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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: TR0N on May 13, 2006, 10:29:19 PM
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While some of the demos did impress me such as MGS4.
What make me mad some what is it's priceing :evil:
PS3 with 20gb drive $499.00
PS3 with 60gb drive $599.00
I'm sure the early adopters that have the money will get it.
Still that will leave gamers "who are on a budget out in the cold" untile the price drops.
I don't know about you all but 'it looks like the, Nintendo Wii is getting my money frist this coming fall.
As for the, PS3 i'll probably wait for a couple years befor i buy one.
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The hard drive is not the only difference, the 60GB model supports wi-fi and a number of other features and the 20GB model is not upgradeable for these features.
Anyway, I think the price is fair. The console appears to be extremely powerful and this will without doubt be the winning console of this generation as well. I won't buy it until I can get it for $150 or less, but I will get one eventually. :P
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It's too pricey IMO. The 60GB version + game + tax will set you back $700! Hopefully we'll be able to use our PS2 controllers/memcards too. Although I don't see any reason to *need* memory cards if the HD is there, but I realize memcards are probably the best way to transfer saves between friends/machines/etc.
Not sure what the launch titles are, but I doubt I'll get PS3 at launch. If the price drops $150-$200, then I'll be more likely to pick it up.
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Reminds me of the Neo Geo days. :D I'm certainly not going to be shelling out $600US for a first-generation model, but I'd be willing to pay maybe $400US max for a second- or third-generation model. Experience has taught me to never trust a first-generation console model.
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I doubt you'll be able to save your PS1/PS2 save files on the hard drive. Since the games are designed to check for and save/load on memory cards, the console would need to include some kind of virtual memory card software and I don't think it'll do that.
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Overpriced IMO. I'll wait until the price drops under $300.
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hai hai I too think its overpriced.
Again I'll wait a few years for the price to drop and wait for sony to bring out a small redesigned model like they've done already with the previous two consoles.
I'm more interested in getting 360 and wii for now since those are much much cheaper
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Bah,Im too busy working on finishing a Voodoo 5500 AGP computer project I got going. Trying to find a workible full size motherboard with Via 133 chipset for Intel cpu support. I have a full size,the Av61,but doesn't like Voodoo cards,and I have another that does,but its a micro atx board:( which lacks enough pci slots for me to use.
Yea I also have BX based boards,but ATA 33 is ass.
PS3 will have to just wait for me,and really,Im not interested. The real next gen hardware is on pc. I perfer the ever expanding world of pc hardware and gaming more. i cant even believe that Sony is even doing a 20 gig harddrive,thats laughable.
Home systems are great at launch,usually highly impressive hardware,but these days,they barrow off of people like ATI and Nvidia,and now stand more of a chance at being surpassed quickly by the pc gaming world.
Right now as far as spending more then a couple hundred is concerned,I will prob only be spending it on something like a Ageia card,not a over priced overhyped console. I dont even own a standard HDTV,so that would tack on even more,cause I wouldn't dare try to run a PS3 on a normal tv. Just is not meant for it.
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I think it's way too overpriced and in my opinion, this is going to really hurt PS3's sales. In fact, if it doesn't offer a better deal within so long, I think it will be the weakest console of the next generation. Even with the new stuff you get with the $600 package as Seldane mentioned, I think people aren't really going to give a crap about that stuff because it's still not worth $600 for them. All the casual gamer is going to want is the system and games, and for $600 people will easily overlook that.
Now to my surprise, I thought Nintendo's Revolution/Wii was going to be a total 50/50 system, meaning that it would either completely succeed or fail and from the looks of it, I think it's going to make it.
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Anyway, I think the price is fair.
For a system that plays, Blu-ray yes but as a console no.
Some how sony thinks every body wanted all these features, but realy i think gamers... would just want a console not a multie media center.
Still i like to get one but not at it's launch.
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Sony should've really dropped the blue-ray disc support, it's just too earlier to use that now so it's adding unnecessary cost on the system. DVDs will do just fine for now, so maybe next generation :) .
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Experience has taught me to never trust a first-generation console model.
Ditto that. Well, when it comes to sony anyway.
My beef with sony is: I'm not going to use my games systems to watch movies - why would I want to wear out their already crap grade lazer units by watching movies!?
I'd like oh so much to give sony the finger, but unfortunately the titles I want to play always seem to end up on their consoles.
I'm getting an Xbox 360 if the far east of eden remake is localized here in the states.
