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Title: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 30, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
I know there was a thread on this back in May 2014 when it was first announced but it didn't come up on may search. Maybe it was deleted. I don't think there is a single user here planing on buying it.

But it is suppose to be release next month. Also a few weeks ago pictures of the motherboard where also released. Still no video of the system in action but that will be soon.



So with it coming out soon and those pics of the inner workings what are some revised thoughts on this new clone system?


I will say one thing.  That custom motherboard is sexy as all hell.

(http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2015/01/13/3jpg-7f792b_960w.jpg)

Founds some more pictures:

Here is one of the case fliped upside down:

(https://d19cgyi5s8w5eh.cloudfront.net/img/bfee57fca3f26c58377340891dee26537d05bccd)  "precision aluminum fabrication"

Here are the controllor ports:

(https://d19cgyi5s8w5eh.cloudfront.net/img/e07d02d168deea5c18d97c11c7d8aff69d899d7c)  "gold plated, reinforced pins"

Seems originally they were just going to use the origianl controllor ports which was a selling feature.  Well seems that the plastic used was not good enough and the original controllor ports were tossed for custom ones made.  In black, but for you who pre-order you can request for the ultra limited white controllor ports.

(https://d19cgyi5s8w5eh.cloudfront.net/img/95dbc8bd8a7b5efee9b4c94893fe5358532a445f)

Seems there was suppose to be video of the system runing games in their super high resolution back in 17 December 2014.  That never seemed to happen.

Also their recent push back of the release from Feburary to April was not their first but a second:

"Analogue Nt Manufacturing Update
 
We are two thirds completed with the Analogue Ntís production. We are currently overseeing enclosure manufacturing and finishing. The Analogue Ntís enclosure goes through a multi step bead blasting finishing process. This aspect of production is one that requires outstanding attention to detail to perfection.

As we wrap up the final stage of manufacturing, weíve run into a consistency issue during the enclosure finishing. To mitigate further delays - the Analogue team will be spending the holidays in China, from December to January. This allows us to personally oversee the final touches of each and every unit, to assure absolute perfection. Once the enclosures are verified and finished weíll be ready for assembly and shipping.
 
Due to this unforeseen hurdle, the Analogue Nt will be shipping in February 2015. "


and one more thing about that scaler/upgrader that they are selling seperatly:

"HDMI Adapter
 
There is one question we receive daily about the HDMI Adapter: ďDoes it function as well as the XRGB / Framemeister units?Ē

Yes.

The HDMI adapter is significantly superior to all of the pre-existing upscaling units available on the market - including the XRGB / Framemeister units.

The HDMI Adapter has a slew of incredible features and a video showcasing all of them will be out on December 17th. We cannot wait for you to see it."

I found all of this on another forum.

As far as those review systems I would have red a guess to those who are either "big ame" you tubers and those who reviewed their previous all wood CMVS.

NAMES LIKE:

CGR
IGN
DESTRUCTOID
Kotaku


Maybe

Gamester81
AVGN
Gamesack (if you ask??)
Total brskit
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on January 30, 2015, 09:58:03 AM
I know there was a thread on this back in May 2014 when it was first announced but it didn't come up on may search.

That's a consequence of generic subject lines.  People like to bitch about the search feature being broken and useless, but the reality is that it works just fine and would be even better if posters would use some common sense.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: bartre on January 30, 2015, 10:43:59 AM
$500?
f*ck that.

I'd rather just use an RGB modded regular system.
plus, if i really wanted to use it with an HDTV, there's an xrgb.
i fail to see the point of this thing.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 30, 2015, 11:15:39 AM
$500?
f*ck that.

I'd rather just use an RGB modded regular system.
plus, if i really wanted to use it with an HDTV, there's an xrgb.
i fail to see the point of this thing.

Hence why I doubt many will buy these systems.......


I would like to see the final numbers. Even then will they even bother with a second pre-order?


Will be fun to see some reviews on this when it hits in a few days.

More over I'd like to see a gamesack review of it. But knowing gamesack that will only happen if one is donated as a loaner similarly how they did the retron 5.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: bob on January 30, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
I know there was a thread on this back in May 2014 when it was first announced but it didn't come up on may search.

That's a consequence of generic subject lines.  People like to bitch about the search feature being broken and useless, but the reality is that it works just fine and would be even better if posters would use some common sense.

Oh, shit.  Thanks for calling that out, boss.  I updated that thread to make it more search friendly.  I will keep that in mind with every character I type from now on.  I need to make sure people can find it 8 months later.   :P
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: SuperGrafx on January 30, 2015, 04:30:01 PM
I wish they would just spell it correctly.  ANALOG...not "ANALOGUE"
What's with the extra letters anyway?  Never understood why it's COLOUR instead of COLOR.  Or just plain old CHECK instead of CHEQUE.

So overcomplicated for no reason.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: wildfruit on January 30, 2015, 05:50:46 PM
If someone made a super cd playable clone for sub £150 id be on it. If it could do analogue rgb for all those beautiful colours I'd send a cheque right away.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: WoodyXP on January 31, 2015, 02:59:28 AM

What's with the extra letters anyway?

Because that's how the French like it.  "Analogue" is their adaptation of the Greek "Analog".
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on January 31, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
this was manufactured and marketed towards nintendoage
they will buy this
anyone who cares about playing NES/Fami in RGB would never waste money on this

people who want to dick wag and e-peen will
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: MrBroadway on January 31, 2015, 09:28:18 AM

What's with the extra letters anyway?

