US release, like Parodius on the SNES. Or Trip World on the GameBoy.

So, how about a "games that never made it to the US" episode? :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on July 05, 2014, 09:36:34 PM
Excellent. Asterix on master system one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on July 05, 2014, 11:47:12 PM
I liked the bit at the end about the names.

If you guys do another Left in Europe, check out the Mega CD game The Misadventures of Flink. 

edit:...waaait, I second guessed myself and, uh, Flink came out stateside according to wikipedia and gamefaqs?  Wow, I feel unintelligent and misinformed!  My only experience with the game was a friend who had the European version and he said it never came out in the states.  ...huh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 06, 2014, 03:20:23 AM
I liked the bit at the end about the names.

If you guys do another Left in Europe, check out the Mega CD game The Misadventures of Flink. 

edit:...waaait, I second guessed myself and, uh, Flink came out stateside according to wikipedia and gamefaqs?  Wow, I feel unintelligent and misinformed!  My only experience with the game was a friend who had the European version and he said it never came out in the states.  ...huh.

It's on my short list of sega cd games to pick up.


I say add the SNES game Terinigma.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on July 06, 2014, 04:08:09 AM
"Terinigma" wut?

Anyway, cool video! I never heard of the Taz game before, and now I'm bummed I can't play it. :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 06, 2014, 04:23:51 AM
"Terinigma" wut?

Anyway, cool video! I never heard of the Taz game before, and now I'm bummed I can't play it. :(


(http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Terranigma.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on July 06, 2014, 04:41:56 AM
Yeah, Terranigma is an awesome game. I never heard of "terinigma" though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 06, 2014, 04:43:10 AM
Yeah, Terranigma is an awesome game. I never heard of "terinigma" though.

Yeah wasnt sure how to spell it. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on July 06, 2014, 06:16:09 AM

It's on my short list of sega cd games to pick up.
I guess it should be on mine too. I thought I had everything I wanted on the console, hawhaw.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 06, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
Terminaisiga was released in Japan so it would not fit in a Left in Europe episode. We made some mistakes on a couple of games in our Left in Japan series. It's funny, we get yelled at for featuring a game in Left in Japan that also came out in Europe. Then we get yelled at (a lot) for not featuring games like Termrienegma which also came out in Japan. Can't win. You just can't please everyone. Which is why we only worry about pleasing ourselves. OK that sounds kind of nasty...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 06, 2014, 11:07:21 AM
Terminaisiga was released in Japan so it would not fit in a Left in Europe episode. We made some mistakes on a couple of games in our Left in Japan series. It's funny, we get yelled at for featuring a game in Left in Japan that also came out in Europe. Then we get yelled at (a lot) for not featuring games like Termrienegma which also came out in Japan. Can't win. You just can't please everyone. Which is why we only worry about pleasing ourselves. OK that sounds kind of nasty...

I guess it would make a game like Termrienegma a "left out of America" game only lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on July 06, 2014, 11:44:47 AM
Fun episode! I have that terrible He-Man game, it's amazing! lol

Flink

There was a cart ver. that was Europe only, I believe?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on July 06, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
Terminaisiga was released in Japan so it would not fit in a Left in Europe episode. We made some mistakes on a couple of games in our Left in Japan series. It's funny, we get yelled at for featuring a game in Left in Japan that also came out in Europe. Then we get yelled at (a lot) for not featuring games like Termrienegma which also came out in Japan. Can't win. You just can't please everyone. Which is why we only worry about pleasing ourselves. OK that sounds kind of nasty...
Ignore the bitchers, Joe. They just can't handle getting gamesacked.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 06, 2014, 02:47:30 PM
Terminaisiga was released in Japan so it would not fit in a Left in Europe episode. We made some mistakes on a couple of games in our Left in Japan series. It's funny, we get yelled at for featuring a game in Left in Japan that also came out in Europe. Then we get yelled at (a lot) for not featuring games like Termrienegma which also came out in Japan. Can't win. You just can't please everyone. Which is why we only worry about pleasing ourselves. OK that sounds kind of nasty...
Ignore the bitchers, Joe. They just can't handle getting gamesacked.

IN THE FACE!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 06, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
wow, I didn't even know about that 2nd samurai game. even looks & sounds quite kewl.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on July 06, 2014, 05:13:01 PM


:(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on July 06, 2014, 05:27:17 PM
Elite PAL NES English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPmQYI4ju8#)

:(


YES!  Such an awesome game.  The fact that it's even playable on that hardware is incredible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 06, 2014, 08:26:03 PM
I liked the bit at the end about the names.

If you guys do another Left in Europe, check out the Mega CD game The Misadventures of Flink. 

edit:...waaait, I second guessed myself and, uh, Flink came out stateside according to wikipedia and gamefaqs?  Wow, I feel unintelligent and misinformed!  My only experience with the game was a friend who had the European version and he said it never came out in the states.  ...huh.
Only the cartridge version of Flink came out in europe for the sega-cd,that version came to the u.s.Game Sack did cover the sega-cd version awhile back to.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 06, 2014, 09:59:39 PM
Elite PAL NES English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPmQYI4ju8#)

:(


YES!  Such an awesome game.  The fact that it's even playable on that hardware is incredible.


it was also playable on the c64 hardware years before the NES ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on July 07, 2014, 01:23:24 AM
Elite PAL NES English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSPmQYI4ju8#)

:(


That is much how I'd imagine Wing Commander to be if it was ported to C64......
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on July 07, 2014, 06:22:17 AM
I rented elite from a video shop when i was about 10. It confused me greatly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dingsbums on July 07, 2014, 07:50:26 AM
As always - great episode  :clap:.
I remember playing the Master System version of Asterix a lot as a child  :).

Good PAL only stuff - puh there are not that many great ones  :D.

One game that would really have deserved getting mentioned:
Power Strike 2 on the Master System.

And one of the best NES / Famicom titles in my opinion:
Over Horizon (but since that got a Japan release it doesn't really count  :P)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 07, 2014, 08:39:01 AM
Unfortunately Elite only draws to about half the screen when run on NTSC hardware.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 07, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
that's interesting.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on July 07, 2014, 03:04:13 PM
Gah I almost forgot!  There's also Bloodshot/Battle Frenzy on the Mega Drive.  It might have come out in the US on the Sega Channel, but I'm pretty positive the only physical releases were European.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 13, 2014, 07:22:07 PM
"Terinigma" wut?

Anyway, cool video! I never heard of the Taz game before, and now I'm bummed I can't play it. :(


(http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Terranigma.jpg)

Great game, which goes for all of 'em in the series! For those unfamiliar, Soul Blazer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_Blazer) and Illusion of Gaia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_Gaia) came before it and it can be played via emulator fully English. Enix had closed its US subsidiary by the time the English translation was finished, so it only saw official release in Europe/Australia.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 19, 2014, 07:16:52 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on July 19, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
Really good Ep...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on July 19, 2014, 10:52:18 PM
I like the setup for this episode. Just you and an old friend talking while he mods a Turbo Duo, then a Genny 2. Nice choice. Should feature him again down the line.

Cheers. <3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on July 19, 2014, 11:44:08 PM
Still loving the sack! Great work guys.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toktogul on July 20, 2014, 12:12:25 AM
That was awesome! It's crazy how Joe kept the video at the shop for like what? 24 years. wow.

great job
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on July 20, 2014, 07:40:14 AM
Glad to see people like that still exist!  Great episode!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on July 20, 2014, 08:14:32 PM
wow, that was a surprising nice to watch ep. and that bill is one cool guy :)

did he actually already knew about the "simple" s-vid mod before peeps did find out in here?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on July 21, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
Another awesome ep. Bill is one cool dude
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 24, 2014, 03:49:59 PM
did he [Bill] actually already knew about the "simple" s-vid mod before peeps did find out in here?

I just watched the episode and I wondered about that. He used a 100 Ohm resistor instead of the 220 Ohm that everyone here (steve included) thought was just about proper. Thus, the Luma/Y is more bright out of Bill's S-Video mod for Joe's friend (Dave). Bill speaks of the capacitor maps online, and I only know of RedGhost's that come from here, so yeah, I wonder. He credits only console5.com for things.

Not a great job though, to be honest; he just soldered a bent-up transistor right on pin 40 of the 6260 video chip, didn't use a new PCB to solder all components on instead, resistor and capacitor included, etc. Not exactly how I would want it done, but yeah. To be fair, a pro like steve does things like that too. No shortcuts with the cap replacement work certainly, that was fine.

Anyway, other than that, it was a great episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 25, 2014, 08:08:18 AM
did he [Bill] actually already knew about the "simple" s-vid mod before peeps did find out in here?

I just watched the episode and I wondered about that. He used a 100 Ohm resistor instead of the 220 Ohm that everyone here (steve included) thought was just about proper. Thus, the Luma/Y is more bright out of Bill's S-Video mod for Joe's friend (Dave). Bill speaks of the capacitor maps online, and I only know of RedGhost's that come from here, so yeah, I wonder. He credits only console5.com for things.

Not a great job though, to be honest; he just soldered a bent-up transistor right on pin 40 of the 6260 video chip, didn't use a new PCB to solder all components on instead, resistor and capacitor included, etc. Not exactly how I would want it done, but yeah. To be fair, a pro like steve does things like that too. No shortcuts with the cap replacement work certainly, that was fine.

Anyway, other than that, it was a great episode.

I like it when people pick apart techniques on modding. Not in a bad way or anything. Its just interesting to see how diffrent people would tackle something in a new way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: johnnymad on July 26, 2014, 06:22:07 AM
Loved the last episode. I have a small electronics background but I'm always impressed when someone can work on a project and still hold a conversation. I can barely stand having the tv on when I'm working on something.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on July 27, 2014, 09:15:14 AM
Great episode, Joe.  And I loved you telling that commenter where to stick his HDMI cable.  Tool.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: imparanoic on July 30, 2014, 03:34:23 PM
it would be nice to see a gamesack episode - new 'left in japan'  showing official accessories and controllers which most people in the west has never seen

etc, hori controllers - such as the Hori Super Robot Wars Controller and hori gamecube controller

para para paradise controller and densha de go shinkansen controller

even the super rare megadrive AX-1E analog controller

or even the Japanese only pachinko or mah jong controllers
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 30, 2014, 07:13:03 PM
it would be nice to see a gamesack episode - new 'left in japan'  showing official accessories and controllers which most people in the west has never seen

etc, hori controllers - such as the Hori Super Robot Wars Con
it would be nice to see a gamesack episode - new 'left in japan'  showing official accessories and controllers which most people in the west has never seen
 hori gamecube controller





The hori gamecube controller was released in the u.s.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: imparanoic on July 30, 2014, 08:28:40 PM
it would be nice to see a gamesack episode - new 'left in japan'  showing official accessories and controllers which most people in the west has never seen

etc, hori controllers - such as the Hori Super Robot Wars Con
it would be nice to see a gamesack episode - new 'left in japan'  showing official accessories and controllers which most people in the west has never seen
 hori gamecube controller







The hori gamecube controller was released in the u.s.


ah yeah, thanks for reminding me, I was actually referring to the hori super Gameboy controller

http://www.ausvgc.com/index.php?topic=74.0
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 02, 2014, 08:03:03 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: spenoza on August 03, 2014, 03:10:36 AM
But... but... The Forever Man!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on August 03, 2014, 03:26:04 AM
But... but... The Forever Man!


Eh the forever man is no shadow man.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on August 03, 2014, 04:21:37 AM
But... but... The Forever Man!

it allows you to play the uber awesome chakan! it's made of pure unbelivable magic! respect is due!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on August 03, 2014, 05:49:20 AM
Off to play some Faceball on the superior OBEY Version...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on August 03, 2014, 08:06:26 AM
We all know Faceball is best played on Virtual Boy...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on August 03, 2014, 08:38:29 AM
We all know Faceball is best played on Virtual Boy...

What no Vetrex love?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on August 03, 2014, 08:41:11 AM
Vectrex doesnt give me a headache so no.... ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on August 03, 2014, 12:54:41 PM
Great episode! I remember seeing the cart for Faceball ever so often and always wondering what it was all about. Thanks for letting me know how ech it is! Yeah!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on August 03, 2014, 01:26:03 PM
Joe, at least he didn't make you play Wolfenstein.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: johnnymad on August 03, 2014, 01:43:51 PM
Great episode! I remember seeing the cart for Faceball ever so often and always wondering what it was all about. Thanks for letting me know how ech it is! Yeah!

Ha. I thought the same thing when I first saw the cart. Great episode, btw!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on August 03, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
I haven't played Faceball since I was pretty young but I recall having fun playing it with some friends one weekend.  I never got around to taking another look at it as an adult because, like every FPS game on the SNES, I was sure that it's awful.  Thanks for saving me the effort!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 03, 2014, 07:10:02 PM
But... but... The Forever Man!
Still it's better to be a batman instead of a forever man lol !
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 04, 2014, 05:34:09 AM
That Kirby Game looks beautiful, so many colors and I love Kirby so I have to look for that one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 04, 2014, 06:07:55 AM
Great episode!

I believe Chakan is pronounced like (Chak-in), not ChuKahn.  :)  I'll have to share the story about how I met the guy that created the character for Sega.  http://www.rakgraphics.com/

Also, I'm really a fan of the Faceball game on SNES, however it doesn't hold a candle to the 4 player simultaneous Turbo version!!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on August 04, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
That Kirby Game looks beautiful, so many colors and I love Kirby so I have to look for that one.

You can also get ut on the wii. It was released similarly to the SNES Mario all stars on disk for the Wii 

Unlike the all stars mario game you can find it for $14 buck uses or less which is also cheaper then the SNES kirby collection 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on August 04, 2014, 10:57:07 AM
I believe Chakan is pronounced like (Chak-in), not ChuKahn.  :)  I'll have to share the story about how I met the guy that created the character for Sega.  http://www.rakgraphics.com/


There's a bit of voice synthesis in the title screen for the game gear (master system?) version in which it's pronounced cha-Kahn.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on August 04, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
I seriously can't believe Joe hadn't played Mega Man X before!  :shock:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 05, 2014, 12:13:06 AM
I seriously can't believe Joe hadn't played Mega Man X before!  :shock:
Well he is the sega fan after all  :wink: For the longest time i never played the original either.The first time id played one in the series was,MMX4 on the saturn.Not to mention the first time id played MMX was years ago through the MMX collection on the GC.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 05, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
The first Mega Man I played was Wily's Revenge on the Game Boy. Pretty tough up to the point that I hated it. Thank god there were passwords, so I could at least take a glimpse on the boss weapons and the Dr Wily stage up to the point where you had to fight four bosses from Mega Man 2 (NES) in a row.

The first MM I've beaten a few years later was part two on the GB. It was fun!

The cheapest way to get into MM and MMX now are the two collections on the PS2, both can be had for 10 € each in unused condition. The emulations are fairly faithful and thus enjoyable, apart from MM7 and 8 on the anniversary collection. Good thing the last two are not my favorite games anyway. The collections come with both password and save features, even for MM1 which lacked passwords back in the day.
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Post by: Medic_wheat on August 05, 2014, 01:52:44 AM
The first Mega Man I played was Wily's Revenge on the Game Boy. Pretty tough up to the point that I hated it. Thank god there were passwords, so I could at least take a glimpse on the boss weapons and the Dr Wily stage up to the point where you had to fight four bosses from Mega Man 2 (NES) in a row.

The first MM I've beaten a few years later was part two on the GB. It was fun!

The cheapest way to get into MM and MMX now are the two collections on the PS2, both can be had for 10 € each in unused condition. The emulations are fairly faithful and thus enjoyable, apart from MM7 and 8 on the anniversary collection. Good thing the last two are not my favorite games anyway. The collections come with both password and save features, even for MM1 which lacked passwords back in the day.

And you can unlock lots of goodies

Thr first episode of the megaman animated show

The two arcade "beat em ups"

I want to say megaman and bass as well. 
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 05, 2014, 02:47:12 AM
Thanks for mentioning! I guess the bonus content differs slightly in the Xbox and GameCube versions. The latter one is missing the arranged soundtrack option in the anniversary collection. I guess they are also not as cheap to come by as the pretty common PS2 versions, are they?

I have been playing MMX1 at the first time on last Friday. Very tough ride after the intro stage, until you're able to find the dash and armor upgrades. I'm more familiar with the NES titles, where I like 2, 3 and 4 the most. Trying to get through 1 as well, but oh boy, the Ice Man stage isn't fun in the last part where you have to hop on top of moving platforms. Get shot and you'll be glitching through them towards the bottomless pit underneath.

GeminiLaser's Mega Man playthroughs on Youtube are very entertaining. Usually I can't stand let's Plays, but he's the one I like to watch and listen to when he is showing off some jaw-dropping skills. I want him to marry me.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 05, 2014, 03:56:28 AM
I believe Chakan is pronounced like (Chak-in), not ChuKahn.  :)  I'll have to share the story about how I met the guy that created the character for Sega.  http://www.rakgraphics.com/


There's a bit of voice synthesis in the title screen for the game gear (master system?) version in which it's pronounced cha-Kahn.


mind blown:)
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Post by: Medic_wheat on August 05, 2014, 07:54:57 AM
Thanks for mentioning! I guess the bonus content differs slightly in the Xbox and GameCube versions. The latter one is missing the arranged soundtrack option in the anniversary collection. I guess they are also not as cheap to come by as the pretty common PS2 versions, are they?

I have been playing MMX1 at the first time on last Friday. Very tough ride after the intro stage, until you're able to find the dash and armor upgrades. I'm more familiar with the NES titles, where I like 2, 3 and 4 the most. Trying to get through 1 as well, but oh boy, the Ice Man stage isn't fun in the last part where you have to hop on top of moving platforms. Get shot and you'll be glitching through them towards the bottomless pit underneath.

GeminiLaser's Mega Man playthroughs on Youtube are very entertaining. Usually I can't stand let's Plays, but he's the one I like to watch and listen to when he is showing off some jaw-dropping skills. I want him to marry me.

Can you link those let's plays?

also some people like to make the MMX games harder by NOT getting the armor upgrades unless forced by story.  Similarly with getting no E tanks or extra hearts to extend lift meter...


those people like things a littel TOO hard IMO....

I can beat the game easy enough without the armor upgrades but man no hearts to increase the life bar?...HARSH...
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Post by: Joe Redifer on August 05, 2014, 08:08:33 AM
Great episode!

I believe Chakan is pronounced like (Chak-in), not ChuKahn.  :)  I'll have to share the story about how I met the guy that created the character for Sega.


Well if they spell it Chakan we'll pronounce it as Chakan. We never said Choo-kan!
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 05, 2014, 10:20:37 AM
Can you link those let's plays?
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/user/GeminiLaser/playlists
I suggest starting with MM1 or the blooper/glitches/silly stuff videos at the end of each playlist. When I found the channel last week, it was for the glitches. Man, hilarious stuff.
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also some people like to make the MMX games harder by NOT getting the armor upgrades unless forced by story.  Similarly with getting no E tanks or extra hearts to extend lift meter...
those people like things a littel TOO hard IMO....
I can beat the game easy enough without the armor upgrades but man no hearts to increase the life bar?...HARSH...
I'm having trouble with the first Sigma stage. There's one vertical section with lots of enemies coming from above. Many of wall-jumps and easy to miss platforms, I'm only getting through using up my life bar and the upgraded rolling shield. Even then, when I'm through this and have to fight bosses, my weapons energy and lifebar is depleted enough to let me stand barehanded. Do you have any suggestions how to successfully survive that vertical section?
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Post by: Medic_wheat on August 05, 2014, 02:15:04 PM
Can you link those let's plays?
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/user/GeminiLaser/playlists
I suggest starting with MM1 or the blooper/glitches/silly stuff videos at the end of each playlist. When I found the channel last week, it was for the glitches. Man, hilarious stuff.
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also some people like to make the MMX games harder by NOT getting the armor upgrades unless forced by story.  Similarly with getting no E tanks or extra hearts to extend lift meter...
those people like things a littel TOO hard IMO....
I can beat the game easy enough without the armor upgrades but man no hearts to increase the life bar?...HARSH...
I'm having trouble with the first Sigma stage. There's one vertical section with lots of enemies coming from above. Many of wall-jumps and easy to miss platforms, I'm only getting through using up my life bar and the upgraded rolling shield. Even then, when I'm through this and have to fight bosses, my weapons energy and lifebar is depleted enough to let me stand barehanded. Do you have any suggestions how to successfully survive that vertical section?


No real trick to it sadly it is one part memorization two parts mastering the double jump air dash. 
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 05, 2014, 08:02:22 PM
There's an air dash? I thought the dash would only work on ground. I didn't know about any form of double jumping either. Thanks! I'll give it another try soon.
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Post by: TR0N on August 05, 2014, 08:08:23 PM
Can you link those let's plays?

Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/user/GeminiLaser/playlists
I suggest starting with MM1 or the blooper/glitches/silly stuff videos at the end of each playlist. When I found the channel last week, it was for the glitches. Man, hilarious stuff.
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also some people like to make the MMX games harder by NOT getting the armor upgrades unless forced by story.  Similarly with getting no E tanks or extra hearts to extend lift meter...
those people like things a littel TOO hard IMO....
I can beat the game easy enough without the armor upgrades but man no hearts to increase the life bar?...HARSH...

I'm having trouble with the first Sigma stage. There's one vertical section with lots of enemies coming from above. Many of wall-jumps and easy to miss platforms, I'm only getting through using up my life bar and the upgraded rolling shield. Even then, when I'm through this and have to fight bosses, my weapons energy and lifebar is depleted enough to let me stand barehanded. Do you have any suggestions how to successfully survive that vertical section?



No real trick to it sadly it is one part memorization two parts mastering the double jump air dash. 

Ever watch gamecenter cx ? There's a episode where arino plays mmx,it's fun watching him struggle through it.
http://www.gamingcx.com (http://www.gamingcx.com/)
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Post by: Punch on August 06, 2014, 02:01:56 AM
Game Center CX is my favorite show. Too bad Arino is getting old, I can't see it lasting for more 5 years unfortunately.
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Post by: TR0N on August 06, 2014, 07:18:20 PM
Game Center CX is my favorite show. Too bad Arino is getting old, I can't see it lasting for more 5 years unfortunately.
He's in his 40's like me you consider that old !? Though he is getting rusty at a game when he's played it before.
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Post by: Punch on August 07, 2014, 01:33:17 PM
Game Center CX is my favorite show. Too bad Arino is getting old, I can't see it lasting for more 5 years unfortunately.
He's in his 40's like me you consider that old !? Though he is getting rusty at a game when he's played it before.

I know I know, not so old but you got to consider that he's now having to wear glasses and he has slower reflexes than in previous episodes. I said 5 years not one season...
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on August 07, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
Still waiting for the CDi episode we were promised so many times
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Post by: TR0N on August 07, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
Game Center CX is my favorite show. Too bad Arino is getting old, I can't see it lasting for more 5 years unfortunately.
He's in his 40's like me you consider that old !? Though he is getting rusty at a game when he's played it before.

I know I know, not so old but you got to consider that he's now having to wear glasses and he has slower reflexes than in previous episodes. I said 5 years not one season...
Maybe after five years.I watched the one where he played,super mario land.He really did struggle to complete it and that is a easy game to.
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 07, 2014, 08:24:49 PM
Haven't seen the show yet, but is he playing on some sort of big HD TV? If yes, the lag of one of these almost ruined anything for me, when I brought my videogames to a friend who had a Samsung Full HD. Trying MM2's Bubble Man stage ended disastrous. Even with all the TV's filter options turned off, the lag was still there and not only present when playing old stuff, but also HD sources (Xbox 360) showed noticeably lag.

Love my big 'ole CRT at home, that tube never let me down.
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Post by: MrBroadway on August 08, 2014, 03:11:56 AM
Haven't seen the show yet, but is he playing on some sort of big HD TV? If yes, the lag of one of these almost ruined anything for me, when I brought my videogames to a friend who had a Samsung Full HD. Trying MM2's Bubble Man stage ended disastrous. Even with all the TV's filter options turned off, the lag was still there and not only present when playing old stuff, but also HD sources (Xbox 360) showed noticeably lag.

Love my big 'ole CRT at home, that tube never let me down.
It all depends. My Samsung LCD from 2008 had zero lag and displayed pictures nicely. Unfortunately, it died, so back to a CRT for me anyway, but just not because of lag.
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on August 08, 2014, 06:43:25 AM
Game Center CX is my favorite show. Too bad Arino is getting old, I can't see it lasting for more 5 years unfortunately.
He's in his 40's like me you consider that old !? Though he is getting rusty at a game when he's played it before.

I know I know, not so old but you got to consider that he's now having to wear glasses and he has slower reflexes than in previous episodes. I said 5 years not one season...
Maybe after five years.I watched the one where he played,super mario land.He really did struggle to complete it and that is a easy game to.
I don't think the appeal of the show is watching him play well. He's not a very good gamer. The point of the show is to watch him struggle and persevere to the end. The show is almost more about him and his personality. Even if he gets older and skills get worse I think people would still enjoy the show just the same. After all, he has the interns come in almost every episode to get through the spots he gets stuck in.
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Post by: NightWolve on August 14, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
Don't think this got posted yet, but it had me in stitches! Joe delivering some good lulz for this I think.


It's a promo for some retro gaming event that he'll be attending down in ole Texas.

"Pat the NES Punk: He has less personality than his toys!" - LOL
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Post by: geise on August 15, 2014, 12:58:12 AM
Haha!  That was good.  "He worships the devil."  "This is America, the choice is yours."
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Post by: Medic_wheat on August 15, 2014, 02:03:48 AM
Don't think this got posted yet, but it had me in stitches! Joe delivering some good lulz for this I think.

Game Sack - Retropalooza is Coming! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCybxGrl1J8#ws)

It's a promo for some retro gaming event that he'll be attending down in ole Texas.

"Pat the NES Punk: He has less personality than his toys!" - LOL


I think ill go. It is only 2 hrs away from me
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Post by: jeffhlewis on August 15, 2014, 03:50:42 AM
Don't think this got posted yet, but it had me in stitches! Joe delivering some good lulz for this I think.

Game Sack - Retropalooza is Coming! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCybxGrl1J8#ws)

It's a promo for some retro gaming event that he'll be attending down in ole Texas.

"Pat the NES Punk: He has less personality than his toys!" - LOL


CDamm (from Windy Gaming) and I will be taking the road trip of the century down to that show from Chicago. Stop by the Windy booth in the vendor hall and kick it with us!

Anybody else going?
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Post by: SmaMan on August 15, 2014, 04:45:53 AM
Ooh... this is really tempting. Not a bad price either. If so we should have some kind of pcenginefx meet up or something!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on August 15, 2014, 08:19:54 AM
You know I'm planning to make it. You need a good obey drinking buddy in Texas.
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Post by: johnnymad on August 15, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
Convention is closer to me than most. Still won't be able to make it.  ](*,)
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Post by: BlueBMW on August 15, 2014, 01:27:37 PM
If per chance I can somehow get that friday off I might be able to head down.  Looks like a 12 hour drive...  Im spoiled by the 9-10 hour drive to the Chicago conventions when I lived in Knoxville TN.  I forgot just how remote Denver is!
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Post by: TR0N on August 16, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
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Post by: Tatsujin on August 16, 2014, 10:08:12 PM
that sounds promising :D

will watch this asap.
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 16, 2014, 11:31:24 PM
*waiting for the shitstorm when PCEFX community finds out there's not a single Turbo game featured in the video*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 17, 2014, 04:45:37 AM
No PCE love? :( Well still a good episode anyway...
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Post by: Tatsujin on August 17, 2014, 05:29:04 AM
ok, watched it and missed all the super pushy obey (sapphire?) as well rendering ranger for the sfc init  :-k
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Post by: GohanX on August 17, 2014, 06:14:49 AM
Settle down, there's no way he could have put pce games in there. The PC Engine has no limitations to push, it will do exactly whatever it wants whenever it wants, and nobody can do anything about it but Obey.
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Post by: Dicer on August 17, 2014, 06:32:19 AM
No Sapphire or Coryoon love?

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Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 17, 2014, 10:55:21 AM
One NES game that really pushes the limits is the port of Prince of Persia. I'm amazed it turned out as well as it did.
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Post by: seieienbu on August 17, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
I'll be at the retro gaming convention in Arlington.  Maybe I'll see some of you guys there.

One NES game that really pushes the limits is the port of Prince of Persia. I'm amazed it turned out as well as it did.

Agreed, it was an excellent port of the original version.
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Post by: VenomMacbeth on August 17, 2014, 01:20:51 PM
I never new that Batman game was so impressive!  You should do more episodes like this, though.  I'm sure you could come up with 10/11 more limit-pushing games.
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Post by: toymachine78 on August 17, 2014, 01:44:56 PM
I never new that Batman game was so impressive!  You should do more episodes like this, though.  I'm sure you could come up with 10/11 more limit-pushing games.
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.
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Post by: johnnymad on August 17, 2014, 04:15:43 PM
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.

I really like James' Nerd character but after watching him play games on his weekly Monday series with Mike, I'm convinced that some of the games he reviews aren't that bad - he's just bad at playing them.
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Post by: toymachine78 on August 17, 2014, 04:17:51 PM
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.

I really like James' Nerd character but after watching him play games on his weekly Monday series with Mike, I'm convinced that some of the games he reviews aren't that bad - he's just bad at playing them.
I agree completely. The Splatterhouse episode is the perfect example.
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Post by: HailingTheThings on August 17, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
James plays bad on purpose for comedic effect. Maybe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on August 18, 2014, 03:14:24 AM
I LOVED this episode!  I was glad to see you guys mention Recca in there.  I about crapped my pants the first time I popped that in... I couldn't believe it was running like that on an NES.  I am surprised Metal Storm wasn't on the list but I think you guys may have mentioned that game in a previous episode (either hidden gems or the run and gun ep.)  I would love to see another episode dedicated to pushing the hardware limits.  I am also glad to see that etim board going to good use!
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Post by: Black Tiger on August 18, 2014, 04:11:04 AM
I never new that Batman game was so impressive!  You should do more episodes like this, though.  I'm sure you could come up with 10/11 more limit-pushing games.
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.

The general consensus is that it is a bad game. That doesn't mean that it isn't still impressive in other ways.
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Post by: khog143 on August 19, 2014, 05:21:31 AM
I'm probably gonna go to Retropalooza.  I live like 10 minutes away, so why not?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 19, 2014, 07:52:21 AM
I never new that Batman game was so impressive!  You should do more episodes like this, though.  I'm sure you could come up with 10/11 more limit-pushing games.
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.

The general consensus is that it is a bad game. That doesn't mean that it isn't still impressive in other ways.

Get passed the control changes and character sprite size (which is a bit big) you'll find a fantastic game.  I love it.  Not as good as Sunsoft's other NES Batman game, but still very good!

The SNES and Genesis "Revenge" of the Joker games are complete garbage tho...
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Post by: toymachine78 on August 19, 2014, 07:57:18 AM
I never new that Batman game was so impressive!  You should do more episodes like this, though.  I'm sure you could come up with 10/11 more limit-pushing games.
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.

The general consensus is that it is a bad game. That doesn't mean that it isn't still impressive in other ways.

Get passed the control changes and character sprite size (which is a bit big) you'll find a fantastic game.  I love it.  Not as good as Sunsoft's other NES Batman game, but still very good!

The SNES and Genesis "Revenge" of the Joker games are complete garbage tho...
I like batman returns on the SNES. Pretty entertaining beat em up.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 19, 2014, 08:27:42 AM
I never new that Batman game was so impressive!  You should do more episodes like this, though.  I'm sure you could come up with 10/11 more limit-pushing games.
The funny thing is that AVGN reviewed return of the joker as a shitty game.

The general consensus is that it is a bad game. That doesn't mean that it isn't still impressive in other ways.

Get passed the control changes and character sprite size (which is a bit big) you'll find a fantastic game.  I love it.  Not as good as Sunsoft's other NES Batman game, but still very good!

The SNES and Genesis "Revenge" of the Joker games are complete garbage tho...
I like batman returns on the SNES. Pretty entertaining beat em up.

I actually am kind of 'meh' about that one.  Will pop it in from time to time for the soundtrack tho...  :)
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Post by: TR0N on August 30, 2014, 07:24:24 PM
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Post by: esteban on August 30, 2014, 10:59:00 PM

Game Sack - Left in North America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQ8Jm70vB8#ws)


Hahahahaha. Great title.

Did Skitchin' make this episode?
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Post by: HailingTheThings on August 31, 2014, 11:14:29 AM

Game Sack - Left in North America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQ8Jm70vB8#ws)


Hahahahaha. Great title.

Did Skitchin' make this episode?


Nah, but dem Joes did. :3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on August 31, 2014, 02:23:46 PM

Game Sack - Left in North America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQ8Jm70vB8#ws)


Hahahahaha. Great title.

Did Skitchin' make this episode?


Nah, but dem Joes did. :3

Let's see how much the price of the lone ranger shoots up after this. To be honest though, it still looks pretty week for a Konami title.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on August 31, 2014, 05:19:07 PM
I had no idea the GI Joe title was supposed to be good. Added it to my list now, thanks! The rest seem rather mediocre, but I may keep my eyes open for that weird Bimini game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on September 03, 2014, 09:02:35 AM
Those GI Joe Games look great.
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Post by: Azzurri on September 03, 2014, 10:55:17 AM
Great job guys.

Game Sack is one of my favorite shows on YT.  I've learned so much crap I had never known thanks to Joe and Dave.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 13, 2014, 07:36:28 PM
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Post by: Azzurri on September 14, 2014, 04:17:35 AM
Another great episode guys!
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Post by: Dicer on September 14, 2014, 04:57:10 AM
No Kato/Ken vs. JJ/Jeff....for shame

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 14, 2014, 06:18:09 AM
That ending was hilarious!  :clap:
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Post by: Joe Redifer on September 14, 2014, 06:48:44 AM
No Kato/Ken vs. JJ/Jeff....for shame

We covered those differences fairly extensively in a previous episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 14, 2014, 07:18:43 AM
No Kato/Ken vs. JJ/Jeff....for shame

We covered those differences fairly extensively in a previous episode.

Cover them AGAIN...

j/k good eps...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on September 14, 2014, 07:20:51 AM
Great episode as usual. Although, you know what struck me ? Dave sounds much more relaxed, natural, and confident during his voice segments. It sounded like he was actually conversing with us rather than reading from a script.  Bravo!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on September 14, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
SCREW KONAMI OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

that's all thanks
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 14, 2014, 08:55:31 PM
I think the last comparison screens where the other way round :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on September 14, 2014, 09:15:12 PM
The infamous Bayou Billy for NES is actually much easier in its original Japanese form, called Mad City. It's not a great game, but it's not a "What were they thinking?" bad game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 14, 2014, 11:22:14 PM
yeah, came quite far in mad city the first time i've played it, until I switched it off due to boringness.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on September 15, 2014, 05:30:04 AM
We need more PC engine U.S comparisons! Like the regional differences between the bonk games. Or the Air Zonk games.. Or even Magical Chase! BTW great episode guys, just saying we need some more PC Engine/Turbo love :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on September 15, 2014, 05:57:02 AM
Ah yes good shout for probotector
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Post by: Desh on September 15, 2014, 07:18:20 AM
PSH... as usual the Japanese get the superior version of Game Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 15, 2014, 07:22:20 AM
Makes me want to buy the super famicom versons of each of the finsl fight games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 16, 2014, 12:37:39 AM
yeah, came quite far in mad city the first time i've played it, until I switched it off due to boringness.
If you were to play the nes bayou billy it would cause a rage quit  :wink:
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Post by: ccovell on September 16, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
PSH... as usual the Japanese get the superior version of Game Sack.

Well, yes, and no.  On the one hand, they kept on talking about "sipping", which isn't slang I know in any language.  On the other hand, their delivery is way more animated than those Colorado guys.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 16, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Yeah, suck got translated to sip somehow. Translated back it still said "suck" but I guess it meant in the literal term.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 16, 2014, 01:49:03 PM

yeah, came quite far in mad city the first time i've played it, until I switched it off due to boringness.
If you were to play the nes bayou billy it would cause a rage quit  :wink:

I know some of you think I'm crazy, but I beat NES Bayou Billy back in the day. I paid good money for it and I was stuck with it.

Holy crap, if I could tell you how many times I got the final boss down to a few bars and BAM! I'm dead. It was demoralizing, infuriating to get so close...

I actually liked the lightgun and driving segments. They were much better than the beat-em-up stages (some enemies took TOOOOOOOOO MANY HITS before they finally died).

I have yet to play Mad City...but I will, one of these days.  I thought I had the Famicom cart, but I haven't found it yet (still unpacking from my move 8 years ago).
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Post by: toymachine78 on September 16, 2014, 01:54:54 PM

yeah, came quite far in mad city the first time i've played it, until I switched it off due to boringness.
If you were to play the nes bayou billy it would cause a rage quit  :wink:

I know some of you think I'm crazy, but I beat NES Bayou Billy back in the day. I paid good money for it and I was stuck with it.

Holy crap, if I could tell you how many times I got the final boss down to a few bars and BAM! I'm dead. It was demoralizing, infuriating to get so close...

I actually liked the lightgun and driving segments. They were much better than the beat-em-up stages (some enemies took TOOOOOOOOO MANY HITS before they finally died).

I have yet to play Mad City...but I will, one of these days.  I thought I had the Famicom cart, but I haven't found it yet (still unpacking from my move 8 years ago).
8 Years!?! Get organized man!
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Post by: SamIAm on September 16, 2014, 02:09:45 PM

yeah, came quite far in mad city the first time i've played it, until I switched it off due to boringness.
If you were to play the nes bayou billy it would cause a rage quit  :wink:

I know some of you think I'm crazy, but I beat NES Bayou Billy back in the day. I paid good money for it and I was stuck with it.

Holy crap, if I could tell you how many times I got the final boss down to a few bars and BAM! I'm dead. It was demoralizing, infuriating to get so close...

I actually liked the lightgun and driving segments. They were much better than the beat-em-up stages (some enemies took TOOOOOOOOO MANY HITS before they finally died).

I have yet to play Mad City...but I will, one of these days.  I thought I had the Famicom cart, but I haven't found it yet (still unpacking from my move 8 years ago).

That's amazing, dude.

The main differences in the original Mad City are that the enemies take fewer hits, your guy can take more hits, I think the enemy AI is a little less aggressive, and the driving stages have wider roads.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: gj-16 on September 19, 2014, 02:51:21 AM
Joe,
I just wanted to say thanks for your show, I always look forward to a new episode.
Appreciate the work that goes into each one, and it's very entertaining.

Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 19, 2014, 11:00:24 AM

yeah, came quite far in mad city the first time i've played it, until I switched it off due to boringness.
If you were to play the nes bayou billy it would cause a rage quit  :wink:

I know some of you think I'm crazy, but I beat NES Bayou Billy back in the day. I paid good money for it and I was stuck with it.

Holy crap, if I could tell you how many times I got the final boss down to a few bars and BAM! I'm dead. It was demoralizing, infuriating to get so close...

I actually liked the lightgun and driving segments. They were much better than the beat-em-up stages (some enemies took TOOOOOOOOO MANY HITS before they finally died).

I have yet to play Mad City...but I will, one of these days.  I thought I had the Famicom cart, but I haven't found it yet (still unpacking from my move 8 years ago).

That's amazing, dude.

The main differences in the original Mad City are that the enemies take fewer hits, your guy can take more hits, I think the enemy AI is a little less aggressive, and the driving stages have wider roads.

That would certainly make the game easier—all those changes Konami made for North America...they could have just done one (or two) modifications (and it still would have been a challenge).

I also almost beat Super Pitfall (or maybe I beat it? I can't remember, but I came damn close). This was on NES with no cheats or saves or breaks...just playing the damn game. I never read a FAQ, and it was before videos...

This game could have been a really nice little game if they had tweaked it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on September 19, 2014, 01:31:22 PM
another great episode. How about an episode on "controversial" games?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: retromangia on September 20, 2014, 02:47:53 AM
Hey Joe, great show brotha man... I was thinking, how about an episode on PC-Engine only games.  I know you do left in Japan, but an episode dedicated to the pc-engine would be great. It would be great to see what you have to say about the games, showing games that are import friendly and don't require you to know Japanese.

thanks mang!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on September 20, 2014, 04:30:17 AM
Hey Joe, great show brotha man... I was thinking, how about an episode on PC-Engine only games.  I know you do left in Japan, but an episode dedicated to the pc-engine would be great. It would be great to see what you have to say about the games, showing games that are import friendly and don't require you to know Japanese.

thanks mang!

Well I did create a thread while back on this..
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14497.0
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nosorrow on September 26, 2014, 05:13:31 PM
Just wanted to let Joe know that I'm another fan of the show. I've been hooked on GameSack since I stumbled upon the Saturn show (as an aside, I must have dropped thousands on Saturn games and whatnot since then; your show has been a catalyst for rekindling my collecting flame).

Show suggestion: your shooter episodes have always been favourites of mine, especially the PC Engine and Genesis ones. Have you ever considered doing similar episodes for the DC, PS1/2 and/or 360? A MAME shooter special would also be fantastic.

Anyways, keep up the good work and looking forward to Sunday's episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 27, 2014, 08:07:40 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 28, 2014, 01:16:58 AM

Game Sack - Videogames Based on Movies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgR6gU_J0kI#ws)


Disappointed. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgsad.png) 

I'm somewhat surprised (but not really) that Joe & Dave failed to discuss the obvious Timeball/Blodia <-> Phantasm connection.

Lame.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on September 28, 2014, 03:50:12 AM
Always a great episode, always entertaining.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 28, 2014, 04:42:05 AM
I had no idea Ghostbusters on 360/PS3 was made with such talent. I'm definitely looking into getting that game now. Great episode as usual! Even have my wife getting into it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PikachuWarrior on September 28, 2014, 06:05:22 AM
I like the constant homosexual references. It's like the series is catered towards Gays!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nosorrow on September 28, 2014, 06:37:24 AM
I like the constant homosexual references. It's like the series is catered towards Gays!
What? :roll:

That Famicom Ghostbusters game looks really fun.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on September 28, 2014, 06:40:07 AM
Ignore the trolls

Totally agree with how Goldeneye hasn't aged well.  Man we had so much fun with that one back in the 90s...  So many late nights playing multiplayer or slogging through the single player.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 28, 2014, 06:58:33 AM
Wii version of Ghostbusters is the best, same premise, but with cartoony graphics, idk it just feels better.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 28, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
I like the constant homosexual references. It's like the series is catered towards Gays!
What? :roll:

That Famicom Ghostbusters game looks really fun.
Just ignore PikachuWarrior. He's a well-known troll who's trying to get a rise out of PCEFX.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on September 28, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
I like the constant homosexual references. It's like the series is catered towards Gays!


Yeap.

(http://i.imgur.com/Q8X7dQ4.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 28, 2014, 08:20:32 PM
I had no idea Ghostbusters on 360/PS3 was made with such talent. I'm definitely looking into getting that game now. Great episode as usual! Even have my wife getting into it.
Ive played,ghostbusters the video game on the PS3.It is very close to the source material that it's based on.These days the game is dirt cheap id highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 29, 2014, 02:49:18 AM
I am sure it's been said elsewhere but the back to the future game that was episodic was released on disk for the PS3 and I think Wii. 

I have the PS3 copy for $5 when I bought it used maybe 2 years ago. So you can probably find it for just as cheap or less
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on September 29, 2014, 05:18:33 AM
As always, good show Joe and Dave.  For a future movie based games episode, please include Die Hard and Addams Family to get some Turbob action involved..... even if both games are rather meh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 29, 2014, 07:46:55 AM
How do people feel about Ghostbusters on the Wii?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on September 29, 2014, 10:28:17 AM
How do people feel about Ghostbusters on the Wii?

Its a kiddy ver. of the PS3/360 game?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 29, 2014, 10:53:13 AM
How do people feel about Ghostbusters on the Wii?

It took a major graphical hit and doesn't take any advantage of the motion control.  This being from a friend's account ....

He said he bought it thinking he would beable to use the wii remote to guid the beam and catch ghost and it simply wasn't designed to use it at all so it felt like the less attractive (great personality) verson of the 3 games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Tatsujin on September 29, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
good show for sure. still many many other movie to game adaptions to go :)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 30, 2014, 06:47:14 AM

good show for sure. still many many other movie to game adaptions to go :)

Indeed. I hope Phantasm <-> Blodia make next episode with this theme.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 04, 2014, 07:54:17 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on October 05, 2014, 09:03:22 AM
Great to see that the Q&A worked out and that it has been uploaded :-)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 05, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
Totally watched this. Didn't realize how much work went into using that cool Ghost N' Goblins (reggae?) track. G'jobbes!

Also, applause are in order for dealing with Billy and Jay, (of Game Chasers fame) as I am sure they both smell absolutely dreadful.

:3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on October 05, 2014, 12:04:54 PM
Great Q & A! It was basically like watching a live episode without gameplay footage.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on October 06, 2014, 05:09:26 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m5I-ylPFjxU/VC71OZ3oxZI/AAAAAAAAErM/OXXrCy9p5Z4/w759-h569-no/IMG_20140920_125415.jpg)

Was there...who is a dedicated fan and has two thumbs? I just didn't have any questions for the Sack Duo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 06, 2014, 05:48:42 AM
Totally watched this. Didn't realize how much work went into using that cool Ghost N' Goblins (reggae?) track. G'jobbes!

Also, applause are in order for dealing with Billy and Jay, (of Game Chasers fame) as I am sure they both smell absolutely dreadful.

:3

I don't know they always look and dress like they just woke up ...slap on a wifebeater maybe a hat...with thier burping in the camera as loud as can be, and free Action 52's from "fans".......


Okay so I am jealous when youtuber's get free shit or discounted shit....... [-(


GRRRRRRRR

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 06, 2014, 08:03:14 AM
I watched an episode of game sack about their take on the jaguar, they only reviewed some carts no cd games and dissed the system completely with out try the cd games or the after market games.
I do wish some these you tubers who review the jag try more of the other games besides the first fsix games. they didn't even review doom for the jag which is the best version
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 AM
I watched an episode of game sack about their take on the jaguar, they only reviewed some carts no cd games and dissed the system completely with out try the cd games or the after market games.
I do wish some these you tubers who review the jag try more of the other games besides the first fsix games. they didn't even review doom for the jag which is the best version


I agree, they should have reviewed a wider selection of games, including CD's.

But the conclusion would have been the same: the Jag still sucks my left one.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on October 06, 2014, 08:19:12 AM
They're limited to the games (and hardware) they have available; and they did review AvP, Tempest 2000, and Wolfenstein, so it's hardly like they based their opinion on the worst it has to offer.

But I bet they would've loved the Jag, if only they'd played Blue Lightning, Highlander, and Myst!  :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 06, 2014, 08:37:09 AM
bet they would loved doom as well.
for the record the jaguar didn't kill Atari it was the reverse merger between Atari and JTS(disk drive company) that killed then they sold it to hasbro, hasbro seeing there was need for jag games,decided to make jag open market for those like songbird to produce games, then they sold Atari to infograms.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 06, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
Doom was better on PC than jagwire
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 06, 2014, 08:52:43 AM
Doom was better on PC than jagwire
but it was the best for any console and its Jaguar not jagwire.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 06, 2014, 09:01:09 AM
I watched an episode of game sack about their take on the jaguar, they only reviewed some carts no cd games and dissed the system completely with out try the cd games or the after market games.
I do wish some these you tubers who review the jag try more of the other games besides the first fsix games. they didn't even review doom for the jag which is the best version


I agree, they should have reviewed a wider selection of games, including CD's.

But the conclusion would have been the same: the Jag still sucks my left one.  (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)

Exactly -64 bit really.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 06, 2014, 09:05:34 AM
I like how people vehemently defend the jaguar like it was some mythical system full of untapped potential.
There is a reason why most people dismiss the system. And it isn't because of financial or political issues from within Atari.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrFulci on October 06, 2014, 09:27:09 AM
I like the jaguar for what I have it for; Tempest 2K, and a few other games.

I've typed it here before, it's not a system for just anyone, you have to do your homework with it. I understand why others think it sucks, but for myself, I am happy I own one, and own the games that I do have, for it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 06, 2014, 09:53:07 AM
true you have to be true follower of the atari products dating back to the 2600(which to my knowledge, is have the most homebrew games being done and still is)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 06, 2014, 10:01:20 AM
They're limited to the games (and hardware) they have available; and they did review AvP, Tempest 2000, and Wolfenstein, so it's hardly like they based their opinion on the worst it has to offer.

But I bet they would've loved the Jag, if only they'd played Blue Lightning, Highlander, and Myst!  :lol:
I rather play Myst for the Laseractive. :P
My only complaint at the panel was I couldn't hear the questions that were being asked very well. I'm still confused why Dave and Joe use Macs instead of PCS but hey whatever gets the job done.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 06, 2014, 10:02:09 AM
they use final cut, that software doesn't exist on PCs
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on October 06, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
I rather play Myst for the Laseractive. :P

baller status = one million!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 06, 2014, 10:26:31 AM

true you have to be true follower of the atari products dating back to the 2600(which to my knowledge, is have the most homebrew games being done and still is)

I still play 2600 games (KABOOM!), but I never really thought Jaguar had enough good games. I will gladly accept a Jaguar + Tempest 9000 from anyone willing to give it to me. I don't hate the Jaguar, it just has the least compelling library (yes, more 2600 games are compelling, for me).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 06, 2014, 10:45:29 AM

true you have to be true follower of the atari products dating back to the 2600(which to my knowledge, is have the most homebrew games being done and still is)

I still play 2600 games (KABOOM!), but I never really thought Jaguar had enough good games. I will gladly accept a Jaguar + Tempest 9000 from anyone willing to give it to me. I don't hate the Jaguar, it just has the least compelling library (yes, more 2600 games are compelling, for me).
Primal rage is great on the jaguar though,there are still some off market games for the jaguar out there, zero 5 protector ... curentlty there somebody working on basic compiler for the jag just like how batari basic is a compiler for he 2600.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 06, 2014, 11:51:05 AM

true you have to be true follower of the atari products dating back to the 2600(which to my knowledge, is have the most homebrew games being done and still is)

I still play 2600 games (KABOOM!), but I never really thought Jaguar had enough good games. I will gladly accept a Jaguar + Tempest 9000 from anyone willing to give it to me. I don't hate the Jaguar, it just has the least compelling library (yes, more 2600 games are compelling, for me).

Yards revenge
Berserk
missle comman
These are but a few of the gems that I still enjoy today on the old 2600
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrFulci on October 06, 2014, 01:42:49 PM

true you have to be true follower of the atari products dating back to the 2600(which to my knowledge, is have the most homebrew games being done and still is)

I still play 2600 games (KABOOM!), but I never really thought Jaguar had enough good games. I will gladly accept a Jaguar + Tempest 9000 from anyone willing to give it to me. I don't hate the Jaguar, it just has the least compelling library (yes, more 2600 games are compelling, for me).

Yards revenge
Berserk
missle comman
These are but a few of the gems that I still enjoy today on the old 2600


If I had a choice of whether to keep my 2600, or the Jaguar, it would eb an easy choice. The 2600 would stay.

Medic wheat, the 2600 had an awesome missile command "clone" of sorts, I have to look what it was called again, since I forget,.... COMMANDO RAID!

Awesome stuff. You have to kill the parachuting guys, before they build a tunnel underground to blow up your missile launcher! In some ways, I prefer it to Missile Command.

Now that I looked at those 2600 games again, I saw Frogs and Flies, Atlantis, Cosmic Ark, Boxing....

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 06, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
I love both systems. the fact is that I have owned every atari game system with exception of 5200
2600 got xmas when launched, 7800 at launch for xmas,Lynx also launch at xmas. Jaguar  afew days after launch.
I sugguest for those who have 2600 get the harmony flash cart a 4k sd card fits all 2600 games plus when the new one is out you run the new games like zippy the porcupine and many homebrews.
the 7800 is getting a flash cart as well soon.
the lynx to my knowledge doesn't have one
the Jaguar does have a flash cart called the skunkboard where you upload new games being made on to jaguar.
I own a skunk and harmony myself and loved it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 06, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Hey Dan! It's Matt from VGS/MGC. Welcome aboard!

I gotta disagree with you on Doom, brother. I think the best console version of the game resides on the PS1. Killer atmospheric (I use this word all the f*cking time) tunes and better play control won me over.

Also, I loaned Game Sack my Jag and SuperGrafx for that episode. I only sent as many games for both systems as I could fit in a large wooden shipping crate to accommodate their needs and allow them to produce the best show they could under the circumstances. You gotta admit though that they have the best stop-motion animated deconstruction of a Jaguar (and SGX) on the internet. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 06, 2014, 04:12:06 PM
Totally watched this. Didn't realize how much work went into using that cool Ghost N' Goblins (reggae?) track. G'jobbes!

Also, applause are in order for dealing with Billy and Jay, (of Game Chasers fame) as I am sure they both smell absolutely dreadful.

:3


I don't know they always look and dress like they just woke up ...slap on a wifebeater maybe a hat...with thier burping in the camera as loud as can be, and free Action 52's from "fans".......


Okay so I am jealous when youtuber's get free shit or discounted shit....... [-(


GRRRRRRRR


Yeah, they be gross, that be for sure.

And yeah, that was f*cking lame when they got those Action 52s. Felt like that guy only gave them both a copy so he'd be featured on their show. Bah.

Doom was better on PC than jagwire

but it was the best for any console and its Jaguar not jagwire.


The only good game on the JagWires:

(http://i.imgur.com/Ws0jK0P.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 06, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
I was so pumped for Trevor McFur back when my Jag was minty fresh off the assembly line. Those sexy game pics on the box and in magazines had me sliding out of my school desk. Then I got the game home from one of our trips into Indy and..."What? No music? These graphics are pretty cool but there is just something missing," I thought. I haven't played the game since the mid-90s. Maybe I should give it another go.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 06, 2014, 04:25:20 PM
That is one of the most pornographic advertisements ever made for a Jag game.

Trüe storie.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 06, 2014, 04:33:09 PM
I was so pumped for Trevor McFur back when my Jag was minty fresh off the assembly line. Those sexy game pics on the box and in magazines had me sliding out of my school desk. Then I got the game home from one of our trips into Indy and..."What? No music? These graphics are pretty cool but there is just something missing," I thought. I haven't played the game since the mid-90s. Maybe I should give it another go.


Easily fixable with theses sick riffs!


But yeah, kinda lame, some homebrewer should make this game some OMG tunes. Yeh.

PS Never owned or really plan on owning a JagguW'Eyer, but if I did, pretty sure this'd be possibly the only game I'd buy. Hah.

...maybe also raiden, idk.

That is one of the most pornographic advertisements ever made for a Jag game.

Trüe storie.


Anthropomorphic Erotica, lol.

Furries rejoice!*

*j/k plz dnt




Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mathius on October 06, 2014, 05:17:02 PM
It hosts an excellent version of Raiden with only two marks against it. The World Record for largest side-bar ever used in any videogame. And no rapid fire. It's physically one of the most uncomfortable games to play on the system. Still worth it though IMO.

The World Record joke may not be too far off actually hehe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on October 06, 2014, 07:47:51 PM
Steam Hearts on PC Engine has a pretty big sidebar too.

As far as Jaguar goes... I actually let mine go this year.  I just never played it :(  When I did it would be for games like Tempest 2000.  In truth I would rather play the trippy Tempest 3000 on Nuon though.  I even tried some of the CD games but they just didn't grab me. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrFulci on October 06, 2014, 08:03:08 PM
Steam Hearts on PC Engine has a pretty big sidebar too.

As far as Jaguar goes... I actually let mine go this year.  I just never played it :(  When I did it would be for games like Tempest 2000.  In truth I would rather play the trippy Tempest 3000 on Nuon though.  I even tried some of the CD games but they just didn't grab me.

That's a fine way to be, no reason to hold onto a system if you never play it. I let go of a gamecube, that I only had for the Gameboy player attachment, and I really only played the Gameboy color version of Shadowgate on it, hahaha. I did buy the Final Fantasy 1 and 2 cart, but instead I picked that up for the PS1, since I have the PS2 for game compilations. When I get the urge to spend days going through FF1 again, I have the CD around.

I let go of my odyssey, and Odyssey 2 systems. Same went for intellivision. Just never played them, and rather let them go to people who would enjoy them, or at least like them sitting around. I maybe should have held onto the Colecovision, but I don't miss it that much.

Less stuff taking up space.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 06, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
You gotta admit though that they have the best stop-motion animated deconstruction of a Jaguar (and SGX) on the internet. :)

Yeah, I really like Joe's video production work. Gotta make the time to watch this episode then sometime soon.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 07, 2014, 02:47:20 AM
Hey Dan! It's Matt from VGS/MGC. Welcome aboard!

I gotta disagree with you on Doom, brother. I think the best console version of the game resides on the PS1. Killer atmospheric (I use this word all the f*cking time) tunes and better play control won me over.

Also, I loaned Game Sack my Jag and SuperGrafx for that episode. I only sent as many games for both systems as I could fit in a large wooden shipping crate to accommodate their needs and allow them to produce the best show they could under the circumstances. You gotta admit though that they have the best stop-motion animated deconstruction of a Jaguar (and SGX) on the internet. :)

well of course ps1 doom was better, since the jag version was cart and ps was disc
not to mention the system was out after jag was discontinued.
but if you compare to systems in jaguars time frame that had doom(snes,32x) then it was best
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 07, 2014, 02:58:39 AM
Hey Dan! It's Matt from VGS/MGC. Welcome aboard!

I gotta disagree with you on Doom, brother. I think the best console version of the game resides on the PS1. Killer atmospheric (I use this word all the f*cking time) tunes and better play control won me over.

Also, I loaned Game Sack my Jag and SuperGrafx for that episode. I only sent as many games for both systems as I could fit in a large wooden shipping crate to accommodate their needs and allow them to produce the best show they could under the circumstances. You gotta admit though that they have the best stop-motion animated deconstruction of a Jaguar (and SGX) on the internet. :)

well of course ps1 doom was better, since the jag version was cart and ps was disc
not to mention the system was out after jag was discontinued.
but if you compare to systems in jaguars time frame that had doom(snes,32x) then it was best
http://youtu.be/Rgklh0kDHiI


The PC version was out when the jagwire version was out though. So I think it wins.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 07, 2014, 03:16:43 AM
Hey Dan! It's Matt from VGS/MGC. Welcome aboard!

I gotta disagree with you on Doom, brother. I think the best console version of the game resides on the PS1. Killer atmospheric (I use this word all the f*cking time) tunes and better play control won me over.

Also, I loaned Game Sack my Jag and SuperGrafx for that episode. I only sent as many games for both systems as I could fit in a large wooden shipping crate to accommodate their needs and allow them to produce the best show they could under the circumstances. You gotta admit though that they have the best stop-motion animated deconstruction of a Jaguar (and SGX) on the internet. :)

well of course ps1 doom was better, since the jag version was cart and ps was disc
not to mention the system was out after jag was discontinued.
but if you compare to systems in jaguars time frame that had doom(snes,32x) then it was best
http://youtu.be/Rgklh0kDHiI


The PC version was out when the jagwire version was out though. So I think it wins.

pc version was the first Its console version It references too.
its not Jagwire it JAGUAR(jagwire was there website)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 07, 2014, 03:22:32 AM
so you agree its the best then? awesome! I knew you would come around eventually
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Post by: Necromancer on October 07, 2014, 03:30:32 AM
No matter how good of a port Doom is on the Jagwire, it's inferior to the original and would do absolutely nothing to change someone's opinion of the system as a whole.
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Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 07, 2014, 04:15:03 AM
No matter how good of a port Doom is on the Jagwire, it's inferior to the original and would do absolutely nothing to change someone's opinion of the system as a whole.
Not only that you can run it on a hacked canon pixma printer and atm machine.
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Post by: dan Iacovelli on October 07, 2014, 04:32:56 AM
nothing beat the original pc version its the frist.
for console for during the start of the 5 gen machines I would say jaguar
then later prob ps1,xbox etc
you must be from over seas or something its Jaguar like the cat 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on October 07, 2014, 04:41:10 AM
I think people are just playing on the name Jaguar with "Jagwire"

I think it had some potential but I hear it was unusually difficult to program for.  Every system has some gems on it, even the Jaguar :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 07, 2014, 08:08:29 AM
My only complaint at the panel was I couldn't hear the questions that were being asked very well.

We repeated nearly every single question asked of us. Was this not good enough? We also got one comment on the video saying that we should provide annotations because they couldn't understand the questions. I do not understand how people think. Do they not hear me when I talk? This makes me weep for humanity.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 07, 2014, 08:43:04 AM
My only complaint at the panel was I couldn't hear the questions that were being asked very well.

We repeated nearly every single question asked of us. Was this not good enough? We also got one comment on the video saying that we should provide annotations because they couldn't understand the questions. I do not understand how people think. Do they not hear me when I talk? This makes me weep for humanity.

Sweet. He consideres us "people" 

No more primeval chris. Now I am fancy pants homo superior Chris
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on October 07, 2014, 08:56:47 AM
My only complaint at the panel was I couldn't hear the questions that were being asked very well.

We repeated nearly every single question asked of us. Was this not good enough? We also got one comment on the video saying that we should provide annotations because they couldn't understand the questions. I do not understand how people think. Do they not hear me when I talk? This makes me weep for humanity.

I noticed you guys repeated questions, that was so nice to not have to rewatch a part 6 times intently. That's one big problem with 95% of all of those videos. Glad you corrected it.

Plus I'd rather hear a quick summary of the question rather than the question in full, which sometimes get lengthy (by the questioner).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on October 07, 2014, 09:44:16 AM
I had no issues following the video. It was like being there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 07, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
My only complaint at the panel was I couldn't hear the questions that were being asked very well.

We repeated nearly every single question asked of us. Was this not good enough? We also got one comment on the video saying that we should provide annotations because they couldn't understand the questions. I do not understand how people think. Do they not hear me when I talk? This makes me weep for humanity.
Oh I heard you guys just fine and yes I did notice you repeated the questions. Anyway, wish you guys were at PRGE in Portland this year as Tom Kalinske is going to be on a panel. I'm definitely going to ask him why Sega partnered with Pioneer on the Laseractive and maybe throw a rotten tomato at Angry Video Game Nerd.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: reson8er on October 08, 2014, 03:33:07 AM
Watching the panel 2 things made me very happy.

1. You guys stated you wanted to do episode(s) dedicated to game music, which I'd love.

2. You guys want to (re)do the Turbografx console video. I've watched the original tons of times, but always felt it was a bit short in comparison to the other console videos (not criticizing, just saying).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2014, 08:11:21 AM
Well it was the first console-focused episode we had done. Our goal is to make an episode that even Michelle Obama would like.
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Post by: esteban on October 08, 2014, 08:47:41 AM

Well it was the first console-focused episode we had done. Our goal is to make an episode that even Michelle Obama would like.

A lofty goal. You know Michelle Obama was upset when you failed to devote any time to Phantasm<->Timeball in the recent "Games Based on Movies" episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 08, 2014, 09:24:24 AM
Well it was the first console-focused episode we had done. Our goal is to make an episode that even Michelle Obama would like.
Well it would have to feature her expensive shoes in order to make that goal. lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 08, 2014, 10:09:01 AM
Well it was the first console-focused episode we had done. Our goal is to make an episode that even Michelle Obama would like.

Good luck on that, might have to read the Necronomicon first.
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Post by: TR0N on October 11, 2014, 08:23:37 PM
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Post by: esteban on October 11, 2014, 08:37:19 PM
Yay.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 12, 2014, 12:15:10 PM
Great episode! Made me wanna get the movie MMPR SNES game to go with my reg. one, which I've really enjoyed. Don't know how I forgot about the movie ver.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on October 12, 2014, 08:15:36 PM
The panel was great, I would like to apologize for not asking my question at the mic.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 25, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
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Post by: ClodBuster on October 25, 2014, 10:38:08 PM
Hey Joe, great episode as always. You and Dave both together make every second Sunday morning a great reason to get out of bed and fire up your Youtube channel to see what you guys are coming up with this time.

If you will ever cover more Macross games (I saw your reviews for DYRL and Plus), I would recommend you trying SDF Macross for the PlayStation 2. It is made by SEGA, so this should be reason enough for you, shouldn't it?

Oh and by the way, it controls really well and is full of action, transforming and dogfighting. Even if someone is not familar with the show or isn't able to understand Japanese (I can't), the mission objectives are easy enough to understand from the graphics in the briefing room dialogues, making this game is an enjoyable experience. There are two stories that follow the battle events of the 1982 TV series and the 1984 movie version of Macross. A functional tutorial shows you what buttons are assigned to which actions.


It can still be picked up for a low price from Japan, which is convenient regarding this is a good quality game.
If you want, you could also bother with the (rather mediore from my point of view) Macross Scrambled Egg Zone Valkyrie on the SNES and Macross 2036 on the PCE, although these two shooties can't reach the levels of goodness of the PS2 game, so I won't blame you for leaving them out. And don't even think of touching the horrible mess which is called Robotech Battlecry. SRSLY.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Otaking on October 26, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
Great episode.
I love the game Assault Suits Valken (Cybernator) the Super Famicom box artwork was amazing.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Otaking on October 26, 2014, 01:55:45 AM
If you want, you could also bother with the (rather mediore from my point of view) Macross Scrambled Egg Zone Valkyrie on the SNES and Macross 2036 on the PCE, although these two shooties can't reach the levels of goodness of the PS2 game, so I won't blame you for leaving them out.
I didn't care much for the PC Engine Macross 2036 but the Super Famicom Macross Scrambled Valkyrie is awesome! it has great gameplay with loads of sprites on screen and superb graphics. Overall it's one of my favourite shoot 'em up games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on October 30, 2014, 11:57:56 AM
Another awesome episode. I wasn't aware there was a action oriented front mission game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on October 31, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Whenever you do another mech game episode, please include Kiaidan 00.  You need more Turbobs in your reviews, you hobo!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 31, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
Due to the overabundance of shooters on the system it's really hard for me to get excited about the "me-too" ones that that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on November 01, 2014, 02:04:20 AM
Whenever you do another mech game episode, please include Kiaidan 00.  You need more Turbobs in your reviews, you hobo!  :mrgreen:
I concur. Where was Blood Gear in this episode? Epic fail.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 01, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Gee thanks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on November 01, 2014, 11:52:58 AM
Hey Joe, great episode as always. You and Dave both together make every second Sunday morning a great reason to get out of bed and fire up your Youtube channel to see what you guys are coming up with this time.

If you will ever cover more Macross games (I saw your reviews for DYRL and Plus), I would recommend you trying SDF Macross for the PlayStation 2. It is made by SEGA, so this should be reason enough for you, shouldn't it?

Oh and by the way, it controls really well and is full of action, transforming and dogfighting. Even if someone is not familar with the show or isn't able to understand Japanese (I can't), the mission objectives are easy enough to understand from the graphics in the briefing room dialogues, making this game is an enjoyable experience. There are two stories that follow the battle events of the 1982 TV series and the 1984 movie version of Macross. A functional tutorial shows you what buttons are assigned to which actions.

[PlayStation2] Macross (マクロス) - Opening, Stage A:01 (Part 1 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbXJh2T18sE#)

It can still be picked up for a low price from Japan, which is convenient regarding this is a good quality game.
If you want, you could also bother with the (rather mediore from my point of view) Macross Scrambled Egg Zone Valkyrie on the SNES and Macross 2036 on the PCE, although these two shooties can't reach the levels of goodness of the PS2 game, so I won't blame you for leaving them out. And don't even think of touching the horrible mess which is called Robotech Battlecry. SRSLY.

I concur! Also the PS3 Macross game is awesome! What about Xenogears? Or Armored Core? Lots of other mech games out there..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 01, 2014, 12:22:53 PM
I haven't played Xenogears but I am very familiar with its music. Is it about mechs? All I know is the soundtrack from that as well as XenoSaga. I usually avoid Square games since I'm not fond of stories that take themselves so seriously. Chrono Trigger was fun, though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 01, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
I haven't played Xenogears but I am very familiar with its music. Is it about mechs? All I know is the soundtrack from that as well as XenoSaga. I usually avoid Square games since I'm not fond of stories that take themselves so seriously. Chrono Trigger was fun, though.

Yes it is. I have only played the ps1 game ....unfortunately I am blanking on the story but I want to say it was mixed serious with lighter fun moments.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on November 02, 2014, 12:25:38 AM
Xenogears' story was really good for the first 5 hours or so.  After that it gets hyper ridiculous culminating in a silly religious allegories and robots being crucified.  I think it's worth a play through though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on November 02, 2014, 07:31:10 AM

Xenogears' story was really good for the first 5 hours or so.  After that it gets hyper ridiculous culminating in a silly religious allegories and robots being crucified.  I think it's worth a play through though.

Crucifixion of robots = awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 05, 2014, 07:45:27 PM
I'd bet real money Jesus was a robot.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on November 05, 2014, 10:03:15 PM
I'd bet real money Jesus was a robot.

*favorites*
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Post by: TR0N on November 08, 2014, 06:07:09 PM
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on November 08, 2014, 11:26:47 PM
Game Sack - Sequels That Changed the Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXxiiS6BRW4#ws)


I love Joe but I feel the music in Final Zone II is really nice (even the two tracks with vocals kick Joe's dry, dusty sack). Of course, most folks might agree with Joe, but I love the Red Book for FZII (the game itself is mediocre, at best, so the music is the only highlight, really).

I still have to catch-up on random episodes I've missed, but I WATCHED THIS ONE and I am glad Zillion was mentioned. I liked both of 'em on SMS, but I concur that  the original is better.

I actually was surprised when I saw the Toe Jam & Earl platformer...I didn't know the formula was ever changed (obviously I haven't followed the series closely).

For the next episode, Dave should have hair and Joe should go Shaolin Monk.

Also, I hope X68000 episode is in the works (I have no idea if capturing video from X68000 is tricky, but I hope Joe can figure it out).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 09, 2014, 12:27:50 AM


Also, I hope X68000 episode is in the works (I have no idea if capturing video from X68000 is tricky, but I hope Joe can figure it out).

Esteban,
The X68K episode was made a while back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPt69UCyIA
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on November 09, 2014, 04:33:46 AM
A few other games that fit in with your theme of changing stuff up in a sequel:

Street Fighter,
Legend of Xanadu,
Resident Evil from 3 to 4,
Ninja Turtles,
Alundra,
Panzer Dragon from Zwei to Azel,
Actraiser,
Ogre Battle to Tactics Ogre,
Shadowgate,
Double Dragon 4 to 5

I kinda think that you can put pretty almost any game that had its roots on an earlier console and then made an appearance on the PS1/Saturn/N64 era or later systems in these sort of lists.  Off the top of my head:

Metal Gear,
Zelda,
Mario,
Shining Force,
Metroid,
Sonic The Hedgehog,
etc
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 09, 2014, 05:04:20 AM
A few other games that fit in with your theme of changing stuff up in a sequel:

Street Fighter,
Legend of Xanadu,
Resident Evil from 3 to 4,
Ninja Turtles,
Alundra,
Panzer Dragon from Zwei to Azel,
Actraiser,
Ogre Battle to Tactics Ogre,
Shadowgate,
Double Dragon 4 to 5

I kinda think that you can put pretty almost any game that had its roots on an earlier console and then made an appearance on the PS1/Saturn/N64 era or later systems in these sort of lists.  Off the top of my head:

Metal Gear,
Zelda,
Mario,
Shining Force,
Metroid,
Sonic The Hedgehog,
etc


Street Fighter, the first game (if we're talking arcades where it started) is inept but the same series.
Ninja Turtles the NES games are different but the second game is a port of the first arcade game.

Going from 2D to 3D doesn't necessarily always change the genre of game, just the play mechanics.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on November 11, 2014, 01:56:31 PM
Street Fighter(Arcade) to Street Fighter 2010? Did anyone even think of that as a sequel?
Also, the changes from Actraiser to part two  are/were a serious disappointment, even though I just finished it(the first one) for the first time last month.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on November 11, 2014, 09:39:48 PM



Also, I hope X68000 episode is in the works (I have no idea if capturing video from X68000 is tricky, but I hope Joe can figure it out).

Esteban,
The X68K episode was made a while back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQPt69UCyIA

I had missed it, ha!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 22, 2014, 06:26:02 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on November 22, 2014, 06:57:59 PM
Love those Ecco sountracks on the Sega CD... such awesome music.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 22, 2014, 09:31:17 PM
Love those Ecco sountracks on the Sega CD... such awesome music.

The Batman returns soundtrack is fricken amazing. I used to pop the game in and listen to the music in my boombox as a kid.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on November 23, 2014, 01:12:54 AM
I don't have Keio's _____ Squadron . I am sad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 23, 2014, 01:33:28 AM
I don't have Keio's _____ Squadron . I am sad.

Me to. This game much like little Samson I have excepted I will never have as I am not willing to spend around $700 per game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 23, 2014, 01:33:35 AM
I don't have Keio's _____ Squadron . I am sad.

I have Keio's Flying Squadron. I am weird.
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Post by: Punch on November 23, 2014, 02:03:42 AM
Spencer Nilsen.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 23, 2014, 02:42:18 AM
Spencer Nilsen.

When I preordered Sonic 3 at Toys R Us back in 1994 or so I got a Spencer Nielsen soundtrack with music from Sonic Spinball and Sonic CD.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 23, 2014, 03:33:50 AM
I don't have Keio's _____ Squadron . I am sad.

I have Keio's Flying Squadron. I am weird.


Oh yeah?  Where you live?  Don't have any dogs are scary wife's do you?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 23, 2014, 03:57:58 AM
40 MINS ON THE SEGA CD!!!!!  I CAN'T WAIT!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 23, 2014, 04:25:32 AM


Oh yeah?  Where you live?  Don't have any dogs are scary wife's do you?

What if I happen to have one that is a combination of dog looking and scary?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 23, 2014, 04:36:06 AM


Oh yeah?  Where you live?  Don't have any dogs are scary wife's do you?

What if I happen to have one that is a combination of dog looking and scary?

Teen wolf it up man
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on November 23, 2014, 06:27:08 AM
I really liked the sequence where you took apart the Sega CD at the beginning.  Did you do that with stop motion?  How long did that take?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on November 23, 2014, 06:51:26 AM
Another great episode.  It's so funny.  It seems like the last 4 or 5 episodes have covered games I recently purchased.  I actually passed on Dungeon Explorer.  After watching this episode this morning I decided to go snatch it up but it was sold yesterday.  Dang!  You've also inspired me to grab a copy of Terminator.
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Post by: HailingTheThings on November 23, 2014, 12:15:46 PM
I like that you mentioned the Turbo CD. Yes. Also, I remember getting a Sega CD when I was little and being creeped crept out by the Sonic CD death music. Fun times.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nosorrow on November 23, 2014, 01:59:23 PM
I don't have Keio's _____ Squadron . I am sad.

Me to. This game much like little Samson I have excepted I will never have as I am not willing to spend around $700 per game.
I've paid $750 for Eliminate Down. Every day is a battle between keeping the game (I love it) or seliing it back (paying that much money for a video game is absurd). I also have Little Samson but got this one for a more reasonable price a few years ago ($150, but cart only).

Regarding the new episode, I loved it. Too bad Lords of Thunder wasn't mentioned though, as it is my preferred version of the game for some reason - I don't mind the darker color palette and greatly enjoy the slightly remixed soundtrack.

 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 23, 2014, 05:45:17 PM
I don't have Keio's _____ Squadron . I am sad.
The u.s version of keio flying squadron is indeed quite expensive.Luckly the mega-cd version of keio in price is much cheaper and that's the version i have.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on November 23, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
I think I want to rewatch the old episode for Sega-CD now....I love that they really transcoded (converted? Whatever it is called) the video to run off of real hardware. Real FMV from Sega-CD.

That aspect alone makes it the best episode.

For this new episode....I wonder if they simply used effects. It looks great, of course. But SFX can't compare to genuine FMV. :)
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Post by: munchiaz on November 24, 2014, 02:57:34 AM
Great ep. I need to get a working Sega CD
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Post by: esadajr on November 24, 2014, 03:48:49 AM
Great episode guys. Too bad the Sega CD is also considered an "underrated" console.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: reson8er on November 24, 2014, 03:53:29 AM
Really great episode. Thanks Joe and Dave.
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Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 24, 2014, 12:04:06 PM
Amazing episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 24, 2014, 12:12:25 PM
Hey Joe do you have a preference on which type of Sega CD model?

If so why?

Personally I like how the model one genesis and Sega cd looks together.

