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Title: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on September 30, 2015, 05:05:12 AM
Hi everybody.
Few years ago i've made some hucards. Some members have bought them through ebay. (http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/41/82/92/megama13.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/14418292/1557)
Now, a new version is available. Much more "sexier" than the old one. (http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/41/82/92/dsc04010.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/14418292/1544) (http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/41/82/92/post-519.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/14418292/1558) Two colors available black and white. It's nearly a flashcard. Can handle 1Mo/8mbits roms (depends on your soldered tsop eeprom)
They are 2 parts : - the pcb "card" - a laser cutted polypropylene mask, must be glued on the bottom side to achieve the right thickness. Without it, the card can not work properly (as it does not make contact).
2 mask sizes available : - "short", the card can be reprogrammed (with the mask glued) - "full", the card can not be reprogrammed
The adapter is fully compatible with the GQ4x and Willem programmers. (http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/41/82/92/th/dsc04017.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/14418292/1553)
TSOP eeproms compatible : [ul][li]39SF020 (2Mbits /256ko)[/li][li]29F040 (4Mbits / 512ko)[/li][li]39SF040 (4Mbits / 512ko)[/li][li]29F080 (8Mbits / 1Mo)[/li][/ul] PS. Just in case : for a 384ko game you'll need a 512ko eeprom and for a 768ko game you will need a 1Mo eeprom.
Be careful, soldering skills are required : you'll need to solder TSOP chips !
IMPORTANT *** UPDATE 02/2016
Concerning "MASK" (the polypropylen part) Now you send to fab YOUR mask as it takes too much time to fab & ship them (takes 1 month last time to fab them...I prefer to stop) Files are avaible on the bottom of this post (ready to send to fab) You can make mask with Ponoko (USA), Formulor.de (Europe/Germany),...
Prices :
"DIY" CARDS (you will have to solder the tsop eeprom part), price for pack of 5 cards. (no mask) [ul][li]x5 white card : 19$[/li][li]x5 black card : 24$[/li][/ul][ul][/ul]PRE-SOLDERED CARDS , price for 1 card (no mask). [ul][li]x1 white card + 512ko : 6$[/li][li]x1 black card + 1Mo : 7$[/li][li]x1 white card + 512ko : 7$[/li][li]x1 black card + 1Mo : 8$[/li][/ul] [ul][li]Mask only : 1$ -- not available --[/li][li]Adapter : 8$[/li][/ul] Prices are without shipping Can be with or without tracking, insured...
FILES TO FAB THE MASK PART - Card "long" https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0mxpc24h62wbn5/HuCARD_cache-UNIVERSEL-courtProg.eps.zip?dl=0
- 1 complete sheet 384 x 384mm / 15.100x15.100 inches (7 "short" and 21 "long") https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjtrr6g22folfmr/hucard_pcb_21long%2B7courts.eps.zip?dl=0
ps. Files are EPS Illustrator files.
Ponoko website (USA/New Zealand): http://www.ponoko.com/ Choose Delrin (0.032 inches)or PETG - Clear (0.039 inches) as material (Acrylic seems not to have right thickness)
On Formulor* (Europe based on Germany) http://www.formulor.de/ Choose Acrylic (1mm) or Polypropylen (0.8mm)
Payment : Paypal - 120 cards of each color in stock - laser cutted masks are made in Germany (on demand). Fab takes ~10 days.
Due to forum restrictions/rules, instead of a prepared rom set this is a little soft to prepare your rom before flashing it. http://tinyurl.com/HuCONV-v1-5 (detect header, region and removed them/make region free) No install, just unzip and drag your rom.pce on the icon to get your prepared rom. Make in python 7 (if somes want the .py file, PM) - Compiled for windows (.exe)
For GQ4x users, i've made some lines to add at your customdevices.txt (or create it if you do not have it) [/list]
This makes me so hopeful to someday have a hucard game I worked on. Wow, these are awesome. I might buy some just to have them in-case we actually finish our homebrew effort :D
But man, I just hope these are only used for the power of good, I kinda wish they only came in extreme colors like neon orange to match the turbo color scheme, or purples/reds/teals to match PCE.
