Thank you for such a reasoned, well thought out assessment.
I'm waiting for it to fully conclude to give my giganto-rant.
So far, its pretty hilarious. They're not mentioning any games and are showing off foofoo media center crap.
EDIT:
He just said "this is rocket science level stuff"
wow.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 06:52:46 AM
Ok, so.
Thus far: The Xbox One uses "rocket science technology" Foo Foo Media center bullshit Built in Kinect/Glass flailing EA games and their fake as f*ck bullshit about how they care about games. Phil Spencer talking about storytelling in games, and innovative gameplay (lolright), followed by "new first ever experiences".
More pretentious crap
Hilary Clinton came out to talk about some stupid shit about TV.
So over the course of this whole thing, aside from buzzwords being thrown around in relation to gaming, they've said nothing really about the gameplay.
but hey, it'll be great for watching movies! EDIT:
oh right, and then the CEO duder comes out, rambles,
and then Call of Duty.
Yeah.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on May 21, 2013, 07:44:20 AM
I've gotta agree w/Arkhan. Looks terrible. Based solely upon their presentation, it truly is "Dudebro: The Console".
They spent more time talking about fantasy football features than showing gameplay footage. And that's not an exaggeration. It's a glorified cable box that plays Call of Duty. Great.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 07:51:48 AM
I've gotta agree w/Arkhan. Looks terrible. Based solely upon their presentation, it truly is "Dudebro: The Console".
They spent more time talking about fantasy football features than showing gameplay footage. And that's not an exaggeration. It's a glorified cable box that plays Call of Duty. Great.
Dudebro 360!
It was pretty lackluster.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Bernie on May 21, 2013, 07:56:38 AM
Hmmm. I really liked what I seen. Except the name.... We use our 360 mainly for media anyway, so it really caters to what we enjoy.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 07:57:15 AM
but..
its a game console... -_- lol.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on May 21, 2013, 07:58:23 AM
Yay! We get to pay to play pre-owned games! And the news just gets better!
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Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.
Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.
"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.
The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.
The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."
It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."
Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.
The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 21, 2013, 08:02:02 AM
Not even seen the presentation but it has fail written all over it from what I know so far (and I really enjoy my 360).
Pay for pre-owned : Fail No backwards compatibility : Fail No transfer of XBLA games : Fail All games need installation : Fail
Why not just use my PC instead? Or even go back to supporting Nintendo.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 08:07:16 AM
^^^^^ Yeah.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on May 21, 2013, 08:08:04 AM
I don't understand why they're all up on the whole "lets be a media center" thing.
Just put a f*cking disc tray, a controller port, and make games happen.
Because Bill Gates wet dream is finally coming true, albeit a tad bit after Steve's wet dream.
Sony and Nintendo are doing the same.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 08:22:08 AM
Hey, the Wii U is still focused on gaming.
It's just focused on that annoying "social friendly gaming" shit where you have to have friends and like talking to people.
What the hell's that shit.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 21, 2013, 08:25:01 AM
In addition to my list
Kinect required: Fail Voice Commands: Fail (seriously, I had them on my Windows 95 PC and it was cool for 5 minutes, then I turned it off because it was dumb).
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: MotherGunner on May 21, 2013, 08:32:57 AM
None of you guys are buying it anyways! Stick to PCE.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 08:34:44 AM
I can't wait to flail around naked in front of the kinect while screaming Megadeth lyrics, to see what the Xbox does.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 21, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
I'm gonna get one just so I can shout 'XBOX - OBEY' at it all day.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: bob on May 21, 2013, 08:43:38 AM
It really does look f*cking stupid. They are STILL fumbling around with a seperate device for the camera. The damn thing looks as big as the box itself. They should have just built it into the damn box. When will the M$ retards understand this isnt the direction gaming should go? God i hope this fails worse than a female parallel parking.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 21, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
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Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.
Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.
"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.
The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.
The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."
It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."
Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.
The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.
I love how they use the word "fee" here. It's going to be full retail price, not a fee. Using the word fee in this manner makes it sound like it'll be $9.99 to use it on another machine. We all know it will be the full cost.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on May 21, 2013, 09:01:32 AM
Well, no we don't...
But we can guess. ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on May 21, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
I love how they use the word "fee" here. It's going to be full retail price, not a fee. Using the word fee in this manner makes it sound like it'll be $9.99 to use it on another machine. We all know it will be the full cost.
Solid assumption.
long gone are the days of, "hey want me to bring this game over?"
No wonder Gamestop is looking into old school games, their frigging business model has just been Angry bird'ed :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheOldMan on May 21, 2013, 09:15:23 AM
It's all about the benjamins, guys. Every decision they make is to get more $$ from your pocket to theirs. Video games are a main-stream, big-budget operation now. Everyone is trying to get as much $$ as they can.
"Pay for pre-owned : Fail" Not for them. You buy the game for x$, turn it in for $X/100. Someone else buys it for $Y. They still have to pay whomever made the game to play it. And no one had to pay to produce that 'extra' sale....
"No backwards compatibility : Fail" Not for them. You don't want to pay for the same game twice? Too bad....
"No transfer of XBLA games : Fail" Not for them. Same reason as above.....
"All games need installation : Fail" Not for them. Now they can meet any deadline they set: "We'll patch it later...." So what if the game sucks in the beginning. It'll get better later.... And of course, you have to pay for the priviledge of them fixing the problems (ie, X-Box Live)
"Kinect required: Fail" Not for them. Now you have to buy something else to take 'complete' advantage of the system. Or pay extra to get it with system included :)
"Voice Commands: Fail" Not for them. Recognition software pretty much sux. Voice commands are gonna be slow, and/or require an internet connection. But who cares? They get bragging rights, as the first console to feature them..... Though the kiddies will love it. ("What's it do when you say f*ck? How about Sh*t? Cooool.")
"Why not just use my PC instead?" Why not? That's really all it is. Except it's stripped down (so they only have to support specific hardware). Look for lots of ports from the '1' to the pc in the future - so you have to pay twice again.
"I don't understand why they're all up on the whole "lets be a media center" thing. "
Because there is lots of money to be made in it, and they want their slice. From tracking what you play and where you go on the internet (information which they can then re-sell) to in-game ads (you know they are coming) to small 'fees' for streaming shows to your machine. There are lots of ways to make money from a 'media center', and you can bet all the game makers are looking for a way to cash in on it.
... I disagree with companies trying to rake in every last penny they can (obviously). Especially when the company officers are not held responsible for the results of their greed. (Get hit with a big lawsuit? Go bankrupt. Private assets can't be seized. Who cares about the people who work here, anyway)
That's why I don't develop for more modern consoles. Fun for us is just business to them. I won't be buying any of the new generation consoles for a long while.....
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 09:42:55 AM
by the time you buy one, the features won't work anymore because the servers will be dead! :)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esteban on May 21, 2013, 10:08:45 AM
MODERN ERA GAME CONSOLES: They make perfect sense to corporate executives and content partners and any other business alliance that can profit. As far as actually creating a solid platform that we (gamers) will enjoy...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SmaMan on May 21, 2013, 11:43:39 AM
Hey it could be worse, we could've had that Always On DRM that was confirmed in the early SDKs... now we just have to pay and have online activation!
So yeah, even though they said it wouldn't happen, you pretty much still have to have an almost always on connection to activate/pay for the damn software... ](*,) Looks like I'll be sticking with the Wii U this gen.
But y'know what's great about being a radio news producer? I get to look at these "revolutionary" press releases. And their use. Of sentence fragments.
Happily can pass on this Gen. Gonna stick with my old school systems. When games were made to be FUN!
When consoles were meant to play games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on May 21, 2013, 12:28:00 PM
Holy f*ck:
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Xbox One games will require a one-time activation code to use, but you'll still be able to trade and sell them online, Microsoft tells Kotaku—although we're not 100% clear on the details.
Speaking to us at the big event in Redmond today, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison clarified a couple of details about the system's used game policy and explained that there will be a solution for people who want to trade games with their friends.
Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.
Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.
But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.
"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."
"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.
"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.
But that doesn't mean used games are dead. In fact, Harrison told us, you'll be able to sell your Xbox One games online.
"We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online," Harrison said.
The Xbox exec wouldn't give further details on how this system will work, but we're assuming that once you're done with a game, you can trade the code online and it will be erased from your machine. But what will you get? Other games? Microsoft Points?
No matter how the final system works, it is not likely to please GameStop, the world's biggest buyer and seller of used video games, but it could be a tantalizing way to share games with your friends in the virtual space.
Update - Microsoft's Larry Hryb has issued the following clarification:
Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile. What this means is that if you take a game to a friend's house and try to play the game on their system using their account, you'll need to pay. If you take it to their house and try to play it on their system using your account, you won't need to pay.
In other words: playing while you're there is free. If you want to lend it to them for a few days/weeks? They'll have to pay.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on May 21, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
(Looks over at my computers, thanks them for their years of continued dedicated service, and for doing everything the Xbox One promises to do, and more, all this time, and for doing it better)
Outside of that, yeah.... this thing looks like a PR nightmare, and I have a small gut feeling in a year and a half someone in marketing and a couple of heads up at Microsoft will be falling on their swords, though as a whole the issue will be shrugged off. This all depends on how well PS4 and Wii-U do though. If PS4 delivers a system that doesn't do fee shit on pre-owned titles and doesn't pull a always on scheme then it will be the winner of the new "console wars",whatever that even means anymore. I don't think it matters much though, since Microsoft seems to be taking the shift from gaming consoles into the realm of trying to make powerful but ugly as f*ck media boxes that directly eat dollars from your wallet like dogs eat bacon treats. All that machine is missing is a "insert dollar" slot and a guy that comes to your house to collect the profits once a week.