But as of late have found that the Sega cdx seems to be the more reliable model.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on November 24, 2014, 12:18:59 PM
I prefer the model 1 but the thing has bad cap syndrome just like a Turbo Duo. Maybe not as bad, but it happens. Plus the stupid mechanical drive/tray can sometimes cause issues. For reliability the model 2 wins. But it takes up such a huge footprint.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on November 24, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
Yo Joe, you know anyone that recaps model 1s?  I haven't had any luck finding someone.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 25, 2014, 02:03:25 AM
Model 1's have a stupid design where you have these tiny plastic gears that lift the entire CD mechanism after the tray pulls in.  It is very heavy for the system to handle and easily strips gears.  Bad design but I guess that was the best they could do in the early 90's.  Model 2 hands down for reliability but Model 1 for pimp status.

I was hoping you guys would go over the software updates like the different versions and if there was anything significant.   
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 25, 2014, 03:08:47 AM
Model 1's have a stupid design where you have these tiny plastic gears that lift the entire CD mechanism after the tray pulls in.  It is very heavy for the system to handle and easily strips gears.  Bad design but I guess that was the best they could do in the early 90's.  Model 2 hands down for reliability but Model 1 for pimp status.

I was hoping you guys would go over the software updates like the different versions and if there was anything significant.   

I didnt know they had any type of software updates.

I thought that was something that didn't start until the dream cast and PS2
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on November 25, 2014, 03:23:51 AM
Another great ep. I need to get a working Sega CD. I have a broken JVC X'eye and a broken model 2
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 25, 2014, 03:45:53 AM
Another great ep. I need to get a working Sega CD. I have a broken JVC X'eye and a broken model 2

I use to be in a similar boat. All I had was a wonky dfidgety model one and I finally went balls deep and bought a CDX. So far I have no complaints.

Finally completed and enjoyed Snatcher

Working on  dundgen  explorer

Played and completed Sonic CD

Planning on getting or completing my remaining Sega cd games for my library. Will probably always misses Kios Flying Squadron. But in all honestly doesn't seem like a must have like Cotton on the super cd.

Might just burn a copy on day to test it out though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 25, 2014, 06:43:12 AM
Model 1's have a stupid design where you have these tiny plastic gears that lift the entire CD mechanism after the tray pulls in.  It is very heavy for the system to handle and easily strips gears.  Bad design but I guess that was the best they could do in the early 90's.  Model 2 hands down for reliability but Model 1 for pimp status.

I was hoping you guys would go over the software updates like the different versions and if there was anything significant.   

I didnt know they had any type of software updates.

I thought that was something that didn't start until the dream cast and PS2


I'm sorry I said that wrong, I meant BIOS revisions, not actual software you can install.

Below are revisions of each BIOS version according to region and model.

BIOS Revisions Version    System & Region
1.00   Mega CD (E/J))
1.10   Sega CD (NA)
2.00   Mega CD 2 (E/J), Sega CD 2 (NA)
2.11   Mega CD 2 (E/J), Sega CD 2 (NA)
2.21   Sega Multi-Mega (E), Sega Genesis CDX (NA)

Boot ROM version 2.00 and later support use of a Sega Mega Mouse on control port 2. This can be used instead of the control pad to control the CD player interface.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on November 25, 2014, 07:03:11 AM
How about the wondermega and xeye bioses?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on November 25, 2014, 07:08:42 AM
How easy is it to mod a Sega CD to play Mega CD games?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on November 25, 2014, 07:18:13 AM
they made a carts where you can boot the system into either region and have more RAM to save games.

http://products.genny4ever.net/megacart_v1x.html


use this
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on November 25, 2014, 07:18:41 AM

How easy is it to mod a Sega CD to play Mega CD games?

Just buy a tototek megacart, man.  It's like $70 I think, and I don't think you'll get someone to mod your console for much cheaper than that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 25, 2014, 07:21:28 AM
they made a carts where you can boot the system into either region and have more RAM to save games.

http://products.genny4ever.net/megacart_v1x.html


use this


That is pretty bad ass

Right up there with those alt power cables that can run multi system add one and not eat up as much space on your outlets.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 25, 2014, 05:27:55 PM
Another great ep. I need to get a working Sega CD. I have a broken JVC X'eye and a broken model 2
Planning on getting or completing my remaining Sega cd games for my library. Will probably always misses Kios Flying Squadron. But in all honestly doesn't seem like a must have like Cotton on the super cd.

Might just burn a copy on day to test it out though.
U.S keio is expensive but a japan one is much cheaper in price.You're not missing much in a u.s keio flying squadron,it's english dub etc is terrible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on November 26, 2014, 02:40:21 AM
they made a carts where you can boot the system into either region and have more RAM to save games.

http://products.genny4ever.net/megacart_v1x.html

Looks like you can also use a Mega Everdrive which i already have. Also i was able to fix my X'eye by swapping the laser out with one from a extra Sega Saturn i had laying around


use this
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 06, 2014, 06:21:18 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on December 06, 2014, 08:12:00 PM
Not a bad episode, and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one for whom the 32x is the console of choice for playing doom.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2014, 01:02:08 AM
This is a good topic: second chances. It allows a deeper analysis of (1) what works and (2) doesn't work in a game's favor.

I have changed my feelings about so many games...and I am grateful for it.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on December 07, 2014, 01:31:53 AM
AHAHAHA I knew people would be pissed as soon as I finished the video. Whiny babies can't believe that not everyone considers Final Fantasy 7 as a classic, flawless game. Because it isn't and it is overhyped as hell.

edit: maybe I should revisit the game? Hmm.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2014, 02:28:25 AM
UPDATE: I finally finished watching the DOOM 128 segment at the very end. THE HORROR! Who is that scary monster with a full head of hair?!

DOOM 128 is absolutely awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 07, 2014, 03:56:08 AM
Nice episode


Now you got me thinking on what games I have or HAD that I didn't like to give a second chance.   



Hmmmmm


The forever man on the genesis would be one.  I kept getting lost.


Punch out in space on the NES would be another

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 07, 2014, 05:44:56 AM
One game I wrote off at first back in the day was Donkey Kong Country 3....  I just didnt like it like I liked the first two.  Last year I gave it another go and now I love it.  Its always worth giving games a second chance.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on December 07, 2014, 11:51:01 AM
Dave, I'm glad you came around on Bubble Ghost, and the music is great, seeing as it's composed by Hitoshi Sakimoto (of Magical Chase & Gauntlet IV fame.)

Joe...  Doom... blow your "WAD".  Good pun.  ;-)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2014, 11:55:15 AM
Ok, since nobody is gonna call Dave out for his UTTER LACK OF PLATFORMING SKILLS in Bonk's Adventure... I will.

Dave, your complaints about Bonk's Adventure reveal your lack of skills. It's a damn good game, and the controls are not hard to become comfortable with. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on December 07, 2014, 12:06:01 PM
Indeed. There is a difference between a game with bad controls, and a game where the controls are one of the skills you are supposed to become good at. It's like saying that Castlevania has bad control because the whip takes a half-second to fire up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 07, 2014, 12:08:58 PM
What's funny is that I recorded the Bonk's Adventure gameplay because Dave's Duo has the quick and easy s-video mod and I just don't think it looks up to snuff. Gonna have to fix that to the proper RGB-derived S-video in the future. Anyway I had to hunt and hunt to find footage of me messing up like I imagined him doing. I think he didn't know that you press the button once and then you're upside down. Press it again and you're right side up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on December 07, 2014, 12:15:55 PM
Bonk hate, what is this I don't even.

And the Jag port of doom is the best console port bar none, even with the lack of music...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 07, 2014, 12:31:22 PM
It is a little sad that you didnt get past where you did in FF7 though.  The game is soooo much more than just that first little section.  You were no where near the end of disc 1.  It does seem to get better later in the game.  Battles can still be annoying but overall there is a lot of good stuff.  Maybe consider trying again but use a guide some?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2014, 12:45:24 PM

It is a little sad that you didnt get past where you did in FF7 though.  The game is soooo much more than just that first little section.  You were no where near the end of disc 1.  It does seem to get better later in the game.  Battles can still be annoying but overall there is a lot of good stuff.  Maybe consider trying again but use a guide some?

Future episode: "third chance is a charm"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 07, 2014, 12:50:01 PM
While not the HD remake a lot have been clamoring for... apparently there will be a version of FF7 available for the PS4 which will be a port of the old PC version.  The PC version was a little bit better than the PS1 version graphically etc so might be worth trying there.  At the time I could never get the PC version to work with my video card right so I always ended up with poopy looking software rendering.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 07, 2014, 01:14:49 PM
It is a little sad that you didnt get past where you did in FF7 though.  The game is soooo much more than just that first little section.  You were no where near the end of disc 1.  It does seem to get better later in the game.  Battles can still be annoying but overall there is a lot of good stuff.  Maybe consider trying again but use a guide some?

Funny, I think that the first 6 hours or so of the game was absolutely the highpoint of FF7.  I thought the atmosphere of Midgar was fantastic.  It was bleak and desperate and the world felt well fleshed out.  After you leave Midgar I thought there were a few cool points but overall I thought the game devolved into a huge mess.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 07, 2014, 01:32:11 PM
Oh the first part in Midgar was great and yeah some of the later parts were a little boring but some were also fantastic.  (Gold Saucer Im looking at you!)  I guess I feel like the whole game should be enjoyed :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 07, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
Why do people keep telling me that I'm nowhere near the end of the first disc? That doesn't matter! That wasn't just a "little section". I have 7 hours of recorded footage of me getting THAT far. That's longer than the vast majority of Turbo and X68000 games right there. The fanbase makes me dislike it even more. They just can't deal with the fact that I do not like it. Very annoying. If a game takes more than 7 hours just to "get good" then that is a shitty-designed game. It should be good right away. I guess FF7 fans don't understand logic like that. It's the audience that sometimes makes me hate making Game Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 07, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
Why do people keep telling me that I'm nowhere near the end of the first disc? That doesn't matter! That wasn't just a "little section". I have 7 hours of recorded footage of me getting THAT far. That's longer than the vast majority of Turbo and X68000 games right there. The fanbase makes me dislike it even more. They just can't deal with the fact that I do not like it. Very annoying. If a game takes more than 7 hours just to "get good" then that is a shitty-designed game. It should be good right away. I guess FF7 fans don't understand logic like that. It's the audience that sometimes makes me hate making Game Sack.

Personally the first PS1 era FF game I really got into was FF9. Maybe it is because it was the last (not including online) that was more traditional fantasy instead of sci fi future FF game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on December 07, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
Personally the first PS1 era FF game I really got into was FF9. Maybe it is because it was the last (not including online) that was more traditional fantasy instead of sci fi future FF game.

Agreed. I thought FF7 was so bad that I completely skipped FF8. FF9 was awesome, though!  Totally felt like a throwback to the SNES days.

And Joe, I tried a few times to "get" FF7 and once I even made it to disc 2.  It took me 40 hours.  40 grueling hours. To get to disc 2. I stopped playing after that and haven't picked it up since.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 07, 2014, 05:12:44 PM
Well I apologize for enjoying the game and hoping that others enjoy it too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: mackdanger on December 07, 2014, 05:23:58 PM
If a game takes more than 7 hours just to "get good" then that is a shitty-designed game. It should be good right away.

If I remember correctly, people were saying the same thing about FF13. Except they were saying it "opened up" and "got good" after like fifteen hours or some shit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 07, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
Why do people keep telling me that I'm nowhere near the end of the first disc? That doesn't matter! That wasn't just a "little section". I have 7 hours of recorded footage of me getting THAT far. That's longer than the vast majority of Turbo and X68000 games right there. The fanbase makes me dislike it even more. They just can't deal with the fact that I do not like it. Very annoying. If a game takes more than 7 hours just to "get good" then that is a shitty-designed game. It should be good right away. I guess FF7 fans don't understand logic like that. It's the audience that sometimes makes me hate making Game Sack.

Obviously nobody's going to like every game and likewise, no matter how overly loved some game is somebody is going to hate it.  FF7 has a really weird feel to me that made me think that the whole game was an odd work in progress. 

It was clearly an early work in 3D where just having 3D graphics meant that stuff would happen at a weird and occasionally very slow speed.  I figure the best case in point I can think of is the Knights of the Round summon.  I think anyone who was going to like FF7 would like it from the very get go.  If what you dislike about it is actual gameplay elements, I doubt that the story/music/artwork are going to change your opinion.  I don't think playing it longer to "give it a chance" will change your mind.

I liked FF7 a lot at the time of release but upon playing it again a year or two ago I thought that the plot goes to hell as soon as the villain is introduced and actually playing the game is fairly annoying. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 07, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Yeah, that's what I was hoping to express in the FF7 segment. The 'tude I seem to be getting from a lot of FF7 fans (not all, mind you) is that I'm doing something wrong. There's no way anyone can genuinely dislike the game so I must be doing something wrong. They just need to accept that I've given it an honest second chance and I still don't like it. I put a lot of time into that second chance and people think I didn't "do it right". It's just not good enough for them. It's like all that effort I put into giving the game a second chance was completely wasted on them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on December 07, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Yeah, that's what I was hoping to express in the FF7 segment. The 'tude I seem to be getting from a lot of FF7 fans (not all, mind you) is that I'm doing something wrong. There's no way anyone can genuinely dislike the game so I must be doing something wrong. They just need to accept that I've given it an honest second chance and I still don't like it. I put a lot of time into that second chance and people think I didn't "do it right". It's just not good enough for them. It's like all that effort I put into giving the game a second chance was completely wasted on them.

Don't sweat it, man. Definitely not for everyone. I remembered thinking FF7 was cool from watching my friend play it back around the time it was released. Fast forward years later and someone straight up gave me a complete black label copy because disc 1 was scratched and they had a better copy. I played it. Decided that it wasn't good enough to hold me. I asked my friend if he gave a shit if I sold it to a local shop and he's like "I. Don't. Care." So I ended up getting some Dreamcast with the credit I got for it. Thank you FF7. Thank you for helping me get games I'll actually have fun playing.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 07, 2014, 10:46:06 PM
Yeah, that's what I was hoping to express in the FF7 segment. The 'tude I seem to be getting from a lot of FF7 fans (not all, mind you) is that I'm doing something wrong. There's no way anyone can genuinely dislike the game so I must be doing something wrong. They just need to accept that I've given it an honest second chance and I still don't like it. I put a lot of time into that second chance and people think I didn't "do it right". It's just not good enough for them. It's like all that effort I put into giving the game a second chance was completely wasted on them.

Exactly. I know that, at times, I am guilty of this myself (for example, when folks say that Legendary Axe I/II, China Warrior, ______ are bad games). I should simply acknowledge that some games may not be enjoyable to everyone. Instead, of course, I tell folks that they "really haven't given it a chance"—which may or may not be true.

You are spot-on characterizing the accusations as  "you are doing it wrong"...I have seen that from both sides of the fence. And sometimes, I have  seen it while standing on the fence. However,  I have never seen it from under the fence (what would be the point of climbing underneath?).

In summary, it is OK if FF7 is not loved by everyone.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on December 07, 2014, 11:59:03 PM
In summary, it is OK if FF7 is not loved by everyone.

While it disappoints me to learn that GameSack Joe dislikes FF7, I've long since shed the ole "How DARE you not like/love what I do!" fanatic mentality. Heh. Ten years ago you might've jokingly (for the most part) seen me giving off a "Don't like Squaresoft ???? GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE!! NOW!!" vibe but it's something one must learn to outgrow. ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on December 08, 2014, 01:12:33 AM
if you could skip the cutscenes I would replay FF7.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 08, 2014, 02:04:40 AM
Have another burrito Joe. THEN you will like FF7.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: cjameslv on December 08, 2014, 06:07:10 AM
FF7 was huge to me. I got it when i turned 18 and took me 3 months to beat...damn ruby and emerald weapons...anyway ya i remember playing it for a few hours every day when i got home from work. No walkthrough or anything back then!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on December 08, 2014, 06:36:40 AM
I was a freshman in Highschool when 7 came out, I was hyped up from reading about it in magazines and I loved every minute of the ~100 hours I played it. That being said I've never went back to it. FFVI on the other hand I play through once a yearl.

It's like Dragon Warrior on the NES. I love RPG's and I "should" like Dragon Warrior but I just don't.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 08, 2014, 07:02:23 AM
I've played it through three times now.

Honestly I like the magic / battle system in it.  I thought it was a very clever customizable system they used.  I didn't fully understand the story until the third playthrough though.  It was a little cliche etc but I still really enjoyed it.  Granted its no Skies of Arcadia... but still quite good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 08, 2014, 08:05:44 AM

I am guilty of this myself (for example, when folks say that Legendary Axe I/II, China Warrior, ______ are bad games).


Well all I can do is let people know why I didn't like it, which I did. All other people can do (or should try to do) is let me know what they like about it. So for example if someone said "Legendary Axe sucks I hate waiting for that damn bar it takes like two minutes to fill before I can swing again and I hate the weak attacks when the bar is empty" my best response would be that I like it, it adds strategy to the way you deal with your enemies. A bad response would be "You don't enjoy it because you're playing it wrong. LOL that's not even 11% into the game! You must beat the entire game before you're allowed to have an opinion on it."
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 08, 2014, 08:12:29 AM
I noticed you had some frustration with some of those battles.  That twin heli boss or whatever is a pain because of the range limitations.  But there is a strategy to it and it is a fun battle.  Many bosses in that game have unique features like that.

Like I said, I really enjoyed the magic system and the way you could customize your equipment using the various combinations of materia.  I though it was really clever and not as limiting as most RPG magic systems are.

Later in the game I loved the free roam nature of it.  Yeah there is a linear story path, but at many points you can go do other things for as long as you want.  The beginning of the game is very linear in nature and while great doesn't do a good job representing the game as a whole.  Once you get an airship later on... man does it open up!

Anyways, I am sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I did, but I am glad you gave it another shot.  Did you doll up Cloud well enough to be picked by the Don or did you get the reject spot?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 08, 2014, 08:16:37 AM
Joe, you haven't lived until you've mated chocobo for 90 hours so you can get the best materia in the game (that also needs you to grind to level up).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on December 08, 2014, 09:04:55 AM
Meh... I played through most of FF7 on PC and liked it but never finished it.  A few months ago I picked up a copy on PS1 and thought I would want to go right through and finally beat the thing.  I lost interest after getting out of Midgar.  The one thing I completely adore about FF7 though is the music.  Admittedly, I am not the biggest turn based RPG fan in the world but sometimes one will suck me in.  Originally, FF7 did to a point but I just can't get back into it now.  It's hard for me to get into turn based when there are Zeldas, Neutopias and Alundras of the world.  I actually beat Crystallis on NES for the first time a few months ago and even though it's an action RPG it was getting to be a grind towards the end.  That was a long damn game for being on the NES.

My favorite turn based "RPG" you ask?  Sweet Home on Famicom (translated of course).  It's what I love about survival horror with a turn based RPG format but a good story and good, fitting music.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 08, 2014, 09:15:29 AM


I am guilty of this myself (for example, when folks say that Legendary Axe I/II, China Warrior, ______ are bad games).


Well all I can do is let people know why I didn't like it, which I did. All other people can do (or should try to do) is let me know what they like about it. So for example if someone said "Legendary Axe sucks I hate waiting for that damn bar it takes like two minutes to fill before I can swing again and I hate the weak attacks when the bar is empty" my best response would be that I like it, it adds strategy to the way you deal with your enemies. A bad response would be "You don't enjoy it because you're playing it wrong. LOL that's not even 11% into the game! You must beat the entire game before you're allowed to have an opinion on it."


HAHJAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Too true. Well, actually, it's 89% trüe. You only finished 11%* of the game, after all.

*Technically 10.64%, but I rounded up to 11%.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 08, 2014, 09:21:26 AM
Another great episode.  I did like Bonk immediately however and the game is so easy I think the iffy attacks add some difficulty and realism as only the top of Bonks head can attack and even though you spin very fast you still expose Bonk's vulnerable body.  The game lets you use the turbo switches as I guess it was a gimmick of the system which basically defines it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 09, 2014, 06:33:51 AM
Joe, you haven't lived until you've mated chocobo for 90 hours so you can get the best materia in the game (that also needs you to grind to level up).

I had a first generation PS1 that overheated all the time.  As you had to wait an in-game hour between attempts, the obvious method of Chocobo breading was if you didn't get the result you wanted, reset the game and try again.  As I could do that 3 times before my PS1 wouldn't load the game I didn't get Knights of the Round until I got a PS2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 09, 2014, 06:54:35 AM

Anyways, I am sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I did, but I am glad you gave it another shot.  Did you doll up Cloud well enough to be picked by the Don or did you get the reject spot?
He didn't pick me though I thought for sure he would since I'm the protagonist and all.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on December 09, 2014, 07:08:46 AM

He didn't pick me though I thought for sure he would since I'm the protagonist and all.

The Don has standards.

And so do you ... by not trudging through the cliched and ugly grindfest that is Final Fantasy VII. Even in 1997 I was disappointed with the game. So don't worry, millions of fans can (and are wrong). It's a game that's way more significant in terms of popularizing RPGs than it was a polished and finely tuned product.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 09, 2014, 07:57:50 AM
I'm a Zelda guy anyway. So I'm not mad at you, Joe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 09, 2014, 10:37:53 PM
There was a specific set of doll up items you needed to get picked by the don.  Made for a little more awkward moment if you got picked.

I want to disagree with you Dan but you made me play the Lunar games so I know you're right... :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 10, 2014, 07:58:08 AM
Actually I don't mind grinding in RPGs, just so long as the battles are fast. Like I said somewhere else, I can complete an average Phantasy Star 4 battle before a FF7 battle loads and is ready to begin.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 10, 2014, 08:07:10 AM
Joe, you haven't lived until you've mated chocobo for 90 hours so you can get the best materia in the game (that also needs you to grind to level up).

I had a first generation PS1 that overheated all the time.  As you had to wait an in-game hour between attempts, the obvious method of Chocobo breading was if you didn't get the result you wanted, reset the game and try again.  As I could do that 3 times before my PS1 wouldn't load the game I didn't get Knights of the Round until I got a PS2.
I remember doing that. I think it was also because you had to use special "mating ingredients" that were ultra rare drops from ultra rare encounters. So better to reset the system and play the slots again then go through the whole long process again. What a pain that was.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 10, 2014, 08:22:10 AM
I do wish you could skip some of the long animations in the FF7 battles.  The summons etc are cool the first few times but after that its like ok lets get on with it...

Especially when you start w summon + miming a knights of the round.. yeah screw waiting for that.  You can stop and make a sandwich.  Reminds me of that game sack episode talking about TV lag...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 10, 2014, 08:45:59 AM
I never defeated either of the Weapons, I still have my memory card and save game from the late 90s where I had my party geared up to fight them. BlueBMW reminds me why I never did: the base strategy is to mime Knights of the Round for maximum damage... and it takes forever! When you lose the battle, you just don't have the heart to go through it again right away since it takes so long.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 11, 2014, 02:31:15 PM
I was just looking at the Game Sack channel page, and I realized the banner uses a photo of TG-16 with Soldier Blade in the slot that I used to use as my desktop wallpaper. Joe had posted it at Sega-16 years ago.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 11, 2014, 03:05:32 PM
Joe... If you would accept Jesus as your savior... All would be good... Your job, marriage, friendship with Dave... Everything.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 11, 2014, 03:07:24 PM
Remember that! Your X68000 power supply would work on demand too!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 11, 2014, 04:44:14 PM
I was just looking at the Game Sack channel page, and I realized the banner uses a photo of TG-16 with Soldier Blade in the slot that I used to use as my desktop wallpaper. Joe had posted it at Sega-16 years ago.

Yes! That's a picture I took. I like that picture a lot and I sure as hell don't want to post a console on my channel page that 90% of other channels probably have.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 11, 2014, 05:51:31 PM
Yes! That's a picture I took. I like that picture a lot and I sure as hell don't want to post a console on my channel page that 90% of other channels probably have.
I found the album http://imgur.com/a/3AviF

Do you have a Duo-R? I'd love a high res photo for wallpaper.

This reminds me, I checked the Turbo Memoirs recently, I think all the high res photos are unavailable.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 12, 2014, 06:50:23 AM
I do not have a Duo-R, no.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 12, 2014, 06:07:19 PM
Ive got an RX Joe could snap a picture of... 

Or maybe ping Aaron Nanto and see if hes got some nice pics for ya.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 20, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on December 20, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
"get off my nipple, I'm not your mom..."

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 21, 2014, 01:25:01 AM
(http://abload.de/img/joecheezburgerzjsgk.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 21, 2014, 03:07:09 AM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on December 21, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........
Not for $200 though..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on December 21, 2014, 03:37:31 AM


8)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 21, 2014, 03:40:23 AM
DECO!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 21, 2014, 04:27:09 AM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........
Not for $200 though..


?

There are four eBay listing for spin master at the $50 mark
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 21, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!
I did mention in the comments where this one !?





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........

I did mention in the comments where this one !? Though good luck trying to get windjammers it's become a valuable game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 21, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!
I did mention in the comments where this one !?





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........

I did mention in the comments where this one !? Though good luck trying to get windjammers it's become a valuable game.
Arcade Longplay [185] Magical Drop III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4aOHQxbJ9o#)



Wind hammers became valuable?


Man when I first started with Neo Geo about four years ago wind hammers was like a $30-$50 dollar game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 21, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!
I did mention in the comments where this one !?





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........

I did mention in the comments where this one !? Though good luck trying to get windjammers it's become a valuable game.
Arcade Longplay [185] Magical Drop III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4aOHQxbJ9o#)



Wind hammers became valuable?


Man when I first started with Neo Geo about four years ago wind hammers was like a $30-$50 dollar game.


Jeff Gertsmann from Giant Bomb started playing it on streams, I would guess interest shot up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 21, 2014, 04:59:32 PM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!
I did mention in the comments where this one !?





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........

I did mention in the comments where this one !? Though good luck trying to get windjammers it's become a valuable game.
Arcade Longplay [185] Magical Drop III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4aOHQxbJ9o#)



Wind hammers became valuable?


Man when I first started with Neo Geo about four years ago wind hammers was like a $30-$50 dollar game.

Windjammers was a obscure one but not any more.Heck,once in awhile threads pop up at neo-geo.com on the price increase.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on December 22, 2014, 12:37:02 AM
Flying Power Disc is just as good... ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on December 22, 2014, 08:40:58 AM
Great now you reminded me that I still want wind jammers and spin masters for the MVS!





Now I am going to have to make a WTB thread..........
Not for $200 though..


?

There are four eBay listing for spin master at the $50 mark
This was in reference to Wind Jammer..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on December 24, 2014, 03:35:40 AM
Nice Data East episode.  If you two liked Lock n Chase, check out the PCE port Revival Chase.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 03, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrFulci on January 03, 2015, 07:14:17 PM
I watched most of this, skimmed through monkey ball, and such.

Smash TV, great choice, Joe's other half. I enjoyed it in the arcade, and got the NES port, soon after it was available, and was so disappointed in it. 2 controllers, it worked ok, but, I never gave it much gameplay. While not the worst x-mas/birthday gift, it just so lacked what I was used to, in the arcade. It was one of the least played, NEW, NES games I owned.

Later, I got the SNES, bought SUPER Smash TV, for less than that NES version cost, and the controls took no getting used to. On the right of the controller, the top button shot up, bottom button shot down, etc. It was so nice.

No need for that anymore, since, though not a conversion, a Capcom Collection on PS2 has it. And those two thumb sticks, on those controllers, work fine, in that game.


Smash TV, on NES, though playable, sucked. I as glad when I got an SNES, and SUPER Smash TV was one of the first 5 games I got for it.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 04, 2015, 02:45:42 AM
It's funny to see Dave growing more beard while lacking hair on the very top of his head.




Aaaaaaaaaah, great episode as always. I gave my better half a not-so-hidden hint when Super Monkey Ball was shown. You two convinced me I should play this game, since I enjoyed Super Monkey Ball 2 a lot along with my friends. Maybe I'm lucky on my next birthday.
I never knew before that Monkey Ball saw an arcade release, so thanks for sharing that info.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on January 04, 2015, 02:53:07 AM
I was happy to see Dave give Gunsmoke some love.  It's a great game and one of my favorites on the NES.  I feel like it doesn't get mentioned too often and is under appreciated.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 04, 2015, 03:07:23 AM
It's funny to see Dave growing more beard while lacking hair on the very top of his head.

I can definitely relate to Dave on this matter...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on January 04, 2015, 04:10:03 AM
Great episode.  I love the part about Outrun on the Saturn.  I must pick this up.  I wonder if that game had RGB or coax in mind on displaying its grafx?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on January 04, 2015, 05:15:53 AM
Great episode! I've been wanting Out Run on the Saturn for awhile. Also a great end skit. I need to try up Mary-Kate and Ashley Pocket Planner :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 04, 2015, 09:07:23 AM
Golden Axe? Anyway, awesome episode, what do I need to do to grow a beard like Daves? :P

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on January 04, 2015, 09:57:43 AM
I was happy to see Dave give Gunsmoke some love.  It's a great game and one of my favorites on the NES.  I feel like it doesn't get mentioned too often and is under appreciated.

I poured enough quarters into a Gunsmoke at the local pizza shop back in the day, they should have given me the machine...

Dat Monkeyball love too, I think it's a bit of an addiction.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on January 05, 2015, 04:02:37 AM
Are there any discernible differences between the NES and FDS versions of Gun.Smoke?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 05, 2015, 04:41:41 AM
Are there any discernible differences between the NES and FDS versions of Gun.Smoke?


More load times?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on January 05, 2015, 05:17:04 AM
talk about surprises. A shame Monkey Ball wasn't released on the Dreamcast at least in Japan.

Couldn't agree more with Saturn Outrun being the definitive version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on January 05, 2015, 07:30:50 AM
i also enjoyed their arcade to home conversion episode! i really need to get my hands on gun smoke! that game looks awesome
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on January 05, 2015, 09:46:21 AM
Another great ep. Was not expect super monkey ball. Its a fun game
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 07, 2015, 03:56:56 AM
Joe is blowing his stack at sega-16 over the complaining!

Just stay on pcenginefx, it's not as autistic here.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 07, 2015, 04:05:16 AM
By the way Joe, I noticed your and Dave's beards aren't perfectly symmetrical, you should really look into fixing that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 07, 2015, 08:34:30 AM

By the way Joe, I noticed your and Dave's beards aren't perfectly symmetrical, you should really look into fixing that.

Hahahahahshashs. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 07, 2015, 10:32:48 AM
No shit, right? I think there might be a few more hairs on one side rather than the other. Let's talk about this for 5 pages.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 07, 2015, 10:36:13 AM
Can someone link to the thread at Sega-16?

I want to read it, but not enough to search Sega-16 forums.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 07, 2015, 11:03:48 AM
Here's the last page, you can backtrack from there http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?16584-Game-Sack/page88
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 07, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Just be sure to replace the word "hate" with "am extremely annoyed by" as you read it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on January 07, 2015, 01:45:49 PM
Here's the last page, you can backtrack from there http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?16584-Game-Sack/page88


Thanks for the link.  I will never get that 15 minutes of my life back.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 07, 2015, 02:01:49 PM
Like I posted at Feka-16, I was immensely happy to see you started your list with Master System Choplifter. One of my all time favorites!

I was kind of surprised not to see Shinobi on your list, either PCE or SMS. PCE for being nearly arcade perfect, and Master System for being both largely accurate and a nice "consolized" conversion where you have a life bar and don't die with a single hit.

I would bet if you expanded your list to ten Shinobi would be on there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on January 07, 2015, 04:01:46 PM

Like I posted at Feka-16, I was immensely happy to see you started your list with Master System Choplifter. One of my all time favorites!

I was kind of surprised not to see Shinobi on your list, either PCE or SMS. PCE for being nearly arcade perfect, and Master System for being both largely accurate and a nice "consolized" conversion where you have a life bar and don't die with a single hit.

I would bet if you expanded your list to ten Shinobi would be on there.

I don't think there's a single home conversion of Shinobi that really hits home for me.  The PCE is about as arcadey as you can get, but it's still not perfect.  I actually prefer Shadow Dancer on the SMS over the Shinobi port.  Actually, I'd rather play SMS Shadow Dancer than any version of the original Shinobi.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on January 08, 2015, 01:43:52 AM
Nice episode!  If you ever do a Bottom 5 Arcade to Home Conversions episode, please include Hatris.  :mrgreen:

Thanks for the link.  I will never get that 15 minutes of my life back.

Heh, no kidding; that guy is a real toolbag.  Pissing and moaning about video quality is just plain stupid, seeing as gamesack is 10x better than your average jump cut youtube crap that looks like it was pulled from a heavily worn 20 year old slp vhs dub with tracking issues.

Not that posting an opinion or suggestion is bad, but to go on and on and on about it?  Nope.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on January 08, 2015, 02:49:35 AM
Joe, your browns arent brown enough on your Genesis captures!!! Fix it!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 08, 2015, 03:37:30 AM
Joe, does it help a little if I say I enjoyed the N64 episode of GameSack? I did, honestly. :) And I've no idea what others could have found wrong about that, but then I did not read that video's comments. I just see it mentioned here and there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 08, 2015, 08:12:16 AM
With the N64 episode most people are annoyed by the fact that we had too many racing games in there (we probably did). But hey it's what we enjoyed on the system. Some of the people were annoyed by what they perceived as a flagrant dissing on the Zelda games. How can OOT not be our most favoritist Zelda game? Don't like an aspect about Majora's Mask? That's worse than drawing Muhammed! Ocarina of Time is one of the games I'd like to try and give a second chance to someday, however.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 08, 2015, 09:58:52 AM
Thanks for the explanation.

When I got my N64 at Christmas '97 back then, my first games were Turok and xtreme-G. Heck, in my opinion the N64 was known for excelling at three genres: Platformers, FPS and racing games. Lots of racing games, and some are still worth playing today. I like how you brought up Beetle Adventure Racing, a game I once won in a draw. A friend of mine and me had a lot of fun exploring the vast tracks of BAR in 2-player mode and we tried to exploit the game's physics more or less successfully. The N64 isn't just Zelda or Mario.

EDIT: Oh and I found it very cool how you two talked about all the tech stuff in a way that made me smile. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SephirothTNH on January 08, 2015, 11:06:19 AM
I really enjoyed the N64 episode as well.  I was shocked to see someone mention it wasn't received well.  I don't read the video comments usually.  I actually thought it was quite refreshing to not see it end up being all about Zelda and Mario. 

I do like OOT but no Zelda has ever topped A Link to the Past for me. 
Title: Re: Game Sacked
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 08, 2015, 01:44:54 PM
JOE WHY DONT YOU MAKE THE SHOW HOW THIEF FROM SEGA16 LIKES IT

That bitch needs to get game sacked
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 08, 2015, 07:00:43 PM
Haha, the first episode I ever saw must have been either the N64 or the Mario Vs Sonic one. From what I can remember, it popped up in the recommendations of my Xbox360's Youtube App.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on January 09, 2015, 02:03:35 AM
I love pretty much all episodes of Game Sack.  The production quality alone is above board and true fans are making great videos.


But to keep the fanbois in check just use RF through a 1978 Zenith and then record the image via a Kodak XL55 Super 8 Movie Camera and get the sound via reel to reel through a AKG MIC submerged in maple syrup.

That way it is fair and you should know this BTW.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on January 09, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
The choplifter capture does look a little bit too bright to be honest.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 09, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
When I watch other gaming videos on Youtube, it's obvious they either play through an emulator (where the colors do not have exactly to match the real thing) or through Composite Video (e.g. TurboViews & AVGN) which is obvious on the dotcrawl. Maybe some people are so used to RF, Composite or emulators, that they don't know how proper captured RGB signals look like.

Either way, I have the impression that you two Gamesack guys care a lot about about both entertainment AND audiovisual quality, something which isn't frequently seen on videogame related shows.
Title: Re: Game Sacked
Post by: graffias79 on January 10, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
JOE WHY DONT YOU MAKE THE SHOW HOW THIEF FROM SEGA16 LIKES IT

That bitch needs to get game sacked

If I may be so blunt, I smelled troll on Thief the first time I saw a post from him.  Seeing him post in a thread is akin to smelling someone's particularly nasty fart at walmart that seems to have taken over the entire aisle.  I very rarely block people but I'm tempted to since I've never seen anything substantial posted by him.

Edited to add: Joe your show is amazing.  I hope you keep at it for a long time!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on January 10, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
I alway watch past shows on my TV

Sit down with something to munch on
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 17, 2015, 06:59:32 PM
Domo Arigato Mr.Roboto !!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on January 17, 2015, 10:40:41 PM
Great new episode!  Some really interesting choices.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on January 17, 2015, 10:42:31 PM
Nuts!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on January 18, 2015, 12:38:43 AM
That ending...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 18, 2015, 04:52:28 AM
When do we get the CDi episode we've all been waiting for
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 18, 2015, 04:54:49 AM
Just wait 'til Dave reviews Mr. Nutz.

(http://abload.de/img/02_headerbild_nuts_58hfpvn.jpg)

Good episode as always.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on January 18, 2015, 04:57:29 AM
Watching now.  You guys really do a great job and it's obvious you guys are true fans of gaming.  So much knowledge. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 18, 2015, 05:01:38 AM

When do we get the CDi episode we've all been waiting for

I have been completely serious about wanting CDi episode, too. Joe knows that we both lust for it. :)

And what was that other wacky platform? NUON?

Beemer, or somebody (DragonMasterDan?), had NUON and shared their thoughts on Tetris years ago. I have to find the old threads. I forget 99% of that stuff.

I think I may still have a WHOLE BUNCH OF HUGE CDi magazines I picked up years ago. They are "large format" (double the size of a regular magazine) and I can't figure out how to scan them (taking a high quality photo with lighting might be the best route). :)

I read all those damn magazines over 10-15 years ago, but now I barely remember anything from them. :(

Anyway...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on January 18, 2015, 06:03:05 AM
A CD-i/Nuon WomboCombo ep. would be the tits...make it happen.

I have Nuon games and a controller somewhere I can send, my unit is dead though :(

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 18, 2015, 06:52:31 AM


Beemer, or somebody (DragonMasterDan?), had NUON and shared their thoughts on Tetris years ago. I have to find the old threads. I forget 99% of that stuff.



Both the Nuon and CDI have a version of Tetris.

The Nuon Tetris is a version of "The Next Tetris" and it's really sloppily put together. The disc it's on is a demo disc and the game is of demo at best quality. It was a mail order only item for people who bought a particular model of Nuon.

CDi Tetris controls strangely and has a weird background of actual photos. It's tetris but when it plays worse than the GameBoy one you have a problem.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on January 18, 2015, 07:00:42 AM
Games I played on Nuon

Tempest 3000 (Tempest 2000 is miles and leagues better in every possible way)
Merlin Kart Racing (meh sloppy Kart Racker, Atari Karts is better)
Ballistics (ball puzzle game like that pop cap game Zuma, it's fine)
and piles of half-ass homebrew stuff.

Never got to try
Space invaders
Iron Soldier
Tetris
Freefall

and whatever other random shit is out there.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 18, 2015, 07:08:16 AM
Ohh.. Lunar Magical School. Interesting choice Joe.

My thoughts on it are that it's short, the encounter rate is high, the scale isn't very epic. But I do like the game a lot. It's short, sweet with great music and a nice whimsical story. I've played through the Saturn version twice and the Game Gear original once. I would have liked to see it translated into English but I can see why even if a Playstation port existed it might not have been a perfect choice.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on January 20, 2015, 05:22:22 AM
I'm a fan of Lunar Magic School myself.  I picked it up right after I finished Lunar 2 thinking it'd most certainly never come stateside and it looks like time proved me right.  It was short and cute and I liked that it didn't have the common "RPG heroes have to save the world!" trope to the extent that most games in the genre have (or perhaps my recollection of the game is a bit off).

A CDi episode would be kinda nice.  I'd really like one that wasn't Hotel Mario and the CDi Zelda games.  Those are the only games that anyone knows about on the platform, surely there's something else?  Anything else that's even at all playable would be pretty obscure and worth a look imo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 20, 2015, 05:52:24 AM
Curious, have you thought of doing a show on world wide releases that never made it to the U.S? Other than Europe and Japan?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 20, 2015, 06:55:53 AM
Curious, have you thought of doing a show on world wide releases that never made it to the U.S? Other than Europe and Japan?

There is no such thing. 


In facto doubt Japan and Europe exist even. 


USA USA USA!!!!!!   :dance:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on January 20, 2015, 07:22:37 AM
Another great ep. Going to have to check out some of the Mega CD games
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 20, 2015, 07:27:56 AM
Curious, have you thought of doing a show on world wide releases that never made it to the U.S? Other than Europe and Japan?

There is no such thing. 


In facto doubt Japan and Europe exist even. 


USA USA USA!!!!!!   :dance:

There's a Brazilian master system games that didn't come out in the US, Japan or Europe........

 And by that I  mean a handful that came out only in Brazil
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 20, 2015, 07:30:58 AM
Curious, have you thought of doing a show on world wide releases that never made it to the U.S? Other than Europe and Japan?


There is no such thing. 


In facto doubt Japan and Europe exist even. 


USA USA USA!!!!!!   :dance:


There's a Brazilian master system games that didn't come out in the US, Japan or Europe........

 And by that I  mean a handful that came out only in Brazil


(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n119/medic_wheat/Random/72BFD48C-F856-40EF-B9D6-0639277BE77E_zpsjfcssyek.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/medic_wheat/media/Random/72BFD48C-F856-40EF-B9D6-0639277BE77E_zpsjfcssyek.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on January 20, 2015, 09:22:38 AM
The newest ep. of Game Sack was fun, thanks for introducing me to Little Ralph! I totally just bought it on PSN. Yay!

(http://i.imgur.com/JRIKXFz.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 20, 2015, 09:57:27 AM
The newest ep. of Game Sack was fun, thanks for introducing me to Little Ralph! I totally just bought it on PSN. Yay!

(http://i.imgur.com/JRIKXFz.jpg)


Game Sack.  Introducing people to their "little Ralph".

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on January 20, 2015, 12:01:13 PM

Curious, have you thought of doing a show on world wide releases that never made it to the U.S? Other than Europe and Japan?

There is no such thing. 


In facto doubt Japan and Europe exist even.


USA USA USA!!!!!!   :dance:

There's a Brazilian master system games that didn't come out in the US, Japan or Europe........

 And by that I  mean a handful that came out only in Brazil

And at least one mega drive game, if I'm not mistaken...Duke Nukem 3D?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 20, 2015, 01:05:44 PM

Curious, have you thought of doing a show on world wide releases that never made it to the U.S? Other than Europe and Japan?

There is no such thing. 


In facto doubt Japan and Europe exist even.


USA USA USA!!!!!!   :dance:

There's a Brazilian master system games that didn't come out in the US, Japan or Europe........

 And by that I  mean a handful that came out only in Brazil

And at least one mega drive game, if I'm not mistaken...Duke Nukem 3D?

Didn't gamesack talk about that port of DN3D? 

And how bad it was but still impressive on a 16 bit (and a 8 bit verson?). Or something??
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on January 20, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
A CDi episode would be kinda nice.  I'd really like one that wasn't Hotel Mario and the CDi Zelda games.  Those are the only games that anyone knows about on the platform, surely there's something else?  Anything else that's even at all playable would be pretty obscure and worth a look imo.

The CDi received a great port of 7th Guest.
Secret Mission is also a decent adventure type game.
Apprentice gets mentioned a whole lot as one of the better CDi games.
Burn Cycle is common in lists as well.
Mutant Rampage: Bodyslam is a decent brawler.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 20, 2015, 10:50:03 PM

A CDi episode would be kinda nice.  I'd really like one that wasn't Hotel Mario and the CDi Zelda games.  Those are the only games that anyone knows about on the platform, surely there's something else?  Anything else that's even at all playable would be pretty obscure and worth a look imo.

The CDi received a great port of 7th Guest.
Secret Mission is also a decent adventure type game.
Apprentice gets mentioned a whole lot as one of the better CDi games.
Burn Cycle is common in lists as well.
Mutant Rampage: Bodyslam is a decent brawler.

If be happy to see those CDi titles. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on January 21, 2015, 02:08:27 AM
^^

Here ya go  :P


(http://i61.tinypic.com/2gyahbb.jpg)


Yeah as an interesting oddity the CDi would make for a decent episode, I think.
Not sure they'd be able to fill 30mins worth of time though.
Maybe they could split it up by covering the Pippin and Marty as well. ;p

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 21, 2015, 02:29:53 AM
^^

Here ya go  :P


(http://i61.tinypic.com/2gyahbb.jpg)


Yeah as an interesting oddity the CDi would make for a decent episode, I think.
Not sure they'd be able to fill 30mins worth of time though.
Maybe they could split it up by covering the Pippin and Marty as well. ;p




Since the CDi would be a loaner from BMW as would the Nuon I thought Joe had mentioned that would be a combined episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on January 21, 2015, 12:35:16 PM
Where is the clamor for a PC-FX episode?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 21, 2015, 12:38:42 PM

Where is the clamor for a PC-FX episode?

Ha! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 21, 2015, 02:46:23 PM
Where is the clamor for a PC-FX episode?

It would be just Queen of Queens
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on January 21, 2015, 02:49:46 PM
Where is the clamor for a PC-FX episode?

Over one hundred pages ago.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on January 22, 2015, 06:02:36 AM
I think BMW has a PC-FX that he can lend Joe and Dave.  Hopefully he can twist their arms to get 'em to do a PC-FX episode.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 22, 2015, 07:59:01 AM
Here's the substitute PC-FX episode:

Broken Pixels - Queen of Queens (skip to 6:05)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on January 22, 2015, 08:29:06 AM
That ending...



I have never really thought the Game Chasers were entertaining, wouldn't say I dislike them by any means, some guys really get into their show, but me personally, I don't watch them very often.

Would be cool for Game Sack to do a crossover with Aaron and Rickie from Retro Liberty though.  That would be pretty fun.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 22, 2015, 09:32:44 AM
That ending...



I have never really thought the Game Chasers were entertaining, wouldn't say I dislike them by any means, some guys really get into their show, but me personally, I don't watch them very often.

Would be cool for Game Sack to do a crossover with Aaron and Rickie from Retro Liberty though.  That would be pretty fun.

Apart from them doing the video game years


And that one cross over with Happy Console Gamer over the Y's series (which I think he still needs his revenge for GS tossing his table and stealing his games) I don't think GS has done any other cross over videos.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 26, 2015, 02:03:25 AM
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2gyahbb.jpg)

Ah yes, Burn Cycle. I bought into the hype with the wave of commercials they were putting out for it and bought the PC version. It's mostly a blur, but I don't remember enjoying it all that much. It seems the PC port is the one that got the criticism though while the original CD-i version got high "Best of CD-i '94" ratings/praise.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 31, 2015, 07:30:34 PM
There joe has it up you all happy now !?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 31, 2015, 07:33:34 PM
O H
M Y
JESUS
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on February 01, 2015, 02:30:03 AM
Great episode, terribad system...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 01, 2015, 03:07:13 AM
Very informative.


Terrible system?  I'd say it remains as a system and library of games I continue to be uninterested in.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on February 01, 2015, 03:25:12 AM
FM TOWNS Episode, I demand it...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on February 01, 2015, 03:35:37 AM
There joe has it up you all happy now !?

(http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc390/bigdaddywingnut75/MarioNo.png)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SuperPlay on February 01, 2015, 04:44:06 AM
Great as always :-)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on February 01, 2015, 04:51:36 AM
secret mission... a decent game not covered on the video.

(http://www.gametronik.com/site/rubriques/cdi/Jeux/Secret Mission (E) (En)/Scans/Secret Mission (E) (En) Front.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: PunkicCyborg on February 01, 2015, 05:41:53 AM
HAHAHAHA I've been passivly heckling game sack here, on youtube and sega 16 since they started for a CDi episode. Thanks guys for making my dreams come true!! Now is the time for me to sell my system finally :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on February 01, 2015, 07:53:51 AM
Man the CD-i was a flop.  I always read about it thinking it was the Next Gen machine.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on February 01, 2015, 11:17:23 AM
HAHAHAHA I've been passivly heckling game sack here, on youtube and sega 16 since they started for a CDi episode. Thanks guys for making my dreams come true!! Now is the time for me to sell my system finally :D


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Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 01, 2015, 11:57:49 AM
You idiot, only Dreamcast can think.

...f*ck...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: mackdanger on February 01, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
Kether. f*cking Kether. Yes, many years ago one of my co-workers was getting rid of his CD-i so I bought it off him. I think I paid about a hundred bucks or so. The only game he had with it was some golf game, so I went to the local electronics store to check out the wares. I picked up Kether thinking it was a shooter. I mean, the damn ship has guns all over it. But no, no shooting. After I played Burn Cycle, I pawned that twenty pound P.O.S. onto someone else. Goddamn CD-i.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on February 01, 2015, 12:36:55 PM
secret mission... a decent game not covered on the video.

(http://www.gametronik.com/site/rubriques/cdi/Jeux/Secret Mission (E) (En)/Scans/Secret Mission (E) (En) Front.jpg)


YES!  I loved secret mission.  Use the chloroform!  One of my friends had a dad that always had to buy the latest technology.  Needless to say they had a CD-i.  I actually enjoyed Secret Mission and Burn Cycle.  I liked burn Cycle enough to buy the PC version.  It's not amazing but it's not bad.  Burn Cycle reminds me of "Rise of the Dragon" but digitized, shorter, and not as detailed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 01, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
I wont lie.. I play Tetris on CD-i just for the music.  I like the music A LOT
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on February 01, 2015, 01:29:03 PM
I like how Philips knew the CD-i would be a plague unleashed upon man, so they put in RTC so they would suicide after a given amount of time when enough people have suffered. GG Philips, GG.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on February 01, 2015, 01:53:59 PM
Super. I wonder what their next hardware review will be. FM Towns, Apple Bandai Pippin, Amiga CD32, PCFX...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on February 01, 2015, 02:15:33 PM
I'm surprised we didn't see any Dragon's Lair or Space Ace reviewed on the CDI. Never the less a good episode to start off the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on February 01, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
Enjoyable as always.  It was neat to see some games for the system that don't star Nintendo characters.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 01, 2015, 07:24:08 PM
There joe has it up you all happy now !?

(http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc390/bigdaddywingnut75/MarioNo.png)

Haaa hotel mario good for youtube poop  :wink:

Looks are deceiving when philips cd-i are involved !!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on February 02, 2015, 04:49:54 AM
I enjoyed their review of the cd-i. mever knew it had a shmup, platformer or even a game with hulk hogan.  some of the games theyahowed off were somewhat decent on the system but then again the beat games on the cdi would have been terrible games id it were released on other consoles
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on February 02, 2015, 04:52:33 AM
There joe has it up you all happy now !?

Nope.  There's still no PC-FX episode.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on February 02, 2015, 05:47:31 AM
There joe has it up you all happy now !?

Nope.  There's still no PC-FX episode.  :mrgreen:

not ...yet...
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 02, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
I like how Philips knew the CD-i would be a plague unleashed upon man, so they put in RTC so they would suicide after a given amount of time when enough people have suffered. GG Philips, GG.

Hahaahhahahahahahahaha. Awwwwww, you're being too harsh. :)




I wont lie.. I play Tetris on CD-i just for the music.  I like the music A LOT

I also liked the FMV backgrounds that some (?) of the stages seemed to haven (the waterfall, for example). I know the footage is generic nature stuff, but the quality looks consistent and not random and shoddy.

AND YOU GOTTA RIP THE MUSIC FOR ME... or, record it via analog (oldskool).




HAHAHAHA I've been passivly heckling game sack here, on youtube and sega 16 since they started for a CDi episode. Thanks guys for making my dreams come true!! Now is the time for me to sell my system finally :D


Hahahahahshashs. I can't believe it has finally happened.

I totally enjoyed this episode. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on February 02, 2015, 05:16:18 PM
I always wondered if people who were in charge of making FMV games liked video games.  Did they find playing video games fun?  Did they find playing their Own games fun? 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on February 02, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
I always got the impression that most of the people given creative control of FMV games were film/animation guys who were trying to break into a new field, and who probably weren't really gamers. I imagine them trying the finished product and just going "It's a game, right? It's fun, right?" while the people beneath them nodded and smiled nervously. Meanwhile, the suits just kept their fingers crossed that they were going to strike gold sooner or later. After all, from the perspective of the time, mixing movies and games just sounds like a recipe for success.

This might sound ridiculously unrelated, but I once read an analysis of why the Challenger space shuttle blew up that these FMV games remind me of. What Richard Feynman and others on the Challenger investigation committee criticized of NASA was a sort of "top down" engineering approach. Rather than taking successful existing technology and growing it upward with proven ideas that will work even better, the "top down" approach is that management decides how it will work, and the engineers just have to make it work.

In the Challenger's case, management said that the booster rockets had to be redesigned to split into different sections that are assembled at the launch pad so that they could be manufactured and shipped from far away. This decision had nothing to do with how to build the best possible booster rocket, and everything to do with economics.

In video games, I think you had management insisting on making games based on FMV, and aspiring directors jumping up with promises to deliver when they didn't really have any good ideas for an FMV game design to begin with. Cue the sad programmer who is handed a mountain of footage and told "Make it fun" and there you go.

EDIT: This (http://www.sega-16.com/2008/03/developers-den-digital-pictures/) is a pretty good article on the subject (of FMV games).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 02, 2015, 10:36:04 PM
There joe has it up you all happy now !?

Nope.  There's still no PC-FX episode.  :mrgreen:
To quote mario no !! Maybe you should twist joe's arm to get on it right away  :roll: :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 03, 2015, 03:54:42 AM
AND YOU GOTTA RIP THE MUSIC FOR ME... or, record it via analog (oldskool).

  Someones already done a pretty good recording of it.  Even has a download link for ya.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sadler on February 03, 2015, 04:19:12 AM
Honestly there were more cool games in there than I was expecting. I kinda wish we would have hooked it up now. :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on February 03, 2015, 05:21:47 AM
You'd be wishing we hadn't if we did...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on February 03, 2015, 07:45:15 AM
The article on Digital Pictures was a very interesting read.  I think the most interesting thing was the confidence that Zito seemed to have in his work.  The intention behind Maximum Surge, Digital Pictures final game, having more focus on being a game than a movie makes it sound interesting.  It's a shame that it wasn't released, it'd likely make for a better swan song than any of the others and possibly leave better memories of the genre than all the non-games that we got.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 03, 2015, 08:45:06 AM

I always got the impression that most of the people given creative control of FMV games were film/animation guys who were trying to break into a new field, and who probably weren't really gamers. I imagine them trying the finished product and just going "It's a game, right? It's fun, right?" while the people beneath them nodded and smiled nervously. Meanwhile, the suits just kept their fingers crossed that they were going to strike gold sooner or later. After all, from the perspective of the time, mixing movies and games just sounds like a recipe for success.

This might sound ridiculously unrelated, but I once read an analysis of why the Challenger space shuttle blew up that these FMV games remind me of. What Richard Feynman and others on the Challenger investigation committee criticized of NASA was a sort of "top down" engineering approach. Rather than taking successful existing technology and growing it upward with proven ideas that will work even better, the "top down" approach is that management decides how it will work, and the engineers just have to make it work.

In the Challenger's case, management said that the booster rockets had to be redesigned to split into different sections that are assembled at the launch pad so that they could be manufactured and shipped from far away. This decision had nothing to do with how to build the best possible booster rocket, and everything to do with economics.

In video games, I think you had management insisting on making games based on FMV, and aspiring directors jumping up with promises to deliver when they didn't really have any good ideas for an FMV game design to begin with. Cue the sad programmer who is handed a mountain of footage and told "Make it fun" and there you go.

EDIT: This (http://www.sega-16.com/2008/03/developers-den-digital-pictures/) is a pretty good article on the subject (of FMV games).


Yes, I agree on all points.

Also, it is incredibly hard to create a compelling ___________ (game, novel, album, film) when things are brand new.

You don't have a long history of "best practices" and "exemplary works" to emulate and borrow from.

Think of the earliest 3D polygonal platformers....I actually like Jumping Flash on PlayStation, but it seemed like a huge step backward compared to the  sophistication and precision of 2D platforming.

So, I think FMV could be used, in some situations, to create an enjoyable experience...

FOR EXAMPLE: In the CDi episode of GameSack, I thought there were some nice "Silpheed"-esque moments in "Tetsuo Gaiden" (shootemup) that looked kinda nice. NOTHING GROUNDBREAKING. And, surely, having FMV as a background is limiting. But, I think it is kinda neat.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on February 03, 2015, 10:16:00 AM
I always got the impression that most of the people given creative control of FMV games were film/animation guys who were trying to break into a new field, and who probably weren't really gamers. I imagine them trying the finished product and just going "It's a game, right? It's fun, right?" while the people beneath them nodded and smiled nervously. Meanwhile, the suits just kept their fingers crossed that they were going to strike gold sooner or later. After all, from the perspective of the time, mixing movies and games just sounds like a recipe for success.

This might sound ridiculously unrelated, but I once read an analysis of why the Challenger space shuttle blew up that these FMV games remind me of. What Richard Feynman and others on the Challenger investigation committee criticized of NASA was a sort of "top down" engineering approach. Rather than taking successful existing technology and growing it upward with proven ideas that will work even better, the "top down" approach is that management decides how it will work, and the engineers just have to make it work.

In the Challenger's case, management said that the booster rockets had to be redesigned to split into different sections that are assembled at the launch pad so that they could be manufactured and shipped from far away. This decision had nothing to do with how to build the best possible booster rocket, and everything to do with economics.

In video games, I think you had management insisting on making games based on FMV, and aspiring directors jumping up with promises to deliver when they didn't really have any good ideas for an FMV game design to begin with. Cue the sad programmer who is handed a mountain of footage and told "Make it fun" and there you go.

EDIT: This (http://www.sega-16.com/2008/03/developers-den-digital-pictures/) is a pretty good article on the subject (of FMV games).


It's pretty much the reason David Cage is a "game dev."
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on February 03, 2015, 12:15:13 PM
There was a store in my small town that sold appliances and Tv's and such. I remember going in there with my mom while she paid her bill and they sold CD-I's. It looked so awesome to me as a game loving kid. I always wanted  one just to have, glad I'm over that phase.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on February 03, 2015, 01:20:45 PM
Yes, I agree on all points.

Also, it is incredibly hard to create a compelling ___________ (game, novel, album, film) when things are brand new.

You don't have a long history of "best practices" and "exemplary works" to emulate and borrow from.

Think of the earliest 3D polygonal platformers....I actually like Jumping Flash on PlayStation, but it seemed like a huge step backward compared to the  sophistication and precision of 2D platforming.

So, I think FMV could be used, in some situations, to create an enjoyable experience...

FOR EXAMPLE: In the CDi episode of GameSack, I thought there were some nice "Silpheed"-esque moments in "Tetsuo Gaiden" (shootemup) that looked kinda nice. NOTHING GROUNDBREAKING. And, surely, having FMV as a background is limiting. But, I think it is kinda neat.

Absolutely. You know, I check on the status of Laseractive emulation from time to time because I would really like to give Hyperion a play someday. Among all those chase-view pseudo-3D FMV shooters, it looks like one of the best.

Any auto-scrolling game could have an FMV background and look great. It's a shame it never happened...except for maybe that weird stage from R-Type Final with the silhouette of people having sex. Is that rendered or prerecorded? I'm at work now, so that question will have to wait.

But everything changes when you try to include actors and put them in a central role in the gameplay itself. Whether you're trying to make a human drama or just have realistic action like in Prize Fighter, it seems really difficult to design the interactive side without creating this weird sense of separation between the player and the game.

Did anyone here like Riven? I know it's popular for console gamers to hate on Myst-style games, but I really loved Riven. Beat it without a guide, too. I think that game was on the right track, although I also don't really think of it as an FMV game in particular. It certainly had a lot of the same elements, though.

The article on Digital Pictures was a very interesting read.  I think the most interesting thing was the confidence that Zito seemed to have in his work.  The intention behind Maximum Surge, Digital Pictures final game, having more focus on being a game than a movie makes it sound interesting.  It's a shame that it wasn't released, it'd likely make for a better swan song than any of the others and possibly leave better memories of the genre than all the non-games that we got.

Yep. You can definitely add Maximum Surge to the list of unreleased games that we would just love to see leak out someday.

Whether you find him funny is crucial to how much you can enjoy this, but TheSpoonyExperiment's Let's Plays of Phantasmagoria 2 and Ripper are very interesting. Those two were both from 1996, and I'd say they represent the last, best, most ambitious pushes to make a movie-like FMV game work. Phantasmagoria 2 is maybe the better of the two, but Ripper has a Hollywood cast you wouldn't believe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on February 04, 2015, 08:10:02 AM
A game that I really like, the X-Files for the PS1/Macintosh, was well directed and nothing like the cheesy FMV garbage synonymous with the genre. It came on 4 discs, and as far as I know there's 7 or 8 discs on the PC version, which has much more detail in small things not crucial to the game.

It's really cool, if you wanted you could be the most tarded dickhead ever at the FBI, asking redundant/obvious stuff, being a dick to everyone. :lol:

I always thought I beat this game, but I've always found weird how there wasn't any credit rolls after the last scene. Little I knew that I screwed up in the only part that prevents the player to win, Sierra style. I got seriously pissed off when I decided to investigate about the game's weird "ending" years later on the internet.

The most annoying part of the game is the one where you actually use your handgun.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 05, 2015, 10:37:32 AM
So Joe will Gamesacke be joining Nintendos YouTube partnership program or go the Pewdipie approach and make a twitch post saying f*ck them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 05, 2015, 11:09:54 AM

So Hoe will Gamesacke be joining Nintendos YouTube partnership program or go the Pwedipie approach and Mack a twitch post saying f*ck them.

Wtf
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BrosephPCE on February 05, 2015, 11:19:32 AM
I can't wait for Hoe and Save to release the next Gamesacke episode. It's my favorite YuuToob show.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 05, 2015, 11:20:27 AM

So Hoe will Gamesacke be joining Nintendos YouTube partnership program or go the Pwedipie approach and Mack a twitch post saying f*ck them.

Wtf

Lol. Ducking auto txt.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 05, 2015, 01:26:25 PM
There are honestly quite a few games that have auto scrolling backgrounds of FMV but real sprites and stuff where it's needed. Mr Bones (SS) is pretty great, and nobody cares. All those Euro shooters like ones made from Shin 'En and NG: Dev. Team. These are mostly pre-rendered CG, but it's still FMV. Pulstar and Blazing Star have a bit of it as well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on February 14, 2015, 06:32:39 AM
Alright, the stockings are hung & the cookies are in the oven, to be placed on the mantle for Joe & Dave. Here's hoping they're bringing something spectacular in the ol' Sack, and no more of that CDi jargon. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 14, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 14, 2015, 07:13:43 PM
This was a fun episode.

Many of the games I already have. Well the good ones. 

But some I have yet to get such as the two outrun games on the OG Xbox (didn't one of them have the original arcade Verson of outrun included as an unlockable?)

Those two Sonic games generations and colors as they are the only ones since sonic adventures I have heard are worth owning

The two sonic racing games (I would see but avoid BECAUSE it has Sonic in the title honestly.

And lastly that tennis game.



As for other pre Dreamcast sega games?  Honestly anything they had come out for the Xbox like Shinmu II and such.


Wasn't that Binary Domain game also a Sega game? 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on February 15, 2015, 02:39:07 AM
No Yakuza? Play it if you haven't already Joe, it's seriously worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQCMVYtHlcU

Look at all the stuff you can do :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 15, 2015, 03:17:34 AM
Stupid Sega. Can't even make a good monkey ball game anymore.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: dingsbums on February 15, 2015, 06:32:10 AM
One game I truly missed in that video was Gun Valkyrie.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on February 15, 2015, 09:11:45 AM

The two sonic racing games (I would see but avoid BECAUSE it has Sonic in the title honestly.


We mentioned this. We feel the name would be better if it were Sega All-Stars Racing and Sega All Stars Racing Transformed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on February 15, 2015, 11:01:33 AM
House of the Dead and Out run looked amazing.  I must get those ASAP!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 15, 2015, 11:53:31 AM
House of the Dead and Out run looked amazing.  I must get those ASAP!

I have the Wii verson of over kill.  Might get the PS3 verson. But I don't have the eye or wand or anything else to go with it.  Hmm
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on February 15, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
That must have been the most expensive episode of Game Sack ever, with the destruction of the ultra rare NOT FOR RESALE Sonic the Hedgehog.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on February 15, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
Panzer Dragoon Orta was the reason I bought an old Xbox and is still my favorite game of that generation of consoles.  It looked good, played well, had an interesting storyline, the soundtrack was magnificent, and was loaded with extras. 

...now that I think about it, didn't you guys cover that game in a previous video?  Hmm...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: WoodyXP on February 16, 2015, 02:49:59 AM
No Yakuza? Play it if you haven't already Joe, it's seriously worth it.

Word.  It's the best thing Sega has done since quitting the hardware biz, IMO.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on February 16, 2015, 03:37:57 AM
No PS2 Macross?!

Just kidding. I'm going to rewatch your Outrun episode for more Information on the Xbox games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on February 22, 2015, 03:21:12 PM
No PS2 Macross?!

Just kidding. I'm going to rewatch your Outrun episode for more Information on the Xbox games.
PS3 Macross is just as good if not better. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on February 22, 2015, 05:45:37 PM
Is it? I haven't played it, so I can't judge. But I had a lot of fun with the PS2 game and its missions based on the original 1982 TV series and 1984 movie storyline. I don't have interest in any other later series of the Macross franchise, especially not for Frontier.

I didn't read reviews for the game that was sold along with the DYRL Blu-ray as a bonus. Plus, I don't own a PS3. Could you please go into deeper detail about the PS3 Macross game(s)?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on February 23, 2015, 01:30:56 AM
Is it? I haven't played it, so I can't judge. But I had a lot of fun with the PS2 game and its missions based on the original 1982 TV series and 1984 movie storyline. I don't have interest in any other later series of the Macross franchise, especially not for Frontier.

I didn't read reviews for the game that was sold along with the DYRL Blu-ray as a bonus. Plus, I don't own a PS3. Could you please go into deeper detail about the PS3 Macross game(s)?

Its basically a Macross RPG which Macross fans have asked for years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross_30:_Voices_across_the_Galaxy
An awesome game, too bad it isn't in English..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on February 23, 2015, 02:47:12 AM
Oh well, thanks. I think I'll take a look at some videos later on. But seeing the blue-haired beauty Minmay being horribly ugly drawn on the cover and hearing of RPG elements doesn't set my expectations on fire, you know. It's no SEGA game, unlike Macross on PS2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on February 28, 2015, 06:10:52 PM
New Game Sack, Sunsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrmx3UKfhU

Does Joe typically ninja episodes up in the middle of the night?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 28, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
New Game Sack, Sunsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrmx3UKfhU

Does Joe typically ninja episodes up in the middle of the night?
Ahh sunsoft was great on the nes/famicom,then afterwards it went all down hill.Though the last games i really enjoyed by them is albert odyssey and waku waku 7.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on February 28, 2015, 07:42:51 PM
New Game Sack, Sunsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrmx3UKfhU

Does Joe typically ninja episodes up in the middle of the night?


No!

This is how we do things:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on March 01, 2015, 12:14:34 AM
Great episode as always. Sun soft has many great games and a very distinct high quality spirt look that remained CONSISTANT throughtoit their run when developed in-house.

Those Neo Geo MVS honestly makes me feel that Capcom lifted the color pallet and look of the mega Man Zero games from Sunsoft. Looking at that female fighter in their Neo Geo game really makes me think of how Zero looked in those GBA games. Hmmmm


As for some of those other NES games I will keep an eye out. But personally for me my favorite is Gremlins 2. Loved the movie a kid and loved the game as well. One of the few games my parents were ever able to buy for me when I originally had my NES and one of the few games I refused to give away when my mother made me give the NES and games to a family friend prior to them getting me a SNES. My mother thought I was being selfish and weird for holding onto NES games when my system was being given away but I had such a connection to them I couldn't part. Those being Megaman 2, Gremlins 2, Battale Toads and TMNT 2.

Even with my copy of Battle Toads no longer working I still hold onto it purely because it reminds me of my parents. I even shared this story with my mom just the other day while she is visiting. She said she had no idea I still had them or that I appreciated them so much even now that I am in my 30s about to have my first child.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: CAPSLOCK on March 01, 2015, 01:21:46 AM
Man I always look forward to a new game sack! "when you defeat each stages assistant manager" haha that made me laugh!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on March 01, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
New Game Sack, Sunsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrmx3UKfhU

Does Joe typically ninja episodes up in the middle of the night?


No!

This is how we do things:

http://youtu.be/aCrmx3UKfhU
We let Google track our web activity by embedding?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 01, 2015, 02:16:07 AM
Sunsoft was very good with music on the NES/Famicom, could be my favorite, that or Capcom.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on March 01, 2015, 02:50:10 AM
YES!  I love these developer episodes and Sunsoft is one of my personal favorites.  Awesome episode.  Shame on Joe for not being able to finish Journey to Silius.  That is one of my personal favorite games on the NES.  It is hard to compare it to Contra though.  You can't just run and blast your way through Silius like you can in Contra.  You must take your time and think of the best ways to attack without getting hit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on March 01, 2015, 06:54:45 AM
Yeah, I liked this SunSoft episode. Blaster Master was a great game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: poponon on March 01, 2015, 07:10:19 AM
Sunsoft episode was awesome. Making me consider getting back into nes
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 01, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
My God the little skit at the end with all those Super Rare + Expensive carts and CD's.  Neo Turf Masters AES is like a $3,000-$4,000 Game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: poponon on March 01, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
My God the little skit at the end with all those Super Rare + Expensive carts and CD's.  Neo Turf Masters AES is like a $3,000-$4,000 Game.

Just went back and re-watched that part. I'm liking the coincidental placement of all those games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 01, 2015, 11:24:30 AM
Seriously that's thousands of dollars in games right there, that is no mistake.  It's borderline pornography as far as I am concerned. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 01, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
New Game Sack, Sunsoft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrmx3UKfhU

Does Joe typically ninja episodes up in the middle of the night?


No!

This is how we do things:

http://youtu.be/aCrmx3UKfhU
We let Google track our web activity by embedding?


Oh absolutely! Absolutely, Oprah!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 05, 2015, 08:57:30 AM
I'm going to rewatch your Outrun episode for more Information on the Xbox games.
Did that. And then bought a used Outrun 2006 Coast to Coast for PC.

....after three days of playing I've come to my personal conclusion:
What a f*cking great game this is! Still looks gorgeous despite being almost a decade old and runs blazing fast on my laptop. Oh, and the music... So many catchy tunes. I have a special thing for the Magical Sound Shower Euro Remix, but even the original 1986 songs are very fitting.

Joe, I remember you mentioned the somewhat twitchy controls of SP/2006, and I agree. I have no trouble drifting, but as soon as drifting ends on some straights or trying to switch lanes without drifting, the Ferrari tends to be a bit nervous. I guess I can live with that.

Many thanks for your OutRun video! And it's too bad that After Burner Climax isn't available anymore. I could give myself a severe kicking for not having purchased it a few months before it was taken down.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on March 09, 2015, 04:27:56 AM
I just felt the need to add this:

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8700/16739276246_bac0ee3258_z.jpg)
Game Sack Cat by xelement5x, on Flickr

I had gotten this awesome Game Sack bag from Joe Redifer awhile ago and have been using it to store some of my extra Saturn controllers.  My cat seems to have taken a liking to the texture or something though and was snuggling it last night and trying to knock it over to lay on top of.  Figured I would snap a picture at least.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 09, 2015, 05:38:38 AM
That's a pretty hairy pussy you got there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on March 09, 2015, 06:38:54 AM
I see a CD-i tetris in that picture...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on March 09, 2015, 07:27:01 AM
I see a CD-i tetris in that picture...

Lol, I figure you would probably recognize all the contents of that box. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 09, 2015, 07:33:17 AM
Glad the bag is getting some use! We designed it specially to be tasty to cats.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on March 09, 2015, 08:11:07 AM
I just felt the need to add this:

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8700/16739276246_bac0ee3258_z.jpg)
Game Sack Cat by xelement5x, on Flickr

I had gotten this awesome Game Sack bag from Joe Redifer awhile ago and have been using it to store some of my extra Saturn controllers.  My cat seems to have taken a liking to the texture or something though and was snuggling it last night and trying to knock it over to lay on top of.  Figured I would snap a picture at least.  :P

Cat Sack!

A game where you toss your cat around in said sack. He wants to play.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 09, 2015, 11:01:58 AM
/lesson start

In Germany, there's a saying "Die Katze im Sack kaufen" (translates to: to buy the cat in the sack), which means something like "to buy a pig in a poke".

/lesson end
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on March 09, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
Die Bart! Die!

The Bart! The!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on March 09, 2015, 07:37:17 PM
That's all well and good, but I don't understand the idiom "to buy a pig in a poke."
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 09, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
It's like buying a videogame that you just judge by it's fancy packaging, when it could turn out being a bad game inside instead.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 14, 2015, 08:21:54 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on March 15, 2015, 01:47:44 AM
But but Femenist Frequentcy told me there are no female protagonist who are not straw Femenist that only serve to propel the male power fantasy and story.


I am so confused. 



INTERNET SAVE ME!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 15, 2015, 05:22:04 AM
Another great video.  Super Metroid is by far the best on this list.  What a game!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 15, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
You finally convinced me to play the Monster World Collection on the Xbox 369. MW IV is so lovely.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on March 15, 2015, 11:59:09 AM
I never want to hear about Super Metroid from anyone else ever again. It's like listening to a song from Nirvana's Nevermind.  I know it's good, but I can't anymore.

That aside, great video.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 15, 2015, 12:36:07 PM

I never want to hear about Super Metroid from anyone else ever again. It's like listening to a song from Nirvana's Nevermind.  I know it's good, but I can't anymore.

That aside, great video.

I hear you.

But there are a lot of younger folks who have yet to play Super Metroid, so it is a nice gesture to encourage them to play the game.

But, in general, it is nice when folks go beyond the "Top __" games for any given system.

I think Game Sack does a good job of not reducing the libraries to popularity contests...although it is hard to avoid it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: poponon on March 15, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
Amazing episode, I really liked the tongue in cheek towards the recent "gamergate" or whatever you want to call it.

HOW CUD U FORGET LEILA FROM ROLLING THUNDER 2  THO!! WTFFFFF

(http://www.1up-games.com/md/rollingthunder2/leila.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 15, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
We were going for games were the female is the lead. You can elect to not play as the chick in Rolling Thunder 2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 15, 2015, 01:02:57 PM
We were going for games were the female is the lead. You can elect to not play as the chick in Rolling Thunder 2.

El Viento is way better than the Valis games (if you're only going to cover one Telenet game/series), but you've covered it before.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on March 15, 2015, 01:10:43 PM
I never want to hear about Super Metroid from anyone else ever again. It's like listening to a song from Nirvana's Nevermind.  I know it's good, but I can't anymore.

That aside, great video.

Yeah, f*ck Nirvana!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on March 15, 2015, 01:28:44 PM
I never want to hear about Super Metroid from anyone else ever again. It's like listening to a song from Nirvana's Nevermind.  I know it's good, but I can't anymore.

That aside, great video.


Yeah, f*ck Nirvana!


(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/d5/d578b56acb7c1791315d06f985385c87fc00f6b62faec8ef5af22b2b753d4191.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on March 15, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
Fausette Armor? Popful Mail? The Guardian Legend? Cotton? Magical Chase?  Hmm... Sounds to me there is enough to get a follow up episode going. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: poponon on March 15, 2015, 02:02:27 PM
We were going for games were the female is the lead. You can elect to not play as the chick in Rolling Thunder 2.

Was just joking, but i see what you mean.

Again great episode - makes me wanna try getting into MW4 again. Haven't gaven  Valis a fair shot yet either
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 15, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
Fausette Armor? Popful Mail? The Guardian Legend? Cotton? Magical Chase?  Hmm... Sounds to me there is enough to get a follow up episode going. :)

Send me Magical Chase. It needs to be complete mint VGA 85++ in order to be covered, though.

The Guardian Legend is a good one and also one that really surprised me.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 15, 2015, 04:52:48 PM
We were going for games were the female is the lead. You can elect to not play as the chick in Rolling Thunder 2.

El Viento is way better than the Valis games (if you're only going to cover one Telenet game/series), but you've covered it before.

:)

El Viento vs. Valis III (TG-CD)? :)

No way, Valis III pulls ahead.

