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Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 15, 2016, 01:24:03 PM
Hey guys, so myself, thesteve and brraap have been working own our very own reproduction/custom hucards for several months now and they will be available for sale in mid may or so. Prices will be $45 each plus shipping. They will come in custom cases. They will be available for sale on my website at www.tg16pcemods.com (http://www.tg16pcemods.com/) and/or through me or brraap directly.
Updated: The standard single game white reproduction hucards are now available for everyone to order. These are made to order and we should be able to make most games ever released on the US turbografx-16 & PC-Engine hucard library. Every game will come in a custom mini size clamshell case, similar in size to the ps vita cases, and will have inserts. Prices are $45 each plus shipping. Domestic shipping via USPS priority mail is $6 for up to 3 games. For international orders, send us your address with your order and we will provide the exact shipping cost. For ordering, please pm me or brraap with your orders and we will get back to you with a paypal invoice at which payment is expected. These will be fulfilled on a first come first serve basis.
When messaging us with your order, please include the following:
1. Game choice 2. Required system region (us tg16 or jpn pce) 3. Required software version (us tg16 or jpn pce release) 4. Address (for international customer) 5. Paypal id
Only the standard single game white reproduction hucard are available at the moment. The black and gold version of our reproduction hucards will be available late June. With the black and gold version, we will offer them in three different configuration option: single game selection, single game but duo region and duo games but single region. Both the single game duo region and duo games single region works with a build in miniature slide switch mounted along the edge opposite side of the contacts on card.
Updated: 02/05/2017 3D printed jewel cases are now available with the repro hucards and also separately. The new jewel cases are $12 before shipping and includes both front and rear inserts. The mini cases are no longer available. The repro hucards are now without cases with the option of the 3D printed jewel cases at additional cost. New prices (before shipping) for repro hucards, $40 for single game hucard, $55 for dual region hucard and $60 for dual games hucard. Please order directly from www.tg16pcemods.com (http://www.tg16pcemods.com/).
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Post by: esteban on April 15, 2016, 01:27:23 PM
I have a TED.
BUT DAMN.
THESE CARDS ARE SO DAMN NICE.
I love the aesthetics, the quality, the awesome.
The awesome.
I love them.
OMG collextaridsm bubblikg up in my veins!
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Post by: Zero_Gamer on April 15, 2016, 01:29:10 PM
Man... Great work! Those look amazing! Or as my 15 year old would say... Those are amaze-balls!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on April 15, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
I love how these cost infinitely more than PCEWorks' CD bootlegs, yet these three games aren't being sold as a set with a sticker wrapped around a dollar store energy drink for $400.
Very nice balance of authentic aesthetic and distinctively not original HuCards.
I might be interested in physical copies of homebrews if they become available down the road.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: VenomMacbeth on April 15, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
I might be interested in physical copies of homebrews if they become available down the road.
Ditto! Especially for translations. Valkyrie no Densetsu, Gekisha Boy, and Son Son II would be definite buys...and Etrnal City, if that ever gets finished!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Killjoyy027 on April 15, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
These are really nice, this is great for gamers that want to play these game but do not want to pay the outrageous collector prices for the originals.
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Post by: Punch on April 15, 2016, 05:01:43 PM
Do you have black & gold cards planned (like the one from the french user)?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 16, 2016, 02:29:01 AM
Do you have black & gold cards planned (like the one from the french user)?
Yes we are planning to have black and gold cards for the near future.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Sennachereb on April 16, 2016, 06:57:21 AM
=D>This looks wonderful! I will certainly be in on this!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: TheClash603 on April 16, 2016, 07:51:20 AM
I like this a lot, but also really like the idea for homebrew releases. If someone approaches you guys and asks to help them put out their homebrew on a new card, would you be able to do it? I assume price would need to go up in order for the creator of the game to get a cut too, which could be the trickiest part of the process in negotiating.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: slinkyturd on April 16, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
Any chance they are available loose? Not a fan of the snap cases. I'd rather fish around for recycled actual cd cases.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: schweaty on April 16, 2016, 11:15:23 AM
The cases are like $2 to produce. Not gonna make a difference on the price
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: sirhcman on April 16, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
Are these reproductions thicker or thinner than actual hu cards? The only thing I would be worried about is messing up the pins on your pce/tg16 if they aren't the exact same spec as the originals.
Also is the little arrow part where you hold the card a sticker or actually etched into the hucard?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 16, 2016, 12:51:05 PM
Are these reproductions thicker or thinner than actual hu cards? The only thing I would be worried about is messing up the pins on your pce/tg16 if they aren't the exact same spec as the originals.
Also is the little arrow part where you hold the card a sticker or actually etched into the hucard?
They look to be the same thickness as the chucards? So like perhaps a smidgen thicker than og hueys?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on April 16, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Are these reproductions thicker or thinner than actual hu cards? The only thing I would be worried about is messing up the pins on your pce/tg16 if they aren't the exact same spec as the originals.
Also is the little arrow part where you hold the card a sticker or actually etched into the hucard?
Looks like the same gold print as the text.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: thesteve on April 16, 2016, 01:57:04 PM
the thumb print and text is etchings with plating underneath
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: seieienbu on April 16, 2016, 02:09:33 PM
This is exciting news.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: wilykat on April 16, 2016, 03:22:15 PM
Can you make repro Hucard based on Tennokoe bank card that's hacked to have more than 4 banks? The original Tennokoe likely uses 8KB SRAM chip and larger SRAM chip are easily found such as 32K (16 banks) and even up to 128KB (64 banks) Make it with battery holder for easy replacement.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Galder on April 17, 2016, 12:42:58 AM
Very pro work ! :clap:
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 17, 2016, 03:08:47 AM
We are also working on two games card by adding a switch. It will possible to have two games in one or same game but for both tg16 or pce.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Galder on April 17, 2016, 03:23:52 AM
Cool, will you ship to the UK?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Clacker on April 17, 2016, 04:35:38 AM
Wow, those are some beautiful looking cards. That must have been a huge undertaking. I can't imagine how much the mold for the plastic must have cost.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 17, 2016, 07:34:50 AM
Wow, those are some beautiful looking cards. That must have been a huge undertaking. I can't imagine how much the mold for the plastic must have cost.
Just guessing here but I think these are PCBs with a custom white solder mask, not plastic.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Johnpv on April 17, 2016, 07:52:35 AM
Can't wait to get a chance to pick these bad boys up!
Also the idea of tenokoe bank repro with easily replaceable battery would be AMAZING. Or maybe some one could program a similar thing but in english and one that let you move things individually.
I love how these cost infinitely more than PCEWorks' CD bootlegs, yet these three games aren't being sold as a set with a sticker wrapped around a dollar store energy drink for $400.
So much this too. These are so reasonably priced considering. Thank you guys!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on April 17, 2016, 08:19:13 AM
Shouldn't the TG-16 version of Tatsujin be called Truxton?! :)
Not unless someone has made a title screen hack for Tatsujin that I'm not aware of.
Bloody Wolf for TG-16 isn't named Battle Rangers like the Western release of the Bloody Wolf arcade.
On a similar note, I always wondered why an awesome title like "Darius" was changed to "Sagaia" (or whatever it was called).
I am fine with changing titles to make them sound better (Mega Man > Rockman), but....maybe "Sagaia" sounded more fitting for "swarms of alien ships"....
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: sirhcman on April 18, 2016, 12:47:49 PM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: smbulletz on April 18, 2016, 02:33:25 PM
Can't wait! Please take my money!!!! :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: sirhcman on April 18, 2016, 02:51:30 PM
AWESOME NEWS ON THE SGX STUFF! (http://www.hobowars.com/images/mb_icons/freakout.gif)
was there ever any consideration for making the hucards a flat/matte gray color? might be neat looking if you could do something like that..