Microsoft is going to look at whatever success Sony and Nintendo get and basically say" who cares, we went in our own direction creating our own new market where we are number 1, we are not in the game console business anymore, we ARE the multimedia business". By this stance if they get outsold in the market, PR wise they will express they wont care and that it doesn't count because they are no longer selling a game console, and are the only ones to compete with in their own new market they created. This will all be imaginary obviously, as we all know the core audience of the Xbox has always been gamers, who will be diverting their money and attention to the other companies that cater to them better. But Microsoft has basically created the best easy way out to losing the console wars, by feigning ignorance of being involved in it. Some of this reaks of 3DO in that respect.
This round they are basically stealing business models and ideas from Steam, Apple, and even Trip Hawkens amongst others. Lame doesn't even begin to describe it all.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on May 21, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
Look at the size of this motherf*cker!
(http://abload.de/img/loln9uk8.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 21, 2013, 01:08:26 PM
FarkBox One
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Black Tiger on May 21, 2013, 01:13:40 PM
I loved how the biannual update to Call of Duty is: "now you have a dog!"
But he's got an adorable outfit so you will be coordinated in battle. :P
It's like the new Malibu Stacy doll on the Simpsons.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on May 21, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
It is enormous. My panini press is smaller than that. A lot of Twitter posts suggested it looked like a top loading VCR. The best comment I saw was; "XBOX Juan" Made In Mexico.
(Looks over at my computers, thanks them for their years of continued dedicated service, and for doing everything the Xbox One promises to do, and more, all this time, and for doing it better)
Outside of that, yeah.... this thing looks like a PR nightmare, and I have a small gut feeling in a year and a half someone in marketing and a couple of heads up at Microsoft will be falling on their swords, though as a whole the issue will be shrugged off. This all depends on how well PS4 and Wii-U do though. If PS4 delivers a system that doesn't do fee shit on pre-owned titles and doesn't pull a always on scheme then it will be the winner of the new "console wars",whatever that even means anymore. I don't think it matters much though, since Microsoft seems to be taking the shift from gaming consoles into the realm of trying to make powerful but ugly as f*ck media boxes that directly eat dollars from your wallet like dogs eat bacon treats. All that machine is missing is a "insert dollar" slot and a guy that comes to your house to collect the profits once a week.
Microsoft is going to look at whatever success Sony and Nintendo get and basically say" who cares, we went in our own direction creating our own new market where we are number 1, we are not in the game console business anymore, we ARE the multimedia business". By this stance if they get outsold in the market, PR wise they will express they wont care and that it doesn't count because they are no longer selling a game console, and are the only ones to compete with in their own new market they created. This will all be imaginary obviously, as we all know the core audience of the Xbox has always been gamers, who will be diverting their money and attention to the other companies that cater to them better. But Microsoft has basically created the best easy way out to losing the console wars, by feigning ignorance of being involved in it. Some of this reaks of 3DO in that respect.
This round they are basically stealing business models and ideas from Steam, Apple, and even Trip Hawkens amongst others. Lame doesn't even begin to describe it all.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 21, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
Seriously, looks like an ugly IBM office desktop PC from the mid/end 90s.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SmaMan on May 21, 2013, 02:58:57 PM
And all this happens just as I'm considering moving my games off of my PC and to my console and keeping my compy and keeping is as an editing lab... seems like I may need to reconsider that, though I still don't see this new used games system, which cuts their biggest money-maker GameStop out of the equation, succeeding for very long. If they don't double back on this before the console's release, I'd predict that it will happen sometime in its first two years.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Making it so you cant rent/trade games is retarded. That's just spitting on the spirit of video games.
Welp, I've never felt better about having a Wii U. That thing mostly focuses on games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2013, 03:56:56 PM
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 21, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
The end where he's depressed like Hitler in Downfall is pretty funny. I was worried though the guy was going to stroke out though during much the rest of the video due to his extreme levels of sarcastic angst.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 21, 2013, 05:58:56 PM
Oh, I didn't know the English language is using the term "Angst" as well:
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Angst, often confused with anxiety, is a transcendent emotion in that it combines the unbearable anguish of life with the hopes of overcoming this seemingly impossible situation. Without the important element of hope, then the emotion is anxiety, not angst. Angst denotes the constant struggle one has with the burdens of life that weighs on the dispossessed and not knowing when the salvation will appear.
<EX> An airplane crashes into the side of a remote snow-covered mountain; those passengers that worry about their lives without hopes of survival only face anxiety. In contrast, those passengers who worry about their lives with hopes of survival but do not know when the rescue party will arrive face angst.
Learing something new every day.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TR0N on May 21, 2013, 06:45:24 PM
My reaction towards the xbox one press release.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 21, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
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CEO Kaz Hirai @KazHiraiCEO 12h
We are going to sue Microsoft. They clearly ripped off the XBOX One design from one of our Betamax players
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on May 21, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
I loved how the biannual update to Call of Duty is: "now you have a dog!"
But he's got an adorable outfit so you will be coordinated in battle. :P
It's like the new Malibu Stacy doll on the Simpsons.
But it's got a new hat!!! I want it I want it I want it!!! :D I was totally thinking the same thing as you, oooooh a dog!
I didn't notice it mentioned here, but I understand the system is supposed to be on all the time. I'm not sure if that's a requirement, or a suggestion, maybe since it is a media center? I don't know about anyone else, but, I don't want my "game system"(I use this term every so loosely in regards to the Xbox One) on 24 hours a day, just sitting there in the heat of summer. Possibly a plot by MS for it to wear out quicker? I'll let you decide!
And with the internet thing, I know there are still people out there, that have crappy or no internet, so that takes care of them since it has to check once a day or whatever.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on May 22, 2013, 03:26:37 AM
meh forza is where is at and they better get onboard the Cave shooters !!!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 22, 2013, 03:32:48 AM
So much uberfail in only one box. It borders on sheer inconceivability.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 22, 2013, 03:43:27 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on May 22, 2013, 07:36:39 AM
I didn't notice it mentioned here, but I understand the system is supposed to be on all the time. I'm not sure if that's a requirement, or a suggestion, maybe since it is a media center? I don't know about anyone else, but, I don't want my "game system"(I use this term every so loosely in regards to the Xbox One) on 24 hours a day, just sitting there in the heat of summer. Possibly a plot by MS for it to wear out quicker? I'll let you decide!
Are you surprised? This is the same company that advertised and even encouraged users to sit the XBOX 360 console vertically, even though that led to quicker wearing out of the DVD drive and made it much easier to scratch up your disks.
This is the same company that authorized the use of tinfoil in place of legit CPU connections within the XBOX 360, and then flat out denied they ever had anything to do with it as the RROD craze began.
They might as well call this the WarrantyBox One, because if you don't have one on this, you're screwed.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 22, 2013, 07:46:02 AM
All this makes me want to buy an Ouya.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on May 22, 2013, 07:58:08 AM
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on May 22, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
^ Hahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SmaMan on May 22, 2013, 09:45:34 PM
Too true... too true... so true it hurts.
I remember one tech writer actually wrote years ago about an age where computers would not obey our commands, but instead those of a corporation... lemme try to find that article.
EDIT: Found it! Quite a good read if you have some time. Eerie to think he wrote about this well before the XBOX One, or the XBOX 360 for that matter, was ever begat. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 22, 2013, 09:59:49 PM
This system unites all bad aspects of a gaming console with all the bad aspects of a PC. Not the easiest task to accomplish.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Tatsujin on May 22, 2013, 10:04:46 PM
I remember one tech writer actually wrote years ago about an age where computers would not obey our commands, but instead those of a corporation... lemme try to find that article.
EDIT: Found it! Quite a good read if you have some time. Eerie to think he wrote about this well before the XBOX One, or the XBOX 360 for that matter, was ever begat. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
Good read there and I agree 100% with what the man wrote. Exactly what is happening now with technology. Hell, politics and society in general aren't too much different either if you think about it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on May 23, 2013, 02:44:48 AM
I remember one tech writer actually wrote years ago about an age where computers would not obey our commands, but instead those of a corporation... lemme try to find that article.
EDIT: Found it! Quite a good read if you have some time. Eerie to think he wrote about this well before the XBOX One, or the XBOX 360 for that matter, was ever begat. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
Good read there and I agree 100% with what the man wrote. Exactly what is happening now with technology. Hell, politics and society in general aren't too much different either if you think about it.
time to stop living on denial, make another effort to stop using propietary tecnology
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on May 23, 2013, 03:03:27 AM
“[The Xbox is part of a] grandiose strategy. Microsoft built its dominance through the ubiquity of its operating systems on PCs. Initially with DOS, and subsequently with Windows, the company established itself as the platform for users and developers. Now it is vying to control access to information from the living room. Three pieces of hardware have long been perceived as potential winners in this battle: the PC, the video game console and the satellite/cable set-top box. Microsoft already dominates the PC market. In 1997, it invested $1 billion in a 7.3% stake in Comcast, the US cable company, in an attempt to build a “Windows-based gateway to the television [although it subsequently sold it]. And the Xbox is designed to cover the third potential route to the market, to make sure that whichever of the three pieces of hardware win the battle, Microsoft has a place at the table.”
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: tpivette on May 23, 2013, 04:12:56 AM
Wow, in the first few minutes of the unveil I was thinking... "they haven't said ANYTHING about the games". M$ has definitely moved away from the gamer's demographic.
Oh well, my WiiU is still awesome, and the PS4 looks promising
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on May 23, 2013, 04:53:09 AM
Oh well, my WiiU is still awesome, and the PS4 looks promising
Damn straight!
Gotta git me some Sonic Vroom Vroom Car Racing or whatever its called.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on May 23, 2013, 05:53:52 AM
Sonic Vroom Vroom Car Racing is awesome.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SmaMan on May 23, 2013, 06:03:49 AM
I actually tried the demo for that. Pretty fun game. Supposedly the full version has some blatant tie-ins like Danika Patrick as a playable character, but at least you could just not select her.