:)




This is not really for you, DragonMasterDan, but this is really just a rehash of what I used 10-15 years ago to defend VALIS III from El Viento fans.

I've played and beaten El Viento countless times and I like it, certainly. But it is not not without its shortcomings.

So, here we go...
[rant]






I know folks love El Viento and Wolf Team, but Valis III doesn't have the UGLY PIXELATED EXPLODING EVERYTHING (I like to joke about the OCTOPI or whatever those things are in the sea stage, but every stage suffers for it).

GRATUTUITOUS PIXELATION + goofy explosion SFX = destruction of atmosphere, detracts from music, etc. This automatically disqualifies El Viento from being a serious contender to Valis III, and I haven't even started on how the level designs in El Viento (back and forth, back and forth, back and forth) are NOT better than Valis III (admittedly, level design had never been amazingly inspired in Valis series, but Valis III > El Viento).

Parodius Da! For example, is a great game that has GIANT PIXELATION FX inspired by SNES. Parodius is a thoroughly solid game, though, which lessens its offensiveness. Not so for El Viento, where the giant pixelated explosions seem like a garish joke that is used over and over and over. 

The exploding "tiny round logs" and "bricks" are another example of how the OVERLY LOUD SFX really become grating because Annet destroys thousands of these damn things.

VALIS III offers superior atmosphere, music, level design, three-player-switching, satisfaction from SOLVING CHALLENGES (via character choice and magic), story, cinemas, etc etc.

....dare I say character design! Seriously!

Valis III is far more satisfying to progress in (solving challenges is rewarding) and also the game that has more replayability. At least for me, anyway.

Valis III will always be a second-class game to the Great Ones, but it is closer to the first-class than El Viento.

[/rant]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on March 16, 2015, 05:07:09 AM
Surprised Alisia Dragoon didn't make the video.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on March 16, 2015, 05:11:09 AM
Surprised Alisia Dragoon didn't make the video.

I think they were trying to mention games they have not already discussed in previous episodes. Or at lest limit it a bit to make it more interesting.


Good news is there are tons of other games to pick from for many more installments.


Even our very own princess peach
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on March 16, 2015, 05:19:06 AM
I mean from the Joe is a FEKA Fanboy angle.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on March 16, 2015, 05:42:14 AM
No Princess Misa?!?  You are dead to me!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 16, 2015, 06:40:34 AM
'Beyond Good And Evil' definitely merited an inclusion.

Shoulda dropped Space Channel 5. I'm sure Dave wouldn't disagree.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on March 16, 2015, 06:51:44 AM
maybe if someone could send them an Athena PCB because the NES port is terrible
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 16, 2015, 07:00:10 AM
maybe if someone could send them an Athena PCB because the NES port is terrible

I guess I gotta spend some more time with arcade version of Athena. I have only played it via emulation, years ago.

I actually have a life-long mission to continue playing the NES version of Athena (I know I'll never really beat it...I  can't believe this game didn't get tweaked before release...it could have been awesome, especially for the time it was released.)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 17, 2015, 08:10:35 PM

I know folks love El Viento and Wolf Team, but Valis III doesn't have the UGLY PIXELATED EXPLODING EVERYTHING (I like to joke about the OCTOPI or whatever those things are in the sea stage, but every stage suffers for it).


Aw hell no! Pixelated graphics are AWESOME! That's REAL SCALING ACTION MOTHERf*ckER! If pixelated graphics weren't the monkey's tit, then WHY WAS THE SNES FULL OF SIMILAR PIXELATED GRAPHICS?????? We all know the SNES was the best in every aspect. Betcha can't answer that one! If it wasn't done on SNES, then it wasn't any good. BAM another one shut down!

Quote

'Beyond Good And Evil' definitely merited an inclusion.

Shoulda dropped Space Channel 5. I'm sure Dave wouldn't disagree.


That was all on Dave. He was considering Beyond Good and Evil but chose Space Channel 5 instead. I don't know why. I tried to convince him not to choose Space Channel 5. I personally have never liked that game and don't understand why it is so admired. If he had the Dreamcast version he wouldn't be allowed to do it since he can't record the Dreamcast in 480p, but he had the PS2 version which is 480i only which he can record (he can also record PS2 in 480p). The PS2 was pretty shitty when it came to video output. Very few 480p games. Tomb Raider Anniversary was 480p and that looked great. So many PS2 developers missed the boat. Interlaced anything is for losers.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 17, 2015, 09:49:23 PM
The only rhythm game I tried so far is Rhythm heaven for the Wii. I halfway suck in that game, but I still think it makes fun. Good thing is that it is more about keeping in sync with the beat, and less about remembering long strings of button combinations.

And once you have seen the NSFW fan video of remix no. 10, you can't unsee it anymore when you play the game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on March 18, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
Oh yeah I forgot about that crappy Parappa the Rappa Sequel Unjammer Lammy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: InfraMan on March 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Oh yeah I forgot about that crappy Parappa the Rappa Sequel Unjammer Lammy.

I liked UmJammer Lammy more than Parappa. Especially the original Japanese version. :twisted:

Then again, I like rhythm games in general.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on March 20, 2015, 08:17:41 PM
I think I've pretty much caught up on the show now.  I actually only found out about it when I was hunting YouTube for Ys version comparisons.  I feel like a dummy because it wasn't until about a month ago that I realized Joe was "Moderator Joe" on here.

You guys have really improved a lot since the early episodes.  In particular, Dave's readings don't sound quite so forced these days.   Game Grumps, JonTron, and Game Sack are about the only gaming shows on YouTube I can stand to watch recently; the former two for their humor and Game Sack for being a well-produced and edited, genuinely informative gaming show.

I'd really like to see an episode on games with controversial content.  I only say this because I desperately want to see more people talk about the Exile games in depth and make note of the changes (intentional and otherwise) made for the US versions.  C'mon, Joe, make it happen!

P.S. If we're discussing rhythm games, have you guys played Gitaroo Man!?  Such an awesome and overlooked little game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 21, 2015, 01:46:30 AM


I liked UmJammer Lammy more than Parappa. Especially the original Japanese version. :twisted:

Then again, I like rhythm games in general.

I agree.

It's Parappa 2 that's lousy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: InfraMan on March 21, 2015, 07:42:58 AM
P.S. If we're discussing rhythm games, have you guys played Gitaroo Man!?  Such an awesome and overlooked little game.

I LOVE Gitaroo Man! I can still hear that acoustic theme from stage 6 in my head, lol. 8)

I also really like the underrated Taiko Drum Master on PS2... I lived in an upstairs apartment back when that one first came out, and it's a wonder the people living below me didn't kill me in my sleep.



I agree.

It's Parappa 2 that's lousy.

Yep, Parappa 2 was an abomination. [-(

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 28, 2015, 07:30:01 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on March 28, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
This episode better be about Queen of Queens.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 28, 2015, 08:37:06 PM
Zenki looks great but where to find it? I'm guessing the asking prices on that one are through the roof.

I do though own that Chip Chan Kick game that Dave reviewed. So far it's the only game I've had some fun with on the PC-FX.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on March 29, 2015, 03:43:56 AM
The PC-FX - Game Sack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7qGy1jxsM0#ws)


I thought the SuperGrafx was the follow up to the PC Engine, not the PC-FX?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on March 29, 2015, 04:16:55 AM
Super grafx was kind of mid cycle.  It came out in 1989 I think.

Opposite to most Game Sack episodes I think this might make fewer people buy the PC-FX.  Usually GS episodes increase the popularity of a system...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 29, 2015, 04:37:24 AM
Opposite to most Game Sack episodes I think this might make fewer people buy the PC-FX.  Usually GS episodes increase the popularity of a system...

From the horses mouth,  :P

If anything our episode will make the price go DOWN!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 29, 2015, 04:39:08 AM
*double post*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on March 29, 2015, 05:08:17 AM
Now I am sure this episode wasn't the entire library just what Joe has.


And now that it is DOB people can stop asking for it.


Now that I see an informative video about it.  Ehhhh

The system has only two games I found interesting to a degree.

It would be more of a novelty then anything
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: poponon on March 29, 2015, 07:21:12 AM
Only game that looked interesting enough to warrant a new console was zenki. Shame
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on March 29, 2015, 12:35:42 PM
System makes me angry, like legit mad...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on March 29, 2015, 03:44:17 PM
This is the game that makes PC-FX worth it

Queen of Queens
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 29, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
Super grafx was kind of mid cycle.  It came out in 1989 I think.

Opposite to most Game Sack episodes I think this might make fewer people buy the PC-FX.  Usually GS episodes increase the popularity of a system...
Well i'm still not sold on one having a pc-engine is enough for me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on March 29, 2015, 09:14:47 PM
It's a shame Dave didn't find the Miraculuum FAQ or the intro to Fire Woman Matoigumi the that's on the PC-FX society site. I would have liked to hear a few more of his thoughts on those.

When it comes to Nirgends, the final game in the video, Japanese reviews seem to be unanimous: the gameplay part is crap, but story-wise it's perhaps the best written game on the system.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 30, 2015, 05:42:39 AM
Why make a system with Turbo Guts and not able to play Turbo games?  This is system was a total cock up.


Shame
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 30, 2015, 12:20:44 PM
Agree 100%. It should be able to play Turbo Games. It would be awesome to play with with native, built-in S-video. But NEC and Hudson are dumb. They make Sega's console choices look brilliant.

Quote from: SamIAm
It's a shame Dave didn't find the Miraculuum FAQ or the intro to Fire Woman Matoigumi the that's on the PC-FX society site.

Yeah I think Dave mostly sticks with sites he knows like GameFAQs.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on March 30, 2015, 02:15:20 PM
Why make a system with Turbo Guts and not able to play Turbo games?  This is system was a total cock up.

It doesn't actually have any PCE hardware in it other than the sound chip.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on March 30, 2015, 02:17:11 PM
It doesn't actually have any PCE hardware in it other than the sound chip.

No, it's got the graphics processor, too. Two of them, actually. Had they included a Hucard port, they could have made it backwards compatible with the Supergrafx.

The only major component that it's missing is the CPU.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on March 30, 2015, 02:26:05 PM
Cool. Didn't know that. Always thought it was completely different hardware. Would have been interesting if it had been made backward compatible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on March 30, 2015, 02:57:41 PM
Agree 100%. It should be able to play Turbo Games. It would be awesome to play with with native, built-in S-video. But NEC and Hudson are dumb. They make Sega's console choices look brilliant.

So the PC-FX should have only been sold as a box that plugs into the HuCard port of PC Engine systems, with a cable hooking into a video port and used a second power supply... and been released the same day as a much more powerful stand-alone console that NEC/Hudson fully supported as the true successor to the PC Engine?



Cool. Didn't know that. Always thought it was completely different hardware. Would have been interesting if it had been made backward compatible.

That's why so many elements of PC-FX games, like all(?) sprites look like PCE graphics. It really is the PCE equivalent of the 32X.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on March 30, 2015, 03:56:14 PM
That's why so many elements of PC-FX games, like all(?) sprites look like PCE graphics. It really is the PCE equivalent of the 32X.

Yeah, a lot of games do. Why is it that even though the system supports higher resolution graphics than the PCE, there still seem to be some games where the sprites look like they could've been done on PCE?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 30, 2015, 04:01:54 PM
Agree 100%. It should be able to play Turbo Games. It would be awesome to play with with native, built-in S-video. But NEC and Hudson are dumb. They make Sega's console choices look brilliant.

So the PC-FX should have only been sold as a box that plugs into the HuCard port of PC Engine systems, with a cable hooking into a video port and used a second power supply... and been released the same day as a much more powerful stand-alone console that NEC/Hudson fully supported as the true successor to the PC Engine?


Hell yeah! It would have been hella cheaper for sure. Who was stupid enough to pay full retail for a PC-FX at launch when it cost more than the Saturn and Playstation which had already been released? But it couldn't have a wire because NEC stupidly not not supply us with an RGB jack. I suppose it could hook onto the expansion port. The 32X was not released on the same day as the Saturn. Not here anyway (I know you pay no attention to the US market at all).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on March 30, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
I would guess it probably would have sold even worse as an expansion. Look at the 32X. It sold only 665,000 units whereas the Saturn sold 9.5 million. Look at the Arcade Card. People seem more willing to buy a whole new system than an expansion.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 30, 2015, 05:35:15 PM
How much did the Arcade Card sell? Maybe PCE owners were just fickle? 32X sold over 6 times what the PC-FX did. Though honestly I'd compare the SuperGrafx to the 32X before I'd compare the PC-FX to it. Even though the 32X seemed to be much more powerful than either.

As for the Arcade Card, my uninformed theory would be that they made a mistake calling it the ARCADE Card. Why not System Card 4.0? Or Ultra CD or some shit? And what did it have to show for itself? Mostly fighting games. I think PCE owners weren't really into the fighting games as much as into other genres.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on March 30, 2015, 05:50:49 PM
Yeah... I can't find any sales data for the Arcade Card, but considering the small library of games for it I think it's pretty safe to say it wasn't very widely adopted.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on March 30, 2015, 05:53:50 PM
I enjoyed the Game Sack episode on the PC-FX ... thanks.  :)

Pretty much echoes my feelings on its software library.

As for the Arcade Card, my uninformed theory would be that they made a mistake calling it the ARCADE Card. Why not System Card 4.0? Or Ultra CD or some shit? And what did it have to show for itself? Mostly fighting games. I think PCE owners weren't really into the fighting games as much as into other genres.

Weren't the arcades full of fighting games at the time? I seem to remember that they were still the hot genre at the time that the Arcade Card came out ... which was also why the Duo-RX came with a 6-button pad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on March 30, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
That's probably it. Wasn't Art of Fighting the Arcade Card's "release game"? It's kind of ironic considering the direction they took with the PC-FX, but I think they were going after the arcade-game-at-home appeal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 31, 2015, 05:31:38 AM
PC-FX is the weirdest console of all times.  It's almost like NEC was just begging for it to fail so they could go back to just making electronics....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on March 31, 2015, 06:06:22 AM
PC-FX is the weirdest console of all times.  It's almost like NEC was just begging for it to fail so they could go back to just making electronics....

If they didn't waver and actually pushed the original "ironman" hardware when it was time, they would have been in a much better spot I think...

The latter choices by NEC/Hudson were really f*cked up. There should have never been a Shuttle (sorry shuttle lovers) or Supergrafx, I understand doing the Arcade card as a last push as fighters were huge at the time.

Maybe when time travel becomes a thing we can go back and smack some heads around...



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on March 31, 2015, 10:42:10 AM

That's probably it. Wasn't Art of Fighting the Arcade Card's "release game"? It's kind of ironic considering the direction they took with the PC-FX, but I think they were going after the arcade-game-at-home appeal.


Yeah, I don't think it was surprising at all. In fact, it was exactly what you would expect a company to do...

http://archives.tg-16.com/Dengeki_PC_Engine_1994_03.htm

http://archives.tg-16.com/Dengeki_PC_Engine_1994_05.htm

http://archives.tg-16.com/Dengeki_PC_Engine_1994_07.htm

http://archives.tg-16.com/Dengeki_PC_Engine_1994_10.htm
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on March 31, 2015, 11:14:22 AM
32X sold over 6 times what the PC-FX did.

I'm sure the $20 clearance bin price tags had something to do with that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 31, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
Maybe. But at least it sold. Even at launch it was way lower in cost.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 31, 2015, 11:26:11 AM


I'm sure the $20 clearance bin price tags had something to do with that.

Hey, mine was 19.99 AND came with Virtual Fighter. That's a penny less and a free game :-D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: kazekirifx on March 31, 2015, 07:24:54 PM
I'm sure the $20 clearance bin price tags had something to do with that.

It's funny that you mention that. I remember seeing some brand new PC-FX's for dirt cheap too, here in Japan around 2001 or so. Thanks to that, there are still plenty of units in the wild in good condition.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 03, 2015, 04:39:45 AM
I honest to god thought that a Saturn was a 1-unit Sega Genesis, Sega CD, 32X.  It had that cartridge slot in the back and all and I was some idiot junior high kid at the time.  I bought Panzer Dragoon thinking that I could play it in my Sega CD since I also had a 32X. 

I was quite disappointed in the results, to say the least.  Playing Saturn games was why I bought a 32X to begin with.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 06, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
32X sold over 6 times what the PC-FX did.

The Saturn sold 16 times what 32X did and was its worst enemy.

The same thing that killed the SuperGrafx is what kept the Arcade Card from taking off. The current PCE hardware at the time was good enough and the current popular format for software was a safer bet for 3rd party publishers.

The Sega Mark III was Sega's second console. If NEC/Hudson had launched the PC-FX worldwide with a PCE user base of 30 - 40 million, then it likely would have fared better as well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 07, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
This was one of the better Gamesacks to me because the forced humor didn't show up until the end, but a few things bothered me:

1) No Yuna? wtf.  No Rolfee? uagdkljdfhklj
2) They didn't mention the FXGA or any of that (like the 3D Star Soldier demo, etc.)
3) The comment about it not being a worthy successor to the PCE irked me too.   I don't think two white dudes who can't noodlecart are allowed to comment on a game library that they mostly can't actually experience, lol.

In all honesty, the machine has the makings of a solid machine for that era.  A few more Zeroigar and Zenki like games, better versions of games like Ruruli Ra Rura, and you're doing pretty good.  More Team Innocent style adventure games?  even better.

The PS1 and Saturn both have similar RPG/Digital Comic games.   Some of which are PC-FX games too, as the video mentioned.

The problem was more that it just didn't catch on for whatever reason, didn't sell amazingly well, and didn't get the library it deserved.   I'd be curious to see why certain development companies didn't go all in with the machine and create stuff.   A Valis game on PC-FX would be excellent.   



Also, I thought Nirgends was awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 07, 2015, 02:45:22 PM
1 - No clue WTF a Rolfee is. I axed SamIAm for some advice and recommendations on the system and he never mentioned this Rolfee nonsense. I don't think he recommended Yuna.
1a - Just looked up Rolfee. I don't think the episode would have improved if that was in there.
2 - We didn't have any of that nonsense. If we mention something, we should probably show it.
3 - Do you think it was a worth successor to the PCE? I'm 100% confident it was not. So is Japan. They didn't buy it for shit. The PC-FX is Japan's Jaguar. Or maybe even their CD-i. Despite not being able to read the RPGs, you can pretty much tell what kind of games they are. And you can tell they were NOT top-tier stuff. Anyone who believes they are is deluding themselves. Personally I liked Boundary Gate. I think if Dave had not mentioned the language barrier in most of his segments people wouldn't go on and on in the comments about the language. but he did and now they focused on that because they saw it as complaining and giving the games a bad rep because of it (which he did not).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on April 07, 2015, 02:56:46 PM
1 - No clue WTF a Rolfee is. I axed SamIAm for some advice and recommendations on the system and he never mentioned this Rolfee nonsense. I don't think he recommended Yuna.
1a - Just looked up Rolfee. I don't think the episode would have improved if that was in there.
2 - We didn't have any of that nonsense. If we mention something, we should probably show it.
3 - Do you think it was a worth successor to the PCE? I'm 100% confident it was not. So is Japan. They didn't buy it for shit. The PC-FX is Japan's Jaguar. Or maybe even their CD-i. Despite not being able to read the RPGs, you can pretty much tell what kind of games they are. And you can tell they were NOT top-tier stuff. Anyone who believes they are is deluding themselves. Personally I liked Boundary Gate. I think if Dave had not mentioned the language barrier in most of his segments people wouldn't go on and on in the comments about the language. but he did and now they focused on that because they saw it as complaining and giving the games a bad rep because of it (which he did not).
  Ugh... Dave f*cks up everything!!! Lol [emoji39]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 07, 2015, 03:14:12 PM

1 - No clue WTF a Rolfee is. I axed SamIAm for some advice and recommendations on the system and he never mentioned this Rolfee nonsense. I don't think he recommended Yuna.
1a - Just looked up Rolfee. I don't think the episode would have improved if that was in there.
2 - We didn't have any of that nonsense. If we mention something, we should probably show it.
3 - Do you think it was a worth successor to the PCE? I'm 100% confident it was not. So is Japan. They didn't buy it for shit. The PC-FX is Japan's Jaguar. Or maybe even their CD-i. Despite not being able to read the RPGs, you can pretty much tell what kind of games they are. And you can tell they were NOT top-tier stuff. Anyone who believes they are is deluding themselves. Personally I liked Boundary Gate. I think if Dave had not mentioned the language barrier in most of his segments people wouldn't go on and on in the comments about the language. but he did and now they focused on that because they saw it as complaining and giving the games a bad rep because of it (which he did not).

Hahahahahshashs.

Joe, I thought YOU had final edit. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 07, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
I do but if I take out chunks of what he says then the segment doesn't make sense and has gaps missing. I should have edited his script and removed them. But again the problem with that is I'd have to come up with something to replace those parts and not having played all of the games he did, I would be at a loss of what to say. But seriously, if we didn't mention the language thing so much hardly anyone who watched the video would mention it in their comments. They generally don't in our Left in Japan series and nobody uttered a peep about it in the X68000 episode. So we should have just left well enough alone. Though I did like speeding through the Dragon Knight 4 text. I wonder if that pissed anyone off. "Nooooooo you're not supposed to go through it so faaaaast!!" Anyway like I said, people are taking the language mentions as complaining about the games themselves and they are taking it the wrong way and have problems with basic comprehension.

The episode is performing fairly well, though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 07, 2015, 07:48:56 PM
I like that PC-FX episode for sharing honest impressions.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 07, 2015, 10:45:18 PM

I do but if I take out chunks of what he says then the segment doesn't make sense and has gaps missing. I should have edited his script and removed them. But again the problem with that is I'd have to come up with something to replace those parts and not having played all of the games he did, I would be at a loss of what to say. But seriously, if we didn't mention the language thing so much hardly anyone who watched the video would mention it in their comments. They generally don't in our Left in Japan series and nobody uttered a peep about it in the X68000 episode. So we should have just left well enough alone. Though I did like speeding through the Dragon Knight 4 text. I wonder if that pissed anyone off. "Nooooooo you're not supposed to go through it so faaaaast!!" Anyway like I said, people are taking the language mentions as complaining about the games themselves and they are taking it the wrong way and have problems with basic comprehension.

The episode is performing fairly well, though.

I was just teasing you. :) Of course, there are creative solutions that would have worked, but I understand your preferences.

I made this point in a different thread (in PC-FX section), but it was important to simply educate folks about this console's existence.

It was the necessary first step. GameSack did more to actually educate folks on the PC-FX's existence...

Now, however, it is the burden of someone else to make a video that illustrates the unique, admirable or intriguing aspects of the system and its library of games.



Also, I just want to say that I really enjoyed the CD-i episode! I loved it. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on April 08, 2015, 04:18:50 AM
I think my only quibble was at one point, and I forget who said it (probably Dave), there was mention of it being a "family-friendly show" just a short while after a game necessitating censor bars to cover up explicit sex acts had been featured.  I was kind of forced to assume sarcasm, but it definitely didn't come across that way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 08, 2015, 08:42:21 AM
At least mentioning the mascot would have been fun at the very least.

You should've asked me for recommendations/borrowed stuff, lol.  I even have the goofy homebrew stuff, and maybe some spare stuff still that you could've just kept. Return to Zork would have been another cool one to show.

I think, on paper, the PC-FX is a worthy PCE successor.    It's a pretty beautiful machine.

The library is a mixed bag depending on who you ask.     Boundary Gate is a pretty top notch dungeon crawling RPG.   It was also on Playstation, and was a pretty well received game overall.

The strategy games are also good.  Sparkling Feather in particular was a good one for me.

But, unfortunately, the PC-FX essentially only has the niche games.   Digital Comics, RPGs, and Strategy games. 

had they launched with less FMV-tastic action games, I think the thing would have caught on way better, and would have encouraged more games.    The PC-FX is seemingly easier to code for than the Sega Saturn, for example.

So, we could've had a bunch of shooters,  and arcade-action games, if they weren't investing all their time into more FMV games.

The language barrier issue for me is, you can't really properly review RPGs and such without knowing the story.   The story/characters often make up for any shortcomings the mechanics may have.    If you can't read them, you miss out.   

So, while you're not complaining, you're essentially just commenting on the mechanics which will generally boil down to "you walk around, there's menus, you fight stuff", which applies to basically every JRPG ever.

So, there just isn't much to say about sim / rpg games if you aren't able to talk about the characters and story.  That content is the meat of the game.

That's what the PC-FX boils down to for me when I describe it to someone:

"Can you read / understand Japanese at least enough to fumble through a game?  No?  Well, then you might wanna pass on it because the 4 action games on it cost a metric f*ckton."

I personally never saw the point of fingerbanging your way through an RPG without knowing what you're even doing.   It just seems pointless.

It's unfortunate, really.   and it hurts peoples brains to try and comprehend that there's a video game machine that they more or less can't do much with.     every other Japanese machine, you can import and get away with playing a shitload of action games without worrying.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 08, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
The PC-FX is the inverse of the N64 and as such, I prefer the library over the N64s, even though I don't consider myself a big PC-FX fan. 2D games are a big deal to me and having even just Zenki and Zerogaier goes a long way towards tipping the scales for me. But RPGs and games filled with lots of art, cinemas and "redbook" music and voice acting, let alone touches of PCE aesthetics... that all makes the library more desirable than N64 and Jaguar. Can't say for sure with 3DO though, I'd have to further explore the libraries to make a definitive call.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 08, 2015, 09:25:40 AM

The PC-FX is the inverse of the N64 and as such, I prefer the library over the N64s, even though I don't consider myself a big PC-FX fan. 2D games are a big deal to me and having even just Zenki and Zerogaier goes a long way towards tipping the scales for me. But RPGs and games filled with lots of art, cinemas and "redbook" music and voice acting, let alone touches of PCE aesthetics... that all makes the library more desirable than N64 and Jaguar. Can't say for sure with 3DO though, I'd have to further explore the libraries to make a definitive call.

Well, everything bests the Jaguar library. :)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 08, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
The PC-FX at least dodged a bullet and didn't have all the western 3D wank nonsense that killed otherwise good ideas.

having played the entire PCFX library and probably 90% of N64's library, I can say I'd rather play PC-FX.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on April 08, 2015, 11:41:20 AM
having played the entire PCFX library and probably 90% of N64's library, I can say I'd rather play PC-FX.

Word!
Title: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on April 08, 2015, 12:43:00 PM
I agree with all that's been said about language barriers.  I don't even want to play through a mostly action-oriented game like Cadash without knowing the story.

With that, this was probably one of the most unfulfilling episodes of Game Sack for me.  Not at all by the fault of Joe or Dave, it just...sort of confirmed why I haven't looked deeper into the system & its library.

Was the PC-FX a worthy successor to the PC Engine?  Maybe not, but I can definitely see where they were going. 

The Hucards were mostly shooters & arcadey action games.  The CD medium brought a nice mixture of the aforementioned genres, while adding some fantastic RPGs, and most of all, anime cutscenes strewn throughout. As a fan of anime (fanime?  Fanny Maye?), I thoroughly appreciate this & it's honestly what persuaded me to finally pony up for a Duo.

The PC-FX seems to have kept going in that same direction, only to an extreme. 

I was about to cite the PC-FX's design for having a lack of foresight, but I forgot it has all those ports for add-on dongly-doodads.  Really, though, a true successor to the PCE should have had at least some 3D capabilities by default.  Everyone knew 3D was the way things were gonna go, because video games are a way for you to interact & experience a story that you otherwise couldn't experience in real life...and real life isn't in 2D.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 08, 2015, 01:35:33 PM
I think my only quibble was at one point, and I forget who said it (probably Dave), there was mention of it being a "family-friendly show" just a short while after a game necessitating censor bars to cover up explicit sex acts had been featured.  I was kind of forced to assume sarcasm, but it definitely didn't come across that way.

The family friendly part was in Dave's original script. I changed it and removed the "family friendly" part because that's something that to me just sounds dumb. He said it anyway somehow. I've removed the words "family friendly" from more than one of his scripts successfully. Basically the gist is that we don't cuss to gain attention like lots of others do, but we still say ass and sometimes shit and other crap like that when needed. I think Dave might be worried about his daughter or his nephew watching. "Unca Dave said 'f*ckin' smelly diarrhea soup' so why can't I cuss too?"

Quote from: Arkan
You should've asked me for recommendations/borrowed stuff, lol.
I totally would have. Go back in time and PM me. 3 or 4 weeks outta do it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 08, 2015, 01:45:38 PM

I think my only quibble was at one point, and I forget who said it (probably Dave), there was mention of it being a "family-friendly show" just a short while after a game necessitating censor bars to cover up explicit sex acts had been featured.  I was kind of forced to assume sarcasm, but it definitely didn't come across that way.

The family friendly part was in Dave's original script. I changed it and removed the "family friendly" part because that's something that to me just sounds dumb. He said it anyway somehow. I've removed the words "family friendly" from more than one of his scripts successfully. Basically the gist is that we don't cuss to gain attention like lots of others do, but we still say ass and sometimes shit and other crap like that when needed. I think Dave might be worried about his daughter or his nephew watching. "Unca Dave said 'f*ckin' smelly diarrhea soup' so why can't I cuss too?"


The reason I watch Game Sack with my daughter is because it doesn't gratuitously use vulgar, offensive content. Even if I didn't watch it with my daughter, I love the fact that you two create a very compelling show without resorting to vulgar language. I'm no prude—I actually am horribly profane and must consciously stop myself from using lewd/inappropriate phrases/expressions.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sparky on April 08, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
I think joe has a vaginia. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 08, 2015, 04:31:49 PM
Quote from: Arkan
You should've asked me for recommendations/borrowed stuff, lol.
I totally would have. Go back in time and PM me. 3 or 4 weeks outta do it.

lol, it's your show.   You do the leg work.   I mean I know you have to fish for stuff from people so you don't miss things like how Joe and Mac are caveman ninjas, but really, you're capable of realizing who here might have PC-FX stuff, or could've made a more direct post about it.  I mean, you ARE moderator at the biggest NEC game console hardware forum on the internet.   Why not send a few PMs and reach out yourself?

Because I don't really like your show, I only remember to watch it when someone creates a dedicated thread to a specific episode, like this PC-FX one, or I see it in passing while scrolling around on Facebook.   

It's not really my job to follow and look for my opportunity to send someone things for a show I barely watch.  I am happy to help, since it's NEC and PC-FX.   But, I won't go out of my way to look for opportunity to help...

Honestly though, with the way you consistently miss things on this forum, I could've probably posted a thread called "JOE REDIFER, HERE IS SOME PC-FX STUFF" and you probably still would have missed it and then went OH HOW DID I MISS THIS, like a week or seven too late.

not that any of this matters because you seem to think it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

you're probably right.   Being able to properly review the majority of the games is what would have changed the outcome.

joe has a vagina. :P

fixed
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sparky on April 08, 2015, 04:38:17 PM
No that's what he calls it .. :p
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 08, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: Arkan
You should've asked me for recommendations/borrowed stuff, lol.
I totally would have. Go back in time and PM me. 3 or 4 weeks outta do it.

Why not just plan a follow up episode for the PC-FX? Or maybe some sort of revisit episode that covers a few consoles?

PS Mew.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on April 08, 2015, 06:50:07 PM
The problem with Rolfee and Yuna, and a few other PC-FX games that I think are very interesting, too, is that it's hard for Joe and Dave to say much about them. What the hell are they supposed to talk about if they don't speak Japanese, and to an audience of non-Japanese speakers, no less? Rolfee and Yuna just don't fit the formula. You might not like the formula itself, but you can hardly blame them for making the choices they did.

I do wish that they had invested a little more time in the games and investigated a few of them more deeply, but I can understand that this probably isn't realistic for a free show by two guys who otherwise work full time. I watch Game Sack regularly, I think they generally do a very good job, and I'm glad that they gave the PC-FX a shot even if the result was less than ideal.

BTW, Arkhan, how much Japanese do you read? I get the impression that you can handle a few hundred words only. Is that right? You know, I love your enthusiasm, and everything is cool as long as you are enjoying yourself, but I don't get why anyone who doesn't read Japanese at a fairly high level would play those text-heavy games. It seems like you'd have to be more in love with the idea of the games than the games themselves. You certainly can't expect most other non-readers to get the same kind of enjoyment as you. You also can't expect people to take your game reviews too seriously when you don't understand the story of a story-centric game. Sorry if that's harsh...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 08, 2015, 08:40:59 PM
The problem with Rolfee and Yuna, and a few other PC-FX games that I think are very interesting, too, is that it's hard for Joe and Dave to say much about them. What the hell are they supposed to talk about if they don't speak Japanese, and to an audience of non-Japanese speakers, no less? Rolfee and Yuna just don't fit the formula. You might not like the formula itself, but you can hardly blame them for making the choices they did.
I go for enthusiasm.  It's important.   Flashing the official, and unofficial mascots would have been exciting, to me.   

I don't mind their choices, and get what they did really.  I just would've added a bit.   

All in all, I actually did think this was one of the better episodes, to me.   I personally am not really a big fan of ANY gaming videos.   I almost always find them boring.  Or I don't like the persons voice and then just get annoyed.  Or there's forced humor/wit that irks me.  I can't even watch like, a tutorial video on something.   Just give me a paragraph instead. 

I had to force myself to even sit and finish the PCFX one here.

I also don't fault the commentary they did for the games.  They did what I would have expected.  It's just unfortunate that there ends up being almost diddly dick to talk about with the games because most of them require reading.

What sucks even more is, even if the few of us who are homebrew-spazzes get our shit together and make some PCFX games, who are we going to share it with?

The entire PC-FX owning community could probably fit in my living room.   It's an uphill battle to even get the system going.    We COULD kickstart the thing (not Kickstarter, just, literally, kick it in the nuts and get some new games on it that are what Round Eye wants).

We'd just have to be SUPER ENTHUSIASTIC TO GET PEOPLE AMPED AND PAYING ATTENTION.


Basically.



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BTW, Arkhan, how much Japanese do you read? I get the impression that you can handle a few hundred words only. Is that right? You know, I love your enthusiasm, and everything is cool as long as you are enjoying yourself, but I don't get why anyone who doesn't read Japanese at a fairly high level would play those text-heavy games. It seems like you'd have to be more in love with the idea of the games than the games themselves. You certainly can't expect most other non-readers to get the same kind of enjoyment as you. You also can't expect people to take your game reviews too seriously when you don't understand the story of a story-centric game. Sorry if that's harsh...
Enthusiasm is the theme of the PC-FX, I think.

The PC-FX is actually what finally pushed me pretty hard into "I should actually learn how to read Japanese" territory.  The machine is weird and has a weird library of intriguing nonsense.

I can read the text in the games, but man is it slowly.    We are talking like, a minute or two per box if I can read the kanji.  If not, add however long it takes to go look that up.   This is where enthusiasm is important.  You have to be really amped to go "ah shit, I don't know what that says, hold on a second."

It's sort of like work.  Most people don't want to do that while playing a game, since it's supposed to be relaxing and fun.

Playing text heavy games is great practice. It's a bit like how it was for me when I was like 5, playing RPGs.

What f*cks me up is the spoken stuff.   I just catch bits and pieces and hope I comprehended enough of it to get by.  Fortunately, the voice over crap isn't vital most of the time.



Though, I already said myself I don't see the point in playing a story-centric game like an RPG or digital comic if you have no clue what the hell is going on.   It might be fun to pretend and make up a story as you fumble from town to town, but I see it as a waste of time.

since my Japanese is always improving, I will probably go revisit some of these games at a later time and see if I misread something, misunderstood something, or anything like that.    I will also probably *finish* more of the games.   Since it takes 90000 years to read the text, I don't exactly make record times, and have other stuff to do also. 

but again, the enthusiasm is important.  That's how I always approached dating sims.  I get pretty into that crap.   It ends up making up for shortcomings in the stories, by filling in gaps due to my rampant imagination. 

Honestly, if you're not a bit hyper/enthusiastic/imaginative, given the current library, I think even if you are a 100% Japanese human, you won't find much to get you going, either because there needs to be more of X, or because Y never showed up at all, or Z needed a bit more work.

You have to be enthusiastic as shit to excuse any shortcomings/derpery going on, and accept the fact that you're playing a machine that has less action games than buttons on the controller.

Kinda like SuperGrafx, only worse.


and if you're talking about the PCFXTOO reviews, I don't think I ever intended for those brief commentary/reviews to ever be taken seriously.  Most are hastily slapped together placeholders and were meant to be gone by now, because I thought I would have that stuff filled out and such way faster than I did.

But then, the tedious-ness set in.

and the "I am working on Atlantean" also set in.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 08, 2015, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Arkha
lol, it's your show.   You do the leg work. 

+ many more paragraphs saying the same thing over and over.

Damn Arkhan I get it. And I was talking with SamIAm and his knowledge is quite impressive. Quite the wealth of information, actually. He provided me with a few games. I never in a million years would have thought of YOU specifically. I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to these forums so I don't know much about you. Anyway there's nothing I regret about the episode other than the too-oft mentions of language being a barrier. As I said, the episode is doing well, and it's better than any other PC-FX video out there as far as providing info on the system and multiple games all in one place. People mostly seem to enjoy it and I'm happy with its conclusions. The PC-FX isn't really truly special. Now something about it may appeal to you or something else about it may appeal to some other guy, but in the grand scheme of things... well it's the PC-FX. It's a footnote, but I'm glad I got to make an episode about it.

Next up, PC-8801.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 08, 2015, 09:58:47 PM
I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to these forums so I don't know much about you.
We know, lol.

Though, I would've assumed you at least knew some crap about me.  I mean you did shit your pants and unfriend me when you realized we were friends on Facebook a few years back.   That was pretty funny.

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Anyway there's nothing I regret about the episode other than the too-oft mentions of language being a barrier.
I wouldn't regret anything in the video, including the language barrier thing.  It's probably good that it's the emphasis.   This prevents people from buying it, realizing they done goofed, and complaining about the thing, only to try hocking it for a profit.

You did a good job of basically saying "check out all this cool shit you shouldn't bother playing because you can't really play it."

I guess me personally, since I am more interested in quirky, and weird things, I would liked to have seen mentions of the OTHER stuff. (The devkit, the Anime Freak crap, the homebrew stuff, the cancelled stuff, and all that).

I had intended on making videos/pages for that sort of thing for the PCFX page I've been halfassing for a few years now.

I sort of realized after enthusiastically diving into it in the name of PC-FX, that I really don't like making websites/pages.

or videos.

Honestly, while I don't like your videos because I generally just don't like watching informative-ish gaming videos, your videos are put together better than any other gaming videos.  So, high five on that.  Doing that stuff is tedious, irritating, and really just not my thing.  I would rather drip hotsauce on my pee hole.

The camera work is crisp looking and isn't wobbling like Michael J Fox is the one holding the camera.

The transitions aren't retarded. 

You don't sound like you have the microphone shoved down your throat.   I appreciate that last bit the most.   Why do some people sound like they are eating the microphone.

Oh, and you don't have the following:

1) A really stupid introduction that tries too hard.
2) Constant camera angles carefully aimed at your shelf of crap you think people on the internet care about.

If I was forced to watch serious gaming videos, I would hope I am forced to watch GameSack. 

Does anyone else find it sad that there aren't more gaming show things that aren't total balls?

EDIT: Are you really doing PC-8801 next? 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on April 09, 2015, 09:39:57 AM
I think my only quibble was at one point, and I forget who said it (probably Dave), there was mention of it being a "family-friendly show" just a short while after a game necessitating censor bars to cover up explicit sex acts had been featured.  I was kind of forced to assume sarcasm, but it definitely didn't come across that way.

The family friendly part was in Dave's original script. I changed it and removed the "family friendly" part because that's something that to me just sounds dumb. He said it anyway somehow. I've removed the words "family friendly" from more than one of his scripts successfully. Basically the gist is that we don't cuss to gain attention like lots of others do, but we still say ass and sometimes shit and other crap like that when needed. I think Dave might be worried about his daughter or his nephew watching. "Unca Dave said 'f*ckin' smelly diarrhea soup' so why can't I cuss too?"

Heh.  I figured it was something like that.  I'd heard him say that in other episodes before, but it stood out in this episode in particular because of the surrounding content.

Overall, I liked the episode, and I think it's hard to fault you guys for giving your honest impressions as Americans who are dealing with a language barrier.  Your general audience isn't exactly overflowing with bilinguals, and those of us who are bilingual have pretty much made up our minds about the system anyway.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on April 09, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
I just want to see Joe & Dave mosh out to the thunder soundtracks for 20 minutes.
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on April 09, 2015, 09:50:53 AM
Kids gotta learn about sex somewhere, and 'tis safer from the PC-FX and youtube than on the street.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 09, 2015, 04:36:13 PM
Kids gotta learn about sex somewhere, and 'tis safer from the PC-FX and youtube than on the street.

Pia Carrot Translated should be distributed to all schools nationwide

KIDS: THIS IS HOW YOU GIRLS.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 09, 2015, 05:06:57 PM
I mean you did shit your pants and unfriend me when you realized we were friends on Facebook a few years back.   That was pretty funny.


That's odd I remember it as you being the one who unfriended me. I rarely unfriend anyone.

Edit, yep. You deleted me! :P

(http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/arkhan.png)

Anyway I had no idea you were into the PC-FX at all. SuperGrafx maybe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 09, 2015, 08:46:06 PM
I mean you did shit your pants and unfriend me when you realized we were friends on Facebook a few years back.   That was pretty funny.


That's odd I remember it as you being the one who unfriended me. I rarely unfriend anyone.

Edit, yep. You deleted me! :P

(http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/arkhan.png)

Anyway I had no idea you were into the PC-FX at all. SuperGrafx maybe.


ah yeah, that's right.   That was right after you made some shitty remark to the effect of "why am I friends with YOU on here", which prompted me PMing you, and removing you.  I'm not sure why you'd accept a friend request if you have no idea who the person is, really.   Seems a bit derp.

This was back when PCEFX went down and everyone was in a scramble, IIRC.  Too bad we can't go find that dumb comment.   I normally don't bother unfriending people, but sometimes, your obliviousness astounds me.

Anyway, yeah, You should pay more attention to this forum.  It's better than all that Sega wank you probably look at.

speaking of shit like that, is Nat still alive.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 10, 2015, 02:32:45 AM
OK, finally something that is worthy of discussion: what the hell is nat doing these days?

:(

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on April 10, 2015, 03:27:24 AM
I'm not sure why you'd accept a friend request if you have no idea who the person is, really.   Seems a bit derp.

Welcome to facebook.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 10, 2015, 06:43:34 AM
OK, finally something that is worthy of discussion: what the hell is nat doing these days?

:(

:)

Last I heard from him, he was asking about an Atlantean card, but then I never heard back.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 10, 2015, 07:03:14 AM
Quote from: Arkhan
I normally don't bother unfriending people, but sometimes, your obliviousness astounds me.

Anyway, yeah, You should pay more attention to this forum.  It's better than all that Sega wank you probably look at.

You bet! Comments like this make me want to spend ALL my time here! I feel so welcome!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 10, 2015, 07:12:49 AM
I think that's the vagina talking, again.

lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 10, 2015, 10:17:08 AM
Yeah you should probably have that stitched closed. ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 10, 2015, 10:23:21 AM
You're both losers for being on Facebook.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on April 10, 2015, 11:24:40 AM
Yeah you should probably have that stitched closed. ;)
Since one of you has a vagina, and you are both on facebook, can y'all just f*ck and make up already!? [emoji129]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 10, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
Facebook is where it's at, yo!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 10, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Yeah it's where all the pretend gamers are at, liking each other's posts and spreading f*cked up misinformation about everything ever!

and Joe, why would I want to pay someone to have your sweet, drippy vajeta stitched up?  Do the carpets match the drapes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sparky on April 10, 2015, 02:26:16 PM
Yeah you should probably have that stitched closed. ;)

Haha.. You are the vagina Joe, you overreact all the time, why can you not take criticism?
You took the time to look back and find Arks post on facbook?....Hahaha... My god man, you need a women! :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 10, 2015, 05:36:50 PM
Yeah it's where all the pretend gamers are at, liking each other's posts and spreading f*cked up misinformation about everything ever!

and Joe, why would I want to pay someone to have your sweet, drippy vajeta stitched up?  Do(es) the carpets match the drapes bearded face match the bearded clam?

fixed

Haha.. You are the vagina Joe, you overreact all the time, why can you not take criticism?
You took the time to look back and find Arks post on facbook?....Hahaha... My god man, you need a women! :P

His honey is cute, watch teh Game Sack. :3

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 10, 2015, 06:01:03 PM
Gee I wonder why I don't visit this forum very often the members here are so awesome! Actually some of the members are pretty damn cool.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 10, 2015, 06:13:23 PM
When it comes to online communities, you usually get what you give.

Be cool, and get cool in return. Be a smartass jerk, get smartass jerk. Even if you're cool, you'll get some smartass jerk, but you can ignore it for the cool.

The most neutral term I'd use to describe your usual attitude online is irascible. But when you get some 'tude backatcha, you start complaining.

Sack up, or check yourself.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 10, 2015, 06:25:07 PM
"But when you get some 'tude backatcha, you start complaining. "

That can be said about just about every one here. And thanks for the tips!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 10, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
So all I've gathered from this is that Joe is a blubbering vagina and is so out of touch with this forum that he gets butt hurt at the normal pcefx banter and as a result, can't properly mesh with us.

and then goes OH HUUUHUUU NO WONDER I DONT VISIT MORE OFTEN. 


If you visited more and maybe were less oblivious, you'd have less butt hurt right now.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 10, 2015, 07:15:26 PM
Should I feel bad about not being able to mesh with some of you guys? Nobody gets along with everyone. There's a few people here whom I consider good friends and I seem to mesh well with them and that's what's important to me. Sorry if I don't tickle your clit, but meshing with you isn't something I'm particularly concerned about. I just find it odd that the person telling me that I should hang around here more is also giving me the most flak. Now I'm off to play some PC-8801. Or maybe some Game Gear. Because the Game Gear is phuggin' awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 10, 2015, 07:20:51 PM
Sorry if I don't tickle your clit, but meshing with you isn't something I'm particularly concerned about. I just find it odd that the person telling me that I should hang around here more is also giving me the most flak. Now I'm off to play some PC-8801. Or maybe some Game Gear. Because the Game Gear is phuggin' awesome.

lol.   I give everyone flak, numbnuts.   You're just too oblivious to realize it and get all butthurt/defensive/dismissive.

It'd be cool if you'd tickle my clit though.  I'm into scissoring.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 10, 2015, 08:57:06 PM
When it comes to online communities, you usually get what you give.

Be cool, and get smartass jerk in return. Be a smartass jerk, get smartass jerk.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on April 11, 2015, 03:10:06 AM
Gamesack is indeed a high quality product.  It has everthing:

Sega Vs Nintendo Fanbois
High quality Video and Sound
Clever Editing
In depth discussion and no begging for $50,000 to buy games, not once.
Amazing use of music.
Fun Skits at the end.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on April 11, 2015, 04:06:45 AM
Sorry if I don't tickle your clit, but meshing with you isn't something I'm particularly concerned about. I just find it odd that the person telling me that I should hang around here more is also giving me the most flak. Now I'm off to play some PC-8801. Or maybe some Game Gear. Because the Game Gear is phuggin' awesome.

lol.   I give everyone flak, numbnuts.   You're just too oblivious to realize it and get all butthurt/defensive/dismissive.

It'd be cool if you'd tickle my clit though.  I'm into scissoring.
Maybe you should ask Mr. Nosetrip Roth to do it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 11, 2015, 04:09:00 AM
Arkhan is the little girl in elementary school that called you a stinky boy and punched your arm but really likes you.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on April 11, 2015, 04:17:27 AM
So back on topic a bit... Joe, do you guys have a plan on what you are planning to do in future episodes of Gamesack? Or is it some uber kept secret? :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 11, 2015, 04:29:21 AM
So back on topic a bit... Joe, do you guys have a plan on what you are planning to do in future episodes of Gamesack? Or is it some uber kept secret? :P

It depends on how much he can get the forum to give him info https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18807.0
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on April 11, 2015, 05:32:01 AM
So back on topic a bit... Joe, do you guys have a plan on what you are planning to do in future episodes of Gamesack? Or is it some uber kept secret? :P

It depends on how much he can get the forum to give him info https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18807.0

Is there something wrong with asking the community's opinion, as part of research on an upcoming episode?  I mean, we see how people react when someone on YT gets something wrong.  I am going to do a Turbografx "launch" episode sometime in the near future, and was planning on running the list of games by the community to see if they think they are acceptable as "launch window" games, but not if I'm going to catch hell for not mentioning the forums in the episode.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 11, 2015, 05:53:19 AM
So back on topic a bit... Joe, do you guys have a plan on what you are planning to do in future episodes of Gamesack? Or is it some uber kept secret? :P

It depends on how much he can get the forum to give him info https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18807.0

Is there something wrong with asking the community's opinion, as part of research on an upcoming episode?  I mean, we see how people react when someone on YT gets something wrong.  I am going to do a Turbografx "launch" episode sometime in the near future, and was planning on running the list of games by the community to see if they think they are acceptable as "launch window" games, but not if I'm going to catch hell for not mentioning the forums in the episode.

Well, everyone loves to criticize everything, but for something like the launch titles, you may remember we recently revisited the topic. I still don't know what games to include.

TG-16's first ~three months of releases seems like the best I can do (from personal memory), since I purchased TG-16 on XMAS...but, damn, I can't remember what was available in September or October of 1989. I have a handful of definites...but a lot of maybes....
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 11, 2015, 06:04:10 AM
All I can say is I'm not inclined to help someone else's monetized youtube channel by contributing information and research.

Regarding the turbo launch games, if you use this forum as a source from which you either produced your list or confirm your own list on the basis of its credibility and 'authority,' then rules of scholarly work require a citation, so your viewers can examine your source and judge its veracity, and as courtesy to acknowledge the work of others. Otherwise it is plagiarism.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on April 11, 2015, 07:18:39 AM
All I can say is I'm not inclined to help someone else's monetized youtube channel by contributing information and research.

Regarding the turbo launch games, if you use this forum as a source from which you either produced your list or confirm your own list on the basis of its credibility and 'authority,' then rules of scholarly work require a citation, so your viewers can examine your source and judge its veracity, and as courtesy to acknowledge the work of others. Otherwise it is plagiarism.

Regarding point #1, that is of course your prerogative.  But understand that it is the YouTube content creator's prerogative as to whether or not they want to give a "shout out" to people who helped them.  Personally, if Joe or anyone else started a thread asking for information (just as Joe did), I would have no problem contributing to that thread if I had helpful information.  For me, that's just being part of the community.  Joe puts a shitload of work into those Game Sack videos (exponentially more work than is required by one of us to answer a question that he posts here) and he absolutely deserves whatever money he makes from those videos.

Regarding point #2, it is absolutely not plagiarism to not site a source of information.  If I *QUOTE* a source and pass that quote off as my own, then that is plagiarism.  Beyond that, I find your stance on the issue to be misguided, to put it gently.  YouTube videos of this nature are not scholarly works.  I can only speak for myself, but the information that I present in my videos comes from a variety of sources of various levels of reliability.  Wikipedia and GameFaqs being on the low end of that spectrum, issues of Retro Gamer being somewhere in the middle, and published books written by self-described gaming "scholars" like Bill Loguidice on the high-end.

Este: I agree.  I think that for that episode, I am just going to have to go with "launch window" games, because there is seemingly no way that we are ever going to nail down exactly what was available right at the start of the test launch, or the national roll-out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 11, 2015, 08:41:58 AM
I like to keep episodes under wraps, usually. Yeah I'll ask an occasional question to get some opinions but then I will vet them myself. For example if someone says "Such and such a game has a great voice", I will check for myself to see if I personally think it's good for the system. There are always some people like Gentle Gamer who don't like the fact that we make money on the videos and stuff like that and are often sour to me on multiple forums. (I will keep in mind your comment about Arkhan, though. We give 8-bit Eric so much shit even though we like him and I never realized that Arkhan just does the same thing to everyone). Anyway I wouldn't call posting your opinion about what games have good voices as "research". It's not like you are going to sit down and go through every HuCard game and listen (and neither am I). So asking what stands out in any given forum member's memory is a great place to start. Also it makes for a great topic which is why I don't brand the thread as "Game Sack neeeeds to know about teh voices!!!" The thread can continue without it being directly related to us. All of the games I ended up choosing I had played before. But I always credit people when they give/lend games or systems. Some people don't even want to be credited (like BlueBMW) but I started giving him credit anyway after the comments on this forum didn't like that.

Anyway, where am I going with this? I dunno.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 11, 2015, 08:52:17 AM
It's more a matter of disclosure.

Starting a thread: hey I'm working on an episode of [monetized game channel] and I'm thinking of doing subject x, anyone have info on it? let's the community know what your motive is, and each can decide his response, whether he wants to help.

Starting a thread: hey classic gaming community bros, it's me, your classic gaming bro! I was just randomly wondering what you think about subject x (or, I'm a big fan of thing in games, do you know more examples of thing in games?) gives a completely different motive and is misleading, in my opinion.

If you haven't already, you should do an episode on Genesis games in true stereo that requires headphones, make use of that list you made twenty years ago and all the bad games you had to wade through.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 11, 2015, 08:56:31 AM

I like to keep episodes under wraps, usually. Yeah I'll ask an occasional question to get some opinions but then I will vet them myself. For example if someone says "Such and such a game has a great voice", I will check for myself to see if I personally think it's good for the system. There are always some people like Gentle Gamer who don't like the fact that we make money on the videos and stuff like that and are often sour to me on multiple forums. (I will keep in mind your comment about Arkhan, though. We give 8-bit Eric so much shit even though we like him and I never realized that Arkhan just does the same thing to everyone). Anyway I wouldn't call posting your opinion about what games have good voices as "research". It's not like you are going to sit down and go through every HuCard game and listen (and neither am I). So asking what stands out in any given forum member's memory is a great place to start. Also it makes for a great topic which is why I don't brand the thread as "Game Sack neeeeds to know about teh voices!!!" The thread can continue without it being directly related to us. All of the games I ended up choosing I had played before. But I always credit people when they give/lend games or systems. Some people don't even want to be credited (like BlueBMW) but I started giving him credit anyway after comments on this forum didn't like that.

Anyway, where am I going with this? I dunno.

Totally random question (I think I asked it in the past, but I honestly can't  remember if it was answered):

When are you going to incorporate extreme unicycling with Game Sack?

Honestly, I am surprised this hasn't happened already.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on April 11, 2015, 09:04:32 AM
It's more a matter of disclosure.

Starting a thread: hey I'm working on an episode of [monetized game channel] and I'm thinking of doing subject x, anyone have info on it? let's the community know what your motive is, and each can decide his response, whether he wants to help.

Starting a thread: hey classic gaming community bros, it's me, your classic gaming bro! I was just randomly wondering what you think about subject x (or, I'm a big fan of thing in games, do you know more examples of thing in games?) gives a completely different motive and is misleading, in my opinion.

If you haven't already, you should do an episode on Genesis games in true stereo that requires headphones, make use of that list you made twenty years ago and all the bad games you had to wade through.

It's not that I don't understand where you're coming from, it's just that I don't see what the big deal is.  If it were just some nobody from the outside stopping by to pump us for information without telling us why, then yeah OK that's not cool.  Just like people flying by to dump off their Turbobs at eBay prices.  But Joe was a member of this community long before he had a YouTube channel, so some of us (myself included) think that it's pretty neat to see someone who is "one of us" start a show and make such a success out of it. 

I've always thought that you were a cool guy, and I am certainly not saying that I have a problem with you now, but this sudden hard-on that you have for Joe is really just sounding like jealousy or bitterness.  You might want to take a step back and think about how you're acting (and why) before continuing with this.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 11, 2015, 09:40:22 AM

When are you going to incorporate extreme unicycling with Game Sack?

Honestly, I am surprised this hasn't happened already.



It has! But only a brief clip. It's somewhere in this older episode. EDIT: It's in the Unicracers segment on the second half of the episode:
 

And I don't believe that I've ever been asked that before. Ha ha good ol' Rick.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on April 11, 2015, 10:24:03 AM
I was just giving Joe some crap in response to the question about his show plans, and explaining in response to Jib's question. I don't wish to make  a big issue of it.

I'm glad Joe can see the point about Arkhan. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 11, 2015, 11:44:44 AM

When are you going to incorporate extreme unicycling with Game Sack?

Honestly, I am surprised this hasn't happened already.



It has! But only a brief clip. It's somewhere in this older episode. EDIT: It's in the Unicracers segment on the second half of the episode:
 Game Sack - Games that Time Forgot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdmMPy4cdE4#ws)

And I don't believe that I've ever been asked that before. Ha ha good ol' Rick.


Oh my Gosh! Now that is crazy :)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 11, 2015, 03:23:22 PM
Yeah I mean, Joe often comes off as semi clueless because he doesn't check in here or on the chat things.

I talk like this most of the time, about everything.  It's not like I'm singling Joe out or trying to take him down.

I mean, being a moderator here, it'd be cool if you checked in more and paid better attention, but if you don't want to, whatever. 

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 11, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
For a second there I almost thought that the chat was working again. Fool me twice, well... can't be fooled again! I was happy when Necro became a mod especially after Nat and Keranu's abandonment. The forum mostly seems to take care of itself with the exception of approving new members who register.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 11, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on April 11, 2015, 08:50:11 PM
For a second there I almost thought that the chat was working again. Fool me twice, well... can't be fooled again! I was happy when Necro became a mod especially after Nat and Keranu's abandonment. The forum mostly seems to take care of itself with the exception of approving new members who register.

pcengine.freeforums.org

it's been a thing for like 2 or 3 years now, lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 12, 2015, 07:57:44 AM
Yay, game sack episode.

The final level of Battletoads has a similar effect as the tower in the NES Kirby game.  The rotation doesn't look quite as good as it does in Kirby but check out the level "The Revolution" in all its glorious splender!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvV0DE1itWA
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on April 12, 2015, 09:00:10 AM
Another quality episode.  I was really hoping for Virtua Racing for the Sega Genesis.  That was a great effort.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on April 12, 2015, 09:26:15 AM
I think you guys just stumbled on a good idea for a future video. As Dave said regarding a guilty pleasure game that he couldn't explain why he liked it lets see a video on guilty pleaser games.

Games you like wheatear they be good or not or on systems that may not be known for any good games to start.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 12, 2015, 09:40:45 AM
I think you guys just stumbled on a good idea for a future video. As Dave said regarding a guilty pleasure game that he couldn't explain why he liked it lets see a video on guilty pleaser games.

Games you like wheatear they be good or not or on systems that may not be known for any good games to start.



Well, I wouldn't mind seeing another guilty pleasures episode. I found today's episode very entertaining. I didn't know GT4 supported 1080i on PS2, what a pleasant surprise. Though I'm more a Forza Motorsport guy since Forza 4, where there is a decent collision detection/crash deformation model with destructible cars, realistic motor sounds and I don't have to pass stupid driving tests.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on April 12, 2015, 09:41:24 AM
Good episode. It just struck me that Joe bears a striking resemblance to Chuck Norris lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 12, 2015, 09:46:51 AM

Good episode. It just struck me that Joe bears a striking resemblance to Chuck Norris lol

Stephen Baldwin. Yup.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on April 12, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
I think you guys just stumbled on a good idea for a future video. As Dave said regarding a guilty pleasure game that he couldn't explain why he liked it lets see a video on guilty pleaser games.

Games you like wheatear they be good or not or on systems that may not be known for any good games to start.

Game Sack - Guilty Pleasures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5RuwVtSjA#ws)


Well, I wouldn't mind seeing another guilty pleasures episode. I found today's episode very entertaining. I didn't know GT4 supported 1080i on PS2, what a pleasant surprise. Though I'm more a Forza Motorsport guy since Forza 4, where there is a decent collision detection/crash deformation model with destructible cars, realistic motor sounds and I don't have to pass stupid driving tests.



Ah then let's get a part zwei then
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on April 14, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
I enjoyed the episode, but is voice quality really a good measure of developer skill or hardware stretching? Of course, it's nice to know what the highest possible quality playback is like for each system, and how the systems compare. Yet it seems like higher-than-usual quality would only be the result of allocating more space in the ROM for higher sample rates. It's like how the "SEGA" voice in Sonic 1 apparently took up 1/8 of the ROM space.

If some clips required coding up some special program to convert the original audio in a very specialized way, or if the hardware is streaming/processing the audio in some atypical fashion, then that's cool. But otherwise, voice quality doesn't seem very remarkable to me. There's virtually no design sense involved.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 14, 2015, 06:41:14 PM
For the N64, Factor 5 (Rogue Squadron) wrote some special sound engine that made the use of lengthy compressed voice clips possible while
 1. Let the N64 decompress them on-the-fly
2. Still saving enough storage space on the cartridge for game data.

I wouldn't be surprised if Factor 5 licensed their engine to other developers after the release of RS.

By the way, I was surprised when I found FIFA 98 Road to World Cup had both English and German commentary selectable on the German version of the game. Even having one single commentator was an achievement on that console due to space constraints on the N64 cartridge.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on April 14, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Factor 5 licensed their engine to other developers after the release of RS.

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that it was available.

Quote
For the N64, Factor 5 (Rogue Squadron) wrote some special sound engine that made the use of lengthy compressed voice clips possible while
 1. Let the N64 decompress them on-the-fly
2. Still saving enough storage space on the cartridge for game data.

The N64's processor was nice and fast. People (and not just Factor 5) were using the GSM  06.10 (the European cell-phone compression standard) http://www.quut.com/gsm/ for speech on the N64 ... for 9:1 compression.

That kind of processing power wasn't as available on the Genesis (or at all on the SNES or PCE).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 14, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
Thank you very much! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 18, 2015, 08:14:45 AM
I enjoyed the episode, but is voice quality really a good measure of developer skill or hardware stretching?

Yep. You don't often hear quality voices in cartridge games and I like to point out games that pushed them to sound better than 99% of other games on the system.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on April 22, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
Next one of these please mention Star Parodier

Level 7 pushes more crap on screen than the system has any right to be pushing...aside from that giant sprites and scrolling galore, minimal if any slowdown or flicker (a lil bit in the mentioned level 7)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUEzhbCL1k
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 25, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 25, 2015, 08:32:30 PM
Yay, NGPC!  I picked up one at a Best Buy with Sonic and a few other games somewhere around 2,000 then bought a second one packed with 6 games for like $49 some years later.  I'm not entirely sure which games it came with, but Faselei and Fatal Fury were in there iirc.  I always assumed there was a ton of left over old stock that somebody decided to try to make some money off of.  The second set didn't come with any manuals or boxes/cases, just the games.

My one complaint about the NGPC was the sprites on the system having only 4 colors (one of which being clear) was always something of a buzz kill; this was particularly true in the many fighting games on the platform.  Games that got away with not using sprites, like SvC Card Fighters and Ogre Battle, looked waaaay better.  The port of Ogre Battle compares alright even to the one on the Super Nintendo which was a pleasant surprise.  I always wondered if there were any games that would do things like layer two sprites on top of each other to get around the color limitations but I never owned any that did so.  Seeing Dark Arms in actions shows that it could have been done, I just wish more games had done so.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: CPTBadAss on April 26, 2015, 04:26:39 AM
I love the NGPC so much. Got into sometime last year  and it was mainly to grab the two Metal Slug games on it. Probably two of the most affordable Metal Slug games out there. I have this fantasy of collecting everything Metal Slug but I'm not sure it will happen
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on April 26, 2015, 07:01:09 AM
I've been on the fence about this one for quite some time...I could probably count all the games I want for the system on one hand, and this video didn't do toooo much to remedy that.  However, that Beast Buster game looks a lot more enjoyable than I thought it would be when I've read about it.  The Metal Slug games look good, too.

I just wish the fighting games didn't have chibi characters.  That's a big turn-off for me for some reason.

And that Rockman game looks twice as crappy as I thought it'd be.  I can't believe the price it goes for on eBay.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on April 26, 2015, 10:01:12 AM
I've been on the fence about this one for quite some time...I could probably count all the games I want for the system on one hand, and this video didn't do toooo much to remedy that.  However, that Beast Buster game looks a lot more enjoyable than I thought it would be when I've read about it.  The Metal Slug games look good, too.

I just wish the fighting games didn't have chibi characters.  That's a big turn-off for me for some reason.

And that Rockman game looks twice as crappy as I thought it'd be.  I can't believe the price it goes for on eBay.

I wonder if there are any other games Joe would recommend as a starter set that isn't 90% fighters that was not mentioned on the show.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 26, 2015, 11:22:47 AM
I wouldn't recommend any game that wasn't on the show. Except maybe Ogre Battle if you like that sort of thing. I tried it and just couldn't get into it... probably because it's in Japanese only.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 26, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
I think I'd rather get a Wonderswan Crystal? Is that weird? Am I weird? How many people hate me?

Raise your hand.

*raises hayand*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 26, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
At least NGPC and Wonderswan are both pretty cheap...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 26, 2015, 06:27:49 PM
At least NGPC and Wonderswan are both pretty cheap...

Hmm yes, hmm yes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 27, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
Is there a Wonderswan emulator?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 27, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
Is there a Wonderswan emulator?

I do believe there are(is an) emulator(s) for the wonderswan, yes?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 27, 2015, 07:24:24 PM
Mednafen emulates Wonderswan.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 28, 2015, 06:51:50 AM
Wonderswan Color is worth it just for the Final Fantasy games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 28, 2015, 09:26:57 PM
Wonderswan Color is worth it just for the Final Fantasy games.

I bought one way back when for the port of FF1.  I thought the funniest thing about it was that the game came with a save pre-loaded with light warriors named after the cast of Gundam Wing.  I bought all of the Square games on the platform and a few other games.  Blue Wing Blitz was an okay strategy RPG that Square never released anywhere else and I liked the ports of the first Saga and Romancing Saga games.

I always kinda wondered if the Rockman.exe games were the same as the GBA ones or not.

My one real complaint with the system was, predictably, how the system handles audio.  I don't like how you only get 4 settings for volume level and I also dislike requiring an adapter for headphones.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 29, 2015, 04:39:03 AM
The sound of the WSC, if it's any different than the regular WS, is very nice though. Sounds like WSG. It was so cool to hear FFIV with proper chip tunes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 09, 2015, 07:52:43 PM
New episode is up about game reproductions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrGameSack

Dunno what's going on some damn yt update that won't allow a direct link wtf !?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
The sound of the WSC, if it's any different than the regular WS, is very nice though. Sounds like WSG. It was so cool to hear FFIV with proper chip tunes.

Not sure of any sound differences. But I did compare the screens as best I could between the three different versions of the Wonderswan in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h78NITFZJmU

Playing Wonderswan games on an emulator has a tendency to smooth the games out and eliminate slowdown and flicker present on the actual hardware.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on May 09, 2015, 10:52:56 PM

The sound of the WSC, if it's any different than the regular WS, is very nice though. Sounds like WSG. It was so cool to hear FFIV with proper chip tunes.

Not sure of any sound differences. But I did compare the screens as best I could between the three different versions of the Wonderswan in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h78NITFZJmU

Playing Wonderswan games on an emulator has a tendency to smooth the games out and eliminate slowdown and flicker present on the actual hardware.

That's a great video, but you know what folks are going to say...tripod!

Considering that you shot it in one take and didn't use a tripod, that video was great :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 10, 2015, 05:01:49 AM



That's a great video, but you know what folks are going to say...tripod!

Considering that you shot it in one take and didn't use a tripod, that video was great :)

Yep, was done in one take using a smart phone.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 10, 2015, 07:32:42 AM
Drama on XAKIII, i hope that gets worked out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on May 10, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 10, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Another 5,000 viewing hits within a few hours, Game Sack just racks 'em up no sweat! ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 10, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.

Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on May 10, 2015, 01:33:33 PM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.

Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?
Translated repros
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 10, 2015, 02:17:39 PM
Always a great episode.  Amazing quality and visual presentation.  It oozes preparation and givesaf*ckiveness.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on May 12, 2015, 08:32:38 AM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.


Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?


Maybe you are referring to this?
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/ninja_velmor/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/ninja_velmor/media/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg.html)

I got this from timewalk games about 3 years ago. Shitty thing was, they neglected to send me the actual game itself, just the box and the inserts. Took another 5 weeks to get the game
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 12, 2015, 09:01:18 AM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.


Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?


Maybe you are referring to this?
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/ninja_velmor/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/ninja_velmor/media/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg.html)

I got this from timewalk games about 3 years ago. Shitty thing was, they neglected to send me the actual game itself, just the box and the inserts. Took another 5 weeks to get the game


Yeah yeah.


Isn't time walk games out of business now?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on May 12, 2015, 09:07:37 AM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.


Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?


Maybe you are referring to this?
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/ninja_velmor/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/ninja_velmor/media/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg.html)

I got this from timewalk games about 3 years ago. Shitty thing was, they neglected to send me the actual game itself, just the box and the inserts. Took another 5 weeks to get the game


Yeah yeah.


Isn't time walk games out of business now?


Yeah they are....... i better go get the VGA'd. But seriously, i think they were just taking to much work, and tried to be to big for their own good, Hence them forgetting my f*cking game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 12, 2015, 09:14:59 AM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.


Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?


Maybe you are referring to this?
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/ninja_velmor/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/ninja_velmor/media/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg.html)

I got this from timewalk games about 3 years ago. Shitty thing was, they neglected to send me the actual game itself, just the box and the inserts. Took another 5 weeks to get the game


Yeah yeah.


Isn't time walk games out of business now?


Yeah they are....... i better go get the VGA'd. But seriously, i think they were just taking to much work, and tried to be to big for their own good, Hence them forgetting my f*cking game.


I thought it was that they got in trouble for making their reproductions.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 12, 2015, 07:35:30 PM
Well it seems your episode sparked great interest in Sweet Home. One seller on EBay has sold 6 copies in 24hrs.


Repro or Famicom?


Also wasn't there a retro copy someone did in a red news cart?


Maybe you are referring to this?
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/ninja_velmor/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg) (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/ninja_velmor/media/20150512_122509_zpsutcqinqe.jpg.html)

I got this from timewalk games about 3 years ago. Shitty thing was, they neglected to send me the actual game itself, just the box and the inserts. Took another 5 weeks to get the game


Yeah yeah.


Isn't time walk games out of business now?


Yeah they are....... i better go get the VGA'd. But seriously, i think they were just taking to much work, and tried to be to big for their own good, Hence them forgetting my f*cking game.


I thought it was that they got in trouble for making their reproductions.

The rumor was they did get in trouble with sqaurenix.Then the owner stated he didn't have the time to make repro's anymore,so timewalkgames was shutdown.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on May 13, 2015, 06:31:05 AM
Yeah, I think between the huge level of questionable stuff going on with infringement and the amount of time it took, it makes sense that they shuttered.  The had some awesome translated manuals and boxes though and I kick myself for not grabbing them before they closed. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 23, 2015, 03:02:52 AM



I honestly can't tell if this is a joke but hey Joe I got $10 to send you via PayPal
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 23, 2015, 04:23:02 AM
My sack, your sack, GAME SACK BRUTHAAAH!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 23, 2015, 07:54:01 AM
It's not a joke and I'm not the one selling them. It's from My Life in Gaming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 23, 2015, 11:00:01 AM
It's not a joke and I'm not the one selling them. It's from My Life in Gaming.

They got any on Beta Max?


No I am ready asking as I have a beta max lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 23, 2015, 07:48:02 PM


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on May 24, 2015, 03:17:11 AM
Many thanks for your OutRun video! And it's too bad that After Burner Climax isn't available anymore. I could give myself a severe kicking for not having purchased it a few months before it was taken down.
Thanks Joe for delivering another kick into my guts with your GameSack episode today.  :mrgreen:



On a rather serious note, thanks for showing love for Castlevania Rebirth and Scott Pilgrim Vs The World. The sprite designer for the Scott Pilgrim game goes by the name Paul Robertson. He has a Tumblr if you're interested in more of his works, although its filled with the occasional pixel gore and nudity, so don't say didn't I warn you. And he did this lovely animation, too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on May 24, 2015, 04:29:44 AM
There's a game that will launch Q3 2015 but I'm sure it will never get physical discs: Yakuza 5. I don't blame SEGA/Sony since the previous entries barely sold anything in the US and Europe but come on, they did press discs of that Hatsune Miku game so why can't yakuza have physical copies too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKY3scPIMd8
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on May 24, 2015, 05:05:35 AM
That was another great episode.  I would love to see a physical release of the 3D Classics games on the 3DS.  Maybe once more of them are released?

Also, that VHS tape looks awesome.  If I ever do a "Best of CGQ-TV" release (unlikely), I'll do it on VHS.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 24, 2015, 11:40:19 AM
Man ima get me Shovel Knight.  That game looks amazing!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 24, 2015, 02:24:48 PM
I have to admit, my interest was peaked with Shovel Knight. I'd like to try it some time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on May 24, 2015, 06:29:38 PM
I have to admit, my interest was peaked with Shovel Knight. I'd like to try it some time.


Word on the street is Shovel Knight may soon get a physical releases, Best Buy has listings for physical copies up:
3DS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/shovel-knight-nintendo-3ds/5574214.p?id=1219653111937&skuId=5574214

They also have Xbone and PS4 if you search the site.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 24, 2015, 06:37:03 PM
Far cry was one I kept holds out for a GOY release that would have all their DLC. But it never happened despite being such a success.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 24, 2015, 06:39:30 PM
I have to admit, my interest was peaked with Shovel Knight. I'd like to try it some time.

Word on the street is Shovel Knight may soon get a physical releases, Best Buy has listings for physical copies up:
3DS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/shovel-knight-nintendo-3ds/5574214.p?id=1219653111937&skuId=5574214

They also have Xbone and PS4 if you search the site.

Ah, so Dave and Joe are getting their wish. GameSack asks, GameSack receives. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 24, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
I have to admit, my interest was peaked with Shovel Knight. I'd like to try it some time.


Word on the street is Shovel Knight may soon get a physical releases, Best Buy has listings for physical copies up:
3DS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/shovel-knight-nintendo-3ds/5574214.p?id=1219653111937&skuId=5574214

They also have Xbone and PS4 if you search the site.

Nice i can't wait for shovel knight physical release.I played it on the wii u and i all ways thought the game deserve one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on May 24, 2015, 11:08:22 PM
... And finally the game is slowly starting to get publishing rumblings in Japan!  Although I worry that the 3DS is going to be obsolete by the time it gets here.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on May 25, 2015, 05:26:34 AM
I have to admit, my interest was peaked with Shovel Knight. I'd like to try it some time.


Word on the street is Shovel Knight may soon get a physical releases, Best Buy has listings for physical copies up:
3DS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/shovel-knight-nintendo-3ds/5574214.p?id=1219653111937&skuId=5574214

They also have Xbone and PS4 if you search the site.


No WiiU :(
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 25, 2015, 07:59:29 PM
I have to admit, my interest was peaked with Shovel Knight. I'd like to try it some time.


Word on the street is Shovel Knight may soon get a physical releases, Best Buy has listings for physical copies up:
3DS
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/shovel-knight-nintendo-3ds/5574214.p?id=1219653111937&skuId=5574214

They also have Xbone and PS4 if you search the site.


No WiiU :(

Slowest selling console for nintendo,odd though since it got the digital version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: mickcris on May 28, 2015, 06:52:10 AM
turns out Shovel Knight is not getting a physical release soon:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/04/egads_shovel_knight_is_getting_a_physical_release_on_nintendo_3ds
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on May 28, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
turns out Shovel Knight is not getting a physical release soon:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/04/egads_shovel_knight_is_getting_a_physical_release_on_nintendo_3ds


It's possible, but this is the second time in a row it has come up for sale and then disappeared.  If you look at that link it's from April, the first time they added and then removed it. 

I think they're just trying to get all the digital copies monies they can, then release a physical version for those people who they know will double-dip just to have a physical copy. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on May 28, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
Let me know when it come to the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on May 28, 2015, 12:42:46 PM
Let me know when it comes to PC Engine or Genesis.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on May 28, 2015, 02:47:51 PM
Let me know when it comes to PC Engine or Genesis.
You think either can handle all that at that level? [Serious question, I really don't know.]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 28, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
The designers said they envisioned it being an NES game with some helper chips. But with all of the overlapping scrolling layers they'd probably need at least a Saturn.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on May 28, 2015, 05:21:44 PM
The designers said they envisioned it being an NES game with some helper chips. But with all of the overlapping scrolling layers they'd probably need at least a Saturn.
I was debating saying Saturn or Dreamcast, but no one programs for the Saturn.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 29, 2015, 12:25:06 AM
The designers said they envisioned it being an NES game with some helper chips. But with all of the overlapping scrolling layers they'd probably need at least a Saturn.