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: shabba on April 19, 2016, 02:43:58 AM
This looks better and better each time I come back to this thread.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Trenton_net on April 19, 2016, 03:30:02 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question (Sorry if it was already asked), but what region do these cards work on (ie. US/JPN)? In addition, does the customer have the option to have English/Japanese versions of the game in question installed or is there no choice?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Duo_R on April 19, 2016, 04:15:43 AM
Digging the SGFX games.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 19, 2016, 06:21:13 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question (Sorry if it was already asked), but what region do these cards work on (ie. US/JPN)? In addition, does the customer have the option to have English/Japanese versions of the game in question installed or is there no choice?
Not a dumb question at all. You will have your choice of what region system you want these to work on and whether you want the english or japanese software. Also in the very near future, there will be a option for a duo region card. It will have a switch that will let you select for pce or tg16 system. It still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: Nio on April 19, 2016, 07:07:27 AM
Can you do cases and covers and housing for turbo everdrive?
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Post by: Black Tiger on April 19, 2016, 08:08:07 AM
Not right now but we might look into this in the future.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: wilykat on April 19, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
System 1 and 2.0 is probably easiest since it didn't use extra memory or chips. System 3.x uses extra RAM for non-Duo systems and would require more work to add in both the ROM and RAM chip. Arcade card is hardest due to much bigger RAM chip.
Looking at those pictures, those are sweet and at the same time it's 100% clear it's not going to be easy for dishonest seller to pass it as genuine original.
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 20, 2016, 02:09:48 AM
I like this a lot, but also really like the idea for homebrew releases. If someone approaches you guys and asks to help them put out their homebrew on a new card, would you be able to do it? I assume price would need to go up in order for the creator of the game to get a cut too, which could be the trickiest part of the process in negotiating.
Yeah most definitely. Any homebrew coders out there that would like to work with us, please give us a shout.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 20, 2016, 02:12:55 AM
AWESOME NEWS ON THE SGX STUFF! (http://www.hobowars.com/images/mb_icons/freakout.gif)
was there ever any consideration for making the hucards a flat/matte gray color? might be neat looking if you could do something like that..
The standard color is actually off white a little. We are also have them in black and gold.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: wilykat on April 20, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
Why not offer black with eye-melting neon yellow and orange?
HuCard have always been white but there were no USA console that matched white card. PCE were the only one that matched, and Duo R-Rx were close being something of light grey.
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Post by: uiengineer on April 21, 2016, 03:18:11 AM
This is cool. I'm likely in for a Magical Chase.
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Post by: henrycsc on April 21, 2016, 01:00:41 PM
These are outstanding! I will order one when they are available.
Any chance that one of the Chinese bootleg 4 in 1 titles could be hacked with different titles, then double that with your pce/us dual region concept?
The comparison of same titles concept is great (Zonk/Denjin would be another great pair), but it would also be cool to do titles exclusive in each region
Hana Taka Daka/Bomberman '94/Ninja Ryukenden/Gekisha Boy Order of the Griffon/(ok, maybe this concept breaks down quickly.....)
Either way, they look great!
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Post by: johnnykonami on April 21, 2016, 03:04:56 PM
I've been lurking on my phone these past few weeks, but I haven't commented until now - these look really badass! I love the little cases they come in. I'll have to pick up one or two of these when they are done, at least a Magical Chase.
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Post by: Sparky on April 21, 2016, 03:54:48 PM
Ya they look great, I will differently be buying one.....Darius!! <<gets erect>>
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Post by: aslbozz on April 21, 2016, 08:48:24 PM
I can't wait to pick up some of these goodies myself!! :D
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Post by: turbokon on April 23, 2016, 04:53:26 PM
Duo games reproduction hucard WIP.
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Post by: WoodyXP on April 23, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Available Soon!!!!
Post by: ichigobankai on April 24, 2016, 02:04:44 AM
A physical switch to change games is completely...archaic :? Nowadays you should use a µC (like a pic) to achieve this properly without this old-school manipulation. You can also put more than 2 games (and add a selection menu, but that's another story). For 2 games the best way is to just cycle them with the on/off power switch.
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Post by: Sapicco on April 24, 2016, 11:30:07 AM
Can you put cd games onto the hu's?
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Post by: Punch on April 24, 2016, 12:40:32 PM
OH GOD A PHYSICAL SWITCH HOW ARCHAIC
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Post by: Zero_Gamer on April 24, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
A physical switch to change games is completely...archaic :? Nowadays you should use a µC (like a pic) to achieve this properly without this old-school manipulation. You can also put more than 2 games (and add a selection menu, but that's another story). For 2 games the best way is to just cycle them with the on/off power switch.
Thanks for the feedback ichigo[emoji4]. Adding a physical switch is the simplest solution to the current design. We will explore other options in the very near future for mutli games reproduction hucards.
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Post by: escarioth on April 25, 2016, 02:57:13 AM
Cant wait to get my magical chase this week :) hehe
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Post by: Necromancer on April 25, 2016, 03:58:38 AM
Nowadays you should use a µC (like a pic) to achieve this properly without this old-school manipulation. You can also put more than 2 games (and add a selection menu, but that's another story).
I have something like this. I call it an "everdrive". :lol:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: ichigobankai on April 25, 2016, 04:40:32 AM
Completely different process and price. You loose :mrgreen:
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Post by: wilykat on April 25, 2016, 04:52:12 AM
Everdrive looks like a naked board with a bunch of chips. It doesn't look like a flat white card with nice label.
ED is fine for people who prefers to play games and doesn't care about looking authentic. Repro looks a lot better and if no one looks closely, make your friend jealous!
Have a few Magical Chase repro, invite your friends over, let them go gaga over what looks like $50,000 worth of few loose games laying around. :D
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on April 25, 2016, 05:41:37 AM
Completely different process and price. You loose :mrgreen:
So by the time you add a microcontroller, rom to hold the boot loader thingy, and additional rom for multiple games it'll look exactly the same as these and not cost any more? Sweet!
I fully support making booty hueys that replicate originals (or even multi-rom boots like the cycled power ones from back in the day), but what's the point if you're gonna make things that look like hueys but play like a flashcart? The authenticity goes right out the window as soon as you turn it on and see a boot menu. You'd essentially end up with a nice looking tototek flashcart: boot screen, room for only a few games, and you can't update it because nobody has parallel ports any more. :lol:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on April 25, 2016, 06:12:13 AM
Everdrive looks like a naked board with a bunch of chips. It doesn't look like a flat white card with nice label.
ED is fine for people who prefers to play games and doesn't care about looking authentic. Repro looks a lot better and if no one looks closely, make your friend jealous!
Have a few Magical Chase repro, invite your friends over, let them go gaga over what looks like $50,000 worth of few loose games laying around. :D
The Turbo Everdrive has nice 3D covers to match the hardware and that's all you see when it's plugged in. If you're playing on a Duo, you can't see the game at all.
The whole point of these repros is that they don't look close enough to fool anyone who would care about collectible value. Even if they did, if the appeal is to leave them lying around naked to make collectards jealous, you're better off investing in high quality labels and just sticking them on cheap HuCard games. They'll be 95% convincing instead of 65% and you'll save a lot of money on display pieces.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: ichigobankai on April 25, 2016, 07:02:34 AM
So by the time you add a microcontroller, rom to hold the boot loader thingy, and additional rom for multiple games it'll look exactly the same as these and not cost any more? Sweet!
You seems to speak about something you do not understand, so i will not spent time in technical explanation. I've used and make code for few µC past years. Like bankswitching for games or far more advanced things (mappers). The main problem with a physical switch is its reliability...
With a very tiny pic you can make nice little things, like this compilation : (gameboy / megaman xtreme 1 & 2 (translations)/ cycle with on-off) (http://i.imgur.com/6b9s7oR.jpg)
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Post by: thesteve on April 25, 2016, 08:09:14 AM
no need for uC or menu rom for power cycle switching a dual flip-flop and a few supporting parts will do it for 4 games
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Post by: Necromancer on April 25, 2016, 08:59:36 AM
You seems to speak about something you do not understand, so i will not spent time in technical explanation.