An optional turn-off for features you don't like... you heard that, Kinect?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on May 23, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
The more I think about it, it seems like 90% of the info for the Xbox One, says it doesn't do a lot of things, whether it be about the hard drive or cross platform or b/c, etc. It sure seems like it can't do much at all!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TR0N on May 23, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This is what there selling on the xbox one.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on May 24, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
So does an artist get royalties from an used game, even if he/she has moved on to another company? or is all this used game profit going directly to the co.?
If I were a company, I'd hired a bunch of super talented folk, let them make a few good games, then fire the whole lot and enjoy the used game rewards. Zynga!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on May 24, 2013, 08:13:06 AM
I don't think programmers/artists get part of the back-end from any system.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on May 24, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
I don't think programmers/artists get part of the back-end from any system.
Probably not, unless it is employee owned. Captain Obvious say welcome ;)
I liken it to when a sports team owners spends a shit ton of money to get the best team together, they win the championship and said team owner disbands the team after the fact.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on May 24, 2013, 08:42:17 AM
I liken it to when a sports team owners spends a shit ton of money to get the best team together, they win the championship and said team owner disbands the team after the fact.
I like it when a team I dislike, does that, except they don't win the championship and then they disband the team.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheClash603 on May 25, 2013, 04:16:26 AM
Oh well, my WiiU is still awesome, and the PS4 looks promising
Damn straight!
Gotta git me some Sonic Vroom Vroom Car Racing or whatever its called.
this was actually my 2nd most played Wii U game at launch. Easily my favorite kart racer since Double Dash, it is awesome!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: handygrafx on June 06, 2013, 04:21:55 PM
As of now, my next-gen machines of choice are/will likely be...
PC: -A reasonably high-end rig enough to run Battlefield 4 @ 60fps / 1080p / Ultra settings. Plus, enough to run Supermodel, the SEGA Model 3 arcade emu. Gotta be able to play Daytona USA 2 and everything else @ 60fps.
Consoles: -PS4 -Wii U, maybe. If Nintendo's first-party efforts appeal to me enough, if the price drops and if the non-gaming features and OS speed up/get improved. side note: IMHO, the first Super Mario Galaxy is the best game Nintendo has ever made, and Twilight Princess is the best Zelda game ever made. Again, all IMO.
Handhelds: -3DS
As for the XBone....... lolz
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SmaMan on June 06, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
-Wii U, maybe. If Nintendo's first-party efforts appeal to me enough, if the price drops and if the non-gaming features and OS speed up/get improved.
Well, a recent update did really really speed up the OS. Things load more than twice as fast than at launch... pretty awesome to say the least.
Also, anyone been keeping up with the Wii U eShop? Some seriously awesome stuff hitting there lately, like Super Metroid for 30 cents!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Punch on June 09, 2013, 02:19:09 PM
Don't jump the gun, handygrafx. We don't even know how the PS4 will really be, yet.
I don't know you guys but at least at the beggining of the "generation" I'll stick to Steam.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Nando on June 10, 2013, 08:19:02 AM
COMING FOR THE NINTENDO SIX...UM XBOX ONE, KILLER INSTINCT
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on June 10, 2013, 09:42:32 AM
I was just notified it is available for pre sale. Yay! for $499 my privacy can be invaded, and Microsoft can double dip on games, hooray!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on June 10, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
f*cking Panzer Dragoon game.
goddamnit
Where's my revolver
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 10, 2013, 10:14:12 AM
It's almost like re-watching Sega of America fumble the Saturn launch, except that was still worlds better then this since Sega had Virtua Fighter, PD, and Daytona USA , and the Saturn didn't have to jack into a phone line on day 1 or do 24 hour surveillance.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sunteam_paul on June 10, 2013, 10:47:44 AM
With all this 'processing in the cloud' bullshit they are spouting, does this mean there must be a minimum broadband speed you require to even play games?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on June 10, 2013, 03:47:43 PM
Next gen is all about the battle of which fugly machine will end up in your house...
It really is bloody expensive too
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheClash603 on June 10, 2013, 06:08:53 PM
Insomniac Games is the best thing on modern consoles.... I'll admit, I preordered an Xbox One...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2013, 06:16:24 AM
All I want is Panzer Dragoon or whatever they are calling it.
That shit can wait.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SMF on June 11, 2013, 07:21:44 AM
Hey now that they get K3 also might be interesting to say the least to see what Xbox offers.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 11, 2013, 07:33:22 AM
This thread should be locked and forgotten. No one Everyone wants Xbox One. Its going to have Killer Instinct. You can play as Jago for free. He's another ninja a totally original character in a fighting game. This is someone you care about.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on June 11, 2013, 12:30:52 PM
This thread should be locked and forgotten. No one Everyone wants Xbox One. Its going to have Killer Instinct. You can play as Jago for free. He's another ninja a totally original character in a fighting game. This is someone you care about.
well I am on the fence about it.. It depends on Crimson Dragoon and Forza 5 and if we gonna get a slew of new japanese shoot em ups and if I can get one really cheap...
the DRM wont be too much of an issue as I will be very selective on what I will buy on it. PS4 however at least all the games can be bought used and reduced in price.
Title: Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video
Post by: NightWolve on June 11, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.
Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.
I love how they use the word "fee" here. It's going to be full retail price, not a fee. Using the word fee in this manner makes it sound like it'll be $9.99 to use it on another machine. We all know it will be the full cost.
Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video
Sony responds. Heh-heh.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 11, 2013, 03:30:15 PM
All I want is Panzer Dragoon or whatever they are calling it.
That shit can wait.
I believe that you control that game with Kinect. I recall reading that somewhere. If that's true I can't even imagine how much that would suck. Sega should just hire these bozos back so they can make the game for the PS4 using regular controllers.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BigusSchmuck on June 11, 2013, 04:18:50 PM
You can get a good budget PC for the same price and does much more. Won't look as good as a XBOX one when gaming, but you could always upgrade later.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2013, 08:26:13 PM
Oh if you have to flail around in front of the TV screaming XBOX, DRAGON! XBOX, FLAP! XBOX, DIVEBOMB! , I will personally destroy the team.
Also, Forza has a "Driveatar" that drives for you while you're not home.
Why even play the f*cking game.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 11, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
You can get a good budget PC for the same price and does much more. Won't look as good as a XBOX one when gaming, but you could always upgrade later.
It should only take a midrange graphics card to match either systems visuals, something in the $200 to 250 range. The 8 core apu they are using is clocked pretty low, so in all you could probably build a gaming pc that would match or exceed the systems total performance with $550 to 600 bucks if you build smart and take advantage of newegg sales and buy something like a AM3+ micro atx board and AMD FX-8320. After sales tax depending on where you live either home system will run you $40-50 more then the retail price, so honestly you wont be far off from the price of ordering parts and building a gaming pc.
And back to that low clocked apu thing. You have already seen what happens when you pair a slow clocked multi core with a competent gpu. It's called the Wii U, and it suffers low frame rates. Expect the same issues with the new consoles compared to pc performance depending on the games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 11, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Oh if you have to flail around in front of the TV screaming XBOX, DRAGON! XBOX, FLAP! XBOX, DIVEBOMB! , I will personally destroy the team.
Also, Forza has a "Driveatar" that drives for you while you're not home.
Why even play the f*cking game.
Driveatar is there for you when you need to stop driving to text your friends. Don't drive and text.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 12, 2013, 03:15:00 AM
Awesome interview.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 12, 2013, 03:19:46 AM
Saw that clip. He is delusional if he thinks people will choose to stay with the old aging 360 over buying a PS4. This applies to anyone, including the guy in the nuclear sub. Once 360 development starts to gear down people will want a new system. If net access or DRM matters to the buyer, they wont be buying the Xbox Halfbaked.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on June 12, 2013, 03:22:40 AM
Hah! The breadline is over there, douche.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on June 12, 2013, 03:45:12 AM
This will be interesting. I can only wonder if Sony's own published games will be DRM free while 3rd parties will adopt their own DRM stances.
Several development sources have told us that they expect game publishers to implement similar DRM policies across Xbox One and PS4, despite what has unfolded at E3 this week.
Our contacts described Sony’s conference announcements as a PR play, and revealed that its decision to go DRM-free was made at the very last minute.
Each platform holder’s DRM policy has changed continually over the last few months, they said, though Microsoft’s initial stance was much tougher than its position today. This suggests that the platform holder’s decision to let publishers decide for themselves whether to implement DRM on Xbox One was not part of the original plan.
Ultimately, the developers we spoke to understand the need to protect the revenues made on their work, and expect to see broadly similar DRM restrictions across both PS4 and Xbox One – in one instance, it was suggested that these measures were essential for the console business to survive.
We were also told that final publishing agreements will not be drawn up for at least another month, so the terms of engagement could yet change once more before each console launches at the end of the year.
We have contacted Sony for comment.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: fraggore on June 12, 2013, 04:56:22 AM
Well Microsoft has confirmed there is now way I will be buying it. There taking the piss if they think I will be paying to rent a console and games. mental like you will never own games or console and in 5 years or so when you abandon it everything you payed for will become a bit black paper weight.
Ps4 all the way they have done the right think for once, Microsofts xbox one is in for a huge dive in sales wonder how long it will take for them to go back on the always online and no second games only time will tell.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on June 12, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
I really loved my "original Xbox", that one was about the games. It was the right choice after "moving on" after the Dreamcast. As per the X360, while there were games I enjoyed, I just got tired of the platform. Seeing how things are going with the Xbo One and the fact games I'm looking forward won't be available on it, then I'm pretty much done with Microsoft. Heck, I'm even working on ditching Windows in favor of Linux.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 12, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
I really loved my "original Xbox", that one was about the games.