   Maybe a Genesis but I agree there is a lot going on.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on May 29, 2015, 04:24:42 AM
This is a neat little read on some of the dev process that went on with Shovel Knight, there are a couple other entries on Gama about Shovel Knight from the author as well if interested.  I would really like to play the game personally, but I rarely purchase anything digital.

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DavidDAngelo/20140625/219383/Breaking_the_NES_for_Shovel_Knight.php
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 29, 2015, 05:39:04 AM
Good read.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on May 29, 2015, 06:01:45 AM
Arcade ports were technically impossible for 16-bit gen consoles bitd, but we got lots anyways. Shovel Knight would be less of a stretch for MD/PCE from what I've seen. If some sections only have 8 lsyers of psrallax instead of 12, it's not a big deal. Playing a game on real 16-bit hardware with chip tunes would be a big deal though.

What I saw in preview videos definitely looked beyond all existing and potential-within-a-few-more-years NES add-on chips, but not unreasonable for MD/PCE. If ports were handled by typical average 16-bit gen developers with tunnel vision who can only be bothered or are only capable of scrolling tile layers in uncreative ways, then yeah, they'd need a PSX/Saturn. Unless I never got to see some particular parallax examples in SK, then a reasonably facsimile could be pulled off that wouldn't look different to the average person, unless they compared them side by side.

The idea of playing a modern computer game with faux retro dressing on modern hardware doesn't appeal to me. Playing even a compromised version on 16-bit consoles would be completely different.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on May 29, 2015, 10:14:09 AM
Shovel Knight is a fantastic game. I bought it a couple of weeks before this episode and couldn't be happier. If you like Mega man and duck tales you'll love it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Otaking on May 30, 2015, 01:28:12 AM
I finally bought Sovel Knight on the 3DS a few days ago. I've kept meaning to buy it since it's release as it's had loads of rave reveiws and talked about with such high regard. I've only done four stages but from what I've seen so far, graphically it looked like it could easily be done on a SNES or Genesis. Saying it requires atleast a Saturn I can't see it myself, am I missing something?
I really like and fully support the idea of new 2D sprite based games, but so far Shove Knight hasn't really grabbed me. Maybe it's because I've never been a huge Mega Man fan and I find it a similar gameplay to that, I'm not sure.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on May 30, 2015, 03:28:50 AM
I finally bought Sovel Knight on the 3DS a few days ago. I've kept meaning to buy it since it's release as it's had loads of rave reveiws and talked about with such high regard. I've only done four stages but from what I've seen so far, graphically it looked like it could easily be done on a SNES or Genesis. Saying it requires atleast a Saturn I can't see it myself, am I missing something?
I really like and fully support the idea of new 2D sprite based games, but so far Shove Knight hasn't really grabbed me. Maybe it's because I've never been a huge Mega Man fan and I find it a similar gameplay to that, I'm not sure.

I gotta buy this game. My daughter has a 3DS, but I don't think we have ever used the digital marketplace.

Anyway, between all the positive things, I listened to a bunch of songs from this game (again!) and decided that I have to get the damn the game.

The problem, of course, is that my daughter and I would then be competing for 3DS. I'd be yelling: "POKEMON IS A WASTE OF TIME. LET ME PLAY SHOVEL KNIGHT!."

And she would reply: "OK. I'LL PLAY SHOVEL KNIGHT, THEN."

And then I would mumble: "Damn."
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Otaking on May 30, 2015, 03:41:46 AM
I finally bought Sovel Knight on the 3DS a few days ago. I've kept meaning to buy it since it's release as it's had loads of rave reveiws and talked about with such high regard. I've only done four stages but from what I've seen so far, graphically it looked like it could easily be done on a SNES or Genesis. Saying it requires atleast a Saturn I can't see it myself, am I missing something?
I really like and fully support the idea of new 2D sprite based games, but so far Shove Knight hasn't really grabbed me. Maybe it's because I've never been a huge Mega Man fan and I find it a similar gameplay to that, I'm not sure.

I gotta buy this game. My daughter has a 3DS, but I don't think we have ever used the digital marketplace.

Anyway, between all the positive things, I listened to a bunch of songs from this game (again!) and decided that I have to get the damn the game.

The problem, of course, is that my daughter and I would then be competing for 3DS. I'd be yelling: "POKEMON IS A WASTE OF TIME. LET ME PLAY SHOVEL KNIGHT!."

And she would reply: "OK. I'LL PLAY SHOVEL KNIGHT, THEN."

And then I would mumble: "Damn."
Yeh I used my 5 year old daughters 3DS to play the game, I don't have one myself. It was the first time I had connected it to the internet and used the 3DS download store. I thought Shovel Knight was really exspensive, I'm used to buying much cheaper digital download games on my iPad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 30, 2015, 08:51:08 AM
Arcade ports were technically impossible for 16-bit gen consoles bitd, but we got lots anyways. Shovel Knight would be less of a stretch for MD/PCE from what I've seen. If some sections only have 8 lsyers of psrallax instead of 12, it's not a big deal. Playing a game on real 16-bit hardware with chip tunes would be a big deal though.

What I saw in preview videos definitely looked beyond all existing and potential-within-a-few-more-years NES add-on chips, but not unreasonable for MD/PCE. If ports were handled by typical average 16-bit gen developers with tunnel vision who can only be bothered or are only capable of scrolling tile layers in uncreative ways, then yeah, they'd need a PSX/Saturn. Unless I never got to see some particular parallax examples in SK, then a reasonably facsimile could be pulled off that wouldn't look different to the average person, unless they compared them side by side.

The idea of playing a modern computer game with faux retro dressing on modern hardware doesn't appeal to me. Playing even a compromised version on 16-bit consoles would be completely different.

Great post, I 100% agree.
I know it really isn't part of the 16 bit generation but I bet the Atari Jaguar would pull it off nicely.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 30, 2015, 08:11:36 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on May 31, 2015, 03:19:01 AM
http://youtu.be/4PT4u-De4lU

That's video is great. Joe please give us more head.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 31, 2015, 04:04:39 AM
Wait. When did blood dragon get a physical release that wasn't on PC?

I know there was a trilogy collection for the PS3 and 360 but from what I have seen these are with DLC codes for Blood Dragon.


Totally point me in the right direction because I haven't played Blood Dragon yet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 31, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
Wait. When did blood dragon get a physical release that wasn't on PC?

I know there was a trilogy collection for the PS3 and 360 but from what I have seen these are with DLC codes for Blood Dragon.


Totally point me in the right direction because I haven't played Blood Dragon yet.


(http://i.imgur.com/qlTrd5O.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/xDy30HD.jpg)

Click Here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Far-Cry-Compilation-Microsoft-Xbox-360-2014-Far-Cry-2-3-Blood-Dragon-Complete-/221761610199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item33a205a1d7)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 31, 2015, 01:04:59 PM
Wait. When did blood dragon get a physical release that wasn't on PC?

I know there was a trilogy collection for the PS3 and 360 but from what I have seen these are with DLC codes for Blood Dragon.


Totally point me in the right direction because I haven't played Blood Dragon yet.


(http://i.imgur.com/qlTrd5O.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/xDy30HD.jpg)

Click Here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Far-Cry-Compilation-Microsoft-Xbox-360-2014-Far-Cry-2-3-Blood-Dragon-Complete-/221761610199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item33a205a1d7)


Sweet thanks.

Dang so it was only on physical for the 360?  Dang.

I only say dang because I have all my FC games for the PS3. Oh well at lest the BD is a separate game that doesn't cross over its status or weapons to the main game. So for that I can enjoy it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on May 31, 2015, 08:19:18 PM
I would like to like Blood Dragon, but I can not stand bullet sponge enemies in FPS games. They make me feel my weapons are useless.

The few console FPS games I really like must have either believable enemy behavior like GoldenEye 007 and Call of Duty 2, or really good and blazing fast controls like Turok Dinosaur Hunter. Either bullet sponges or unresponsive slow and clunky controls put me off. Turok 1 has a big nostalgia bonus for me though, keep that in mind since some later enemies are the archetype of bullet sponges. The controls in GE007 and CoD2 are done well enough to keep me coming back for more and more.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on May 31, 2015, 11:04:33 PM
I would like to like Blood Dragon, but I can not stand bullet sponge enemies in FPS games. They make me feel my weapons are useless.

The few console FPS games I really like must have either believable enemy behavior like GoldenEye 007 and Call of Duty 2, or really good and blazing fast controls like Turok Dinosaur Hunter. Either bullet sponges or unresponsive slow and clunky controls put me off. Turok 1 has a big nostalgia bonus for me though, keep that in mind since some later enemies are the archetype of bullet sponges. The controls in GE007 and CoD2 are done well enough to keep me coming back for more and more.

Have you ever played the Half-Life games?  I've only played them on console & it's hands-down my favorite FPS.  Controls are better in the sequels on 360, but at least the first one on PS2 lets you customize le buttons & I *think* even allows for keyboard & mouse controls.  Sometimes you get into a "bullet sponge" situation, but that usually just means you aren't using a big enough gun.

They both control exponentially better than Goldeneye, assuming you're talking about the N64 version.  I'm not even a hardcore FPS guy & I love the Half-Life games, though they may be a little slow for your typical COD/Halo-gamers.  But eh, if I get bored with it, I just pop in Doom & I'm satisfied after a couple shotgun kills. ^-^
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 01, 2015, 02:28:35 AM
I haven't played Half-Life yet. I'm no hardcore FPS gamer at all, it is just that there are really few FPS games on consoles and computers that I enjoy (I'll add Doom1/2, Duke3D, Quake1/2 and UT99 to the list) and the majority of them are from the last century, with CoD2 and Doom3 being the exception from the rule.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on June 01, 2015, 05:32:14 PM
Dude, awesome list!  Sounds like our tastes are at least somewhat parallel.  I, too, don't care much for FPS on the whole.

With that in mind, I urge you to try out Half-Life.  I'd almost recommend starting with the second one, though that may be somewhat confusing story-wise.  The first one just starts off so slow... 

Seriously though.  Give it a shot.  Also, you like Doom...do you like Star Wars?

If you answered "yes" to that question, check out Dark Forces.  It was ported to the PS1, but looks & plays much better on PC.  It's a pretty shameless Doom clone, but sometimes I feel more like killing storm troopers than denizens of hell.  Plus, you get the Wilhelm scream when you fall off cliffs!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 01, 2015, 07:00:23 PM
I'll keep your suggestions in mind. About Star Wars... Who doesn't like Star Wars? I've played Jedi Knight 1, I couldn't get very far in the game, but the FMV life action scenes were nice to look at for their time. Honestly I'm more in for the three Rogue Squadron games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on June 02, 2015, 05:26:19 AM
It looks like Blood Dragon was available on PS3 in the compilation as well, but does the 360 version run better or something?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 02, 2015, 05:30:31 AM
Half off is amazing.  If you want to play it play the first one first obviously.  Crazy story line that is half of the appeal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on June 02, 2015, 05:53:57 AM
http://youtu.be/4PT4u-De4lU


I love the thumbnail for this video. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 02, 2015, 06:31:38 AM
It looks like Blood Dragon was available on PS3 in the compilation as well, but does the 360 version run better or something?

From what I can tell the PS3 copy doesn't have blood dragon on a physical disk just a download code.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 02, 2015, 07:42:33 PM
http://youtu.be/4PT4u-De4lU


I love the thumbnail for this video. 

They have no bodies !? Uhh spooky !? Unless joe&dave are pulling a boheiman rhapsody !?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 03, 2015, 12:51:57 AM

http://youtu.be/4PT4u-De4lU


I love the thumbnail for this video. 

They have no bodies !? Uhh spooky !? Unless joe&dave are pulling a boheiman rhapsody !?


They are talking heads.
Literally.
Figuratively.
Physically.
Suggestively.
Sexually.
Talking.
Heads.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on June 03, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 03, 2015, 07:31:00 PM

http://youtu.be/4PT4u-De4lU


I love the thumbnail for this video. 

They have no bodies !? Uhh spooky !? Unless joe&dave are pulling a boheiman rhapsody !?


They are talking heads.
Literally.
Figuratively.
Physically.
Suggestively.
Sexually.
Talking.
Heads.



Burning down the house !!
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 03, 2015, 11:32:30 PM
Well, we know where we're going...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 03, 2015, 11:50:06 PM
Well, we know where we're going...
Were on a road to nowhere  :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 04, 2015, 12:12:20 AM

Well, we know where we're going...
Were on a road to nowhere  :wink:

And she can hear the highway breathing...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Opethian on June 04, 2015, 02:04:26 AM
TAKE A LOOK AT THESE HANDS!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 04, 2015, 05:53:13 AM
Give a little shock and he raises his hand....
(No sense of harmony, no sense of time).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 06, 2015, 07:32:33 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 07, 2015, 12:38:05 AM
http://youtu.be/uWxhcWnK6Uo


This was a good episode. I did not know about some of these titles--Bee 52? How did I never hear about this? I love Code Masters, too, so I am totally happy to learn something new.

:)

And if folks here have never played Heavy Nova or Syd of Valis on Genesis--DON'T.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 07, 2015, 11:26:17 AM
Always a good episode.  Can't wait for the next one and possibly a movie!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on June 16, 2015, 12:40:02 PM
Where's the Shenmue 3 video? Lol I really knew nothing about the e3 announcement until I saw Joe's video notification in my inbox.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 20, 2015, 07:42:38 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on June 20, 2015, 07:59:09 PM
Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 20, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)
Most of what they showed i have as well expect for fantasy zone.I also like the fact that joe didn't defend snk arcade classics vol.1,for it's awful emulation.Really i don't understand how non neo-geo owners enjoy that compilation so much.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 21, 2015, 04:35:59 AM
Another amazing episode.  I am going to go get Sonics Ultimate Collection now!!!  They go for mad cheap and it looks amazing!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 21, 2015, 06:14:35 AM
Both Mega Man and Mega Man X collections are worth owning and so much cheaper for PS2 than buying the individual games. Thankfully the emulation is done well on the majority of games on both compilations, well if you don't count MM7 and MM8.

It is sad for me to see that the SEGA and SNK collections didn't get enough care emulation wise. I often read people complaining about sound quality especially on Genesis collections, no wonder that console's music gets more bad reputation in retrospect. Digital Eclipse's port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to the Xbox 360 Live Arcade has some minor graphical scaling/stretching issues as well as slightly downgraded audio quality, when I compared it directly to my PS1 game.

Good thing the Monster Land collection on Xbox 360 is done excellent. I can't thank you (GameSack and PCEFX forum members) enough for having me recommended a gem like Monster World IV some months ago. Even my girlfriend thinks Asha and her blue Pepelogoo are damn cute.

Now, if the Xbox 360 controller's D-Pad won't suck so much... good thing I have an adaptor that let me use PlayStation and Dualshock 1/2 controllers, that's so much better on so many 2D games. It processes the input signals lag-free, but it needs a wired Xbox 360 controller connected for authorization though:
http://www.dx.com/en/p/ps2-to-xbox-360-controller-adapter-cable-33241#.VYbx10OhstQ
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sadler on June 21, 2015, 06:59:29 AM
GoT 4-in-1 is obviously the best game collection of all time. :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 21, 2015, 07:08:18 AM

Both Mega Man and Mega Man X collections are worth owning and so much cheaper for PS2 than buying the individual games. Thankfully the emulation is done well on the majority of games on both compilations, well if you don't count MM7 and MM8.

It is sad for me to see that the SEGA and SNK collections didn't get enough care emulation wise. I often read people complaining about sound quality especially on Genesis collections, no wonder that console's music gets more bad reputation in retrospect. Digital Eclipse's port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to the Xbox 360 Live Arcade has some minor graphical scaling/stretching issues as well as slightly downgraded audio quality, when I compared it directly to my PS1 game.

Good thing the Monster Land collection on Xbox 360 is done excellent. I can't thank you (GameSack and PCEFX forum members) enough for having me recommended a gem like Monster World IV some months ago. Even my girlfriend thinks Asha and her blue Pepelogoo are damn cute.

Now, if the Xbox 360 controller's D-Pad won't suck so much... good thing I have an adaptor that let me use PlayStation and Dualshock 1/2 controllers, that's so much better on so many 2D games. It processes the input signals lag-free, but it needs a wired Xbox 360 controller connected for authorization though:
http://www.dx.com/en/p/ps2-to-xbox-360-controller-adapter-cable-33241#.VYbx10OhstQ


The MegaDrive's/Genesis's poor reputation for music started well-before emulation. Not all hardware was equal...some models/hardware versions suffered from poor sound output.

I did not know this back in the day; it never occurred to me that there could be a difference.

Anyway, except for a few games, I always felt that Genesis/MegaDrive had a harsh sound. This worked for some games, but hurt other games. Today, I am trying to be more open-minded

I was making analog recordings (on cassette, as well as VHS) of all my favorite soundtracks back in the 80's/early 90's...so I should point out that there is a very big difference between (1) listening to music as it is WOVEN into a game vs. (2) listening to music in isolation.

It is easier to be more forgiving in the former (first) scenario.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on June 21, 2015, 03:02:17 PM
Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)
Most of what they showed i have as well expect for fantasy zone.I also like the fact that joe didn't defend snk arcade classics vol.1,for it's awful emulation.Really i don't understand how non neo-geo owners enjoy that compilation so much.
It's worth it over the financial and space cost of owning the real deal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on June 21, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Another good episode. I really want that Fantasy Zone compilation. I may have to go the route Dave did to play it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 21, 2015, 05:17:47 PM

Both Mega Man and Mega Man X collections are worth owning and so much cheaper for PS2 than buying the individual games. Thankfully the emulation is done well on the majority of games on both compilations, well if you don't count MM7 and MM8.

It is sad for me to see that the SEGA and SNK collections didn't get enough care emulation wise. I often read people complaining about sound quality especially on Genesis collections, no wonder that console's music gets more bad reputation in retrospect. Digital Eclipse's port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to the Xbox 360 Live Arcade has some minor graphical scaling/stretching issues as well as slightly downgraded audio quality, when I compared it directly to my PS1 game.

Good thing the Monster Land collection on Xbox 360 is done excellent. I can't thank you (GameSack and PCEFX forum members) enough for having me recommended a gem like Monster World IV some months ago. Even my girlfriend thinks Asha and her blue Pepelogoo are damn cute.

Now, if the Xbox 360 controller's D-Pad won't suck so much... good thing I have an adaptor that let me use PlayStation and Dualshock 1/2 controllers, that's so much better on so many 2D games. It processes the input signals lag-free, but it needs a wired Xbox 360 controller connected for authorization though:
http://www.dx.com/en/p/ps2-to-xbox-360-controller-adapter-cable-33241#.VYbx10OhstQ


The MegaDrive's/Genesis's poor reputation for music started well-before emulation. Not all hardware was equal...some models/hardware versions suffered from poor sound output.

I did not know this back in the day; it never occurred to me that there could be a difference.

Anyway, except for a few games, I always felt that Genesis/MegaDrive had a harsh sound. This worked for some games, but hurt other games. Today, I am trying to be more open-minded

I was making analog recordings (on cassette, as well as VHS) of all my favorite soundtracks back in the 80's/early 90's...so I should point out that there is a very big difference between (1) listening to music as it is WOVEN into a game vs. (2) listening to music in isolation.

It is easier to be more forgiving in the former (first) scenario.



The sound is what the developer can get out of it.  It's very clean and unmuffled.  Essentially model 1 sega genesis HIGH DEFINITION GRAFX models had excellent sound.  Model 2's got bad.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 21, 2015, 07:31:15 PM
Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)
Most of what they showed i have as well expect for fantasy zone.I also like the fact that joe didn't defend snk arcade classics vol.1,for it's awful emulation.Really i don't understand how non neo-geo owners enjoy that compilation so much.
It's worth it over the financial and space cost of owning the real deal.
Neo-Geo CMVS owner here and cost wasn't much for me.Space is the only issue i ever have given how big the cartridges are.Snkplaymore should have never used terminal reality,for the compilation in the first place.It should have been M2 instead or some one else for the emulation.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on June 22, 2015, 08:42:03 AM
Another awesome ep. I really do need to get that Sega collection for the ps3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on June 30, 2015, 09:48:54 AM
Speaking of digital games getting a physical release, Shovel Knight is on the way.

http://yachtclubgames.com/2015/06/shovel-knight-physical-version-coming-to-a-store-near-you/
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on June 30, 2015, 10:05:09 AM
Speaking of digital games getting a physical release, Shovel Knight is on the way.

linky (http://yachtclubgames.com/2015/06/shovel-knight-physical-version-coming-to-a-store-near-you/)


There's a lot of complaints in the comments about it not coming to Vita, to which I agree.  I'd buy it if it were on Vita anyway.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on June 30, 2015, 11:55:06 AM
Speaking of digital games getting a physical release, Shovel Knight is on the way.

linky (http://yachtclubgames.com/2015/06/shovel-knight-physical-version-coming-to-a-store-near-you/)


There's a lot of complaints in the comments about it not coming to Vita, to which I agree.  I'd buy it if it were on Vita anyway.


Is it available as a digital download on Vita? They should make it where if you buy the PS4 version you could play it on both systems, win/win.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on June 30, 2015, 12:26:45 PM
Yep, it's already ported to the Vita (PS3 too), so I don't see why they wouldn't want to cash in on a small print run.  That Retro City game had a small run of a couple thousand copies, selling out in like a day, so there's obviously a market.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on June 30, 2015, 04:17:55 PM
Lol, I knew a Shovel Knight physical version was going to happen!  Now the question is whether to get the Wii U or the 3DS version...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 30, 2015, 06:35:38 PM
Booh, no PS3 or Xbox 360 physical release.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on July 01, 2015, 03:35:10 AM
Kind of weird that the PC physical release is only in Europe. If they are going to make it why not sell it in multiple regions.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on July 01, 2015, 03:46:19 AM
Kind of weird that the PC physical release is only in Europe. If they are going to make it why not sell it in multiple regions.

Their distribution agreement with Steam prevents it maybe?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 02, 2015, 11:55:31 PM
Panel that joe&dave did at the toomanygames convention last month.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on July 03, 2015, 09:27:43 AM
Kind of weird that the PC physical release is only in Europe. If they are going to make it why not sell it in multiple regions.

Their distribution agreement with Steam prevents it maybe?
I never thought about steam having deals like that but I guess they probably do.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 03, 2015, 12:06:53 PM

Panel that joe&dave did at the toomanygames convention last month.
http://youtu.be/4U0OeN56Gns


OK, help me out...who is this fellow in the red NEC shirt (he mentions that PC-FX was one of his favorite episodes of Game Sack, so he is definitely a PCE brethren. Of course, it doesn't mean he has an account here.)

 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/too_many_games.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 03, 2015, 01:19:53 PM

OK, help me out...who is this fellow in the red NEC shirt (he mentions that PC-FX was one of his favorite episodes of Game Sack, so he is definitely a PCE brethren. Of course, it doesn't mean he has an account here.)

 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/too_many_games.jpg)


I am pretty sure its DarkKobold
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 04, 2015, 09:01:39 AM
Well, I like DarkKobold. I vaguely remember various drama-filled threads, but what did folks crucify him for? TAS-assisted speed runs? That's not a crime.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on July 04, 2015, 10:42:21 AM
I can recall one thread where DarkKobold tried to scam some turbo stuff from someone who was just given a turbo cd and some games without knowing what it was that the person had or something?  I don't know about anything else he may or may not have done.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 04, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
No.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: bartre on July 04, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
boycott nullity for all time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 04, 2015, 08:45:43 PM
Gotta go fast !!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 04, 2015, 11:38:29 PM
Mario Kart 64 rules them all. Best tracks, best battle mode, and most important best controls and gameplay. Even though I found its Rainbow Road rather boring.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on July 05, 2015, 06:14:42 AM
Agreed ^^^^

Though I have really really enjoyed Mariokart 8.  They screwed up battle mode though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 05, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
My personal favorite Mario Karts are Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart DS.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BlueBMW on July 05, 2015, 05:23:38 PM
Mariokart DS really is pretty awesome.  It honestly feels a lot like MK64...  maybe that's why I like it so much.

Joe, we need to get a Denver group together to play just MK64
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 06, 2015, 12:56:14 AM
Mariokart DS really is pretty awesome.  It honestly feels a lot like MK64...  maybe that's why I like it so much.

Joe, we need to get a Denver group together to play just MK64

Too much blue shell.

I like Super Mario Kart and Super Circuit most.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 06, 2015, 01:07:55 AM
I know I am old but I still enjoy Super Mario Kart.

I spent a bazillion hours playing the Wii incarnation, too, but that was because of my kids.  It was decent.

I haven't played the N64 or Gamecube games in years.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 06, 2015, 02:11:55 AM
I once beat all the 150ccm cups of Super Mario Kart together with a friend in 2-player mode, it must have been 7 years ago. Boy, that was tough, we had to rely on Bowser and DK Jr since they were the only characters that had enough top speed. I don't think I'll achieve this another time in my life. I still like its battle mode, but I won't play the cups any more.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 06, 2015, 03:16:29 AM
I once beat all the 150ccm cups of Super Mario Kart together with a friend in 2-player mode, it must have been 7 years ago. Boy, that was tough, we had to rely on Bowser and DK Jr since they were the only characters that had enough top speed. I don't think I'll achieve this another time in my life. I still like its battle mode, but I won't play the cups any more.

Over the years I got obscenely good at that game. I went over to a friends house maybe 10 years ago, and he didn't even have 150CC unlocked on his childhood copy. within a little over an hour I had unlocked 150CC and changed every single trophy in the game to gold.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 06, 2015, 03:47:01 AM
What no mention of Atari Karts on Jag or Merlin's Racing on the Nuon!?!?!?!  For shame.... Such a horrible list.

;)

Great episode as always!



A couple SameGack episode suggestions I'd like to see-

Retrospective of Kunio series, games and spinoffs-
Renegade, River City Ransom, Super DodgeBall, Kunio's PCE games... etc etc

Company profiles with historical info-
GameArts, Jaleco or possibly Taito?

A look at MMO's? 
I'm not exactly a fan of MMO's, but it might be cool to get your opinion of some that have caught your eye or possibly even have played.  Try some out and capture/record your gameplay.  Could be funny-
Some to consider- PSO (Dreamcast/PC/GC), Maple Story, WOW, Neverwinter, Ultima Online or Evercrack
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 06, 2015, 06:54:11 PM
Well, I like DarkKobold. I vaguely remember various drama-filled threads, but what did folks crucify him for? TAS-assisted speed runs? That's not a crime.

:)
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13371.msg265904#msg265904

No, his TAS promotion is not a crime. He was teased for it as part of our out-troll-a-troll posse that formed given his initial months here of heckling his favorite targets Necro, vestcoat and BlackTiger in defense of the honor of resellers...

That seemed to be the only thing he did around here in the beginning, basically defend the honor of resellers in the gouging thread seeking to be their "voice..." As I said, this translated to heckling/needling/trolling BT, Necro, vestcoat, etc. Then Professor -- seeing that we had a "live one" as far as wiseguy trolls (read: mostly unwanted) -- joined in on the action to run him off the forum Xray style. I joined this effort, as well as sparky, and that's the short version on how he became the most unwanted presence for a long time...

Sadly, even with all of Professor's efforts in out-trolling, such as teasing his TAS background (dickfaceTAS) and finding his public modeling photos, Darkko persisted to this day... We tried our best, but we just couldn't get rid of him with our ad hoc posse (as vesty refers to it). :P Ah well. So nowadays, he still trolls us and then just retreats to DoxPhile until he's ready to troll another day back here, heh. Thanks DoxPhile! (There you go John, free plug on my part!)

Anyway, was that really him in that photo ? I don't see a match compared to his modeling photos. I assume identifying that red NEC shirt guy as him started as a joke.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 06, 2015, 08:14:19 PM
If he steps on everybodies toes repeatedly, why not just ban him?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on July 06, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
TAS-assisted speed runs?
Oh, you're good.

Throw another vote for Mario Kart 64 here.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 07, 2015, 12:09:16 AM

Well, I like DarkKobold. I vaguely remember various drama-filled threads, but what did folks crucify him for? TAS-assisted speed runs? That's not a crime.

:)
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13371.msg265904#msg265904

No, his TAS promotion is not a crime. He was teased for it as part of our out-troll-a-troll posse that formed given his initial months here of heckling his favorite targets Necro, vestcoat and BlackTiger in defense of the honor of resellers...

That seemed to be the only thing he did around here in the beginning, basically defend the honor of resellers in the gouging thread seeking to be their "voice..." As I said, this translated to heckling/needling/trolling BT, Necro, vestcoat, etc. Then Professor -- seeing that we had a "live one" as far as wiseguy trolls (read: mostly unwanted) -- joined in on the action to run him off the forum Xray style. I joined this effort, as well as sparky, and that's the short version on how he became the most unwanted presence for a long time...

Sadly, even with all of Professor's efforts in out-trolling, such as teasing his TAS background (dickfaceTAS) and finding his public modeling photos, Darkko persisted to this day... We tried our best, but we just couldn't get rid of him with our ad hoc posse (as vesty refers to it). :P Ah well. So nowadays, he still trolls us and then just retreats to DoxPhile until he's ready to troll another day back here, heh. Thanks DoxPhile! (There you go John, free plug on my part!)

Anyway, was that really him in that photo ? I don't see a match compared to his modeling photos. I assume identifying that red NEC shirt guy as him started as a joke.

Ahh, yes, thanks for reminding me about that drama.

Also, I don't know who the person in the video is...but maybe one day...

I don't mind DarkKobold staying with us. He has run the gauntlet, several times. Plus, those photos were priceless. He deserves to stay just for the photos (not that he chose to share them, of course).

And, most importantly, DarkKobold has posted a significant amount of non-TAS content (his own writing/reviews) that I enjoyed reading.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Game Sack needs to cover the XaviX
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 18, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 18, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
Those last 5 seconds were so unexpected but worth it at the same time.

Oh, and by the way, do you remember?
(http://abload.de/img/joecheezburgerzjsgk.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on July 19, 2015, 01:05:11 AM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/Gentlegamer/Game Slap_zpsoblz3b3r.gif?t=1437221049)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 19, 2015, 01:37:42 AM
GameSack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 19, 2015, 05:57:43 AM
Ouch, that Kilbane app promotion was horrible.

Great games were covered in this episode, though, so I can't be too upset.

Kilbane was truly rubbish. Rubbish.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 19, 2015, 07:28:43 AM
Good video, the whole "Pat" thing was stupid though. Didn't see how it added anything to the episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 19, 2015, 07:59:45 AM
Good video, the whole "Pat" thing was stupid though. Didn't see how it added anything to the episode

Kilbane can be funny, that's what is tragic about this.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on July 19, 2015, 08:14:15 AM
Ouch, that Kilbane app promotion was horrible.

Great games were covered in this episode, though, so I can't be too upset.

Kilbane was truly rubbish. Rubbish.

Hey ... they worked it into the story ... I guess that means that we should call it a "product placement" instead of a "promo"!  :wink:

That's the new world of advertising, babe!

Hahaha ... welcome to the big-league, guys!

But ... more seriously ... I didn't mind it.

It was taking a "criticism" of their style and poking fun at themselves with it ... I thought that it was appropriately awful, and so ... actually kinda funny (once).

Perhaps I've just got a weird sense of humor.  :-k
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on July 19, 2015, 08:22:53 AM
Did they talk about Odin Sphere before?  I'm having trouble remembering, because I think they talked about Princess Crown, but it's been so long since I watched some of those episodes.  Odin Sphere is definitely my personal favorite from Vanillaware.  Can't go wrong with music by Hitoshi Sakimoto.

Man, I hadn't thought about Mad TV in... something like 10 years, I think.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 19, 2015, 08:38:44 AM
Personally, I'm not that much into the graphics style of Dragons Crown. I try to like the drawn graphics, but at the same time the whole wobblyness and twerkiness of the character's movement give me the feel of a flash game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 19, 2015, 09:39:07 AM
The app is not real guys. LOL.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on July 19, 2015, 10:47:49 AM
The app is not real guys. LOL.

So hard to tell when everyone-and-his-dog are trying to cash in, and there are billions of the damned things out there  :oops:

... but, lol, that makes the joke even better!  :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 19, 2015, 11:23:29 AM
Basically the joke is that we're combating our cheesy humor with even cheesier/worse humor.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 19, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Basically the joke is that we're combating our cheesy humor with even cheesier/worse humor.

No, I knew that, I just thought he could have been a bit more memorable in this role! He played some over-the-top characters, in the past, and I thought he could still command some "screen presence" even if he played a more subdued character (like the humor coach). Believe me, I don't want him to be too xtrme—he doesn't need to be Stan McNer. He just needed to have a few more memorable lines, I think.

IMPORTANT:
If I wasn't clear (I don't think I was, I should have said this in my initial post): this was a very creative way to incorporate another personality into the GameSack formula, and I prefer it 1 billon% more than the usual method (stitching together  separately shot scenes into a stilted conversation, or using Skype, or filming in hotel room at a convention).

I would be very happy to see more personalities incorporated into GameSack like Humor Coach, which I thought was an homage to Craig Stadler from Pebble Beach Golf Links (that episode with Stadler is still in my Top 5 episodes of GameSack, along with Sega CD episode encoded with ancient FMV codec).   

Sorry for being a hater.  :)

Please do some more episodes in the Craig Stadler vein. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 19, 2015, 01:30:08 PM
I watched the whole episode, I thought the addition of that guest was alright, but he didn't bring that much more lulz than what Joe and David can do on their own I think. Heh. And he's a pro comedian ? Never heard of him... But, it is very cool to see GameSack try to grow/advance in ways like this! I'm not knocking the effort. It was trying to be fun and that's what it's all about!

Far more interesting to me however is that a "special" visit occurred in the comments section, heh, the criminal sneak/cheat bigot from inside XSEED Games (http://www.xseedgames.com/), Tom-chan "The XXXSEED Henchman" Lipschultz, who likes to cheat software developers of their work hours and IP Rights, showed up under the account "WyrdWad" given the mention of Ys Origin in this new episode... Somewhat brazen I thought, but he never surprises me...

Somebody else saw my post exposing him and the company and responded with:
Quote from: BluBoulzor
"Jesus Christ I had no idea Wyrdwad Tom was Satan all along. Should have known with the way he kept on debating with RegalSin on seldane.com"

And Thomas' reply back to that was the ole "There are 2 sides to every story and one must not believe everything they read on the Internet... Loud voices get noticed, whether they speak the 'whole' truth or not." You know, the "truth" can be adjusted which is what's been HIS name of the game for years! Guy really still has no conscience whatsoever!

Screencapped it:
(https://s5.postimg.cc/8a6evvqnb/Lipschultz_On_Game_Sack_Show.gif)

My other response:
(https://s5.postimg.cc/4ruezhprb/Night_Wolve_Lipschultz_Game_Sack.gif)

I'm curious to find out what BluBoulzor was talking about at Seldane's old ALOY forum. Apparently "Wyrdwad"/Thomas got into some lengthy debate with our old buddy RegalSin (Anybody still remember HIM with the pedofiend problem ??).

Hah! Good stuff!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 19, 2015, 01:51:51 PM
Basically the joke is that we're combating our cheesy humor with even cheesier/worse humor.

No, I knew that, I just thought he could have been a bit more memorable in this role! He played some over-the-top characters, in the past, and I thought he could still command some "screen presence" even if he played a more subdued character (like the humor coach). Believe me, I don't want him to be too xtrme—he doesn't need to be Stan McNer. He just needed to have a few more memorable lines, I think.

IMPORTANT:
If I wasn't clear (I don't think I was, I should have said this in my initial post): this was a very creative way to incorporate another personality into the GameSack formula, and I prefer it 1 billon% more than the usual method (stitching together  separately shot scenes into a stilted conversation, or using Skype, or filming in hotel room at a convention).

I would be very happy to see more personalities incorporated into GameSack like Humor Coach, which I thought was an homage to Craig Stadler from Pebble Beach Golf Links (that episode with Stadler is still in my Top 5 episodes of GameSack, along with Sega CD episode encoded with ancient FMV codec).   

Sorry for being a hater.  :)

Please do some more episodes in the Craig Stadler vein. :)

I thought the joke was pretty clear as well but I just didn't feel Pat added anything to the overall humor of the episode. I have seen the guy be hilarious on MadTV but his inclusion in this episode just didn't do it for me, hopefully I am just the exception to the rule. Props for trying something different tho!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on July 19, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
I thought it was all worth it for the line -
"It sounds like your talking out of an SNES"

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 19, 2015, 01:57:43 PM
Please do some more episodes in the Craig Stadler vein. :)

You think you can get it inside mine?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 19, 2015, 02:30:05 PM

I thought it was all worth it for the line -
"It sounds like your talking out of an SNES"

Joe is genuinely funny :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 19, 2015, 07:59:06 PM
At least that mustache wearing guy prevented people from complaining about whatever game should have been included in THIS episode. Did he?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on July 19, 2015, 09:42:56 PM
Next time, get Pat Contri.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 20, 2015, 03:51:18 AM
Next time, get Pat Contri.

I think the show has a better chance of getting Pat Riley at this point :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on July 20, 2015, 10:18:45 AM
Next time, get Pat Contri.

don't
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 20, 2015, 10:58:43 AM
don't

I think in hail's sick twisted world this means "YES! Please get Pat Contri!" ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on July 20, 2015, 06:02:45 PM
don't

I think in hail's sick twisted world this means "YES! Please get Pat Contri!" ;)

You know what? Actually do have Pat on as a guest, it'll be bad and I'll laugh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: captain_n77 on July 20, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Another great Sack episode. I can totally enjoy a Game Sack episode even when it's subject is newer stuff that I don't have much interest in, like Dragon's Crown.

And I don't get the poo'ing on the guest star. Guest star humor has to be outta the park, grand slam stuff or it doesn't belong/isn't worthy? I thought it didn't mess with the Sack vibe and added some nice chuckles.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 20, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
We sometimes enjoy picking on Joe just for the hell of it. It gets him real testy. ;)
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 20, 2015, 11:10:15 PM
We sometimes enjoy picking on Joe just for the hell of it. It gets him real testy. ;)

This!

Especially because this forum is usually more positive / less-likely to have antagonistic comments (when it comes to GameSack).




Another great Sack episode. I can totally enjoy a Game Sack episode even when it's subject is newer stuff that I don't have much interest in, like Dragon's Crown.

And I don't get the poo'ing on the guest star. Guest star humor has to be outta the park, grand slam stuff or it doesn't belong/isn't worthy? I thought it didn't mess with the Sack vibe and added some nice chuckles.

I agree with you, Captain_n77: the Humor Couch was abominable. It made the episode unwatchable. Although you seemed to hate the episode more than I did.

But I agree with your overall sentiment—GameSack jumped the shark.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 21, 2015, 07:03:29 AM
Please do some more episodes in the Craig Stadler vein. :)

Stadler was only briefly in his game segment and the ending. Maybe that's what we should have done here is just confine him to the end somehow because the ending worked pretty well.

Quote from: GentleGamer
Next time, get Pat Contri.

Please, no.

Quote from: sirhcman
I think the show has a better chance of getting Pat Riley at this point

Hell yeah I'd have Pat Riley on. Make fun of his sweet basketball game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 21, 2015, 07:58:18 AM
Please do some more episodes in the Craig Stadler vein. :)

Stadler was only briefly in his game segment and the ending. Maybe that's what we should have done here is just confine him to the end somehow because the ending worked pretty well.

Quote from: GentleGamer
Next time, get Pat Contri.

Please, no.

Quote from: sirhcman
I think the show has a better chance of getting Pat Riley at this point

Hell yeah I'd have Pat Riley on. Make fun of his sweet basketball game.

I second more Craig Sadler! Or that robotic green face from CyberMorph. That would be epic.
 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 21, 2015, 01:31:31 PM

I second more Craig Sadler! Or that robotic green face from CyberMorph. That would be epic.
 


YES. I love GreenLadyFace from CyberMorph. That's good stuff.

:)

If you ever played "BoxOut" on PC, you'll see why GreenLadyFace holds a special place in my heart.

I love disembodied heads taunting me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 21, 2015, 03:08:11 PM
Joe, did I hear correctly you are going to be at PRGE this year? That would be sweet if you are..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 21, 2015, 05:16:07 PM
Yes we'll be in Portland.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 21, 2015, 06:00:21 PM
Yes we'll be in Portland.
Well another reason to go this year! Sweet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on July 24, 2015, 01:08:06 PM
Please do some more episodes in the Craig Stadler vein. :)


Stadler was only briefly in his game segment and the ending. Maybe that's what we should have done here is just confine him to the end somehow because the ending worked pretty well.

Quote from: GentleGamer
Next time, get Pat Contri.


Please, no.

Quote from: sirhcman
I think the show has a better chance of getting Pat Riley at this point


Hell yeah I'd have Pat Riley on. Make fun of his sweet basketball game.

While you're selecting Pats to be on your show just go straight for the man himself.
(http://i.imgur.com/fnVj2oB.png)
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 24, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
Pat Robertson is not welcome at home, even if he was bearing gifts of Magical Chase, Terra Cresta II, Coryoon, etc.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on July 24, 2015, 02:05:13 PM
Joe, did I hear correctly you are going to be at PRGE this year? That would be sweet if you are..

It is more likely than not that I will be there this year as well. I didn't realize it last year, but I missed it by a few days.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 24, 2015, 03:25:26 PM
Joe, did I hear correctly you are going to be at PRGE this year? That would be sweet if you are..

It is more likely than not that I will be there this year as well. I didn't realize it last year, but I missed it by a few days.
Nice.. I met up with Jibbajaba one year and we had a blast. Anyway, Gamesack at PRGE is freaking awesome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 24, 2015, 03:37:11 PM

Joe, did I hear correctly you are going to be at PRGE this year? That would be sweet if you are..

It is more likely than not that I will be there this year as well. I didn't realize it last year, but I missed it by a few days.
Nice.. I meat up with Jibbajaba one year and we had a blast. Anyway, Gamesack at PRGE is freaking awesome.

Meat. Gotcha!

JO CRYSTAL sessions, ahoy.   
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 24, 2015, 03:47:32 PM

Joe, did I hear correctly you are going to be at PRGE this year? That would be sweet if you are..

It is more likely than not that I will be there this year as well. I didn't realize it last year, but I missed it by a few days.
Nice.. I meat up with Jibbajaba one year and we had a blast. Anyway, Gamesack at PRGE is freaking awesome.

Meat. Gotcha!

JO CRYSTAL sessions, ahoy.   
Argh stupid auto correct! That's something Craig Sadler would do!
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 24, 2015, 03:53:30 PM

Joe, did I hear correctly you are going to be at PRGE this year? That would be sweet if you are..

It is more likely than not that I will be there this year as well. I didn't realize it last year, but I missed it by a few days.
Nice.. I meat up with Jibbajaba one year and we had a blast. Anyway, Gamesack at PRGE is freaking awesome.

Meat. Gotcha!

JO CRYSTAL sessions, ahoy.   
Argh stupid auto correct! That's something Craig Sadler would do!

Craig Stadler :)

But, we know Sadler (Exile, XZR) is a badass, too. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 01, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 01, 2015, 09:25:58 PM

http://youtu.be/m4LIQsogPvA


Joe was far too nice with Ballistix.

I am curious, though, what is the demon-beast "referee" saying at the beginning of a match?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on August 01, 2015, 11:59:46 PM

http://youtu.be/m4LIQsogPvA


Joe was far too nice with Ballistix.

I am curious, though, what is the demon-beast "referee" saying at the beginning of a match?




"let the game commence"



also no kickball on the PC engine :(   I guess it's to comventional
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on August 02, 2015, 03:57:22 AM
Umm where is Windjammers? Crash n the Boys Street Challenge would have been nice also
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 02, 2015, 04:07:00 AM
Yes Windjammers would have been great.  I have a soft sport for caveman games, I played it a lot as a kid.  Fun stuff.

Love those scan lines, I notice that they show the Genesis neatly and clearly hooked up Via SCART to Component.  Good move to keep the haters from hating again.

As always a great episode and makes me want to pick up the AES copy of Baseball 2020.  The worst thing about Baseball Video Games is fielding and this review shows that they got it right.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 02, 2015, 06:38:44 AM
Yes Windjammers would have been great.  I have a soft sport for caveman games, I played it a lot as a kid.  Fun stuff.

Love those scan lines, I notice that they show the Genesis neatly and clearly hooked up Via SCART to Component.  Good move to keep the haters from hating again.

As always a great episode and makes me want to pick up the AES copy of Baseball 2020.  The worst thing about Baseball Video Games is fielding and this review shows that they got it right.

Baseball Stars on NES had great fielding, IMHO and should be the standard against which all others should be  judged.

THIS, I DECREE.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 02, 2015, 07:16:20 AM
What's with the "REREZ" shirt?  Paid endorsement, or are you just a fan?  I'm not criticizing at all, just curious.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 02, 2015, 08:39:04 AM
Shane and I are friends. He gave me a free shirt. A shirt that's too small. No paid endorsements. Just like Happy Console Gamer and others wear Game Sack shirts from time to time.

I agree Windjammers fits into this category, but we covered it very recently in our Data East episode.

Someone linked me the Amiga version of Ballistix and I could clearly hear him say "Let the Game Commence". I guess something was lost when they resampled it for the Turbo's sound chip.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on August 02, 2015, 08:42:51 AM
Shane and I are friends. He gave me a free shirt. A shirt that's too small.

It looked ok. It's not like you looked fat in it or anything. :p
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: turboswimbz on August 02, 2015, 08:55:14 AM
Shane and I are friends. He gave me a free shirt. A shirt that's too small. No paid endorsements. Just like Happy Console Gamer and others wear Game Sack shirts from time to time.

I agree Windjammers fits into this category, but we covered it very recently in our Data East episode.

Someone linked me the Amiga version of Ballistix and I could clearly hear him say "Let the Game Commence". I guess something was lost when they resampled it for the Turbo's sound chip.

Not sure why, but although not super clear, but I hear it pretty well on my copy and system, You can at least make it out enough to know he says that.  Although I wonder why they kept it if it was garggled, game woulda been fine without it. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 02, 2015, 08:55:22 AM
Shane and I are friends. He gave me a free shirt. A shirt that's too small. No paid endorsements. Just like Happy Console Gamer and others wear Game Sack shirts from time to time.

Cool, man.  Like I said, just curious.

Hey speaking of t-shirts, did you end up hooking up that "soiled panties" kid on twitter with a shirt, or what?  Hot yoga, man.  Hot yoga.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on August 02, 2015, 09:14:57 AM
I always liked Basewars on the NES.  Robots playing baseball and if they get tagged out they fight instead.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 02, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
Cool to see NBA Jam T.E., I spent a lot of time with it in 2-player-mode on the SNES.
The title music was so damn good, too bad there was no BGM during matches.

Does anybody still remember the announcers' scream for the "Rookies" team?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on August 02, 2015, 05:14:54 PM
No Cyberball, and no Jag mention for NBA-Jam TE (best version) The Sega hard on was throbbing in this episode...

And no Wind Jammers...UGH


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 02, 2015, 07:39:52 PM
Public Notice: 
WINDJAMMERS WAS ALREADY COVERED IN A RECENT EPISODE.

Duh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on August 02, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
Public Notice: 
WINDJAMMERS WAS ALREADY COVERED IN A RECENT EPISODE.

Duh.

And NBA Jam TE 32X wasn't?  :wink:

Edit:
Aah I got you now. "recent episode". Well then, no. So I guess you're right.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on August 03, 2015, 06:00:27 AM
another fun episode. Mutant league football was a great game as a child. Been so long since i played it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 03, 2015, 06:30:24 AM
I was going to suggest Ballblazer, but then I realized that you guys don't own Atari systems. Good episode never the less.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: captain_n77 on August 03, 2015, 09:18:29 AM
Very fun episode. I like something off the wall like this that includes games that wouldn't usually fit into an episode. These types of games usually don't fit into most anyone's channel/vids. This probably won't be an episode that gets a ton of view, but I hope the Sack can continue to provide a good variety of themes as time goes by. It keeps things interesting and shines the light(good and bad) on games that are a bit off the radar.

And for Pete's sake people, Game Sack episodes are NOT ALL ENCOMPASSING. Ever noticed the Left in Japan ones are up to like six episodes now? They are all unique episodes. Six episodes, not one episode version 1.6. It seems some here are just busting balls by mimicking typical internet forum whiners, but I believe some are not mimicry.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 03, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
No Cyberball, and no Jag mention for NBA-Jam TE (best version) The Sega hard on was throbbing in this episode...

And no Wind Jammers...UGH




UGH! OMG! What horrible people we are! Oh man I think I'm gonna roll my eyes SO HARD now! We have inconvenienced so many by not including certain games. Oh man we should just stahp the show! We've ruined lives!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on August 03, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
No Cyberball, and no Jag mention for NBA-Jam TE (best version) The Sega hard on was throbbing in this episode...

And no Wind Jammers...UGH




UGH! OMG! What horrible people we are! Oh man I think I'm gonna roll my eyes SO HARD now! We have inconvenienced so many by not including certain games. Oh man we should just stahp the show! We've ruined lives!

Dern tootin...Stahp it nao!!!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 08, 2015, 11:48:19 AM
Hey Joe,

Can you please have a look at this thread and see if you can add anything:

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=19453.0

Thanks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on August 08, 2015, 01:05:40 PM
Joe. Joe! Joe!!! Joe!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 08, 2015, 07:48:29 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on August 09, 2015, 06:29:34 AM
I enjoyed this episode. I must have had hundreds of demo discs over the years. Ps1, DC and PCCD / 3.5". I just used to toss them when I was done.
Shame. Maybe?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on August 09, 2015, 06:35:40 AM
This was a very nostalgic episode for me.  Some of my first gaming experiences were on the PS1 demo discs (for YEARS I couldn't figure out that it was Einhander I had played).  Same with the Dreamcast discs...those were actually the only DC games I played when the system was relevant.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 09, 2015, 09:28:01 AM
Now that's a pleasant surprise, two Gamesack episodes only 7 days apart. Joe, is that a subtle hint that you and Dave are planning to go back to your former tight release schedule?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 09, 2015, 09:59:43 AM
Nothing subtle at all. We're weekly!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 09, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
Awesome news!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 09, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Nothing subtle at all. We're weekly!

Did you convince Dave to quit his job?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on August 09, 2015, 06:19:35 PM
Nothing subtle at all. We're weekly!
2 things...Small soldiers, give it a watch...it's good
and Gladius is pretty awesome, slap Dave for badmouthing it without trying it

Thanks.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on August 11, 2015, 02:42:44 PM
A Japanese demo disc episode in the future works? I only mention it because.. Cycho Rider.
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Post by: toymachine78 on August 11, 2015, 02:57:12 PM
Demo disc episodes.... Zzzzzz..... [emoji99] [emoji42]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on August 11, 2015, 06:54:58 PM
Joe started a Twitch channel and he's just gonna upload his unedited live streams.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on August 12, 2015, 08:47:37 AM
Joe started a Twitch channel and he's just gonna upload his unedited live streams.

Should have one in which he shaves his beard. Should.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 12, 2015, 08:50:36 AM

Joe started a Twitch channel and he's just gonna upload his unedited live streams.

Should have one in which he shaves his beard. Should.

HELL NO.

There should be an episode of Game Sack dedicated to HIRSUTE CHARACTERS and Joe shaves off his beard for a finale.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on August 12, 2015, 09:14:02 AM

Joe started a Twitch channel and he's just gonna upload his unedited live streams.

Should have one in which he shaves his beard. Should.

HELL NO.

There should be an episode of Game Sack dedicated to HIRSUTE CHARACTERS and Joe shaves off his beard for a finale.

Fair enough, I'd watch that. hehe
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 12, 2015, 07:24:11 PM
I'd do that. What an insane topic that would be but I'd do it for the sketch. Did it once before for the "gaming on a budget" episode or whatever we called it.
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Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 14, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
http://youtu.be/PASL8ScUsUE



Another great one.  Quality commentating. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on August 14, 2015, 07:22:10 PM
Glad to hear you guys are updating weekly now.  Here's hoping the quality remains as high.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 14, 2015, 07:58:06 PM

I'd do that. What an insane topic that would be but I'd do it for the sketch. Did it once before for the "gaming on a budget" episode or whatever we called it.

This will be award-winning filmmaking, truly.

:)

I am trying to think of the hairiest characters, besides the obvious...I think the obvious stuff (Donkey Kong, Arthur from Ghosts n Goblins)&, the  rodent category (Mr. Nutz, Conker, ) could be acknowledged briefly, but focus on bearded and mustachioed characters. Or quaffed hair + stubble (the last boss in Vigilante?)


Hmmmm, this is tougher than it sounds.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 14, 2015, 08:28:12 PM
An episode on facial hair would be awesome. Because everyone knows:
A man without a beard is like a woman with one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on August 15, 2015, 01:04:46 AM
An episode on facial hair would be awesome. Because everyone knows:
A man without a beard is like a woman with one.
A secret taboo?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 15, 2015, 07:49:15 PM
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Post by: MrBroadway on August 15, 2015, 08:27:52 PM
Good episode. This is definitely a console that I always eyed but never really researched, so it's a very welcome overview.

My only very minor complaint is that I wish you guys would have talked more about NTSC compatibility (as you mentioned that most games had PAL TVs in mind).

But man, most of those games are games are super weak. Crazy that Overkilled is just killed by Atlantean, even though the PC Engine came out six years prior. And Starfox, Doom, and Zombies Ate My Neighbors just crush their Amiga counterparts. "If you want awesome platformers look elsewhere, because this is Superfrog!"

I'll second your opinion about Banshee, though. It'd be awesome to see that game come to the PCE Engine *cough* *cough*.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 15, 2015, 11:37:51 PM
Poor CD32. I had an Amiga 500 in the mid 90s, which must have been the most popular home computer of the Amiga line. It shows through that game developers seem to went the safe way in that many games needed to be able to run on these basic Amiga machines with low specs. Thus the pitiful 1-button joystick controls, 32 colours on screen and restrictions for simultaneous BGM/sound effects output.
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Post by: Dicer on August 16, 2015, 04:34:08 AM
Great episode, and a sad way for Commodore to go away...

Stupid CD32

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 16, 2015, 12:46:24 PM
Stellar episode Joe.

It would have been fun for you to try the Street Fighter II port for it. It's TERRIBLE.

It runs at like 6 frames per second.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on August 16, 2015, 03:24:08 PM
Great quality ep. CD32 graphics and palette look kinda creepy. Pretty cool Toshiba TV set you got there. Cant wait for the next obscure console.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 17, 2015, 01:22:55 AM
I have never played CD32 and look forward to this episode.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 17, 2015, 04:41:29 AM
Above average for sure.  What a failed console. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on August 17, 2015, 07:15:00 AM
Same as the Jaguar.... This is it? Where'd all the extra bits go?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 17, 2015, 08:28:32 AM
Same as the Jaguar.... This is it? Where'd all the extra bits go?
Are you sure its 32-bit and not 32 kilobits? :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 17, 2015, 08:44:37 AM

My only very minor complaint is that I wish you guys would have talked more about NTSC compatibility (as you mentioned that most games had PAL TVs in mind).


Well we didn't have an NTSC console to test compatibility with. We did run across a couple games that were NTSC only... Zool and Flink. They would not run in PAL mode. You can boot the console into "NTSC" which is using the term VERY loosely. It runs at NTSC timing (59.94 fields per second) but it still send the color information out as PAL. As a result, the games ran in black and white for me. I was able to find and download a PAL copy of Zool so I could play and record it in color. Could not source a PAL version of Flink to download. All copies uploaded that I could find were NTSC.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on August 17, 2015, 09:06:35 AM
Above average for sure.  What a failed console. 

I really don't think that you can consider it a "console".

It was just Commodore's desperate attempt to repackage the Amiga 1200, and then quickly sell a few in the hope of staving off bankruptcy.

They tried exactly the same thing with the Europe-only Commodore 64GS console.

The Amiga was amazing when it came out in 1985 ... but it was looking pretty underpowered as soon as the 4th-gen consoles came out.

The AGA upgrade in 1992's Amiga 1200 still left it lagging behind in almost every way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on August 17, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
http://youtu.be/9J_f24jjVIE

Hey, so Joe did find a gem on that thing, that 1940-styled Capcom-looking shooter looks like it might be worth the trouble of actually pirating and finding an emulator for! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_f24jjVIE&t=31m38s
I do not know why, but jump/timed-in links do not work anymore with Game Sack links or maybe Youtube in general - it only takes you, at best, halfway into the video. I think the ads cause a conflict.

So the game I'm referring to is 31:38 into it and it's called "Banshee" - you'll have to scroll to that point yourself. Seems the timed links work if the value is less than half the length of the video though, at least, that's what I found... Weird.

But yeah, that vertical shooter looks interesting, though it's a shame they chose not to add kickin' background music tracks to the levels... The background story, like Joe says, is pretty absurdly ridiculous but in a somewhat good lulz-worthy way. "The Sytx Empire" - LMAO!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on August 17, 2015, 02:15:49 PM
Above average for sure.  What a failed console. 

I really don't think that you can consider it a "console".

It was just Commodore's desperate attempt to repackage the Amiga 1200, and then quickly sell a few in the hope of staving off bankruptcy.

They tried exactly the same thing with the Europe-only Commodore 64GS console.

The Amiga was amazing when it came out in 1985 ... but it was looking pretty underpowered as soon as the 4th-gen consoles came out.

The AGA upgrade in 1992's Amiga 1200 still left it lagging behind in almost every way.

If only AAA happened maybe they would have rebounded, but they got stupid and cheap.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on August 17, 2015, 03:58:41 PM
A good episode, guys.  My comments:

The 1st dirty secret is: Most (meaning >50%) Amiga games are pretty bad & derivative.  The many great games are absolutely stellar, but the average ones, pee-yew!  A lot of European coders were overly fixated on cloning Rainbow Islands / Sonic  "fruit" collecting paradigms or Gradius+Darius half-breeds, but missing out on the things that made those 4 games great.

The 2nd dirty secret is: the stock Motorola 68000 CPU found in the Genesis, Amiga, Atari ST, and Jaguar already IS 32-bits, so there isn't a quantum leap from '80s arcade/Genesis games to CD-32 games, which is what you're noticing.  All 680x0s up to the 68030 lacked a floating-point math coprocessor, meaning 3D games will suffer in speed on any system that uses these CPUs (a more important factor, I think.)  Higher-spec 680x0 processors added wider data lines (and multiplication widths) which is mainly a speed increase, not an architectural one.

If people look at external pins only, then the 68000 (Genesis) is 16-bit, and the 65c816 (SNES) 8-bit.  If people look at the internal registers (ie, what the programmer sees) then the Genesis is 32-bit, and the SNES 16-bit.  Unfortunately, we're in a weird world where both the Genesis and SNES were "called" 16-bit systems.

OK, about the video: You guys went on and on about the crappy CD32 pad, but you never mentioned the excellent Competition Pro pad, which you obviously had.

... and, "uninhindered"  ?  ;-D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on August 17, 2015, 04:25:04 PM
The 1st dirty secret is: Most (meaning >50%) Amiga games are pretty bad & derivative.  The many great games are absolutely stellar, but the average ones, pee-yew!

Can you recommend any particularly good games?

I came across my Amiga 1200 in the garage this weekend and am looking for a reason to plug it in again.  :wink:

You never know ... perhaps Game Sack will run out of console stories someday, and Joe will start looking at home computer games!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 17, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
The 1st dirty secret is: Most (meaning >50%) Amiga games are pretty bad & derivative.  The many great games are absolutely stellar, but the average ones, pee-yew!

Can you recommend any particularly good games?

I came across my Amiga 1200 in the garage this weekend and am looking for a reason to plug it in again.  :wink:

You never know ... perhaps Game Sack will run out of console stories someday, and Joe will start looking at home computer games!

Turrican and Turrican 2. Yeah. Go play them now! And bump that music!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 17, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
I think I've heard AGA before, but what's AAA?

One or two years ago, I thought about getting an Amiga 1200 to relive some childhood memories. However, before I could do that, I tried Amiga Forever, which is a commercial Amiga emulator for PC. It is officially sanctioned by whoever is now holding the rights for the old Commodore hard- and software, thus it includes the OS and some games to start with.

Trying Amiga Forever made me realize that my enjoyment in Amiga games isn't as high as I anticipated.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on August 17, 2015, 06:37:25 PM
[edited on account of stupidity]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on August 17, 2015, 06:52:43 PM
I think I've heard AGA before, but what's AAA?

"AAA" was the super-duper graphics chipset for the next-gen Amiga 1200 that Commodore promised ... and never delivered.

"AGA" was the relatively minor update that they actually ended up shipping.

"AGA" gave you 8-bitplanes instead of the original 6 ... so 1 256-color screen, or 1 64-color-layer plus 1 4-color layer (I think that you saw that mode in one of the shoot-em-ups), or various other combinations.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 18, 2015, 06:24:13 AM

OK, about the video: You guys went on and on about the crappy CD32 pad, but you never mentioned the excellent Competition Pro pad, which you obviously had.


This episode wasn't about 3rd party peripherals, it was about the real deal. I don't think I would call it "excellent". Better than the stock pad? Obviously. But the Genesis 3-button form factor rip-off turned me off. Too bad real Genesis controllers like the 6-button can't be used with games that use more than a single button.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on August 18, 2015, 09:53:04 AM
If people look at external pins only, then the 68000 (Genesis) is 16-bit, and the 65c816 (SNES) 8-bit.  If people look at the internal registers (ie, what the programmer sees) then the Genesis is 32-bit, and the SNES 16-bit.  Unfortunately, we're in a weird world where both the Genesis and SNES were "called" 16-bit systems.

That's an interesting point. So the Motorolla 68000 is technically a 32-bit CPU and you have 32-bit internal registers, but the way it was interfaced with the rest of the motherboard on a console like Sega Genesis, it effectively was limited down to 16-bit ? Yeah, I think I always thought it was 16-bit...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_68000

Just read that, I see, so what's referred to as the external data bus is 16-bit and it seems they're referring to it as a hybrid 16/32-bit CPU there. So really, yeah, Sega could've gone around and hyped the Genesis as a 32-bit machine I guess.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on August 18, 2015, 12:32:53 PM
Just read that, I see, so what's referred to as the external data bus is 16-bit and it seems they're referring to it as a hybrid 16/32-bit CPU there. So really, yeah, Sega could've gone around and hyped the Genesis as a 32-bit machine I guess.
And then Nintendo could have gone around and hyped the SNES as 8-bit, like... the... uh, TurboGrafx.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on August 18, 2015, 03:02:37 PM
Looking forward to weekly episodes. I just can't enough of Dave!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on August 18, 2015, 03:23:13 PM
Thanks for Game Sack, Joe. I've been a fan for a while now, and I have enjoyed every episode. Like a lot of people, the TG16 was completely unknown to me until a couple years ago. Without Game Sack, I probably wouldn't have bought one. Also, the closing skit this week was one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 19, 2015, 01:01:03 AM


Well we didn't have an NTSC console to test compatibility with. We did run across a couple games that were NTSC only... Zool and Flink. They would not run in PAL mode. You can boot the console into "NTSC" which is using the term VERY loosely. It runs at NTSC timing (59.94 fields per second) but it still send the color information out as PAL. As a result, the games ran in black and white for me. I was able to find and download a PAL copy of Zool so I could play and record it in color. Could not source a PAL version of Flink to download. All copies uploaded that I could find were NTSC.

I don't recall what model PVM you have, but they're generally excellent at displaying weird signals. Did you hook it up to your video capture card or into a monitor?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 19, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
Sounds like what we Euro cavemen call PAL-60. Which is usually a signal with 60 Hz, NTSC 480 lines resolution and PAL colour coding. This was an option supported by a lot of PAL GameCube games (some even ran only in PAL-60 like Metroid Prime 2), which might helped the developers to save costs when converting from NTSC to PAL, and we PAL gamers liked the option since it made shitty conversions obsolete. This mode was supported by a lot of PAL TVs starting in the 90s.

The PAL PlayStation 2 has a similar 60Hz mode supported by some PAL games as well, but this time it is true NTSC with the respective colour coding. Most PAL TVs back in the day needed to be fed with RGB signals to bypass the NTSC color coding when playing these PS2 games in 60Hz.

So I guess the CD32 hasn't RGB from the start?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on August 20, 2015, 11:34:56 AM
You guys not red dwarf fans? Chris Barrie as Simon the Sorcerer is worth an honourable mention.
PAL FTW.
Also clod the French CD 32 did RGB out the box, the others can be modded or tapped from the EXT port like PCE.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on August 20, 2015, 04:23:29 PM

You guys not red dwarf fans? Chris Barrie as Simon the Sorcerer is worth an honourable mention.
PAL FTW.
Also clod the French CD 32 did RGB out the box, the others can be modded or tapped from the EXT port like PCE.

I don't think Joe or Dave watch Red Dwarf, let alone are fans (Necro and I have seen every episode several times, most likely).



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on August 20, 2015, 05:32:41 PM

You guys not red dwarf fans? Chris Barrie as Simon the Sorcerer is worth an honourable mention.
PAL FTW.
Also clod the French CD 32 did RGB out the box, the others can be modded or tapped from the EXT port like PCE.

I don't think Joe or Dave watch Red Dwarf, let alone are fans (Necro and I have seen every episode several times, most likely).

Obviously a pair of Smeg Heads!

And "no", I'm definitely not going to say which "pair".  :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on August 20, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Live stream goin on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJU3HRx6AiE
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on August 21, 2015, 07:00:50 AM
Chris Barrie as Simon the Sorcerer is worth an honourable mention.

Heh, now I want to play it..... or at least catch some youtube footage.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on August 21, 2015, 09:45:10 AM
Chris Barrie as Simon the Sorcerer is worth an honourable mention.

Heh, now I want to play it..... or at least catch some youtube footage.  :mrgreen:
He's quite a talented voice actor / impressionist.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on August 21, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
He's quite a talented voice actor / impressionist.

Indeed.  I always enjoy the Red Dwarf bits where he apes the other cast members.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on August 21, 2015, 09:49:38 AM
He's quite a talented voice actor / impressionist.

Indeed.  I always enjoy the Red Dwarf bits where he apes the other cast members.
Have you listened to the two RD audio books where he narrates and plays all the cast? Very good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on August 21, 2015, 09:52:04 AM
Have you listened to the two RD audio books where he narrates and plays all the cast? Very good.

Nope, but I'll put 'em on the list.  :mrgreen:
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Post by: TR0N on August 22, 2015, 08:02:15 PM
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 22, 2015, 08:52:12 PM
Maaaan, SVC Chaos has some sweet sprites and very fluid animation. To me, this game has got the nicest graphics of the games shown in this episode. Although the fighters of Bloody Roar 2 are done well compared to other 3D PlayStation games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 24, 2015, 05:05:28 AM
 SVC Chaos was also available on the USA Original XBOX and not limited to EU release.  I have it in fact but I just play my MVS Version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on August 24, 2015, 08:39:02 PM
Why don't you do a Cheating Device Episode

About the Game Genie for the 8-bit/16-bit Systems and the Gameshark/Action Replay for the 32-bit/64-bit Systems
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on August 24, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
...the Gameshark/Action Replay for the 32-bit/64-bit Systems
Action Replay also came out for most major 8/16-bit consoles, portables, and home computers.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on August 25, 2015, 02:54:12 AM
I'd be interested in such an episode, too. Maybe there are some funny cheats and glitches to show off that are otherwise inaccessible?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on August 25, 2015, 04:50:50 AM
A cheat device episode should include stuff like the NES save state device.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on August 25, 2015, 09:36:18 AM
Hey, an episode where I actually own all of the games you talk about!  ...aside from an actual AES port of SvC Chaos, anyway.  I love fighting games; I've been playing them for as long as I can remember.  If you want to beat Goenitz in SvC Chaos the easiest method is to walk up to the range where you'll get hit with his tornado, crouch block, and then dash cancel as soon as he uses his attack.

If you do another video on fighting games I hope you talk about Breakers and the sequel (my favorite under-rated fighting game) Breakers Revenge.  I'm at least somewhat certain that the sequel was only released for mvs though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 29, 2015, 07:20:58 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on August 29, 2015, 07:55:22 PM
ENERGY BUTTF*CK!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on August 31, 2015, 03:00:01 AM
Another great episode.  I am liking these faster releases and not too much of a loss in quality.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on August 31, 2015, 06:53:45 AM
Another good episode. That Goemon game looks like a blast to play.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 01, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
 :shock: :?: :shock: :?:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 02, 2015, 01:08:59 AM
Where do we go?

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 02, 2015, 01:30:27 AM

:shock: :?: :shock: :?:
http://youtu.be/Gn6c0KAnsz4


This is the best promotion I've seen for anything in a long time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on September 02, 2015, 03:18:18 AM
Is this the point that Game Sack jumps the shark?!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 02, 2015, 07:21:38 AM

Is this the point that Game Sack jumps the shark?!

Game Sack jumped the shark a long time ago*, but it is still infinitely better than 99% of the content on TubeYou, so it is a moot point.

*Just kidding.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 02, 2015, 07:41:20 AM
I pimped this over at NEOGAF, I wan't my cut of the profits, in the form of reproductions...

Joe PM me for shipping info, thank you.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on September 03, 2015, 03:59:58 PM
Love all the Episode guys

But kinda upset Joe left Sega-16, I heard some people bitch about his videos
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 03, 2015, 04:17:33 PM
Sega-16 is mostly toxic anyway. Not much loss is there. I don't know why I keep going except that I haven't found a semi-decent replacement.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on September 03, 2015, 07:01:46 PM
Is this the point that Game Sack jumps the shark?!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 04, 2015, 12:27:15 AM

Love all the Episode guys

But kinda upset Joe left Sega-16, I heard some people bitch about his videos

When you say Joe left Sega-16, do you mean he is avoiding it...or did he delete his account?

I know Joe has mentioned that it is impossible to create videos that please everyone...because we nerds tend to be cantankerous whiners.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on September 04, 2015, 12:45:45 AM

Love all the Episode guys

But kinda upset Joe left Sega-16, I heard some people bitch about his videos

When you say Joe left Sega-16, do you mean he is avoiding it...or did he delete his account?

From what I've read in that particular thread, it was a case of throwing a bit of a hissy fit and leaving. Account is still active.

Can't say I blame him, though. You can only take so much whining before it gets on your nerves.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on September 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on September 05, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
I'm looking forward to see more of these episodes in the future.
Joe and Dave, you did good on the post-credits skit. Some fans of Japanimation take themselves too seriously.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 07, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
I really liked Berserk on the Dreamcast.  I'd seen the anime a few years prior and had not yet read the manga so a few things were kinda weird plotline wise.  However, Guts killing dudes with a huge sword was exactly what I wanted and this game delivered.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on September 07, 2015, 12:20:45 PM
I really liked Berserk on the Dreamcast.  I'd seen the anime a few years prior and had not yet read the manga so a few things were kinda weird plotline wise.  However, Guts killing dudes with a huge sword was exactly what I wanted and this game delivered.

Apparently there's an English patch for the Japan only PS2 game, "Millennium Falcon" as well. Looks pretty good, like better than Guts' Rage good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 07, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
Dave picked my single favorite anime game. Astro Boy for Game Boy Advance. I highly recommend it
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 09, 2015, 01:25:28 PM
A cheating device episode would be good. I have a Genesis Game Genie. I think that's all the cheating devices we have. We'd have to track down a ton more. We could borrow some but we'd likely have to borrow from multiple sources and that'd mean such items would be in our possession for quite a long time. Is "that'd" a word? I've got a red underline under that bitch.

As for Sega-16, it was the constant nitpicking over stupid things that weren't even worded as a form as constructive criticism. I can usually take this kind of nonsense but when the other flies start circling the shit and all jump on board it just gave me a feeling of being quite unwelcome there. But hey, I'm glad they're at least talking about the show even if it's not good. I'm just not obligated to be part of that conversation. The bigger ANY forum gets, the more of this there is. If this forum were as big as Sega-16 it'd be just as obnoxious. People tell me Nintendo Age is very bad in a similar way. Someone linked me a Neo GAF thread about our Final Bosses site and reading that thread you'd think Game Sack was some sort of show dedicated to crushing transgender people and women. One moron or two even said something like "Ima unsub from Game Sack because they dare be friends with Alpha Omega Sin". Seems extremely shallow to me, but at least they're clearing the pool of idiots from our audience so that we don't have to do it ourselves. Alpha is a great friend. He's very sincere, empathetic and never lets his ego get in the way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 09, 2015, 01:28:56 PM
A cheating device episode would be good. I have a Genesis Game Genie. I think that's all the cheating devices we have. We'd have to track down a ton more. We could borrow some but we'd likely have to borrow from multiple sources and that'd mean such items would be in our possession for quite a long time. Is "that'd" a word? I've got a red underline under that bitch.

As for Sega-16, it was the constant nitpicking over stupid things that weren't even worded as a form as constructive criticism. I can usually take this kind of nonsense but when the other flies start circling the shit and all jump on board it just gave me a feeling of being quite unwelcome there. But hey, I'm glad they're at least talking about the show even if it's not good. I'm just not obligated to be part of that conversation. The bigger ANY forum gets, the more of this there is. If this forum were as big as Sega-16 it'd be just as obnoxious. People tell me Nintendo Age is very bad in a similar way. Someone linked me a Neo GAF thread about our Final Bosses site and reading that thread you'd think Game Sack was some sort of show dedicated to crushing transgender people and women. One moron or two even said something like "Ima unsub from Game Sack because they dare be friends with Alpha Omega Sin". Seems extremely shallow to me, but at least they're clearing the pool of idiots from our audience so that we don't have to do it ourselves. Alpha is a great friend. He's very sincere, empathetic and never lets his ego get in the way.

I started that NeoGaf thread and (un)expectedly it turned to shit, I really should know better by now.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 09, 2015, 01:38:00 PM
To be fair, AlphaOmegaSin is incredibly annoying (as a Youtube "personality" or whatever). That said, I just simply don't listen to him, and stay watching GameSack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 09, 2015, 01:42:38 PM
To be fair, AlphaOmegaSin is incredibly annoying (as a Youtube "personality" or whatever). That said, I just simply don't listen to him, and stay watching GameSack.

Yeah but to unsuub because of by proxy, f*ck that hive mind mentality nonsense...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on September 09, 2015, 02:19:49 PM
To be fair, AlphaOmegaSin is incredibly annoying (as a Youtube "personality" or whatever). That said, I just simply don't listen to him, and stay watching GameSack.

Yeah but to unsuub because of by proxy, f*ck that hive mind mentality nonsense...
Oh, sure, sure. The circlejerk is strong at NeoGAF. I don't see why anyone could give a f*ck who someone is friends with online and why that would problematize their watching of their videos, but that's the internet for ya.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 09, 2015, 04:45:24 PM


.....
The bigger ANY forum gets, the more of this there is. If this forum were as big as Sega-16 it'd be just as obnoxious. People tell me Nintendo Age is very bad in a similar way. Someone linked me a Neo GAF thread about our Final Bosses site and reading that thread you'd think Game Sack was some sort of show dedicated to crushing transgender people and women. One moron or two even said something like "Ima unsub from Game Sack because they dare be friends with Alpha Omega Sin". Seems extremely shallow to me, but at least they're clearing the pool of idiots from our audience so that we don't have to do it ourselves. Alpha is a great friend. He's very sincere, empathetic and never lets his ego get in the way.

Well, as you yourself said at some point, it is literally impossible to satisfy everyone.  Especially when the criticism is petty/unfair.

Then you have haters.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on September 09, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
Joe, You and Dave are Awesome..You can't please everyone on the internet, There's going to haters

Keep up the good work
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on September 09, 2015, 10:00:45 PM
Someone linked me a Neo GAF thread about our Final Bosses site and reading that thread you'd think Game Sack was some sort of show dedicated to crushing transgender people and women.

The authentic NeoGAF experience.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on September 10, 2015, 01:50:02 AM
How are people complaining about free, high quality videos?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 11, 2015, 11:05:04 AM

I started that NeoGaf thread and (un)expectedly it turned to shit, I really should know better by now.


Actually, thanks for doing that. Even though it became laden with living feces making some posts, it's still good that people see it and know there's a site that will have extra content that would normally clutter up our channel. Hell this weekend I'll be posting a video that got auto-flagged by Youtube. It's a companion piece to the episode we'll be releasing. And we'll eventually be talking about music in videogames. Wanna get the convention schedule out of the way first.