Unless these hueys already contain those extra parts, I don't need a technical understanding of how things work to understand that more parts means a redesign and more cost.
I've used and make code for few µC past years. Like bankswitching for games or far more advanced things (mappers). The main problem with a physical switch is its reliability...
Like I said in my previous post (but you couldn't be bothered to read), it'd be okay if it was used for something as simple as a power cycled multi-rom cart. It's when you go beyond two (maybe four) games and add a boot menu that you end up with something that no longer feels like a huey (in use, not physically).
But whatever floats your boat, man. You're the genius here.
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Post by: technozombie on April 25, 2016, 09:06:27 AM
I'm away from the board for awhile and miss this awesomeness.
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Post by: ichigobankai on April 25, 2016, 09:22:59 AM
Unfortunately, I'm far to be a "genius"... And i'm agree, with the "cycle system", do not put more than 4 games.
with the pic, you can make an interesting thing (that i've already used in other systems like master system, megadrive(genesys), super nintendo...) Use the reset line to switch games (and save the state in the pic memory). When you power cycle, the games loaded will always be the same unless you make a reset. (run+select on pce/tg if i'm not wrong) the pic cost is completely out of problem (less than 1$, what a joke) and 100% free if you use the microchip samples parts.
Maybe turbokon will use this kind of thing in a future version.
I'll stop writing here, i think i've already polluted his thread.
PS. yes for the flip flops, but as you stated it can not work alone, so a pic is more easy to integrate (8 pins, far more than 4 games).
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Post by: thesteve on April 25, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
as for run-select as reset, its a software reset and not supported in hardware
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Post by: Punch on April 25, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
Less than $1, time to program and test microcontroller, time to redesign hucard, possible expansion in area and/or thickness of the board possibly requiring new plastic mold for something that people might not need/want.
What a joke !
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Post by: MotherGunner on April 28, 2016, 06:36:38 AM
Goes to show I've been away for too long. Fantastic work on these!
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Post by: turbokon on April 28, 2016, 03:35:41 PM
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Post by: wilykat on April 30, 2016, 10:54:20 AM
Suggestion: put that grey dot somewhere else, it looks a bit nasty covering part of PC Engine logo. A little up should work and still be useful enough to keep the card from bouncing around.
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Post by: HailingTheThings on April 30, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
Do these HuCARDs fit in those cases if they have a sleeve on? Maybe my eyes are going bad, but it looks like they be nakey in the pics?
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Post by: turbokon on April 30, 2016, 12:46:45 PM
Suggestion: put that grey dot somewhere else, it looks a bit nasty covering part of PC Engine logo. A little up should work and still be useful enough to keep the card from bouncing around.
Good point, that's easy to remedy.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on April 30, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Suggestion: put that grey dot somewhere else, it looks a bit nasty covering part of PC Engine logo. A little up should work and still be useful enough to keep the card from bouncing around.
Good point, that's easy to remedy.
If you can find black ones, you could put 1 above and 1 below in the black area to camouflage them a bit.
Or 2 white ones in the white areas
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Post by: HailingTheThings on April 30, 2016, 03:33:57 PM
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Post by: NightWolve on May 03, 2016, 03:58:23 PM
It's hard to believe working HuCards are in production again like this... Wonder about the factory they found to get these made, what it took behind the scenes, impressive all the way!
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Post by: mickcris on May 03, 2016, 05:57:43 PM
It's hard to believe working HuCards are in production again like this... Wonder about the factory they found to get these made, what it took behind the scenes, impressive all the way!
Pretty sure they are from here https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=19848.0
Not sure how is making them though
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Post by: thesteve on May 03, 2016, 07:03:19 PM
It's hard to believe working HuCards are in production again like this... Wonder about the factory they found to get these made, what it took behind the scenes, impressive all the way!
Pretty sure they are from here https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=19848.0
Not sure how is making them though
i assure you they are not.............. i did the layout on them
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: mickcris on May 03, 2016, 07:04:57 PM
Cool. They just look very similar. In that thread turbokon had shown where he had some and was programming them.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 03, 2016, 07:10:14 PM
they may look similure, but they dont feel it these dont use a plastic backing, and instead both sides are FR4 fiberglass material, making them extremely sturdy and cold to the touch
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 04, 2016, 02:09:55 AM
Ah right, turbokon started there, ordered some from that French guy, learned how to program them, and later teamed up with Jodi and Steve to do their own with full cases/manuals also.
So Steve, what factory did you find to produce the cards, like what ichigobankai found, this http://www.ponoko.com/ ?
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 04, 2016, 06:11:29 AM
Ah right, turbokon started there, ordered some from that French guy, learned how to program them, and later teamed up with Jodi and Steve to do their own with full cases/manuals also.
So Steve, what factory did you find to produce the cards, like what ichigobankai found, this http://www.ponoko.com/ ?
Actually we were already working on this before stumbling across ichigobankai's post. Thesteve already started on the layout before I saw ichigobanki post. However having ichigobanki's cards on hand did helped on the programming aspect of it.
As thesteve already mentioned, ours used FR4 materials. Ponoko just make simple cuts from plactics, mdf boards, leathers etc.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 04, 2016, 06:28:29 AM
Ah, and "FR4 materials" ? (Nevermind, I looked FR4 up)
But are you fabricating these entirely at home or ? Where are you buying the material and what have you, and getting the design of the HuCard made is what I'm asking/wondering about, etc.
And how are you accomplishing that great printing/label/artwork on them as fans ? It's so original-looking/professional, maybe even better-looking! Or are you not wanting to share some of those details ?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esteban on May 04, 2016, 11:13:38 AM
Ah, and "FR4 materials" ? (Nevermind, I looked FR4 up)
But are you fabricating these entirely at home or ? Where are you buying the material and what have you, and getting the design of the HuCard made is what I'm asking/wondering about, etc.
And how are you accomplishing that great printing/label/artwork on them as fans ? It's so original-looking/professional, maybe even better-looking! Or are you not wanting to share some of those details ?
Trade secrets.
Hint: XXX XXX XXXXXXXXCC.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 04, 2016, 11:44:37 AM
Here's an interesting idea: new, cheap, repro Arcade card... Any takers ?? Can it be done...? Well, inside sources reveal that the idea is currently being explored... That's not a 'yes', but that's not a 'no', it's a 'stay tuned'... :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 04, 2016, 01:21:31 PM
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... new, cheap, repro Arcade card
Yes it can probably be done. Would need a programmable chip (PGA/CPLD) to do the registers, and extra RAM chips. The real question is if there is enough space on the board for everything...But you would have both sides to work on, so probably.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Sapicco on May 04, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
Are these available yet? And, can you make cd games on the hu's?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 04, 2016, 02:31:01 PM
Yes it can probably be done. Would need a programmable chip (PGA/CPLD) to do the registers, and extra RAM chips. The real question is if there is enough space on the board for everything...But you would have both sides to work on, so probably.
well my thing is i havent done anything with programmable controllers as far as space we have about 0.040 chip height to play with and are using TSOP now also i have no info as of yet on how the pages are called
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 04, 2016, 03:48:03 PM
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...as far as space we have about 0.040 chip height to play with and are using TSOP now
Height isn't the problem; we know theres enough room underneath for Flash / Ram chips. (Rams are same height at Flash; Flash chip fit underneath, so there's no problem). The problem is surface area; only about 1/2 of the top area is available for mounting chips. A large programmable chip might use all/most of that. You would have to find one with enough gates to duplicate the arcade card registers, and a small enough area to fit on the board.
I know only that programmable chips exist, and come in different gate counts. IIRC (and I may not), number of gates is proportional to surface area, so more gates == bigger area.
If you are serious, or just want to learn more about the chips, maybe you could contact Kevtris on the atari age forums; he's been doing cpu emulation via fpga's. Maybe he can help recommend one to use.
And somewhere around here (and in HuC files) is a description of the arcade card registers. Looking at that might give you an idea of what you would need, in terms of gates, etc.