You know me and my kids did not get into the original until well past its retail market death a couple years ago. We have 4 decks here and probably 70 or so games. All in all I don't think it is a bad system, but that shit with the power supply plugs solder joints breaking and all is not cool. I didn't find out about that shit until after I went to plug a cord in and had one spark on me a tad. Nothing got damaged thankfully, but bullshit non the less. After that I broke all the systems down and re-flowed the plugs solder joints and did general cleaning. I'd love to have a deck modded but I have just been to busy to bother with it myself.
Also, Ninja Gaiden Black was not as hard as everyone kept saying it was. I blew through it in a couple days, and I had the flu at that. Awesome game though either way.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on June 12, 2013, 09:47:12 AM
Now you mention it, I had an issue with the power supply myself (about six years ago if I recall correctly), someday it just refused to work. I ordered a replacement, the replacement was defective, got another replacement and it's been working ever since.
Back in the day it was well worth the effort to mod. Alternate dashboards, dongleless DVD playback, plenty of emus, XBMC, installing games on the HDD, etc
Agreed on Ninja Gaiden, it was somewhat difficult but not that hard and certainly a very enjoyable experience.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: fraggore on June 12, 2013, 09:48:41 AM
Also, Forza has a "Driveatar" that drives for you while you're not home.
Why even play the f*cking game.
I saw that. A game that plays itself. Next will be RPGs that level themselves up for you. And FPS games that win the war for you (not that I would want to play those myself anyway). I mean why even have a controller? Xbox ON! Xbox PLAY GAME. Xbox WIN GAME! Xbox OFF!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on June 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
New one, tied to Sting's, "Every breath you take...I'll be watching you!" Hahaha!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on June 13, 2013, 05:19:54 AM
I didn't get an Xbox 1 until they were 99$ used, and I only got it to play Steel Battalion, and all the games that shouldve been on Dreamcast, like Panzer Dragoon Orta
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on June 13, 2013, 05:43:59 AM
only available in select countries and you agree not to sue Microsoft. Wow, what (censored)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 13, 2013, 07:26:19 AM
There was a specific recall for Xbox users back in the day. I followed the recall advice and moved on. The 360 had over a 25% failure rate so that was much worse IMHO.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: roflmao on June 13, 2013, 08:57:27 AM
I read about the power cord recall in a magazine bitd and contacted Microsoft and they sent me a replacement cord with a huge power wart. I still have it, though my original Xbox hasn't been hooked up in awhile.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: KingDrool on June 19, 2013, 09:08:46 AM
And it looks like it is true: http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa
That does not really back up any of the claims on the other link. The QA is old and still states it has to check in via the net, which is what Microsoft has always maintained. They never said it always had to be connected, but that it needed to check in once every 24 hrs.
Key words here: " No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet."
Also, the QA only states vague plans that were already elaborated on in further detail at press conferences concerning trade ins at stores like Gamestop. It doesn't have anything to do with you lending games or selling used games to friends or on CL, ebay, etc. I wouldn't put any faith into anything posted by any third party. Unless Microsoft states it, it is not going to happen, and they are notorious for not changing direction mid-release regardless of consumer fears and complaints.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on June 19, 2013, 10:32:23 AM
Try this link: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
Quote from: Don Mattrick, President, Interactive Entertainment Business
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 19, 2013, 10:37:02 AM
And now they need to figure out how to match the PS4's system power, get rid of the cam, and come down 100 bucks.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheOldMan on June 19, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Sorry, guys, but I won't be buying either one. As for M$oft reversing its position, all I can say is ..... "Hey sony! Where's my ps2 compatibility?"
In 3 years, once its -in- your house, a firmware update will put it back in....
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Bernie on June 19, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
Too late big M, maybe... Depends on if the next Fable is coming on it and if these claims are true.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on June 19, 2013, 10:52:00 AM
Sorry, guys, but I won't be buying either one. As for M$oft reversing its position, all I can say is ..... "Hey sony! Where's my ps2 compatibility other OS?"
In 3 years, once its -in- your house, a firmware update will put it back in....
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: allyourblood on June 19, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
Sorry, guys, but I won't be buying either one. As for M$oft reversing its position, all I can say is ..... "Hey sony! Where's my ps2 compatibility other OS?"
In 3 years, once its -in- your house, a firmware update will put it back in....
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
It still never sat well with me that they removed the option from their later iterations off the console. I didn't buy one near launch and I always wished it had this capability. Still gotta have my darn PS2 under the TV next to my PS3. Not the end of the world, but I wish they would've left the option in.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on June 19, 2013, 02:03:09 PM
lack of seriousness, not a company you want to conduct business with.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on June 19, 2013, 03:17:13 PM
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
It still never sat well with me that they removed the option from their later iterations off the console. I didn't buy one near launch and I always wished it had this capability. Still gotta have my darn PS2 under the TV next to my PS3. Not the end of the world, but I wish they would've left the option in.
Yeah, that does suck. The thing is, PS3 has HDMI output as a standard, while the best that the PS2 has is analog YPbPr Component (aside from raw RGB). A PS3 with PS2 support allows you to continue to play a great library of games but with a digital HDMI connection to your TV instead. Strange to pull back on a good idea like that when you already did the work to create the emulator for the launch model. Well, the market wanted a cheaper PS3 version I guess, so that's that.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on June 19, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
It still never sat well with me that they removed the option from their later iterations off the console. I didn't buy one near launch and I always wished it had this capability. Still gotta have my darn PS2 under the TV next to my PS3. Not the end of the world, but I wish they would've left the option in.
Yeah, that does suck. The thing is, PS3 has HDMI output as a standard, while the best that the PS2 has is analog YPbPr Component (aside from raw RGB). A PS3 with PS2 support allows you to continue to play a great library of games but with a digital HDMI connection to your TV instead. Strange to pull back on a good idea like that when you already did the work to create the emulator for the launch model. Well, the market wanted a cheaper PS3 version I guess, so that's that.
I will say, that I finally got a component cable for my PS2, & there is still quite a difference compared to composite.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Deletion on June 19, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
Glad to hear MS came to their senses... er, succumbed to public pressure and reversed course. Also happy to hear the games will be region-free. Of course assuming Japanese devs will support the new console.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BlueBMW on June 19, 2013, 04:55:57 PM
The only downside to all this.... Gamestop will stay in business. I'd be willing to sacrifice a generation of consoles (with a crazy DRM setup, no used games etc) just so we can see Gamestop die.
Way to backpedal Microsoft... *facepalm*
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on June 19, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
I will say, that I finally got a component cable for my PS2, & there is still quite a difference compared to composite.
From Composite, oh yeah! I bought my YPbPr Component cable very early on, I think within a year after buying the system in 2001. My 32" Panasonic CRT TV really sucks with Composite and the S-Video isn't too impressive either, though somewhat better. Shimmering is almost totally eliminated with the use of YPbPr on it.
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
It still never sat well with me that they removed the option from their later iterations off the console. I didn't buy one near launch and I always wished it had this capability. Still gotta have my darn PS2 under the TV next to my PS3. Not the end of the world, but I wish they would've left the option in.
Yeah, that does suck. The thing is, PS3 has HDMI output as a standard, while the best that the PS2 has is analog YPbPr Component (aside from raw RGB). A PS3 with PS2 support allows you to continue to play a great library of games but with a digital HDMI connection to your TV instead. Strange to pull back on a good idea like that when you already did the work to create the emulator for the launch model. Well, the market wanted a cheaper PS3 version I guess, so that's that.
I will say, that I finally got a component cable for my PS2, & there is still quite a difference compared to composite.
The problem with PS2 wasn't the cables, it's the fact that only a handful of games support progressive scan. I bought North American and Japanese PS3s with full backwards compatibility so I can play PS2 games with a solid image and for the upscaling of original Playstation games. And I'm not a big Playstation fan. But the picture quality of previous Playstations is already messy enough before video output.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on June 20, 2013, 12:52:49 AM
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
It still never sat well with me that they removed the option from their later iterations off the console. I didn't buy one near launch and I always wished it had this capability. Still gotta have my darn PS2 under the TV next to my PS3. Not the end of the world, but I wish they would've left the option in.
Yeah, that does suck. The thing is, PS3 has HDMI output as a standard, while the best that the PS2 has is analog YPbPr Component (aside from raw RGB). A PS3 with PS2 support allows you to continue to play a great library of games but with a digital HDMI connection to your TV instead. Strange to pull back on a good idea like that when you already did the work to create the emulator for the launch model. Well, the market wanted a cheaper PS3 version I guess, so that's that.
I will say, that I finally got a component cable for my PS2, & there is still quite a difference compared to composite.
Indeed there is especially for games with 480P output.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: roflmao on June 20, 2013, 09:18:53 AM
Sorry, guys, but I won't be buying either one. As for M$oft reversing its position, all I can say is ..... "Hey sony! Where's my ps2 compatibility other OS?"
In 3 years, once its -in- your house, a firmware update will put it back in....
Fixed that for ya. They never took away the backwards compatibility, they just quit selling it.
It wouldn't have come off as crooked if they simply did that or if they never had any kind of backwards compatibily in the first place. They cut that feature without cutting the proportionate price of the new bundles and then began selling digital emulated versions of old Playstation games. It would have been cool if the digital versions could be downloaded and run for free as long as a hard copy of the game sits in the disc drive. But they purposefully set out to gouge their previous customers by making them pay full price to play their existing playstation games on the current system. It's cool that there was a bit of freedom for playing digital games. But even if Microsoft wasn't doing it for free at the time, Sony should have made it part of the deal for digital Playstation sales that each old game listed for sale has an unlockable download. Kind of like Xbox Arcade games having a demo version available.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on June 21, 2013, 09:23:43 AM
Don't they all have PS1 backwards compatibility? I don't think that was ever removed.