Because that's how the French like it.  "Analogue" is their adaptation of the Greek "Analog".
Meh, close.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 31, 2015, 10:01:37 AM
this was manufactured and marketed towards nintendoage
they will buy this
anyone who cares about playing NES/Fami in RGB would never waste money on this

people who want to dick wag and e-peen will

And yet the only thread on nintendoage I saw was started by the founder of the company behind the Analouge NT/CMVS. That thread lasted all of two months in activity from when it was first announced in May 2014.

I have yet to see anyone who has pre-ordered this. Which is why I view it with very little possibility in having a second pre-ordering for more units.

Heck what ever doesn't sell they might take the boards and sell them naked or put them in a cheaper case and knock down that crazy ass price down to say WiiU territory.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on January 31, 2015, 11:33:03 AM
who knows he  burned all his free advertising opportunities at neo-geo.com and shmups he will probably sell all he had preordered and not make more
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on January 31, 2015, 12:03:58 PM
who knows he  burned all his free advertising opportunities at neo-geo.com and shmups he will probably sell all he had preordered and not make more

How so?  In regards to neo geo
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on January 31, 2015, 01:05:06 PM
he banned from market place on both sites I believe lol
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 01, 2015, 08:08:02 AM
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Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 01, 2015, 08:40:25 AM
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Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 03:52:16 AM
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Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 03:57:44 AM
It may seem like I am bashing this product but I am generaly intersted and have been since the get go.  Sure it is expensive, but I do greatly enjoy the CMVS unit I bought from them a few years back and still enjoy it to this date.  I also like the feedback and response you get when you email/ask questions. 

I am very intersted to see how the final product runs.  I know initally they also mentioned that they would consider doing an all wood verson of this system and a metal verson of their Neo Geo CMVS as well (GOD imagine what THAT would cost?).
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on February 02, 2015, 05:45:53 AM
no it seems like you are talking to yourself

terrible product from a terrible person.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Desh on February 02, 2015, 05:49:57 AM
If their upscale is indeed as good or better than the xrgb that could be the deal of the century (as long as you can buy the add on by itself).
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 06:03:35 AM
If their upscale is indeed as good or better than the xrgb that could be the deal of the century (as long as you can buy the add on by itself).

At the moment it doesn't seem like an option.


But hey never know might become a stand alone option once they send out all these pre-orders in a few more months. 
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 06:08:09 AM
no it seems like you are talking to yourself

terrible product from a terrible person.


I don't see what is so bad about this guys company personably. As a former consumer I liked the transaction. This is less of a singular moder effort and more of a guy who has built a company small as it is and appears to have a clear idea of what he wants to make. The Farrie of gaming systems for the retro crowed.

Yes it is all extravagant. And the pricing seems crazy but that just means your average thrifty gamer isn't not the target audience.


Are for talking to myself eh. Just trying to keep the thread on target with information for those who may care even if they have no intend on of buying.

What harm is there on reporting on what information pictures and what not is there versus linking to old tired articles that mostly have PR force feed from the developer.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: synbiosfan on February 02, 2015, 06:30:37 AM
no it seems like you are talking to yourself

terrible product from a terrible person.

Based off the other Analog products and the delays with the NT, it's hard to argue with your statement.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on February 02, 2015, 07:43:13 AM
What harm is there on reporting on what information pictures and what not is there versus linking to old tired articles that mostly have PR force feed from the developer.

The harm comes from you repeatedly bumping a thread when you have nothing new to add, but you couldn't be bothered to use the enter key the first go around or the edit button a few minutes later.  :P
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 07:49:46 AM
What harm is there on reporting on what information pictures and what not is there versus linking to old tired articles that mostly have PR force feed from the developer.

The harm comes from you repeatedly bumping a thread when you have nothing new to add, but you couldn't be bothered to use the enter key the first go around or the edit button a few minutes later.  :P

Clearly you don't know how difficult and unintuitve modifying or editing a post is when on a touch phone. Hell just getting it to scroll half the time is a real bitch. Which is why I find it vastly easier to post a new response.

I have tried tap talk as an altneritive but I don't know. It doesn't even seem to work currently with this forum as a run error message comes up even when it is trying to notify me of updates or responses. So I alway click through a fumbly web browser when I use the Internet on my phone.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: ClodBuster on February 02, 2015, 08:27:39 AM
Thanks for posting all this information.
Sounds like it's time for a proper computer then? :)
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 08:35:22 AM
Thanks for posting all this information.
Sounds like it's time for a proper computer then? :)

Well I am at work and hey sorta blocked my ability to visit forums lol. Some how they want me to work instead of being all into video games.  Lol

At home the only computer I have is connected to my living room tv.  Mostly I just DL movies and such and never use it as intended.  Even if I did honestly my vision is so loss poor I would really be able to read the txt.

Oddly this whole posting on forums is much easier on my tablet but I inly ever use it when connected to wifi. So at the moment that to is not an option. So everyone here gets to suffer as I butcher the English language and post post post.  Bu wa ha ha
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on February 02, 2015, 08:37:31 AM
Clearly you don't know how difficult and unintuitve modifying or editing a post is when on a touch phone.

I know full well that posting from a phone isn't as good as doing it from a computer.  I also know that several members post frequently from their phones, yet you're the only one that can't manage to consistently post coherent messages.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on February 02, 2015, 08:51:36 AM
no it seems like you are talking to yourself

terrible product from a terrible person.


I don't see what is so bad about this guys company personably. As a former consumer I liked the transaction. This is less of a singular moder effort and more of a guy who has built a company small as it is and appears to have a clear idea of what he wants to make. The Farrie of gaming systems for the retro crowed.