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Sony should've really dropped the blue-ray disc support, it's just too earlier to use that now so it's adding unnecessary cost on the system. DVDs will do just fine for now, so maybe next generation :) .
A lot of folks figure that Sony is using the PS3 to popularize their BloooRay format, so I don't think Sony would have dropped that -- it's part of their "master plan", if you will :).
As for the price tag... well, I'm not surprised at all. I thought Xbox 360 was expensive and I crapped my pants when it launched and sold like hotcakes. Having witnessed that (and seeing 360's on ebay going for $800-900 on Thanksgiving), I am now somewhat de-sensitized to these high prices. It reminds me of when the 3DO came out -- except that the 3DO was even more expensive than the PS3 will be (accounting for inflation)!
Actually, even old Atari VCS /2600 was DAMN expensive back in the day (granted I was a kid), so it's hard for me to keep things in perspective. After the 16-bit era faded, I haven't purchased a single console during its launch.
Since I'm still waiting for the price of PS2 to drop :), I won't be getting PS3 for a few years.
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Am I the only one who is tired of the tech wars with consoles? I probably am. I remember back when nintendo first came out just to have a couple different colored pixels and some button mashing made a game ( and they were great ). Nintendo had no rivals for so long that game manufacturers pushed the system to its limits. 3rd generation games on nintendo blew the 1st generation sound and gfx away. Are these game companies really pushing what these current consoles can do?
You can keep a PC for a good 6 or so years now and kep up with even newer games out there, it seems like PC's and console took a role reversal..
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You can keep a PC for a good 6 or so years now and kep up with even newer games out there, it seems like PC's and console took a role reversal..
I wouldn't quite say 6 years,but yea,the basic idea is there. You can recycle computer parts you invested money into and only replace certain aspects to keep going.
This method saves money and and keeps you going longer. Also,pc is usually on average mor ebackwards compataible,no matter what your hardware configuration may be.
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Am I the only one who is tired of the tech wars with consoles?
Nope. I'm also tired of the console tech wars. But at the same time, I do enjoy seeing new hardware come out. The ooohh-new-shiny-hardware side of me is looking forward to the PS3 (more specifically the Cell), but the gamer-side is really really looking forward to Wii. When it comes to buying a new game machine, the gamer-side will win.
Right now there's only two games on PS3 I'm looking forward to, but I'm looking forward to _all_ the Wii games (shown at e3). If Nintendo pulls off the upset of the next gen wars, hopefully Sony and MS will realize it's been all about the games the whole time rather than console specs.
You can keep a PC for a good 6 or so years now and kep up with even newer games out there, it seems like PC's and console took a role reversal..
Well, I don't really play PC games anymore. In my mind, tech took over there too. I miss the old adventure games like Monkey Island and the older style turned based RPGs like Wasteland. Easy to pick up and play for a bit and put down. Today's PC games seem to require too much time and dedication to get anywhere. In some ways, today's console games are the same way.
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I agree with Akamichi. I downloaded Nintendo's E3 conference and I was impressed by what they are doing with Wii and DS. I honestly think Nintendo is finally going to be tops this generation.
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I agree with Akamichi. I downloaded Nintendo's E3 conference and I was impressed by what they are doing with Wii and DS. I honestly think Nintendo is finally going to be tops this generation.
I really think so too. If sony goes thru with PS3 price tag, their user base is going to drop b/c no one has $600 on hand. Sony goes into debt, and all their developers move to the next best system, Wii.
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rolins, that's a bit of an extreme scenario and I don't think it will come to that...keep in mind that there are those, and their numbers are great, that will pay ANY price to get their hands on the latest hardware. And also, don't forget about Sony's HUGE grip on the Japanese market...tons of Sony loyalists that will be willing to cough up the yen. The price won't stay that high for long, if it even starts there at all...this could have just been a test to see how much the consumer is really willing to pay, just as Nintendo did their test with their new console's name (whch yes, is still a stupid name and still makes me wanna take a leak, but I still might buy one if a third party hardware developer creates a normal controller for it instead of the utterly retarded one they have planned for it).
This next generation will be a battle between Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft has already lost this generation. I don't expect to see them try a third time, but they may learn from their mistakes (yeah right) and go for the hat trick the third time, although that's at least two years away.
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It's far fetched I know. Still, I really want Nintendo to come out on top this time around b/c I think they deserve it. I do plan on buying the PS3 one of these days just to play MGS4. However, if Wii gets MGS4 in the near future then forget the PS3 and give me Wii.