And yeah, it's always fun to count how long it takes us to get our first thumbs down on Youtube. Usually it's a matter of minutes. That means people are feverishly waiting for us to release a new video just so they can thumb us down. The dedication is actually kind of cool.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 12, 2015, 07:19:41 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 13, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
If you do another video on this topic I'd suggest discussing the two Tetris games on the NES and the Tengen NES games in general.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 13, 2015, 12:41:02 AM

If you do another video on this topic I'd suggest discussing the two Tetris games on the NES and the Tengen NES games in general.

Well, for Tetris, it was about licensing rights and contracts.

The actual content of Tetris was not controversial.

The fatalities and blood in Mortal Kombat were controversial content in a game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on September 13, 2015, 01:22:31 AM
Joe, good episode and interesting topic. The court interviews dragged on a bit too long for their own good in the Night Trap segment, but this is just my own opinion. I found your analysis on the Sega and Nintendo chairmans very amusing and informative at the same time.

If you do another video on this topic I'd suggest discussing the two Tetris games on the NES and the Tengen NES games in general.
Well, for Tetris, it was about licensing rights and contracts.

The actual content of Tetris was not controversial.

The fatalities and blood in Mortal Kombat were controversial content in a game.
That's debatable.

SCNR.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 13, 2015, 01:44:17 AM

If you do another video on this topic I'd suggest discussing the two Tetris games on the NES and the Tengen NES games in general.

Well, for Tetris, it was about licensing rights and contracts.

The actual content of Tetris was not controversial.

The fatalities and blood in Mortal Kombat were controversial content in a game.

Ah, but I'd argue that this episode talking about the Capcom vs Data East lawsuit wasn't exactly the same sort of controversy as red pixels did during the 16 bit era.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on September 15, 2015, 02:59:32 PM

:shock: :?: :shock: :?:
http://youtu.be/Gn6c0KAnsz4


This is the best promotion I've seen for anything in a long time.

Ah, that's Joe's "Monster Truck" promotional voice! First greatness of that I saw was with that Retropalooza event he was promoting:

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10120.msg365465#msg365465
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on September 15, 2015, 08:32:54 PM
Yay!  It's the episode on controversial games I was hoping for!  I have to admit that seeing Howard Lincoln being such a perfect lawyer (i.e. evil) was genuinely upsetting.  What an opportunistic jerk.

Please tell me you guys will do an episode on content that was censored for the west.  The Exile games need more love!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on September 16, 2015, 09:41:53 AM
Yay!  It's the episode on controversial games I was hoping for!  I have to admit that seeing Howard Lincoln being such a perfect lawyer (i.e. evil) was genuinely upsetting.  What an opportunistic jerk.

Please tell me you guys will do an episode on content that was censored for the west.  The Exile games need more love!
I 2nd that request. Maybe differences in RPGS like Dragon Quest, and Earthbound. Or Bonk 3. Lots and lots to choose from.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 19, 2015, 07:55:19 PM
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Post by: MrBroadway on September 19, 2015, 08:40:46 PM
Rope-avania! Also, glad I'm not the only one who doesn't fawn over CV Legends.

Also, who hates the overhead levels of Contra III? I thought they're fun enough, never had much of a problem with them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on September 19, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Also, who hates the overhead levels of Contra III? I thought they're fun enough, never had much of a problem with them.

Sega Babies, who complain about any use of Mode 7 in any game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on September 20, 2015, 06:42:57 AM
Rope-avania! Also, glad I'm not the only one who doesn't fawn over CV Legends.

Also, who hates the overhead levels of Contra III? I thought they're fun enough, never had much of a problem with them.

Besides the fact that they're a tacked on gimmick which wrecks the pace of the game, they didn't put much effort into designing them and the graphics are too generic and repetitive, but then when you add in superfluous rotation, it's becomes all the more disorientating. It's like a zoomed in maze game with enemies/bullets that appear on screen too quickly. If nothing else it should have used assets half the size to make the viewing area play-friendly.

The original Contra's alternate stages weren't such a jarring change in gameplay, pacing and feel. The Mode 7 stages in Alien Wars take you out of the game and you're just kind of working to get past them and then all of a sudden you're dropped back into a Contra game which you have to get the hang of again.

It would be a much better game if you could opt out of the overhead stages.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on September 20, 2015, 07:46:31 AM
Ah game boy. How I still cherish mine. So many memories. Though I don't have much love for 6 golden coins. Far too easy. I remember opening it Christmas morning and finishing it by dinner time.
Favourite game boy game not mentioned
Monster max
Best music on system imo and a great isometric puzzler.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 20, 2015, 09:22:30 AM

Ah game boy. How I still cherish mine. So many memories. Though I don't have much love for 6 golden coins. Far too easy. I remember opening it Christmas morning and finishing it by dinner time.
Favourite game boy game not mentioned
Monster max
Best music on system imo and a great isometric puzzler.

I don't think I have ever played Monster Max, unless it was given a different title for North America.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on September 20, 2015, 10:34:56 AM
Thanks for the GameBoy episode, enjoyable! Those 37 minutes flew by as if they were way shorter, which is always a good sign.

Although it seems to me like you guys slightly messed up the "colour" palette for Super Mario Land, Kirby 1 and Kirby 2 - these parts of the video look like white was swapped with light grey.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: johnnykonami on September 20, 2015, 11:23:49 AM
Beating the original Game Boy Castlevania was a proud moment for me, getting all the jump timing down especially.  It gets a lot of flack, but I remember it somewhat fondly despite its flaws.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on September 20, 2015, 11:36:04 AM

Ah game boy. How I still cherish mine. So many memories. Though I don't have much love for 6 golden coins. Far too easy. I remember opening it Christmas morning and finishing it by dinner time.
Favourite game boy game not mentioned
Monster max
Best music on system imo and a great isometric puzzler.

I don't think I have ever played Monster Max, unless it was given a different title for North America.
Same title as far as I'm aware but I think it was released quite a while after reviews appeared in magazines and had been forgotten about. Its a RARE gem, same composer as snake rattle n roll etc too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on September 20, 2015, 12:18:48 PM
AMAZING Game Boy Episode!!!  I had the Game Boy at launch and it was my primary gaming device for a couple of years and I really enjoyed it.  That Kid Dracula looks like a good one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 20, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
Gameboy!  Yay!  I always really liked Sword of Hope 2 and after you reviewed the first I was kinda hoping you'd review it.  That being said, you covered a lot of really cool games. 

Maybe Sword of Hope 2 and some more RPGs next time!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 20, 2015, 02:36:32 PM
Although it seems to me like you guys slightly messed up the "colour" palette for Super Mario Land, Kirby 1 and Kirby 2 slightly - these parts of the video look like white was swapped with light grey. 

We didn't mess it up, the Gameboy Player messed it up. I couldn't do much on my end to make it look better though I did brighten it up.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on September 20, 2015, 05:14:58 PM
Joe I'm torn about whether I should go to retropalooza. I wished there was no football game that weekend. The hotel rooms are through the roof or booked. Anyways if I don't get to go here is my panel question: What made you go to weekly episodes and what new challenges do you face doing it more frequently?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on September 20, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
The GameBoy Player is able to use the same button combinations for GB colour palette changing at startup as the GBC and GBA. As far as I remember, I never experienced such issues with all of these three handhelds/devices when playing these games.
I think holding Left+B at startup gives you a simple white-light grey-dark grey-black palette in the correct order  to somewhat mimic the original GB.

But I know the default color palette for Kirby 1 on GBC/GBA/GBP was rather irritating garish and inverted, though it is not the palette seen in the video.

Kirby 2 has some pretty nice color effects in the select world screen when played on the SGB, where it also has a custom border.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on September 21, 2015, 11:12:01 AM
Joe I'm torn about whether I should go to retropalooza. I wished there was no football game that weekend. The hotel rooms are through the roof or booked.

http://retropalooza.com/

Oh, I see, it's coincidental that I shared that old video again right about when the event occurs annually. I was gonna tell you that was Joe's video from last year, I didn't know the event is about to occur again on the 26th-27th. By the looks of it, Game Sack will be there again this year then ?

EDIT: Yeah, Sack presence confirmed.

http://retropalooza.com/panels/

Quote
11:00 A.M. - 12:00 P.M.
ROOM A
Game Sack

Talk to the Sack. Dave and Joe will be on-hand for general chit chat. Ask whatever you want and all that kind of stuff. Just be sure to be there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: captain_n77 on September 22, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
The Gameboy episode was fantastic. I'm not a huge GB fan, but as was said earlier, the episode was so good the time just flew by. I always get giddy every Saturday now, as opposed to every other Saturday, waiting to see the next Sack episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 24, 2015, 07:01:45 PM

But I know the default color palette for Kirby 1 on GBC/GBA/GBP was rather irritating garish and inverted, though it is not the palette seen in the video.


Yeah it is, it's just desaturated. I'm not sure why the GBA and related players don't just default to black and white for normal GameBoy games. I never understood that. That's how they look their best!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on September 24, 2015, 10:33:32 PM
Maybe it's the same reasoning behind having 4:3 content blown up to 16:9 - people arguing "I bought a color display handheld, so I want even monochrome games being colored by default".

The Super GameBoy had some nice default color palletes built in, e.g. try Tetris and Super Mario Land once if you like to.

However, I agree with you about what the monochrome games look best. For my taste, the monochrome pallete of the GBC/GBA/GBP has a bit too much contrast for my taste, so light grey and dark grey look too much alike white and black. I'd have welcomed a more softer palette or even one that's emulating the yellowish look of the original GameBoy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on September 25, 2015, 03:29:26 AM
I really liked learning that the Super Game Boy II actually plays games at the proper speed Vs the original unit.  I wonder if it is worth searching out a Super Game Boy II to get it for that reason.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: IvanBeavkov on September 25, 2015, 06:33:35 AM
I really liked learning that the Super Game Boy II actually plays games at the proper speed Vs the original unit.  I wonder if it is worth searching out a Super Game Boy II to get it for that reason.


You can install a new clock crystal to make the Super Game Boy run at the correct speed. See here for instructions.

http://soundofsilver.co.uk/blog/2015/02/super-gameboy-speed-fix/
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on September 26, 2015, 03:15:32 PM

So did anybody here make it out to Retropalooza BTW ? I know a few people made it out last year.

(https://s5.postimg.cc/fbbl7nl47/Retropalooza2015.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 26, 2015, 09:18:22 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on September 30, 2015, 11:39:46 PM
Great episode. I've never even heard of most of those.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on October 01, 2015, 12:19:33 AM
I love the sideways head tilt bit, 'cause I admit I've done that sometimes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 01, 2015, 12:37:06 AM
I perform spastic ballet @arcade cabinet.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on October 02, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
The Trio Punch game uses a huc6280 processor (pce processor). The game could be hacked to run on the PCE if you hooked the graphic routines and converted them for PCE's video chip. From the looks of it, it seems fairly simple in what it's doing. The devil's in the details though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 02, 2015, 06:50:18 AM
Huh, so how many other arcades was Hudson's huc6280 CPU used in ?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on October 03, 2015, 07:40:59 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 03, 2015, 08:26:20 PM
http://youtu.be/GYPbOu6eEwc


paging NightWolve...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 03, 2015, 08:32:20 PM
Saw it, yeah. ;) Somebody posted about Ys IV in the comments section, but the fact is, it was already covered in that general Ys special episode. This does look like a good idea for a recurring theme like Left in Japan/Arcades though since there are so many fan translations.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on October 04, 2015, 11:26:15 AM
I'm trying to think of some of the translation patches I've played that aren't mainstream, but nothing's really coming to mind...  it's all just SNES RPGs like Bahamut Lagoon, Tales of Phantasia, Live a Live, Seiken Densetsu 3, and Star Ocean.  Actually, come to think of it, I have a vague memory of playing a translated Love Hina game for the GBA.  Wow... Love Hina... that's been ages ago.  Funny that I've since come to hate shows like that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 04, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
The first fan translated game I ever played was Final Fantasy V, followed by Final Fantasy IV by the J2e team.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 04, 2015, 04:01:20 PM
Yeah, "Final Fantasy V" was the first patch I had the motivation to really sit down, learn how to apply it to the ROM and fire it up on the ZSNES emulator. Heh, I still remember how "cool" I thought it was when zsKnight, one of the emulator creators, had answered me back over email on tech questions/comments and what not. My more dopey past, it was another time, another place. ;)

Anyway, I had beat to FFV to play catch up in the Final Fantasy series, after all, this was the point where you were learning about all the untranslated games that got left behind in Japan, how FFII was the 4th sequel starting on SNES, and how you missed out on 2 NES prior sequels, etc. These sorts of things led me to pursuing fan translation projects of my own, along with meeting Neill Corlett who was the top hacker for "Seiken Densetsu 3," "Bahamut Lagoon" and some others.

I did try the "Seiken Densetsu 3" patch too but I couldn't get into an RPG flow at the time actually, I dunno. So only played it to the intro. :/ Something better that caught my attention though was learning about what the UK got, but we didn't, and that was Quintet's Terranigma! All you needed was the ROM and emulator, it was professionally localized to UK English! Truly a great privilege and honor to have gotten to enjoy another masterpiece in the "Soul Blazer" and "Illusion of Gaia" saga! For sure!

Next up was "Ys IV: Mask of the Sun" also for the SNES, and here I can definitely say I gave up after getting a bit stuck half way, but being so bored out by the script, I just no longer cared to resume the thing and figure it out, plus I found it an offensive counterpart to the REAL Ys IV sequel, "Dawn of Ys" for PC Engine CD! :)

That's a bit of my story, and I'm sticking to it!

Oh and uh, GameSack4ever, brutha!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 04, 2015, 04:39:11 PM
Yeah, "Final Fantasy V" was the first patch I had the motivation to really sit down, learn how to apply it to the ROM and fire it up on the ZSNES emulator. Heh, I still remember how "cool" I thought it was when zsKnight, one of the emulator creators, had answered me back over email on tech questions/comments and what not. My more dopey past, it was another time, another place. ;)

Anyway, I had beat to FFV to play catch up in the Final Fantasy series, after all, this was the point where you were learning about all the untranslated games that got left behind in Japan, how FFII was the 4th sequel starting on SNES, and how you missed out on 2 NES prior sequels, etc. These sorts of things led me to pursuing fan translation projects of my own, along with meeting Neill Corlett who was the top hacker for "Seiken Densetsu 3," "Bahamut Lagoon" and some others.

My story is similar, though in 99 when I first came upon them, the FFV and other translated ROMs had been already patched and distributed. Remember the wild west before ROM naming conventions were formalized?

Another late 90s emulation memory is coming back... I remember having to download a single Neo Geo game all night over a 56k connection.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Mzo on October 04, 2015, 05:06:52 PM
Great episode, as always.

Super happy they showed Cocoron.  Takeru was formed by ex-Capcom employees (the Strider arcade guy and Akira Kitamura, the real guy behind Mega Man 1 and 2) and it really shows in the gameplay and design.  Their next game would be Little Samson, which is also excellent but bullshit expensive these days.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: GohanX on October 05, 2015, 03:23:10 AM
No Mzo, Inafune is god of the Megamanz!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 09, 2015, 09:12:37 PM
I really want to try that SNES Ys V translation patch. I can't recall my own Ys episode if the PS2 version was patched or not. Like I'd ever watch that hack of a show, the hosts are just awful. But anyway the SNES version is supposedly the "official cannon" version of the game so the next time we visit this topic that's one I'd like to try. There's soooooo much translated stuff on the SNES and NES. That's good and all but I wish there were more on other systems. We try to cover that stuff and we get "Why no Mother 3???" Who gives a shit? I mean I want to cover it just to get it out of the way but we don't have that one and there's no GBA Everdrive yet. Neither of us really wanna buy a repro of it. I'd rather talk about games like King Colossus or some other game that the entire internet doesn't already know about. Though sometimes we do cover those types of games to placate the masses.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on October 09, 2015, 09:31:06 PM
There's soooooo much translated stuff on the SNES and NES. That's good and all but I wish there were more on other systems. ... I'd rather talk about games like King Colossus or some other game that the entire internet doesn't already know about.

Errr ... Errr ... Errr ... So after your entire GameSack episode complaining about not being able to understand anything on the PC-FX, and then SamIAm and I get Zeroigar translated, and it hits your bullet-points, and ... ... ... nothing???

Just too obscure, I guess.  :?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on October 09, 2015, 10:09:24 PM
I believe that the PC-FX system that they used for that episode was loaned to them.

Hey Joe, if you ever want a PC-FX for "Fan Translations 2", holla. I have five spares in my house. That's right, five.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 10, 2015, 12:35:29 AM

I really want to try that SNES Ys V translation patch. I can't recall my own Ys episode if the PS2 version was patched or not. Like I'd ever watch that hack of a show, the hosts are just awful. But anyway the SNES version is supposedly the "official cannon" version of the game so the next time we visit this topic that's one I'd like to try. There's soooooo much translated stuff on the SNES and NES. That's good and all but I wish there were more on other systems. We try to cover that stuff and we get "Why no Mother 3???" Who gives a shit? I mean I want to cover it just to get it out of the way but we don't have that one and there's no GBA Everdrive yet. Neither of us really wanna buy a repro of it. I'd rather talk about games like King Colossus or some other game that the entire internet doesn't already know about. Though sometimes we do cover those types of games to placate the masses.

Your show is great at balancing popular/trendy franchises with lesser-known/fallen-out-of-favor/__________ titles. This is to the benefit of all.

I am not the typical viewer, but I imagine that many viewers learn about many games from your show.

GAMESACK — We are not the Top 40

GAMESACK (UK) — We are not Top of the Pops

GAMESACK (NJ) — Mother 3? Mother-f*cking hipsters.

If anything, I want GAMESACK  to go waaaaaay more niche and obscure, but understand that my peculiar interests are probably not shared by the GAMESACK audience... :)

Anyway, I always learn something from GAMESACK, especially because my knowledge of PS1 and beyond is weak :)





Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on October 10, 2015, 03:40:19 AM
I'm going to echo NightWolve on Terranigma.  Fantastic game that we sadly missed out on in the US.  Illusion of Gaia was one of my absolute favorite games.  I still have an old VHS tape somewhere with a recording of me playing through the whole thing and getting all 50 gems to beat an old foe from Soul Blazer.  I love, love, love that game.  It's what got me to actually research the Nazca Lines and Angkor Vat.  Those are both bucket list places for me to visit.

Actually, now that I think about it, there's a game on the PS1 from the guys at Quintet after they left Enix called The Granstream Saga, and it was also pretty fun.  That'd be an interesting one for you guys to cover in an episode.  I had fun with it, but sold it sometime in '98 or '99.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on October 10, 2015, 09:18:40 AM
I believe that the PC-FX system that they used for that episode was loaned to them.

Hey Joe, if you ever want a PC-FX for "Fan Translations 2", holla. I have five spares in my house. That's right, five.

I want one, because well, I want one...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 10, 2015, 11:16:12 AM

I'm going to echo NightWolve on Terranigma.  Fantastic game that we sadly missed out on in the US.  Illusion of Gaia was one of my absolute favorite games.  I still have an old VHS tape somewhere with a recording of me playing through the whole thing and getting all 50 gems to beat an old foe from Soul Blazer.  I love, love, love that game.  It's what got me to actually research the Nazca Lines and Angkor Vat.  Those are both bucket list places for me to visit.

Actually, now that I think about it, there's a game on the PS1 from the guys at Quintet after they left Enix called The Granstream Saga, and it was also pretty fun.  That'd be an interesting one for you guys to cover in an episode.  I had fun with it, but sold it sometime in '98 or '99.

Xevious = my Nazca intrigue. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on October 10, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on October 10, 2015, 08:20:12 PM
"longer and harder" - more dick puns, please!

Also, Joe, is it just me or have you (instead of Dave) done more and more Nintendo games over the past few years. I was surprised seeing you cover all the Famicom games and Terranigma, too.

Anyway, cool video.

Other games I would have liked to see are Gleylancer, Alien Soldier, the Master System Sonic games, Recca, and a crap ton of PC Engine games!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 10, 2015, 08:34:23 PM
http://youtu.be/dl-ij7rTiHY

All you're bases belong to us  :roll: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on October 11, 2015, 02:48:18 AM
Ha!  Very nice to see Terranigma covered right after talking so much about it.  A happy coincidence indeed.

I have to agree with the font.  It was definitely a turn-off for me initially when I first started to play as well.  It's odd, but I never had the same complaint with Soul Blazer and Illusion of Gaia, despite them using a similar font.  I guess I need to go back and look at them again.

Y'know, I know it seems completely non-tangential, but I was just thinking that I'd like to see you cover some of the better Sony Imagesoft games on the SNES.  Soul Blazer got me thinking about Skyblazer, and then I remembered Hook as well.  They aren't fantastic games, but a lot of fun to play through.  Hook is particularly interesting, considering it was a licensed movie tie-in.  I don't know, maybe most people hate it, but I genuinely have a lot of fun with it every time I play through it (which only takes an hour or so if you're familiar with everything).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MattJ on October 12, 2015, 03:08:51 AM
Very enjoyable episode Joe!

I second o.pwuaioc comment on the Sonic Master System games that were PAL only. I basically bought my first Master System just so I could play some of those. I think you may have covered Master of Darkness in an earlier episode, but that's great one to be pointed out. There were several quality Disney games too. We only got the Game Gear versions, but I enjoyed them. They're not like a the Capcom-produced Disney games for the NES and have a more puzzle-like feel instead of being a straightforward action platformer. I like the change of pace and variety that brings: 
- Donald Duck's Lucky Dime Caper
- Deep Duck Trouble starring Donald Duck
- Castle of Illusion
- Land of Illusion

The Asterix series is great, and I like the Ninja Gaiden SMS game, because it is completely different from the NES versions.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on October 12, 2015, 03:28:21 AM
I second o.pwuaioc comment on the Sonic Master System games that were PAL only.
Thinking about it now, a whole episode could be devoted to MS PAL games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MattJ on October 12, 2015, 03:45:59 AM
I second o.pwuaioc comment on the Sonic Master System games that were PAL only.
Thinking about it now, a whole episode could be devoted to MS PAL games.

That would be an awesome episode!!  :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on October 12, 2015, 06:36:40 AM
When I got my hands on Terranigma in 1997, I was O.K. with the font used, both style as well as size wise.  Since I had just a tiny TV back then, this made the text easier too read. But even today I prefer large fonts over those puny fonts used in today's games. Skyrim, Forza 4 and the unpatched version of Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts are premier examples of bad font design where you need a magnifying glass for reading the text even when sitting right in front of a 32" HDTV screen.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 15, 2015, 02:45:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRZThwrUsAUZSyR.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on October 15, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
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There. T e r r a n i g m a i s e d your post for you. :)

 Seriously, the problem with that game isn't the font or size, it's the spacing between the characters.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on October 15, 2015, 09:12:23 PM
Must have been lots of work on the space bar for you. Now that's dedication! Many thanks, got it!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 15, 2015, 09:27:57 PM
Lot of work to make a point about its font. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on October 16, 2015, 08:08:38 AM
Lot of work to make a point about its font. :)

Hahaha ... so Bonknuts ... keystroke-macro or regexp (or even "sed" if you're a Linux guy)?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gredler on October 16, 2015, 02:00:14 PM
(http://rubmint.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/534f0_homework-class-test-school-of-fail-word-of-the-day-kerning.jpg)
(http://www.havefunnytime.com/thumbs/its-called-kerning-155984.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/NxFUJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 17, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on October 18, 2015, 02:07:44 AM
I was actually surprised to see Joe gush so much over Mario after giving the Sonic games such a hard time.  I mean, I shouldn't have been, considering all the 3D Mario titles are much, much, much better. 

Still, I have to confess that I'm a fan of both Sonic Adventure titles.  I had the first one on the Dreamcast, but only ever had the demo of the second that came with Phantasy Star Online up until I bought the recent HD remaster of it on PSN.  I had actually rented it for the Gamecube once, but for some reason, as soon as the Tails mech stages were forced on me I was completely turned off.  I don't remember what year it was that the remaster came out, but I got 100% of the trophies and recall being surprised at what a blast I had with it.  Granted, I also somewhat enjoyed Sonic 4: Episodes 1 and 2, so what do I know?

I'll also say that I found Generations to be a FANTASTIC return to form.  I highly recommend you at least give it a whirl, Joe.

I also was surprised to see so many mainstream games in this episode.  Rayman 2 and Maximo were nice to see, but when I initially saw the episode title I thought I'd probably be seeing stuff like Gex, Croc, or the Banjo games.  I guess that'll have to be for another episode.

While I don't personally think of them as platformers (the first is most decidely not), you guys REALLY need to talk about the Legacy of Kain series.  It had some of the most engaging writing I had heard back in the late 90's.  That's also despite the fact that I typically shunned most games developed in the west back in my late teens and early 20's.  These managed to be an exception for me.  I mainly just like the first few games (though the load times in the original on PS1 are horrid), but I hear the others are okay.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on October 19, 2015, 06:20:25 AM
Lot of work to make a point about its font. :)

Hahaha ... so Bonknuts ... keystroke-macro or regexp (or even "sed" if you're a Linux guy)?
Manually. (*/ flexes fingers */)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: gekioh on October 19, 2015, 07:24:42 AM
Getting to meet Joe and Dave was pretty rad. Thanks Game Sack for coming to PRGE this year and I really hope you guys come back again next year.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 19, 2015, 07:43:32 AM
Getting to meet Joe and Dave was pretty rad. Thanks Game Sack for coming to PRGE this year and I really hope you guys come back again next year.

Shoot, if I had known you were there too we could have met up. :) I got a good picture with them too and got some questions in (could have killed Joe for calling me Dark Kobold lol) during the Q&A. Unbelievable how fast it went and how many people were losing their voices from talking so much during the convention. Here's me and my buddy that I haven't seen in 14 years. 
(https://s14.postimg.cc/soh49gz75/20151017_153618.jpg)
forum image hosting (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: gekioh on October 19, 2015, 08:16:19 AM
Well shoot yeah that would have been rad to get a PCEFX group photo. Oh well always next year. Are you local to Portland area BigusSchmuck? Ha ha did he call you Dark Kobold on purpose or is there a running joke behind that im not aware of?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 19, 2015, 08:26:52 AM
Well shoot yeah that would have been rad to get a PCEFX group photo. Oh well always next year. Are you local to Portland area BigusSchmuck? Ha ha did he call you Dark Kobold on purpose or is there a running joke behind that im not aware of?
Yeah there is some history between me and Darky (rather not open old wounds). I'm not local to the area, I live in rural eastern Oregon about 5 hours away from Portland. Anyway, I'll post some pictures and my thoughts on the thread I created about the convention. BTW,last episode rocked my wife loved it. Thanks again guys for posting quality stuff.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: gekioh on October 19, 2015, 08:32:50 AM
Ah got ya well say no more. Well if you are ever in the Salem/Keizer area for any old reason, drop me a PM. We can meet up and play some bomberman or DE II. About to to watch the most current episode now Game Sack, looks like without even having watched it yet I already know it's gonna be good lol. Keep up the excellent work guys.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on October 21, 2015, 09:47:26 AM
Ah, so are we sharing Game Sack photos here? Thanks for stopping by my booth, Joe. And I thank you and Dave for wearing my shirts on your shows! You guys were very chill and down to earth. Tell Jen she's awesome too :)

Here's the awesome Game Sack duo and a monkey  :3
(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/20151017_125021-e1445460373939.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on October 21, 2015, 11:21:07 AM
3D platformers has never exactly been my favorite genre.  That being said, I thought that the Sly Cooper series was magnificent.

Seeing Maximo kinda made me wonder if you guys are doing a Halloween episode.  There's a million spooky games out there.  Resident Evil, Ghosts and Goblins, Splatterhouse, Zombies ate my Neighbors, Alone in the Dark, etc
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 21, 2015, 11:24:11 AM
3D platformers has never exactly been my favorite genre.  That being said, I thought that the Sly Cooper series was magnificent.

Seeing Maximo kinda made me wonder if you guys are doing a Halloween episode.  There's a million spooky games out there.  Resident Evil, Ghosts and Goblins, Splatterhouse, Zombies ate my Neighbors, Alone in the Dark, etc
I concur, do one of Temco's Deception 1 for our Satanists fiends out there lol. Besides, it really is a sweet game. Oh yeah, who can forget Nightmare Before Christmas for the PS2?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 21, 2015, 01:30:40 PM
Getting to meet Joe and Dave was pretty rad. Thanks Game Sack for coming to PRGE this year and I really hope you guys come back again next year.

Shoot, if I had known you were there too we could have met up. :) I got a good picture with them too and got some questions in (could have killed Joe for calling me Dark Kobold lol) during the Q&A. Unbelievable how fast it went and how many people were losing their voices from talking so much during the convention. Here's me and my buddy that I haven't seen in 14 years. 
(https://s14.postimg.cc/soh49gz75/20151017_153618.jpg)
forum image hosting (http://postimage.org/)


Joe is just as smarmy in person as he is online it seems.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DarkKobold on October 21, 2015, 01:38:04 PM

 (could have killed Joe for calling me Dark Kobold lol)

Don't worry, the feeling is mutual.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: gekioh on October 22, 2015, 05:06:30 AM
3D platformers has never exactly been my favorite genre.  That being said, I thought that the Sly Cooper series was magnificent.

Seeing Maximo kinda made me wonder if you guys are doing a Halloween episode.  There's a million spooky games out there.  Resident Evil, Ghosts and Goblins, Splatterhouse, Zombies ate my Neighbors, Alone in the Dark, etc

3D platformers are hit and miss for me, like a case by case basis. There are plenty I like, and plenty I don't. Just depends I guess.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on October 25, 2015, 07:10:01 AM
Sorry to see you so under the weather in the latest video, Joe.  Take it easy, feel better, and don't worry about crazy people online who spend all their time complaining about free entertainment.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on October 25, 2015, 07:11:05 AM
"Shhhh! I'm trying to make an exciting video..."

Had me rolling lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on October 25, 2015, 07:17:13 AM
Get well soon, Joe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on October 25, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
http://youtu.be/mO34d4Q0b0Q

It's Sunday, GameSack-watching funday! Liked that Mirror's Edge game revolving around that French parkour.

"Shhhh! I'm trying to make an exciting video..."

Had me rolling lol

Which episode was that in ? I may try to watch another one today.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on October 25, 2015, 10:59:13 AM
Which episode was that in ? I may try to watch another one today.

No episode. Joe posted a video today explaining why there will not be GameSack episode this week, and it was interrupted by teh kitteh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on October 25, 2015, 12:18:08 PM
Which episode was that in ? I may try to watch another one today.

No episode. Joe posted a video today explaining why there will not be GameSack episode this week, and it was interrupted by teh kitteh.
Yeah when his cat was meowing, my cat followed suit. lol. Get well soon, I'm almost over the retrocon virus.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on October 25, 2015, 02:33:32 PM
Hope you feel better soon, Joe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: shawnji on October 31, 2015, 07:44:11 PM
Nice to have you guys back this week and feeling better.  You look a heck of a lot better than you did last week, that's for sure.

I'm astounded to see you guys finally do Hook, but I gotta' say, I can't believe Dave went the whole game without realizing he could hold "Y" to run or fly faster.  In his defense, it does take a second before the speed kicks in, so it's entirely possible that he tried it and assumed it didn't work.  It's just a shame, considering that was exactly what was keeping him from making it through the corridor of spikes unharmed.  Ah, well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on October 31, 2015, 08:25:14 PM
Nice entry! Although Dave did miss a couple things this episode.
One of his complaints in Yoshi's Story was about the list of fruit kinda clogging up the screen.
You can toggle the on-screen fruit frame off/on.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 31, 2015, 08:41:07 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 01, 2015, 03:33:15 AM
http://youtu.be/V_nMiV5B7XU



Good episode however a few items that need to be addressed.

1.    Dave said that you can't run in SNES Hook.  To run you need only hold down Y.  Pretty much like Super Mario.

2.     In Yoshi Story you can toggle off the fruit on the screen, it isn't permanent. 

3.     I am not sure that the "wolves" in Altered Beast are Wolves.  I believe that they are oxen
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 01, 2015, 04:20:03 AM
Joe and I share a new bond - Altered Beast Bros
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on November 01, 2015, 04:56:29 AM
Preview for next episode's title:

"Games that are not as badass you might think"
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 01, 2015, 02:17:02 PM

Good episode however a few items that need to be addressed.

1.    Dave said that you can't run in SNES Hook.  To run you need only hold down Y.  Pretty much like Super Mario.


You are the first to tell us this. Thanks.

2.     In Yoshi Story you can toggle off the fruit on the screen, it isn't permanent.

You are also the first person to tell us this. Thanks.

3.     I am not sure that the "wolves" in Altered Beast are Wolves.  I believe that they are oxen

So far in the comments on Youtube, people have thought that they were cows, pigs and somethings else. It's a wolf. Let us reference the manual:

(http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/wolves.jpg)

LOL u r WRONG on teh internet!  Ha ha just giving you a hard time, man. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 01, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
As an Altered Beast fan, I always knew they were wolves.

But they don't have three heads, even the illustration in the manual shows two heads.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on November 01, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
It's not a misinterpretation by localizations either, in the original arcade version they're called "Albino Raskelt(?) Wolf".


(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/abwolf.jpg)



But that English manual scan is ridiculous for adding an extra head to the description.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on November 01, 2015, 02:42:38 PM
Oxen ?  :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 01, 2015, 02:55:19 PM
It's not a misinterpretation by localizations either, in the original arcade version they're called "Albino Raskelt(?) Wolf".


(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/abwolf.jpg)



But that English manual scan is ridiculous for adding an extra head to the description.


I'm sure the translator was thinking of Cerberus, which is understandable.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Herakles_Kerberos_Eurystheus_Louvre_E701.jpg/800px-Herakles_Kerberos_Eurystheus_Louvre_E701.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on November 01, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
Should have tossed in Kieth courage, it's 1/2 a decent game...

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on November 02, 2015, 04:57:47 AM
But they don't have three heads, even the illustration in the manual shows two heads.

Well, it is a male wolf.......
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: csgx1 on November 02, 2015, 01:17:57 PM
Great episode, I'm a big fan of both Altered Beast and China Warrior. 

The Genesis version of Altered Beast is not the only home port with a two player mode.  The PC Engine Hucard version does has a two player mode.  PC Engine CD version doesn't for some reason. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 02, 2015, 02:24:06 PM
Great episode, I'm a big fan of both Altered Beast and China Warrior. 

The Genesis version of Altered Beast is not the only home port with a two player mode.  The PC Engine Hucard version does has a two player mode.  PC Engine CD version doesn't for some reason. 

Golden Ax was reduced to one player on the Sega CD for some strange reason as well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on November 02, 2015, 04:41:50 PM
Does this count?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on November 04, 2015, 11:13:31 AM
Great episode, I'm a big fan of both Altered Beast and China Warrior. 

The Genesis version of Altered Beast is not the only home port with a two player mode.  The PC Engine Hucard version does has a two player mode.  PC Engine CD version doesn't for some reason. 

Golden Ax was reduced to one player on the Sega CD for some strange reason as well.

This always drove me nuts as I liked the cd audio. At least the SCD version of Final Fight had cd audio and two player mode.


Watching Milon's Secret Castle reminded me of a friend with intellectual disability that got the game as a present. And although the intention of the gift was nice, I always felt bad since that was one of the only games he had to play.

Can't believe Dave missed that run option on hook :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 05, 2015, 06:35:43 PM
This latest one is at final bosses.Mostly so they don't have to deal with copyrights.
http://www.finalbosses.com/game-music-sack-is-some-video-game-music-plagiarized/
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on November 05, 2015, 07:07:48 PM

This latest one is at final bosses.Mostly so they don't have to deal with copyrights.
http://www.finalbosses.com/game-music-sack-is-some-video-game-music-plagiarized/


Oh man, this was awesome.  I can't wait for the next episode of Game Music Sack.  A couple of the songs they mentioned I knew, like Iron Man in Ninja Gaiden and the Zelda theme, but most of the others I wasn't aware of. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on November 05, 2015, 07:29:51 PM
Purty cool that work from "Conan: The Destroyer" wound up in there by one of Hollywood's great composers, Basil Poledouris!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on November 05, 2015, 09:33:24 PM
Add this to the list of things that "inspired" Snatcher and Metal Gear:

https://youtu.be/FqEujUKoi9Q?t=131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6YNlAkffcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsRG52Qs-Dk

Bear in mind, Hideo Kojima is a self-professed fan of Tangerine Dream.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on November 06, 2015, 03:22:30 AM
Purty cool that work from "Conan: The Destroyer" wound up in there by one of Hollywood's great composers, Basil Poledouris!

Basil Poledouris is a criminally underrated composer in my opinion, his work on Conan was phenomenal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on November 06, 2015, 09:13:36 AM
Seems like this thread may have been helpful as a few songs made the video.  This was a neat video.

 :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on November 07, 2015, 01:31:37 AM
Speaking of ripped off Cyberpunk, the (great) music in Illusion City (MSX, etc, but especially noticeable in the Mega-CD version) is a rip-off of Jean Michel Jarre's Revolutions album.


https://youtu.be/8CXilJIHAbU?t=39
vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMPiggwyOHE
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on November 07, 2015, 04:00:57 AM
They brought back the fart for the musical episode. Awesome. I hope we see some more eps like this one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 07, 2015, 06:36:37 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on November 08, 2015, 07:13:52 AM
Game Music Sack was very educating.


That lords of Thunder Music  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I got the Sega Cd game for Christmas one year from my girlfriend, I didn't know anything about it and I still remember the moment I started it, heard the cd spin up, and then that guitar rift.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on November 08, 2015, 10:58:43 PM
You guys need to get your Virtual Boy on. Galactic Pinball is a blast. It's probably my favorite pinball game. The sore lack of it in this episode inspired me not only to play it, but to go on to have a session of Bound High, which I enjoyed capitally. 8)

Does anyone else have a hard time watching pinball tables with scrolling? Even when it's smooth, the rapid up-down-up-down makes my eyes struggle. Galactic Pinball, like Necronomicon, has the advantage of letting you see the whole table without any scrolling.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on November 08, 2015, 11:47:39 PM
A tate mode 512 x 240 pixel single-screen PCE pinball game would be very cool.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 11, 2015, 01:38:24 PM
I am really surprised that they didn't do Devils or Alien Crush.  Two of my favorites and I thought would at least get a mention.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on November 11, 2015, 01:57:44 PM
I am really surprised that they didn't do Devils or Alien Crush.  Two of my favorites and I thought would at least get a mention.
They mentioned them and why they didn't review them.

Did you watch the video?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 11, 2015, 02:45:02 PM
I am really surprised that they didn't do Devils or Alien Crush.  Two of my favorites and I thought would at least get a mention.
They mentioned them and why they didn't review them.

Did you watch the video?

Musta missed it.


I just watched it again and yeah they mentioned it at the very end stating that they already covered it. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on November 12, 2015, 08:03:02 AM
Surprised no one has posted this yet.
http://finalbosses.com/game-sack-takes-portland/
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on November 12, 2015, 01:30:29 PM
Surprised no one has posted this yet.
http://finalbosses.com/game-sack-takes-portland/


So many familiar faces. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on November 12, 2015, 04:02:28 PM
Game music sack was indeed very interesting, especially the LoT to Rainbow connection.

I think it would be cool if when playing the original, "plagiarized" song, instead of just showing the album cover, you split the screen to also show gameplay footage. I think it would be interesting to see the game in action against the song that its music used as inspiration.

Love Game Sack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 12, 2015, 04:59:51 PM
I had to go put on Richie Blackmore's Rainbow.

So good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on November 12, 2015, 06:38:06 PM
Surprised no one has posted this yet.
http://finalbosses.com/game-sack-takes-portland/


So many familiar faces. :)


Got some free airing time there saru :)
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Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 14, 2015, 06:07:00 PM
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Post by: Black Tiger on November 15, 2015, 02:03:48 AM
If there's an "SNES Shumps 2", does this mean they've covered them all now?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on November 15, 2015, 04:45:02 AM

Got some free airing time there saru :)

Si, And free gropes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on November 15, 2015, 06:41:26 AM
lol, D Force was awful.  I think I only played it on one occasion when I rented it as a kid.  I remember staying at high elevation whenever possible because if I went low then went back up I kept running into enemies that were off screen. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on November 15, 2015, 07:11:19 AM
From looking at Joe's Game Sack episode guide, I think Macross Scrambled Valkyrie is still missing.

http://www.joeredifer.com/gamesack.html
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on November 15, 2015, 07:13:52 AM
If there's an "SNES Shumps 2", does this mean they've covered them all now?
Not quite, still haven't covered Macross nor Steel Talons though I would hardly call Steel Talons a traditional shump..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 15, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
If anyone is wondering, Darius Twin, Bio Metal, Imperium, and Sonic Wings (Aerofighters) are better than the faint praise Joe reluctantly gave them.

Gotta keep up the SNES narrative, I guess.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MrBroadway on November 15, 2015, 12:13:54 PM
If anyone is wondering, Darius Twin, Bio Metal, Imperium, and Sonic Wings (Aerofighters) are better than the faint praise Joe reluctantly gave them.

Gotta keep up the SNES narrative, I guess.
His final thoughts on Darius Twin and Sonic Wings didn't really match what he said about the game, which I thought was spot on. Still, conclusions aside, Sonic Wings is much better than he said it was, Darius Twin just better, but Bio Metal was accurate. I never played Imperium.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on November 15, 2015, 01:45:52 PM
I owned Darius Twin when it came out BITD - I thought it was only average. It was cool that it didn't seem to slow down, but there were much better shmups on the SNES. It was difficult to get excited about that game. I agree about the first stage music, though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 15, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
If anyone is wondering, Darius Twin, Bio Metal, Imperium, and Sonic Wings (Aerofighters) are better than the faint praise Joe reluctantly gave them

I didn't even talk about Imperium, numbnuts. LOL u r wrong on the internet!

My thoughts are accurate for how I feel. If you feel different, that does not make my thoughts inaccurate. Aero Fighters is good but not amazing. Why do you guys keep calling it Sonic Wings? Maybe if you lived in Japan I would understand it. Quit being weebo. The only time this is appropriate is Thunder Force 4 vs Lightening Force.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 15, 2015, 02:45:01 PM
I call it Sonic Wings because I own it under that name, and I own it because, much like Super Aleste, it costs about 30 USD instead of 300 USD for Aero Fighters (and Space Megaforce).

It's also a better name.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on November 15, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
Hahah you got called numbnuts and a weeb in the same post.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 15, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Yeah, he got me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 15, 2015, 04:53:22 PM
Game, set and match, bitch!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on November 16, 2015, 03:58:39 AM
Yeah, he got me.
You've been game sacked bitch![emoji48]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 16, 2015, 04:33:34 AM
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Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on November 18, 2015, 11:12:51 AM
they should have livened up the lineup a little bit with macross or targa/rendering ranger.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on November 18, 2015, 12:27:24 PM
By the way, if you do another music comparison video, here's another one:

Battle Garegga, Underwater Rampart (stage 2):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbINBnYeFA

Underground Resistance, Jupiter Jazz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDE6rVxELE
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 18, 2015, 06:10:54 PM
they should have livened up the lineup a little bit with macross or targa/rendering ranger.

They have looked at rendering ranger all ready.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 21, 2015, 06:55:12 PM
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Post by: shawnji on November 22, 2015, 02:52:23 AM
I feel your pain Joe.  I haven't been able to beat Legendary Axe yet, either.  It's funny that Dave mentioned Earthworm Jim 2.  I used to love the first one, but I'd always die really late in the game.  I came really close to finishing it once, but I met my end just before Queen Slug-for-a-Butt...  Good episode!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on November 22, 2015, 06:32:03 AM
I have Bested both LA I and II. I have also beat my meat, repeatedly. That game is awesome, but it doesn't last very long, but the replay value is mad high...

So yeah.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on November 22, 2015, 03:53:18 PM
What was up with the color on the ninja gaiden footage? Looked pretty wacky.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on November 22, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
What was up with the color on the ninja gaiden footage? Looked pretty wacky.

I take it you've only played NES through RF?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on November 22, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
What was up with the color on the ninja gaiden footage? Looked pretty wacky.

I take it you've only played NES through RF?
Yep, and from the looks of that footage, that's how I'll continue to play it lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on November 24, 2015, 12:57:28 AM
Yeah, I also surmise from the video (most noticeable in Legendary Wings) that you (Joe or Dave) probably are using one of the "bad batch" NESRGBs, with 1 pixel of fringing next to black graphics.  I think there is a fix for that, if you haven't looked into it already.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 24, 2015, 04:19:20 AM
I love the video capture quality of the NES.  Makes me wana modify my NES stuffs.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 25, 2015, 07:12:26 AM
He's also using s-video for that capture. Still have to find the time to put the RGB jack in there. And finding time is the hardest thing to do because I have to coordinate Dave and Bill, neither of them will do it on their own. Gotta do his Turbo Duo as well.

Also I'm not sure what you're talking about with "pixel fringing". All I see is the bendy part at the top of the screen and I attribute that to S-video. If it is indeed a bad batch and will show up in RGB as well when we put it in, what is the fix?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on November 25, 2015, 12:24:20 PM
Also I'm not sure what you're talking about with "pixel fringing". All I see is the bendy part at the top of the screen and I attribute that to S-video. If it is indeed a bad batch and will show up in RGB as well when we put it in, what is the fix?

I took these shots with my NESRGB over S-Video.  You can see that in your video, transitions from black to another colour cause 1 pixel of unpredictable results -- sometimes (as on the title screen) 1 pixel stays black when it shouldn't, or it goes white before transitioning to the colour that it should be.  It's obviously a digital issue, not a result of analogue encoding or anything.

(The fix is probably here: http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/background_fault/ )

(http://chrismcovell.com/images/wingsfault1a.jpg)(http://chrismcovell.com/images/wingsfault1b.jpg)
(http://chrismcovell.com/images/wingsfault2a.jpg)(http://chrismcovell.com/images/wingsfault2b.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 25, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Interesting. If it's as simple as soldering a capacitor in place I'll do it when we install the RGB jack. Might as well. In the mean time I wanna tell Dave to switch the palette.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 28, 2015, 06:36:42 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on December 01, 2015, 10:51:11 AM
Nitrous Oxide aka N2O is a pretty cool tube shooter on the PS1 that only came out in North America and Europe. The music consisting mostly of tracks straight from The Crystal Method's Vegas album is a big plus. I think it also runs at 60fps.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 05, 2015, 06:16:50 PM
The Future is Now SNK !
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: poponon on December 05, 2015, 08:23:04 PM
amazing episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 06, 2015, 05:05:26 AM
The most epic intro! Joe cracks me up. Im surprised the spoof at the end didn't include the neo geo X
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 06, 2015, 08:47:18 AM
We already did that in the Neo Geo X episode. The Neo Geo AES ate the X.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 06, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
Woo, Neo Geo.  I guess now that Gamesack is showing off this hidden gem of a console the price will finally go up.  For realz though, I've always wanted a Neo Geo; twice I almost bought a Neo Geo and twice it slipped through my grasp.

The first was a Neo Geo that they had in my small town, Babbages.  It was the first store I'd ever seen that was solely devoted to video games.  The prices were generally higher than anywhere else but they'd get stuff that other stores wouldn't have.  Behind the counter on a shelf it sat:  the Neo Geo AES.  When I was a kid I used to mow lawns for cash that I'd spend on video games, comic books, etc.  I decided I wanted that AES so I saved my money up for most of a Summer and had cash in hand to buy the sole Neo Geo they had at Babbages.  I then managed to convince myself that it was just too expensive and I ended up getting a stack of games and a bunch of magic cards instead.  I got some good stuff, sure, but I always kinda wished that I'd gotten that Neo Geo instead. 

The other time I almost bought one from a local guy back in 2001 but ended up talking him out of selling it.  Anyway, I met him at a coffee shop, asked him to tell me about it, and he did.  He had won it on a video game show called Power Team or Video Power or something.  After winning a trivia contest a contestant he then got to go on a toy run.  Any game he got and stuck to his velcro suit he'd get to keep.  There was one game that if he found it he'd get a Neo Geo.  He knew how the show worked and that the game was always a Tiger handheld game so he ran and grabbed every one of those non-fun junk handheld games he could and, sure enough, was rewarded with a Neo Geo and Magician Lord.  Well, after becoming a bit nostalgic, he decided that he couldn't sell the system after all.  I should have just handed him the $250 we agreed on, taken the system, and left. 

Not getting the first one was okay; it was like $800 with tax iirc.  Missing out on the second one, however?  I've been kicking myself over that one for a decade.  Periodically I've looked at ebay prices and I think the AES is well out of buy-able range for me now due to the ridiculous prices of the games that I'd like to own.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 06, 2015, 12:51:41 PM
Very pleased Joe worked the Hot Dog ad into the intro.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 06, 2015, 07:53:19 PM
Woo, Neo Geo.  I guess now that Gamesack is showing off this hidden gem of a console the price will finally go up.  For realz though, I've always wanted a Neo Geo; twice I almost bought a Neo Geo and twice it slipped through my grasp.

The first was a Neo Geo that they had in my small town, Babbages.  It was the first store I'd ever seen that was solely devoted to video games.  The prices were generally higher than anywhere else but they'd get stuff that other stores wouldn't have.  Behind the counter on a shelf it sat:  the Neo Geo AES.  When I was a kid I used to mow lawns for cash that I'd spend on video games, comic books, etc.  I decided I wanted that AES so I saved my money up for most of a Summer and had cash in hand to buy the sole Neo Geo they had at Babbages.  I then managed to convince myself that it was just too expensive and I ended up getting a stack of games and a bunch of magic cards instead.  I got some good stuff, sure, but I always kinda wished that I'd gotten that Neo Geo instead. 

The other time I almost bought one from a local guy back in 2001 but ended up talking him out of selling it.  Anyway, I met him at a coffee shop, asked him to tell me about it, and he did.  He had won it on a video game show called Power Team or Video Power or something.  After winning a trivia contest a contestant he then got to go on a toy run.  Any game he got and stuck to his velcro suit he'd get to keep.  There was one game that if he found it he'd get a Neo Geo.  He knew how the show worked and that the game was always a Tiger handheld game so he ran and grabbed every one of those non-fun junk handheld games he could and, sure enough, was rewarded with a Neo Geo and Magician Lord.  Well, after becoming a bit nostalgic, he decided that he couldn't sell the system after all.  I should have just handed him the $250 we agreed on, taken the system, and left. 

Not getting the first one was okay; it was like $800 with tax iirc.  Missing out on the second one, however?  I've been kicking myself over that one for a decade.  Periodically I've looked at ebay prices and I think the AES is well out of buy-able range for me now due to the ridiculous prices of the games that I'd like to own.
The way the market is now for a aes it's best just to forget it.The AES has become such a collectible that's it's for people with a disposable income.The best way to enjoy it now is either a consolized mvs,or a supergun setup with a multicart.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 07, 2015, 06:59:39 AM
Woo, Neo Geo.  I guess now that Gamesack is showing off this hidden gem of a console the price will finally go up.  For realz though, I've always wanted a Neo Geo; twice I almost bought a Neo Geo and twice it slipped through my grasp.

The first was a Neo Geo that they had in my small town, Babbages.  It was the first store I'd ever seen that was solely devoted to video games.  The prices were generally higher than anywhere else but they'd get stuff that other stores wouldn't have.  Behind the counter on a shelf it sat:  the Neo Geo AES.  When I was a kid I used to mow lawns for cash that I'd spend on video games, comic books, etc.  I decided I wanted that AES so I saved my money up for most of a Summer and had cash in hand to buy the sole Neo Geo they had at Babbages.  I then managed to convince myself that it was just too expensive and I ended up getting a stack of games and a bunch of magic cards instead.  I got some good stuff, sure, but I always kinda wished that I'd gotten that Neo Geo instead. 

The other time I almost bought one from a local guy back in 2001 but ended up talking him out of selling it.  Anyway, I met him at a coffee shop, asked him to tell me about it, and he did.  He had won it on a video game show called Power Team or Video Power or something.  After winning a trivia contest a contestant he then got to go on a toy run.  Any game he got and stuck to his velcro suit he'd get to keep.  There was one game that if he found it he'd get a Neo Geo.  He knew how the show worked and that the game was always a Tiger handheld game so he ran and grabbed every one of those non-fun junk handheld games he could and, sure enough, was rewarded with a Neo Geo and Magician Lord.  Well, after becoming a bit nostalgic, he decided that he couldn't sell the system after all.  I should have just handed him the $250 we agreed on, taken the system, and left. 

Not getting the first one was okay; it was like $800 with tax iirc.  Missing out on the second one, however?  I've been kicking myself over that one for a decade.  Periodically I've looked at ebay prices and I think the AES is well out of buy-able range for me now due to the ridiculous prices of the games that I'd like to own.



   That kid is a LEGEND, at least on www.neo-geo.com (http://www.neo-geo.com/).  He came posted about winning the system and the first game his dad bought him afterwards which I believe was ninja masters which he beat the first day and returned for another game.


Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezbeHt_7N8g  Winning that system at that time would win any childhood experience.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on December 07, 2015, 12:15:44 PM
Just what I needed, something else to make me want a Neo-Geo I'll never be able to afford.


Edit: oh yeah great video. Loved every minute of it. Too bad I only  inherited a gamboy with tetris from my grandma.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 08, 2015, 12:37:39 AM
Mega lower video guys.

Yeah I have a AES and two games. I then quickly ditched the idea of collecting for it and went MVS.


I have been able to pick up more then two MVS games so solid investment.

Still have a lot on my want list.


I honestly only hold onto the AES on this hope that a ever drive will be made for it. I know it won't.  But I can dream can't I?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 08, 2015, 03:00:24 AM
Woo, Neo Geo.  I guess now that Gamesack is showing off this hidden gem of a console the price will finally go up. 



Finally?



Mega lower video guys.

Yeah I have a AES and two games. I then quickly ditched the idea of collecting for it and went MVS.


I have been able to pick up more then two MVS games so solid investment.

Still have a lot on my want list.


I honestly only hold onto the AES on this hope that a ever drive will be made for it. I know it won't.  But I can dream can't I?



Get an MVS to AES converter like this one here...   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Neo-Geo-MVS-to-AES-Magic-Key-Convertor-V2-released-Dec-2015-2016-next-year-/331723501086?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

161-in-1 NeoGeo Multigame Cartridge.  It's somewhat of an investment but that converter has UNIBIOS built in and plays pretty much every game.  This will get you 90% of what you need in one shot.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on December 08, 2015, 03:47:27 AM
That's like paying more than the price of a PS4 for a big bulky attachment that sits on top of a Playstation 1, so that it no longer looks like a Playstation playing a CD game, just to play PS4 games "on" your Playstation 1.

Except that the Playstation 1 you choose also costs as much as a PS4.

Why not just buy and play a PS4?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 08, 2015, 04:27:59 AM
That's like paying more than the price of a PS4 for a big bulky attachment that sits on top of a Playstation 1, so that it no longer looks like a Playstation playing a CD game, just to play PS4 games "on" your Playstation 1.

Except that the Playstation 1 you choose also costs as much as a PS4.

Why not just buy and play a PS4?



I see your point financially however these aren't PS1 games, that are Neo Geo games and they occupy a very classic and specific Niche all of it's own and nothing at all is like it  During it's reign it had other consoles that constantly tired to emulate it's games and it wasn't until the Sega Dreamcast where near perfect ports could be made.  These are arcade games and were rare and collectible and very fun two player action. If you want a ton of Neo Geo games played on Neo Geo Hardware the route I just posted is the cheapest possible way Via AES.  A consolized 1-Slot may be better,  A Neo Geo CD and a CD Burner could be cheaper still with obvious trade-offs, or just download tehzz Romzz11!11 and play on your lap top. Most of us enjoy the sense of occasion with real hardware and having a Neo Geo in teh flesh is very cool IMHO.


Found a like on the Neo Store for a much cheaper not eBay overpriced converter here.....

http://www.neostore.com/MVS-MagicKey-MVS-to-AES-Neo-Geo-converter-p/1381.htm


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on December 08, 2015, 05:15:56 AM
These are arcade games and were rare and collectible and very fun two player action.

Ha! Joke's on you! I don't have anyone to play two-player games with.

Also, that video is awesome, but I am so glad to be out of the 90's. Way too much 'tude.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 08, 2015, 05:26:57 AM
That last episode convinced my girlfriend never to buy a Neo Geo. The only game that got her attention was Metal Slug.

And I'm not even mad at her, since she asked when we'll be playing Salamander on the Turbo Duo again.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on December 08, 2015, 05:44:05 AM
I see your point.... [foolish bullshit about the awesomeness of teh mighty neogeo]

You obviously don't.  His point was that you're advocating paying as much as the cost of a cmvs to gain the functionality of a cmvs on an equally costly aes when any intelligent person would just buy a cmvs.

PS - Please make you sig even bigger and more ghey..... never mind, you already have.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 08, 2015, 11:11:48 AM

You obviously don't.  I just can't get off your dick for even a second and just need to argue with you.  You post left I have to argue right no matter the circumstances.

Yeah I get that, I mean that's your thing and please have at it I guess.   Just don't expect me or other posters to take you seriously.  I believe it's called being "contrarian" and many children do it get attention.   If you bothered to read my or any other posts in this thread before tossing in yet another hissy you would see that the person I was replying to posted this :

Mega lower video guys.

Yeah I have a AES and two games. I then quickly ditched the idea of collecting for it and went MVS.


I have been able to pick up more then two MVS games so solid investment.

Still have a lot on my want list.


I honestly only hold onto the AES on this hope that a ever drive will be made for it. I know it won't.  But I can dream can't I?

So he already has the hardware and I simply posted links to devices to make it a consolized MVS or waiting for the hopes of an Everdrive.  He could also still pick up AES games like I do and still play them so all options are on the table.  There is no AES to MVS converter.  What I posted could only have aggravated you.  The only thing you have done is redefine the word "Cunt".  Congratulations
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on December 08, 2015, 07:04:55 PM
So now that Joe and Dave have massage my loins and got me in the mood for some Neo-Geo this comes along.

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20233.0
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on December 09, 2015, 02:51:12 AM
You obviously don't.  I just can't get off your dick for even a second and just need to argue with you.  You post left I have to argue right no matter the circumstances.

Yeah I get that, I mean that's your thing and please have at it I guess.   Just don't expect me or other posters to take you seriously.  I believe it's called being "contrarian" and many children do it get attention.   

Give up the persecution shtick.  A tangent about the awesomeness of neogeo games was a tangent no matter who posted it, and a giant annoying sig is a giant annoying sig regardless of who uses it.

I still don't get how it's a smart move to buy a converter for more monies than a CMVS, but whatever.  I guess it's good to have options.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 09, 2015, 03:41:29 AM
  I guess it's good to have options.


Perfect post.  100% correct.  Thank you
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on December 09, 2015, 09:56:30 PM
Loved the double sized Neo Geo vid.

I have a suggestion topic for the future.

Same Name, Better Game

Feature games where the ports are generally considered better than the original.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 10, 2015, 01:38:12 AM
  I guess it's good to have options.


Perfect post.  100% correct.  Thank you

I'll just say this since in all honestly you where trying to be both informative and helpful providing an alternative solution to my AES   


Thanks you for the suggestions to use a multi cart and converter.


These are thing I was aware of previously and have been Tempted to get. A multi cart. But the converter. Gee the only benefit for me would be to use my memory card to save high scores and what not unless the unibios in my CMVS does that. (Honestly haven't used my CMVS since moving to my house as my game room is in disarray.

With that said thank you for being helpful and positive in your original post.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on December 10, 2015, 04:01:42 PM
Some MVS boards support memory cards.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on December 10, 2015, 05:38:53 PM
Some MVS boards support memory cards.

Just to be clear, do the memory cards save gameplay progress or are they simply hi-score keepers?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 11, 2015, 07:59:11 AM
Some MVS boards support memory cards.

Just to be clear, do the memory cards save gameplay progress or are they simply hi-score keepers?

They can save gameplay progress.  You can get a season going on Football Frenzy or 2020 Super Baseball, for example.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 12, 2015, 06:04:24 AM
  I guess it's good to have options.


Perfect post.  100% correct.  Thank you

I'll just say this since in all honestly you where trying to be both informative and helpful providing an alternative solution to my AES   


Thanks you for the suggestions to use a multi cart and converter.


These are thing I was aware of previously and have been Tempted to get. A multi cart. But the converter. Gee the only benefit for me would be to use my memory card to save high scores and what not unless the unibios in my CMVS does that. (Honestly haven't used my CMVS since moving to my house as my game room is in disarray.

With that said thank you for being helpful and positive in your original post.


The new Converters have UNIBIOS already installed and Cheat devices as well.  So you would literally have every possible Neo Cart option available and portable and AES.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on December 12, 2015, 08:12:01 AM
The new Converters have UNIBIOS already installed and Cheat devices as well.  So you would literally have every possible Neo Cart option available and portable and AES.

The AES doesn't have any exclusives. You can buy a cmvs that is 1/3 the size and 1/3 the price and is much more portable and still play as many games.

If someone wants an AES to play AES games, they should. If price is of any concern and simply enjoying the games and having access to everything is what they really want, then they should either stick to a cmvs or buy a cmvs and a broken AES and stare at the AES while playing cmvs games to have the full AES experience for half the hardware price.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 12, 2015, 06:11:56 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on December 12, 2015, 07:04:29 PM
The Future is Now SNK !
http://youtu.be/xbkw1T3SftE

The most epic intro! Joe cracks me up. Im surprised the spoof at the end didn't include the neo geo X

HOLY MOLY, he used a variant of his Monster Truck announcer voice in that one!! Hahaha!! I thought that style was only reserved for the wacky Retropalooza promos.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 13, 2015, 04:21:26 AM
The new Converters have UNIBIOS already installed and Cheat devices as well.  So you would literally have every possible Neo Cart option available and portable and AES.

The AES doesn't have any exclusives. You can buy a cmvs that is 1/3 the size and 1/3 the price and is much more portable and still play as many games.

If someone wants an AES to play AES games, they should. If price is of any concern and simply enjoying the games and having access to everything is what they really want, then they should either stick to a cmvs or buy a cmvs and a broken AES and stare at the AES while playing cmvs games to have the full AES experience for half the hardware price.


He already has an AES, just pointing him in the right direction. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 13, 2015, 04:22:01 AM
http://youtu.be/G0hPse_k9VI



Just watched.  Pretty sure that Shovel Knight doesn't exist on the XBOX ONE.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 13, 2015, 06:10:55 AM
It was planned, but recently canceled. I guess MS are a$$holes or something, I'm not exactly sure what the deal was.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 13, 2015, 06:13:36 AM
http://youtu.be/G0hPse_k9VI



Just watched.  Pretty sure that Shovel Knight doesn't exist on the XBOX ONE.


It does, both digital and disk release.  It's even got an exclusive Xbone section with the Battletoads.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on December 13, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
http://youtu.be/G0hPse_k9VI



Just watched.  Pretty sure that Shovel Knight doesn't exist on the XBOX ONE.


It does, both digital and disk release.  It's even got an exclusive Xbone section with the Battletoads.

Amazon has the Xbone version listed as unavailable. I do know that Microsoft has some weird policies for indie games and as a result more of them release on PS4. This may have something to do with it. I just purchased the game from GOG.com for PC on sale. It is really fun I see what all the fuss is about.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 13, 2015, 08:35:20 AM
Good episode! It's nice to see that at least some former download-only games eventually got a physical release. I will give a Brothers: A tale of two sons a try! The scene with the dead giants impressed me a lot.

When I bought my PS3, I got the Journey collection just for Flower initially, but now I'll try the main game Journey as well.

Too bad Shovel Knight was never released on the Xbox 360 in any format.

I agree with you about Duck Tales remastered's cutscenes. I wish there was a simple way to skip them or play the entire levels without them. No wonder I have a thing for the few modern games that do not need any introductions, tutorials, spoken or even written narration. Flower and Limbo are fine examples where the game lets the player figure out what to do. Even though they're somehow guiding the player at first, they do not do it blatantly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 13, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
http://youtu.be/G0hPse_k9VI



Just watched.  Pretty sure that Shovel Knight doesn't exist on the XBOX ONE.


It does, both digital and disk release.  It's even got an exclusive Xbone section with the Battletoads.


If you can show me a retail copy of Shovel Knight's physical disc for Xbox One I will give you my entire game collection! It doesn't exist. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on December 13, 2015, 10:59:06 AM
I didn't expect to enjoy this episode as much as I did.  I agree with Joe; I'm peeved that "8-bit" is the only thing developers seem to consider "retro" nowadays.  I would love to see a game styled after 90s arcade games with FM music, lots of crunchy sound samples, and 16-bit (possibly even digitized/rotoscoped, like Donkey Kong Country or Sapphire) graphics.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 13, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
http://youtu.be/G0hPse_k9VI



Just watched.  Pretty sure that Shovel Knight doesn't exist on the XBOX ONE.


It does, both digital and disk release.  It's even got an exclusive Xbone section with the Battletoads.


If you can show me a retail copy of Shovel Knight's physical disc for Xbox One I will give you my entire game collection! It doesn't exist. :)


WOW!!!  I would love to see this. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 13, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
WOW!!!  I would love to see this. 

We will never see a physical copy unless MS changes their policy regarding minimum quantity of discs that must be produced for a given title.

I won't be giving up any collection because they have never produced a physical copy to date
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 13, 2015, 12:49:16 PM
Whaoh, looks like I'm a misinformation spreading liar!  When I read that it wasn't on Xbox 1 I recalled a friend showing me the Battletoads fight.  Then I looked at Amazon and saw the game but didn't notice its unavailability.  Google tells me that it got cancelled back in October.

My bad!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 14, 2015, 02:49:54 AM
Whaoh, looks like I'm a misinformation spreading liar!  When I read that it wasn't on Xbox 1 I recalled a friend showing me the Battletoads fight.  Then I looked at Amazon and saw the game but didn't notice its unavailability.  Google tells me that it got cancelled back in October.

My bad!

Nothing to apologize about, we all make mistakes! :) I hope this does get released for Xbox One in physical form eventually, I was disappointed when I heard it was cancelled and I have no desire to own it as digital only
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 14, 2015, 06:44:42 PM

We will never see a physical copy unless MS changes their policy regarding minimum quantity of discs that must be produced for a given title.


Is that a real policy? Not only is that dumb, but there could be a super-easy way around it. Just fill it with easy-to-produce nonsense, like a video of some dude playing the game for two hours and not even getting past stage one. Or it's just a video of the dude and it never shows the game, you only hear it. Or just duplicate the game on the disc 300 times and only load one of them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on December 15, 2015, 12:33:06 AM

We will never see a physical copy unless MS changes their policy regarding minimum quantity of discs that must be produced for a given title.


Is that a real policy? Not only is that dumb, but there could be a super-easy way around it. Just fill it with easy-to-produce nonsense, like a video of some dude playing the game for two hours and not even getting past stage one. Or it's just a video of the dude and it never shows the game, you only hear it. Or just duplicate the game on the disc 300 times and only load one of them.

No I think he meant number of physical copies to be made for sale. Not amount of content on the disk data wise.


At lest I think that's how you interpreted the policy MS has regarding physical release of games.


Unless I am wrong.

But that is impossible.


Or should I say. Inconceivable
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 15, 2015, 03:04:55 AM

We will never see a physical copy unless MS changes their policy regarding minimum quantity of discs that must be produced for a given title.


Is that a real policy? Not only is that dumb, but there could be a super-easy way around it. Just fill it with easy-to-produce nonsense, like a video of some dude playing the game for two hours and not even getting past stage one. Or it's just a video of the dude and it never shows the game, you only hear it. Or just duplicate the game on the disc 300 times and only load one of them.

No I think he meant number of physical copies to be made for sale. Not amount of content on the disk data wise.

Medic is right, I heard that Microsoft wanted a certain number of physical copies to be produced in order for  it to be manufactured. I could be wrong but I remember reading that somewhere after the cancellation news back in October
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 15, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
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No I think he meant number of physical copies to be made for sale. Not amount of content on the disk data wise.

Derp. I must have misread that. I wonder what their minimum quantity is. It's not like it's hard to go out and press a couple thousand Blu-rays. Sadly MS probably demands that THEY handle the pressing.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on December 16, 2015, 04:16:02 AM
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No I think he meant number of physical copies to be made for sale. Not amount of content on the disk data wise.

Derp. I must have misread that. I wonder what their minimum quantity is. It's not like it's hard to go out and press a couple thousand Blu-rays. Sadly MS probably demands that THEY handle the pressing.

Yeah, the minimum pressing quantity from MS is basically the reason why the Far East of Eden game for the 360 was never finished/released.  Vic talks about it a bit on the Gaijinworks forum, I guess it was just horrible for smaller pubs.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on December 16, 2015, 04:44:56 AM
If that's true, why would a publisher bother releasing something like Raiden IV for 360?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 16, 2015, 08:12:51 AM
If that's true, why would a publisher bother releasing something like Raiden IV for 360?

It must have had enough demand. Hell, Raiden V is getting a physical release on Xbox One

Its possible the minimum print runs that MS demands could only apply to ID@Xbox (indie) titles.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 16, 2015, 11:42:55 AM
f*ck MicroSoft!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 16, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
f*ck MicroSoft!

Sorry Joe, I will abbreviate it to M in the future :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 16, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
For Xbox 360 there was a required minimum of 50k pressed copies.  I don't know what it is for Xbone but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 17, 2015, 07:31:33 PM
Geez. Really it should be 5k. They are a$$holes. Aaron who runs this site works for them. Let's blame him!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 18, 2015, 04:03:38 AM
I'm pretty sure I read for the Xbox One it was 10,000. That may or may not be true.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 18, 2015, 07:10:38 AM
Hey Chris Covell. Dave's NES RGB has version 1.7 and that was the fix for the issue you described several pages back. Dunno what that issue could be.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 18, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Will some episodes of Game Sack be available on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD? I have a few last-minute gifts to get for New Year's Eve.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on December 18, 2015, 09:31:22 AM
Estebanjo lives!  (http://pcengine.freeforums.org/images/smilies/bazzy.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 18, 2015, 09:32:05 AM
Esteban, yes, but probably not in time for New Years.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 18, 2015, 01:59:18 PM
Will some episodes of Game Sack be available on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD? I have a few last-minute gifts to get for New Year's Eve.
They are lining up their book and RV tour first. [emoji13]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 19, 2015, 03:24:28 AM


Do. Want.


Will the Blu-ray be available somewhere else than Amazon.com as well? E.g. regional divisions of Amazon like Amazon.de, or other stores. This would make ordering without credit cards (yes, most of us German cavemen don't own credit cards due to fees, but have EC debit cards) possible, or even via Paypal.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 19, 2015, 06:44:40 PM
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 20, 2015, 12:05:50 AM
Estebanjo lives!  (http://pcengine.freeforums.org/images/smilies/bazzy.gif)


:)

Isn't it funny that a Game Sack thread was the first of 23,789 posts that I need to catch up on from the last three months!?





Esteban, yes, but probably not in time for New Years.


Call me a masochist, but I am curious about the commentary tracks.

I finally bought a Blu-Ray player (in the last year), but I've hardly used it. At least Game Sack will justify its purchase :)

Plus, I have to catch up on the last year's worth of Game Sack episodes.



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 26, 2015, 07:20:06 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 27, 2015, 12:16:34 AM
Great episode as always. It's interesting to see I'm not the only one who finds SFIV's graphical style slightly awkward. I got the Ranma fighting game around one year ago for my girlfriend. She knows the anime and manga and says the characters are presented pretty faithful to the original series. It's a good thing that the controls are inspired by street fighter, which makes it very accessible.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on December 27, 2015, 05:21:43 AM
Funny thing about the MC game for PCE, is that it sports some high color counts.. breaks the 100 color count mark.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 27, 2015, 05:53:35 AM
Woo, fighting games!  My favorite genre! 

There was a guy who worked for Capcom of America named Seth Killian a few years ago.  At the time, Capcom of Japan considered Street Fighter entirely dead.  Capcom Fighting Evolution had sold abysmally and Capcom figured that people just weren't interested in fighting games anymore.  Seth convinced Capcom that, if an Xbox Live Arcade version of SF2 Hyperfighting sold well, to consider making a new Street Fighter.  Well, Capcom released it back in 06 and it became the #1 selling XBLA title that far. 

Anyway, Capcom named the final boss character in SF4 after Seth Killian for his work in convincing everyone that people were still interested in fighting games.  Supposedly, Seth Killian was surprised and upset that they named a character after him without bothering to ask. Cest la vie.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on December 27, 2015, 02:51:24 PM
So... I got my copy of Game Sack Volume One today... Even though its Sunday. lol

Look forward to watching these episodes again, also all of dat bonus content.

Thanks guys and by that I mean Joe, for doing the majority of the work, yay!

*excitement*

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 27, 2015, 03:17:44 PM
These fighting game episodes make perfect opportunities for Joe v Dave action, but it never happens.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 27, 2015, 06:25:48 PM
So... I got my copy of Game Sack Volume One today... Even though its Sunday. lol


That's weird! Hope you enjoy!

Quote from: Gentlegamer

These fighting game episodes make perfect opportunities for Joe v Dave action, but it never happens.


What kind of skit would you have in mind? We're always open to ideas.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on December 27, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
So... I got my copy of Game Sack Volume One today... Even though its Sunday. lol


That's weird! Hope you enjoy!

Hmm yes, I shall. <3
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on December 28, 2015, 05:03:48 AM


What kind of skit would you have in mind? We're always open to ideas.

Rather than a skit, why not a round of you two playing each other for each part of the game so that people can get more of an idea of the flow of the games?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 29, 2015, 05:30:59 AM
So... I got my copy of Game Sack Volume One today... Even though its Sunday. lol


That's weird! Hope you enjoy!


Yeah mine showed up on Sunday too. I went to track it Sunday to make sure I would be getting it on Monday and it said it had delivered (was sitting on my front porch!). Enjoyed all the extra content, still going through all the alternate commentaries. The only suggestion I would have is on the alternative commentary, it would be nice if you added subtitles for the actual episode while you and Dave narrate over it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on December 29, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
So... I got my copy of Game Sack Volume One today... Even though its Sunday. lol


That's weird! Hope you enjoy!


Yeah mine showed up on Sunday too. I went to track it Sunday to make sure I would be getting it on Monday and it said it had delivered (was sitting on my front porch!). Enjoyed all the extra content, still going through all the alternate commentaries. The only suggestion I would have is on the alternative commentary, it would be nice if you added subtitles for the actual episode while you and Dave narrate over it.

SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! Yeah, my mail lady rang the bell and by the time I got to the door she was already taking off in the little mail truck. I look down and to my surprise, a little package I found. Yay. Fun times. Apparently playing catch up was a thing because holidays.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 30, 2015, 09:06:48 AM
I will have to figure out how subtitles work for that to happen. Not sure if it's possible but I'll look in to it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 30, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
I will have to figure out how subtitles work for that to happen. Not sure if it's possible but I'll look in to it.

Great! So when should we expect volume 2.. sometime in 2016?!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on December 31, 2015, 01:55:24 AM
Hey Joe, I wonder if it is possible to order an autographed Blu-ray (by you and Dave) directly from you?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on December 31, 2015, 04:00:54 AM


What kind of skit would you have in mind? We're always open to ideas.

Rather than a skit, why not a round of you two playing each other for each part of the game so that people can get more of an idea of the flow of the games?

This. Live commentary. You show fighting games... playing against the CPU. The heart of those games is fighting another player, the trash talk, the cheese tactics, the jostling for position at the cab.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 31, 2015, 06:19:34 AM
No more fighting game episodes puh-leeeeze!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on December 31, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
No more fighting game episodes puh-leeeeze!

Agreed!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2015, 09:12:13 AM
Hey Joe, I wonder if it is possible to order an autographed Blu-ray (by you and Dave) directly from you?
Unfortunately no. Amazon is handling all of the shipping and they are shipped directly to Amazon from the plant.

No more fighting game episodes puh-leeeeze!

Agreed!

Too bad because it's gonna happen! Many more times in fact.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on December 31, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
Hey Joe, I wonder if it is possible to order an autographed Blu-ray (by you and Dave) directly from you?
Unfortunately no. Amazon is handling all of the shipping and they are shipped directly to Amazon from the plant.

No more fighting game episodes puh-leeeeze!

Agreed!

Too bad because it's gonna happen! Many more times in fact.
Lol Its yalls show, so do what you want. I like 98.874598% of the episodes, but I don't have to like the fighting games!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 01, 2016, 06:35:19 AM
Nobody can like everything.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 01, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
Nobody can like everything.