I still think it's doable; I just don't have the in-depth knowledge it would take.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 04, 2016, 06:29:03 PM
A cheapArcade Card is out of the question, considering the price of these relatively simple straight-game HuCards already. But this physical format might be ideal for the kind of "super" Arcade Card that developers have been asking for. To make translations and various projects easier.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Trenton_net on May 05, 2016, 05:40:17 AM
A cheapArcade Card is out of the question, considering the price of these relatively simple straight-game HuCards already. But this physical format might be ideal for the kind of "super" Arcade Card that developers have been asking for. To make translations and various projects easier.
At the rate I see Arcade Card Pros going up in price, we may not even need super cheap repos. Just something cheaper than the stupid prices it goes for now. What boggles me even more, is that there are only a few legit games that work with it and only a small pool of users who would genuinely need one.
I'm sure if they had made the Arcade Card Pro incompatible with duo systems, the price wouldn't be nearly as high as it is now since it would eliminate all the people who buy it just for the "idea" that it's somehow tangibly better than a Duo card.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: farankoshan on May 05, 2016, 06:16:44 AM
Cannot wait!! Please update when these go live!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: SplatterTrigger on May 05, 2016, 06:29:40 AM
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Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 05, 2016, 06:57:14 AM
Do these come with repro manuals, or is that one you just already had?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: elmer on May 05, 2016, 07:30:13 AM
...as far as space we have about 0.040 chip height to play with and are using TSOP now
Height isn't the problem; we know theres enough room underneath for Flash / Ram chips. (Rams are same height at Flash; Flash chip fit underneath, so there's no problem). The problem is surface area; only about 1/2 of the top area is available for mounting chips. A large programmable chip might use all/most of that. You would have to find one with enough gates to duplicate the arcade card registers, and a small enough area to fit on the board.
I know only that programmable chips exist, and come in different gate counts. IIRC (and I may not), number of gates is proportional to surface area, so more gates == bigger area.
IMHO, you should only need a fairly simple FPGA/CPLD to do the Arcade Card ... your problem is more going to be in the number of I/O pins that you need, and the total number of individual IC chips ... trying to fit a CPLD, ROM, and 2 RAM chips into the space that you've got is going to be ... interesting.
As far as CPLD/FPGA/RAM choices, well you don't have that many anymore if you're talking about using 5V parts ... and if you're going to use 3.3V parts, then you're going to need to add level-shifters too, which is going to take up more space.
Is the Arcade Card Pro really that rare that it's worth going to all that trouble?
Give it 5-10 years and the whole PC Engine/CD/Arcade Card will all be emulated on FPGA hardware anyway.
A cheapArcade Card is out of the question, considering the price of these relatively simple straight-game HuCards already. But this physical format might be ideal for the kind of "super" Arcade Card that developers have been asking for. To make translations and various projects easier.
Errr ... don't we already have that "super" Arcade Card with the Turbo Everdrive 2?
It's got 4MB RAM, built-in SD card, and built-in USB (for a few dollars more).
I don't see that there's been a rush of new translations/homebrew that have been started since I released the patch that gives the TED2 512K of easily accessible RAM for the Super System Card (and you can access the whole 4MB if you actually follow the programming details that I posted).
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 05, 2016, 08:07:10 AM
A cheapArcade Card is out of the question, considering the price of these relatively simple straight-game HuCards already. But this physical format might be ideal for the kind of "super" Arcade Card that developers have been asking for. To make translations and various projects easier.
At the rate I see Arcade Card Pros going up in price, we may not even need super cheap repos. Just something cheaper than the stupid prices it goes for now. What boggles me even more, is that there are only a few legit games that work with it and only a small pool of users who would genuinely need one.
I'm sure if they had made the Arcade Card Pro incompatible with duo systems, the price wouldn't be nearly as high as it is now since it would eliminate all the people who buy it just for the "idea" that it's somehow tangibly better than a Duo card.
The difference in price between the DUO and PRO is still less than that of a CD-ROM combo and a Duo system. You're already saving more money.
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Errr ... don't we already have that "super" Arcade Card with the Turbo Everdrive 2?
It's got 4MB RAM, built-in SD card, and built-in USB (for a few dollars more).
I don't see that there's been a rush of new translations/homebrew that have been started since I released the patch that gives the TED2 512K of easily accessible RAM for the Super System Card (and you can access the whole 4MB if you actually follow the programming details that I posted).
Over the years, PC Engine homebrew developers and programmers have talked about the shortsightedness of the System 3 bios and how a new system card should include a new custom rom and misc under the hood that would make PCE projects in general much easier and might attract new hackers/developers to the PCE scene.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 05, 2016, 10:47:59 AM
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IMHO, you should only need a fairly simple FPGA/CPLD to do the Arcade Card ... your problem is more going to be in the number of I/O pins that you need, and the total number of individual IC chips ... trying to fit a CPLD, ROM, and 2 RAM chips into the space that you've got is going to be ... interesting.
I agreee. But there's room for 2 memory chips (Ram or Rom) underneath the board; then you have the whole top area for the FPGA/CPLD and a memory chip. Which actually might be doable. (Though I think you would need a multi-layer board to do it.)
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Ss far as CPLD/FPGA/RAM choices, well you don't have that many anymore if you're talking about using 5V parts...
Always a problem with older systems, unfortunately.
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Is the Arcade Card Pro really that rare that it's worth going to all that trouble?
Probably not. It's a Nice design problem, though.
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Errr ... don't we already have that "super" Arcade Card with the Turbo Everdrive 2?
Not that I am aware of. Doesn't the arcade card have extra registers? (I'm pretty sure there is at least a shift register available.) Are those emulated on the TED 2? Extra memory is nice, even if it's single-byte access via a register. Shift register would be nicer, making multiplies and a few other calculations easier/faster.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 05, 2016, 11:30:15 AM
Yeah, krik voiced the possibility of adding Arcade Card support at the last minute but he abandoned it with his TE v2 redesign unfortunately. Bonknuts got what he wanted though as far as extra writeable RAM per what elmer mentions, you just can't turn that into support for official ACD games from my understanding because the mapper wasn't implemented and whatever else is lacking. That's why it's worth exploring for steve-o/turbo to make a repro of it.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 05, 2016, 03:45:07 PM
as far as 5V it wouldnt be required on the cpld as the RAM can be 5V and drive the outputs a 3.3v chip can address a 5V chip fine
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 05, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
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as far as 5V it wouldnt be required on the cpld as the RAM can be 5V and drive the outputs a 3.3v chip can address a 5V chip fine
+1 problem solved.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: elmer on May 05, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
as far as 5V it wouldnt be required on the cpld as the RAM can be 5V and drive the outputs a 3.3v chip can address a 5V chip fine
+1 problem solved.
IIRC, maybe not according to the TailChao's posts specifically complaining about people doing that ... they're around here somewhere.
But perhaps you're thinking about something else, or perhaps I'm just wrong ... I remember just enough electronics to think that I still know something, but I probably don't.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 05, 2016, 05:55:23 PM
inputs to the 3.3v chip will need a resistor to limit current, allowing the internal diodes to clamp the voltage 3.3V outputs are sufficient to control TTL 5V inputs, tho not by a large margin
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: elmer on May 05, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
It's entirely up to you, and the implications of the exact details are bit above my knowledge-level, but in my ignorance, it sounds like you're proposing exactly what TailChao was warning against ...
I've seen 3.3V parts on 5V consoles without proper level shifting and ghetto ass diode regulators to drop the supply voltage for them. This is not cool for the parts, the console, or you. But it's done again and again because it's cheap.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 05, 2016, 07:00:06 PM
not quite as he described (hadnt even talked about power source) i was actually referring to a common exception in most chip data sheets, that states the input voltage doesnt need to be observed as long as currents are note this only applies to diode protected inputs and would need to be confirmed with the MFG data before designing around it
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 05, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
Okay, problem not solved.