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Yeah, I tend to agree with ya. :D I think Nintendo might actually pull it off this time...they might have a decent sized market share again, something they've not really had since the original NES. They've been getting their butts kicked by everyone else (a lot of this was their own fault though) but this time they seem to have a killer product, like the NES was, and they've become more relaxed with third parties so I believe they could pull off a win this time if they keep this positive momentum going and not screw it up with politics.
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Let's not forget how HUGE Sony's user base is. Even if only a fraction of current PlayStation owners upgrade to PS3 during launch, Sony will be struggling to keep up with demand.
Of course, of the three major companies, Sony and Microsoft are the ones who will be selling their hardware at a significant loss... but I think that Nintendo intends to minimize any loss they incur (if any) from hardware sales. I'm not saying Nintendo won't lose any money, but it will be a small pittance compared to the millions of $$$ MS and Sony have to account for.
Personally, I think that PS3 is still "destined" to be a huge success in the traditional mainstream video game market. Even if Sony makes mistakes and messes things up, PS3 will still sell like hotcakes...
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I can't even begin to think about the PS3 or Wii(and X-box has always gone down the path of Tina Yothers for me). I've always been a video game fan, but only within the past year have really started to collect. Well, basically, I've done a lot more collecting than game completing. I have so many awesome games to still play.
I really do look forward to playing MGS4 and will defintely get both the Wii and PS3 in time, but there are more important matters at hand. I guess it will come down to how much cash I have when the time comes.
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LOL at Microsoft having lost this generation, I'm sure that's why they had the best show at E3 by far with the best games. The PS3 was a massive disappointment and the Wii is just a total joke with it's last-gen graphics and "revolutionary" controller that requires you stick a sensor to your TV like a power glove, HAHAHA.
It's between Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo isn't even a contender next gen.
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Everyone has their opinions, but it was the opinion of almost all popular game sites and magazines that Nintendo had the best showing by far. Lines everywhere. Sony and Microsoft? usually none.
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LOL at Microsoft having lost this generation, I'm sure that's why they had the best show at E3 by far with the best games. The PS3 was a massive disappointment and the Wii is just a total joke with it's last-gen graphics and "revolutionary" controller that requires you stick a sensor to your TV like a power glove, HAHAHA.
It's between Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo isn't even a contender next gen.
That's just your opinion. Not shared by many.
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I'm telling you guys, even if you aren't impress with the Wii yourself or not, a lot of people are beginning to. I seriously think Nintendo has the chance of taking the next generation, as Seldane's satistics pointed out. :shock:
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I guess I'll get a Wii first, then decide between the other two later. I doubt they are expecting to be number one, but I see no reason why everybody won't want the Wii as their second system. They might even get a head start riding high off the initial interest.
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Where is that poll from Seldane? I'd like to know who was polled and their polling methods. If it's something like a Gamefaqs or IGN poll or something then uh...completely worthless. :lol: I wouldn't write Microsoft (or Sony for that matter) off just yet. Sony has by far the strongest brand and they still have the best developer support. The pricing does give me pause though. Oddly enough, I spent $600 back in 1989-90 for the Turbografx-16 and CD player, yet now I'm reluctant to spend that much money for a PS3. :P Probably because I'm just not that interested in video games anymore.
With the Wii (still have to laugh at that ridiculous name) I feel the same way I did about Gamecube. Namely that I want to like it more than I actually do. Final judgement will have to wait until I can actually get my hands on a controller and game or two, but for now it looks mostly like a gimmick to me. I'm actually more interested in the Virtual Console and the backward compatibility with GC than the new Wii games that been shown so far. However, since I still haven't made the jump to HDTV (and don't plan to for a few years) the SD resolutions the Wii is aiming at sound good to me.
I was almost set on purchasing a PS3 at launch and having it as my only console next gen when the price was still widely assumed to be $400. The $600 price (the $500 PS3 is a joke IMO like the 360 Core) is way too much though given how little current games appeal to me. And nothing shown thus far for the PS3 has caught my interest, with the exception of Unreal Tournament 2007 (which I could get on PC anyway). The franchises the Playstation is known for just don't cut it for me anymore. Metal Gear Solid? Please, I've been laughing at that ridiculous series since the melodramatic boss death speeches in the the original. Final Fantasy XIII was nothing like what I had hoped for. Blu-Ray? Again, no HDTV so I don't see the point. I wouldn't purchase an HD movie player until the format war gets sorted anyways (and whoever "wins" in the end will still be relegated to laserdisc obscurity IMO).