Not even Mickey?

I thought he likes everything.  :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 01, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
Mikey?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TheOldMan on January 01, 2016, 01:07:15 PM
Quote
Not even Mickey?

I thought he likes everything.  :lol:

Actually, the quote is "Let's give it to Mikey....He won't like it. He hates everything"

(It's from a Life cereal commercial)
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 02, 2016, 04:07:40 AM
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Not even Mickey?

I thought he likes everything.  :lol:

Actually, the quote is "Let's give it to Mikey....He won't like it. He hates everything"

(It's from a Life cereal commercial)

Then, followed up with...

"Mikey f@ckin' likes the sh!t out of it!"

Classic commercial. Cutting edge, risqué. Banned in North America.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 02, 2016, 06:14:04 AM
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Not even Mickey?

I thought he likes everything.  :lol:

Actually, the quote is "Let's give it to Mikey....He won't like it. He hates everything"

(It's from a Life cereal commercial)


Lol that's right. I so goofed on that reference


I guess I just remembered the end where they exclaimed "Micky likes it" lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 02, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
I'd post a whole new thread just for this link to a YouTube video.


I know how much some of your guys love it when I do that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 02, 2016, 07:17:43 AM
Micky = MICK-EEE
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 02, 2016, 06:51:08 PM
http://youtu.be/gnqIEG0HI8o


That's purty cool he learned how develop and press a BluRay. I'd kinda want to see the old videos he made for kicks, Joe can pull some lulz out every now and then

Game Blu Sack.

* Hm, don't think I recognize the source of the arrangement of the Ys track he concludes this promo with. Definitely an Ys track though.

* Funny, team "retro" chimed in to Joe's channel with the "F--k BluRay" sentiment and instead want a Laser Disc version, VHS, or a build as a Sega CD with its native format. Heh-heh. Some are joking of course, some are not.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 02, 2016, 07:47:00 PM
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 03, 2016, 02:18:52 AM
* Funny, team "retro" chimed in to Joe's channel with the "F--k BluRay" sentiment and instead want a Laser Disc version, VHS, or a build as a Sega CD with its native format. Heh-heh. Some are joking of course, some are not.

Joe said he is working on a HD-DVD version.

Actually, he didn't. I don't even have a player.

I can make an HD-DVD edition myself, and sell it for lots of money, though, Tobias-style. I think I'll make some Game Sack gold coins as a bonus item. The HD-DVD discs may or may not work. But I don't think anyone will notice. They will be distracted by the coins.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 03, 2016, 03:48:48 AM
VHS would ensure that nobody ever plays the tape for the fear of quality loss.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 04, 2016, 08:20:02 AM

* Hm, don't think I recognize the source of the arrangement of the Ys track he concludes this promo with. Definitely an Ys track though.


Well, at least you're on the right system. Think "Arcade Card" and what is the first game that pops in your mind?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on January 04, 2016, 08:29:43 AM

* Hm, don't think I recognize the source of the arrangement of the Ys track he concludes this promo with. Definitely an Ys track though.


Well, at least you're on the right system. Think "Arcade Card" and what is the first game that pops in your mind?

Art of Fighting?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on January 04, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
* Funny, team "retro" chimed in to Joe's channel with the "F--k BluRay" sentiment and instead want a Laser Disc version, VHS, or a build as a Sega CD with its native format. Heh-heh. Some are joking of course, some are not.

Joe said he is working on a HD-DVD version.

Actually, he didn't. I don't even have a player.

I can make an HD-DVD edition myself, and sell it for lots of money, though, Tobias-style. I think I'll make some Game Sack gold coins as a bonus item. The HD-DVD discs may or may not work. But I don't think anyone will notice. They will be distracted by the coins.

You joke, but I would buy an HD DVD version.  I have yet to purchase a means to play Bluray.  I have never felt the need as there aren't too many newer movies that I feel are good enough to purchase.  Even when there is a good movie, I deal with the ultra grainy and totally unacceptable visuals of DVD.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 05, 2016, 01:31:30 AM
* Hm, don't think I recognize the source of the arrangement of the Ys track he concludes this promo with. Definitely an Ys track though.
Well, at least you're on the right system. Think "Arcade Card" and what is the first game that pops in your mind?

First thing I associate with the AC is Sapphire. Huh, I could swear the last few seconds when the music is turned up it sounded like something from Ys IV. I'm not sure now, I listened to Sapphire's soundtrack and can't quite confirm.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on January 05, 2016, 04:09:48 AM
You joke, but I would buy an HD DVD version.  I have yet to purchase a means to play Bluray.  I have never felt the need as there aren't too many newer movies that I feel are good enough to purchase.  Even when there is a good movie, I deal with the ultra grainy and totally unacceptable visuals of DVD.

I'm in the same boat.

I think I have more Laserdiscs than I do DVD. No Blu-Ray yet (or in the foreseeable future) but I do have an HD-DVD player and a couple dozen films for it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 05, 2016, 07:30:07 AM
I got a PS3 last year that is used more as a Blu-ray player than to play games. I watched some BD films that I saw on DVD before (e.g. Scott Pilgrim, Jurassic Park) or in the movie theater (Jurassic World, Scott Pilgrim), and I've got to admit, all the fine details are so much better visible than on DVD. Although, the Jurassic Park BD (at least the non-3D version I own) has some noticeable film grain. I don't know if this is always the case with movies shot before the digital video era dawned, or if this depends on source material and the post production for the BD transfer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on January 05, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
You joke, but I would buy an HD DVD version.  I have yet to purchase a means to play Bluray.  I have never felt the need as there aren't too many newer movies that I feel are good enough to purchase.  Even when there is a good movie, I deal with the ultra grainy and totally unacceptable visuals of DVD.

I'm in the same boat.

I think I have more Laserdiscs than I do DVD. No Blu-Ray yet (or in the foreseeable future) but I do have an HD-DVD player and a couple dozen films for it.

Yeah, the only reason I have HD DVD is because cheap.  I grabbed an HD DVD player for XBOX 360 CIB for like $20 a couple of years ago and have been buying up HD DVD ' S locally for 50 cents to $2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: roflmao on January 05, 2016, 11:06:56 AM
Yeah, the only reason I have HD DVD is because cheap.  I grabbed an HD DVD player for XBOX 360 CIB for like $20 a couple of years ago and have been buying up HD DVD ' S locally for 50 cents to $2.

Me too!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 06, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
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Although, the Jurassic Park BD (at least the non-3D version I own) has some noticeable film grain.

Film grain is inevitable when a movie is shot on film. I'd rather have film grain than a method which smears out the grain (like the early Predator Blu-ray release). People seem to think film grain is a bad thing... likely because they don't understand it. Blu-ray is about resolution, not lack of grain. Though way too many movies do try to de-noise the grain and that makes the movie look much less detailed as a result. Some movies are just grainy whereas others are not. It's all about film stock. Ghostbusters, for example, is SUPER grainy. Especially if you were to watch the 70mm film version of it. Don't fear film grain. Instead, fear compression artifacts. Fear the digital sharpening that many movies add to the visuals which add "halos" around higher contrast areas to make it appear sharper (but again, losing detail in the process). The f*cking home audience seems to demand this bullshit and it ruins it for everybody but they don't know that they are ruing it because they don't know any better.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 06, 2016, 10:41:03 PM
Thanks Joe for your detailed reply!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on January 07, 2016, 04:51:22 AM
People seem to think film grain is a bad thing

 I love the look of film grain. So much so, that in VLC player I enable it (yeah it's fake, but at 1080p res it's decent. I dial it back so it's just slightly there).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 07, 2016, 10:41:55 AM

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Although, the Jurassic Park BD (at least the non-3D version I own) has some noticeable film grain.

Film grain is inevitable when a movie is shot on film. I'd rather have film grain than a method which smears out the grain (like the early Predator Blu-ray release). People seem to think film grain is a bad thing... likely because they don't understand it. Blu-ray is about resolution, not lack of grain. Though way too many movies do try to de-noise the grain and that makes the movie look much less detailed as a result. Some movies are just grainy whereas others are not. It's all about film stock. Ghostbusters, for example, is SUPER grainy. Especially if you were to watch the 70mm film version of it. Don't fear film grain. Instead, fear compression artifacts. Fear the digital sharpening that many movies add to the visuals which add "halos" around higher contrast areas to make it appear sharper (but again, losing detail in the process). The f*cking home audience seems to demand this bullshit and it ruins it for everybody but they don't know that they are ruing it because they don't know any better.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who enjoys grain alcohol whilst watching films.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: gheebee on January 07, 2016, 10:54:33 AM
Just thought I'd say congratulations on both the BD release and for not making the same mistakes that some indie and/or online content producers have made when going to home video, namely using crappy, “MOD” media (BD-R, DVD-R, usually while referring to their product as a “BD” or a “DVD”...) and/or releasing only on DVD (or DVD-R...) when most of people who might buy it have already seen it in HD. Well done!
I very rarely watch extras but I watched the entire disc in one sitting shortly after it arrived the other day too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ActionJackson on January 07, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
Im definitely a fan, have seen every episode a few times by now.  Found this forum whilst looking for a duo and had no idea Joe was affiliated with it.  The only reason I was looking for a duo in the first place was because of Game Sack and realizing how many awesome games I missed out on.  Really cool surprise to see his name on the mod list.  Looking forward to picking up the bluray soon.   And if Dave is here that's super cool too, but hes probably busy with his Nintendo forum.  Keep up the good work! 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 09, 2016, 12:10:46 AM
Joe I just want to let you know that I had somebody ordered the Blu-ray last night. Guess what I'll be getting for birthday.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 09, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
Whatca gonna do brother !!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on January 10, 2016, 12:41:48 AM
SUPER HUGE SLIM JIM!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on January 10, 2016, 02:14:05 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. Wrestling games have never interested me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 10, 2016, 04:02:07 AM
I watched wrestling shows regularly in the WWF Attitude era.

I know from back in the day that I was horribly bad in WCW/NWO Revenge's multiplayer mode against friends, since I had no idea how to pull off special moves. Apparently, they needed to have me as their punching ball, since they didn't tell me how to play the game. Now if you've got friends like these, you don't need foes, I guess.
But then, they were always complaining when I cleared all of them off the screen in Mario Kart 64's battle mode. I guess, that makes it even.



The first time I was more seriously into wrestling games was when a friend introduced me into the Smackdown Vs RAW games on PlayStation 2. At that time, I began to restart interest in watching the shows again. The games were fun, but the default control scheme put me off.

Later on, I got Smackdown Vs RAW 2010 for the Xbox 360, and now that is what I'd call my favourite wrestling game so far. The controls are spot on and easy to learn: Moving is done with the left analog stick (why oh why did it took so long for the develops to make this default instead of using the D-pad?), grappling with the right stick doesn't get old, the button configuration is well thought, and countering is as good as you're able to react.
What I've a lot of fun with aside from playing wrestling matches is the Create-A-Wrestler editor mode. I re-created the Mario Bros. from the Super Mario Bros. Super Show (Lou Albano was a wrestler anyway), Duke Nukem, Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, The Ram from The Wrestler movie, Simon Belmont, the Angry Videogame Nerd, Solid Snake, and some more. Including custom stage introductions with the music for each character.

If you're interested in seeing them, I think I could hook up my console to a cheap videograbber and record some footage.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on January 10, 2016, 05:01:20 AM
Great episode of course I just wished you covered 3 COUNT BOUT for the Neo geo AES.  That game is cheap for the AES anyway so why not right?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on January 10, 2016, 02:39:15 PM
Wrestling games, another genre that demands 2 player head to head action.

Joe even says for one of the games it would be more fun learning the moves against a friend.

Most of these games were suggested by the audience, they already know the bullet points about them, try offering something more interesting than a mere 'book report.'

Here's an example from your favorite youtube guys, Pat and Ian:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 10, 2016, 03:01:42 PM
Gentlegamer I'm not sure why you're always so pissy towards me on any given forum, but it's definitely something consistent that I've noticed. Do you have something you wanna say? Just get it out right here and now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on January 10, 2016, 03:31:19 PM
I have to admit that I was a little disappointed when I saw the title of this weeks video since wrestling games have never interested me.  However, as usual, Game Sack found a way to make it interesting.  I still enjoyed the video even though I probably wont' be trying any of the games they presented.  Great video.  Looking forward to next week.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 10, 2016, 04:38:33 PM

Gentlegamer I'm not sure why you're always so pissy towards me on any given forum, but it's definitely something consistent that I've noticed. Do you have something you wanna say? Just get it out right here and now.

Let me be the first to say: whatever happens, please hug afterwards. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on January 10, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Already left a comment on the video, but I'll reiterate here.  I don't even like wresting and I thought this was a cool episode.  They covered a Fire Pro game, Saturday Night Slam Masters, Pro Wrestling on the NES, and some licensed games.  There are of course other games that they could cover in a follow-up, like 3 Count Bout or arcade games like WWF Superstars, but I thought that this was a good selection of games, especially for a genre that Joe didn't even really want to cover.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to lick Joe's taint or anything, but I get really annoyed at all of the nit-picky comments that people leave on their videos.  Maybe I'm just getting more sensitive to it because my channel has gotten big enough that I'm starting to get them myself, but it seems like there is a small but vocal contingent of people who dislike Game Sack but make it their mission to watch every episode just so that they can talk shit.  If you don't like the show, just unsubscribe and stop watching it.  Or better yet, start your own channel and show us all how it's done.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on January 10, 2016, 05:23:40 PM

Gentlegamer I'm not sure why you're always so pissy towards me on any given forum, but it's definitely something consistent that I've noticed. Do you have something you wanna say? Just get it out right here and now.

Let me be the first to say: whatever happens, please hug afterwards. :)
Hah.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 10, 2016, 08:32:19 PM

Gentlegamer I'm not sure why you're always so pissy towards me on any given forum, but it's definitely something consistent that I've noticed. Do you have something you wanna say? Just get it out right here and now.

Let me be the first to say: whatever happens, please hug afterwards. :)
Maybe they need to settle it in the ring  :roll: :wink:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on January 11, 2016, 05:52:19 AM
Kaillera wrestling match time!  Live on youtube!  Wait it wouldn't be live.  Regardless it'd be fun to watch.  Wrestling is kinda like hugging so they would also be pleasing esteban.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 11, 2016, 06:13:31 AM
Not a favorite video of mine. But it is very hard for me to have interest in something I do not activity enjoy.


With that said the production was always very well and I found at lest one game I am interested to play despite my disinterest in sports games.  Wreaking games being top shelf lack of interest for me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 11, 2016, 07:16:24 AM
I'm actually kinda surprised this didn't make the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_WrestleMania_%28video_game%29
Though I'm not much of a wrestling fan, this one sticks out as I remember renting this as a kid and very catchy music. Not to mention it features Andre the Giant..
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: johnnykonami on January 11, 2016, 09:35:57 AM
I didn't watch this yet, and I'm not a wrestling fan per say, but I'm not one of football, baseball or many other sports and I've enjoyed the odd video game about them.  So I'm not sure if it was included, but I always kinda enjoyed Mat Mania by Taito back in the day.  Also Monster Pro wrestling on the PCE kinda intrigues me.  Making wrestling an intergalactic battle between different species of aliens is pretty cool.  Honestly if you put an outer space or future theme on any sport I usually like it better.  Case in point, Base Wars!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 11, 2016, 04:59:38 PM
That Pro Wrestling game was a guilty pleasure of mine back in the NES days. Logged many many hours on it. Had a certain charm to it. Dunno why though, but no other wrestling games ever interested me after that, never ran into one that was as fun/enjoyable. The genre just wasn't on my radar much I guess, also a factor. But yeah, I really liked that NES game BITD.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 11, 2016, 06:49:40 PM
That Pro Wrestling game was a guilty pleasure of mine back in the NES days. Logged many many hours on it. Had a certain charm to it. Dunno why though, but no other wrestling games ever interested me after that, never ran into one that was as fun/enjoyable. The genre just wasn't on my radar much I guess, also a factor. But yeah, I really liked that NES game BITD.
This and tecmo world wrestling for me as well beside WWE The arcade game,Saturday Night Slammasters.There's been a few times i wanted to try the fire pro wrestling series but i never did.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 11, 2016, 08:47:46 PM
If we do another wrestling episode, at least now I can stay away from the mega-popular ones that I struggle to maintain interest in and instead cover something like Ringside Angel which I played after the episode was completed. It was actually kind of interesting. Not an amazing game by any means, but something I'd find more interesting to talk about. We're in no hurry to do that and I totally understand this not being a favorite episode of some people. It's not one of my favorites, either. But at least it's better than that Call of Duty episode we once did. Dave wanted to nab some of the modern gaming market and he chose a couple of FPS games to do it. I think it might still be our least viewed episode despite me cramming some retro stuff in there. I think we can nab an audience who ALSO enjoys some modern games as well as retro stuff by just talking about interesting games no matter the generation. Just because it isn't retro doesn't mean it isn't good. In fact I just got the Target Earth remake on the PS4 and it's pretty fun!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 11, 2016, 11:03:05 PM
I think you and Dave did pretty well with your wrestling episode. It's refreshing to get the point of view from somebody who is kind of new to the genre.

If you've got any if the Rumble Roses titles, you could try showing it in the next one.

Tits.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on January 12, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
Just because it isn't retro doesn't mean it isn't good.

Spot on!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 12, 2016, 02:02:54 AM
If we do another wrestling episode, at least now I can stay away from the mega-popular ones that I struggle to maintain interest in and instead cover something like Ringside Angel which I played after the episode was completed. It was actually kind of interesting. Not an amazing game by any means, but something I'd find more interesting to talk about. We're in no hurry to do that and I totally understand this not being a favorite episode of some people. It's not one of my favorites, either. But at least it's better than that Call of Duty episode we once did. Dave wanted to nab some of the modern gaming market and he chose a couple of FPS games to do it. I think it might still be our least viewed episode despite me cramming some retro stuff in there. I think we can nab an audience who ALSO enjoys some modern games as well as retro stuff by just talking about interesting games no matter the generation. Just because it isn't retro doesn't mean it isn't good. In fact I just got the Target Earth remake on the PS4 and it's pretty fun!


Well if and when you do another episode on wrestling throw in Rumble Rose for the LOLZ.

The fact that I had no idea you did a episode onCOD or FPS in general speaks to it being your least viewed. I thought I had seen every episode honestly.


I agree if you show fun games nearly any system and generation of gaming can be enjoyable. Heck I have based MUCH of my library on some of your recommendations.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on January 12, 2016, 04:12:07 AM
...it seems like there is a small but vocal contingent of people who dislike Game Sack but make it their mission to watch every episode just so that they can talk shit.
A view is a view, make 'dat YT moneyz, yo! "There is no such thing as bad publicity"

In fact I just got the Target Earth remake on the PS4 and it's pretty fun!
TE one of my top 5 for Genny but alas, no PS4 for me currently.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on January 12, 2016, 06:41:59 AM
...it seems like there is a small but vocal contingent of people who dislike Game Sack but make it their mission to watch every episode just so that they can talk shit.
A view is a view, make 'dat YT moneyz, yo! "There is no such thing as bad publicity"

Negative comments on my videos used to get me down, but then my buddy (quoting a football player) told me "If they ain't talkin' shit, you ain't doin' shit."  That made me feel better.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on January 12, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
Hah.  That's actually a good quote and makes total sense.  Even if I don't like a show/review channel I won't go and talk shit in their comments.  I still never understand that.  I guess people need  to do it to make themselves feel better. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 12, 2016, 07:23:10 AM
Maybe I'm just getting more sensitive to it because my channel has gotten big enough that I'm starting to get them myself, but it seems like there is a small but vocal contingent of people who dislike Game Sack but make it their mission to watch every episode just so that they can talk shit.

Yeah, Joe's definitely got twerp Nemesis Nintega types that are always just there ready to thumb the next video down and heckle him... It seemed like really sad/lame to me he felt he had to take some time in this video to have to tell people what they should already know, if you don't have the same tastes/likes in videogames with somebody else, that is not a declaration of war! How immature is the crowd he's having to deal with if you gotta cautiously preface your opinions in that manner every now and then ? ...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: geise on January 12, 2016, 07:26:35 AM
Well...they are youtube commenters so...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on January 12, 2016, 08:13:24 AM
I don't expect much from youtube commenters (especially not if they're CoD or wrasslin' fans), but I suppose a view is a view.  Thanks for ad revenue, hatters!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 12, 2016, 08:30:23 AM

I don't expect much from youtube commenters (especially not if they're CoD or wrasslin' fans), but I suppose a view is a view.  Thanks for ad revenue, hatters!

Mad hatters!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on January 12, 2016, 09:36:54 AM
Joe any chance you'll be going to the Retropalooza in Houston? I prefer to make my asinine comments to your face. aaaaaawwwww yyyeeeeeeaaah
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: toymachine78 on January 12, 2016, 10:34:25 AM
Just because it isn't retro doesn't mean it isn't good.

Spot on!
Hey it's Game Sack, not Retro Game Sack. Review whatever the hell you want to review. Get Sacked!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 12, 2016, 11:33:08 AM
Joe any chance you'll be going to the Retropalooza in Houston? I prefer to make my asinine comments to your face. aaaaaawwwww yyyeeeeeeaaah

Ha ha, no. Unfortunately we won't be able to do any conventions this year.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on January 12, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
Joe any chance you'll be going to the Retropalooza in Houston? I prefer to make my asinine comments to your face. aaaaaawwwww yyyeeeeeeaaah

Ha ha, no. Unfortunately we won't be able to do any conventions this year.
Dang, I missed the last one in Arlington. Gamesack is the only panel that I would be interested in going to.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 12, 2016, 04:46:56 PM
Well...they are youtube commenters so...

Awww yeah, an oldie but goldie! Get ready for...Youtube Comment Fight!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on January 13, 2016, 12:44:41 AM
Unfortunately we won't be able to do any conventions this year.
This makes me sad. I do several cons and you guys(and gal) was the only panel or meet'n greet I ever gave a sack about.

(https://www.googledrive.com/host/0B6XVC48SOj4KWHVFZVVkUkFhMVU)



Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 16, 2016, 07:45:26 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 16, 2016, 11:58:22 PM

http://youtu.be/ubg9G9GU-08


I have not watched this yet, but I love the category....so much more fun than simply entitling it "family-friendly"...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 17, 2016, 02:45:17 AM
Man Joe, you nailed the Crazy Taxi voice.
A friend of mine eventually managed to beat the challenge mode for CT1. I think the hardest part was doing a perfect bowling run.

Great episode, as always! And you made me curious about if the next episode will be really super brutal violent.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on January 20, 2016, 05:35:13 AM
I'm going to take a stab at the extremely violent games.


A Manhunt game
Postal
Deathrace

And Time Killers if they want to re-feature it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 21, 2016, 02:17:32 PM
I'm very surprised you guys haven't done an ep on bad ass sounding Famicom games that weren't released here in the U.S.

Seriously, this is pretty good stuff. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on January 21, 2016, 04:00:31 PM

I'm very surprised you guys haven't done an ep on bad ass sounding Famicom games that weren't released here in the U.S.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drwX7MbB_IE#)

Seriously, this is pretty good stuff. :)


That is impressive.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on January 22, 2016, 11:15:57 AM
Considering Konami's FM prowess, and even their RPG soundtracks, I always felt Lagrange Point was a huge missed opportunity.

Too "Jazz Fusion" when it could have been something else.  Heck, Snatcher is the closest game thematically, and check out THAT awesome soundtrack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 22, 2016, 02:14:17 PM
Considering Konami's FM prowess, and even their RPG soundtracks, I always felt Lagrange Point was a huge missed opportunity.

Too "Jazz Fusion" when it could have been something else.  Heck, Snatcher is the closest game thematically, and check out THAT awesome soundtrack.

Right, but this is on the Famicom! I'm curious to what other enhanced sound carts are like for it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on January 23, 2016, 01:00:54 PM
Right, but this is on the Famicom! I'm curious to what other enhanced sound carts are like for it.

Much better.

For example, Gimmick!, Akumajou Dracula, Madara, King of Kings, a bunch of FDS games.......
FM went to waste in this one example on the Famicom.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 23, 2016, 07:19:41 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 23, 2016, 10:06:10 PM
Hahaha, great you brought Postal² up. To me, this is the spiritual sequel to Duke Nukem 3D.
Joe, I bet your throat was hurting after this episode, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on January 24, 2016, 03:30:18 PM
Great Episode

What are you guys going to do next?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 25, 2016, 01:19:04 AM
Great Episode

What are you guys going to do next?
Cartridges that have enhanced sound perhaps? *nudge nudge* :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on January 26, 2016, 12:45:37 AM
to think rated M games are "watered down" products.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 26, 2016, 03:07:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_fUWrLMI_U&feature=youtu.be&t=24m40s

So cats are only good for 9 shots when repurposed as a silencer, eh ? Good to know!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on January 26, 2016, 05:42:25 PM
Just saw the post on their facebook page.

Hope your hiatus isn't of the eternal variety. :p

But yeah when you do come back, bi-weekly would seem the way to go.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on January 26, 2016, 06:21:21 PM
Weekly was awesome, but as I said somewhere in this thread before, bi-weekly is totally fine for me. Or monthly. Quality > Quantity. You do all this stuff voluntarily and thus sacrificing free time. I have the nothing but a lot of respect for your hard work. I'm sure the majority of your viewers do, too. But it's usually the hateful commentary that gets posted in the end, which is a shame.

However, the most important thing is that you and Dave are doing well.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on January 26, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Dave and Joe decided to take a break from the release grind so they can party hard with Blue and Xel...lots of Colorado obey debauchery going to take place! Dave's vlog about beer is a tip off.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on January 27, 2016, 08:24:10 AM
Weekly was nice but if you can't keep it up don't stress it.  I much prefer things that I want to watch because they're good to things that I can watch a lot of because no effort went into it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on January 27, 2016, 08:58:21 AM
Dave and Joe decided to take a break from the release grind so they can party hard with Blue and Xel...lots of Colorado obey debauchery going to take place! Dave's vlog about beer is a tip off.

Marijuana is even "legal" here, lol.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: captain_n77 on January 30, 2016, 11:06:07 PM
I saw there wasn't a new Sack episode up tonight and immediately came to this thread for answers! It took some time but I finally found the facebook post that was mentioned(when did FB get so stupid and not have activity in sequential order? Must admit I hardly use FB any more). Well of course I'm sad I won't be getting any weekly Sack, but it's most definitely a well-deserved break. I've often wondered how Joe keeps cranking these episodes out weekly, even with Dave doing his own capture footage these days.

I have also noticed Joe seems to take things pretty personally. You know what? I probably would too if I were in his shoes. My channel is TINY but even I get the occasional troll. I can imagine a big channel like Sack must get them by the truckload. Joe, if you read this, I just want to say thanks for all the good times you and your crew have given us. It's an awesome experience to watch Gamesack and the vast majority of us will still be around whenever you guys make your return. Heck, I'll even bet money you guys will have lots more subscribers when you return. Looking forward to more Sack and the opportunity to go back and re-watch some older episodes(like the Ys episode for the 10th time).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 31, 2016, 03:18:12 AM
I say passion projects need a break every now and again or you burn out.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on January 31, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
I say passion projects need a break every now and again or you burn out.

Yes!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on January 31, 2016, 05:14:04 AM
Whenever your hobby becomes a chore it isn't fun anymore, and its time to step back and take a break. Joe, I think you should edit  some of your old clips together and make some compilations  For example, you often say we aren't covering X game because we already did. So you might end up with a video that has every RPG you have ever covered in one. It's something I'd like to see and it would be less work and still get a few ad dollars.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 31, 2016, 05:17:34 AM
Whenever your hobby becomes a chore it isn't fun anymore, and its time to step back and take a break. Joe, I think you should edit  some of your old clips together and make some compilations  For example, you often say we aren't covering X game because we already did. So you might end up with a video that has every RPG you have ever covered in one. It's something I'd like to see and it would be less work and still get a few ad dollars.

Plus you might be able to fix old audio or video issues and add different captured footage. Your editing has most likely improved over time and I bet some of your older videos (although I love them) to you as a content creator might make you crying and think man if only I could have changed this or added that.



That's right. Get all Georg Lucus on us!


Just please no Jar Jar.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 31, 2016, 07:03:17 PM
Just saw the post on their facebook page.

Hope your hiatus isn't of the eternal variety. :p

But yeah when you do come back, bi-weekly would seem the way to go.

I didn't see the post but I think this is a good thing.

Way too many people on youtube wind up watering down their channels by releasing too many videos and the quality suffers trying to get out content on too regular of a basis. Quality over quantity is the way to go for sure.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on January 31, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Just saw the post on their facebook page.

Hope your hiatus isn't of the eternal variety. :p

But yeah when you do come back, bi-weekly would seem the way to go.

I didn't see the post....

FYI,

Quote
Game Sack is going on hiatus. We do have another episode coming up in two weeks but then after that we don't know when the next one will be. And no, there's no internal struggle or anything like that going on. Everyone is getting along fine and dandy and there's no conflicts. However come April the show will be 5 years old. We've been doing this pretty much nonstop regularly since April of 2011. No breaks. Even when there were obligations in real life we kept going through with Game Sack. TV shows get seasons and nobody minds. You take breaks on Youtube and people lose interest, subscribers diminish and people become angry. Don't get us wrong, we love making the show for everyone and it is constantly on our minds. The show has also been dying. It's been rapidly declining in views and I think people are perhaps getting a little too much "Sack". We think the best thing to do when we come back might be to go bi-weekly again.

We let our Patreon supporters know first about this yesterday since they actually fund part of the show. That way they could also decide if they want to change or delete their pledges.

Also we wanted to let you know that we won't be attending any conventions in 2016. This was a decision we made during the Portland Retro Gaming Expo in 2015. While we love meeting you all, it's just really hard for us to go on these trips because it's stressful and it interferes with the production of the show.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on February 02, 2016, 06:07:39 AM
When they get back to making videos I think they should consider something like every 10 days. Other youtubers have said every week or is hard so why not try 10 days. Or even smaller 10 minute videos. Of all the reviewers out there. Game Sack is one of the better review shows out there. I'm sure a good middle ground can be found that doesn't overwhelm them but let's them release at a good pace to keep a good viewer base. BTW anyone know what they might be pulling in per month on ad revenue. Game Sack is the only show that I let the ads play all the way through.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gredler on February 02, 2016, 01:18:17 PM
Good for them, I am glad to hear they are getting a well deserved rest. They've been consistently pumping out bad ass content for 5 years? They deserve one hell of a vacation. Rock on guys, enjoy the break.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on February 03, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
Can't wait until the new episode this weekend!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: VenomMacbeth on February 03, 2016, 04:05:48 PM

Can't wait until the new episode this weekend!

....what?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on February 03, 2016, 04:07:35 PM

Can't wait until the new episode this weekend!

....what?

Yep. The last one before they take their break.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: SamIAm on February 06, 2016, 01:40:47 PM
Hey Joe, if you ever do another music comparison episode, here's another one.

Super Aleste, first bonus stage (after stage 2)
https://youtu.be/FvqWLOPA3lA?t=596

New Order, Fine Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGhUC3tdcqw

It's a very clear rip-off. If you listen to both tracks completely, though, you can hear that Super Aleste just uses Fine Time as a foundation and grows its own song from there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 06, 2016, 07:56:56 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 07, 2016, 02:05:15 AM
Nice video. Sigh. Reminds me I am missing so much of the Renovation game library.

Was anyone else surprised they labeled the video part one?  Then hoped it would mean they would kick out part two next weekend lol despite their sebaticol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on February 07, 2016, 02:09:22 AM

Nice video. Sigh. Reminds me I am missing so much of the Renovation game library.

Was anyone else surprised they labeled the video part one?  Then hoped it would mean they would kick out part two next weekend lol despite their sebaticol

Best spelling of "sabbatical", ever :)

Your spelling sounds like an antiseptic found in Lithuania.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 07, 2016, 03:23:47 AM

Nice video. Sigh. Reminds me I am missing so much of the Renovation game library.

Was anyone else surprised they labeled the video part one?  Then hoped it would mean they would kick out part two next weekend lol despite their sebaticol

Best spelling of "sabbatical", ever :)

Your spelling sounds like an antiseptic found in Lithuania.

:)

Bazinga
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: captain_n77 on February 13, 2016, 06:05:52 PM
When they get back to making videos I think they should consider something like every 10 days. Other youtubers have said every week or is hard so why not try 10 days. Or even smaller 10 minute videos. Of all the reviewers out there. Game Sack is one of the better review shows out there. I'm sure a good middle ground can be found that doesn't overwhelm them but let's them release at a good pace to keep a good viewer base. BTW anyone know what they might be pulling in per month on ad revenue. Game Sack is the only show that I let the ads play all the way through.

I agree that releasing videos regularly would, at least theoretically, help any channel grow, but it's not exactly necessary(not that I want to encourage GameSack to release sporadically). Look at the Gaming Historian. He started off last year trying to release a video every two weeks or so and quickly realized he just couldn't keep up that pace with what he was doing. He slowed way down throughout the year(and made some great videos) and his subscriptions grew enormously.

I must admit I got pretty spoiled with weekly Sack. I think when they went from bi-weekly to weekly I just told myself "they wouldn't go weekly unless it was fairly easy on them", which was of course silly of me to think.

Anyways, I hope Joe and Dave take all the rest they need and come back when it feels right to them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 13, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on February 14, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Best ending skit in a long time on this one. Still waiting on an LJN exclusive video.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on February 26, 2016, 06:57:24 AM
Finally watched the last ep before you guys go on hiatus.  Though I look forward to your return I hope you enjoy your break.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 01, 2016, 12:59:54 AM
Joe, I just got the Game Sack blu-ray. The first thing I did was watching the "how it started" bonus feature, and now I'm going through the audio commentary for the episodes. It's so much fun listening to your thoughts about the show.

The box art makes me wonder when there'll be Joe X Dave fanfictions, lol.

But seriously, thank you so much for releasing that awesome disc.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 07, 2016, 12:47:33 AM
Only just now saw this:


(http://i65.tinypic.com/b7cjgo.jpg)


Looking forward to it. (http://i.imgur.com/v99tEAu.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on March 07, 2016, 01:16:23 AM
Only just now saw this:


(http://i65.tinypic.com/b7cjgo.jpg)


Looking forward to it. (http://i.imgur.com/v99tEAu.gif)



Neat.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 07, 2016, 08:35:02 AM
March sorrows bring April Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on March 07, 2016, 09:45:40 AM
YES!  I miss spending every other (or every) Sunday delving into a new sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on March 07, 2016, 10:01:30 AM
I hope it's an episode on the Chameleon, so Joe and Dave can jump on the outrage bandwagon, acting like it's a surprise that it's a scam.  'twould be fitting even two days late, no?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Koop on March 07, 2016, 11:57:19 AM
Happily gave my small Patreon donation for the month. Happy to see new content, gotta love the sack.™

Any word on attending Too Many Games 2016?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 08, 2016, 12:34:13 AM
Any word on attending Too Many Games 2016?
...Unfortunately we won't be able to do any conventions this year.
Let's hope things turn around if not for this year, the following years.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on March 08, 2016, 08:19:57 AM
Only just now saw this:


(http://i65.tinypic.com/b7cjgo.jpg)





Looking forward to it. (http://i.imgur.com/v99tEAu.gif)


I'm glad, if I can't watch game Sack in my underwear any more then what else am I going to do with my spare time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on March 08, 2016, 04:36:20 PM
I hope it's an episode on the Chameleon, so Joe and Dave can jump on the outrage bandwagon, acting like it's a surprise that it's a scam.  'twould be fitting even two days late, no?

Oh wow, that is a great idea! I'd love to see Joe take advantage of that trainwreck in an episode soon while the lulz-generating potential is so hot!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Koop on March 08, 2016, 04:46:29 PM
Any word on attending Too Many Games 2016?
...Unfortunately we won't be able to do any conventions this year.
Let's hope things turn around if not for this year, the following years.

Aw, that sucks... I have my official $1 Game Sack™ from last year that needs a brother.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 12, 2016, 04:07:16 AM
Thanks to Gamesack, I just tried the Streets of Rage triple pack demo on Xbox 360. Man, these games are all awesome, so I bought the full download. Even part 1 plays so fine and has such a nice music, that I don't care about the rather simplistic graphics compared to part 2 and 3. And I'm a graphics whore when it comes to 16 bit games. I can't wait to play them in multiplayer with my girlfriend.
It's so cool that the triple pack includes all US, JP and EU region versions.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on March 18, 2016, 07:27:42 AM
This is relevant to my interests. Please hit us with your sacks. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 19, 2016, 11:29:21 PM
Game Sack has been challenged  :roll: #-o
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 19, 2016, 11:43:53 PM
^^
I'm surprised he didn't find a way of including Truxton into the vid.

That guy is annoying. He's on YT, and then he's not. Then he's off YT again. But then discovers this thing called "patreon". So yeah, you guessed it. Back on YT again.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on March 20, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
^^
I'm surprised he didn't find a way of including Truxton into the vid.

That guy is annoying. He's on YT, and then he's not. Then he's off YT again. But then discovers this thing called "patreon". So yeah, you guessed it. Back on YT again.
In his defense, Truxton IS f*cking awesome!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 20, 2016, 09:13:56 PM
^^
I'm surprised he didn't find a way of including Truxton into the vid.

That guy is annoying. He's on YT, and then he's not. Then he's off YT again. But then discovers this thing called "patreon". So yeah, you guessed it. Back on YT again.
In his defense, Truxton IS f*cking awesome!
It's a good shooter for the genesis.Still the likes of musha,gleylancer and thunder force iv out does it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 20, 2016, 09:24:20 PM
I think Mark from CGR is alright, as long as he's capable of making fun of himself. Definitely one of the more entertaining gaming people on Youtube who doesn't give a f*ck about going the boring podcast/vlog route filled with Wikipedia whippersnapper content as so many others do. He just keeps on chooching out silly reviews (I mean this in a positive way) on regular basis.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on March 20, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
I too enjoy a bit of CGR . Much more enjoyable than what some things have turned into. ( James and mike Mondays zzzz)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on April 02, 2016, 07:31:18 PM
The Sack is back.


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on April 03, 2016, 02:52:37 PM
Welcome back Game Sack.  It was well worth the wait.   :D
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Koop on April 03, 2016, 04:02:22 PM
Yes! Hit me with the sack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on April 05, 2016, 11:35:21 AM
I'm going to be flamed away here but FINALLY another episode that's worth the watch!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on April 06, 2016, 01:01:16 AM
Good meaty ep. Glad Joe and Dave covered more obscure titles on the PS2.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: KnightWarrior on April 07, 2016, 08:08:27 AM
Great Episode Guys, Keep up the Good Work
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on April 13, 2016, 07:26:26 AM
Good to have you back. Poor Joe, has to settle for 480i
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 16, 2016, 07:44:16 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 16, 2016, 08:12:51 PM
Hah, you beat me to it, Tron! I was gonna post this if you hadn't already! ;)

Highlights:

* Our very own Arkhan got his HuCard game Atlantean featured first!

* Chris Covell had his HuZero featured as well.

* The hacks are interesting, but the ones I think I could care about some day are for Zelda and Super Metroid really. Maybe the Castlevania hack for the original NES version could be worth checking out when I'm an old man and if-and-only-if I finished off my backlog and modern stuff by then - just don't see a need to care about that one at present.

* With the rubber feet challenge towards the end, Joe goes full-on with a country boy "monster truck-loving" hillbilly voice!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 17, 2016, 12:27:19 PM
Hah, you beat me to it, Tron! I was gonna post this if you hadn't already! ;)

Highlights:

* Our very own Arkhan got his HuCard game Atlantean featured first!

* Chris Covell had his HuZero featured as well.

* The hacks are interesting, but the ones I think I could care about some day are for Zelda and Super Metroid really. Maybe the Castlevania hack for the original NES version could be worth checking out when I'm an old man and if-and-only-if I finished off my backlog and modern stuff by then - just don't see a need to care about that one at present.

* With the rubber feet challenge towards the end, Joe goes full-on with a country boy "monster truck-loving" hillbilly voice!

TheOldMan and sunteam_paul also worked on Atlantean.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on April 17, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
* With the rubber feet challenge towards the end, Joe goes full-on with a country boy "monster truck-loving" hillbilly voice!

I thought it was Macho Man Randy Savage.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 17, 2016, 04:01:18 PM
Eh, definitely not good enough to compare to Macho Man. ;)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on April 17, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Eh, definitely not good enough to compare to Macho Man. ;)

Yeah, if Joe was going for Macho Man, it would have been more overt.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gredler on April 18, 2016, 05:11:48 AM
Great video, as always, and it's awesome to see some advertisement go Aetherbytes way - they certainly deserve it!!

In the video Joe asks the question what delineates between "Indie" and "Homebrew" - and I think that is as slippery of a slope as "Retro" - personally I hate these terms like a lot of you hate "Shmup" - I think they're misleading and contribute to a generalization of a complicated issue.

I think it's ironic that people think the small and mid level studios are gone, but somehow "Indies" have often staff of over 40 people including PR, HR, and marketing people  :-k  When people refer to Tim Schafer's studio as "indie" I think you see my point, or the behemoth for that matter.


To be considered a "homebrew" I would assume it's made in someones home, using tools they own with no real company structure behind them.


Again, a bunch of semantics and diction that has no barring on anything other that perception of these developers, which I think it ultimately overpowered and silly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DarkKobold on April 18, 2016, 06:29:35 PM
Hah, you beat me to it, Tron! I was gonna post this if you hadn't already! ;)

Highlights:

They also featured a game I gifted them at PRGE! That was cool to see.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 18, 2016, 06:36:17 PM
In the video Joe asks the question what delineates between "Indie" and "Homebrew" - and I think that is as slippery of a slope as "Retro"

To be considered a "homebrew" I would assume it's made in someones home, using tools they own with no real company structure behind them.

Yeah, "homebrew" at least is clearer to describe - a game that was made by fans for a console after its normal lifespan has run its course. It's much more of an uphill battle having to reverse engineer the system, the API, not having access to official dev kits, and since most videogame consoles come with a closed-licensing model (you're technically supposed to talk business with the console manufacturer to pay them for the privilege of making a game for the system), homebrew games are technically unlicensed (hence not legal).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on April 18, 2016, 06:51:31 PM
NightWolf, I agree with you.

I always assumed that homebrew was required to be unlicensed whereas an indie game has a small budget but still gets the legal nod from the console manufacturer.

I would say that the more difficult designation comes from the term "indie". Couldn't any 3rd party game be considered independent?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 18, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
I would argue that (probably?) all homebrew games are indie but not all indie games are homebrew. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 19, 2016, 08:37:36 AM
It's not Macho Man. I tried doing Macho Man at the end of the Wrestling Games episode. The voice I did in this one is basically what I call "Angry Texan". Macho Man is usually much calmer and controlled.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on April 19, 2016, 08:55:30 AM
It's not Macho Man. I tried doing Macho Man at the end of the Wrestling Games episode. The voice I did in this one is basically what I call "Angry Texan". Macho Man is usually much calmer and controlled.

Next time wear cowboy boots and a cowboy hat lol.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on April 29, 2016, 08:38:26 AM
http://www.heypoorplayer.com/2016/04/29/game-sack-interview/

"Mike asks popular YouTube retro-gaming duo Game Sack a sackful of questions"

(http://www.heypoorplayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/gamesack.jpg)

Quote
Being an “old school” gamer, I still get confused to this day when I see how many views a “Let’s Play” video on YouTube manages to accumulate.  Watching other people play video games?  Why would I want to do that when I can just play the game myself?  Being the oldest contributor here at Hey Poor Player, I’m probably the only one of us that refuses to watch one of these videos.  The other guys here often pass by my desk watching in fear as I shake my cane at the monitor when YouTube decides to recommend nothing but Game Grumps and PewDiePie. 

Luckily, not all is lost to veteran gamers like myself.  There are thousands of gaming related YouTube channels that provide amazing retro gaming content and can also teach the younger generation of fans about the history of their favorite hobby.  One of these channels that I consider to be the best on YouTube is Game Sack.  Joe & Dave have been teaching both longtime players and those new to the hobby about their favorite (and least favorite) gaming consoles, games, and peripherals since their first video in April 2011.  When I reached out to Game Sack to inquire about an interview I was delighted to see how approachable Joe and Dave were, and could immediately tell how passionate they were about their channel.  Hopefully this interview will introduce a handful of gamers to the Game Sack channel and also provide a bit of insight to long time fans on what makes Game Sack tick.

Game Sack brother!!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 30, 2016, 10:06:51 AM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on April 30, 2016, 08:13:28 PM
Guess who they parody  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on April 30, 2016, 10:01:30 PM
Joe, Dave, if you only had half the fun making this video in comparison to me watching it, you must have had a bloody good time. You got all those personalities spot on.

For the next episode in that vein, I'd throw Pat/Ian and Chris Bucchi in the hat. And Peanut Butter Gamer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 01, 2016, 06:01:45 AM
All right, a nice comfortable Sunday plus a new episode of Game Sack, gonna give it a go! :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 02, 2016, 05:05:21 AM
They got the HCG's mannerisms and speaking pattern perfectly.  Joe did a VERY good Job with his impressions.   
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on May 02, 2016, 05:11:07 AM
I really enjoyed the different format for this week's episode.  There was definitely a lot of time and effort put into those parodies.  I'm kind of hoping that some of those guys do reverse parodies of Game Sack in their future episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 02, 2016, 07:29:51 AM
I really enjoyed the different format for this week's episode.  There was definitely a lot of time and effort put into those parodies.  I'm kind of hoping that some of those guys do reverse parodies of Game Sack in their future episodes.


I belive Happy Consol Gamer did a mock game sack opening once.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on May 02, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
I really enjoyed the different format for this week's episode.  There was definitely a lot of time and effort put into those parodies.  I'm kind of hoping that some of those guys do reverse parodies of Game Sack in their future episodes.


I belive Happy Consol Gamer did a mock game sack opening once.

I'll have to check that out.  Have a link?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on May 02, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
This is quite possibly my favorite episode of your show.  I liked the Metal Jesus Rocks parody best.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on May 02, 2016, 03:46:04 PM
I forgot to mention this earlier, but you even got AVGN's tattoo on your arm.  That's the type of attention to detail that I expect from Game Sack.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on May 02, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
This episode was freaking awesome.  I've never watched an episode of AVGN so I can't comment on that one, but your impression of Mark from CGR was great, as was Metal Jesus.  I only wish you had done AlphaOmegaSin, but I guess that's going for the low-hanging fruit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Zero_Gamer on May 02, 2016, 05:59:07 PM
This episode was freaking awesome.  I've never watched an episode of AVGN so I can't comment on that one, but your impression of Mark from CGR was great, as was Metal Jesus.  I only wish you had done AlphaOmegaSin, but I guess that's going for the low-hanging fruit.
How have you resisted watching AVGN all these years after all the coverage, hype, etc?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on May 02, 2016, 06:13:10 PM
This episode was freaking awesome.  I've never watched an episode of AVGN so I can't comment on that one, but your impression of Mark from CGR was great, as was Metal Jesus.  I only wish you had done AlphaOmegaSin, but I guess that's going for the low-hanging fruit.
How have you resisted watching AVGN all these years after all the coverage, hype, etc?

Well, first of all I am not a big consumer of YT gaming content.  Most of my YouTube watching consists of loading up mixtape videos to listen to at work, and motor racing videos (watching the GP of Long Beach right now, in fact.)  Second, the first time I saw a screenshot of AVGN making his trademark mad face I knew I that I would hate the show, so I've never watched it.  You'd be surprised at how many "famous" gaming YouTube channels I've either never watched, or have only watched a couple of times. 

I also really dislike channels where the content creator is ostensibly selling some kind of character instead of just being themselves.  I want to at least believe that the person is just being themselves.  That's why I like Game Sack.  For all I know Joe and Dave are gigantic a$$holes in real life, but I don't care because on-screen they are a couple of likable, relatable average Joes (no pun intended).  So any channel where the person is fake-angry [Irate Gamer, Angry Joe, AVGN (all of whom I've never watched)] or over the top "wacky" (PewDiePie - again never watched) is just not something I care to watch.  The occasional LGR or Game Sack is more than enough YT gaming content for me.  I used to watch Metal Jesus (kind of a colorful character but I totally believe that what you see is him just being himself), but once YT turned into his full-time job he just started making the kinds of videos that would get maximum clicks and I lost interest.  More power to him, but it's not for me anymore.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on May 03, 2016, 02:24:29 AM
...you even got AVGN's tattoo on your arm.  That's the type of attention to detail that I expect from Game Sack.  :P
There where a few "Easter eggs"...like the AES with the Super Gameboy<?> in the cart slot. Makes re-watching it more fun to pick up the hidden funny bits.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Zero_Gamer on May 03, 2016, 02:44:57 AM
This episode was freaking awesome.  I've never watched an episode of AVGN so I can't comment on that one, but your impression of Mark from CGR was great, as was Metal Jesus.  I only wish you had done AlphaOmegaSin, but I guess that's going for the low-hanging fruit.
How have you resisted watching AVGN all these years after all the coverage, hype, etc?

Well, first of all I am not a big consumer of YT gaming content.  Most of my YouTube watching consists of loading up mixtape videos to listen to at work, and motor racing videos (watching the GP of Long Beach right now, in fact.)  Second, the first time I saw a screenshot of AVGN making his trademark mad face I knew I that I would hate the show, so I've never watched it.  You'd be surprised at how many "famous" gaming YouTube channels I've either never watched, or have only watched a couple of times. 

I also really dislike channels where the content creator is ostensibly selling some kind of character instead of just being themselves.  I want to at least believe that the person is just being themselves.  That's why I like Game Sack.  For all I know Joe and Dave are gigantic a$$holes in real life, but I don't care because on-screen they are a couple of likable, relatable average Joes (no pun intended).  So any channel where the person is fake-angry [Irate Gamer, Angry Joe, AVGN (all of whom I've never watched)] or over the top "wacky" (PewDiePie - again never watched) is just not something I care to watch.  The occasional LGR or Game Sack is more than enough YT gaming content for me.  I used to watch Metal Jesus (kind of a colorful character but I totally believe that what you see is him just being himself), but once YT turned into his full-time job he just started making the kinds of videos that would get maximum clicks and I lost interest.  More power to him, but it's not for me anymore.
Well I guess it's all about what you are after. There are informative gaming shows like Game Sack, and entertainment shows like AVGN. The character bit makes sense for an entertainment show, as watching some goof ball just sit and talk about games isn't very entertaining for the most part. I'm looking at you Metal Jesus. 

That is what makes games sack stand out. Very polished production, very informative, and enough humor to be entertaining.

I will say though, AVGN was the first gaming show I ever watched. First YT show period for that matter. I always assumed YT was just a bunch cellphone shot bullshit people uploaded. Once I found AVGN, I started looking for more and found game sack.

AVGN is also single handedly responsible for motivating me to dig out my old consoles and games. I owned a lot of the games he covered early on, and had a lot of the same gripes, which made the show even funnier. It made me want to play them again. This is probably true for a lot of folks who have returned to retro gaming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on May 03, 2016, 05:17:37 AM
This episode was freaking awesome.  I've never watched an episode of AVGN so I can't comment on that one, but your impression of Mark from CGR was great, as was Metal Jesus.  I only wish you had done AlphaOmegaSin, but I guess that's going for the low-hanging fruit.
How have you resisted watching AVGN all these years after all the coverage, hype, etc?

Well, first of all I am not a big consumer of YT gaming content.  Most of my YouTube watching consists of loading up mixtape videos to listen to at work, and motor racing videos (watching the GP of Long Beach right now, in fact.)  Second, the first time I saw a screenshot of AVGN making his trademark mad face I knew I that I would hate the show, so I've never watched it.  You'd be surprised at how many "famous" gaming YouTube channels I've either never watched, or have only watched a couple of times. 

I also really dislike channels where the content creator is ostensibly selling some kind of character instead of just being themselves.  I want to at least believe that the person is just being themselves.  That's why I like Game Sack.  For all I know Joe and Dave are gigantic a$$holes in real life, but I don't care because on-screen they are a couple of likable, relatable average Joes (no pun intended).  So any channel where the person is fake-angry [Irate Gamer, Angry Joe, AVGN (all of whom I've never watched)] or over the top "wacky" (PewDiePie - again never watched) is just not something I care to watch.  The occasional LGR or Game Sack is more than enough YT gaming content for me.  I used to watch Metal Jesus (kind of a colorful character but I totally believe that what you see is him just being himself), but once YT turned into his full-time job he just started making the kinds of videos that would get maximum clicks and I lost interest.  More power to him, but it's not for me anymore.

I understand where you are coming from and I'm pretty much the same way with the exception of AVGN.  I think I can put up with the character just because I've been watching it for so long. I started watching him long before I watched any other video game related channel.  However, I feel the Nerd has sort of run its course, and I find that I prefer the stuff that James does out of character.  I would have absolutely no problem if he retired the character and started doing reviews as himself.  I also wouldn't mind hearing his opinions on some "good" games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on May 03, 2016, 07:07:54 AM
Jibba pretty much summed up how I feel.

Videos are also the last resort if I'm looking for actual information.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on May 03, 2016, 08:00:22 AM
I only wish you had done AlphaOmegaSin, but I guess that's going for the low-hanging fruit.

Ah yeah, forgot about him, that would've been great to see!

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Zero_Gamer on May 03, 2016, 08:13:11 AM
One thing that was left out of the Game Sack spoof at the end was Patreon plugging and pandering. I hate that shit. Watch my show, give me money!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on May 03, 2016, 08:47:15 AM
Great episode. I haven't watched many other youtube gaming channels other than Gamesack, The Gaming Historian (needs to get off the Nintendo fanboy bandwagon seriously) and Jibba's channel. Really be cool to see a part 2 though!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 03, 2016, 08:49:16 AM
There is a Patreon easter egg of sorts if you find the actual Exasperated Gamer channel. Just click open his description!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 14, 2016, 08:27:16 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 15, 2016, 08:02:36 AM
As always another good show.  I really want that McDonald's Treasure Land Game.  M.C. KIDS looks good too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 15, 2016, 11:12:53 AM
The pepsin an game reminds me of those hundreds upon hundreds of endless run IOS games you find on people's phones
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Nameless5511 on May 16, 2016, 01:46:41 PM
I don't know what it is about this last episode, but I'm really craving some McDonalds and Pepsi right now.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind picking up a copy of M.C. Kids.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on May 17, 2016, 10:27:05 AM
Another great episode.  I don't know why, but the Pepsi games looks awesome to me.

I will still always remember TMNT 2: The Arcade Game for its Pizza Hut product placement (and maybe the only game to make me want the product it was advertising). 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on May 17, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
Another great episode.  I don't know why, but the Pepsi games looks awesome to me.

I will still always remember TMNT 2: The Arcade Game for its Pizza Hut product placement (and maybe the only game to make me want the product it was advertising).

There was a coupon inside the box for a free personal pan pizza. Actually, I think it was on the back cover of the manual.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 17, 2016, 07:16:06 PM
Another great episode.  I don't know why, but the Pepsi games looks awesome to me.

Fun Fact:

You can play a back up copy of Pepsiman in your Dremacast using Bleemcast. Yay.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on May 18, 2016, 03:10:33 AM
Another great episode.  I don't know why, but the Pepsi games looks awesome to me.

I will still always remember TMNT 2: The Arcade Game for its Pizza Hut product placement (and maybe the only game to make me want the product it was advertising).

There was a coupon inside the box for a free personal pan pizza. Actually, I think it was on the back cover of the manual.

I remember that because a friend had it.  However, I never saw it myself because we rented 99.99% of the games I played back then and you better believe that coupon was long gone by the time I got to rent that game. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on May 18, 2016, 03:12:51 AM
Another great episode.  I don't know why, but the Pepsi games looks awesome to me.

I will still always remember TMNT 2: The Arcade Game for its Pizza Hut product placement (and maybe the only game to make me want the product it was advertising).

There was a coupon inside the box for a free personal pan pizza. Actually, I think it was on the back cover of the manual.

I remember that because a friend had it.  However, I never saw it myself because we rented 99.99% of the games I played back then and you better believe that coupon was long gone by the time I got to rent that game. :P

Enjoy that coupon bro.


https://youtu.be/8rPa-IzbJzM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on May 18, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
I bought Gunstar Heroes when it came out, and there was a fruit rollup in side the case. Not sure if it was part of a promotion or not, but I ate it  :o
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Zero_Gamer on May 18, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
I bought Gunstar Heroes when it came out, and there was a fruit rollup in side the case. Not sure if it was part of a promotion or not, but I ate it  :o
LOL That seems pretty damn random. Probably part of someone's lunch . Good story [emoji3]
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 19, 2016, 08:53:54 AM
No, mine came with a fruit roll-up as well. I told the guy at EB to throw it away and initially he didn't want to. I had a hard time convincing him to toss it but he eventually did. Now my copy will never be 100% complete.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on May 20, 2016, 12:09:04 PM
cool spot was a pretty fun game as a child, and its still fun to play today.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on May 21, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
I blame Dave for this purchase.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Enternal/IMG_20160521_181924_zpsoxdv3cpp.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 21, 2016, 09:35:24 PM
You should blame me instead since I reviewed it! It's a great game with even better music.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 21, 2016, 09:43:15 PM
You should blame me instead since I reviewed it! It's a great game with even better music.

You're a great game with even better music.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on May 22, 2016, 06:57:59 AM
You should blame me instead since I reviewed it! It's a great game with even better music.

 :oops: Idk how i forgot after only a month. Maybe I just got use to you using your wrestler bear voice. I guess i'll have to cross Dave off my list.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/mF8pi0ggxM7OU/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on May 28, 2016, 08:08:02 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on May 30, 2016, 07:38:06 AM
Master System Games look really good Via RGB.  Excellent colors.  That system is decidedly better than the NES.  Shame it was black listed by Nintendo.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on May 30, 2016, 09:43:53 PM
...why am I watching Gamesack after 3 in the morning?  ::sigh::

Another nice episode.  In case you guys do another one on copycats, I thought Square's World Runner and Rad Racer reminded me of toned down versions of Space Harrier and Out Run.

Oh, and as a kid I thought Adventure Island was a total rip off of Wonderboy, but, well, time makes fools of us all, I guess?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on May 31, 2016, 03:00:00 AM
...why am I watching Gamesack after 3 in the morning?  ::sigh::

Another nice episode.  In case you guys do another one on copycats, I thought Square's World Runner and Rad Racer reminded me of toned down versions of Space Harrier and Out Run.

Oh, and as a kid I thought Adventure Island was a total rip off of Wonderboy, but, well, time makes fools of us all, I guess?

Never would have thought of that with Rad Racer and World Runner. Makes sense now. Come to think of it, the original Legend of Zelda kind of ripped off Hylide (other than the god awful music) too? Might be a bit far fetched to put up Deadly Towers as a Zelda clone as well?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: lekrang on May 31, 2016, 10:02:08 AM
I discovered gamesack a few months back when I was researching on tg16 and neogeo.
I have since watched literally every single videos they have made.

It has became one of my favorite youtube channels.
Keep up the good work GameSack!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on June 01, 2016, 06:47:26 AM
Zelda isn't a very original game and is generally considered either a Hydlide clone or the game Hydlide is ripping off, depending on the type of game enthusiast you are. They didn't copy the music from Hydlide because they stole it from a band (Deep Purple?). It's too bad that Golvelius was lumped in as a Zelda clone when it really isn't.

Smash Bros is just a side view-only Power Stone clone/battle royale game. If the idea was that a game featuring characters from a publisher's games is a genre of its own, they've been around since the Famicom days (Wai Wai World). Even Telenet has Nariagari Trendy on PC Engine and Saturn Bomberman has a large roster. But even if Snash Bros isn't very original either, just as Neutopia is a true Zelda clone, that Sony Smash Bros clone was totally trying to ape Smash Bros.

This seems like it was intended as a quick and easy video compared to what they seem to usually do, but an interesting topic would be showing the many games which do things famous games do while pre-dating them. It doesn't matter if Zelda was purposely copying other games or not, but it would be informative for casual game video watchers to learn about games like Adventure, Venture, AD&D Cloudy Mountain, etc which came earlier.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on June 03, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
All RPGs are clones of Ultima, all stealth games are clones of Castle Wolfenstein, all sports games are clones of Pong, all first person shooters are clones of Faceball, all 3D games are clones of Battlezone.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 03, 2016, 09:09:09 PM
All humans are clones of Adam.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 04, 2016, 04:25:06 AM
All humans are clones of Adam.

Coleco Adam.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on June 11, 2016, 07:37:30 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: MNKyDeth on June 11, 2016, 08:07:37 PM
Great Episode, I am curious if they were limiting themselves to 8 and 16 bit consoles though?

I mean, most of the games that were cd based in this generation had incredible music I thought. But when you go from some poor 8bit Nes stuff (granted some is good) to a full featured redbook cd-audio it's really hard to go back.

But then I just end right back at Y's 1&2 because this is one of the first games on CD I ever heard and I was immediately blown away until I heard Gate of Thunder that also came with my TurboDuo. I really couldn't get enough of either one of them at the time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on June 12, 2016, 12:35:50 AM
Great Episode, I am curious if they were limiting themselves to 8 and 16 bit consoles though?

My assumption is that since this is part 1, there will be more videos covering later consoles/game eras.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on June 12, 2016, 01:56:17 AM
Dave doesn't know what he's talking about. I thought Joe's Mega Man song was great!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 12, 2016, 05:15:47 AM
Awesome episode as usual gents, can't wait for the next one. Lagrange Point should be mentioned as I'm a sucker for weird music. :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on June 12, 2016, 07:42:09 AM
Good to see some other games mentioned instead of going for the usual games known for great music!

Gauntlet sounds indeed awesome. The Genesis sure has some pleasant surprises in its musical department.

If you happen to own some computer games where you think they've got impressive soundtracks, I wouldn't mind if you incorporate them into a follow-up video. The era from the late DOS to early Windows games has some catchy non-CD based music, be it MIDI (Leisure Suit Larry 6) or MOD/tracker (e.g. Unreal Tournament) stuff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 12, 2016, 09:18:20 PM
Quote
But when you go from some poor 8bit Nes stuff (granted some is good) to a full featured redbook cd-audio it's really hard to go back.

That's absurd. Why limit yourself? I like music regardless of if real instruments create it or chiptunes create it. Good music is good music. And I like a lot of music (except country and probably current mainstream pop).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on June 13, 2016, 05:57:13 AM
Quote
But when you go from some poor 8bit Nes stuff (granted some is good) to a full featured redbook cd-audio it's really hard to go back.
I felt this way back in the day, including when CD games would use chiptunes for most of the music.

 Times have changed and I've learned to appreciate those old chiptunes again, with nes right along side CD red book stuffs.

 There are even some nice stereo mod hacks of NES sound tracks. I would love it if someone would have an audio upgrade for the NES, and have the options for stereo separation, reverb (not snes style), bass enhancement, etc. Same for PCE as well (add a choice for filtering on the waveforms, bass boost, etc).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on June 13, 2016, 06:45:56 AM
Even good chiptunes with poor sound are great.

The only kind that age poorly for me are SNES-style sample based sound. Even some of the sample shifting mixed into early Neo Geo games can bring down the music when it gets derpy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on June 13, 2016, 10:48:12 AM
This was a great episode. I hope there are many more of these awesome music eps. I liked the inclusion of GoT & LoT (of course)- Made my nips hard.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 13, 2016, 11:42:44 PM
This was a great episode. I hope there are many more of these awesome music eps. I liked the inclusion of GoT & LoT (of course)- Made my nips hard.

Game Sack.
Hard Nipples.
Stephen Baldwin.
For.
The.
Win.
Dirty.
Blonde.
Hairy.
Areola.
Game.
Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on June 15, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
Such a great episode; I agree with pretty much every selection (except Ecco...). I was especially impressed with the inclusion of Thunder Force II. Although I still feel Thunder Force III has the best soundtrack in the series, the second one doesn't get a lot of love, so it's definitely appreciated you guys giving it a spotlight.

I also agree that it's very hard to pick favorite tunes in Lords of Thunder, as they are all so good. It is one of the most consistently strong soundtracks of any game ever.

Speaking of consistently strong soundtracks, I think I've heard you guys use some tunes from Virtual On in some of your past episodes, so I would be so happy if you include it in a future part of this series. It's such a great, catchy soundtrack, with a good set of 7-8 tunes that are all of equal quality. It's also one of those games I was never really ever to get into, but still played it (both in the Saturn and my cd player) just for the tunes!

Again, great episode, like pretty much all of your episodes. Thank you for doing such high quality work!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on June 18, 2016, 06:20:54 AM
Great Episode, I am curious if they were limiting themselves to 8 and 16 bit consoles though?

I mean, most of the games that were cd based in this generation had incredible music I thought. But when you go from some poor 8bit Nes stuff (granted some is good) to a full featured redbook cd-audio it's really hard to go back.

But then I just end right back at Ys 1&2 because this is one of the first games on CD I ever heard and I was immediately blown away until I heard Gate of Thunder that also came with my TurboDuo. I really couldn't get enough of either one of them at the time.


You just need the right guy doing the music

(http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/images/1/1a/Tim_Follin_-_1.jpg)

Give him something like this.
(http://www.youbioit.com/files/newimages/2/16/generationy190.jpg)

Expect this game to have a cute whimsical opening.

No, Follin don't care, he'll set the atmosphere to awesome and give you this.




Even when you go 1-bit. Follin don't care, he don't give a shit about limitations.


And when a game is cancelled by the publisher. Follin don't care, it doesn't stop his music
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 18, 2016, 09:36:48 AM
VERY Impressed with the Sega Genesis Version of Gauntlet 4.  I have to get that game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Speedy on June 18, 2016, 01:51:34 PM
You just need the right guy doing the music

(http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/images/1/1a/Tim_Follin_-_1.jpg)


Glad to see someone mention Tim Follin, the dude is absolutely godly. Has he ever made a bad soundtrack? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on June 21, 2016, 10:44:28 AM
Hitoshi Sakimoto's Gauntlet IV music is some of the best tunage ever!  À propos: guy who made Gauntlet III's music?  Tim Follin.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on June 25, 2016, 09:53:15 PM


Beat ya Tron
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on June 26, 2016, 07:16:19 AM
I've never heard anything by Tim Follin that I've liked. He's good at manipulating sounds, but it's all beat-based European style music that feels so out of place in most games and I'm is not within my taste in general. There is some European game music that I like, but all of Follin's stuff is the sound equivalent of the visuals in one of those demo scene tech demos. I still find it impressive, but I'm more impressed by great compositions with poor sound usage.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on June 26, 2016, 01:05:30 PM
He's good at manipulating sounds, but it's all beat-based European style music...

I really disagree.  Most of his stuff has unusual or varied time signatures because he's heavily inspired by classic and progressive rock, NOT the Eurovision song winners of whatever year.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 26, 2016, 02:11:16 PM
I've never heard anything by Tim Follin that I've liked. He's good at manipulating sounds, but it's all beat-based European style music that feels so out of place in most games and I'm is not within my taste in general. There is some European game music that I like, but all of Follin's stuff is the sound equivalent of the visuals in one of those demo scene tech demos. I still find it impressive, but I'm more impressed by great compositions with poor sound usage.

Officially crazy = Black_Tiger

You may not like his stuff, but to say that they are not "great compositions" are fighting words.

:)

Seriously.

I find it hilarious when folks try to dismiss entire swaths of utterly fantastic music by merely labeling it "European", whilst having an orgasm over equally banal tripe from a Japanese or American composer.

The Terminator (Sega CD) = BUTT ROCK (Tallarico)
Final Fantasy VII = lame, just like the tunes from the entire series.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 26, 2016, 05:30:30 PM
Butt Rock came in the mid-to-late 90's. Terminator CD was much too early to be proper Butt Rock. Of course there's no official definition of what Butt Rock actually is I don't think.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on June 26, 2016, 06:59:46 PM
I tell you who also did great music, still does, David Wise.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 27, 2016, 12:53:28 AM
Butt Rock came in the mid-to-late 90's. Terminator CD was much too early to be proper Butt Rock. Of course there's no official definition of what Butt Rock actually is I don't think.

Sega CD Terminator = BUTT ROCK = highly derivative Muzak (not a typo) that dim-witted apes (human males) "listen to" (passively, with occasional, unthinking head nods and grimaces) whilst guzzling down Budweiser and talking about tits-n-ass.

:)

Surely you understand this...and it certainly isn't as controversial as condemning all "European music".

However, I will add that 99% of all Japanese RPGs and horse-racing simulations feature shite Muzak.

:)

100% trüe storie.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 27, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
Well then Lords of Thunder = Butt Rock.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 27, 2016, 09:57:36 AM
Well then Lords of Thunder = Butt Rock.

It's slightly better than average butt rock.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on June 27, 2016, 10:06:54 AM
Well then Lords of Thunder = Butt Rock.

Speaking of butts, when will the fart return to the gamesack intro?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 27, 2016, 10:36:14 AM
Well then Lords of Thunder = Butt Rock.

Speaking of butts, when will the fart return to the gamesack intro?

Seriously!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 27, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Honestly it might come back for a one-off in some random episode but never permanently.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 28, 2016, 12:10:50 AM
Honestly it might come back for a one-off in some random episode but never permanently.

I know it was juvenile, but there was something charming about it, too.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on June 28, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
I've never heard anything by Tim Follin that I've liked. He's good at manipulating sounds, but it's all beat-based European style music that feels so out of place in most games and I'm is not within my taste in general. There is some European game music that I like, but all of Follin's stuff is the sound equivalent of the visuals in one of those demo scene tech demos. I still find it impressive, but I'm more impressed by great compositions with poor sound usage.

Officially crazy = Black_Tiger

You may not like his stuff, but to say that they are not "great compositions" are fighting words.

:)

Seriously.

I find it hilarious when folks try to dismiss entire swaths of utterly fantastic music by merely labeling it "European", whilst having an orgasm over equally banal tripe from a Japanese or American composer.

The Terminator (Sega CD) = BUTT ROCK (Tallarico)
Final Fantasy VII = lame, just like the tunes from the entire series.

:)


I said that I don't like it, not that it's bad.

There are many PC Engine soundtracks with good or effective music, but the sound aren't special or are crude by PCE standards.

The only reason I use a description like "European" is because I have the same reaction and feelings when listening to and hearing so many European games soundtracks from the 8 and 16-bit generation and European games seem to most often features soundtracks which felt completely out of place in their games. I also don't like arpeggio in general, but the odd time I do it's been in Japanese games.

Whether anyone likes or dislikes the music is idependent of all that. When North American and Japanese composers produce similar music and sounds that give me the same feeling, it also makes me think of European games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on June 28, 2016, 04:06:22 AM
I really enjoyed the most recent video.  Nice to see some more Tomb Raider gameplay.  One of my favorite game series of all time.  The original is still in my top ten games of all time (and I'm in the middle of another play through - just made it to the last level last night).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on June 28, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
someone should reboot Greendog.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on June 28, 2016, 05:22:05 PM
http://youtu.be/iy_tOU8ul8U

I got to watch this episode last week and was pleased to see Joe appreciated the Gate of Thunder soundtrack as much as I did. Almost all the tracks were recorded to tape for listening in my car (along with Ys and some FF) BITD which I've mentioned around here in the past.

If I could do Youtube videos, this comes very close to the kind of tribute I would've liked to have done for this game. Nice touch in pointing out how a Duran Duran member and his friend Nick Wood were behind this "Syn Sound Design" company and what led to one of the greatest soundtracks in videogame history! It's too bad they didn't do more soundtracks for videogames though!

I actually shared Gate of Thunder with at least one neighbor/friend a few years after I bought my Turbo Duo in the late 90's. In knowing that system was an underdog, I wanted it to get a bit more love outside of myself. Anyway, it's cool these games live on past their plastic prisons and can be obtained for all nowadays.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on June 28, 2016, 05:35:36 PM
someone should reboot Greendog.
I HATED that game.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 30, 2016, 03:37:15 AM
I've never heard anything by Tim Follin that I've liked. He's good at manipulating sounds, but it's all beat-based European style music that feels so out of place in most games and I'm is not within my taste in general. There is some European game music that I like, but all of Follin's stuff is the sound equivalent of the visuals in one of those demo scene tech demos. I still find it impressive, but I'm more impressed by great compositions with poor sound usage.


Officially crazy = Black_Tiger

You may not like his stuff, but to say that they are not "great compositions" are fighting words.

:)

Seriously.

I find it hilarious when folks try to dismiss entire swaths of utterly fantastic music by merely labeling it "European", whilst having an orgasm over equally banal tripe from a Japanese or American composer.

The Terminator (Sega CD) = BUTT ROCK (Tallarico)
Final Fantasy VII = lame, just like the tunes from the entire series.

:)



I said that I don't like it, not that it's bad.

There are many PC Engine soundtracks with good or effective music, but the sound aren't special or are crude by PCE standards.

The only reason I use a description like "European" is because I have the same reaction and feelings when listening to and hearing so many European games soundtracks from the 8 and 16-bit generation and European games seem to most often features soundtracks which felt completely out of place in their games. I also don't like arpeggio in general, but the odd time I do it's been in Japanese games.

Whether anyone likes or dislikes the music is idependent of all that. When North American and Japanese composers produce similar music and sounds that give me the same feeling, it also makes me think of European games.


What a reasonable, logical response to my incendiary trolling. 

:)

Anyway, since I still want to start a fight, I will simply point out that your ANTI-ARPEGGIO stance = UNACCEPTABLE.

I am too lazy to go into a rant now, but I know I must have some old rant I can copy-n-paste from years ago.

Ok.

Seriously, though, I want to be your therapist and try to understand where your Arpeggio Phobia came from. Surely, some traumatic gaming event has been repressed.

PM me.

:)


 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/Ebert_Siskel_OBEY_arpeggio.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gentlegamer on June 30, 2016, 04:37:49 AM
I'm ignorant, is arpeggio the type of music common in C=64 games?
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on June 30, 2016, 09:03:05 AM
I'm ignorant, is arpeggio the type of music common in C=64 games?

It's a technique that composers/musicians can use...sadly the ANTARP coalition has been spreading FUD about arpeggios in general (and in relation to C64/SID in particular)...

:)

In case you didn't realize, THIS IS WAR.

Not really. I was just trying to mess with B_T and the rest of the ANTARP coalition.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on June 30, 2016, 05:19:41 PM
Wait, people are actually anti-arpegio?  Are they modernistic 12 tone bastards that don't understand classical composition and instead choose ear-grating garbage?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 30, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
I wouldn't say  that I fall into the anti-arpegio camp, but I feel that they can be overused very easily. On ancient videogame hardware it can create kind of a displeasing sound when every note is arped. The Flash for the Master System jumps to mind. I don't remember the music specifically, but I remember not liking it at all. Arping sounds better on medium and lower notes than it does high notes, that's for sure. Systems like the Master System can't do many low notes. Stuff like Golvellius sounds tons better than stuff like The Flash.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 02, 2016, 05:52:29 AM
In general, I dislike Arps. It's overuse in most 8bit Euro music for small home computers and SMS, it's super grating on the ear - no good. Like Joe said, there are some exceptions. When it isn't in your face "nothing but arps", then it's ok. And to be honest, outside of modern chiptunes emulating that old style, the NES euro musics seem to do it best (that arp usage is more subtle).

 Speaking of which. Impossamole sucks for a few reasons, but one of them is the ARP'd out sound track. Frankly, it's a down right disgusting use of the PCE soundchip.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 02, 2016, 06:28:56 AM
In general, I dislike Arps. It's overuse in most 8bit Euro music for small home computers and SMS, it's super grating on the ear - no good. Like Joe said, there are some exceptions. When it isn't in your face "nothing but arps", then it's ok. And to be honest, outside of modern chiptunes emulating that old style, the NES euro musics seem to do it best (that arp usage is more subtle).

 Speaking of which. Impossamole sucks for a few reasons, but one of them is the ARP'd out sound track. Frankly, it's a down right disgusting use of the PCE soundchip.

YOU.

CRAZY. 

:)

The Impossamole soundtrack is fantastic (the main tune, anyway....during the opening cinema, I have to listen to the rest of the stage music and get back to you... :).

And your anti-arp bias has been DULY NOTED. :)

A poor composition is a POOR COMPOSITION, and will remain so with or without arpeggio.

My heart breaks when I think about this topic :(

Every time an arpeggio sings, another angel gets his wings...