Yes it is all extravagant. And the pricing seems crazy but that just means your average thrifty gamer isn't not the target audience.


Are for talking to myself eh. Just trying to keep the thread on target with information for those who may care even if they have no intend on of buying.

What harm is there on reporting on what information pictures and what not is there versus linking to old tired articles that mostly have PR force feed from the developer.

Enjoy overpaying for a console. This guy is out to make as much money off of misinformed people as possible. Also enjoy overpriced, proprietary video cables If he didn't care about making money he would let you use any AV cable an not his overpriced one.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 09:02:03 AM
no it seems like you are talking to yourself

terrible product from a terrible person.


I don't see what is so bad about this guys company personably. As a former consumer I liked the transaction. This is less of a singular moder effort and more of a guy who has built a company small as it is and appears to have a clear idea of what he wants to make. The Farrie of gaming systems for the retro crowed.

Yes it is all extravagant. And the pricing seems crazy but that just means your average thrifty gamer isn't not the target audience.


Are for talking to myself eh. Just trying to keep the thread on target with information for those who may care even if they have no intend on of buying.

What harm is there on reporting on what information pictures and what not is there versus linking to old tired articles that mostly have PR force feed from the developer.

Enjoy overpaying for a console. This guy is out to make as much money off of misinformed people as possible. Also enjoy overpriced, proprietary video cables If he didn't care about making money he would let you use any AV cable an not his overpriced one.

Granted the cables and controllers are over prices but not needed. Plus most gamers probably have thrones of NES controlers and AV cables bundled in various boxes and hide away places.

For the majority even for the CMVS people only need the system and the power cable. Everything else they either already have or can find much cheaper provided you don't go to a gaming store that will gauge you compairable prices.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 02, 2015, 09:03:53 AM
What harm is there on reporting on what information pictures and what not is there versus linking to old tired articles that mostly have PR force feed from the developer.

The harm comes from you repeatedly bumping a thread when you have nothing new to add, but you couldn't be bothered to use the enter key the first go around or the edit button a few minutes later.  :P

Oh come now I am not the only one here who's post at times look like garbled mess as though someone spit out their ABC soup on the computer screen.


Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on February 03, 2015, 01:17:06 AM
Are you trying to get a beta unit? I don't understand why you are defending this guy so much.


on a side note:
Posts: 1308 (5.011 per day)

you are slipping you used to have almost 8 posts per day. when you keep responding to your own posts to boost your post count it makes you look like you don't think before post. see how I used the edit button to add this info and not start a new post? I don't need more posts post count don't mean shit when there is no substance...
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: wildfruit on February 03, 2015, 02:23:28 AM
If you crave pcefx on the move try windows phone. The tapatalk is very smooth. Much better than ios. I don't know what android is like?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 03, 2015, 05:01:56 AM
I'll work on that post count. Been slipping. 



Not that I ever kept track of that.


I am defending the guy because on a personal level he has done nothing that bothers me. So it is more that you and I have opposing views then me defending him.


As for the beta thing. Nope not a plan. That gives me to much credit that I plan that far in advance. Also the fact that he is unaware of this threads existence to my knowledge. This is just a thread about a product that I have slapped information about together and waited for responses.


But the responses have been largely negative for various reasons. Unfortunately without video of the system in action or specs on the HDMI Upscaler it is hard to say more then ones opinions regarding:

-length of time for production

-use of original PPU/CPUs from junked famicoms.

-looke of the system

-materials being used and thoughts of them as a whole

-price

Apart from that there isn't much more to be said. Unless you have personal issues with Christop, his company, or mix there of.

I have only ever spoken as a interested third party and prior customer of his CMVS which I like mind you I never bothered with the all wood controlors I just use original controlors.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: ClodBuster on February 03, 2015, 05:50:21 AM
If you crave pcefx on the move try windows phone. The tapatalk is very smooth.
+1.
I write 90% of my posts on PCEFX using Tapatalk on Windows Phone. Hell, I can even edit my posts. And I managed to turn off Tapatalk's annoying signature line. Am I 1337 now?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: wildfruit on February 03, 2015, 06:14:09 AM
If you crave pcefx on the move try windows phone. The tapatalk is very smooth.
+1.
I write 90% of my posts on PCEFX using Tapatalk on Windows Phone. Hell, I can even edit my posts. And I managed to turn off Tapatalk's annoying signature line. Am I 1337 now?
Dunno let me ask Cortana.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: ClodBuster on February 03, 2015, 06:55:27 AM
What's her reply?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 03, 2015, 07:52:46 AM
If you crave pcefx on the move try windows phone. The tapatalk is very smooth.
+1.
I write 90% of my posts on PCEFX using Tapatalk on Windows Phone. Hell, I can even edit my posts. And I managed to turn off Tapatalk's annoying signature line. Am I 1337 now?


Maybe it is because I am using an iPhone?  I don't know. I use to use android and loved it. But then I changed phone companies/plans to my wife's and since the migration I went ahead and got me a fancy pants iPhone. Some times I feel like a chimp in the opening scene to 2001 a space odyssey


Also I am just last most of the time when it comes to editing or reducting a post to add relivent information. Maybe I'll use a computer later today and reformat this whole thread a bit more.

and updated......although I couldn't find an option to delet the comments made prior when I condenced the information.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: ClodBuster on February 03, 2015, 09:18:45 AM
No worries, I'm not here just to annoy you. :) so I'll keep my mouth shut until I've got something more productive to say in this thread.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 03, 2015, 10:00:24 AM
boring. this topic is boring.