As for PS2 b.c., the first non-b.c. system (40gb) was $100 cheaper than any earlier system; and when the original 80gb b.c. system was dropped for a non-b.c. version, it too was $100 cheaper.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on June 21, 2013, 01:17:14 PM
They cut that feature without cutting the proportionate price of the new bundles and then began selling digital emulated versions of old Playstation games. ... But they purposefully set out to gouge their previous customers by making them pay full price to play their existing playstation games on the current system.
Oh, so there was no cost cutting in doing this (however small), as in less chips or circuitry in the design, it's a total software emulator and they simply began excluding it ?? If so, yeah, that was a shitty thing to do. I have to buy the system eventually, I did buy one game, Metal Gear Solid 4, so I'd like to play it some day... I guess I could just borrow the system from a neighbor/friend I know that has one. Since the system is dying, with PS4 on the way, I dunno if I should ever really dig into the library the way that I did for PS2. BUT, since I have a decent PS2 library, I would like to own the version that is backwards compatible so I can make eventual use of that HDMI connection. That's a bigger selling point for me in eventually wanting to own it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on June 23, 2013, 04:20:09 PM
Don't they all have PS1 backwards compatibility? I don't think that was ever removed.
As for PS2 b.c., the first non-b.c. system (40gb) was $100 cheaper than any earlier system; and when the original 80gb b.c. system was dropped for a non-b.c. version, it too was $100 cheaper.
Yeah, I could be wrong, but I believe all PS3's play PS1 discs thankfully.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TR0N on June 23, 2013, 07:39:03 PM
They cut that feature without cutting the proportionate price of the new bundles and then began selling digital emulated versions of old Playstation games. ... But they purposefully set out to gouge their previous customers by making them pay full price to play their existing playstation games on the current system.
Oh, so there was no cost cutting in doing this (however small), as in less chips or circuitry in the design, it's a total software emulator and they simply began excluding it ?? If so, yeah, that was a shitty thing to do. I have to buy the system eventually, I did buy one game, Metal Gear Solid 4, so I'd like to play it some day... I guess I could just borrow the system from a neighbor/friend I know that has one. Since the system is dying, with PS4 on the way, I dunno if I should ever really dig into the library the way that I did for PS2. BUT, since I have a decent PS2 library, I would like to own the version that is backwards compatible so I can make eventual use of that HDMI connection. That's a bigger selling point for me in eventually wanting to own it.
PS3 that have the bc in it for PS2 games are the following.
60GB 20GB 40GB
Then with the later models it's dropped but all can play PS1 games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: geise on June 24, 2013, 01:29:28 AM
Not all 40GB PS3's play ps2 games. Mine is a 40gb old model and they will not work on mine.
BTW does the PS3 do any upscaling with ps2 games going through HDMI?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: MotherGunner on June 30, 2013, 02:25:46 PM
The answer is targeted advertising. I've played my 360 a bunch over the years. The only 2 things that I've ever used it for are playing games and buying games off of the XB marketplace. There are other features on the thing to, but I don't care about them. If I want to watch a video I'll use my computer. I don't want my gaming platform to give me ads.
Quote from: article
On Xbox, the ad is part of the actual experience, it’s not something that is outside. The only difference is that the advertisement we have is quite small and not disruptive so people are not aware of clicking on the banners because they know this is a part of the whole experience on the dash,” said the Senior Digital Art Director/UX Designer. “So the users know that this is something that when they click on it, they won’t be hit by something crazy or something dangerous like on the web. Everything that lands there, we create.
Call me a skeptic but I honestly just don't believe this article. I don't think there will be commercials in my games or anything, but I highly doubt I'll ever forget that I'm seeing an ad when I'm seeing an ad.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on July 04, 2013, 05:38:49 AM
Exactly, I just want to put the game in the console and play it. As simple as that. No ads, no promos, no updates, no DLCs, no upsells.
(censored) these (censored).
This is the trouble when Marketing Execs take over product development. They just want too nickle and dime people left and right, charge people as many times as possible. It makes me sick, the greed is dripping and I just can't justify moving forward, we may even have another Video Game Crash if we are not careful.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sunteam_paul on July 04, 2013, 09:02:13 AM
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Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: wildfruit on July 04, 2013, 09:34:22 AM
i can think of a few examplesfrom the past cool spot mcdonalds games i think there was a dominos game on the nes as well but at least you had a choice to buy or not this forced advertising is ridiculous
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on July 04, 2013, 11:38:00 AM
The Dominos game was Yo Noid. Burger King had some promotion at the end of old xbox/early xbox 360 where you'd play the King mascot in some stealth game where you'd find people and give them burgers.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: futureman2000 on July 04, 2013, 11:49:43 AM
Anarchy Online used to have ads for Fanta all over the place. That was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: EvilEvoIX on July 04, 2013, 04:29:38 PM
i can think of a few examplesfrom the past cool spot mcdonalds games i think there was a dominos game on the nes as well but at least you had a choice to buy or not this forced advertising is ridiculous
Some McDonald's games were VERY good. McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure comes to mind and kicks some ass.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esteban on July 04, 2013, 11:43:00 PM
I remember this at the end of TTi's days... (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgsad.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Black Tiger on July 05, 2013, 01:04:43 AM
Lot's of games since the 8-bit generation have ads in them, including TG-16 games. People who don't like them never seem to count game related ads though. You can't play through the first stage of Valis III without a giant flashing neon NEC logo taking up a huge chunk of the screen.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: lukester on July 05, 2013, 01:58:19 AM
Lot's of games since the 8-bit generation have ads in them, including TG-16 games. People who don't like them never seem to count game related ads though. You can't play through the first stage of Valis III without a giant flashing neon NEC logo taking up a huge chunk of the screen.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on July 05, 2013, 04:40:19 AM
I don't mind unobtrusive in-game ads. I'd rather see 'real' fast food joints, gas stations, billboards, autos, etc. than parody versions, but I don't want them to change to what they think I want; that might lead to some awkward questions like "why are all the billboards for KY and zipper masks?"
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on July 05, 2013, 10:13:16 AM
back in the day, I didn't have to see ads when I turned on my NES, GEN, DC, etc and any in game ad didn't use bandwidth.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Black Tiger on July 05, 2013, 10:26:37 AM
Lot's of games since the 8-bit generation have ads in them, including TG-16 games. People who don't like them never seem to count game related ads though. You can't play through the first stage of Valis III without a giant flashing neon NEC logo taking up a huge chunk of the screen.
As a kid, when I first got TG-16, I remember wondering what the hell the billboards in Vigilante were promoting: I was 92% certain that they were other games by IREM, but I had no way to verify it. AND THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT MR. HELI (years later). The advertisement worked, and I was so curious to see what kind of game it would be.
STATUS: In-game advertising from 1989 compelled me to purchase the damn item, years later.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Black Tiger on July 06, 2013, 05:53:12 AM
Back when game rom sizes were tiny, memory was priceless. Yet games still wasted that precious bandwidth on ads.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on July 06, 2013, 05:56:32 AM
Well, my fingers are crossed for xbox1 ads being as unobtrusive as old 8 and 16 bit were.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheClash603 on July 06, 2013, 06:38:12 AM
Black Tiger coming up with a few of my favorite in game ads from BITD, nice post!
Somebody get a good shot of the Noid throwing out pepper in a pizza eating contest and this portion of the thread may be ended.
Perhaps in NES Ultima Exodus when the persons asks "are you decenants of Link?"
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esteban on July 07, 2013, 01:45:05 AM
I suppose there is a difference between simply referencing pop culture (Thighmaster and Working Designs, Ultima referencing Link) versus deliberate marketing/branding...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Black Tiger on July 07, 2013, 03:44:29 AM
I suppose there is a difference between simply referencing pop culture (Thighmaster and Working Designs, Ultima referencing Link) versus deliberate marketing/branding...
Back when games were intended for children though, developers/publishers shouldn't have expected their intended audience to make those kinds of distinctions.
When it comes to WD games, it is a completely failed "pop culture reference" and complete (if unintended) advertisement when you wander through a fantasy world, with a radically different level of industrialization, and speak to an NPC, who doesn't say something elaborate with a very subtle triple-meaning play-on-words hidden within the dialogue, which happens to reference something from the the huge world of varying pop culture (of which commercials play a tiny part)... but instead the entire character dialogue consists, entirely from start to finish, of an advertising slogan.
There's a big difference between this NPC dialogue with four Burger King slogans:
"Well good morning young adventurer! How are you doing this bright and beautiful morning? What am I doing out here so early in the day you ask? Why, I'm fishing of course! I love this place! This special pond is the only place in all of the Valley of Thunder Foxes in which the rare Tanooki Fish lives. What makes this fish so special compared to the other fish around here? Aside from the fact that it is so rare, if you ask me, it just tastes better! Now, because there are so few Tanooki Fish left, I'm not supposed to be catching them, but sometimes you just gotta break the rules! Please don't tell anyone from Ice Block Village that you saw me out here, especially not Chief Thundercracker. He'd have my head on a spike with all the rest in the Canyon of Sorrow! Look, I've caught one now, help me reel it in! Wow, what a whopper! You and I are going to dine well tonight my purple-skinned friend!"
And this NPC dialogue:
"The Burger King Kids Club! It's just for fun, and just for you!"
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esteban on July 07, 2013, 04:54:34 AM
I suppose there is a difference between simply referencing pop culture (Thighmaster and Working Designs, Ultima referencing Link) versus deliberate marketing/branding...
Back when games were intended for children though, developers/publishers shouldn't have expected their intended audience to make those kinds of distinctions.