—Pliny the Elder
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on July 02, 2016, 09:28:51 AM
I like how Magical Chase and Somer Assault use them.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 02, 2016, 10:27:24 AM
I think they sound better on sound chips that are more fuzzy and buzzy like NES and PCE than ones with proper tones like SMS.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 02, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
Yeah, Magical Chase usage is pretty decent. I like it there. Solstice on the NES has arp usage too (title screen music), and while it's more pronounced - it still sounds decent. 

Edit: I don't heart arps in Some Assault.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on July 02, 2016, 11:59:21 AM
Joe, please define fuzzy, buzzy, and proper, by your reckoning.  Both the NES and SMS have 2 square wave channels which can sound identical.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 02, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
Joe, please define fuzzy, buzzy, and proper, by your reckoning.  Both the NES and SMS have 2 square wave channels which can sound identical.
Probably because the SMS only has 50% duty cycle, and no triangle waveform. The SMS already sounds harsh/same-y as it is.

 Edit: Somer Assault is the kind of PCE chipsound that I don't like. Thin/steel-y leads, coupled fat 50% duty square base. It sounds generic. I dunno.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on July 02, 2016, 01:51:47 PM
Somer Assault has one of those soundtracks that I like several tracks from and think the sound works for exactly that. Ninja Spirit is the same, but I don't like the sound in most other Irem PCE HuCards.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 02, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
Joe, please define fuzzy, buzzy, and proper, by your reckoning.  Both the NES and SMS have 2 square wave channels which can sound identical.

That's the best way I can describe NES and PCE sound. I haven't heard much from the NES that sounds like an SMS and certainly nothing from the SMS that sounds like the NES. Usually the NES sounds warmer with a more textured sound. There's not much to that texture, but it's just what I'd describe as fuzzy/buzzy instead of boopy and beepy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on July 02, 2016, 08:05:18 PM
OK, I'd call the SMS shrill, because it doesn't have a bassy triangle channel like the NES, and can't go into low octaves.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 02, 2016, 08:30:45 PM
The word "shrill" to me means unpleasantly piercing, with the emphasis on "unpleasant". I don't find the SMS sound unpleasant. Well, unless it's something like The Flash.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on July 03, 2016, 02:42:17 AM
The word "shrill" to me means unpleasantly piercing, with the emphasis on "unpleasant".

That's a good description of how most chip sound arpeggio feels to me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 03, 2016, 04:01:35 AM
I had a nice post and lost it. I hate my life.

Good deeds are not rewarded.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 03, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
When you lose something it always turns up in the last place you look for some weird reason. So maybe try looking in the last place first.
Title: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 03, 2016, 08:35:43 AM
When you lose something it always turns up in the last place you look for some weird reason. So maybe try looking in the last place first.

I think my draft was saved, but in replying to your post, I f*cked-up and deleted it.

So, you actually were correct, and I am doubly a f*cktard.

I f*cking hate my life.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on July 03, 2016, 08:45:15 AM
I went to look for the keys to my house inside an antarctic research station and now I'm stuck in this stupid place without fuel for my snowmobile. Thanks Joe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on July 03, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
When you lose something it always turns up in the last place you look for some weird reason. So maybe try looking in the last place first.

I had a girlfriend who was always misplacing things and would always yell across the house or phone to ask me where something might be. Even though my answer was always the same and I was always right: under her butt. Each time she would begin to complain while discreetly looking anyway and when she found it her response was always the same: "f*ck you".
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on July 03, 2016, 09:01:50 AM
Go arpeggio crazy with an Amiga.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on July 03, 2016, 11:56:50 AM
Go arpeggio crazy with an Amiga.
No need for arpeggios: you can sample chords.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 03, 2016, 05:11:26 PM
Arpeggios are for uncultured European swine! LOL
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 03, 2016, 06:44:47 PM
Arpeggios are for uncultured European swine! LOL

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on July 03, 2016, 09:29:04 PM
Arpeggios are for uncultured European swine! LOL

I'm sorry to say it, but regarding retro consoles with PSG-type sound chips, (North-)Americans of that era can't speak from any position of superiority.  LOLOLOL
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on July 03, 2016, 09:33:26 PM
Chip arpeggios for life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt4KwO_lLQ
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Punch on July 03, 2016, 11:23:25 PM
Euro chiptunes > US chiptunes. A regra é clara.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 04, 2016, 05:34:14 AM
Oh, I'm in no way defending any of the US chiptunes. JP chiptunes all the way.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 04, 2016, 05:38:35 AM
Chip arpeggios for life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt4KwO_lLQ
That's not what we're referring to when we say arpeggios. Euro Arps: not enough channels to make real chords, so play whatever chord composition as single notes super-super-super fast and hope no one knows the difference ;>_>
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgAwrDKwASQ or more clearly this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvpCzHNQV2U (at the end of the video).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 04, 2016, 08:08:51 PM
Chip arpeggios for life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt4KwO_lLQ

There are no arps in that chip tune. Also it has been turned into stereo. I dislike it when people do that to NES stuffs.

EDIT: Tom beat me to it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on July 05, 2016, 04:49:25 AM
Chip arpeggios for life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt4KwO_lLQ
That's not what we're referring to when we say arpeggios. Euro Arps: not enough channels to make real chords, so play whatever chord composition as single notes super-super-super fast and hope no one knows the difference ;>_>
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgAwrDKwASQ or more clearly this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvpCzHNQV2U (at the end of the video).

What's the difference between that last one and the arp-sounding parts of the Somer Assault soundtrack?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on July 05, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
What's the difference between that last one and the arp-sounding parts of the Somer Assault soundtrack?

If you mean the effects in Songs #11 and 12 (ending), I don't know the proper term for it, but it's rapidly cutting the volume of the sound channel really quickly.  One might call it a trill or hard tremolo, but probably not arpeggio...

(http://chrismcovell.com/images/SomerAssaultTrill.gif)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on July 06, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
One might call it a trill or hard tremolo, but probably not arpeggio...

 Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 06, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
Now what's this about mark from cgr being on the next game sack bluray !?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on July 06, 2016, 02:01:13 PM
Now what's this about mark from cgr being on the next game sack bluray !?
http://youtu.be/QLs4TjM7DFE


Clearly Metal Jesus, Alpha Omega, Game Grumps, Pat, Ian, Frank, retro liberty, game chasers, pet dore, happy video game nerd, happy console gamer, my life in gaming, phonedork, and all the rest couldn't make it for the bluray.


So it was Mark or Nulley.


Thank goodness Mark was available.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 06, 2016, 05:07:32 PM

Clearly Metal Jesus, Alpha Omega, Game Grumps, Pat, Ian, Frank, retro liberty, game chasers, pet dore, happy video game nerd, happy console gamer, my life in gaming, phonedork, and all the rest couldn't make it for the bluray.


So it was Mark or Nulley.


Thank goodness Mark was available.

Nope. Mark was my first choice. I had two other choices, none of which are on that list.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on July 07, 2016, 06:24:12 PM
From episode 134 if anyone was looking for a copy

Shui Hu Feng Yun Zhuan
http://www.ebay.com/itm/232004798930

Also in addition to the game above I grabbed these two recommendations

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Enternal/IMG_20160705_040757_zpsrtbsfxjs.jpg)

Daytona was 3 at a flea market, I just had the regular one

Astro Boy was 35. I played through it in two sessions, wonderful game.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on July 09, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqfnreKMPE8
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 09, 2016, 11:32:29 PM
Wow. What? Dixie Kong's Double Dong?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 10, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
For any one that that wants to watch it on here instead.
When i bought one again i instead went with a sfc i just prefer it's design more over to a snes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 10, 2016, 10:59:04 AM
Wow. What? Dixie Kong's Double Dong?

haha I thought I was just hearing things.. There were a few script errors in this episode, seemed a little sloppy but when you have a long video like this some things will sneak through I guess
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on July 10, 2016, 02:28:04 PM
For any one that that wants to watch it on here instead.
http://youtu.be/RqfnreKMPE8
When i bought one again i instead went with a sfc i just prefer it's design more over to a snes.

Ah man, that's why I love Joe. He used his monster truck announcer voice talents to do a boxing/wrestling ring announcer voice while enacting a mock Nintendo console battle of the ages (for the end bonus)! :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 10, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
For any one that that wants to watch it on here instead.
http://youtu.be/RqfnreKMPE8
When i bought one again i instead went with a sfc i just prefer it's design more over to a snes.

Ah man, that's why I love Joe. He used his monster truck announcer voice talents to do a boxing/wrestling ring announcer voice while enacting a mock Nintendo console battle of the ages (for the end bonus)! :lol:

Heh he did tell it like a wrestling match poor snes it got piled driver by the sfc  :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 11, 2016, 10:02:38 AM
Wow. What? Dixie Kong's Double Dong?

haha I thought I was just hearing things.. There were a few script errors in this episode, seemed a little sloppy but when you have a long video like this some things will sneak through I guess

That wasn't a script error that was intentional.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Sarumaru on July 11, 2016, 10:29:30 AM
Wow. What? Dixie Kong's Double Dong?

haha I thought I was just hearing things.. There were a few script errors in this episode, seemed a little sloppy but when you have a long video like this some things will sneak through I guess

That wasn't a script error that was intentional.

Me and a couple friends were watching this, we lol'd @Dixie Kong's Double Dong. From now on, that title will have no other name.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 11, 2016, 12:28:52 PM
Wow. What? Dixie Kong's Double Dong?

haha I thought I was just hearing things.. There were a few script errors in this episode, seemed a little sloppy but when you have a long video like this some things will sneak through I guess

That wasn't a script error that was intentional.

Me and a couple friends were watching this, we lol'd @Dixie Kong's Double Dong. From now on, that title will have no other name.
Now say that five times fast  :wink: :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on July 11, 2016, 01:22:54 PM
Well, the 2nd game, "Diddy's Kong Quest" has a similarly suggestive ring to it, when you think about who his sidekick is...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 11, 2016, 08:22:29 PM
From what I know from old Club Nintendo magazines, Diddy's Kong Quest was originally meant to be named either Diddy Kong's Quest or Diddy's Conquest. They even provided beta screenshots of the title screen.

By the way, Joe and Dave, you're pretty good at making a 40 minute show entertaining for the whole runtime. Who else can do that? I don't know! If I watch a lengthy EEVBlog video, I usually doze off after 20 minutes, just as I do when playing Animal Crossing for more than 1 hour.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on July 12, 2016, 04:54:41 AM
Obviously Joe and Dave are practicing for a new updated Obey special. No one cares if they screw up with Nintendo trash.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on July 12, 2016, 06:12:35 AM
Obviously Joe and Dave are practicing for a new updated Obey special. No one cares if they screw up with Nintendo trash.

EXACTLY!!

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on July 23, 2016, 07:21:23 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on July 24, 2016, 03:20:47 AM
Battletoads "overrated"?! BLASPHEMY!!! UNSUBBED!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Desh on July 24, 2016, 06:01:38 AM
Another awesome video Joe, this is my favorite topic you guys talk about.  I can't believe someone actually talked about World Driver Championship on N64.  It is the definitive racing game on the console in my opinion.  Dave may have had a hard time with the controls but most fans of sim racers will feel right at home.  The point of the crappy handling characteristics on the early cars is the fact that they are indeed crappier cars.  The cars you earn do start handling better but, they also go faster so your braking points on most tracks are still largely similar.  While it doesn't have near the depth of Gran Turismo 1 or 2, it is still one of my favorites of the day.  Thank you for mentioning it! 

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on July 24, 2016, 06:50:00 PM
Great episode as always. Placing WDC after F-Zero is a bit funny, since it makes the game look daaaaamn slow in comparison. Still, I appreciate the effort in picking out an N64 game for this episode, especially since it is one that might have gone under the radar due to being released late in the console's lifespan.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 02, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
Lately there lp for final bosses are being put on there yt channel.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 06, 2016, 07:11:40 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on August 08, 2016, 05:49:33 AM
http://youtu.be/XOKzMa6lwxY


Awesome episode. When i was a child I really didn't get anything a launch day, but either a few months, later. I think the first console i got on my own at launch was the Wii. Camped out at target for about 10 hours to get it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 08, 2016, 12:36:22 PM
http://youtu.be/XOKzMa6lwxY


Awesome episode. When i was a child I really didn't get anything a launch day, but either a few months, later. I think the first console i got on my own at launch was the Wii. Camped out at target for about 10 hours to get it.

The only console i ever bought at launch was the dreamcast.With the modern ones i find it better to just wait a year or so instead.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on August 09, 2016, 01:02:48 AM
Even with all of Joe's editing magic and skill, he can't make 5th gen poly's look good nowdays...ouch.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on August 09, 2016, 01:42:51 AM
Of all the consoles I got close to launch...I got...a......*drumroll*.....Vita....

Typically I'm a cheapass too so I don't know what came over me at the time. In comparison I waited around 3 years each for 360 and PS3. Got used bundles on both and the consoles didn't end up costing much at all. Still don't have an XBone or PS4.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on August 09, 2016, 08:22:16 AM
Even with all of Joe's editing magic and skill, he can't make 5th gen poly's look good nowdays...ouch.

5th gen graphics have certainly aged worse than just about any generation since gen 2. 

Great gameplay is the only thing that saves games from that era. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Zero_Gamer on August 10, 2016, 03:34:17 AM
Only console I've bought at launch is the 360. Waited in line for 12hrs at wally world.

After the RROD debacle, it will remain the only console I buy at launch too.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on August 10, 2016, 04:25:28 AM
It's a shame that they focused so much on 3D that gen (but I get it, and games were evolving) because 2D on the Saturn looks great.

@Zerogamer: I agree, there are not many benefits to being an early adopter. Pay more, have less selection when you buy it and possibly (especially lately) have poor build quality. Thankfully Sony moved on from the original model PS3 pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on August 10, 2016, 04:50:37 PM
It's a shame that they focused so much on 3D that gen (but I get it, and games were evolving) because 2D on the Saturn looks great.

2D also looked great on the playstation.  Off the top of my head, take another look at Megaman X games, Symphony of the Night, Lowmax, Legend of Mana.

Yeah if you compare Saturn to PS1, the 2D is better on Saturn as a general rule (lol SotN).  Capcom and SNK fighters are pretty good examples of this.  But just because Saturn looks better doesn't mean that PS1 didn't still look good.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on August 11, 2016, 12:16:47 AM
Oh I wasn't meaning to slam the PS1 or anything. I just haven't played any PS1 games in a long time so I wasn't thinking about anything on it whereas I still play Saturn pretty regularly so it's fresh on my mind. Oddly enough, I think the last game I played through on PS1 was in fact SOTN.

So you got me thinking, Adventures of Lomax looks pretty cool. So I strolled over to Ebay and noooooooooope.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on August 11, 2016, 07:22:28 AM
Jesus!  I wanted it for a long while and finally bit the bullet and bought it a year ago for I think $35.  The $200 sales HAVE to be shills.  Multiple copies still being sold for $50 while before and after said copies are $200+?  Call me a conspiracy theorist if you must but I don't think that's how this works in a fair economy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on August 11, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
Yeah I refuse to pay those prices. Fortunately, there seems to be a PC version that is cheap. Feels like price fixing to me too, and I don't often think that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on August 20, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on August 21, 2016, 02:43:35 PM
http://youtu.be/xQ3-KkhNGGs

This episode was a nice diversion from the normal themed episodes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on August 22, 2016, 04:06:00 AM
I do love that Alpha Denshi T-shirt of yours, Joe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nightkidzero13 on August 23, 2016, 03:55:34 AM
the new video on game backlog was amazing, maybe a continuation down that path or bring random battle back? either way I still watch all the episodes you put up
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 03, 2016, 07:24:12 PM
Game Sack Left in Japan 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpMV2ZsVm8
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 04, 2016, 02:18:15 PM
Never seen that Nanatsu Kaze game for Saturn looks really nice.  I think I'll give it a try at some point.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on September 04, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Never seen that Nanatsu Kaze game for Saturn looks really nice.  I think I'll give it a try at some point.


Very pretty game. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on September 05, 2016, 05:42:22 PM
Latest back in japan episode was good, zoomed right by. That Saturn game does look neat.

I almost thumbed it down for lack of PCE, but naw.

Don't hit me Joe :(


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 05, 2016, 06:05:42 PM
Never seen that Nanatsu Kaze game for Saturn looks really nice.  I think I'll give it a try at some point.
It does look interesting it be some thing if it did have a fan translation.Yeah joe mention it's being look at so maybe it will happen.When it came to 2D man did the saturn excel at it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 06, 2016, 06:37:45 AM
Never seen that Nanatsu Kaze game for Saturn looks really nice.  I think I'll give it a try at some point.
It does look interesting it be some thing if it did have a fan translation.Yeah joe mention it's being look at so maybe it will happen.When it came to 2D man did the saturn excel at it.

 :lol:

Maybe someday I'll learn to actually read what I write before I hit the post button.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 06, 2016, 07:53:31 AM
The sport animation and detail was jaw dropping. Granted it might be more fun to look at then play as Joe said.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on September 06, 2016, 12:24:32 PM
My dinner themed well with the episode.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Enternal/IMG_20160904_205058_zpslatmioyf.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on September 06, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Joe mentioned twice about Gamesack coming to an end, is that a scheduled thing or was he just joking?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 08, 2016, 01:28:51 PM
I keep forgetting the YouTube/creator Chanel "Final Boss" which is seperate from the YouTube accounts.


Took a look at it today due to Twitter post regarding Joe's transformers review.

Went down a rabbit hole and watched the transformer movie review as well.


So Joe. Will you do a supplemental review over the new bluray release of the film that has cleaned up animation?  It's set to release in October. I know I have my copy pre-ordered.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 08, 2016, 01:35:03 PM
Joe mentioned twice about Gamesack coming to an end, is that a scheduled thing or was he just joking?


I think in the contex of the video it is a joke.


My predictions of the "future" of game sack?


I think they will rebrand under one company with their YouTube friends/partners in the "Final Boss" domain they have.


In part to combine viewers and make more ad money.

But I believe the following may also be a factor

1). They won't be under YouTube fair use thumb.

2). They can better promote and advertise their content, merch, and annual appearances to conventions. Thus allowing better content for their videos as well. Like when Game Chaser went to Norway for a game convention along with Pat the NES Punk

3). Videos could be longer (granted on average you already make 20-30 minute videos. How much longer could they be?).


This is all pulled out of my ass.  And in part what I might do. Granted I do not preten to know how the business end of content creators on YouTube and such work. Let alone on a seperate site that you have to pay server space to house your videos.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on September 08, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
My dinner themed well with the episode.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Enternal/IMG_20160904_205058_zpslatmioyf.jpg)


 What.. no sushi, only rolls!?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: johnnykonami on September 08, 2016, 06:08:45 PM
Has there been an episode on digitally downloaded retro games that feature translations for the first time?  Monster World IV (I mean, officially, I'm of course aware of the fan translation), Earthbound Zero, Radiant Silvergun, etc.?  I like supporting this kind of work, it's some of the only games I will buy like this rather than trying to get the original.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 08, 2016, 06:10:32 PM

So Joe. Will you do a supplemental review over the new bluray release of the film that has cleaned up animation?  It's set to release in October. I know I have my copy pre-ordered.


I might review the Blu-ray. Not a bad idea! I have mine pre-ordered and it is taking forever and a day to release itself.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on September 09, 2016, 12:48:56 PM

So Joe. Will you do a supplemental review over the new bluray release of the film that has cleaned up animation?  It's set to release in October. I know I have my copy pre-ordered.


I might review the Blu-ray. Not a bad idea! I have mine pre-ordered and it is taking forever and a day to release itself.

Speaking of blu-ray's is a volume 2 for GameSack in the works? Also I noticed your videos are on Amazon Prime.. have they been up there for awhile? I was shocked to see the PS2 episode when I was looking for a movie to watch :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 10, 2016, 09:21:06 PM
Yes I am actually building Volume 2 to the hard drive for final testing as I type this. All goes well it can be sent off to the factory for replication. It's really packed full this time. Last one had like 3GB free space. This one has maybe 49 MB free space.

Yeah I put the videos on Amazon when they started offering their program. They pay you. I got my first payment a few days ago. $1.11. Looking at mansions tomorrow.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on September 11, 2016, 12:06:09 AM
You know what they say, money changes you. Stay humble man.  :lol:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 11, 2016, 06:27:28 AM
So what does that amazons prime money come out to in rupees?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on September 12, 2016, 03:23:17 AM
Yes I am actually building Volume 2 to the hard drive for final testing as I type this. All goes well it can be sent off to the factory for replication. It's really packed full this time. Last one had like 3GB free space. This one has maybe 49 MB free space.

Yeah I put the videos on Amazon when they started offering their program. They pay you. I got my first payment a few days ago. $1.11. Looking at mansions tomorrow.
I searched for some Gamesack videos on my Amazon Firestick, but it showed no results.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: sirhcman on September 12, 2016, 03:53:09 AM
Yes I am actually building Volume 2 to the hard drive for final testing as I type this. All goes well it can be sent off to the factory for replication. It's really packed full this time. Last one had like 3GB free space. This one has maybe 49 MB free space.

Yeah I put the videos on Amazon when they started offering their program. They pay you. I got my first payment a few days ago. $1.11. Looking at mansions tomorrow.
I searched for some Gamesack videos on my Amazon Firestick, but it showed no results.

Only two I saw:

https://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-2-Game-Sack/dp/B01IX073LC/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1473691957&sr=1-1&keywords=Joe+Redifer

https://www.amazon.com/Lets-Make-Youtube-Show-Game/dp/B01FIGL11W/ref=sr_1_2?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1473691957&sr=1-2&keywords=Joe+Redifer
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on September 12, 2016, 03:59:51 AM
Yes I am actually building Volume 2 to the hard drive for final testing as I type this. All goes well it can be sent off to the factory for replication. It's really packed full this time. Last one had like 3GB free space. This one has maybe 49 MB free space.

Yeah I put the videos on Amazon when they started offering their program. They pay you. I got my first payment a few days ago. $1.11. Looking at mansions tomorrow.
I searched for some Gamesack videos on my Amazon Firestick, but it showed no results.

Only two I saw:

https://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-2-Game-Sack/dp/B01IX073LC/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1473691957&sr=1-1&keywords=Joe+Redifer

https://www.amazon.com/Lets-Make-Youtube-Show-Game/dp/B01FIGL11W/ref=sr_1_2?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1473691957&sr=1-2&keywords=Joe+Redifer
I'm going to give those a watch. If Joe gets that mansion maybe he'll let us come over and be in an episode of Playing With (ball)Sacks.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 13, 2016, 07:51:56 AM
Yeah those are the only two up there. Subtitles are a requirement and I don't like doing subtitles as they're a pain. I don't mind if others do them though.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on September 15, 2016, 03:48:55 AM
Joe, I found this while browsing Amazon.de:

(https://abload.de/img/joeb2q35.gif) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=joeb2q35.gif)

Source: https://www.amazon.de/ALCI-ACOSTA-EXITOS-AYER-SIEMPRE/dp/B01EGQOLM6/
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on September 15, 2016, 08:25:20 AM
That's weird. Really weird. You click on it and it changes to Joe Reiter. I attribute it to Amazon messing up somehow and confusing it with the Game Sack blu-ray.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 15, 2016, 08:29:38 AM
That's weird. Really weird. You click on it and it changes to Joe Reiter. I attribute it to Amazon messing up somehow and confusing it with the Game Sack blu-ray.

I think we should all watch that movie, nonetheless, in honor of Game Sack.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on September 17, 2016, 07:06:34 PM
Game Sack-Games That Make Consoles Look wEaK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPa9uQBhGEk
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on September 17, 2016, 11:31:26 PM
Game Sack-Games That Make Consoles Look wEaK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPa9uQBhGEk

Virtua Racing
And
Virtual Hydlide

were great. :)

I have to disagree with Athena...while the game is flawed/broken, it really does have a unique personality. The graphics/sprites/level design all scream FANTASTIC, only to be utterly sabotaged by the horrible controls and collision detection. Since this episode is *about* judging a book by its cover, Athena has decent aesthetics (I can think of a billion FC/NES games with far worse aesthetics).

BUT THAT's OK. :)

I would have defended the character designs in Super Pitfall NES, too. If I had too.

Then there is Chubby Cherub.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on September 18, 2016, 04:48:47 PM
I'm sure I'll get rotten tomatoes thrown at me, but I'm surprised Keith Courage wasn't mentioned or the PC Engine version of Lode Runner - The Lost Labyrinth. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on September 18, 2016, 06:09:09 PM
When I think of underwhelming games Altered Beast for PCE CD springs to mind instantly.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on September 19, 2016, 03:01:00 AM
Heh, Athena is pretty terrible. I can feel the sloooooth with Bebe's Kids. Fun video.

Lol the Virtual Hydlide bit. XD
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on September 19, 2016, 03:12:58 AM
When I think of underwhelming games Altered Beast for PCE CD springs to mind instantly.

I could see Golden Axe, but Altered Beast CD is much more whelming than the Genesis version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on September 25, 2016, 11:46:44 AM
Coming right off Final Fantasy 6 and playing Chrono Trigger as a kid I was underwhelmed. That's probably not a popular opinion though. Tecmo: Secret of the Stars is a graphically underwhelming game considering it came out the same year as Chrono Trigger.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 01, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on October 02, 2016, 03:33:52 AM
Instant cred for Napple Tale being included (presumably since I can see it on the image before I start the video, which I am just now watching). Loved that game.

Edit: Yes. Second game mentioned. I will say for anyone looking to get a retail copy of Napple Tale just be patient. The bins are high but if you wait for an auction, you can probably get it for $30 or less (iirc I paid $12 but had to replace the case). And yeah like he says, brush up on your Japanese or use a guide.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on October 02, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Joe were you sleeping during the Yoshi section?


Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on October 02, 2016, 12:52:36 PM
I didn't realize Yoshi's Wooly World was supposed to be like SMB2. I just figured it was another super easy kiddie game like Yoshi's Story. I guess I need to get another Wii U. After not playing it for a year, I sold it a few months ago.

Looks like I need to pick up a PS3 as well. That Puppeteer game looks amazing. The last time a new game piqued me interest like that was Shovel Knight two years ago.

PS: Thanks for this episode guys. I typically don't like the 2.5D, but you guys found some gems.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 15, 2016, 07:26:59 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 15, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
Fun video there are a few games on my radar I have yet to get and your video helped reminde me if that.


The video looked good. Did you capture it when that new HDMI mod that the N64 has now?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 15, 2016, 09:08:07 PM
No just RGB.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 16, 2016, 06:05:12 AM
No just RGB.

Makes me want to get my N64 RGB modded. One day.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on October 17, 2016, 06:10:01 AM
I am pretty surprised you guys did a second N64 episode. You guys must really love that system to do two episodes on a single console.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: khyron65 on October 17, 2016, 07:16:49 AM
I am pretty surprised you guys did a second N64 episode. You guys must really love that system to do two episodes on a single console.

This is Game Sacks first ever 4k youtube vid. Clearly they needed to re visit the N64 so we can clearly see all of its hi res graphical splendor!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: technozombie on October 17, 2016, 02:12:48 PM
Has there ever been an isometric game episode? I've been playing Light Crusader and the genre is on my mind.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on October 18, 2016, 02:02:11 PM
N64 has always been a mixed bag of grafx for me.  Some games just look great and some like ass.  Must be the way they stretchered textures on some games.  Wasn't there a fatal flaw on the system related to textures?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on October 18, 2016, 05:01:35 PM
Wasn't there a fatal flaw on the system related to textures?

4KB texture memory ... i.e. approx 64x64 pixels (really, less), and a relatively-long latency when changing the contents of texture memory.

Thus, the use as-far-as-possible, of simple repeating textures, or single-color Gouraud-shaded polys.

Sorry ... that's the simplest way that I can explain it (I suspect that Nintendo can't be bothered to enforce my NDA anymore).

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 18, 2016, 05:14:36 PM
Why would you have an NDA with Nintendo? That is most interesting.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on October 18, 2016, 05:27:53 PM
Why would you have an NDA with Nintendo? That is most interesting.

Errr ... I guess that you don't read a lot of the threads in the dev section here (where I normally post).

I was/am a "pro". I have active NDAs, with all of the console manufacturers, on most of the machines for the last 20+ years.

The PCE is actually one of the exceptions ... which works nicely, since it's also my personal-favorite machine.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on October 18, 2016, 05:31:14 PM
Why would you have an NDA with Nintendo? That is most interesting.

Surely you have played SNES PAL game entitled "Only Fools and Horses"?

It was a hybrid Paperboy clone + flea market sim based on the BBC show.

:)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 19, 2016, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: elmer
I was/am a "pro".
What is a "pro"?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on October 19, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: elmer
I was/am a "pro".
What is a "pro"?

Professional game programmer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on October 19, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: elmer
I was/am a "pro".
What is a "pro"?

Possibly really orgasmic.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Jibbajaba on October 19, 2016, 08:08:25 PM
Penetrate rear orifice.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on October 19, 2016, 11:26:09 PM
Prostitute. That's the reason for the NDA.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: elmer on October 20, 2016, 04:06:04 AM
Professional game programmer.

What I actually meant ...


Prostitute. That's the reason for the NDA.

... and exactly what it feels like to be whoring for development contracts from clueless idiots that believe that everyone should be willing to do unlimited and unpaid overtime for almost-all of a project just because the publisher wouldn't start it early enough.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on October 29, 2016, 08:51:29 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on October 29, 2016, 10:48:08 PM
Nice to see you covering Top Gear! *thumbs up*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on October 30, 2016, 03:29:01 AM
Ghen War is such trash.

No mention of Art of Fighting Anthology during the AoF 2 segment? That was quite cheap last I knew and not terrible.

Nice mention on Black. Most should be able to pick that up for a few bucks at a pawn shop.

Roller skating game looks totally raaaad.

Fun video.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Otaking on November 04, 2016, 06:10:05 AM
Game Sack on the list https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=21634
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on November 12, 2016, 06:21:05 PM



NO KUDOS 4 JOO!!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on November 12, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
So this is episode number 181 already? Amazing! Kudos to you, Joe and Dave!

To be honest, I had a hard time with Radiant Silvergun on the Xbox 360. I'll give it another try using the sword trick you guys taught us. I had no idea there was more to the sword than the obvious swinging.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on November 13, 2016, 12:31:21 AM
Heh I was getting on to post it here, but I see I gotta be quicker than that.  :-k

Watched it. Pretty good episode. Covers some damn fine games too. I have similar views on racing games actually, and the spine card comment made me laugh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 13, 2016, 02:26:50 AM
Sure it's been posted already.


Limbo did get a physical release.

PC

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n119/medic_wheat/Game Room/5EDD7F83-19D4-4916-A3B1-FD0BA8B1ACB6_zpsej2xufsn.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/medic_wheat/media/Game Room/5EDD7F83-19D4-4916-A3B1-FD0BA8B1ACB6_zpsej2xufsn.png.html)

REALLY CHEAP

360

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n119/medic_wheat/Game Room/06BEDCDB-F5B0-4D6B-A5F7-61A09C89491C_zpsnykq1iiz.png) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/medic_wheat/media/Game Room/06BEDCDB-F5B0-4D6B-A5F7-61A09C89491C_zpsnykq1iiz.png.html)

This is the copy I have. I didn't even know about the PC release until just now.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on November 15, 2016, 03:06:05 AM
Great video as usual, although I felt this would have been a great opportunity to talk about Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.  I know that you've talked about SOTC in a previous episode, but it was minimal enough to warrant another episode, and as far as I know, you've never talked about Ico.  I would love to hear your thoughts on that game some day. 

Also, I never bothered with Project Gotham Racing, but this video makes me want to give it a try. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on November 15, 2016, 03:08:40 AM

Limbo did get a physical release.


I was a little surprised at the way Dave worded that in the video, because I know that both Joe and Dave know about the physical release of Limbo, because it came up in one of their previous episodes.  They did an episode about games that SHOULD have received physical releases.  Limbo was included in that video, and the later corrected that when they realized that it got a physical release. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 15, 2016, 03:23:12 AM
Great video as usual, although I felt this would have been a great opportunity to talk about Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.  I know that you've talked about SOTC in a previous episode, but it was minimal enough to warrant another episode, and as far as I know, you've never talked about Ico.  I would love to hear your thoughts on that game some day. 

Also, I never bothered with Project Gotham Racing, but this video makes me want to give it a try.


Maybe they want tot ask about the games as a trilogy?  Seeing how the last guardian is finally beignets released. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on November 15, 2016, 03:35:55 AM
Great video as usual, although I felt this would have been a great opportunity to talk about Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.  I know that you've talked about SOTC in a previous episode, but it was minimal enough to warrant another episode, and as far as I know, you've never talked about Ico.  I would love to hear your thoughts on that game some day. 

Also, I never bothered with Project Gotham Racing, but this video makes me want to give it a try.


Maybe they want tot ask about the games as a trilogy?  Seeing how the last guardian is finally beignets released.

I could see that. 

And I wouldn't mind waiting either.  I would just love to see these games get some Game Sack screen time. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on November 15, 2016, 03:44:58 AM
Great video as usual, although I felt this would have been a great opportunity to talk about Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.  I know that you've talked about SOTC in a previous episode, but it was minimal enough to warrant another episode, and as far as I know, you've never talked about Ico.  I would love to hear your thoughts on that game some day. 

 
For some reason that game (Shadow of the Colossus) never quite clicked with me. Maybe time I revisit it.  :-k

I loved Ico, though. Right up there, for me, with the best games I've played on the PS2.
I know some folks hated the dragging/pulling mechanic between the characters. I didn't mind it at all.

Speaking of,

Found my game save.

Can't believe it's been that long since I last played it. Going to remedy that, pronto! :p



(http://i59.tinypic.com/jj1mqx.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on November 15, 2016, 03:50:25 AM
Great video as usual, although I felt this would have been a great opportunity to talk about Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.  I know that you've talked about SOTC in a previous episode, but it was minimal enough to warrant another episode, and as far as I know, you've never talked about Ico.  I would love to hear your thoughts on that game some day. 

For some reason that game (Shadow of the Colossus) never quite clicked with me. Maybe time I revisit it.  :-k

I loved Ico, though. Right up there, for me, with the best games I've played on the PS2.
I know some folks hated the dragging/pulling mechanic between the characters. I didn't mind it at all.

Speaking of,

Found my game save.

Can't believe it's been that long since I last played it. Going to remedy that, pronto! :p


While SOTC is easily in my top 10 games of all time, I still think Ico is the better game.  I've had a goal lately of trying to platinum trophy both games on the PS3.  Sadly, I don't think I'll ever finish the hard time trial mode on SOTC.  I can finish the game on hard no problem,  but not with the time limits.  I'm about to go back to Ico.  Only missing a few trophies there. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on November 26, 2016, 06:18:50 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on November 26, 2016, 11:12:26 PM
So many PS2/Xbox era hack n' slashes remastered in HD.  I just can't get into many of them outside of ICO/SoC.  Updating the framerates and resolution and boom!  Instant cash grab.

Meh.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on November 27, 2016, 01:46:07 AM
Well, I cheated and read the list of included games from your website before watching the video.  For obvious reasons, I'm super excited for this episode.  Probably won't have time to watch it until the evening, but I will be looking forward to it all day. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on November 27, 2016, 05:20:11 AM
It's really shitty that Capcom used the PS2 port to do the HD update of RE4. It has lower polygon count and has reduced lighting compared to the GC version. They should have used the GC one for the base upgrade, or better yet the Wii edition. It's one of the reasons I didn't bother getting the HD version.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: jtucci31 on November 27, 2016, 07:23:55 AM
Just a few days ago I beat Ico on the PS3 and loved it! In preparation for The Last Guardian I wanted to knock them both out and next up is SoC. I've wanted to play it for years and really can't wait to do so. The side-by-side comparisons really show the difference that the HD collection makes.

I've also been tempted to get RE 4, but these HD remastered are getting pretty crazy!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Groover on November 28, 2016, 04:14:04 AM
Another great video. I look forward to each one.

I am excited to play RE4 again. I want to ask about the control options. What control option on the PS4 works well for you? I played it a little and found the using a thumbstick to contol the camer and the other for movemnt uncomfortable. I'm thinking just removing the move camera with anolog stick all together. I haven't really played through this game since it was first on the GameCube. The PS3 rerelease I found disappointing as it seemed to be a port of the PS2 version.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: munchiaz on November 29, 2016, 03:47:48 AM
i fell asleep during the last episode
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on November 29, 2016, 04:20:01 AM
i fell asleep during the last episode

But your click on the video still counts as one view. So I'm sure Joe and Dave won't mind what you did afterwards. :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 29, 2016, 07:51:43 AM
Quote from: Groover
am excited to play RE4 again. I want to ask about the control options. What control option on the PS4 works well for you?

It was Xbox One but I don't remember what controller setting it was, exactly. Maybe the 3rd one? It still wasn't perfect.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 10, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on December 10, 2016, 08:57:54 PM
Those Blinx games look quite fun. I might pick those up.

Loved the thought process going on with the Duke at the end of the vid. lol

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on December 11, 2016, 04:22:37 AM
Those Blinx games look quite fun. I might pick those up.

Loved the thought process going on with the Duke at the end of the vid. lol

I've played through both. For a couple smackers each they are fun enough (should be very doable but I didn't check Ebay recently). Some mild glitches in me britches iirc.

More random thoughts and comments

You can also play Riddick on PS3, a remade version was included on the Dark Athena disc.

Crimson Skies is one of the best games you can get for a dollar reliably.

I have almost every game covered (all but 2), not sure what that says about me. Beat most of em too.

Voodoo Vince looks really cool, I'll keep my eyes peeled for that one. Just when I thought I had every random 3D action platformer on Xbox. I may just wait for the remaster.

I'm really loving Grabbed by the Ghoulies, I picked it up about a week ago.

Love the Burnout series, good shout.

Halo is great. Glad to see it mentioned.

Damn right we are playing Space Harrier and Hang-on too. I prefer the original audio though and love the Dreamcast version in general.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on December 18, 2016, 06:51:47 PM
Penetrate rear orifice.

lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on December 23, 2016, 06:09:10 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on December 24, 2016, 06:38:53 AM
Even before watching the vid, just from the vid title I kinda had the feeling PC Engine CD Golden Axe would be amongst that lot.  :P
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Enternal on December 24, 2016, 07:51:11 AM
The xbox end scene was good  :clap:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: EvilEvoIX on December 24, 2016, 08:50:33 AM
As always so good.  Makes me want Symphony of the Night.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on December 25, 2016, 12:16:08 AM
Even before watching the vid, just from the vid title I kinda had the feeling PC Engine CD Golden Axe would be amongst that lot.  :P

With exception to Tony Hawk I have experience with all of those.

With that said, I kept waiting for Pac-Man for 2600 to show up... and it didn't.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 25, 2016, 08:43:41 AM
There is a lot of material we could cover for future installments. A lot of people are recommending Sonic Genesis for the GBA. I've never played it as after Sonic 1 I never really cared about Sonic games with the exception of Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. I look forward to being impressed with the 32-bit GBA's adaptation of the 16-bit game. So many potential dumb blast processing jokes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: wildfruit on December 25, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
I used to hate so much on Xbox. I missed out on so much.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Groover on December 26, 2016, 08:39:59 AM
There is a lot of material we could cover for future installments. A lot of people are recommending Sonic Genesis for the GBA. I've never played it as after Sonic 1 I never really cared about Sonic games with the exception of Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. I look forward to being impressed with the 32-bit GBA's adaptation of the 16-bit game. So many potential dumb blast processing jokes.

That GBA port is very bad.

Great episode on bad ports.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esteban on December 28, 2016, 04:54:12 AM
There is a lot of material we could cover for future installments. A lot of people are recommending Sonic Genesis for the GBA. I've never played it as after Sonic 1 I never really cared about Sonic games with the exception of Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. I look forward to being impressed with the 32-bit GBA's adaptation of the 16-bit game. So many potential dumb blast processing jokes.

I don't think you will get excited over this, but many years ago I saw Gauntlet+Rampart for GBA reduced at the store and I happily purchased it...

I LOVE THESE GAMES!

...only to discover that these GBA ports of Gauntlet and Rampart were really lame.

This was pre-smart phone era (for me) and impulse-purchases often resulted in a "doh!" moment later in the day.

OH WELL.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on January 07, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on January 07, 2017, 09:34:08 PM
^^
'Alice: Madness Returns' looks like it could be right up my alley.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bonknuts on January 08, 2017, 07:46:56 AM
Hah. Watching the review coverage of Red Dead Redemption... I kept thinking of West World (HBO show, not the 70's movie).
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on January 08, 2017, 08:12:35 AM
RDR rules. Play it, love it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on January 09, 2017, 02:51:49 AM
The Sack makes a fantastic point. Lots of great (and not so great) 6th and 7th gen titles waiting to be played. Having a blast with my PS3 I got 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on January 09, 2017, 04:20:20 AM
I've seen the Alice game several times, but passed on it.  I should have looked at it a little closer because it looks like a game I would enjoy.

Also, I was happy to see Lost in Shadow included.  I bought it a while back for a few bucks at GameStop and just never gout around to trying it.  It really seems like my type of game. 

And my RDR story is almost exactly the same.  I bought it at Target on clearance over a year ago and I still haven't even opened it yet. 

My backlog is getting ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 22, 2017, 04:48:01 AM
*cough*
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on February 04, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 05, 2017, 02:26:58 AM
This was a fun episode.  Nothing "new" per day in context of games covered. However enjoyed the banter and general game talk.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on February 05, 2017, 02:36:12 AM
Fact. Joe used to be a WWE announcer.
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Post by: TR0N on February 18, 2017, 06:07:00 PM
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Post by: Bloufo on February 18, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
Metal Wolf Chaos!
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Post by: Michirin9801 on February 19, 2017, 05:59:10 AM
Glad they covered Densetsu no Stafy! I LOVE Stafy~♥♥
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Post by: BigusSchmuck on February 19, 2017, 07:22:12 AM
Damnit now I'm going to have to mod my Saturn to play Policenauts. ;P There goes my Sunday.
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Post by: ccovell on February 21, 2017, 01:12:23 AM
It's nice to see Chalvo 55 get some attention.  By the way, I did make maps of the levels:
(http://www.chrismcovell.com/images/C55Ship_map.png)

a bunch of PNGs here: http://www.chrismcovell.com/data/Chalvo55_Maps.zip
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Post by: TR0N on March 04, 2017, 06:03:52 PM
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Post by: Dicer on March 04, 2017, 07:13:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEa-LycyuYk


You f*cker, I was just about to post it...

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Post by: TR0N on March 04, 2017, 08:03:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEa-LycyuYk


You f*cker, I was just about to post it...



You gotta be quick  :mrgreen: Damn though allot of people on yt have been reviewing the NT  :shock:
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Post by: Dicer on March 05, 2017, 03:39:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEa-LycyuYk


You f*cker, I was just about to post it...



You gotta be quick  :mrgreen: Damn though allot of people on yt have been reviewing the NT  :shock:


It's a damn near $500 NES albeit with more features and whistles, they need to make sure people see it, esp with all the options out there now.


Nice review.  Joe, please feel free to mail me that review unit, so I can verify for myself...

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Post by: Black Tiger on March 05, 2017, 04:14:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEa-LycyuYk


You f*cker, I was just about to post it...



You gotta be quick  :mrgreen: Damn though allot of people on yt have been reviewing the NT  :shock:


They must be giving them away to free to anyone with a youtube channel.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 05, 2017, 05:06:43 PM
Yes. Everyone with a Youtube channel got one.
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Post by: Gredler on March 06, 2017, 06:11:36 AM
Yes. Everyone with a Youtube channel got one.

I did not. You are a liar.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on March 06, 2017, 07:33:29 AM
Yes. Everyone with a Youtube channel got one.

I did not. You are a liar.

ur not 133t enuff.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gredler on March 06, 2017, 10:05:33 AM
ur not 133t enuff.

True.
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Post by: esadajr on March 07, 2017, 01:52:22 AM
Like the AVS, this is how a system should be replicated. I like the possibility of using roms (for running homebrews, etc). Short term it is a niche gizmo, long term, this is the beginning of the future, replicated machines running replicated software.

With time it may be even posible to miniaturize the technology into a cheap but good quality ASIC for the mases.
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Post by: ClodBuster on March 14, 2017, 06:52:23 AM
Joe, since I saw you guys got a Patreon, I just signed up today for giving away a dollar per month.
When I was at it, I also decided to do the same for HG101, since I enjoy their podcasts a lot when commuting between home and work.

It might not be that much, but I hope it adds up with other supporters to a good sum for compensating all the dedication and time you put into your great show.

Oh and by the way, I just ordered the Game Sack vol. 2 Blu-ray.
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Post by: esadajr on March 15, 2017, 02:26:04 AM
I wish the Sack was available on DVD
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Post by: ClodBuster on March 15, 2017, 03:18:31 AM
What about getting your hands on
(a) a cheap standalone blu-ray player
(b) a portable blu-ray disc drive/burner for PC
(c) or a used PS3?

I went with options b and c, by the way... my PS3 is a CECH-2504, the last model that still supported HD Blu-ray video playback using component video cables in 1920x1080 resolution. So I could still use older TVs and AV-receivers without HDMI inputs.
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Post by: esadajr on March 15, 2017, 06:44:55 AM
I do have all three but decided not to keep supporting BluRay. It is a matter of nostalgia/convenience. DVDs can be played even on a PIII, or for a modern setup anamorfic widescreen looks "good enough" to me. For archival purposes they're easier / cheaper to backup. In a number of cases BluRay releases don't offer a significant visual improvement (The Simpsons for example).

Speaking of DVD technology, I don't remember a NUON inspired GameSack episode.
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Post by: majors on March 15, 2017, 08:20:34 AM
(b) a portable blu-ray disc drive/burner for PC

I went with options b and c, by the way...
I tried a external USB blu-ray drive, but Sack never played well with VLC. Something about needing to be on a list or DB somewhere. My other two Rush blu-rays worked...

I went with option C-2: borrow someones PS3.
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Post by: ClodBuster on March 15, 2017, 09:10:14 PM
VLC needs some additional files to decrypt commercial BDs, but I won't put my bets on working flawlessly. Someday, maybe.
My LG drive came with a playback software (Cyberlink something-something) that plays just every BD I've thrown at it.
I don't need to do backups of my discs. I'd be nuts if I'd try backing up my DVD and BD collection. Plus, you can't (easily) backup most videogames, would this be a reason to abandon them as well? Plus, they're proprietary, OMG.

Guys, even commercial DVD and VHS had some more or less effective form of copy protection back then


Simpsons, what season? You didn't mentioned it. Older TV stuff can't be easily upgraded to HD without having to create new masters from the source material, which is either film or when dealing with animation, the original cels. So I wouldn't be surprised if the first Simpsons seasons won't get a true HD update, they even looked pretty blurry on the DVD releases I know of.


TLDR : Stop whining! I'm gonna take a bath.
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Post by: esadajr on March 16, 2017, 10:46:18 AM
Seasons 14 and 16, I made the mistake of getting them on Bluray, no improvements over the DVD versions (got those later). I'll make another topic in Chit-Chat.

Let's not derail from the Sack. Just when you think they have nothing else to talk about, bam! they surprise you. Atari 8 bit, 2600, DOS games, the possibilities are endless.

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Post by: Joe Redifer on March 16, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
Thanks ClodBuster! We definitely appreciate it. As for DVD it would not only cost too much to make in addition to the Blu-ray, but it'd have to come on two or 3 discs and be totally re-authored. I've never been happy with the way DVD compression looks and I used to author DVDs professionally. If you have a PS3 or PS4, press the SQUARE button at any time when watching the Blu-ray (except when you're in a menu. Won't work there for reasons that will become obvious).
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Post by: esadajr on March 17, 2017, 09:11:44 AM
Thanks CloudBuster! We definitely appreciate it. As for DVD it would not only cost too much to make in addition to the Blu-ray, but it'd have to come on two or 3 discs and be totally re-authored. I've never been happy with the way DVD compression looks and I used to author DVDs professionally. If you have a PS3 or PS4, press the SQUARE button at any time when watching the Blu-ray (except when you're in a menu. Won't work there for reasons that will become obvious).

More like wishful thinking on my part I guess. That's what I thought, it wouldn't be economically viable for you guys and other technical / artistic considerations. I respect that. The fact it is even available in physical media is awesome and appreciated.

Now you got me curious with the Square button thing. Ok, I'll get the blu ray just cause I like ya a lot (don't take that too serious).
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Post by: TR0N on March 18, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
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Post by: esteban on March 19, 2017, 08:53:04 AM
Franchise Killers. That's such a great topic. Ha!

:)
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Post by: esadajr on March 20, 2017, 05:51:55 AM
Banjo Kazooie could be a good example.

Is Super Bomberman R a franchise killer? I say yes.

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Post by: sirhcman on March 20, 2017, 07:43:48 AM
Banjo Kazooie could be a good example.

Is Super Bomberman R a franchise killer? I say yes.



I think most people would say Bomberman Act Zero is the franchise killer
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Post by: Necromancer on March 20, 2017, 08:10:09 AM
I think most people would say Bomberman Act Zero is the franchise killer

Most retarded people maybe?

There's at least 10 bomberman games that came after that turd.
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Post by: sirhcman on March 20, 2017, 08:39:32 AM
I think most people would say Bomberman Act Zero is the franchise killer

Most retarded people maybe?

There's at least 10 bomberman games that came after that turd.

Yeah I am retarded.
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Post by: TDIRunner on March 20, 2017, 10:00:44 AM
I really enjoyed this week's video. 

I think an interesting idea for a future video would be series that faced a franchise killer, only to eventually recover many years later and survive.  One example off the top of my head would be Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness.  That game nearly killed off the Tomb Raider franchise and it took nearly 3 years to recover with Tomb Raider Legend.  Others here brought up Bomberman which had a few flops, but still managed to survive. 
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on March 20, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Banjo Kazooie could be a good example.

Is Super Bomberman R a franchise killer? I say yes.


Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts did spring to mind

I hear Super Bomberman R has sold reasonably well, in part being a launch game on a system with a very thin launch lineup.So we may see more
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Post by: Artabasdos on March 21, 2017, 09:33:39 AM
Alright, rather than having the videos posted sometimes in the "What are you watching on Youtube" thread and sometimes in the "Joe Redifer Reviews Presents" thread (and sometimes cross-posted between the two), they can all go here.

Here is the channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/MrGameSack) if you are interested in subscribing or doing any of that nonsense.

And here is the latest episode:

16-bit Ninja Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtVHzoU4714)

Guess who will be the first to point out any games we missed?  That's right, it will be YOU!


Wait, you're the guy from Game Sack? D:
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Post by: ClodBuster on March 21, 2017, 09:36:20 AM
Joe, I just have received the Game Sack Vol. 2 BD and am digging through the bonus videos.

The episode about browsing the web using consoles is quite entertaining and inventive. I love the funny porn segment you did at the end.

I have utter respect for all the hard work you put into every episode of Game Sack after watching the documentary.

Cheers, Clod
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Post by: cr8zykuban0 on March 22, 2017, 04:37:35 AM
Definitely enjoyed franchise killers episode. Also got around to watching piss poor ports, i didnt exactly agree with the akumajou saturn port at first but once i saw their reasons why, i was like damn, was the saturn version that bad?  Despite the quality difference in the graphics and slowdown i do enjoy the saturn version nonetheless
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Post by: seieienbu on March 22, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
I had no idea that the same people who made Streetwise made Beast Rider.  Man, what a pair of mediocre games. 

If you do another one on this topic, maybe Secret of Mana et all would work...?  I was a big fan of the first four Seiken Densetsu games.  The last real releases in the franchise, Children/Dawn of Mana, were more than a decade ago.  I didn't much care for them at their release but since then it seems like the only releases in the series have been rehashes and freemium cell phone junk games.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 23, 2017, 04:19:57 AM
Streets of Rage 3 was both the last game made in the series and most perceive it to be the weakest in the trilogy.  Was this a franchise killer?
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Post by: esadajr on March 23, 2017, 05:24:23 AM
Streets of Rage 3 was both the last game made in the series and most perceive it to be the weakest in the trilogy.  Was this a franchise killer?
No. But I certainly appreciate no more were made.
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Post by: Gentlegamer on March 23, 2017, 05:26:31 AM
Alright, rather than having the videos posted sometimes in the "What are you watching on Youtube" thread and sometimes in the "Joe Redifer Reviews Presents" thread (and sometimes cross-posted between the two), they can all go here.

Here is the channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/MrGameSack) if you are interested in subscribing or doing any of that nonsense.

And here is the latest episode:

16-bit Ninja Games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtVHzoU4714)

Guess who will be the first to point out any games we missed?  That's right, it will be YOU!


Wait, you're the guy from Game Sack? D:


No, he's the guy from pcenginefx that does a tubetard show called Gamesack.
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Post by: seieienbu on March 23, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Streets of Rage 3 was both the last game made in the series and most perceive it to be the weakest in the trilogy.  Was this a franchise killer?

As I understood it, there were several attempts made at making more Streets of Rage games they just never came to fruition due to internal bureaucratic nonsense at Sega.  A reasonably popular franchise not getting a sequel post Genesis doesn't exactly surprise me when you look at everything that company was going through/doing.

I'm inclined to believe that Breath of Fire 5 may well have killed off that franchise.  People didn't seem to like the changes to the combat mechanics and it didn't sell particularly well world wide.  I looked into it just now and found out there was a microtransaction Breath of Fire 6 released last year.  Does that still count as a dead franchise, I wonder?  At the very least I'd argue that the series is completely scaled down from previous incarnations to where it's no longer even recognizable to the console RPGs that came before it.
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Post by: Black Tiger on March 23, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
I think that a good topic would be "Games that killed franchises for me". There's no wrong answers there.
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Post by: Gentlegamer on March 24, 2017, 12:44:31 AM
Mass Effect 3
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Post by: TR0N on April 01, 2017, 07:40:07 PM
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Post by: cr8zykuban0 on April 01, 2017, 09:08:23 PM
Even though the ps1 was more successful, saturn had a lot of potential and cranked out some amazing arcade ports, sadly many that never came out to the states :/
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Post by: Punch on April 02, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
Saturn would have been as good as the PSX if they didn't make such a complicated machine to use and they stopped fighting with Sega of America for dumb reasons. N64 would probably be able to win over both if they went for optical based media because their hardware was badass.

I didn't watch the video fully yet but I saw the comments and I can't believe people are using the old "N64 has better software overall, most PS1 games were garbage" argument. The library's so huge you could probably have 5 good games for every 1 game on the N64. Development was cheaper for sony's console overall and that's why there's a good amount of shitty games, but that also means that there's a lot of decent to great games in all budget ranges to choose from.
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Post by: Gypsy on April 02, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
Amazing story in FF7? Well I guess the video did get posted to youtube on April 1st.  :dance:

Oh and I would like to add, I enjoyed the Franchise Killers episode. Thanks Joe for the fun content.

I didn't watch the video fully yet but I saw the comments and I can't believe people are using the old "N64 has better software overall, most PS1 games were garbage" argument. The library's so huge you could probably have 5 good games for every 1 game on the N64. Development was cheaper for sony's console overall and that's why there's a good amount of shitty games, but that also means that there's a lot of decent to great games in all budget ranges to choose from.

Typical bullshit that keeps getting spewed so some accept it as fact. The PS1 library slaughters the N64 library just like you said, on sheer numbers. Hell I don't even really keep any N64 games around...
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Post by: Dicer on April 02, 2017, 11:35:34 AM
I've had more fun with the Saturn overall, Superior 2D non-warbly 3D, and games better suited to my tastes...

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Post by: seieienbu on April 02, 2017, 02:44:16 PM
I think if I only had one console from that generation, I would have to choose PS1 with the Saturn in a relatively close second place.  The N64 on the other hand?  That's a console in a very distant third place and that's primarily due to the library of games on the platform. 

Perhaps due to the small library, N64 games feel very homogeneous to me.  The system doesn't have the same number of unique experimental games.  One of my favorite things about that console generation was the number of games trying to figure out things like 2.5D levels, working 2D sprites into 3D worlds, and games looking so unique at the time.  Looking back, I don't believe that the 3D games from that era held up as well as 2D games from that generation or earlier.  On the N64 though?  It felt like every game is by and large a blurry 3D mess.  I don't have the same feelings of the experimental games on the Saturn or the PS1 so I just don't like the library as much overall.

It would have been interesting to see this sort of video include the N64 too, but this definitely leaves room for a sequel-ish video down the road.  Either way, it was an enjoyable episode.
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Post by: Groover on April 02, 2017, 03:54:13 PM
That was another fun episode.

I would also choose PlayStation but Saturn is something that I keep discovering gems. I wish I was finding them in 2000. I really find myself playing the Saturn more these days than the PlayStation.
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Post by: ClodBuster on April 02, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
Great episode, as always.

Does anybody know the technical reason behind the PlayStation's signature texture warping? And is this behavior found on every 3D game, or are there ways to eliminate it?
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Post by: Punch on April 02, 2017, 11:27:05 PM
Great episode, as always.

Does anybody know the technical reason behind the PlayStation's signature texture warping? And is this behavior found on every 3D game, or are there ways to eliminate it?


If I recall correctly you had your 3D stuff projected into 2D before texturing was applied, and since you can't do perspective correction without knowing the depth of the vertices, the PS1 did only a cheap affine texture mapping. I don't think anything can be done (except in emulation maybe)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Perspective_correct_texture_mapping.jpg/400px-Perspective_correct_texture_mapping.jpg)

EDIT: Back in 1995 (an extremely boring game that totally misses the point of what it's trying to recreate) does the "PS1 distortion" quite well.
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Post by: TDIRunner on April 03, 2017, 03:16:29 AM
Awesome video.  This was probably my favorite video game generation, or at least the one I have the most memories of.  I was definitely a PS1 guy during that time, but even back then I would have happily owned a Saturn if I had the funds to own more than one console at a time, but such things were pretty unheard of back then. 
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Post by: Gypsy on April 03, 2017, 04:27:09 AM
I think if I only had one console from that generation, I would have to choose PS1 with the Saturn in a relatively close second place.  The N64 on the other hand?  That's a console in a very distant third place and that's primarily due to the library of games on the platform.

Tough call. Complete library I think I'd lean towards the Saturn. I certainly have way more Saturn games. Importing it is easier (I have a Japanese PS2 I'm talking about entry level, all you need is a 4 in 1, gameshark or pseudo saturn). Of course importing is a much bigger key for Saturn ownership in the first place (not unlike the PCE). US library only I'd take PS1.

What isn't a tough call is the N64. Let's say I only get 3 consoles from the gen. I am taking PS1, Saturn and....PC-FX. It's not even close really. PC-FX has unique experiences that were never ported elsewhere. In comparison just about anything I could want to play for N64 (not much to begin with) is available on another system.
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Post by: Digi.k on April 03, 2017, 11:25:03 AM
good video.  I've watched it like 3 times now.

Wished more saturn games could have been shown on there.
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Post by: crazydean on April 03, 2017, 11:54:47 AM
I think if I only had one console from that generation, I would have to choose PS1 with the Saturn in a relatively close second place.  The N64 on the other hand?  That's a console in a very distant third place and that's primarily due to the library of games on the platform.

Tough call. Complete library I think I'd lean towards the Saturn. I certainly have way more Saturn games. Importing it is easier (I have a Japanese PS2 I'm talking about entry level, all you need is a 4 in 1, gameshark or pseudo saturn). Of course importing is a much bigger key for Saturn ownership in the first place (not unlike the PCE). US library only I'd take PS1.

What isn't a tough call is the N64. Let's say I only get 3 consoles from the gen. I am taking PS1, Saturn and....PC-FX. It's not even close really. PC-FX has unique experiences that were never ported elsewhere. In comparison just about anything I could want to play for N64 (not much to begin with) is available on another system.

I see no one wants to talk about the Jaguar CD.
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Post by: Gypsy on April 03, 2017, 12:30:20 PM
A system I would take the N64 over!  :dance:
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Post by: Bloufo on April 03, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
I see no one wants to talk about the Jaguar CD.

I still fire it up every now and then. More for the VLM show rather than the "games". :P
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Post by: esadajr on April 05, 2017, 04:44:41 AM
Just finished watching the lastest episode last night. Really enjoyed it, The Saturn has no doubt a vast amount of great titles, but even counting the Japan exclusives I still have to side with the Playstation. After all, where else can you play Medievil?
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Post by: geise on April 05, 2017, 06:08:32 AM
Lol with comparing games.  Mainly with rpg's on the ps1.  Suikoden and Vandal Hearts were released on the saturn.  I'll take Panzer Dragoon Saga over FFVII anyday of the week. With my shitty 2 cents said.  Fantastic Video!
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Post by: EvilEvoIX on April 11, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
I see no one wants to talk about the Jaguar CD.

I still fire it up every now and then. More for the VLM show rather than the "games". :P


Same here, I love Brain Dead 13, Baldies, Battle Morph.  Space ace is fun.
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Post by: Punch on April 11, 2017, 11:55:31 AM

I see no one wants to talk about the Jaguar CD.

Screw the Jaguar CD, if you want a different piece of hardware the 3do is where its at, it has way more interesting games.
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Post by: TR0N on April 15, 2017, 07:16:44 PM
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Post by: Gypsy on April 16, 2017, 03:18:32 AM
Another good video. At first I was wondering if y'all were going to mention Ori, then you did, and all was good. There is ALWAYS shame to playing on easy though. Gawd what a newb.  :dance:
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Post by: esadajr on April 17, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
I wish PC games had physical releases but I know it's just a pipe dream. Pop in the disc, install the game then Bob's your uncle. 
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Post by: Gypsy on April 17, 2017, 01:23:08 PM
I wish PC games had physical releases but I know it's just a pipe dream. Pop in the disc, install the game then Bob's your uncle.

Yeah this would be great but ohhhh has that ship sailed. :(
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Post by: TR0N on April 29, 2017, 08:10:26 PM
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Post by: Medic_wheat on April 30, 2017, 02:18:57 AM
Well I guess this answered Nullys question about cheap NES games that are shooters and RPGs which happen to be cheap.

I might have been half awake. But I don't remember seeing any sega games (apart from the one D.C. Game). Considering they had four Nintendo games listed.

I also liked how the majority of the games listed happened to be good to decent games.
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Post by: Gredler on April 30, 2017, 07:59:17 AM
Hahaha great skit at the end of that one.
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Post by: munchiaz on May 02, 2017, 07:11:37 AM
a fun episode. xexzy makes me think of the word sexy
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: esadajr on May 12, 2017, 07:36:22 AM
Good memories playing Xexyz (see sees).
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Post by: Winniez on May 12, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
Great episode as usual and loved the end skit. Would be great to get more of those "impress your friends with" skits
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Post by: TR0N on May 13, 2017, 07:25:21 PM
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Post by: esadajr on May 19, 2017, 02:06:50 AM
Had to use the facilities after watching that PPP of Sonic.

Another one for the brainstorming session "Poorly translated games".
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Post by: TR0N on May 27, 2017, 07:42:21 PM
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Post by: Gypsy on May 28, 2017, 02:38:41 AM
I'm in the same boat with CoD. I would never pay full retail (lol) but when I can pick them up for $5 or less that's well worth the campaign mode for me.
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Post by: sirhcman on May 28, 2017, 03:08:47 AM
It was nice that Dave and Joe were able to get one of the former art designers of Treyarch on the show, it was a cool change of pace.. good episode as usual!
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Post by: seieienbu on May 28, 2017, 07:51:49 AM
I always really liked Zelda 2.  I played it when it was new and the fact that the enemies actually knew that I were there and were actively trying to kill me seemed really unique at the time.  I still find the fencing enjoyable today.
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Post by: GohanX on May 28, 2017, 02:12:54 PM
I'm in the same boat with CoD. I would never pay full retail (lol) but when I can pick them up for $5 or less that's well worth the campaign mode for me.
CoD campaigns are a good time imo. I don't play online, I just wait for them to reach $20 or below. It's fun to blow through on a weekend.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on May 28, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
Yeah I just recently got Black Ops 1/2 for a dollar each. I'll have some fun with em.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Dicer on May 28, 2017, 05:10:48 PM
Eh, it was alright...
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Post by: Black Tiger on May 29, 2017, 05:39:00 AM
I assume that JJ & Jeff has been covered by now.
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Post by: sirhcman on May 29, 2017, 06:03:08 AM
I assume that JJ & Jeff has been covered by now.


Episode 86 https://youtu.be/xgxSxg59rGA?t=16m7s

All games shown on GS are here: http://www.gamesack.net/gamesack.html
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Post by: Black Tiger on May 29, 2017, 06:40:36 AM
I meant as a polarizing game, because I can't think of a more genuine one. Its polarization isn't tainted from being part of a "legendary" franchise either.

I guess they are on the love/like it side though, if it's deserving of a sequel.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on June 01, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
JJ & Jeff will also make an appearance in episode 200.
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Post by: ClodBuster on June 01, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
Spoiler ALERT!!
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Post by: TR0N on June 09, 2017, 07:32:21 PM
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Post by: TR0N on June 24, 2017, 07:09:59 PM
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Post by: Gypsy on June 25, 2017, 03:10:42 AM
Yeah Gearbolt is pretty great.
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Post by: Dicer on June 25, 2017, 06:06:52 AM
So basically Saturn is ass for Lightgun games...

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Post by: Black Tiger on June 26, 2017, 06:47:10 AM
Although I disagree about Virtua Cops and think that their about as good as light games get, it's cool that Joe didn't dismiss House of the Dead because of the visuals, as it's still a great game and still feels like playing the arcade version.

But for less than $200 you can buy on eBay a Japanese Saturn, two black stunners, Virta Cop 1 and 2 and House of the Dead, including shipping.

If Game Sack was one of those shows which pretends that Japan doesn't exist and tailored to collectors, I'd expect a comment about HotD being $200. Seems all the more out of place in an episode full of Japanese-only releases.

Virtua Cops and the first two House of the Dead games are the only light gun games I've really enjoyed since the transition to 3D. Virtua Cop 2 for Saturn is actually pushing a lot and the clarity of the crisp solid 3D in the Saturn Virtua Cop games really makes them feel like the arcade versions and that the shooting is accurate, without misc distortion muddying up what you're trying to shoot and not shoot at.
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Post by: majors on June 27, 2017, 03:27:40 AM
Super long! More sack for my viewing pleasure.
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Post by: TDIRunner on June 27, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
I enjoyed this episode.  I used to play Die Hard Trilogy on PS1 for hours on end.  I probably enjoyed the light gun portion of the game more than anything else, although the driving portion of part 3 was also fun as it was the closest thing to an open world game that I had ever seen back then. 
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Post by: MrBroadway on June 27, 2017, 06:16:37 AM
But for less than $200 you can buy on eBay a Japanese Saturn, two black stunners, Virta Cop 1 and 2 and House of the Dead, including shipping.
Or just get an Action Replay cart. I agree, though, HotD is a great game, and the Japanese version is the way to go.

I eventually want to get HotD2 for the DC along with Confidential Mission. I was surprised that there weren't a slew of good light gun games for that system, though.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 27, 2017, 06:46:49 AM

Or just get an Action Replay cart. I agree, though, HotD is a great game, and the Japanese version is the way to go.

Just remember, Saturn cartridge slot reliability is like that of a grade A egg after playing catch using a slingtshot at 30 yards away.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 27, 2017, 07:07:21 AM
Gotta leave that effer in there.
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Post by: MrBroadway on June 27, 2017, 07:14:47 AM

Or just get an Action Replay cart. I agree, though, HotD is a great game, and the Japanese version is the way to go.

Just remember, Saturn cartridge slot reliability is like that of a grade A egg after playing catch using a slingtshot at 30 yards away.

I just leave mine in there at all times. No need to remove it, and I've never had any issues.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 27, 2017, 07:18:06 AM


I just leave mine in there at all times. No need to remove it, and I've never had any issues.

Yeah, I have.. a few Saturns..

I generally leave the memory cards in place permanently. I've been through 15 or so in the past 22 years, almost entirely changed out due to unusable cart slots (Funcoland used to have a year long warranty you could buy where they'd swap systems no questions asked, and believe me I had to use it as I switched between memory cards, netlink, action replay carts, etc).
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Post by: Gypsy on June 27, 2017, 07:25:30 AM
I also keep multiple Saturns for this reason. I have US Saturns with regular AR and PS. JP Saturns with RAM carts. Can't see myself bothering to get more US systems to put RAM carts in, since I'd rather just buy JP versions anyway.
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Post by: TDIRunner on June 27, 2017, 08:07:14 AM

Or just get an Action Replay cart. I agree, though, HotD is a great game, and the Japanese version is the way to go.

Just remember, Saturn cartridge slot reliability is like that of a grade A egg after playing catch using a slingtshot at 30 yards away.

I just leave mine in there at all times. No need to remove it, and I've never had any issues.

I don't think I've removed mine since I put it in.  Action Replay cheats, RAM expansion, extra save memory, region unlocking.  No reason to ever remove the thing. 
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 27, 2017, 08:25:49 AM


I don't think I've removed mine since I put it in.  Action Replay cheats, RAM expansion, extra save memory, region unlocking.  No reason to ever remove the thing. 

It can't directly save to the cartridge from within a game for one thing. If you have KoF or back in the day wanted to use the netlink there was another. Try playing Panzer Dragoon Saga US with that thing in.
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Post by: TDIRunner on June 27, 2017, 09:19:11 AM


I don't think I've removed mine since I put it in.  Action Replay cheats, RAM expansion, extra save memory, region unlocking.  No reason to ever remove the thing. 

It can't directly save to the cartridge from within a game for one thing. If you have KoF or back in the day wanted to use the netlink there was another. Try playing Panzer Dragoon Saga US with that thing in.

So far none of those things have required me to take the cart out, especially the netlink adapter.  In the past 5 years, I've needed that a total of zero times. 
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Post by: Lost Monkey on June 27, 2017, 09:41:14 AM
But for less than $200 you can buy on eBay a Japanese Saturn, two black stunners, Virta Cop 1 and 2 and House of the Dead, including shipping.
Or just get an Action Replay cart. I agree, though, HotD is a great game, and the Japanese version is the way to go.

I eventually want to get HotD2 for the DC along with Confidential Mission. I was surprised that there weren't a slew of good light gun games for that system, though.

There is also a JP only Virtua Cop 2 for DC.  I've had the JP HOTD2 since launch, great game - wasn't the US version gun crippled or something like that?
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Post by: MrBroadway on June 27, 2017, 10:07:11 AM
There is also a JP only Virtua Cop 2 for DC.  I've had the JP HOTD2 since launch, great game - wasn't the US version gun crippled or something like that?
That came out on a compilation disc, right? The Saturn version suits me well enough.

I really have no idea about DC light gun stuff, as I never owned one or any of the games for it. It just surprises me because it's this great arcade machine yet not many light guns even exist for it, let alone be any good.
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Post by: Lost Monkey on June 28, 2017, 01:31:52 AM
There is also a JP only Virtua Cop 2 for DC.  I've had the JP HOTD2 since launch, great game - wasn't the US version gun crippled or something like that?
That came out on a compilation disc, right? The Saturn version suits me well enough.

I really have no idea about DC light gun stuff, as I never owned one or any of the games for it. It just surprises me because it's this great arcade machine yet not many light guns even exist for it, let alone be any good.

VC2 is a straight up single game release - not on a comp.

Regarding US DC and lightguns - from Wikipedia:
The Dreamcast Gun is a light gun that was released only in Europe and Asia, where it is the official light gun for use. It works on American consoles, as all Dreamcast peripherals are region-free. However, many of the American games are region-locked and will not work with the Japanese gun; many of them will display a message such as "This gun incompatible in North America (HOTD2)". This was an intentional move on Sega's part, who were worried about bad press after the Columbine High School massacre. Instead, Mad Catz released an officially licensed light gun in America, which does work with Sega's US gun games. The official European and Asian Dreamcast Gun does not work with any American games. American consoles can run Japanese games using this gun since it is the software that disallows the gun, not the console.

I knew I remembered something messed up about the US DC and light guns.  I bought the Japanese HOTD2 set (I had a Japanese console before the US release) so I never bothered with any US light gun games.  The limits are in software though, so if you have a modified bios or boot disc to play Japanese games, you can use the official light gun.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on June 29, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Virtua Cop 2 on Dreamcast game on the Sega Smash Pack, a disc containing accurate emulation of many Genesis... even more accurate than the original games themselves!
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Post by: Lost Monkey on June 30, 2017, 05:20:06 AM
Virtua Cop 2 on Dreamcast game on the Sega Smash Pack, a disc containing accurate emulation of many Genesis... even more accurate than the original games themselves!

That's right!  I forgot about that atrocity...
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Post by: TR0N on July 08, 2017, 07:04:09 PM
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Post by: esadajr on July 11, 2017, 08:16:22 AM
I love Enduro on the Master System, brings backs good memories.
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Post by: crazydean on July 11, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
This episode could have just been Arcade Ports on NES.
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Post by: TR0N on July 22, 2017, 07:05:54 PM
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Post by: seieienbu on July 22, 2017, 10:53:52 PM
As much as I love SF I didn't really care for SF2 HD Remix.  The game had a crazy look that made like zero sense.  You had things like the elephants that looked super shine-y and oddities in the animation like Balrog's head shrinking when he went from walking backward to blocking that drove me crazy.  The original concept art gave the characters more colors all over the place and when the game was finally released I thought it looked cheaper in comparison. 

I vastly prefer the look of the older games in the series.
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Post by: MrBroadway on July 22, 2017, 11:16:57 PM
San Francisco 2: Homeless Destruction.
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Post by: TR0N on August 05, 2017, 07:12:56 PM
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Post by: ccovell on August 06, 2017, 01:15:21 AM
Oh, my God.  Wild Woody makes me want to stick actual pencils in my eyes.  :[

And Awesome Possum... it doesn't run at 15 fps... just going by the video, it has 2 identical frames, then 3, then 2, 3, etc... that comes to 12 frames per second.

Thanks Joe and Dave, you reminded me of the hatred I had for US-developed Genesis games during the 90s...  it's a feeling I hadn't felt in a long time.  :|
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Post by: crazydean on August 06, 2017, 09:32:05 AM
I thought they already had an episode on the Genesis.
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Post by: Gypsy on August 06, 2017, 09:47:07 AM
Oh, my God.  Wild Woody makes me want to stick actual pencils in my eyes.  :[

And Awesome Possum... it doesn't run at 15 fps... just going by the video, it has 2 identical frames, then 3, then 2, 3, etc... that comes to 12 frames per second.

Thanks Joe and Dave, you reminded me of the hatred I had for US-developed Genesis games during the 90s...  it's a feeling I hadn't felt in a long time.  :|

Ha. I didn't even know about that Socket turd.
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 06, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
Tude 'em up!

Great pun! Great episode. That wacky camere movement! Lol.

EDIT: The choppy scrolling of Awesome Possum brings back memories of Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure on DOS PC, where the screen scrolling is tile based or something like that. Wikipedia says about Cosmo
Quote
(...) parallax scrolling, this feature came at the cost of the game's frame rate, moving the graphics in increments of 8 pixels (the size of one game tile) instead of 1 pixel.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmo%27s_Cosmic_Adventure#Implementation
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Post by: Michirin9801 on August 07, 2017, 01:23:47 AM
Quote
(...) parallax scrolling, this feature came at the cost of the game's frame rate, moving the graphics in increments of 8 pixels (the size of one game tile) instead of 1 pixel.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmo%27s_Cosmic_Adventure#Implementation
That's the same thing they did in Ys III, but I didn't mind the choppy scrolling in that game, I guess playing a lot of PC-98 and 88 action games made me tolerant towards this kind of scrolling...
There's literally no reason to do that on the Mega Drive though, that was just s*** coding, but I'd only expect as much from Tengen...
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Post by: ClodBuster on August 07, 2017, 01:39:51 AM
I was able to beat Cosmo in the mid 90s. The choppy scrolling was a bit annoying when you knew that earlier PC games (e.g. Commander Keen Secret of the Oracle) and systems (hell, even the NES) could do way better. But still, at least this wasn't slowdown, the game ran just fine and was reacting quick to your inputs, just as it should. Plus, having parallax scrolling in a DOS game at all was mindblowing, and I did not realize until today that Cosmo ran in 16 color EGA mode - to me as a kid it must have looked like rather 256 color VGA instead. But then, both Keen SotO and Cosmo did some nice spritework and level design to hide their EGA limitations.
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Post by: TR0N on August 19, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
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Post by: ccovell on August 20, 2017, 04:08:41 AM
A fun episode, and yeah, it is always nostalgic & therapeutic to pick up any old magazine, whether good or bad.
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Post by: Winniez on August 23, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
Absolutely love the 'tude episode, in gaming and even outside of gaming I have found the lack of the 90s 'tude parodies disturbing.
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Post by: Zero_Gamer on August 25, 2017, 02:46:47 AM
I wish I still had all the issues of Gamepro and EGM I once owned. I was impressed that your originals were still in such good condition.