Thank you. It is a specialty of mine.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on February 04, 2015, 01:03:58 AM
He is raping PPU and CPU from units. It sounds like you don't know anything about this guy and his ethics or you don't care. I hope his endeavors all fail and he deserves it.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 04, 2015, 01:40:46 AM
He is raping PPU and CPU from units. It sounds like you don't know anything about this guy and his ethics or you don't care. I hope his endeavors all fail and he deserves it.

I addressed that in one of my post. I am fully aware of that.


But in this instance I am in the camp of I don't care due to mass availability of these chip sets from old systems. Yes at some point with any legacy system that is no longer being produced this WILL be a problem.


But it is no where near as bad as taking parts out of a play choice ten, arcade unit, or can abolishing a game that might be more rare/short supply to make homebrew a and other mods.

The best solution would be to recreate the chip sets maybe even redesign them smaller and better but that takes time and money which I don't see anyone investing either in at this time.

Personally I have gone for the cheaper option of that kickstarter that replaces part of an original NES front loader for a better connection. $20 was more in my budget.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on February 04, 2015, 02:07:29 AM
Isn't this the guy that flat out lied about sacking old systems for the chips, claiming they'd use only new components?  I don't deal with flaming pants.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 04, 2015, 02:34:55 AM
Isn't this the guy that flat out lied about sacking old systems for the chips, claiming they'd use only new components?  I don't deal with flaming pants.

No but he did dance around it for two months before confirming on the Neo-geo forums that was wxactly what he was going to do.


This lead to a very funny famicom holocost of 2014 meme IMO.

I an blanking on his forum name but there is one member on the Neo-geo forums who is very knowledgable on the engine rings side of what makes a NES tick and he basically tore Analoug NT a new one calling out all the bosting that was misleading PR on what was being achived.


Things like steep being impossible and at best it is a mix stereo mono that was being created and not true stereo sound as the five channels that sound is broken up into that the NES chip can creat limits the ability to creat true steep audio. That and none of the NES games where made to use stereo but instead the five channel sounds.

He was also VERY vocal on the sacking of CPUs and PPUS from old systems as a detramint to keeping old systems alive as it makes the rest of the system a pile of trash taking out the brain.

Which is why yes the best option would be to make your own POU and CPU and possibly enhance or shrink it all down. But that simply isn't happaning.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: synbiosfan on February 04, 2015, 02:44:53 AM
The forum members here don't seem interested.

You may just want to talk about it at NG.com. You're taking heat here that should be directed at Christoff or whatever his name is.

There's plenty of topics people here do want to talk about.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: ClodBuster on February 04, 2015, 05:57:23 AM
Just out of curiousity (and again, since I'm plain dumb lol), please tell me what's steep audio.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on February 04, 2015, 06:06:42 AM
Just out of curiousity (and again, since I'm plain dumb lol), please tell me what's steep audio.

Lol.  No no that is just my thumb typing skills.


Stereo is what it is suppose to read.
Title: Analouge NT
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 04, 2015, 08:02:25 AM
This thing seems great. Try to get a case like that made anywhere in the U.S. and you're looking at probably $500 already. It's a boutique item for well off people who love NES and if I gave two shits for that system I'd certainly look into it.

You can't fall into the falacy of comparing the price of something manufactured at home in quantities of hundreds or maybe only dozens to mass produced items like XRGBs. They are both gaming electronics, but beyond that they are as different as space travel and onion farming.

That being said, I don't like the NES very much, I don't really care for rich-ass Euro Neo fans, and their company name is not only stupid (why is everything you sell digital?) but their logo is extremely similar to that of Arturia, which is also French, and actually makes analog electronics, so you'd think they'd think that through some more.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on February 04, 2015, 08:14:51 AM
All you are buying into in his products is his marketing.

Everything is amazing when you understand nothing...
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on August 31, 2015, 04:13:08 AM
All you are buying into in his products is his marketing.

Everything is amazing when you understand nothing...

I gleefully understand little and comprehend less.  :-"
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Arkhan on September 01, 2015, 06:56:54 AM
A coworker has one.  I held it.  It seemed nice.  Saw the video quality.  Not worth the price if you already have an NES of some sort.

I still prefer my Famicom + AV mod.   It's cheaper.

I also don't approve of the sale of Famicom controllers that I assume are gutted from real machines.  What happens to those machines?

Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Black Tiger on September 01, 2015, 07:26:50 AM
I assumed that they were making use of some of the millions of unwanted broken NES units floating around.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Opethian on September 01, 2015, 02:27:07 PM
he robbed the CPU and PPU from the system so salvage whats left right?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on September 02, 2015, 03:28:06 AM
he robbed the CPU and PPU from the system so salvage whats left right?


Not sure about your phrasing but yes?


In that he took hundreds of not a few thousand (no idea on production numbers) of broken systems (all of them famicoms) and removed the PPU and CPU and mounted them on (custome) PCB boards for the new housing used in his duo Famicom/NES system.

With the optional daughter board that Krevious made to give it HDMI out put capability for modern TVs. still reruns the ability for AV out.

Apart from all of that I couldn't comment on the reuse of Famicom controllers. Considering you can still buy new old stock of Famicom controlors meant to be connected directly to the back of a Famicom. I picked up a controlors two with mic for like $15 as few old stock from a Japan Video Game eBay seller. With shipping it came out to $26. Do it is possible they bought some controlors in bulk. Or repurposed the controlors to systems that were junked for use with a NES system.

The whole use of PPUs and CPUs is a point of contemptible for some. Personally I don't see an issues.