When it comes to WD games, it is a completely failed "pop culture reference" and complete (if unintended) advertisement when you wander through a fantasy world, with a radically different level of industrialization, and speak to an NPC, who doesn't say something elaborate with a very subtle triple-meaning play-on-words hidden within the dialogue, which happens to reference something from the the huge world of varying pop culture (of which commercials play a tiny part)... but instead the entire character dialogue consists, entirely from start to finish, of an advertising slogan.
There's a big difference between this NPC dialogue with four Burger King slogans:
"Well good morning young adventurer! How are you doing this bright and beautiful morning? What am I doing out here so early in the day you ask? Why, I'm fishing of course! I love this place! This special pond is the only place in all of the Valley of Thunder Foxes in which the rare Tanooki Fish lives. What makes this fish so special compared to the other fish around here? Aside from the fact that it is so rare, if you ask me, it just tastes better! Now, because there are so few Tanooki Fish left, I'm not supposed to be catching them, but sometimes you just gotta break the rules! Please don't tell anyone from Ice Block Village that you saw me out here, especially not Chief Thundercracker. He'd have my head on a spike with all the rest in the Canyon of Sorrow! Look, I've caught one now, help me reel it in! Wow, what a whopper! You and I are going to dine well tonight my purple-skinned friend!"
And this NPC dialogue:
"The Burger King Kids Club! It's just for fun, and just for you!"
I hear you. I'm simply making the distinction between "non-profit/no business contract" "fun stuff" thrown into a game (pop cultural references) VERSUS "commercially-motivated" self-promotion/branding (Gradius in Blades of Steel), paid product placement, business deals sealed with contracts, etc.
SO...I don't mind pop cultural references to a commercial product, as long as nobody is trying to sell me something. This is a principle, but I'm sure there are some really clever/funny advertisements in modern games, I just don't want to pay for a game and still feel like I'm being targeted as a customer (I want to feel as if the game experience itself takes priority—ha! I'm naive. The industry seems to be heading towards 24-7 ads served to consumers game players.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on July 07, 2013, 09:38:04 AM
I suppose there is a difference between simply referencing pop culture (Thighmaster and Working Designs, Ultima referencing Link) versus deliberate marketing/branding...
Back when games were intended for children though, developers/publishers shouldn't have expected their intended audience to make those kinds of distinctions.
When it comes to WD games, it is a completely failed "pop culture reference" and complete (if unintended) advertisement when you wander through a fantasy world, with a radically different level of industrialization, and speak to an NPC, who doesn't say something elaborate with a very subtle triple-meaning play-on-words hidden within the dialogue, which happens to reference something from the the huge world of varying pop culture (of which commercials play a tiny part)... but instead the entire character dialogue consists, entirely from start to finish, of an advertising slogan.
There's a big difference between this NPC dialogue with four Burger King slogans:
"Well good morning young adventurer! How are you doing this bright and beautiful morning? What am I doing out here so early in the day you ask? Why, I'm fishing of course! I love this place! This special pond is the only place in all of the Valley of Thunder Foxes in which the rare Tanooki Fish lives. What makes this fish so special compared to the other fish around here? Aside from the fact that it is so rare, if you ask me, it just tastes better! Now, because there are so few Tanooki Fish left, I'm not supposed to be catching them, but sometimes you just gotta break the rules! Please don't tell anyone from Ice Block Village that you saw me out here, especially not Chief Thundercracker. He'd have my head on a spike with all the rest in the Canyon of Sorrow! Look, I've caught one now, help me reel it in! Wow, what a whopper! You and I are going to dine well tonight my purple-skinned friend!"
And this NPC dialogue:
"The Burger King Kids Club! It's just for fun, and just for you!"
The difference being, you often can't fit a short story in there for dialog, but can replace something pointless in Japanese with something pointless in English.
Also, some of those games shown:
California Games: Real halfpipes at events do the same advertising. I'd chalk that up to doing it right. Vigilante: Perfectly executed plug for another Irem game.
I think what was meant by "bandwidth" was, the ad isn't streaming off the internet somewhere like you see in alot of games now.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: esadajr on July 07, 2013, 12:17:28 PM
I heard something about this. Can you use the discs or are they just available for digital download?
Discs have to be in the system but can't be played natively from the disc. You will get a digital download of the game on your xbox one hdd. So far I think MS, EA, Ubisoft, and Bethesda.
I doubt companies like Rockstar will even sign on to the compatibility since they like to remaster their games
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SuperGrafx on June 15, 2015, 03:25:41 PM
That's pretty cool! Good win for Microsoft!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on June 16, 2015, 02:23:18 AM
Good for MS for doing something good for their customers.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Opethian on June 16, 2015, 02:31:36 AM
so will this play arcade cdrom games with out the use of the arcade card?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on June 16, 2015, 05:20:04 AM
kinda trying this out now. Popped in Mass Effect 1 and now waiting for the Digital Copy to download... 7gb....
I'm on the preview program tho...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sirhcman on June 16, 2015, 05:48:29 AM
kinda trying this out now. Popped in Mass Effect 1 and now waiting for the Digital Copy to download... 7gb....
I'm on the preview program tho...
Let me know how it works out. I haven't even fired on my One in awhile but wish I was in the preview program now! :(
what's your gamertag? I see if I can add you. Just remember tho. you will be doing beta testing for MS updates which means testing their updates before they become official. It might end up screwing your console! You still want in ?
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sirhcman on June 16, 2015, 06:49:28 AM
kinda trying this out now. Popped in Mass Effect 1 and now waiting for the Digital Copy to download... 7gb....
I'm on the preview program tho...
Let me know how it works out. I haven't even fired on my One in awhile but wish I was in the preview program now! :(
what's your gamertag? I see if I can add you. Just remember tho. you will be doing beta testing for MS updates which means testing their updates before they become official. It might end up screwing your console! You still want in ?
Sure, in for 1 screwed up console!
gamertag is sirhcman :)
Thanks!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on June 16, 2015, 07:03:18 AM
kinda trying this out now. Popped in Mass Effect 1 and now waiting for the Digital Copy to download... 7gb....
I'm on the preview program tho...
Let me know how it works out. I haven't even fired on my One in awhile but wish I was in the preview program now! :(
what's your gamertag? I see if I can add you. Just remember tho. you will be doing beta testing for MS updates which means testing their updates before they become official. It might end up screwing your console! You still want in ?
Sure, in for 1 screwed up console!
gamertag is sirhcman :)
Thanks!
Oh I have 'friended' you already. Ok I've invited ya I guess the rest is now up to microsoft to do the rest. Might take a day or 2.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sirhcman on June 16, 2015, 07:15:32 AM
Sweet! Thanks!!! :)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: xelement5x on June 16, 2015, 09:00:44 AM
This looks pretty neat to come out for the Xbox One: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZMBMO06?ref_=pd_ybh_2
Rare Replay: 30 Hit Games - One Epic Collection
A bunch of older/remastered Rareware titles.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on June 16, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
Cuphead is definitely worth the $19.99 I spent. I will wait for Battle Garegga to go on sale, $34.99 is too high IMO
Waiting to get home to load up Cuphead on Steam, I'm pumped. Gonna play some 2P with the girlfriend!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sirhcman on October 28, 2017, 12:52:44 PM
Just finished 200%'ing Cuphead and getting all of the achievements. What a fun and GREAT game, I enjoyed every second of it!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on October 28, 2017, 01:39:45 PM
well done. I sold my X one S back around May and awaiting the X one X but I'm probably going to be busy with other games so might leave it till the new year. Also I want a physical copy of Cuphead !
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sirhcman on October 28, 2017, 01:44:28 PM
well done. I sold my X one S back around May and awaiting the X one X but I'm probably going to be busy with other games so might leave it till the new year. Also I want a physical copy of Cuphead !
It is definitely worth picking up once you get an Xbox One again. There will be a physical copy available at sometime in the future (the studio confirmed it on twitter recently!)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on January 31, 2018, 11:34:56 AM
Well I finally got my XboneX. found a very good deal from Toys R'Us stores since a lot are closing down and had prices reduced greatly so I ordered one online from them. That deal was gone real quick!
On the Monster Hunter World buzz now but the online aspect seems broken so soloin' for now.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on February 02, 2018, 04:15:42 AM
I was dead set against getting an Xbox One ever since the whole always on / no used games thing during its initial announcement. Even when they backpedalled on those features, it was too late.
But a few months ago I bought my buddy's Xbox One S, as that way Microsoft wouldn't get any of my money. I only have Cuphead and Ori & the Blind Forest, and both are pretty great. I like the backwards compatibility thing, but it's a shame more titles aren't available through backwards compatibility. Just like my 360, I'm thinking it's going to be largely a retro console for me.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: sirhcman on February 02, 2018, 05:36:04 AM
I was dead set against getting an Xbox One ever since the whole always on / no used games thing during its initial announcement. Even when they backpedalled on those features, it was too late.
But a few months ago I bought my buddy's Xbox One S, as that way Microsoft wouldn't get any of my money. I only have Cuphead and Ori & the Blind Forest, and both are pretty great. I like the backwards compatibility thing, but it's a shame more titles aren't available through backwards compatibility. Just like my 360, I'm thinking it's going to be largely a retro console for me.
This seems entirely ill informed, short sighted, and petty. Xbone was going to be forward thinking and interesting. In the end, it wound up being more of the same because of the stupid internet backlash to idiots complaining that they can't sell their $60 game back to gamestop for $12 in store credit.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Necromancer on February 02, 2018, 10:40:14 AM
I'm glad they backed off the DRM shit, but I chuckle when peeps say they bought a PS4 instead because of it, seeing as Sony patented similar schemes which they no doubt would've implemented had MS not taken so much flak and backed down.