My magazines were destroyed after a year from toting them to friends houses, carrying them in the backpack back and forth from school, and looking through them a bazillion times.

If the cover ever came off, which seemed to happen often on gamepro, the pages would eventually go too, one by one.

Great episode though. Seeing some of those covers and ads brought back some fond memories.
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Post by: Bloufo on September 02, 2017, 07:16:51 PM
The TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine - Review - Part 2  Someone embed the vid for me. Can't seem to do it from this side.
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Post by: ccovell on September 03, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
When you change the "https://" to "http://", videos can be embedded.
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Post by: Keith Courage on September 03, 2017, 03:29:38 PM
Looks like someone had some fun showing off their collection in that one :)
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Post by: TR0N on September 03, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
It didn't add much what was cover all ready in the last one for the TG16.Still i was reading the comments and a person complain joe is ruining the TG16 market wtf !?
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Post by: gex on September 04, 2017, 02:40:04 AM
i was reading the comments and a person complain joe is ruining the TG16 market wtf !?
Yeah idk, that seems to be more the case with big Youtubers. When they shed light on something obscure, and hype it up in their review.
These guys though? Idk, kind of doubt it. Most bandwagons gaymers only have the attention span of 15 minutes though, so consider anything after last alert safe.
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Post by: Gypsy on September 04, 2017, 02:52:44 AM
I think I got cancer reading that comment exchange.
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Post by: esteban on September 04, 2017, 03:12:51 AM
i was reading the comments and a person complain joe is ruining the TG16 market wtf !?
Yeah idk, that seems to be more the case with big Youtubers. When they shed light on something obscure, and hype it up in their review.
These guys though? Idk, kind of doubt it. Most bandwagons gaymers only have the attention span of 15 minutes though, so consider anything after last alert safe.

hahahhahahahhaha!

The line of the week: "...so consider anything after Last Alert safe"

Perfect.
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Post by: Groover on September 04, 2017, 02:39:01 PM
Another Great episode. Nice extra long episode to look again at the TurboGafrx16.
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Post by: TR0N on September 04, 2017, 07:37:01 PM
i was reading the comments and a person complain joe is ruining the TG16 market wtf !?
Yeah idk, that seems to be more the case with big Youtubers. When they shed light on something obscure, and hype it up in their review.
These guys though? Idk, kind of doubt it. Most bandwagons gaymers only have the attention span of 15 minutes though, so consider anything after last alert safe.
Dunn,before even joe did the TG16 review prices were all ready going up before hand  :P People as of late have been complaining allot to most youtubers.That there ruining the prices for retro video games.Then again like it matters it would have happen either way with or without the exposure.
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Post by: munchiaz on September 08, 2017, 09:16:26 AM
Good episode. Last Alert is a gem
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Post by: TelcoSurveyor on September 08, 2017, 10:03:15 AM
Another episode I will watch time and time again from different hotel internet connections.
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Post by: Winniez on September 14, 2017, 10:09:41 AM
Great episode as always but I was suprised that Joe didn't like Bloody Wolf all that much. Also glad to see Final Soldier getting some love although I do think that Soldier Blade is far superior game.
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Post by: esteban on September 14, 2017, 02:57:55 PM
Great episode as always but I was suprised that Joe didn't like Bloody Wolf all that much. Also glad to see Final Soldier getting some love although I do think that Soldier Blade is far superior game.

Agreed.

Bloody Wolf is great game, and the challenge ramps up (the Generalissimo who disappears and has boomerangs is a nice challenge....he appears twice, second time he's wily).

Personally, I consider Bloody Wolf superior to Last Alert/Red Alert.

:)
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Post by: Winniez on September 15, 2017, 12:05:25 AM
Great episode as always but I was suprised that Joe didn't like Bloody Wolf all that much. Also glad to see Final Soldier getting some love although I do think that Soldier Blade is far superior game.

Agreed.

Bloody Wolf is great game, and the challenge ramps up (the Generalissimo who disappears and has boomerangs is a nice challenge....he appears twice, second time he's wily).

Personally, I consider Bloody Wolf superior to Last Alert/Red Alert.

:)

Yeah, I'm always struggling against him. I think the challenge is just about right, the Japanese version is more difficult since it has limited continues.
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Post by: Black Tiger on September 15, 2017, 02:53:19 PM
Great episode as always but I was suprised that Joe didn't like Bloody Wolf all that much. Also glad to see Final Soldier getting some love although I do think that Soldier Blade is far superior game.

Agreed.

Bloody Wolf is great game, and the challenge ramps up (the Generalissimo who disappears and has boomerangs is a nice challenge....he appears twice, second time he's wily).

Personally, I consider Bloody Wolf superior to Last Alert/Red Alert.

:)

In an old thread I posted how to beat him effectively without cheating/cheezing. I think you just knife him while dodging in a pattern.


EDIT: Here it is:

Although it's one of my favorite games, I haven't played through it in a long time. I never had trouble with the final boss though.

It looks pretty straightforward. Just knife the boomerangs and in the final wave, shoot the light colored image:

44:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3i4bdPzQjc
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Post by: esteban on September 15, 2017, 03:06:47 PM
Great episode as always but I was suprised that Joe didn't like Bloody Wolf all that much. Also glad to see Final Soldier getting some love although I do think that Soldier Blade is far superior game.

Agreed.

Bloody Wolf is great game, and the challenge ramps up (the Generalissimo who disappears and has boomerangs is a nice challenge....he appears twice, second time he's wily).

Personally, I consider Bloody Wolf superior to Last Alert/Red Alert.

:)

In an old thread I posted how to beat him effectively without cheating/cheezing. I think you just knife him while dodging in a pattern.


EDIT: Here it is:

Although it's one of my favorite games, I haven't played through it in a long time. I never had trouble with the final boss though.

It looks pretty straightforward. Just knife the boomerangs and in the final wave, shoot the light colored image:

44:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3i4bdPzQjc

My technique is just about timing...BEFORE you think the boomerangs are "materializing" and about to head toward you, you start moving to "trick" them into flying past you. It sucks if you sluggish on the direction pad and get hit, though.

:)
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Post by: EmperorIng on September 16, 2017, 05:20:53 AM
I had a good laugh at the line "These graphics are almost TOO real!"

Those intercut bits reminded me so much of those promotional gaming VHSes I used to receive as a small child. Totally radical, man.

I wish I still had them... I guess that's what youtube is for!

Also: Rocky Rodent aka NITROPUNKS MIGHTHEAD is made by IREM, so it can't be a bad game.
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Post by: TR0N on September 16, 2017, 07:29:51 PM
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Post by: Michirin9801 on September 16, 2017, 07:46:12 PM
Just expanding on my YouTube comment:

It's so meta to see a Deflemask track playing on Joe's Genesis in a Game Sack video... Even though it doesn't play right... But you know what? I'll bet you could play some Deflemask tunes on the TurboGrafx-16 A-OK... Try it!

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=22511.msg501799#msg501799
^A lot of my songs can be found in ROMs right here, and I'll bet Fragmare will also link some of his own stuff in .hes format sooner or later...
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Post by: Black Tiger on September 17, 2017, 08:10:51 AM
All of the deflemask roms I'br tried on real hardware seemed to play as intended and sounded better than emulation.
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Post by: TR0N on September 25, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
Well if any body is in texas dang it bobby !! There's this con joe&dave will be at.
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Post by: majors on September 26, 2017, 04:12:31 AM
I meet Game Sack at Retropalooza two years ago before their con hiatus. Their panel is on Sunday @ noon this year...I toying with the idea of flying down that morning, catch the panel then fly back the same evening since hotel rooms seem to be $200+.
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Post by: sirhcman on September 26, 2017, 04:17:03 AM
I meet Game Sack at Retropalooza two years ago before their con hiatus. Their panel is on Sunday @ noon this year...I toying with the idea of flying down that morning, catch the panel then fly back the same evening since hotel rooms seem to be $200+.

Won't the panel be filmed for youtube like the others? Seems like a lot of money to spend just to see a "retro" video game panel
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Post by: Necromancer on September 26, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
Not when you pay $0 for airfare.
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Post by: majors on September 27, 2017, 03:10:32 AM
Yeah...forgot to mention that free flight part. I think Lyft would be 60-80 bucks. It would be cool story to tell folks to show how much I appreciate the Sack team. If I go, I may be IN the recording too :)
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Post by: sirhcman on September 27, 2017, 07:27:29 AM
Yeah...forgot to mention that free flight part. I think Lyft would be 60-80 bucks. It would be cool story to tell folks to show how much I appreciate the Sack team. If I go, I may be IN the recording too :)

Well I hope you have fun!
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Post by: turboswimbz on September 27, 2017, 07:49:06 AM
Yeah...forgot to mention that free flight part. I think Lyft would be 60-80 bucks. It would be cool story to tell folks to show how much I appreciate the Sack team. If I go, I may be IN the recording too :)

Aren't these things your job now. LMAO.
DO me a favor and tell if right sack is the same as left sack.
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Post by: TR0N on September 30, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
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Post by: Joe Redifer on October 03, 2017, 08:12:04 AM
We won't be recording the panel. Retropalooza may record it but I'm not counting on it.
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Post by: majors on October 04, 2017, 02:10:23 AM
Then I have to go now...exclusive GS content not foundz on the webz! Of course, some attendee may record from his phone, but that's no fun.
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Post by: TR0N on October 14, 2017, 07:49:33 PM
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Post by: TR0N on October 28, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
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Post by: ClodBuster on October 30, 2017, 01:58:38 AM
Are there yet people complaing about not having included Road Rash, because they missed the dedicated episode?
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Post by: Medic_wheat on October 30, 2017, 02:52:56 AM
I was actually debating in my head if the Burn Out series counted in their sub activity of games.

Then Joe talked about a ham that was very Burn Outish.
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Post by: Zero_Gamer on November 04, 2017, 01:31:48 PM
I've really enjoyed the streaming Joe. Keep it up.
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Post by: TR0N on November 04, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
I've really enjoyed the streaming Joe. Keep it up.
He does good by streaming long as it's not greendawg  :roll:
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Post by: TR0N on November 11, 2017, 06:02:46 PM
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Post by: Winniez on November 18, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
Great stuff as always.
Future episode suggestion: PC games. I would like to see a PC game episode from you guys. Could be vintage DOS games, older Windows games, Steam games or what have you. Stuff that you (mostly as  console gamers) might have missed, made you wish you have it for PC or memories of playing some great games on PC over at mates house etc.
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Post by: TR0N on November 18, 2017, 06:03:39 PM
Great stuff as always.
Future episode suggestion: PC games. I would like to see a PC game episode from you guys. Could be vintage DOS games, older Windows games, Steam games or what have you. Stuff that you (mostly as  console gamers) might have missed, made you wish you have it for PC or memories of playing some great games on PC over at mates house etc.
They don't have the experience for retro PC games.So i don't see how they could cover it.
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Post by: turboswimbz on November 19, 2017, 09:06:58 AM
Great stuff as always.
Future episode suggestion: PC games. ..
They don't have the experience for retro PC games.So i don't see how they could cover it.

Maybe not, but they did touch on the sharpX68000.  And I could see them doing an episode(s) where they talk about newer games that feel retro, many of which are on PC/steam.
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Post by: TR0N on November 25, 2017, 06:31:02 PM
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Post by: BigusSchmuck on November 26, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
You guys really should do a episode on BAD arcade ports to consoles. Seriously, Timekillers and T-Mek are fine examples of porting going bad.
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Post by: Groover on November 27, 2017, 05:55:28 AM
I also enjoy the streaming.

Thanks for another great episode. You are really coming up with arcade games I missed over the years.

I agree that arcade games that got bad console ports could be interesting. I think it is amazing that Time Killers even got a port. I played that game on an arcade machine at an (IAAPA) Ammusement Convention. That was the only time I saw that game.
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Post by: majors on November 29, 2017, 01:53:32 AM
Crime Fighters was always a fav of mine. I love the "gritty" graphics/pixel art that is used. Also, the gun weapon was instant...no slow moving bullet going across the screen.

If you every get a chance to see it, Konami made a 2-on-2 basketball game called Punkshot that has a similar gfx vibe. I think the dedicated cab(design and side art) is prolly better than the actual game.
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Post by: seieienbu on November 29, 2017, 05:30:36 AM
There's a schizophrenic guy who comes to play at my arcade sometimes.  We have a mame cabinet that covers the bases of the jillions of games that we don't have.  Anyway, the guy shows up and plays Crime Fighters, makes some odd noises, beats it, then generally leaves.  I'd honestly never heard of the game before seeing him play it repeatedly. 
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Post by: seieienbu on January 21, 2018, 07:54:09 AM
An HD remaster of Shenmue is an odd thing.  Shenmue and Shenmue 2 are a couple of my favorite games of all time.  I have very fond memories of both.  I played Shenmue over Spring break during my first semester at College and was super excited for the sequel.  When I heard it was cancelled I was furious but later elated at the prospect of playing a European version instead. 

So, the HD Remaster?  I would personally love to play the games again in 16x9 on a higher resolution.  Aside from that, what I'd like most out of the game would be to have dual audio tracks with my choice of which language to play it in.  However?  Shenmue isn't for everyone and is very much a product of its time.  I actually think it would be to the benefit of Shenmue 3 to Not re-release the games.  At the very least, not to rerelease them far in advance of Shenmue 3.  As polarizing as the games were back then I can't see that many new players would play these games and become enthralled fans champing at the bit for the new Shenmue. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on January 21, 2018, 08:42:39 AM
Yeah Shenmue II working out the way it did was a blessing in disguise. The dub for the first was so bad, whereas playing the 2nd game subtitled was fantastic.

Also I definitely agree, they are really polarizing games. Someone made a really good post about it awhile back, I think it was Zeta. Saying that basically it will be impossible to appeal to the old fans and to make it a good new game, or something like that. I'm looking forward to Shenmue 3 though, just to see how it goes.
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Post by: sirhcman on January 21, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
So, the HD Remaster? 

A remake of Burning Rangers is at the top of my list
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Post by: TR0N on February 03, 2018, 06:28:06 PM
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Post by: Black Tiger on February 04, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
Mini Racers looks fun.
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Post by: Punch on February 04, 2018, 08:37:52 AM
The release of the GBC version of Resident Evil was lots of fun, I've "beaten" it as soon as it got out, you can actually get as far as the lab on that one, but IIRC there's no tyrant fight nor a way to get into the heliport. Wish they actually went forward and released it comercially, alongside the planned Dino Crisis one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on February 04, 2018, 09:41:28 AM
I wanted to play Propeller Arena back when it was supposed to come out.  I'd been a big fan of playing DC games online and that one looked like fun.  A couple of years later Crimson Skies on Xbox Live was a lot of fun and likely the better game so I considered that itch mostly scratched. 

I think a fun video might be one about Unreleased Game Consoles.  The obvious SNES CD springs to mind but you also have the Sega Neptune, Atari Panther, and maybe the Phantom or Coleco Chameleon.  Maybe there's enough stuff there for an episode, maybe not?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on February 04, 2018, 10:22:24 AM
I wanted to play Propeller Arena back when it was supposed to come out.  I'd been a big fan of playing DC games online and that one looked like fun.  A couple of years later Crimson Skies on Xbox Live was a lot of fun and likely the better game so I considered that itch mostly scratched. 

I think a fun video might be one about Unreleased Game Consoles.  The obvious SNES CD springs to mind but you also have the Sega Neptune, Atari Panther, and maybe the Phantom or Coleco Chameleon.  Maybe there's enough stuff there for an episode, maybe not?

Intellivision III, Odyssey 3, Konix whatever, M2...
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on February 04, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
What would a Game Sack episode of unreleased console even consist of? The only reason they can do "Unreleased games" is because of leaked roms. Would it just be an episode of going over specs of unreleased consoles or showing pictures of prototypes?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on February 04, 2018, 03:10:29 PM
What would a Game Sack episode of unreleased console even consist of? The only reason they can do "Unreleased games" is because of leaked roms. Would it just be an episode of going over specs of unreleased consoles or showing pictures of prototypes?

They could play any game ROM that works on an SD2SNES as long as it's in an SNES 101 inside a Jaguar shell. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Winniez on February 08, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
What would a Game Sack episode of unreleased console even consist of? The only reason they can do "Unreleased games" is because of leaked roms. Would it just be an episode of going over specs of unreleased consoles or showing pictures of prototypes?

'Game Sack? More like ballsack am I right?' :)
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Post by: TR0N on February 17, 2018, 06:13:30 PM
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Post by: Gypsy on March 18, 2018, 03:41:48 AM
Ready for dat msx price spike.  :derpcat:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Bloufo on March 18, 2018, 05:31:38 AM
Going in, I knew very little wrt the MSX. I didn't know quite what I was expecting, but to be honest, for me, this was a little underwhelming.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ccovell on March 18, 2018, 01:47:39 PM
Most of the western computing world / media was indeed underwhelmed when the MSX1 was announced, and Yamaha were left playing catch-up with their chipsets for the decade to follow.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 18, 2018, 02:42:29 PM
Going in, I knew very little wrt the MSX. I didn't know quite what I was expecting, but to be honest, for me, this was a little underwhelming.

Are you surprised?  It's made by someone who doesn't know enough about the MSX to make a 40 minute video, but made one anyways.

lol.

Didn't bother to watch, but I saw others griping about the lack of exclusive game coverage, and lack of other Konami  titles.

and I assume they dropped the ball on MicroCabin, T&E, and hardware stuff.

Par For The Course.

If you want to know about the MSX, you need to find out about it yourself, and from experienced people.


Most of the western computing world / media was indeed underwhelmed when the MSX1 was announced, and Yamaha were left playing catch-up with their chipsets for the decade to follow.

I think he was underwhelmed because of the video content quality, not the actual computer.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 18, 2018, 11:12:04 PM
Didn't bother to watch

 :-k

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Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 19, 2018, 08:44:11 AM
Didn't bother to watch

 :-k

(http://runt-of-the-web.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/introspective-pug.jpg)


If the rest of them, and MSX fans going "???" are any indication, I saved myself 40 minutes.

lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 19, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
Arkhan, it's okay to let your opinion be dependant on others.
No need to form your own.
Everything's okay.
Hush.



Anyway, guys, if you didn't know yet, there's an episode guide for every Game Sack episode:
http://www.gamesack.net/gamesack.html
Handy if you're searching for a specific game review (CTRL+F is your friend), as well as pointing out informative notes.

Also, there's rumour that Joe once hosted hidden porn content on his website for the "console browser reviews" episode exclusive to the blu-ray release of Game Sack Vol. 2, to test porn compatibility.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 20, 2018, 03:55:03 AM
Ready for dat msx price spike.  :derpcat:
What he said! Let's hope all the hipsters goto ebay to get gouged.

I'm actually looking at buying a MSX2. I mainly want it for playing carts, treating it like a console more than a computer at cons and events. I hope I can elude any price jump since most johnny-come-latelys will want the top of the line Turbo with all working parts. I can sneak in and get a beater unit for cheaps.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 20, 2018, 04:03:53 AM
I was actually checking out MSX2s a couple months ago. The funny thing now is one I have in my watch list went from something like 3-4 watchers to 14 since the video. eBay actually has a 15% off of anything code today so I might bite.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Rydeen on March 20, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
Ready for dat msx price spike.  :derpcat:
What he said! Let's hope all the hipsters goto ebay to get gouged.

I was actually checking out MSX2s a couple months ago. The funny thing now is one I have in my watch list went from something like 3-4 watchers to 14 since the video. eBay actually has a 15% off of anything code today so I might bite.

eBay has never been good in general for MSX items because it was never released in North America other than the two Yamaha models for synthesizer applications. Because it was never released here, the prices on eBay are all over the place, and usually way more than you'd find even in a brick and mortar store in Akihabara. My advice is to shop using Yahoo Japan Auctions and use a proxy service like Buyee to bid. Sure you're paying more for shipping and handling and the proxy compan Ys cut, but it evens out, you save a ton of money in the long run.

I just bought a working MSX HB-101 in fantastic condition from yahoo Japan all for the low low price of $21.52, not going to find one for that price on eBay.

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Post by: Gypsy on March 20, 2018, 02:46:32 PM
I've definitely got some deals on YAJ before. My main concern though is the buyer protection compared to eBay. Seems like so many of the MSX listed there are busted in some way. Also true on eBay I suppose lol.

How much do these things generally weigh? I know international shipping has went up considerably recently.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Rydeen on March 20, 2018, 06:02:24 PM
Buyer protection really comes down to the proxy you use, some are better (and charge more) than others. But again, I'd rather take a chance on an MSX priced at 20-30 bucks than the same one equivalent for $170+ on eBay.
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Post by: Gypsy on March 21, 2018, 04:09:29 AM
Honestly not seeing any in that range that are what I want. However there are definitely good deals to be had compared to eBay. There is one I have my eye on.

There is actually a really ghetto condition one for $10 that is an MSX2 but I'm really aiming to get one with a floppy drive. I believe this will be cheaper than buying the MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD. It's something I am keeping in mind though.

Edit again: There is a seller that has some bad feedback and uses stock photos that has a ton of MSX computers up. Not sure it's worth paying a little less to deal with that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 21, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Seems like so many of the MSX listed there are busted in some way.
That is my angle...shoot for a somewhat busted but as long as can play carts. I'm also trying for some MSX2 that has a neat design, some wow factor when running it at shows. The red MSX that Rydeen showed is cool but I'm really trying for a MSX2. The Sony F1(XD) with the red accent is nice, along with the Pana WSX that has an interesting design flare. I have a budget and will keep to it, it's not like I _need_ and old 8-bit computer...it's just for fun. Let's hope we do not bid against each other!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 21, 2018, 05:58:40 AM
If you let me know which one you want to bid on, I won't bid on it. I am looking mostly at SONY HB-F1XDs right now so there would be a chance lol.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 21, 2018, 04:36:53 PM
Arkhan, it's okay to let your opinion be dependant on others.
No need to form your own.
Everything's okay.
Hush.
Your gamesack apologist shit is kinda sad lol.   I'm pretty sure I've laid into Joe ITT. 

I've already formed enough of an opinion of Gamesack's (Mostly Joe's) quality from wasting time on their previous episodes, and getting into it with Joe on here about it to know not to waste my time on their crap anymore really.   They're like the "For Dummies" of game videos.   The people that pine for them typically remain dummies.

Having actual MSX people who were unfortunate enough to waste their time on the video (Because they aren't familiar with Gamesack) express my feelings just confirms that I indeed didn't need to spend 40 minutes.

Anyway,

Generally, MSXes from Japan for decent prices are fair to buy.

It's sometimes worth looking for the MSX2+ and paying a little extra.  With just an MSX2 alone, you need to buy an FM-PAC so you can get MSX-MUSIC capabilities (FM music).

Without it, you are missing out.

Shipping one here EMS generally runs around 110$ or so, depending on the model.  I've had some come for around 80$, and some for 110$.   Floppy drive ones cost more to ship, because they weigh more.

Models worth hunting for

All of these have disk drives.  If the belt was not replaced in the auctions you may find, getting a new belt and changing it isn't too hard:
Sony HBF1 series (MSX2: XD, XDmk2)   (MSX2+: XDJ, XV)
Panasonic FSA1-WX (MSX2+)
Sanyo Wavy PHC-70FD (MSX2+)
Toshiba HX-34 (MSX2)

All of these don't, and will require a floppy interface like a NoWind, or the new SCC MegaFlash ROM SD cart:
Sony HBF1
Toshiba HX-23
Sanyo Wavys of any variety (The blue Wavy23 is juicy)

You can also scope out a Sony HB-F700 or F900 (with digitizer unit) if you want to feel badass.

Do not buy a TurboR unless you find it cheap, or are into wasting money.   They're basically useless unless you are hardcore into MSX.

Any MSX2 will require an FM cartridge.  They range between 30-60$ usually.


There are some decent MSX groups on Facebook worth joining.  MSX.org is not so good despite being the only real forum.  It's not worth explaining in detail in this thread.   It's at least 15 years of self mutilation from a ton of Europeans who know each other IRL and can't sort their bullshit out enough to stop being cunts to each other, basically.

MSX Computer Fanland is my group.  I was trying to keep it stateside (since we need that, since MSX wasn't a thing here, and having mostly europeans around makes buy/selling a bit of a pain).

yeahbuddy
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 21, 2018, 07:03:27 PM
So, why didn't you helped him with the episode to make it more acceptable by your standards?
That info you just posted would have really helped.
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Post by: Arkhan on March 21, 2018, 07:16:25 PM
So, why didn't you helped him with the episode to make it more acceptable by your standards?
That info you just posted would have really helped.

He didn't ask.  He's probably not attentive enough to realize I even like or know anything about the MSX.  Or have developed a game for it.

We're talking about the dude who asked what Mysterious Song was AFTER it released, and had to ask us for ideas about ninja games like it's that hard to f*ckin google "ninja video games" and figure it out, lol.

Am I supposed to watch them closely for their next move, and offer (free) assistance to two dudes who can't do their own homework properly for their paid YouTube channel / show?

f*ck that.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 22, 2018, 01:49:19 AM
Thank you very much for teh info dump arkhan. Wasn't planning to f*ck around with Turbo R (looks like the SuperGrafx of MSX perhaps?) but the info about the FM cart for example, I did not know about that.

Also yeah...Europeans...nuff said... :derpcat:
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on March 22, 2018, 02:10:44 AM
Joe sucks, gamesack sucks, and people that enjoy Gamesack suck.  I'm not going to waste my time with 'em..... other than to troll this thread and tell everyone they suck.

LOL
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on March 22, 2018, 04:29:26 AM
Thank you very much for teh info dump arkhan.
Ditto.

Ark, any advice for RGB? Just stick to ones with that 8-pin DIN?

And you're right about that blue 23J...very distinguished.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 22, 2018, 07:21:19 AM
I actually didn't think it was a bad "Intro to common games" for MSX.  Being a total MSX clue free knuckle head anyway, the episode was fine and showed off a couple cool looking games.

The MSX community is what's killing gaming. Just scientific fact.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 22, 2018, 07:48:37 AM
I actually didn't think it was a bad "Intro to common games" for MSX.  Being a total MSX clue free knuckle head anyway, the episode was fine and showed off a couple cool looking games.

The MSX community is what's killing gaming. Just scientific fact.

Looks about as bad as the Neo and PCE communities, from an early glance lol. Which isn't to bash this forum by any means, but taking into account to whole of the PCE scene including the fb groups.

I snagged a SONY HB-F1XD off YAJ so at this point exact peripheral and whatsit recommendations are welcome.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on March 22, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
I'm willing to bet that all gaming communities for less popular systems are mostly in the same boat at this point.  It seems like these things are about a pissing contest between people that don't have any actual attachment to the stuff they're trying to one-up each other over.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on March 22, 2018, 11:25:13 AM
So, why didn't you helped him with the episode to make it more acceptable by your standards?
That info you just posted would have really helped.

He didn't ask.  He's probably not attentive enough to realize I even like or know anything about the MSX.  Or have developed a game for it.

^^This. But honestly even if I did know, I wouldn't have asked YOU because of your always-pissy attitude towards me or anything I do. I truly do not believe you could be friendly towards me, especially if you knew your PCEFX peers knew about it. Hell, even if the episode was 3 hours long, included all of the info you presented and met the ALL standards of the elite collectors, any possible positive feedback you'd give the episode would surely be in the form of a backhanded compliment, at best. It's who you are.

But what people need to realize is that this episode wasn't made for people who already know everything about the system. Nor can we possibly include every game worth mentioning (nor should we). There's always the future. I don't know everything about the system and you know what? That's OK. I'm always willing to learn more. And I will. But I don't think I represented the console poorly. I never felt it was our best episode but it's not bad. I'm not gonna make any excuses for it though and I'm happy with it. I'm asking people for lots of feedback both in the video and in the comments section on which games to include next time. Lots of great responses so far! The video is doing well and people are enjoying it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 22, 2018, 12:09:37 PM
Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Keith Courage on March 22, 2018, 01:35:57 PM
On a positive note, I don't think I've ever seen a game sack episode that I didn't like. Basically I like watching people talk about video games with some game footage being thrown in. Doesn't matter to me what the games are or if all the back info/history about a game system is mentioned or not. I'm not watching youtube for a big history or technical specifications lesson. I just like discussion about old game systems and the games for them. With this being said, I've never been let down.

I'm not playing Musha...This isn't Musha. hah
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on March 22, 2018, 01:45:00 PM
I used to love Game Sack's videos.  But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched.  They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Rydeen on March 22, 2018, 01:56:29 PM
Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 22, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.

Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.

I used to love Game Sack's videos.  But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched.  They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.

Not sure if serious.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 22, 2018, 04:31:19 PM
^^This. But honestly even if I did know, I wouldn't have asked YOU because of your always-pissy attitude towards me or anything I do.
Actually, this delivery here, is part of why I don't like you.   You have always been a dicktip towards me, and I finally started returning the favor, years ago.

When PCEFX went down way back when, your dumb ass added me on FB.  You sent a friend request.

Then, in various posts, you were suddenly baffled that we were friends, and went "why do I have YOU on here", acted like a moron, and unfriended me.  Just like you did here.  Just like you tend to do.  I got tired of it, and your seemingly wanton obtuseness, and decided "f*ck this guy".

So, stop blaming me like it's 100% my fault I'm an a$$hole to you.

You get what you give.

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I truly do not believe you could be friendly towards me, especially if you knew your PCEFX peers knew about it. Hell, even if the episode was 3 hours long, included all of the info you presented and met the ALL standards of the elite collectors, any possible positive feedback you'd give the episode would surely be in the form of a backhanded compliment, at best. It's who you are.

Actually, I could, but the problem is, whenever I tried to, you continued being a dipshit.  It was like you'd never heard of these things called "fun" and "jokes" before and made an ass of yourself.   Other people even told you to calm the hell down before you ended up getting booted out of one of the FB groups over it.

Which is pretty much why a bunch of us laugh about it, and is part of how the whole YOU GOT GAMESACKED, BITCH thing even started.

Hey, at least you unblocked me.  That's a step in the right direction.  Don't trip.

Joe sucks, gamesack sucks, and people that enjoy Gamesack suck.  I'm not going to waste my time with 'em..... other than to troll this thread and tell everyone they suck.
LOL

Hell yeah. 


Thank you very much for teh info dump arkhan.
Ditto.

Ark, any advice for RGB? Just stick to ones with that 8-pin DIN?

And you're right about that blue 23J...very distinguished.

For RGB, if you get a Toshiba, you get to go on a magical adventure to make your own cable if you can't find one or get it with the machine. 

It uses a fancy Hirose connector that you can still buy, but is for like medical equipment.

Sony/Panasonic use DINs and are simpler.   Most people stick to those, and the cables are easy to find and/or make because the connector isn't 15 f*cking dollars.

but, the Toshiba HX-34 looks 100% cooler.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Rydeen on March 22, 2018, 08:55:12 PM
Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.

Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.

Sure

https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/fm-pak
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 22, 2018, 09:25:22 PM
I used to love Game Sack's videos.  But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched.  They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.
These systems had their chance BITD, and they failed.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 23, 2018, 01:47:13 AM
Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.

Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.

Sure

https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/fm-pak

Tyvm.

@Ark: Wow that Toshiba HX-34 looks incredibly cool to an old dork like myself.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 23, 2018, 02:55:57 AM
on the next episode of gamehuggers:

Ark and Joe hug it out.


Edit: What the f*ck is gamehuggers?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 23, 2018, 10:13:33 AM
Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.

Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.

Sure

https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/fm-pak

Tyvm.

@Ark: Wow that Toshiba HX-34 looks incredibly cool to an old dork like myself.

I used an HX-34 and FM PAC to develop infernooooo


Also, those recent re-do FM-Pac swap ins are generally OK AFAIK, but I can't remember which one off hand had some sound issues.

It was either a recent one, or it might have been an oldddd one.   

I just stick to an actual FM PAC instead.   They used to be cheaper back when I got one. 

Unfortunately, with the MSX community's Euro-dipshittery, some of the more knowledgeable people about that bit of things basically sit on IRC only to share info, which is super counter productive.   I keep telling them to get on Facebook, but they keep saying no, Zuckerbergs an a$$hole and something about privacy.

It sucks.  They're missing out on an opportunity to help inform people of things outside of the shitheap that is MSX.org.

 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 23, 2018, 10:55:52 AM
Yeah the official one is a lot, but I might splurge later on buyee (sure not happening on eBay). For now I'm just gonna play games when it comes in. Speaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Rydeen on March 24, 2018, 01:06:44 PM
Speaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

Do they have a release date for the physical version yet? I don't know if I want to just buy a ROM to put on a disk if they are releasing a physical cartridge soon.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 24, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
Speaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

Do they have a release date for the physical version yet? I don't know if I want to just buy a ROM to put on a disk if they are releasing a physical cartridge soon.

If you buy the ROM, I subtract the ROM price from the cartridge price when you buy the cartridge.

I am leaving for Japan in like 6 hours and will start putting more Infernos together when I get home in mid April.

The first 20 went to Japan. 

and I'll be ordering parts to make more.

I'm the developer for Inferno, btw. 


is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

No lol.  It's like PSG SFX + the portions of the song I layered in with PSG to make some leads sound better.

It's playable but it sounds stupid.  There are no drums, or bass.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 24, 2018, 03:35:05 PM
Ah okay. I have no problem just buying the rom honestly, I've got floppies, good enough for me. Probably buying a Midi Pac too, we will see. Need to wait for the thing itself to come in first, before I start buying more shit.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Rydeen on March 24, 2018, 03:46:27 PM
Speaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

Do they have a release date for the physical version yet? I don't know if I want to just buy a ROM to put on a disk if they are releasing a physical cartridge soon.

If you buy the ROM, I subtract the ROM price from the cartridge price when you buy the cartridge.

I am leaving for Japan in like 6 hours and will start putting more Infernos together when I get home in mid April.

The first 20 went to Japan. 

and I'll be ordering parts to make more.

I'm the developer for Inferno, btw.

Cool, I'll order it after my FM PAC arrives in anticipation of the cartridge then.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Arkhan on March 24, 2018, 06:31:22 PM
Ah okay. I have no problem just buying the rom honestly, I've got floppies, good enough for me. Probably buying a Midi Pac too, we will see. Need to wait for the thing itself to come in first, before I start buying more shit.


You can't put the ROM on a floppy really, lol.

It uses an ASCII memory mapper and stuff.

But if you have a Megaflash cart that'll work
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 25, 2018, 05:46:59 AM
Yeah I should probably get one of those. Is much gained from getting the one with 2 SD card slots instead of 1?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: xelement5x on March 25, 2018, 03:30:00 PM
I used an HX-34 and FM PAC to develop infernooooo


Also, those recent re-do FM-Pac swap ins are generally OK AFAIK, but I can't remember which one off hand had some sound issues.

It was either a recent one, or it might have been an oldddd one.   

I just stick to an actual FM PAC instead.   They used to be cheaper back when I got one. 

Unfortunately, with the MSX communit Ys Euro-dipshittery, some of the more knowledgeable people about that bit of things basically sit on IRC only to share info, which is super counter productive.   I keep telling them to get on Facebook, but they keep saying no, Zuckerbergs an a$$hole and something about privacy.

It sucks.  They're missing out on an opportunity to help inform people of things outside of the shitheap that is MSX.org.

 

Unfortunately, with the MSX communit Ys Euro-dipshittery, some of the more knowledgeable people about that bit of things basically sit on IRC only to share info, which is super counter productive.   I keep telling them to get on Facebook, but they keep saying no, Zuckerbergs an a$$hole and something about privacy.

Unfortunately, with the MSX communit Ys Euro-dipshittery,

C'mon, it should not be that hard to make a word filter that only turns  Y APSOSTROPHE S into Ys when there are not preceding letters. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 25, 2018, 03:36:21 PM
So yeah shipping ended up being $82. Livable. Wasn't going to cheap out and not do EMS for like $12 less.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 25, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
C'mon, it should not be that hard to make a word filter that only turns  Y APSOSTROPHE S into Ys when there are not preceding letters.
I just sent a PM to NightWolve.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on March 27, 2018, 08:16:11 AM
I used to love Game Sack's videos.  But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched.  They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.

Not sure if serious.
Yup, totally serious.  There's plenty of good stuff on both systems, and the Lynx especially had a great library.  The Lynx has easily the best ratio of great games to shit game of any console I've played.  It has dozens of fantastic arcade ports and some nice exclusives.  There are a handful of lousy games for it, but by and large it's a great handheld, was way ahead of its time, and deserved to succeed much better than it did.

The Jag is one of those consoles that lots of people have never played but think they know enough to bash it anyway.  Of course they're free to do so, just like I'm free to disregard their opinion when I hear that.  There's a lot of awful games on the Jaguar.  If Game Sack wants to review those and bash them, they're free to do so.  But they should still recognize the good games, and they don't.  They just treat the Jag like a garbage system.


These systems had their chance BITD, and they failed.
Just like the Turbo in the US?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Necromancer on March 27, 2018, 08:33:27 AM
Just like the Turbo in the US?

It didn't do that well in NA, true, but it's not really the same thing.  The Jag and Lynx didn't have a highly successful run in JP.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 27, 2018, 09:09:02 AM
I didn't like anything I played on the Jaguar. :/
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 27, 2018, 09:14:33 AM
Oh and I'll have the MSX soon so I was wondering Ark (or anyone that would know) do I need a voltage converter of any kind or am I good to go? I haven't had anything Japanese that's this old so I just wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Winniez on March 27, 2018, 09:33:21 AM
Oh and I'll have the MSX soon so I was wondering Ark (or anyone that would know) do I need a voltage converter of any kind or am I good to go? I haven't had anything Japanese that's this old so I just wanted to make sure.

You should be ok in the North America but in the long run I would go with a transformer, just to be safe.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Winniez on March 27, 2018, 09:37:59 AM
Lynx indeed has a suprisingly strong library, relatively speaking. With Jaguar I'm not so sure, can't think of a single game to get the Jaguar for. Id ports are great though, but I would never want to play those games on anything other than PC. The Jag has some good stuff but there are just better ways to play those games.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on March 27, 2018, 10:19:32 AM
Yup, totally serious.  There's plenty of good stuff on both systems, and the Lynx especially had a great library.  The Lynx has easily the best ratio of great games to shit game of any console I've played.  It has dozens of fantastic arcade ports and some nice exclusives.  There are a handful of lousy games for it, but by and large it's a great handheld, was way ahead of its time, and deserved to succeed much better than it did.


Lol, somebody had a Lynx growing up.

It's funny to see how much nostalgia affects someone's perspective. If you hold a NES vs 7800 poll on Atari Age, the 7800 wins hands down, but go literally anywhere else and post that same poll. I guarantee the 7800 loses every single time. For someone who isn't a fan of either, it's easy to see which console was superior, but those nostalgia glasses are awful rosy.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on March 28, 2018, 02:09:03 AM
Lol, somebody had a Lynx growing up.

It's funny to see how much nostalgia affects someone's perspective. If you hold a NES vs 7800 poll on Atari Age, the 7800 wins hands down, but go literally anywhere else and post that same poll. I guarantee the 7800 loses every single time. For someone who isn't a fan of either, it's easy to see which console was superior, but those nostalgia glasses are awful rosy.
There's really no defense against this argument.  No matter what I say about the Lynx, you could always attribute it to nostalgia.  And there's no way to prove you wrong, just like you can't prove I'm blinded by nostalgia.  But many people who actually have played the Lynx come away from it impressed and wondering why it didn't catch on.  Many of the games are consistently well-reviewed.  And it still has a significant fanbase today, with new games being released every year.

As far as the 7800 vs NES, there's plenty of love for the NES at AtariAge.  I don't go to the 7800 portion of the forum, but I have been a member of AtariAge for many years and I've never noticed any unusual feelings toward the NES.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on March 28, 2018, 02:17:26 AM
Just like the Turbo in the US?

It didn't do that well in NA, true, but it's not really the same thing.  The Jag and Lynx didn't have a highly successful run in JP.
It's not the same thing, no.  But I think the comparison to the Turbo's performance in the West is absolutely relevant.  Clearly the Turbo is a good system with lots of good software.  It failed in the West due to problems unrelated to the quality of the console and games.  Why is it such a stretch to say the same phenomenon is possible with other platforms?

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue that the Jaguar is a great system.  It had potential, but a ton of terrible games and a lack of enough good ones sunk its chances.  It did have good games and even a few great ones, but it had some serious issues.  My issue with the Jaguar on Game Sack is that they don't even give the good games a chance. 

The Lynx really was a great system though.  It didn't catch on, and Atari's marketing for it was terrible, but when we look at it retrospectively we need to look at the games as they are/were.  Terrible marketing isn't something we should consider when we rate a game - we just rate the game on its own merits.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 28, 2018, 02:18:49 AM
Lol, somebody had a Lynx growing up.

It's funny to see how much nostalgia affects someone's perspective. If you hold a NES vs 7800 poll on Atari Age, the 7800 wins hands down, but go literally anywhere else and post that same poll. I guarantee the 7800 loses every single time. For someone who isn't a fan of either, it's easy to see which console was superior, but those nostalgia glasses are awful rosy.
There's really no defense against this argument.  No matter what I say about the Lynx, you could always attribute it to nostalgia.  And there's no way to prove you wrong, just like you can't prove I'm blinded by nostalgia.  But many people who actually have played the Lynx come away from it impressed and wondering why it didn't catch on.  Many of the games are consistently well-reviewed.  And it still has a significant fanbase today, with new games being released every year.

As far as the 7800 vs NES, there's plenty of love for the NES at AtariAge.  I don't go to the 7800 portion of the forum, but I have been a member of AtariAge for many years and I've never noticed any unusual feelings toward the NES.

I can see the point on nostalgia or memories from gamings past being an opinion altering factor, but it also works both ways. I always grew up thinking "why on earth would anyone play the Atari Jag?" because I made, what I considered a mistake, and purchased one on clearance with a handful of games and basically wrote it off as a complete failure.  But now, in my wise old age, I have been randomly snatching up single Jag games every few months and shockingly enjoying it!  I picked up Ultra Vortek and Ruiner Pinball recently and actually find them pretty awesome!

As for the Lynx, I don't know exactly how someone can deny that it has a pretty good library of games. Especially when you play them side by side with Game Gear or GameBoy games.  I still enjoy playing titles like California Games (best version IMO), Dracula, Batman Returns, and even the port of Slime World which I think is better than the Genesis port. It was full of great games!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Zero_Gamer on March 28, 2018, 09:19:56 AM
Lol, somebody had a Lynx growing up.

It's funny to see how much nostalgia affects someone's perspective. If you hold a NES vs 7800 poll on Atari Age, the 7800 wins hands down, but go literally anywhere else and post that same poll. I guarantee the 7800 loses every single time. For someone who isn't a fan of either, it's easy to see which console was superior, but those nostalgia glasses are awful rosy.
There's really no defense against this argument.  No matter what I say about the Lynx, you could always attribute it to nostalgia.  And there's no way to prove you wrong, just like you can't prove I'm blinded by nostalgia.  But many people who actually have played the Lynx come away from it impressed and wondering why it didn't catch on.  Many of the games are consistently well-reviewed.  And it still has a significant fanbase today, with new games being released every year.

As far as the 7800 vs NES, there's plenty of love for the NES at AtariAge.  I don't go to the 7800 portion of the forum, but I have been a member of AtariAge for many years and I've never noticed any unusual feelings toward the NES.

I can see the point on nostalgia or memories from gamings past being an opinion altering factor, but it also works both ways. I always grew up thinking "why on earth would anyone play the Atari Jag?" because I made, what I considered a mistake, and purchased one on clearance with a handful of games and basically wrote it off as a complete failure.  But now, in my wise old age, I have been randomly snatching up single Jag games every few months and shockingly enjoying it!  I picked up Ultra Vortek and Ruiner Pinball recently and actually find them pretty awesome!

As for the Lynx, I don't know exactly how someone can deny that it has a pretty good library of games. Especially when you play them side by side with Game Gear or GameBoy games.  I still enjoy playing titles like California Games (best version IMO), Dracula, Batman Returns, and even the port of Slime World which I think is better than the Genesis port. It was full of great games!
Lynx Slime World is the best version hands down. Turbo Express excluded,  I also agree that the Lynx was the best handheld for the time.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on March 28, 2018, 09:57:57 AM
Now I gotta watch the Jag and Lynx episodes to see how funny they are. :p
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on March 28, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
The problem with the Lynx is more with the hardware than it's games. Sure, it was cool upon release, but even then, it was bulky and the awful battery life, along with it's price, didn't do it any favors. I hope to one day own another one, but have it modded, as it really is powerful hardware that can do some impressive stuff for it's time, and has a lot of fun games.

I've never had the Jaguar, so can't comment much there, but I remember always thinking that I'd rather wait for real next gen hardware than get one. There was nothing exciting about it, and even today, when I have pretty much every console ever released (sans current gen), there is nothing that makes me feel like I'm missing out.

In any case, boycotting a show, just because they don't share your same opinions seems very obtuse to me. IMO Game Sack is just fun, and not meant as a definitive source for anything. It's just a couple of relatable nerds talking about games...no need to take it more serious than that.

Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on March 28, 2018, 04:03:08 PM
In any case, boycotting a show, just because they don't share your same opinions seems very obtuse to me. IMO Game Sack is just fun, and not meant as a definitive source for anything. It's just a couple of relatable nerds talking about games...no need to take it more serious than that.
If I boycotted every show that presented a difference of opinion, I suppose you could call me obtuse.  But this is a little different.  I stopped watching one show because of its hosts' repeatedly ignorant views.  It's not like I'm going to run out of the room the next time I see somebody watching Game Sack.  It's just that there are better sources for retro gaming YouTube channels out there.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on March 28, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
I personally wouldn't make any parallel between the Turbo and Jaguar. During the dawn of 16 bit, the decision between Genesis or Turbo was a tough one...heck, I remember the Turbo just having more (good) games to begin with, but the future of the Genesis seemed more promising (even with Turbo CD on the horizon). Hardware wise, it was close, with each system having its own strengths and weaknesses, but being somewhat comparable.

All of my serious gamer friends at the time wanted one as well, so if we had been rich, we would've gotten both. Being poor teenagers, you had to make those choices... Anyway, Sega won that battle due to already having some brand recognition and once sports games with big names started to come out( and later, with Sonic and SNES). It wasn't due to bad hardware, lack of killer apps, complete gamer apathy, etc.

Basically, even with the modest sales numbers, the Turbo wasn't a complete failure in the West. It was the victim of a much smaller user base of serious gamers having to make decisions in order to move to next gen. Younger kids stayed with Nintendo, while most older kids/adults decided to go with Sega (or hold on for SNES).

The Jaguar came out and immediately seemed like a step down from all other next gen systems, either already out or in the pipeline. Even at the cheaper price, it was obvious that it was going to fail. No killer app, no software that showed off the hardware, an unappealing, backward thinking controller, lack of 3rd party support and excitement. You name an area, and the Jaguar was underwhelming in that front.

The Jaguar might be cool if you like esoteric consoles, might have a lot of untapped potential, heck, it might have some good games and we should all add it to our collections. But it was a failure, perhaps one of the biggest in console history. The Turbo, besides having underwhelming sales numbers in the US, was not a failure in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: crazydean on March 28, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
In any case, boycotting a show, just because they don't share your same opinions seems very obtuse to me. IMO Game Sack is just fun, and not meant as a definitive source for anything. It's just a couple of relatable nerds talking about games...no need to take it more serious than that.
If I boycotted every show that presented a difference of opinion, I suppose you could call me obtuse.  But this is a little different.  I stopped watching one show because of its hosts' repeatedly ignorant views.  It's not like I'm going to run out of the room the next time I see somebody watching Game Sack.  It's just that there are better sources for retro gaming YouTube channels out there.

Agreed. That Metal Jesus Rocks is much more informative than Game Sack.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 29, 2018, 07:57:33 AM
In any case, boycotting a show, just because they don't share your same opinions seems very obtuse to me. IMO Game Sack is just fun, and not meant as a definitive source for anything. It's just a couple of relatable nerds talking about games...no need to take it more serious than that.
If I boycotted every show that presented a difference of opinion, I suppose you could call me obtuse.  But this is a little different.  I stopped watching one show because of its hosts' repeatedly ignorant views.  It's not like I'm going to run out of the room the next time I see somebody watching Game Sack.  It's just that there are better sources for retro gaming YouTube channels out there.

Agreed. That Metal Jesus Rocks is much more informative than Game Sack.

you HAVE to be trolling here.  Well done.

Also, you guys did know that GameSack initially started as a mockery of other people's Youtube review shows?  It just so happens that Joe's GameSack videos got way more attention than the videos he actually worked hard on! it caught on, Joe kept doing them and here we are... lol
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Winniez on March 30, 2018, 08:24:01 AM
In general I do like Gamesack, good production values and just two blokes having a fun banter about games. And they actually dare to have opinions, sometimes even against the general consensus. Could do without the game value references though.

Something like Metal Jesus feels really bland to me, everything is always so awesome and cool. Can't stand the hidden gem thing either. I have nothing against the guy but the channel is just not for me.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on March 30, 2018, 09:42:39 AM
Metal Jesus has actually gotten a lot better once he started bringing in guests that at least knew a little bit about what they are talking about. He has also gotten better in front of the camera, so I don't immediately skip his videos when they autoplay like  I used to do when I just couldn't bear his awkwardness and general ignorance towards console gaming.

It is a channel geared more towards collectors, so I don't relate to most of those peeps very much, but it has definitely gotten more likeable recently.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TR0N on March 31, 2018, 07:05:57 PM
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: ClodBuster on March 31, 2018, 11:15:02 PM
Every Youtube show that has episodes with more than 20 minutes of content and does not make me fall asleep within that time should be awarded with an Emmy or something.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Gypsy on April 01, 2018, 01:52:57 AM
So I watched the Jag episode and felt it was fair. Couldn't find the Lynx episode.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: TDIRunner on April 02, 2018, 08:19:29 AM
They've never done a Lynx episode.  However, they have reviewed 4 different Lynx games during 4 different episodes. 
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on April 02, 2018, 12:22:19 PM
So I watched the Jag episode and felt it was fair. Couldn't find the Lynx episode.

Yeah, they covered Raiden, Iron Soldier, Tempest 2000 and AvP. So serious question, besides those, what are the "good" Jaguar games? Protector, Missile Command 3D? Anything that somebody would consider a system seller?
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Black Tiger on April 02, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
The Jaguar has a lot of games which are generally considered good, but are available on other consoles. It has the kind of library that ignorant people insist the PC Engine needed.

There are still some neat exclusives which are enjoyable to experience, like Super Burnout, Atari Karts and Power Drive Rally, but the library is mainly for hardcore classic console gamers who appreciate unique versions of games and aesthetics like chiptunes.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 02, 2018, 06:26:38 PM
We haven't done a Lynx episode but I really liked Blue Lightning on a real Lynx. The only way we could do an episode now, of course, is via emulation. As for the Jag yeah there are a few decent games on it and a few I'd still like to try (Rayman, Super Burnout, the other ones Black Tiger mentioned, etc) but overall nothing that makes me compelled to own one. I hear they are working on a decent flash cart for it finally so maybe that will tempt me.

PS - The Jag CD was awful. I had a friend who had it and the Blue Lighting game on that was much worse than the one on the Lynx. I couldn't believe it.

EDIT: I could just see someone complaining "The PC Engine sucks because it needs more games like the Jaguar had". That legit wouldn't surprise me. And it absolutely amuses me!
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on April 03, 2018, 03:42:47 AM
So serious question, besides those, what are the "good" Jaguar games?
Probably not the best forum to ask that question.

MGC was started out for "Jagfest" and there is always a small outpost of rabid fans with a few systems running, I bet they would tout the Jags merits. Personally, T2K is the only reason to own one.

One of the early Jaguar emulators was called "PT"...short for Project Tempest. It seems the programmers just wanted to play Tempest :)
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: nopepper on April 03, 2018, 04:29:13 AM
It has the kind of library that ignorant people insist the PC Engine needed.

EDIT: I could just see someone complaining "The PC Engine sucks because it needs more games like the Jaguar had". That legit wouldn't surprise me. And it absolutely amuses me!

I'm not sure if these statements compute...You mean to tell me that some of these "rabid fans" actually think the Jaguar library is superior to the PCE?

Probably not the best forum to ask that question.

MGC was started out for "Jagfest" and there is always a small outpost of rabid fans with a few systems running, I bet they would tout the Jags merits. Personally, T2K is the only reason to own one.

Man, I will not join another forum just to ask this question, as I have very little interest in the Jaguar. Besides, there is at least one of these fans in these forums (Pfloydguy2), who can hopefully answer my questions.

Right now, my curiosity has been piqued as to why there are "rabid fans" for a system that has always looked like almost complete garbage to me. Am I missing something? Are these rabid fans just mostly peeps who grew up with Atari and thus migrated to the Jaguar? Is it because its very easy to develop for and has a healthy homebrew scene (which has been my impression since the early 2000s).

Also, I was never a huge fan of the original Tempest in the arcades, so the excitement for Tempest 2000 was lost on me. Super Burnout looks like a decent super scaler ripoff...that is probably the most appealing game I've seen for the Jaguar so far. <shrugs>
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: seieienbu on April 03, 2018, 07:41:44 AM
lol Project Tempest is the only Jaguar emulator I've ever used.  I downloaded it when I wanted to play Tempest one night while my Jaguar was somewhere else.

I always thought Battlesphere sounded cool.  The idea of a 16 (I think?) player game on the Jaguar seemed both unlikely to ever happen but something I wanted to see at some point.

The Jaguar definitely isn't my favorite console but I think it has enough unique games that it's worth a look from anyone who's never given it one.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 03, 2018, 12:53:03 PM
Yeah I think if a proper flash cart does indeed come out I'll pick one up along with some RGB SCARTz. I don't want to actively collect for it.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: majors on April 04, 2018, 02:13:50 AM
Right now, my curiosity has been piqued as to why there are "rabid fans" for a system that has always looked like almost complete garbage to me. Am I missing something?
I do not think you are missing anything. I have no love for Jag(but I did repair one last week for a buddy who run a games store, that in the past 6 months have sold 3 Jags). As for the fans' fever for it, I think it's like you said...hardcore Atari fans with the bonus of a decent homebrew scene.

To be fair, I was working Babbages for the Jag launch...it never seemed to have taken a foot hold in the market, even 3do sold better and had better game line up. I'm not a Atari hater by any means...I love my Lynx but I'm first to admit it has a limited library of games I enjoy.

Sounds like you've got the itch already, only solution is to EMU or get a console to scratch that itch.
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on April 04, 2018, 02:48:01 AM
So I watched the Jag episode and felt it was fair. Couldn't find the Lynx episode.

It's been awhile since I watched most of their stuff.  I believe they mention the Lynx and Lynx games in a few episodes, but as Joe mentioned, there isn't a dedicated Lynx episode.

I went back and watched the Jaguar episode again last week, to see if maybe I was just remembering things poorly.  It seemed obvious from the beginning of the episode that both guys assumed the Jag was a joke.  Some things stuck out to me as bad information, like when Joe said Wolfenstein 3D on the Jag didn't look any better than the other versions.  The Jag version (and I think the Mac and 3D0 ones maybe?) had a significant graphical upgrade over the PC version and most others.  The difference is quite obvious when you compare them side by side.  It's just things like that that give the impression they didn't do their homework and thus didn't give the Jag a fair analysis.

Yeah, they covered Raiden, Iron Soldier, Tempest 2000 and AvP. So serious question, besides those, what are the "good" Jaguar games? Protector, Missile Command 3D? Anything that somebody would consider a system seller?

I wouldn't consider anything on the Jag a system seller today.  I thought Alien vs. Predator was phenomenal back in its time, but that's the closest the Jag has to a system seller.  AvP really hasn't aged well.  The framerate is really choppy, but it was incredibly immersive in 1994.

So ignoring that and Tempest 2000, Iron Soldier, and Raiden, I'd recommend the following:

Rayman.  It's graphically comparable to the Playstation and Saturn ports, but those versions added some features that made the game frustratingly difficult to play, like slippery surfaces.  I find the difficulty in the Jag version very well-balanced.  If anything, it's a bit on the easy side, as I usually have tons of lives saved up by the end of the game.  I want to like the Playstation version, but it's just frustratingly tough by the second area.  The later versions have a CD-quality soundtrack with largely ambient background music.  The Jag's soundtrack is midi, and it's much more melodic than the PS1/Saturn soundtrack.  I really prefer the Jag's soundtrack, but maybe I'm the only one.

Syndicate.  I don't usually get into the 3/4 overhead "god games," but I adore Syndicate.  It's not a technological marvel, but it's quite a bit more advanced than the SNES and Genesis versions.  It makes good use of the Jag's keypad.  Originally a PC game with keyboard controls, it presents a bit of a challenge in porting to a console, because the commands all need to be mapped to a controller.  I've never played the SNES/Genesis versions, but from what I've read, it sounds like some of the game's features had to be removed due to control restrictions.  The Jag version is quite fun, with a good deal of depth, although plenty of Jag fans don't care for it.

Doom.  There are a lot of better options for Doom in 2018, but the Jag version was impressive in its time.  The Jag port was programmed by John Carmack himself.  It runs faster than most of the ports of the 1990s and has a better lighting engine, and most of the early console ports were based on the Jag version's code.  Carmack wasn't able to get the soundtrack playing during the levels without compromising the Jag's performance, so the soundtrack plays between stages, which is a big drawback.  Some people say they prefer to play the game without music as it's more immersive, but without the option to turn it on or off, I can only consider it a loss.  The Jag port also has scaled-down levels, missing levels, and no Cyberdemon, Spectres, or Spider Mastermind, and also no blur artifact (invisibility) or night-vision goggles.  Still, it's a great game on the Jag, even if it's been surpassed in years since.

Wolfenstein 3D.  Jag Wolfenstein is one of the best ports and among the best games on the system, in my opinion.  It looks great compared to the PC and SNES versions.  It runs very smoothly, although the Game Sack guys thought it ran too fast if I recall correctly.  I never had any issues with it being too fast and have played through it several times.  The Jag version added two weapons, a flamethrower and a rocket launcher.  Jag Wolfenstein also has an in-game map.  I don't think the PC or SNES versions did, but I could be wrong about that.

Battle Sphere / Battle Sphere Gold.  This came out after the commercial life of the Jag, but it's a good example of the Jag's power.  It's a space combat game with a ton of depth and the ability to play against 15 other people with the system link.  Unfortunately, it's stupidly expensive ($1500-ish), as if it wasn't already impossible to find 15 other Jag owners nearby.

Super Burnout.  I haven't played this a ton, but it's a very well-done motorcycle racer, and both super fast and silky smooth.  Some fans list this as the best game on the Jag.  But if you're not into racing games, Super Burnout isn't going to change your mind.

Zool 2.  This game is solid, but not brilliant.  It's a mascot platformer that plays a little too fast for its own good, and for some awful reason jump has been mapped to both an action button and Up on the D-pad.  But I've gotten plenty of fun out of it.  The soundtrack is really catchy and the graphics are gorgeous for 1994.

Ultra Vortek.  Game Sack really ripped into Ultra Vortek, but it's a solid fighter.  It unashamedly rips off Mortal Kombat, but that doesn't make it a bad game.  Graphically it's pretty nice and it controls very well with a variety of moves and character types.  It doesn't offer anything too original, but it's still a good game.  I'm not huge into the 1 on 1 fighting game genre, so I can't comment on the depth of the gameplay.

NBA Jam TE.  The Jag version doesn't have anything you can't find in the SNES/Genesis versions other than slightly better graphics, but it's just as solid as the other home conversions.

Baldies (Jag CD).  This is an overhead "god-game" comparable to the early Warcraft games.  It's pretty addicting and unique.  You control a group of Bald dudes and have to fight against their enemies, the Hairy men.  Your army is divided into four categories of Baldies, each of which has a different purpose depending on whether they're inside a building or outside.  There's a good deal of depth, and it's got the sense of humor of something like Worms or Lemmings.  You can develop a minefield and place it right outside an enemy castle, and then develop a stink bomb and drop it on the castle, forcing its inhabitants outside and right into the minefield.  Or inflict your enemies' territory with a plague of land-sharks.  Lots of good fun.  There's also a PS1 port, but it uses some fugly early polygons in places.  The Jag version is 100% pixel art, which I prefer, but that's subjective of course.

Blue Lightning (Jag CD).  A lot of people hate the Jag version, but I really enjoy it.  It doesn't have the depth of something like the Lynx original, but it's a fun mindless blaster.  I'm probably in the minority here though, so approach with caution.

Primal Rage (Jag CD).  It's about the same as the other home ports.  Better graphics than the SNES/Genesis ports, but inferior graphics to the Playstation/Saturn ports.  Also, some fatalities have to load after you input the right command, which really interrupts the matches.

Vid Grid (Jag CD).  It's essentially a jigsaw puzzle where the picture you're assembling is a moving video rather than a still photo.  I had a lot of fun with this, and I don't know why people don't talk about it more.  It's not a system seller, and it's nothing brilliant, but it certainly is fun, and it's a unique take on the FMV genre.
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Post by: Pfloydguy2 on April 04, 2018, 03:09:47 AM
Right now, my curiosity has been piqued as to why there are "rabid fans" for a system that has always looked like almost complete garbage to me. Am I missing something? Are these rabid fans just mostly peeps who grew up with Atari and thus migrated to the Jaguar? Is it because its very easy to develop for and has a healthy homebrew scene (which has been my impression since the early 2000s).
I dunno about the rabid fans thing.  Every console has fanboys - does the Jag have more than most?  If it takes one to know one, maybe I'm in a good position to make that call.  :D

I think the issue is that the Jag has always been lambasted as a joke of a console.  It's the go-to system for a lot of people when looking for an example of a console failure.  And it IS a failed console, so that alone isn't a problem.  The problem is when you have people who have never played it who criticize it for flaws that don't exist.  There's a ton of embarrassingly-poor games on the Jag.  There are also some well-made games that are worth playing.  I don't think the Jaguar should be on the same level as the PC Engine.  The PC Engine's library is clearly superior in just about every way.  But that doesn't mean the Jag is garbage.

Also, the Jag fanbase does have a lot of people who grew up with the Jag or other Atari platforms.  But there's plenty who got into the Jag long after its demise and even just recently.  Unfortunately, the collector's market has made Jaguar collecting prohibitively expensive, so it's probably not worth looking into if you're not already interested.  From what I'm told, Jaguar emulation is spotty with 2D games and awful with 3D games, but I haven't tried it much myself.
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Post by: Bloufo on April 04, 2018, 03:16:54 AM
Where would Atari Karts rate?
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Post by: Pfloydguy2 on April 04, 2018, 03:32:34 AM
A lot of people hate Atari Karts.  I only picked it up last year and haven't played more than an hour of it.  I actually liked it quite a bit.  It's very pretty and controls very well, but it doesn't have the depth or comedy of Mario Kart.  And I think it's only 2-player max, but I could be wrong about that.
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Post by: Winniez on April 14, 2018, 04:45:59 PM
A lot of people hate Atari Karts.  I only picked it up last year and haven't played more than an hour of it.  I actually liked it quite a bit.  It's very pretty and controls very well, but it doesn't have the depth or comedy of Mario Kart.  And I think it's only 2-player max, but I could be wrong about that.

What are your thoughts on the Jaguar controller btw? I really don't like it, to me there is an element of cheapness and bad design in it. D-pad feels mushy, the buttons are so so and its bit awkward to hold. But I don't mind the numpad, in fact I quite like it. Its unique for its time and adds character. Quite useful too.

To Jags credit I must say that after trying the Wolf 3D port after a long time it really is quite excellent. In fact one of the best ways to play the game, even today. Its not like with Doom where the Jag port was great for its time but you have so many better versions to play today,
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Post by: TR0N on April 14, 2018, 07:08:13 PM
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Post by: ClodBuster on April 14, 2018, 10:01:58 PM
Awwwww, that video preview thumbnail is just adorable.
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Post by: nopepper on April 25, 2018, 03:57:33 AM
I wouldn't consider anything on the Jag a system seller today.  I thought Alien vs. Predator was phenomenal back in its time, but that's the closest the Jag has to a system seller.  AvP really hasn't aged well.  The framerate is really choppy, but it was incredibly immersive in 1994.

So ignoring that and Tempest 2000, Iron Soldier, and Raiden, I'd recommend the following:
...

Sorry for the super late response, but missed your reply until now.  #-o

Frankly, there is hardly anything there to warrant excitement towards the Jaguar; the majority can be played in other systems and the few exclusives do not appear to be groundbreaking or essential (as you concede in your post).

Going back to Game Sack, I think their take on the Jaguar seemed pretty fair. They only missed a couple of your recommended games, so I'm not sure why you have such strong negative feelings towards them, but to each their own. I find their show entertaining, well paced and with high production values. I also really enjoy the music chosen for each section. I don't always agree with their opinion on games/systems, and they do make mistakes from time to time, but I don't expect everyone to share my opinion on everything or to be perfect (especially for a 2 man operation...), so it's all good for me.

I do appreciate you taking the time to make that list, as there were a couple of games there I had never heard of.

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Post by: TR0N on April 28, 2018, 07:19:40 PM
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Post by: Pfloydguy2 on May 01, 2018, 04:49:13 AM
What are your thoughts on the Jaguar controller btw? I really don't like it, to me there is an element of cheapness and bad design in it. D-pad feels mushy, the buttons are so so and its bit awkward to hold. But I don't mind the numpad, in fact I quite like it. Its unique for its time and adds character. Quite useful too.

To Jags credit I must say that after trying the Wolf 3D port after a long time it really is quite excellent. In fact one of the best ways to play the game, even today. Its not like with Doom where the Jag port was great for its time but you have so many better versions to play today,
I like the controller overall.  It does feel a bit cheap, but part of that is how light-weight it is.  I like how it fits perfectly in my hands.  I have big hands, so some controllers like the NES's and PCE's are a little uncomfortable.  And I like the idea of the keypad, because it gives you a lot of control potential for PC ports like Syndicate, Baldies, and Theme Park, without an overly cumbersome control scheme.  It also allows you to go right to the weapon you want in games like Doom, where most console ports make you cycle through all the weapons to get to the one you want.  The keypad is in a good spot where you can access it on the fly without having to look down at your controller, and it doesn't get in the way of the fire buttons and D-pad.

On that note, I don't care much for the D-Pad.  Like the Genesis D-Pad, it's effective, but it doesn't feel as satisfying as something like the SNES or Dualshock.  The Pro Controller is a step up with shoulder buttons and three extra fire buttons, but it's stupidly expensive, so a lot of people have never tried it.  There is a project at AtariAge to make more Pro Controllers but obviously without the Atari logo.
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Post by: Pfloydguy2 on May 01, 2018, 05:03:22 AM
Going back to Game Sack, I think their take on the Jaguar seemed pretty fair. They only missed a couple of your recommended games, so I'm not sure why you have such strong negative feelings towards them, but to each their own. I find their show entertaining, well paced and with high production values. I also really enjoy the music chosen for each section. I don't always agree with their opinion on games/systems, and they do make mistakes from time to time, but I don't expect everyone to share my opinion on everything or to be perfect (especially for a 2 man operation...), so it's all good for me.
Game Sack is entertaining.  I have nothing wrong with somebody evaluating something and coming to a different conclusion than me.  My biggest issue with Game Sack's take on the Jag is that right from the start, they treated it like it was a joke.  It didn't seem like they were giving it a fair chance at all, based on their snickering, the goofy faces they make when they mention the Jaguar, and their sarcastic comments about the quality of the system.  It's clear their minds were made up before they even played the games.  It's a bit like the difference between constructive criticism and playground bullying - the problem isn't the criticism, but the way it's delivered.  I've watched probably 20-30 Game Sack episodes, and they don't usually treat their subject material that way unless they're making tongue-in-cheek stabs at each other about Sega vs. Nintendo.  Dave even acknowledges at the end that he knows he probably pissed off any Atari fans watching the video.
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Post by: nopepper on May 01, 2018, 06:00:59 AM
On that note, I don't care much for the D-Pad.  Like the Genesis D-Pad, it's effective, but it doesn't feel as satisfying as something like the SNES or Dualshock.

Hey now, please tell me you are not talking about the 6 button Genesis dpad, because there is no way the Jaguar (or any other) controller can approximate the perfection that controller's pad achieved, especially compared to the the SNES's or Dual Shock's dpad. I guess that can be subjective, but man, that dpad just feels soooo good in comparison to everything else pretty much, ever (yeah, even the Saturn). The only one that comes close, oddly enough, is the Gameboy Micro.

Game Sack is entertaining.  I have nothing wrong with somebody evaluating something and coming to a different conclusion than me.  My biggest issue with Game Sack's take on the Jag is that right from the start, they treated it like it was a joke.  It didn't seem like they were giving it a fair chance at all, based on their snickering, the goofy faces they make when they mention the Jaguar, and their sarcastic comments about the quality of the system.  It's clear their minds were made up before they even played the games.  It's a bit like the difference between constructive criticism and playground bullying - the problem isn't the criticism, but the way it's delivered.  I've watched probably 20-30 Game Sack episodes, and they don't usually treat their subject material that way unless they're making tongue-in-cheek stabs at each other about Sega vs. Nintendo.  Dave even acknowledges at the end that he knows he probably pissed off any Atari fans watching the video.

Game Sack has taken the same snarky approach towards other beleaguered consoles/handhelds and have come away impressed after actually playing them (such as the Game Gear). So it might just be that the Jaguar is simply not that good in their eyes...and that they are aware that the Jaguar's fan base is emotionally attached in such a way to get defensive about their stance on it (something I was not until now).
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Post by: Pfloydguy2 on May 01, 2018, 09:18:50 AM
I was referring to the stock 3-button Genesis pad.  I've always thought that thing felt cumbersome.  The one I use is a 6-button, because it feels far better than the original.
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Post by: esteban on May 01, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
I was referring to the stock 3-button Genesis pad.  I've always thought that thing felt cumbersome.  The one I use is a 6-button, because it feels far better than the original.

I don’t like the d-pads on 3- or -6 button Genesis controllers.

They are sloppy and mushy and just don’t have “precision” I need.

Then again, I am *not* a fan of the versus-fighting genre... so maybe the six-button pad worked really well with SFII its brethren?

At least the Genesis controllers were better than the SMS pads... I’ll grant you that.

Ha!

:)

It really is a subjective topic, though, obviously. I’ve talked to so many folks who *like* the various first-party Genesis controllers... despite their sloppy, crappy mush.

Oh well.

(That last comment was a gratuitous troll.)
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Post by: Strider77 on May 03, 2018, 01:30:52 PM
The Genesis 3 and 6 button pads are fine. It's 8 way and digital...    you press it one way and it goes. You don't have to press extra hard for the diagnols etc. They aren't lacking any precision. Fighting games are where precision arguably factors in the most. Double rolls motions etc require alot more precision than pointing in a single direction to move a sprite.

Especially the 6 button pad...    it's basically a Saturn pad (the best pad the world has seen). The digital pad has the same design on both the 6 button Genesis and Saturn pads in the way it functions.

Having said that, I didn't have issues with pads till the 3DO or PS1 pad showed up. Ive had some PCE pads where the diagnosis were a little stiff but that seemed to go away after they were broken in more.
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Post by: ClodBuster on May 03, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
I'm not keen on the Genesis 3-button controller either. The build quality, even speaking for the official Sega Mega Drive and Genesis 3-button controllers packed in with the systems, was all over the place. Some were acceptable, some were worse.
I can tolerate the 6-button, however.

Another problem on mushy d-pads, they make going straight left and right without accidentally pressing diagonally a chore. This is especially a problem for games where you need a precise discrete input in all eight directions, e.g. both traditional (Contra) as well as overhead run & guns (Shock Troopers), any game that uses "up" for jumping (lots of 2D fighters), hell even traditional Castlevania's method of using secondary weapons relies on a reliable 8-way pad.
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Post by: majors on May 05, 2018, 03:59:10 AM
Let see that Dave and Joe have to say on controllers!

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Post by: nopepper on May 07, 2018, 04:57:58 AM
I still prefer the 6 button genesis controller over the Saturn, because it feels less plasticy when you press the buttons. I dont find the pad mushy at all, and think it is extremely precise for any type of game.

In regards to the Game Sack controller episode, I learned that Joe has girl hands that Seinfeld would approve.
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Post by: Strider77 on May 09, 2018, 07:51:32 AM
The "mushy" claims are silly. If you can't manage to go in a straight line with ANY of these pads it's you, not the pads.

All d-pads are "mushy" lol...   except for the Neo Geo pad.
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Post by: esteban on May 09, 2018, 05:06:57 PM
The "mushy" claims are silly. If you can't manage to go in a straight line with ANY of these pads it's you, not the pads.

All d-pads are "mushy" lol...   except for the Neo Geo pad.

First party Sega 3-button controllers... seriously, you like them? I know lots of folks don’t mind them, but they have a lot to be desired.

I didn’t like them at launch, I don’t like them now (but, obviously, I’ve learned to live with them...doesn’t mean I actually like them).

But, it’s very subjective... so, we can still hug and be friends.

:)
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Post by: TR0N on May 12, 2018, 07:15:42 PM
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Post by: NightWolve on August 07, 2018, 05:19:26 PM
This ought to be good, thanks Game Sack! Nevah forget the legendary Last Alert special by Gameological Society! No better video to complement this new episode!
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 08, 2018, 05:38:25 AM
This ought to be good, thanks Game Sack! http://youtu.be/zYLMUMSWGAE Nevah forget the legendary Last Alert special by Gameological Society! No better video to complement this new episode! http://youtu.be/nvl4qqwf9Pk


it's no Castle shikigami 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WUol3XLyw
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: NightWolve on August 08, 2018, 06:40:12 AM
This ought to be good, thanks Game Sack! http://youtu.be/zYLMUMSWGAE Nevah forget the legendary Last Alert special by Gameological Society! No better video to complement this new episode! http://youtu.be/nvl4qqwf9Pk
it's no Castle shikigami 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WUol3XLyw

Haha, what happened there ? OMG, they had a literal Babelfish translator with no editing skills... And voice actors had little choice but to force themselves to read off cards with that crap on them!

I know how frustrating that is too, to be looking at literal translations and not have enough editing skills to make sense of them into naturalized English... I wasted way too many hours on Xak III in editing after I got the results back from Paul England, burned myself out a bit in addition to the Ys projects, but at least for Ys scripts the NeoGeo/XSEED Cockflasher had much better editing skills compared to all other translators I had worked with (Shimarisu, Paul, Akimaru, etc.) so there was little to fix beyond spelling, occasional grammar, understandable context failures, consistency in naming conventions, etc.

Anyway, never heard of this game, but wow, that IS terrible! The voice actors sound competent with experience, but they're forced to read the Babelfish translations that were put in front of them in a OK-if-that's-really-what-you-want-me-to-say fashion, heh heh.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 08, 2018, 07:26:33 AM
This ought to be good, thanks Game Sack! http://youtu.be/zYLMUMSWGAE Nevah forget the legendary Last Alert special by Gameological Society! No better video to complement this new episode! http://youtu.be/nvl4qqwf9Pk
it's no Castle shikigami 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28WUol3XLyw

Haha, what happened there ? OMG, they had a literal Babelfish translator with no editing skills... And voice actors had little choice but to force themselves to read off cards with that crap on them!


This is the only explanation
Title: Re: Game Sack
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 08, 2018, 10:01:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv8ftxxqxy8 I mean it's just amazing
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Post by: TR0N on August 08, 2018, 05:47:59 PM
It's some thing space cobra adventures for the sega-cd wasn't mention  :roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa2nYhE2YaI
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Post by: NightWolve on August 08, 2018, 06:22:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv8ftxxqxy8 I mean it's just amazing

That's whacked out! You see right away one of them did take liberties on this, yet STILL botched it!

Question 1: "[You] Going there alone?"

Counter-question 2: "How about you?"

Text Answer: "Not your business. Just like my pal."

vs.

Voice Answer: "It's not your thing, just like my friend."

Side note: Sounds rude to me, she can ask if you're going there [to some place], but when you ask her right back, will she also be going to the same place (presumably), she pulls the selective "None of your business" card! WTH ?!?! Hahaha!!