What you are telling me any one individual or group of people are going to spend the time money and resources to buy broken systems in bulk just to rebuild and refurbish them at cost to preserve the original system only to resell it to other people and break even? 

No would be Never happen. So repurposing as much of these old systems to allow them to play the original games on more modern TV systems pressuring as much as possible for your everyday not tech none multi part upscakmg guy/gal this is better then expected.

Sure you cons get comparable results with other cheape options or even emulation but for some this is a hybrid system that meets their needs.

For many the price is outside what they can or willing to spend. Some the sum of its parts is viewed as waste full and not needed. Redundant even.

For the smaller group that want it and have bought it. Well bully for them.


Sure some think owning it is for idiots with to much money other that it is a status symbol. And you bet your ass for some who bought one of these that's exactly what it is. But not for all.


Hell in every aspect of gaming retro gaming. Collection what ever your world view of who and what you are being it comics or tooth brushes there will always be those who get interested in your hobby for what you view as "the wrong reasons".

I say at the end of the day. If there is something related to your hobby that interest you excited you Kees you motivated to engaged in your hobby then that means there are still other people with that same passion and drive to try and find new ways to add to that hobby.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on September 02, 2015, 03:51:20 AM
That's almost regalsin quality writing.  Bravo.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: esteban on September 02, 2015, 04:14:59 AM

That's almost regalsin quality writing.  Bravo.

Yes.

He is to be commended for staying focused on one topic, though, so I appreciate that.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: jtucci31 on October 19, 2017, 03:03:28 AM
So I tried to reread through some of this old thread, but I can only take so much medic_wheat grammar-less posts.

Has anyone seen the Super Famicom/SNES NT that he's doing now? This one looks way more affordable (to a degree) at $190 with some cool looking variants. From what I understand, I think the FGPA concept is pretty cool considering what this aims to do, which is to get you to play old carts on an hdtv with no lag and perfect quality intact. I would certainly say this is an interesting and cool concept that isn't nearly as high-roller as the NES one he did that was half a grand.

 https://www.analogue.co/pages/super-nt/

Though, I'm also bumping this thread because I don't really know the reasoning behind the hate for kevtris here. Wasn't this the same guy that also pretty much debunked the Retro VGS with his FGPA board? On the Giant Bombast at around 1:16:50 ish they talk about the potential for there to be a PC Engine one of these things, and they talk about kevtris' reluctance (and almost flat out disdain) for this community as a reason for him to never do one for the PC Engine. (Link to podcast https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/ (http://here/)) Did this have anything to do with previous members who have since quit? Current flack? Are you guys that opposed to the idea of something like this for the PC Engine?

I'm mainly just really curious and really not trying to stoke any fire here. I wasn't totally keeping track of threads involving this stuff because I wasn't totally interested at the time, and also just lacked knowledge on the subject.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on October 19, 2017, 04:17:01 AM
I don't think many here hate kevtris; it's the other way around, where he hates us because of this thread.

But whatevs.  If he wants to hate the entire forum because a whopping two or three people bitched at length and a handful more complained in passing that it's too expensive (who's gonna seriously argue that it's cheap?) while the vast majority of the active members had no opinion or were supportive, then f*ck him.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 05:05:41 AM
I never got the impression people here disliked Kev.

More so the majority disliked the company Analouge for the price point of the Nt.

That and I believe the delays for the first batch of systems.

I feel with the cheaper price point of the Super Nt Analouge as a company will end up with a larger consumer base.

I also suspect Kev will sent out an unofficial patch to allow the Super Nt to play many other 16-Bit systems similar to the Nt Mini.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: sirhcman on October 19, 2017, 05:48:05 AM
When is the Zimba 3000 coming out?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 06:15:22 AM
When is the Zimba 3000 coming out?

I have a feeling Kev is just going to lease out the various FPGís to Analouge or similar and abandon the Zimba
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: sirhcman on October 19, 2017, 06:24:21 AM
When is the Zimba 3000 coming out?

I have a feeling Kev is just going to lease out the various FPGís to Analouge or similar and abandon the Zimba

:( I was hoping that wouldn't be the case but if it gets products to the market faster then I guess it is a good thing
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Arkhan on October 19, 2017, 07:11:24 AM
That thread is always a good time.

We all got to make fun of Smoke Monster, me and DK agreed on something, there was a picture of an asian lady at one point.   It was one of those rare times everyone basically kind of agreed on something.


Some people take a communities price suggestions into consideration when releasing a thing.

other people ... disregard it, get mad, let their friends make it worse, and then pound sand in the other room.

It's whatever.

The problem was the pricing, and that idiotic, irresponsible ignorance+hype fueled free-market NES trainwreck 700$ BS.   

Nobody with half a brain appreciates more things contributing to dumb prices, especially when we all basically said the price sucked and was unreasonable, and later events have proven that to be true.

This wasn't "oh the trolls and shitty members that quit ruined everything".

people like to try and do that, and throw like, ProfProf under the bus, but nope.

Its kind of over-reacty, anyways.   That shit wasn't really worth taking your toys and running to a different playground.

Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Black Tiger on October 19, 2017, 08:02:06 AM
I think that the guy selling goods using kevtris' stuff took heat for pretty much only coming here to spam the same ad that he copy/pastes into every retro gaming forum.

That and taking all the info and advice he could for mods and then gouging pcbs based on forum members' designs without kicking anything back to the designer(s). kevtris would probably be pissed if this guy was using his work without paying him anythjng.

Instead he's pissed off at the community he doesn't know and isn't a part of.