You'll hear the same silliness about the early 360s. For some reason they won't buy a MS product because they put out a POS (no argument there) yet stood behind 'em and extended the warranty out to three years, but they'll gladly buy something from Sony.... you know, the company that sold all the short-life lasers in PS1s and PS2 and YLOD PS3s and told you to eat shit.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: GohanX on February 02, 2018, 11:34:45 AM
I love the PS1 but Jesus Christ those units from the first few years were pieces of crap. Thankfully they are easy to repair now.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Punch on February 02, 2018, 12:04:34 PM
I love the PS1 but Jesus Christ those units from the first few years were pieces of crap. Thankfully they are easy to repair now.
I have lovely memories of bringing my launch JP PS1 to my friend's house to play a game (Medal of Honor?) and having the console refuse to go through loading screens unless we threatened to throw our flip-flops at it (I'm totally serious, it actually felt like it worked so we kept doing it, and that became our in-joke for a long time).
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on February 02, 2018, 12:10:53 PM
I went through 3 PS1s and 2 PS2s. Still on my first Xbox 360 and that thing got played more than any Playstation I've ever owned. This may be a dumb tin-foil-hat thoery, but I think a lot of the outrage about Xbone was staged by Gamestop. The motive would obviously be to keep their terrible business model of stupid-pawn-shop to screw people out of money. After that, well, if you yell enough on the internet people will agree with you eventually so people joined in on the fun and suddenly it was super trendy to hate on M$ for all the evils they used to abuse kind hearted gamers.
Personally, I hate the PS4. It plays the same games slower than the Xbox, the online infrastructure is worse, and I dislike the interface. Running tournaments on PS4s is a miserable experience. You have to go 3 menus deep to actually delete controllers so that the idiot who played on pad 2 sets ago doesn't f*ck up your game when he sits down with his wireless controller in his pocket. PS4 got Street Fighter V and Shenmue 3 though, so I had to go Sony for the exclusives.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: GohanX on February 03, 2018, 05:00:59 AM
I agree with the early Xbone outrage, Microsoft was being stupid and thinking they could f*ck their customers just because they could.
They have since righted the ship and i generally buy Xbone versions of multiplatform games.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: jtucci31 on February 03, 2018, 05:05:32 AM
I went through 3 PS1s and 2 PS2s. Still on my first Xbox 360 and that thing got played more than any Playstation I've ever owned. This may be a dumb tin-foil-hat thoery, but I think a lot of the outrage about Xbone was staged by Gamestop. The motive would obviously be to keep their terrible business model of stupid-pawn-shop to screw people out of money. After that, well, if you yell enough on the internet people will agree with you eventually so people joined in on the fun and suddenly it was super trendy to hate on M$ for all the evils they used to abuse kind hearted gamers.
Personally, I hate the PS4. It plays the same games slower than the Xbox, the online infrastructure is worse, and I dislike the interface. Running tournaments on PS4s is a miserable experience. You have to go 3 menus deep to actually delete controllers so that the idiot who played on pad 2 sets ago doesn't f*ck up your game when he sits down with his wireless controller in his pocket. PS4 got Street Fighter V and Shenmue 3 though, so I had to go Sony for the exclusives.
Sony is definitely ahead of Microsoft in the exclusives department unless you're super into Halo and Gears of War. But when it comes to online they're both definitely flawed.
Though I don't know how any prefers the Xbox UI homescreen to the PS4 one. It's filled with adds and tiles and junk that feels so convoluted (though I have heard it's gotten a little better).
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on February 03, 2018, 07:19:49 AM
Honestly, both console interfaces are terrible. Neither seem to exist to actually let you play games. I liked the Xbox 360 interface back when it was around though.
I agree with the early Xbone outrage, Microsoft was being stupid and thinking they could f*ck their customers just because they could.
They have since righted the ship and i generally buy Xbone versions of multiplatform games.
Gamestop is screwing people out of money. MS was going to let you gameshare with people for free. Congrats, people like you making internet posts allowed Gamestop to continue to have it's shitty used game pawning and now you have to buy every game yourself.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: GohanX on February 03, 2018, 01:17:33 PM
Yes, I'm crying since I get to buy physical games on sale for $20 instead of them sitting in the digital store for $60 forever.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: GohanX on February 03, 2018, 01:18:29 PM
Besides, who am I gonna share with? Nobody else bought a Bone but me.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: bartre on February 03, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
Yes, I'm crying since I get to buy physical games on sale for $20 instead of them sitting in the digital store for $60 forever.
I will absolutely back this up. plenty of games get pretty much abandoned by publishers and never go on sale after a certain point. plus, Sony/MS store sales blow for anything that isn't considered a "classic" or an indie game.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Punch on February 03, 2018, 04:52:00 PM
Yes, that GameStop theory is very dumb.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ClodBuster on February 03, 2018, 09:16:31 PM
My Jasper chipset X360 bought in 2009 or 2010 is still going strong and has been used thoroughly. The current user interface with the tiles is a smart idea, but there are problems. The ads are annoying, and there's little way of customization. Compare this to gorgeously customizable home screen of the Windows Phone interface to understand where Microsoft missed the mark.
Years later, I bought a Slim PS3. It gets used as a Blu-ray player and Youtube machine mainly. That interface is OK.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on February 04, 2018, 10:09:16 AM
This seems entirely ill informed, short sighted, and petty. Xbone was going to be forward thinking and interesting. In the end, it wound up being more of the same because of the stupid internet backlash to idiots complaining that they can't sell their $60 game back to gamestop for $12 in store credit.
Does your therapist know you get this angry about internet opinions?
I don't care about being able to sell games. I've sold something like two games in my life, and those only because they were duplicates. But I love buying used games. One of my favorite things to do is browsing used game stores. If Microsoft had their way, their products would never appear there.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Punch on February 04, 2018, 12:17:37 PM
I'd still rather game sharing was a thing than used games.
Dude, GameStop is a US only thing. Don't be silly.
Besides, used copies are way better than having intangible goods on a "game share" service where rules can be changed at any second. You know how some games cut the audio off or just don't let you play it when you activate Video Recording?
I never had any Atlus employees coming into my house and taking my used copy of persona 5 off my hands yet.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: ClodBuster on February 04, 2018, 04:22:40 PM
Gamestop also exists in Germany.
The PS3 had HDCP activated not only for blu-ray video, but also in game mode. So you couldn't easily record your games via HDMI.
The X360 had none of that HDCP on the HDMI port. Recording? No problemo.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheClash603 on February 09, 2018, 04:15:38 PM
Xbox One X is my go to multi-platform machine now. If you aren't a PC gamer and wanna play something new, it's the best option. I wish there were a few more exclusives, but that's what Nintendo is for.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on February 13, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
Hm, I never had a problem with either, still have my originals. Had great times with both systems in my younger hey day, before I started to backlog up and drastically reduce any scheduled "me time" for gaming to barely once a year...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on February 14, 2018, 08:06:39 AM
Just curious, did you have an early PS1 or a late one? I had 2 that died before I was done playing FF7 at release that had the 3 RCA jacks in the back. The third one I got was still a larger model but only had the AV Multi-out by that point.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TDIRunner on February 14, 2018, 09:52:44 AM
My original PS1 still works. It was an earlier model with the 3 RCA plugs, plus both the serial and parallel ports.
My original fat PS2 died which I replaced with a slim PS2 which still works to this day.
My original fat PS3 died (yellow light of death). I replaced it with a slim PS3 which eventually stopped reading dics (although everything else worked). I replaced that with a super slim PS3 which still works today.
I have another 30 or so consoles ranging from an Odyssey up to the PS4 and everything works perfectly. The PS2 and PS3 consoles I mentioned above are the only consoles I've ever had fail on me. I'm ignoring a small assortment of consoles I've purchased over the years that were knowingly broken for parts, cases, etc.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on February 16, 2018, 03:41:54 PM
Just curious, did you have an early PS1 or a late one? I had 2 that died before I was done playing FF7 at release that had the 3 RCA jacks in the back. The third one I got was still a larger model but only had the AV Multi-out by that point.
I had to find it for ya, it was stored off and largely forgotten as I can use my PS2 to finish off any PS1 backlog and get YPbPr/Component benefit which PS1 didn't offer. ;)
It's model SCPH-7001, manufactured on July 1998. It has parallel, serial I/O out as well as AV. Didn't know they made ones with full RCA female jacks. I remember I had a GameShark that I'd use on occasion that plugs into the parallel I/O port.
Speaking of FF, I beat Final Fantasy 7 & 8 on it, as well as most of the Squaresoft library. Oddly, when I bought a PS2 and FFX, I skipped forward to beat FFX over FF 9, the last PS1 sequel. I've been meaning to get to FF 9 some day, but as it stands, FFX is the last FF I beat.
I really use to love Squaresoft and RPGs, but I lost a lot of interest as I got older. Besides, those 2 motherf*ckers that left when it merged with Enix formed XXXSEED Games (the president and Ken Berry) and wound up cheating me on my Falcom Ys fan translation projects so that taint affects my opinion further back...
Looking back, it's clear to me I was better off hiring a professional translator for the Ys I&II Complete projects instead of recruiting some insane, suicidal c0ck-flasher from the NeoGeo forums, but hey, at least I learned my lesson and wouldn't do that again. ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on February 17, 2018, 09:10:55 AM
Trust me on this one, FF9 likely isn't worth finishing. If you do ever decide to play it, I'd recommend you get the port on PS4 that includes frameskip because that game is a Slog to get through.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: crazydean on February 17, 2018, 11:42:15 AM
Trust me on this one, FF9 likely isn't worth finishing. If you do ever decide to play it, I'd recommend you get the port on PS4 that includes frameskip because that game is a Slog to get through.
Agreed. There’s also a PC FF9 port. I’d recommend it because it has cheats that can be accessed with menus like speed, money, and exp. It also looks better than the PS1 version.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on February 21, 2018, 09:03:01 AM
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on February 23, 2018, 05:27:45 AM
shut the f*ck up with that terrorism.