When it comes to games, I actually am most interested in what has been shown for 360. Like the original Xbox, I find myself liking the 360 more than I thought I would. Oblivion, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Forza 2, Fable 2, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Culdecept 2, Splinter Cell 4, Lost Planet, Cry On...there's a good number of games for the system that I would probably buy if I owned one. However, I don't think I'm much of an avid gamer anymore. I bought quite a few games this generation that I didn't really get into or play much so I ask myself if I should even bother getting another system next gen. Certainly I have enough games (and could buy a few more, particularly RPGs) for current systems to keep me occupied for two or three years. By then all the systems should have pretty good libraries built up, and the price of the 360 and PS3 should have dropped a bit. I'll probably just wait a few years before jumping in. :)
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Think I'll buy a couple of PS3 s and stick um on the bay for some Sony Fan Boy to give me double the price lol ( to fund my engine habit of course ! ). :P
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Actually yeah I don't want to start any system war so my bad on my earlier comment.
But personally the Wii looks pretty retarded these days, and honestly I can't understand the frame of mind that thinks the controller is still a good idea after E3. Probably the same people who are excited about Virtual Console when you can do EXACTLY THE SAME THING only better on a modded Xbox (since it supports EVERY rom out there plus nearly every pre-psx system ever is emulated), minus the Gamecube games.
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Yeah, I'm also skeptical about the Wii controller too. They look like a pair nunchuks, but I guess they'd be pretty useful in a melee fight.
Still you never know until you try it. Even if it does suck there will always be other official and 3rd party controllers. Most likely some ps2 to Wii adapters would be available.
edit: I just read that nintendo is bring out a Wii retro controller. They look like one of those fami clone controllers with two analog sticks.
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Gah that's another thing, how many stupid controller accessories are people expected to have? It's like Nintendo is admitting how bad the controller is and trying to cover it up by saying "look at all these controller accessories that make it into a normal controller like what you get with other real video games systems!"
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I guess the Wii controller looks strange but then the games are written to take advantage of its uniqueness.. otherwise there's this for the less adventurous :
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The virtual console is a great idea. I personally know about 5 people who would absolutely love to play their old favorites again. That said, all 5 of those people dont have a clue in the world about how to mod an xbox. The average joe is computer illiterate. The virtual console is going to be an easy to use option.
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Here are my thoughts on the Wii controller issues:
1. ) When I found out about the sensor thing you have to use for the Wii remote, I was a bit worried that this might ruin the system, especially since the Power Glove did something a little similar. However, here are my reasons why I think it will still work out okay:
a. ) The whole console is designed to use this controller, so if Nintendo wasn't sure this device would work properly, I think they would've just made this some kind of add-on for Gamecube or something instead. If it is sold with the console like it is now, I think we can have a little faith that it should work as well as Nintendo says. If not, this could be one of the greatest video game flaws.
b. ) I found this link (http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/10/nintendos-e3-booth-tour/) the other night and it gave me more confidence with the sensor bar. The following comments are posted on the link I supplied concerning the sensor bar:
8. #3 Quote: "so we have to use the sensorbar to detect the remote?"
Yes, this is how the Wii knows the location of the controller with respect to the screen. You wouldn't need a sensor bar if all the controller did was detect movement (like the PS3 controller, in fact this technology has existed for years), but you need that sensor so the Wii console literally knows the location of the controller in 3D space. This is where the true power of the Wiimote comes into play.
So from the sound of this comment, you don't actually have to literally have to point at the sensor bar when playing games. It seems instead the sensor bar is just there to detect your presence once so it can be used for the entire game. I could be wrong on this though.
c. ) If the Wii controller plays as well as it did when the people demonstrating the Wii controller at E3, then we have nothing to worry about. Of course, this only shows that Nintendo carefully planned the conference so everything worked better than it should, like what you might see on a infomercial.
d. ) If we hear any responsives from people who got to test the Wii from E3 saying it works well enough, then we should have nothing to worry about.
2. ) Even though it's a bit cheap of Nintendo to release another controller for the Virtual Console, it beats using the Wii remote for standard gameplay right? Also keep in mind, the Wii remote not be completely useless for the virtual console either. What about the light gun games? They might design those old light gun games to specially use the Wii remote and if that's the case, the Virtual Console has an advantage over X-Box and real emulation.
3. ) Nintendo already said that the Wii console will offer the four Gamecube controller outputs just like the original Gamecube system. So if you already have a Gamecube controller, you can save yourself money from buying third party controllers and what not. Also by the time Wii is out, Gamecube controller will probably be cheaper than the third party controllers.