I have nothing against him and think he's very talented and designs great products. I won't be banning or blacklisting him from anything.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on October 19, 2017, 08:13:17 AM
At least the prediction that he was setting a price precedent didn't come to pass (or at least not permanently), as you can get 'em easy for $300 or less.  That's still seems like an awful lot for a dang NES, but video mods are kinda pricey on other systems too.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Arkhan on October 19, 2017, 08:18:39 AM
It definitely wasn't permanent online at least.

Locally at conventions and stuff?  lol.  It's a goddamn shitshow still.

Something about seeing it in person at a table, with the crowded convention, the noise, the "this might not be here later" and the "oh man I can go home and play this ASAP" makes people COMPLETELY STUPID.

Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: gojira1954 on October 19, 2017, 08:57:33 AM
All the analogue products up to the FPGA stuff has had zero interest from me - MVS/NES rehoused in a ridiculous 'luxury' case is wack IMHO.
The mini nt was tempting because of the unlocked cores but the price was still taking the piss.
I've preordered a snes nt (w/no pad!) - £187 so far, hopefully won't get battered by customs too :s
My RGB modded AV famicom with an everdrive came in at less than this but if the snes nt can replace it I think FPGA consoles could well kill my original set ups
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on October 19, 2017, 08:59:46 AM
Convention shit eaters don't count.  They'd be gouging the f*ck out of 'em no matter what, same as they do for everything else they have on offer.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Black Tiger on October 19, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
All the analogue products up to the FPGA stuff has had zero interest from me - MVS/NES rehoused in a ridiculous 'luxury' case is wack IMHO.
The mini nt was tempting because of the unlocked cores but the price was still taking the piss.
I've preordered a snes nt (w/no pad!) - £187 so far, hopefully won't get battered by customs too :s
My RGB modded AV famicom with an everdrive came in at less than this but if the snes nt can replace it I think FPGA consoles could well kill my original set ups

At least MVS is real hardware.


I've seen it mentioned in several random threads on atariage that this hdmi kit still has audio and misc problems. Maybe atariage and/or Atari FPGA support will be boycotted next?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 19, 2017, 09:10:35 AM
I sometimes wonder why you guys get so upset by some of these prices. New game machines from the majors are $400 now, and those are all shat out of a robot in quantities of tens of millions. Controllers are now $70 after tax. How well will an Analogue NT hold its value? I donít know, but I have a mint condition XBox 360 here with like 20 hours on it that I canít even GIVE away so Iím thinking probably better than most new machines.

You try making something in a non-volunteer/scenester capacity where profit, or at least breaking even, is necessary to keep the place open and see what the final price tag says after a whopping 115 people put down a deposit.

Look, Iím an OEM-only kinda guy when it comes to video games, pretty much. They made the best gear and the truest experience and thatís generally all I want, personally. I currently have no need for this stuff. When I want to play games, I reach for old plastic from SNK, NEC, Nintendo, and Sega. HOWEVER, in Medical Weedís crazy (mostly deleted) garbage posts there was one thing I think was a genuine good point. He mentioned (Iím paraphrasing here) that when a billion dollar company aims a product at rich a$$holes you donít have a problem but when itís like a three man team you start a f*cking campaign against it.

The PC Engine LT was basically $1000 when it came out. On a good day in 1992 you could buy a new car for $4k. The price of a Laseractive (before it was eventually reduced to $70 or whatever) made the LT look cheap. In the ďbasicĒ SuperCD system was $400-1000 depending on configuration. Then there is the Supergrafx which is probably best described as ďripoffĒ since it was $500, basically a $100 fee for each game made for it since anyone buying it probably already had a PCE. And when you look at the timing of things itís pretty hard to buy that didnít NEC know the SGX would never have ten games of its own when they sold it. They cancelled the system themselves and then charged twice the price of a regular system.

And we all love all NEC machines and want every one of them (well, to varying degrees...) despite the actual build quality being...well, really good, but they sure donít have alloy cases and gold tipped connectors and chips physically robbed from other systems by hand one at a f*cking time...

So why is it we all love sucking the cocks of giant corporations but any individual that tries to develop a product suffers from the Guess Whoís Coming to Dinner problem...that is, itís ďOKĒ but only if the individual is essentially morally perfect, possess at least one advanced degree, and comes with a list of references to prove it?
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: gojira1954 on October 19, 2017, 09:18:24 AM
>At least MVS is real hardware.

That's the reason for me that the snes nt is worth a punt, not having real hardware but it behaving in an identical manner.
I've tries various software based emu setups - mame 15khz pc, pi etc and all of them are noticeably out when compared to real hardware.
A FPGA set up that can do multiple machines perfectly sounds good, and for me maybe it's time to lose the piles of crts
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
Letís simplify this.

Who here bought any of Analogues clone systems?

What are you thoughts as a owner/consumer?

Does anyone here intend to buy the Super Nt? 
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on October 19, 2017, 09:40:52 AM
Someone's been huffing model glue.  :P

1.   Opining that something is too expensive doesn't mean anyone is upset.  I don't have a need for the fancier stuff; I'd much rather pay $100 for a unmolested NES and a bunch of common (but great) games and live with composite.
2.   I also think new consoles are overpriced at launch.  They're much better deals after a couple years (they're $250 now) and have more games I want to play.
3.   Controllers for PS4 and xbone are $45 on amazon.  The only ones that're $70 are the Switch ones, and they're widely panned as overpriced.
4.   Not that many members have LTs, SGXs, or LAs because (surprise!) they're generally considered overpriced and not terribly useful.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 09:41:11 AM
As for myself

Yes,

The all wood CMVS love it

And the Nt (before the mini)

Thoughts?