Whatever they are, I think this is awesome.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: xelement5x on September 30, 2015, 08:28:11 AM
Very very neat! Thanks again for your hard work on this, the improvements are stellar.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 30, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
I have to have some of these.
I can solder tiny stuff no problem, but I'm %99 sure I'll never be able to flash them and I'll probably smash my head against the wall so many times trying that I'll lose my ability to solder.
The technical folks that make this kind of thing always say how easy the software side of things is, seemingly aware that not everyone is immersed 24/7 in computer crap. Hopefully this won't be one of those cases.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Punch on September 30, 2015, 10:31:05 AM
Man if the components were soldered I would be all over it. I'm the inverse of SignOfZeta, no problem with software but a hand too shaky to solder lol.
Good luck with your sales!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: IvanBeavkov on September 30, 2015, 11:10:17 AM
These look cool. I'm curious how do you print the labels? Also, what do you use to glue the card and mask together?
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 30, 2015, 12:23:49 PM
Man if the components were soldered I would be all over it. I'm the inverse of SignOfZeta, no problem with software but a hand too shaky to solder lol.
Good luck with your sales!
If you flash them, I will assemble them.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Jibbajaba on September 30, 2015, 12:33:03 PM
Those black hueys look badass.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: esteban on September 30, 2015, 02:49:22 PM
Gorgeous.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on September 30, 2015, 06:49:13 PM
Thanks guys !
Actually *I can* presolder eeprom (i've got some soldering skills, a reflow oven, solder paste) but i do not have stock on eeprom and no specific stencil for the oven for the card (to place the solder paste on the right place). I will make a quote if you're interested. (with each type of eeprom soldered)
The label is "just" a sticker.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: wilykat on October 01, 2015, 02:17:58 PM
Looks wonderful. I would be all over this if I could program a decent game, I could assemble a very limited autographed and numbered run then watch everyone go nut on eBay trying to be the highest seller while undercutting other seller by $0.01 cent
Alas my programming skill got left behind when C64 was all but extinct outside Commodore clubs and forums. I tried to take up ASM on Atari 2600 and I was able to produce something static but never developed beyond that.
It is hard to teach new trick to this 41 year old dog!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Punch on October 02, 2015, 09:56:37 AM
Man if the components were soldered I would be all over it. I'm the inverse of SignOfZeta, no problem with software but a hand too shaky to solder lol.
Good luck with your sales!
If you flash them, I will assemble them.
Hey if you're serious and geographically close that could actually be a nice partnership, unless ichigo decides to presolder flash chips.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on October 08, 2015, 09:06:08 PM
I've bought a stencil for my reflow oven (will arrive in few days) So I could sell some cards pre soldered.
For the moment i've got only some 39sf040 (max 512ko) eeprom in stock (~50) Prices will be adjusted accordingly.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 08, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
brb making Magical Chase bootlegs
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on October 08, 2015, 11:33:07 PM
Like this ^^
(http://i.imgur.com/NAVjDHo.jpg)
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: NightWolve on October 09, 2015, 12:57:39 AM
^ That's nicely done, much prettier than the original I think!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 09, 2015, 10:24:09 AM
Woah, that's a cool image, where'd the art come from?
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on October 09, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
I do not remember perfectly, maybe from deviantart.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: HailingTheThings on October 09, 2015, 04:24:35 PM
I see, I see. <3
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 09, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
Oh, and the rondo x was bid up by yours truly. And whos gonna pay for it? NOT THIS GUY!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 11, 2015, 09:57:45 AM
Well that's a relief.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Phase on October 11, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
those black ones are really cool, great solution for overpriced games and homebrew, maybe you should stick to black only so repros are easy to spot, and leave white (or black) to home brewers.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: xelement5x on October 12, 2015, 08:31:57 AM
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Trenton_net on October 13, 2015, 03:20:23 AM
These look pretty nice! Too bad it requires specialized tools and soldering skills to use. If there was someone offering pre-made cards (as nice as the sample pictures), I'd be interested for sure. Especially since it opens up the door to interesting homebrews and translations.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on October 14, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
These look pretty nice! Too bad it requires specialized tools and soldering skills to use. If there was someone offering pre-made cards (as nice as the sample pictures), I'd be interested for sure. Especially since it opens up the door to interesting homebrews and translations.