I doubt there would be enough room for the diodes/resistors needed. You -might- be able to squeeze a level-shifter on there, if it's small. Would we need 2? (input+output?) Any idea of what kind of delay would that cause...?
Assuming we can't find a stash of big enough 5V CPLD/PGA's somewhere...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: SplatterTrigger on May 06, 2016, 12:45:39 AM
Not that I am aware of. Doesn't the arcade card have extra registers? (I'm pretty sure there is at least a shift register available.) Are those emulated on the TED 2? Extra memory is nice, even if it's single-byte access via a register. Shift register would be nicer, making multiplies and a few other calculations easier/faster.
Nope, you're right, the TED2 doesn't have the Arcade Card's shift-registers.
I guess it's all a question of how you define "Super Arcade Card". If you want 100%-compatibility with the existing Arcade Card, then you'll have to design your own, or wait for some mythical future TED3.
i was actually referring to a common exception in most chip data sheets, that states the input voltage doesnt need to be observed as long as currents are note this only applies to diode protected inputs and would need to be confirmed with the MFG data before designing around it.
Ah, thanks!
Yes, those discussions specifically mention that some 3.3V chips are designed to accept connection to 5V inputs through a resistor, as documented in the MFG data sheet. The old Cyclone2 FPGA was specifically mentioned.
I doubt there would be enough room for the diodes/resistors needed. You -might- be able to squeeze a level-shifter on there, if it's small. Would we need 2? (input+output?) Any idea of what kind of delay would that cause...?
Assuming we can't find a stash of big enough 5V CPLD/PGA's somewhere...
They're around, but the prices seem a little high (to me) for the capability that they offer.
A TQFP100 package is going to eat up a lot of board space for only 128 macrocells, and the smaller TQFP44 only offers 64 macrocells. I'm not sure what you'd need in order to replicate the Arcade Card.
In comparison ... the FPGA in Krikzz's TED2 has 1280 cells.
You're also going to be limited by the RAM choices, or you'll end up with lots of RAM chips on your board.
I could only find one MFG of 2MB 5V SRAM chips when I looked, and they seemed quite expensive.
When you start looking for parts that are actually available, you can quickly understand why Krikzz decided to use all 3.3V logic, and add 5V level-shifters.
You only have to look at the TED2 board to see how much physical space that all took up, and that was using a physically-tiny-but-tall 4MB BGA RAM chip, which wouldn't be an option for you if you want the nice plastic case.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 12, 2016, 01:37:45 PM
Our black and gold hucards are here. These will be available mid June or so.
Here are some pictures of a 2 in 1 black card with the built-in switch. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160513/921ffcd4c8985df9289e15d21f767711.jpg)
Actually we were already working on this before stumbling across ichigobankai's post. Thesteve already started on the layout before I saw ichigobanki post. However having ichigobanki's cards on hand did helped on the programming aspect of it.
Ichigo worked on it since at least April 2014 on a french website (and at the time he worked on it for a couple of months).
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 14, 2016, 04:55:29 AM
Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 14, 2016, 05:20:57 AM
Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?
Wowzer, don't know how to respond to this but to each his own.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 14, 2016, 05:43:48 AM
I wonder. Plus a super cd game be dumped on a repro Hu card. Or everdrive and patched to play without the use of the actual cd? Just sort of trick system to think there was a CD.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 14, 2016, 12:17:07 PM
For those who'd like to know, this is the true, genuine repro Hucard.
(http://i.imgur.com/1Wb6n7Ol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kixADW6l.jpg) Made in France.
Available for cheap. Very cheap.
This was made one year ago.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 14, 2016, 12:40:04 PM
For those who'd like to know, this is the true, genuine repro Hucard.
(http://i.imgur.com/1Wb6n7Ol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kixADW6l.jpg) Made in France.
Available for cheap. Very cheap.
This was made one year ago.
Yep, cheap because these are DIY kits and with the plastic backs which you will have to get made separately. There is a separate for sale thread for these out there. Another option if you prefer to go this route.
Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?
I'm just curious as to what exactly was stolen and how you know?
Looking at the photos posted by you and turbokon, literally every single physical aspect of these two types of cards is different. The pins are different, the shape of the inlay where the black section is on real HuCards is different, the textured grip is different, the corners of the cards are different, the entire back is different, the sticker space looks different, one appears to have a shinier finish than the other...
Are just saying that the idea of making repro HuCards and using gold paint is being stolen? Are you calling ichigobankai a scumbag as well?
I honestly just want to know what you think is going on.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 14, 2016, 01:08:04 PM
Of course, I'm not just talking about the color or the shape. Turbokon perfectly knows what I'm talking about. The visual aspect doesn't change much about what is actually going on here.
And 45$ for repros without licence is just the same bullcrap as the "PCE memories" thing. If those cards were at least used for homebrew games, it would be ok. But it doesn't seem it's going to be the case.
Boxes look like crap BTW.
Whatever, 45$ is way too much for this.
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 14, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Of course, I'm not just talking about the color or the shape. Turbokon perfectly knows what I'm talking about. The visual aspect doesn't change much about what is actually going on here.
And 45$ for repros without licence is just the same bullcrap as the "PCE memories" thing. If those cards were at least used for homebrew games, it would be ok. But it doesn't seem it's going to be the case.
Boxes look like crap BTW.
Whatever, 45$ is way too much for this.
I think $45 is reasonable compared to other repro's for other system and the time it takes for us to make each one.
Yes, ichigo did influenced us that's why our version2 looks more like his with the black and gold contacts and some other little changes that was made compared to our white one.
And you are the first person to tell me that the box looks like crap and I respect your opinion.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 14, 2016, 01:29:26 PM
Of course, I'm not just talking about the color or the shape. Turbokon perfectly knows what I'm talking about. The visual aspect doesn't change much about what is actually going on here.
And 45$ for repros without licence is just the same bullcrap as the "PCE memories" thing. If those cards were at least used for homebrew games, it would be ok. But it doesn't seem it's going to be the case.
Boxes look like crap BTW.
Whatever, 45$ is way too much for this.
So you're saying that they stole the internal pcb design?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esteban on May 14, 2016, 01:30:07 PM
The boxes look fantastic.
Truth.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 14, 2016, 01:32:09 PM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 14, 2016, 01:57:00 PM
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So you're saying that they stole the internal pcb design?
You do know that circuit design software will lay out the traces for you, don't you? All you have to do is match the names.
(Btw: I believe its done via a layout program because of the way the traces look in the pictures. Human layout would have realized really quickly that there's a much more straightforward way to do it.)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 14, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
Is shubibinman just doing the equivalent of saying that anyone who 3D prints HuCard cases is stealing from Aaron or is there something I'm missing?
I understand people disliking the sale of repro games or repro carts like ichigobankai's, but he says that he and turbokon know some dirty secret.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Duo_R on May 14, 2016, 05:08:14 PM
Yikes. Well I bought a Magical Chase. I'm happy with it. I didn't really like the case until I saw it. I'm so stupid....I thought the cases were PSP size. Lol they are tiny but pretty cool and fit in with jewel case size.
About the boxes : I've been a little bit harsh. I don't like the choice of VHS-like boxes. I think it would have looked better with a cardboard box.
As for the repros, at first I thought it was aimed at delivering homebrewers a way to make some Hucard releases.
I honestly don't think it's a good idea to use it to sell "reissues". We'll soon face the same issue as with the "PCE memories" thing.
The only good thing with those is that they actually don't look like the real thing.
For now...
I'm just waiting for someone to sell one to a local store that doesn't know any better for a huge sum of money and wait for the shitstorm there.
Is it the same store that is selling a Turbografx for $250? Maybe it's turbo karma? Lol
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 15, 2016, 11:41:37 AM
Here is a quick demo of our 2in1 card.
https://youtu.be/uPKvQLxQQwI
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Zero_Gamer on May 15, 2016, 01:22:08 PM
My two cents, which is probably worth less, is everyone needs to get over the beef with pirating shit. You are pirating, it's a f*cking free for all. Who gives a shit who does what. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Vote with your dollars and stop bitching.