Love the MVS although I admit only have not used it in two years due to having put it in storage for fear my toddler will wreck it. And pending possible move this year.

As for the Nt well.

Love the build. Love the features.

Was disapointed the scaler wasnít what was initals peomoted or promised.

Was disapointed I couldnít have HDMI and RGB

Was disapointed when they kept changing the dang thing with improvements.

Makes me want the Nt mini as it has everything I wanted from day one but I donít want to buy a third Nt.

Bought one. Sold it for profit and used the money to buy two more from the second batch.

One of the two new ones I gave to my brother in law.


As for the super Nt. I like it.

But because of my experience with the Nt I feel as though I should wait for revisions to see if the thing will later support both hdmi and RGB as well as get a all metal case variant.

Iíd prefer my nts to match in build quality instead of having one cool metal Nt and a super Nt thatís all plastic.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Arkhan on October 19, 2017, 09:47:40 AM
Its not that we require morally perfect, advance degree, totally referenced people...

its that were all skeptical when the price of something doesn't make sense.

Overcharging for something just because you need to pay bills or keep your niche market thing open is lame.

When the new thing is priced so high that it becomes a less than viable alternative, people are going to complain.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: turboswimbz on October 19, 2017, 10:00:11 AM
Ehhh, I just can't justify paying this much for something that would be just duplicating, what I already have.   It seems great, maybe I will upgrade to one of these after some revisions.   

Sounds like you've had pretty good experiences with these.   And I like we are getting closer to zero lag new systems that work with modern TV's.  To add to the thread, these are something I am going to keep my eyes on. as I don't really plan on getting and upkeeping PMVs and CRTs at the moment.

Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Arkhan on October 19, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
upkeeping CRTs is annoying.

The SNES already outputs RGB though , so I don't get it.

I get it a little for NES with it's sort of pain in the ass mods.  But, since the alternative is priced around the same it's like 'well this doesn't help as much as it could...'

but, the NES looks like shit anyways, so f*ck ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 10:37:13 AM
Ehhh, I just can't justify paying this much for something that would be just duplicating, what I already have.   It seems great, maybe I will upgrade to one of these after some revisions.   

Sounds like you've had pretty good experiences with these.   And I like we are getting closer to zero lag new systems that work with modern TV's.  To add to the thread, these are something I am going to keep my eyes on. as I don't really plan on getting and upkeeping PMVs and CRTs at the moment.



I think the lesson I had to relearn is this.

Donít be the first person with the pretty new toy.

Wait for revisions

It worked out for me and the PS4.

I only recently bought one and I feel like itís pretty much where it needs to be after four years on the market.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 19, 2017, 11:05:00 AM
As for myself

Yes,

The all wood CMVS love it

And the Nt (before the mini)

Thoughts?

Love the MVS although I admit only have not used it in two years due to having put it in storage for fear my toddler will wreck it. And pending possible move this year.

As for the Nt well.

Love the build. Love the features.

Was disapointed the scaler wasnít what was initals peomoted or promised.

Was disapointed I couldnít have HDMI and RGB

Was disapointed when they kept changing the dang thing with improvements.

Makes me want the Nt mini as it has everything I wanted from day one but I donít want to buy a third Nt.

Bought one. Sold it for profit and used the money to buy two more from the second batch.

One of the two new ones I gave to my brother in law.


As for the super Nt. I like it.

But because of my experience with the Nt I feel as though I should wait for revisions to see if the thing will later support both hdmi and RGB as well as get a all metal case variant.

Iíd prefer my nts to match in build quality instead of having one cool metal Nt and a super Nt thatís all plastic.

What kind of mutant toddler do you have than can destroy an MVS? What MVS? Most ďbig redsĒ have logged dozens of hours with kids literally hanging like monkeys from the joy sticks at Showbiz Pizza.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
I think you are confusing MVS (arcade machine) with CMVS which is a consolized arcade board.

I had a MVS arcade but sold the big red beast last year. At the behest of my wife.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Necromancer on October 19, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
Shoulda sold the wife instead.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 19, 2017, 11:20:27 AM
Shoulda sold the wife instead.  :twisted:

Lol. Oh it didnít end with the arcade.

Sold two of my four coke machines (all 50ís era).

Also a while ago gave away one of the two PVMs I had.

Basically if itís by and bulky she wants it gone.

Wait. I am big and bulky. Hmmmmm
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: turboswimbz on October 19, 2017, 11:28:25 AM
Shoulda sold the wife instead.  :twisted:

Lol. Oh it didnít end with the arcade.

Sold two of my four coke machines (all 50ís era).

Also a while ago gave away one of the two PVMs I had.

Basically if itís by and bulky she wants it gone.

Wait. I am big and bulky. Hmmmmm

Ahh the big box of stuff makes sense now.  Glad to be your dumping ground hahahahahaha
Title: Analouge NT
Post by: esteban on October 19, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
A: Drama queens want drama.

Plus, ranting about the price of Analogue NT was therapeutic, I reckon. Two-Minute Hate, and all that.

I have ranted about things, most certainly, but since I wasnít in the market for this niche product, I didnít really pay close attention to the details. I wonder, though, if I would have felt differently if I had been following all of the announcements ó> speculation ó> updates ó> reactions more carefully.

I kinda feel cheated that I didnít follow this more closely...but I still think I would have been indifferent to Analogue NT overall. 

In contrast, I followed the Retro VCS/Chameleon saga closely and that was incredibly entertaining and well-worth the time. That saga had a bonafide clown/villain, so it was a ready-made circus.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 19, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
I think you are confusing MVS (arcade machine) with CMVS which is a consolized arcade board.