I'm with you on that. Any chance we could get something like that for reproductions or homebrew games?
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: tool on October 14, 2015, 07:31:34 PM
These look good! Nice Job! :clap:
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on October 15, 2015, 09:16:10 AM
Thanks ;)
I've made a little update on my script ton prepare rom before flashing. Now it makes 2 roms : - 1 for JP console - 1 for US consoles (as their datas lines are reversed)
I'm waiting some tests from a friend (because i've only got Japanese consoles) before releasing it.
+ I will put the prices for hucards pre soldered (not preflashed)
For any question PM me.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: roflmao on October 17, 2015, 05:21:30 PM
ichigobankai, these are awesome!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on October 17, 2015, 09:35:16 PM
Thanks !
I've put the price for pre-soldered cards and an update of my little soft (to prepare rom before flashing). Now my soft makes 2 files, one for JAP consoles (***[PCE].bin) and one for US consoles (***[TG16].bin)
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Lost Monkey on October 18, 2015, 05:54:02 AM
I've put the price for pre-soldered cards and an update of my little soft (to prepare rom before flashing). Now my soft makes 2 files, one for JAP consoles (***[PCE].bin) and one for US consoles (***[TG16].bin)
It looks like you may want to edit this, as it currently looks like I can buy 5 presoldered white 512k cards for either 8 or 9 dollars or 5 presoldered black 1M cards for either 9 or 10 dollars.: :wink:
Quote from: ichigobankai
PRE-SOLDERED CARDS, price for 1 card.
x5 white card + 512ko (+ mask*) : 8$ x5 black card + 1Mo (+ mask*) : 9$ x5 white card + 512ko (+ mask*) : 9$ x5 black card + 1Mo (+ mask*) : 10$
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Trenton_net on October 18, 2015, 08:12:31 AM
Seeing as how I'm a somewhat technical person, I looked into what it would take to get a full setup since it sounds like an interesting project to try. Please correct me if I am forgetting something:
- GQ4x programmer is probably $80-$120 - The actual cards (Pre-soldered if you can't solder) $8-$10 per pcs. - Masks (Not sure if these come with adhesive or if you need to manually crazy glue these yourself). - Adapter for programmer (No pre-soldered version available?). Comes free with order? Not sure. - Color printer, if you plan to print labels for your cards. Does a pre-made template exists? Or can you use a thermal printer to print directly on the cards?
I could probably swing most of that, but my biggest problems would be soldering the programmer adapter kit together, and worrying about label printing since I have no idea how that is done. There doesn't seem to be any information on how the original samples were produced. This is a super nice product, but it sounds like unless you plan to make it a side business it might be too much money/work for people to get going. And for that matter, if someone does decide to make it a side business, you have to compete with others who are thinking about doing the same thing.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on October 18, 2015, 09:29:54 AM
Thanks Lost Monkey ^^
@Trenton. Masks are the plastic part glued on the bottom to achieve the right thickness. With each card comes a mask. You just have to choose the short or long version. Short is reprogrammable after paste whereas the long one can not be reprogrammed.
For the label, yes i've got a template. I will add it tomorrow (a photoshop PSD file, made at 600dpi)
The original project was not for "classic" people, but for those who already have soldering experience and materials. My only main goal was to make a nice "low cost" hucard.
So :
- the mask are not adhesive, use strong fast-drying glue.
- The adapter if fairly easy to solder, it's dip type (through hole). It comes in kit to be much more easy to ship Not included with the cards.