Brought to you from the bat cave. Over and out.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 15, 2016, 03:30:10 PM
these dont look original intentionally the goal was to undercut some of the crazy overpriced games, and try to kill off some of the demand as far as trace routing, that was mostly done by hand and yes i would love to have homebrew on these
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Duo_R on May 15, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
Doesn't bother me until you make a Magical Chase bundle with energy drinks and stickers for like $200
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on May 15, 2016, 06:33:51 PM
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as far as trace routing, that was mostly done by hand
You have more patience than I do. I just turned the chip.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on May 15, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
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Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2016, 03:34:42 AM
We already have bonknut permission to release megaman 1 & 2 on our cards. We would love to be able to work with more homebrewers.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on May 16, 2016, 04:50:39 AM
Thoughts from the corn field -
Price: $45 does seem kinda high for a boot, but only an idiot (or a frenchman) would say it's analogous to Tobias's situation. Turbokon isn't acting like they're legitimate releases, he's not selling translations without permission, and his markup is much less even though he has actual work going into each unit. What're the raw material costs? Selling ~$10 in parts (plus labor) for $45 is nowhere near as bad as buying a $2 disc and selling it for $30-40. If you don't like the price, don't buy; it's not going to drive away homebrewers or translators or otherwise effect you in any way.
Cart Design: Unless turbokon's cards are using the exact same layout as ichigobankai's, I don't see how it's theft. Neither is entirely original, using the same basic premise as original games, Chinese boots from back in the day, etc.
Packaging: I don't particularly care for the cases, as I'd much rather have an original style case, but I'd hardly say they look like crap.... and I sure as shit ain't going to bitch about price while advocating for a pricey and less durable cardboard box.
Repros vs. Homebrew Only: Only naive, foolish, and/or mildly retarded people would confuse these for originals, so who cares? Except for Tom's MegaMan, every single pic I've seen of ichigobankai's hueys (any version) has been repros of commercial games as well, but that must be okay because he's french or something.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 16, 2016, 05:31:59 AM
The thing is that Ichigo doesn't sell his cards with games in them. And he sold them for about 2$ each. Every buyer is free to install the game he wants. That's a pretty big different, isn't it ?
Of course, I guess you've decided that as a Frenchman I'll be wrong whatever I say. But mark my words : one day or another, these repros will be sold as "reissues" with a much higher price tag (even if not by Turbokon). I was really naive back in 2005 when I bought repros of Sapphire to Tobias.
Anyway...
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2016, 05:53:48 AM
The thing is that Ichigo doesn't sell his cards with games in them. And he sold them for about 2$ each. Every buyer is free to install the game he wants. That's a pretty big different, isn't it ?
Of course, I guess you've decided that as a Frenchman I'll be wrong whatever I say. But mark my words : one day or another, these repros will be sold as "reissues" with a much higher price tag (even if not by Turbokon). I was really naive back in 2005 when I bought repros of Sapphire to Tobias.
Anyway...
$2 each just for the card. A little more for the black card. Doesn't include the eeprom and the back mask neither. Yeah pretty big difference I would say...
The true scambags are those that will try to resell these at a way higher price. There is always is. In fact we already catch one guy trying to and that person has already been blacklist. One way we can combat this kind of thing is to flood the market.
Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?
Oh snap! Had to happen sooner or later in this thread!
The true scambags are those that will try to resell these at a way higher price. There is always is. In fact we already catch one guy trying to and that person has already been blacklist. One way we can combat this kind of thing is to flood the market.
And he sold them for about 2$ each..... That's a pretty big different, isn't it?
Not here he didn't. They're $3.80 - $8 each depending on color, quantity, and eeprom.
In any case, his price is only drastically cheaper on the surface. Once you factor in the cost of paying someone to assemble the card, flash it, provide a case, etc., the differential is much smaller.
And Turbokon will burn whatever game you want, so I fail to see your point. Either way, boots of commercial games are going to be made far more often than copies of Santalantean, Tongueman's Logic, etc.
But mark my words : one day or another, these repros will be sold as "reissues" with a much higher price tag (even if not by Turbokon). I was really naive back in 2005 when I bought repros of Sapphire to Tobias.
I'm sure they will be (as will ichigobankai's), but how is that Turbokon's fault? Are Sparky, Jodi, etc. a$$holes because people have used their repro goods to net better prices? Or how 'bout BMW and Bernie? I'm sure it's their fault that a few jerks took their nigh free booties and flipped them for 10x as much, right?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 16, 2016, 08:28:46 AM
So if all this is OK, then I guess there will be no more whining about Tobias' "PCE works" ?
You don't have money to play Magical Chase on real hardware ? Get yourself a flashcard and don't try to pretend you own a "rarez" game.
As I've already said : these repros are perfect for homebrewers.
You say my reasoning is illogical. What I say is : whatever you do in terms of "repros", it will always end up like in that ebay listing. Repros always end up with stories of scambags trying to gouge buyers. I don't say it's Turbokon's fault but if you want the PCE scene to become as messy and full of bullcrap as the Neogeo scene, then ok; that's up to you.
But next time you criticise "PCE works", I'll be pleased to remind you what you're saying now about these repros.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 16, 2016, 09:14:03 AM
So if all this is OK, then I guess there will be no more whining about Tobias' "PCE works" ?
You don't have money to play Magical Chase on real hardware ? Get yourself a flashcard and don't try to pretend you own a "rarez" game.
As I've already said : these repros are perfect for homebrewers.
You say my reasoning is illogical. What I say is : whatever you do in terms of "repros", it will always end up like in that ebay listing. Repros always end up with stories of scambags trying to gouge buyers. I don't say it's Turbokon's fault but if you want the PCE scene to become as messy and full of bullcrap as the Neogeo scene, then ok; that's up to you.
But next time you criticise "PCE works", I'll be pleased to remind you what you're saying now about these repros.
I agree with the principles of many of your points, but you've yet to be critical of ichigobankai, who made many bootlegs and facilitated the existence of lots of bootlegs with his product that he markets for that very reason. You posted some of his pirated games yourself as "the real" bootlegs.
As I've said, these are not for me, but I may be interested in having some homebrew copies made in the future for the novelty of it. As long as the authors are cool with it.
Tobias has a long history of scams and various actiobs which have offended different people in different ways. If you read any discussions about him on here, you'll slways find people saying how what he's doing would be fine... if it weren't for all of thise ither issues. . Maybe these bootlegs will run into similar probkems. They've already offended you quite a bit.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Warhol on May 16, 2016, 09:17:23 AM
+1 Shubi
What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.
So we have to consider both the same way.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on May 16, 2016, 09:25:58 AM
So if all this is OK, then I guess there will be no more whining about Tobias' "PCE works" ? ..... But next time you criticise "PCE works", I'll be pleased to remind you what you're saying now about these repros.
As I've already said, there's more to hating Tobias than just his prices. If you have to ignore his lies and the damage he's done to the translation scene to make your argument, you've got nothing.
You say my reasoning is illogical. What I say is : whatever you do in terms of "repros", it will always end up like in that ebay listing. Repros always end up with stories of scambags trying to gouge buyers. I don't say it's Turbokon's fault but if you want the PCE scene to become as messy and full of bullcrap as the Neogeo scene, then ok; that's up to you.
And I again ask: why are you giving a free pass to ichigobankai and his "true, genuine repro hucards" (whatever that means). Is it just because he's French? We both know that almost all of his hueys will be made into repros, causing just as much harm to the PCE scene as anything else.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2016, 09:33:30 AM
What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.
So we have to consider both the same way.
Now this is funny, rolling on laughing floor.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 16, 2016, 09:59:36 AM
As I've already said, there's more to hating Tobias than just his prices. If you have to ignore his lies and the damage he's done to the translation scene to make your argument, you've got nothing.
Well, I don't ignore that. I perfectly know what Tobias has done to the translation scene. I personnally have translated a few PCE games and I'd be really pissed off to see someone make money out of a work I've done for free.