T E R R O R I S M
ugh now a bunch of boxtards are going to be like YS IS MY FAVORITE.
DHUDRHDRRUDHDRUDD
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Punch on February 23, 2018, 06:36:33 AM
YS IS MY FAVORITE.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Arkhan on February 23, 2018, 06:50:42 AM
YS ORIGIN IS THE FIRST IN THE SERIES, THIS IS THE BEST NEW RPG SERIES SINCE ZERLDA
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on March 14, 2018, 04:50:48 AM
Finally xbox one is getting some 3rd party support as of late. Sold mine a few months ago since it really doesnt have any games i liked. Only bought it cuz i got a good deal on it and to play with friends online but just wasnt enough to keep me interested
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on March 22, 2018, 06:46:07 PM
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on March 23, 2018, 04:18:49 AM
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on March 23, 2018, 04:33:58 AM
That I Don't know. I hear it will for ps4 but not confirmed
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Winniez on March 24, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
As a mainly PC-gamer Microsoft sure hasn't given me many reasons to get the system. It is just slightly inferior PC basically. That being said there are few interesting exclusives.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on March 27, 2018, 01:53:28 PM
did any xbox one owners download the Kodi app and get it up and running?
I downloaded it a few weeks ago and just now got it up and running and watching stuff.
Some of the stuff is listed incorrectly tho... (https://i.imgur.com/bCMpQ9Z.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Groover on March 29, 2018, 04:40:52 AM
Just curious, did you have an early PS1 or a late one? I had 2 that died before I was done playing FF7 at release that had the 3 RCA jacks in the back. The third one I got was still a larger model but only had the AV Multi-out by that point.
The PlayStation I have is the big model witht he AVout port not the standard RCA connections. It still works but I haven't played it a ton. I did played it a couple of weeks ago. I have been wanting to get the small PSOne and a LCD monitor add-on for it.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BlueBMW on April 10, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
My buddy bought me an xbone x. I only wanted an S, but he went over the top. I really only wanted it for one game... Rare Replay. Guess I outta find some other stuff worthwhile to use it for.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheClash603 on April 10, 2018, 02:49:38 PM
My buddy bought me an xbone x. I only wanted an S, but he went over the top. I really only wanted it for one game... Rare Replay. Guess I outta find some other stuff worthwhile to use it for.
You pretty much need to get PUBG, cause it doesn't even really run without the X.
If you have a racing wheel, Forza is pretty incredible on the X too.
Not sure if you have a gaming PC, if so, the X loses a lot of its appeal.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: xelement5x on April 10, 2018, 02:51:17 PM
My buddy bought me an xbone x. I only wanted an S, but he went over the top. I really only wanted it for one game... Rare Replay. Guess I outta find some other stuff worthwhile to use it for.
It can also do 4K BluRays as well, so there is that ;)
An aside, but I'd grab Ori and the Blind Forest if it looks up your alley, it's one of the few XBONE consoles exclusives I've been interested in.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BlueBMW on April 11, 2018, 02:20:08 AM
I already play pubg on PC. That was kind of the issue with the xbox was that it overlapped PC so much. If I hadn't spent a bunch on a video card then the xbox probably would have been more appealing. What is the xbonex equivalent to.. a 1060, 1070? I have a 1070 in the pc... Perhaps I should grab a racing game just for giggles. Can't say I've played one much since the old Gran Turismos. I've heard mention of Ori several times. Probably should give that a shot.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BlueBMW on April 11, 2018, 02:24:18 AM
The 4k bluray playback is appealing. Unfortunately I was cheap when I bought a 4k tv and didnt opt for one with hdr. Not sure how much it really helps though.
I grabbed super luckys tale. Heard it was decent and exclusive and it was cheap.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on April 11, 2018, 02:30:56 AM
This just hit the xbox stores today. I 've downloaded it but had little time to play. Looks like the xbox version is digital only.
"contains a speedrun mode as well as the addition of a "blood" setting that lets players determine the quantity of blood on display in the game". (https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ArtYsO_X1-hero.png)
Also I'm not liking this that much but it's unique and again put a few minutes just wandering around. (https://i3mwuuua62-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sacrifice.jpg)
Which both are also available on other platforms.
You can look into Red Dead Redemption. the xbox 360 version is backwardly compatible with xbox one and just a few hours ago MS uploaded a patch to bump the resolution playing it on 1X brings the game up to 4k or it can supersampling scale it down to 1080p on non 4k screens
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: roflmao on April 11, 2018, 04:17:19 AM
You can look into Red Dead Redemption. the xbox 360 version is backwardly compatible with xbox one and just a few hours ago MS uploaded a patch to bump the resolution playing it on 1X brings the game up to 4k or it can supersampling scale it down to 1080p on non 4k screens
http://youtu.be/qyoUtEmzCl4
That's pretty slick!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on April 11, 2018, 07:09:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iVVTL9h.png)
Original Xbox games releasing on April 17:
[ul][li]Blinx: The Time Sweeper[/li][/ul][ul][li]Breakdown[/li][/ul][ul][li]Conker: Live & Reloaded[/li][/ul][ul][li]The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind[/li][/ul][ul][li]Hunter: The Reckoning[/li][/ul][ul][li]Jade Empire[/li][/ul][ul][li]Panzer Dragoon Orta[/li][/ul][ul][li]SSX 3[/li][/ul]
Original Xbox games releasing on April 26: [ul][li]Destroy All Humans![/li][/ul][ul][li]Full Spectrum Warrior[/li][/ul][ul][li]Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction[/li][/ul][ul][li]MX Unleashed[/li][/ul][ul][li]Panzer Elite Action: Fields of Glory[/li][/ul][ul][li]Star Wars Battlefront[/li][/ul][ul][li]Star Wars Battlefront II[/li][/ul][ul][li]Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy[/li][/ul][ul][li]Star Wars Jedi Starfighter[/li][/ul][ul][li]Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords[/li][/ul][ul][li]Star Wars Republic Commando[/li][/ul]You’ll be able to play all of these games on Xbox One through the disc you already own, or you can purchase them digitally in the Microsoft Store. Please check back on release day for local market restrictions as regional availability may vary.
Read more at https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2018/04/10/backward-compatibility-april-update/#CtxCCw42C1FcVxck.99
The X360 games below have been added to xbox one Backwards compatibility and have addtional xbox one X enhancements
(https://i.imgur.com/V1WARVj.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: TheClash603 on April 11, 2018, 03:33:39 PM
It would be awesome if Orta had some 4k enhancements or some other fancy shit on the X.
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on April 11, 2018, 04:46:51 PM
And I got one specifically for a remaster of a 20 year old game...
Blast Corps? :derpcat:
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: SuperGrafx on April 18, 2018, 10:42:30 AM
I wish they would somehow include Tenchu: Return From Darkness on the original Xbox bc list. That game was awesome (including two xbox only levels) but really suffered from the lack of dual shoulder buttons. That made aiming the grappling hook a bit tricky.
Good to see Breakdown on the list!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: BlueBMW on April 18, 2018, 11:57:05 AM
I actually really liked Blast Corps. I was glad to see it on there! But no, Banjo Kazooie. And everyone who knows me knows that!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: soop on April 19, 2018, 02:08:51 AM
I got my Xbox one specifically to play Destiny. Monster Hunter might interest me, and I need to try the Witcher 3 at some point, but the whole thing is being used as a chromecast right now
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: seieienbu on May 11, 2018, 07:46:56 AM
Haven't checked this thread in a while. Yeah, Panzer Dragoon Orta looks fantastic in high res...
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on May 12, 2018, 02:50:53 AM
120Hz Comes to Consoles In April, we added variable refresh rate, 1440p resolution support, and auto low latency mode. But we aren’t done just yet. In May, we’re adding support for additional panel refresh rates. Gamers with gaming monitors and televisions that support a 120Hz refresh rate can now turn on 120Hz support for 1080p and 1440p output resolutions. This high refresh rate option means you can now take full advantage of displays with 120Hz capabilities.
Read more at https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2018/04/20/may-xbox-update/#UHVifvkgfooT1rwj.99
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: NightWolve on May 12, 2018, 06:43:36 AM
Speaking of 120Hz, almost had a 39" TV with true 120Hz refresh rate that worked nicely as a dual PC monitor with HDMI (4K at 30Hz max though). It was problematic because the latest BIOS brought it back to 60Hz max for 1080p, but if you grabbed the older BIOS and installed it off the USB port, then you could enable it.
Eventually I returned it, interesting experiment from a newer TV company and after much purchase trial'n'error, I settled on a 43" LGTV because it was beautiful in PC monitor mode, seemed to support 1080p @ 75Hz at least, though it wound up not being genuine.
One thing to watch out for is fake refresh rate marketing on a lot of TV packages. If the box says "Effective Refresh Rate: 120Hz" then it's really a 60Hz panel that uses backlight tricks and whatever to fake it when using Sports picture settings mode.
Also, generally, a TV greater than 55" inches will be a native 120Hz panel, they have to build them that way or they'll suck. Smaller than that, you have to look for a Sony gaming TV and whatnot to get true 120Hz for both TV/monitor features. Most sets under 55" will be native 60Hz panels with fake 120Hz tricks.
I did try an AOC 25" monitor-only panel during this search period of mine years back, wanted 1080p @ 120Hz at least, but the thing was just plain ugly with my PC, returned it quickly to the nearest BestBuy.
But yeah, after trying many smartTVs, I fell in love with LG sets, something about their PC mode for the HDMI port and Game mode picture settings (for lowest lag) worked very very nice for my Windows box, so I could have the best of both worlds, smart platform of apps with remote, tuner, and good monitor mode for the ole PC!
Title: Re: Xbox One
Post by: Digi.k on May 17, 2018, 12:06:50 AM