- label : adhesive photo paper. I'm using this : http://tinyurl.com/Sigel-waterproof-film A little bit expensive, but very high quality.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 18, 2015, 02:56:47 PM
For those interested in a 3rd party review of these things, I have some on the way. I'll be sure to let everyone know what I think.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: EvilEvoIX on October 18, 2015, 04:00:47 PM
Amazing quality!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: RNSpeed on October 25, 2015, 01:57:19 AM
Excellent, those cards pcb's looks awesome
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on October 26, 2015, 10:10:24 AM
god damn, those hucards are sexaayyyy!!!!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Punch on October 26, 2015, 10:41:18 AM
Honestly, I am so very excited to hear your opinions. I might pick some of these up with the hopes of finishing our home-brew and putting them on these cards.
Thanks!
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on October 29, 2015, 07:51:25 AM
I would definitely like to pick up a magical chase one to upgrade my repro cart with the chip on the hucard plus other ones im interested in
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 29, 2015, 08:09:54 AM
You retards need to understand the language that needs to be used in a thread like this. It's not that hard.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: chop5 on November 05, 2015, 07:29:26 AM
got some in the other day. used a 29F080 i salvaged from a dead xbox1 console. takes some getting used to with the GQ4X in getting the card pins lined up just right with the adapter but works good once done. the gq4x wont recognize the chip id so i just ignore and it erases and writes pretty fast. gonna try other roms and experiment with it a little. thanks ichi,your shipping was incredibly fast.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 05, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
I got mine. Quality is superb. I don't have much else to say. Perfection?
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Gredler on November 05, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
I got mine. Quality is superb. I don't have much else to say. Perfection?
Thanks for the review. Do you feel like flashing these could be performed by an absolute beginner with absolutely no rom flashing experience? Did you get the black, white, or any other variants?
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: TheOldMan on November 05, 2015, 12:29:29 PM
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Do you feel like flashing these could be performed by an absolute beginner with absolutely no rom flashing experience?
It's really not hard to do. The nice thing is, if you mess it up you can erase the chip and try again :)
(Do check the file size, though. It drove me nuts not working until I realized I needed to remove the header from the file)
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on November 06, 2015, 05:24:19 AM
Thanks guys ;)
IMPORTANT Do not forget to create (or edit) the customdevices.txt file in the GQ4x directory and add the lines i've written in the 1st post. Because the 29F080 description for the cards is not the same as the 29F080 already available in the list. With the Willem programmer, you'll need to move the jumpers for 29F080 / 39SF040 - 29F040.
To prepare your files before flashing, use my little app available in the 1st post (named huconv v1.5) it will remove header and generate 2 files (for US and JAP hardware)
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: Sarumaru on November 06, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Wow... these are beautiful. Great job! I hope these are around for a good minute because I have a little project in mind for this.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on February 05, 2016, 04:06:01 AM
Hi guys, some of you send me PM recently. I'll update prices & offers in few hours. To be short : I'll remove the mask part, as it take too much time to fab (last time 4 weeks...). So I'll give EPS files to make/fab them by yourself.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on February 05, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
Update made. Prices lowered (~1,5$ on each card type)
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: turbokon on February 22, 2016, 07:59:09 AM
I ordered some of these. Fast shipping and they look awesome.
I'm using a GQ-4X4 (not the GQ-4X) programmer. I can't get it to recognized the eeprom using the huprog adapter. I have loaded all the lines to the customdevice.txt as stated earlier in post. Has anybody else came also this?
Btw this is my first time flashing an eeprom so it could be a user error.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: turbokon on February 23, 2016, 03:22:14 AM
Finally got a few hucards successfully programmed last night[emoji41] (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/a6c44cb3616230117d3d75280ee57037.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/fcaaf46c6af8c2e0eb2026889507a4de.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/60ea3d1283d13358a35b525a0f0300ae.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/67a9032765d130811fa10180ad301658.jpg)
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on February 23, 2016, 03:52:16 AM
Nice :wink:
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: NightWolve on February 23, 2016, 02:58:18 PM
Ah, so they're from that French team.
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: SplatterTrigger on February 23, 2016, 09:25:05 PM
Ahhh
Title: Re: "homemade" HuCARD for translations / homebrews/ repros
Post by: ichigobankai on April 24, 2016, 02:08:23 AM