Kudos to Turbokon for asking Bonknuts the authorization to produce repros of some of his work. But still, if Turbokon was to sell them 45$ each, that'd still be making money out of someone else's work. I wouldn't believe you if you told me that you're not making profit by selling repros 45$ each.
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And I again ask: why are you giving a free pass to ichigobankai and his "true, genuine repro hucards" (whatever that means). Is it just because he's French? We both know that almost all of his hueys will be made into repros, causing just as much harm to the PCE scene as anything else.
I'm not giving a free pass to Ichogobankai. To me, there's a huge difference between creating something from scratch and borrowing someone else's work, even if you need the skill and knowledge to be able to upgrade it.
Ichigobankai is not making any profit by selling his hucards. The pictures I've shown are not pictures that have been sold in the wild for, say, 45$.
Moreover, even if Turbokon's cards don't look like the real thing, they're really much closer.
And yeah, there's a big difference between selling cards with nothing on them 2$ and selling repros 45$. I guess it's a kind of cultural gap.
But I really want to remind that I'd be very pleased to buy some obey homebrew for 50 or even 60$ if it was to be released on such cards (even in a VHS looking box :lol: ).
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 16, 2016, 02:06:00 PM
What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.
So we have to consider both the same way.
Already answered numerous times here and by many others! The list would go something like this:
* Slapping fan work on his pressings without permission/inclusion. https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.0
* "Tobias [PCEWorks] and the making of 'Sapphire-Gate...'" https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg432658#msg432658
* "Hating Tobias but loving Turbokon? HEY, DURRR, I SMELL HYPOCRISY!!! NOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE TOBIAS ALONE, WE CAN OPENLY LOVE PCEWORKS STUFF HERE!!!111 YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!" https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20919.msg456014#msg456014
To claim "none" is to falsely distort/miscast opposition/hate to Tobias as a person, his history, versus opposition/hate to bootlegs/repros in general. It's childish and dishonest. Just because you like Tobias' repros and you have a grudge with everybody that hates him, it doesn't mean you get to exploit turbokon to somehow provide cover against future criticism of Tobias by making false/blind comparisons...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on May 16, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.
So we have to consider both the same way.
Do you get all of your info from youtube?
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2016, 02:58:18 PM
What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.
So we have to consider both the same way.
Correction when it's written as "turbo con" means "very very dumb".
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2016, 03:07:39 PM
What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.
So we have to consider both the same way.
Already answered numerous times here and by many others! The list would go something like this:
* Slapping fan work on his pressings without permission/inclusion. https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.0
* "Tobias [PCEWorks] and the making of 'Sapphire-Gate...'" https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg432658#msg432658
* "Hating Tobias but loving Turbokon? HEY, DURRR, I SMELL HYPOCRISY!!! NOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE TOBIAS ALONE, WE CAN OPENLY LOVE PCEWORKS STUFF HERE!!!111 YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!" https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20919.msg456014#msg456014
To claim "none" is to falsely distort/miscast opposition/hate to Tobias as a person, his history, versus opposition/hate to bootlegs/repros in general. It's childish and dishonest. Just because you like Tobias' repros and you have a grudge with everybody that hates him, it doesn't mean you get to exploit turbokon to somehow provide cover against future criticism of Tobias by making false/blind comparisons...
Didn't know there is a whole separate post. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Zero_Gamer on May 16, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
Can we just accept piracy for what it is and leave folks alone? Its just like any other business, the market will determine proper prices and shit.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 16, 2016, 07:06:49 PM
Zero_gamer> can we just accept piracy for what it is ? You mean : an illegal activity ? It's not just a normaｌbusiness.
Nightwolve > thanks for the links. I perfectly know what Tobias did and I'm not defending him if you ever thought that was the case.
My thoughts about piracy have always been consistant since 2005 : it does a lot of harm to video game fans. Whether you intentionnally flood the market with bootlegs or not, on ebay or on other marketplaces, it will always end up with the same result. We of course all agree that Tobias is the king of f*cktards.
The truth is, there's already a f*cktard that's trying to sell a Magical Chase repro for 1500$. Will he ever sell it ? I don't think so, but the harm is already done. Even if you produce dozens, hundreds or thousands of it, it will f*ck up the market just as the Sapphire bootlegs did. And there's a lot of them ! Still, some of them sell for 100$ or more. There's nothing we can do about that, except NOT producing more bootlegs.
Well, after all I guess that customers should just be clever enough to make out what's an original copy or not.
It will be my last comment on this story as I feel I'm repeating myself.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: mickcris on May 16, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
deleting this crap post. sorry
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 17, 2016, 03:49:29 AM
Well we appreciated the mostly great response from the community. For you others, I'm sorry you feel like that. It is what it is and don't worry, I won't be losing sleep over it.
We got into this to make games like magical chase more affordable to masses. Most people appreciate what we're doing and that we thank you.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 17, 2016, 05:40:26 AM
Would prefer to have been left out of this but I don't appreciate being mocked by you. You are just mad that Tobias stole your work. You seem to feel it's OK to steal and sell other people's work as long as it's not yours.
I have no love for Tobias, his repros, or any repros and yes some of you are hypocrites. Smoke monster got torn a new one for including roms on some Everdrives he was selling which is similar to this.
Too bad! You earned the mocking, so that's tough! You decided to enter this debate by exploiting support for turbokon/Steve versus hate of Tobias to levy a shoddy hypocrisy criticism (which you did again in this post) that reduces/removes history/context/nuisances. It's an unjust simplification so you and others can pretend you have valid/fair comparisons. You don't get to tell people in the future to conveniently leave you out when you make stupid comments on here in other threads!
Now you wanna cry for and are butthurt about SmokeMonster (keeping tabs on who gets roasted here?), who got "torn a new one" NOT for what you say, but deliberate omission of information in his eBay listing which led to a $359 purchase by someone for something he could've bought for $79 plus $11-$20 in plastic. The fact that he threw in the ROM collection to up the value is totally a side related issue (I didn't care about that, take that up with those that did!), so pretending that was somehow the main reason he was criticized is a damn lie! That was wholly about getting ripped off, imagine later finding out you could buy TE from krik at $79, the ROM collection had little to do with it and I didn't even notice that till others did!
Quote: "SmokeMonster is a predator of low-information big-spending fools and I also don't get why he wasted Tucci's time on the buddy deal for one flashcart from our group buy..."
That was classic reseller scamming relying on buyers [ignorance] not knowing the distributor (krik in this case) or wherever the source products were purchased from. I don't like to see it, and I stand by every damn word I wrote about him/the situation! The fact that you would try to defend him again in light of this says a lot about where you're coming from!
So once again, mickris, and these other guys here with grudges on our reseller criticism and whatever else is the source of their grudge, practice deliberate misinformation/simplification to make false comparisons at every turn to score points!
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You are just mad that Tobias stole your work. You seem to feel it's OK to steal and sell other people's work as long as it's not yours.
"RAWR, I got you! You see, I'm smart!!! Durrrrrr!" Once again, a simplistic, false reduction, a lie basically and self-neutralizing hypocrisy.
The situations are not as simplistic as you'd like them to be for the purposes of your argument.
1) Getting permission from the videogame developers/publishers equals a $10k-$15k license fee, the need for a Japanese/English translator to make the deal, and so it's likely never going to happen for the common Joe Schmoe Tobias, not without Kickstarter projects and the like (and it'd have to be a really good game for that to succeed)... Bootlegs would never happen if everyone believed you must get that paid license before doing so. That's assuming you could even reach the right people in the company!
2) There's technical legality, and then the morality of it. As bootlegs usually deal with abandonware games, the developers/publishers will have sold out of all/most copies, everybody already got paid, the programmers, the publishers, etc. They made most/all of the money they're ever going to make for the now defunct/orphaned console platform. So, what is the level of moral harm for unlicensed reprints of manuals, games, etc. for abandoned consoles when they can be downloaded every day for free on the Internet right now ?? Very little to none. And that rationale is why bootlegs are made and why a Tobias doesn't bootleg a new PS4 game or what you have.