Just my thoughts here. I'm liking the Wii and if what I heard about the sensor bar is correct, then the Wii should be as fun as I imagined.
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I said it once before... somebody *has* :) to make a dongle that plugs into the Wiimote that will let you use your old NES, SNES, MD, PCE controllers with the VC! Not only you'll be able to use the original controller, they'll be wireless as well!
If it does happen, it probably will be from some 3rd party.
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Oh yeah, the dongle/adaptor thing will totally happen. I'd say they will hit Lik Sang in no more than 6 months after the Wii comes out.
If I can afford it, I'll buy the Wii the day it comes out and stay up all night playing Dungeon Explorer and Super Mario Galaxy :o
I'm still trying to figure out how much of a tech advantage the PS3 has over the 360. XBOX so far does not offer the kind of games I like to play for the most part, except maybe the SNK and Sega titles on the first one. The PS2 got off to a slow start in terms of software and if the PS3 does the same, it might not be worth gettting one for a while at any price. I mean, if the PS3 was $300 I'd just go with that, but that's pretty much my cutoff line. Of course, that will get you a 360, sort of...
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Of course nobody will release a different controller that you can use "instead" of the Wiimote. The games are designed for it and won't be compatible with anything that works like a "regular" controller.
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wtf?
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The Wii Remote doubles as the light gun?
Looks completely ridiculus.
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Who cares what it looks like? Think of the possibilities with the motion sensors.
After the Gamecube lacking support, I vowed I wouldn't get the new Nintendo console, but probably a PS3 instead. Now, I am really excited by the Wii, the 360 doesn't interest me much and the PS3 looks to be heading for a bit of a disaster.
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I like the gun's handle. Seems nintendo are putting all their creativity into it, but the remote on top is just awkward. Why does nintendo have to put some much emphasis on their remote? It's like it's completey geared towards couch potatoes.
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I like the gun's handle. Seems nintendo are putting all their creativity into it, but the remote on top is just awkward. Why does nintendo have to put some much emphasis on their remote? It's like it's completey geared towards couch potatoes.
No way, couch potatoes don't like jumping around and waving your arms. :wink:
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I saw the light gun attachtment before and I TOTALLY love it! It has a nice, classic NES touch to it, kind of like the Zapper. It would totally be awesome if it comes bundled with the system, but I'm not sure if that will happen. Same goes with the VC controller.
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By the way, one advantage that the Virtual Console has over emulation on PC, X-Box, etc... is that it's a good possibilty they allow you to use the Wiimote for old light gun games. I'd love to play Gum Shoe with that light gun attachment.
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I thinking the Wii Remote + gun handle is going to be flimsy. Starting waving that gun around and probably the remote pops out.
I hope nintendo brings out some retro adapters for the VC, so you can use the original controllers and lightguns. I love to play Track n Field again with the running mat. I had some good memories playing that game against my friends in grade school.
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Me and my bros rebought a Power Pad last summer since we lost ours from when we were kids, so we have had fun playing Track & Field and Dance Aerobics on it :D .
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I thinking the Wii Remote + gun handle is going to be flimsy. Starting waving that gun around and probably the remote pops out.
I hope nintendo brings out some retro adapters for the VC, so you can use the original controllers and lightguns. I love to play Track n Field again with the running mat. I had some good memories playing that game against my friends in grade school.
I thought everyone pounded their fists on the Power Pad (or whatever it was called)? :)
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You can run really fast on it with your feet if you can move your feet up and down quickly. It's hard to explain and hard to perform, but you will do some serious speed if you can master the technique, like my oldest brother. I find it amazing at how well the Power Pad works because when you have to perform the long jumps in World Track Meet, it detects the jump and landing quite well. Of course the jump of the actual sprite isn't as realistic as your real jump ;) .
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Btw if you all haven't herd by now, SNKP is gonna suport the Wii.
Up frist the MS collection http://revolution.ign.com/articles/704/704020p1.html
This is what, SCEA gets for being jerks to SNKP :twisted:
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I heard about the Metal Slug Anthology coming to Wii before, it's pretty exicting stuff. I wonder what the new control feature will be like and if you can enable/disable it.
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Definitely looking forward to MS Anthology and other future Neo Geo games. If anything SNKP really needs to create a STG collection with Pulstar, Blazing Star, Last Resort, and AF 2. I'd pay full price for that.