I had a MVS arcade but sold the big red beast last year. At the behest of my wife.

Ah, you left a C out so I thought you had both.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Zero_Gamer on October 19, 2017, 01:46:35 PM
f*ck... That's all I got to say... f*ck!
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 23, 2017, 08:10:50 AM
https://imgur.com/gallery/GTIKv

Thatís kinda cool
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 23, 2017, 08:11:34 AM
(https://imgur.com/gallery/GTIKv)
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: jtucci31 on October 23, 2017, 08:20:16 AM
(https://imgur.com/gallery/GTIKv)
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: lukester on October 23, 2017, 08:52:53 AM
I'm really disappointed that Factor 5 is forcing people to buy a $200 clone console just to play the complete build of Super Turrican (the full 6 Mb rom with a cut level, graphics and weapons)

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/16497794/analogue-super-nt-super-turrican-directors-cut-snes

Hopefully it gets dumped.
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Arkhan on October 23, 2017, 10:44:29 AM
It will be dumped.

also lol.

Of all the shit to pack in and be amped up for.


Turrican.

gross
Title: Re: Analouge NT
Post by: Medic_wheat on October 23, 2017, 11:38:32 AM
It will be dumped.

also lol.

Of all the shit to pack in and be amped up for.


Turrican.

gross

It is kinda like the SNES Classic and having Starfox 2 on it.
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 23, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Now that Tatsujin has bailed on us for people who arenít already bored of his collection is there anyone here who doesnít think Turican sucks? Frenchman, Germans, etc?
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: lukester on October 23, 2017, 04:19:47 PM
Now that Tatsujin has bailed on us for people who arenít already bored of his collection is there anyone here who doesnít think Turican sucks? Frenchman, Germans, etc?

Depends which turrican games. There's a clear divide between the Amiga games and the console games

Mega Turrican is a phenomenal classic, although the Alien stage drags on a bit too long

Super Turrican 2 looks great but sounds and plays bleh
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 23, 2017, 04:57:55 PM
Itís all a bunch of industrial Probotector runoff as far as Iím concerned.
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: Arkhan on October 23, 2017, 06:20:04 PM
I will concede that Mega Turrican is kind of OK, but when you could just play Contra Hard Corps, I can't see a great reason to dive at Super Turrican.

Now that Tatsujin has bailed on us for people who arenít already bored of his collection is there anyone here who doesnít think Turican sucks? Frenchman, Germans, etc?

I legit loled at this.  Probably the  most accurate shit said on this forum in the past 2 years.
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: nopepper on November 01, 2017, 07:45:02 AM
So I was legit going to order one of these things, because:

-i admit to being a video snob in my old age, and i have an og, non 1 chip SNES that makes my eyes bleed with its blurry RGB in comparison to the PCE, Genesis and NES. Considering people are charging over $100 for a 1 chip SNES nowadays, this seems like a good alternative for better video
-i can plug it into any modern tv with no fuzz, so i can bother the wife playing Mega Man X 2 and its horrible music in our bed room tv
-i've been curious about these FPGA consoles, so this seems like a good entry point to see how well these work in comparison to the real thing

But then I went to check out and they are charging me $30 for ground shipping?!? So its not really a less than $200 clone console after all, given Analogue is adding 15% for shipping charges.

This is just as bad as "just pay extra processing and shipping" for my free Snuggie. So the question is, is it worth $220?
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: Arkhan on November 01, 2017, 07:49:38 AM
30$ to ground ship an SNES? lolwtf

don't those fit in 15$ flatrate boxes
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: GohanX on November 01, 2017, 09:37:56 AM
The Super NT appears to be much smaller than a real SNES, so yeah shouldn't cost more than a few bucks to ship. Welcome to Analogue!
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 11, 2017, 02:51:56 AM
https://i.imgur.com/PfJkzA5.jpg

(https://i.imgur.com/PfJkzA5.jpg)
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: ClodBuster on November 12, 2017, 05:28:13 PM
What does the asterisk regarding compatibility mean?
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: Medic_wheat on November 13, 2017, 12:12:16 AM
What does the asterisk regarding compatibility mean?

It means it was taking performance enhancing drugs.
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: ClodBuster on November 13, 2017, 12:31:36 AM
"Vertical position stretch" does come in handy when playing squished PAL games. On some of them like Super Metroid, the wrong aspect ratio is really obvious when comparing the size of the vertical and horizontal domed doors.

My old Grundig CRT TV had a hidden service menu where I could adjust the geometry on-the-fly for every source signal whenever I wanted, just as with a PC CRT monitor. My Samsung CRT had a rather bad menu that was only available at startup time and also only shew the preview on RF sources.

I've seen external circuits that are able to shift the geometry horizontally, but unfortunately I haven't seen one that also does stretch: https://playoffline.wordpress.com/cable/rgbshifter/
Title: Re: Analouge NT/Suoer Nt now with more Turrican 2
Post by: Nexus7 on July 15, 2018, 06:01:31 PM
Just a couple of things. 

1. I've had my Super NT since launch and I have to say it more than lives up to the hype.  The implementation of the SNES via FPGA is highly accurate and all the extra features really make this my go to system for playing SNES games.  First Analogue system I bought. 

2. I speak to Kevtris a decent amount on a Discord chat and I can say with confidence he is a good guy who just wants to make neat toys for people in the retro community. He's one of the most humble guys I've ever talked to considering his talents. The amount of work he puts into these products is insane. He rarely gets free time to do other things now. I just hope people appreciate what he has contributed to the retro gaming community.