3) The difference between me, or any other fan translation team is, I/we didn't get paid for anything, I wouldn't demand a $10-$15k license fee for a reprint, you don't need a Japanese/English translator to talk business with me, my email has always been available so YOU COULD reasonably contact me before taking my work and slapping it on your reprint for your bootleg business... Not that I'd be willingly on board in Tobias' case given Sapphire-Gate, him being a lying fraudster, etc.
So yes, you essentially compare the mostly impossible, getting a license from the Japanese company, versus the possible, getting permission from the fan translation team as an excuse for Tobias and other bootleggers to not bother getting permission from ANYBODY (hey, just don't bother!) so he can get to pocket 100% of the net earnings! He appreciates your argument BTW, the "just f--k it" aspect of it... And nothing original about it, you and other crybabies who feel guilty use this argument to defend the slapping of fan work on reprints, I've heard/seen it before on the Facebook groups.
4) You're your own self-neutralizing hypocrite if you ever downloaded music/games/movies/software, and you seem to feel it's OK to steal other people's work, as long as it's not yours and as long as it's stolen for free and not resold in plastic... That is, unless you wanna lie, here and now, and claim that your hands are clean, and that you've never downloaded anything illegal/unlicensed, ROMs or whatever, etc... You might as well add more lying to your record, you already have, chief!
5) Of course I'm gonna have more of a connection to my own work, my usage terms violated, as opposed to some far off company in Japan that SOLD OUT copies of the games in question and no longer deals with or cares about the defunct console platform they were made for... They have bigger concerns, if at all, and that is the pirating networks which distribute the games by the millions daily, and 500 new pieces of plastic doesn't come close to be worth caring about when you can't shutdown the daily pirating!
Anyway, it's not even about protecting the company's "potential" reprinting and reprofitting on retro games for you [which is not going to happen], what you want is just to childishly neutralize reseller critics here via an overplayed and shoddy hypocrisy angle given your grudge... I'm not really buying your denials about Tobias either, which are done for the sake of credibility in your argument...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: mickcris on May 17, 2016, 06:36:37 AM
deleting this crap post. sorry
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 17, 2016, 07:11:54 AM
We got into this to make games like magical chase more affordable to masses.
Masses can play Magical Chase thanks to emulation for free anyway, so you're not some kind of Robinhood.
Emulation, everdrive, blah blah, heard it all before. There are multiple ways for people to enjoy retro gamings. It all depends on people preference.... I myself prefer playing on real hardwares and myself own several everdrives. The everdrive while great doesn't quite replicate the feeling of the originals as well as our repro hucards. Like most people, I prefer the originals if I could afford them. And btw, thanks for polluting our sales thread with your runt.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 17, 2016, 07:30:55 AM
you think this is ok while others see it differently. You are not going to change my mind and im not going to change yours.
Sounds hardheaded.
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Its just surprising having had your stuff taken and sold that you feel the way you do when it happens to other people. You seem to think you are some kind of authority on whats ok to bootleg and what isn't.
I don't "seem" to think I'm some kind of "authority" (I could selectively say the same about you!) - I'm just me, and I explained the rationale/thinking on why the letter of the law is not followed when it comes to bootlegs. I also explained the differences/nuisances, in one case, it's practically impossible to get the permission from the Japanese company, but for a fan team, it's perfectly possible to do so... If you just glossed over the explanation, you care more about your grudge and continuing with a shoddy hypocrisy angle pretending the cases are an exact match morally. Or maybe it's just too much logic for you and went right over your head...
I'm naturally gonna have more of a connection to my own work, and speak out about it when it gets appropriated by a lying fraudster, as opposed to raging about piracy/bootlegs in general which is akin to pissing in the wind and would only make me hated across the Internet (I did, in fact, and AM hated for it)! If you wish to prove moral harm with unlicensed reprints of abandonware games, go ahead, try, but you didn't (and there's a reason why), you just went right back to a childish hypocrisy angle, which is all you're apparently good for.
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Like i said in the other thread, I dont really care that much about this but dont act like this is different than the PCE works CDs or someokemonster selling roms on an everdrive as its the same (just that was a better deal as these are just one or 2 roms on a cart). I am not talking about the discs he tried to pawn off as real either, im just talking about the new pce works ones. I dont have a grudge against anyone, just pointing out hypocrisy. You seem to have lots of excuses as to why some things are ok and some are not.
You do care, but you don't care, you do care, but you don't care... Which is it ?
And you continue to be providing excuses as to why all of these people should be thought of almost exactly the same, once again! They're not! Try to wrap your brain around that instead of simplifying these cases for your shoddy hypocrisy angle which DOES have motivation in some form of grudge.
Notice, once again, even after I went to the trouble of pointing out his lying about SmokeMonster, he repeated his historical revisionism. SmokeMonster threw in the ROM collection (an afterthought!), yes, to up the value, but the fundamental criticism had nothing to do with that when it came to his auction. The TurboEverdrive can be bought for $79, the plastic, $11-$20, the ROM collection, downloaded for free, and a low-information big-spender was exploited for $359 given SmokeMonster's deliberate omissions in the listing! The overall source of anger was the ripoff, not the friggin' ROM collection!
mickcris is trying to revise the facts of what the anger was mainly about in order to force that case to fit his narrative.
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I have downloaded free things before as im sure most have. like most others, I do not try to sell it to other people though for a profit.
Right, so you had your own hypocrisy problems as pointed out. But it's OK to step outside of that to make hypocritical points now and then, right ?
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You had to come white knighting and call me out in here though.
One sentence of mocking, but of course you couldn't take it, and the only one that came in here white-knighting is you on SmokeMonster's behalf. He really wasn't worth it... You seem to keep tabs on resellers who got roasted on here for whatever reasons, then look for opportunities to throw it back in our face given the grudge you DO have, but say that you don't...
P.S. It's pretty warped he claims SmokeMonster's $359 TurboEverdrive with ROM collection was a "better deal" against turbokon's 1-game HuCards at $45, because the whole ROM collection was included (which you can download for free and normally buy the TE at $79!)! Amazing! It goes without saying the TurboEverdrive at $79 will ALWAYS be a better deal than individual unlicensed reprints of single games, duh! Some people actually want them, even with the existence of the TE. But exploiting this to score some defensive points for what SmokeMonster did is a joke!
Is SmokeMonster a buddy of his by chance ? Are there still other SmokeMonster partisans who feel he was "unjustly persecuted" for that auction I wonder ?? :lol: How about instead feeling pity for the dumb sucker who dropped $359 ? He's gotta live with that for the rest of his life from the day he runs into the retrogate shop...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: mickcris on May 17, 2016, 08:00:38 AM
deleting this crap post. sorry
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 17, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
FYI, world doesn't revolve around what you were or weren't done with. Any comments made here in the past can be referred to in the present.
You are objectively white-knighting on SmokeMonster's behalf. And given the ROMs can be downloaded for free, the TE purchased directly STILL from the maker for $79, the plastic for $11-$20, it was exploitation of the ignorance of a low-information big-spender made possible by SmokeMonster's deliberate omissions in the eBay listing. As such, yes, it was an objective rip-off, that the buyer was willing to drop as much as $359 is only because of his/her ignorance having been preyed upon and it's sad to see.
If the TE was out-of-print, and crazed eBay reselling took over, THEN you could give us the ole speech about what something's worth is whatever somebody's willing to pay for it, supply/demand/etc., but not when you can still buy everything direct from the maker at a suggested retail price and get the rest for free!
The TE is also an unlicensed product BTW, thus it's technically illegal and should not exist unless krik was willing to contact NEC with a Japanese/English translator to obtain legal permission, etc. But I'm guessing you seem to think that's OK...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on May 17, 2016, 08:37:39 AM
.... like I'm some kind of idiot for having a different opinion than you.
You're not an idiot for a differing opinion, you're an idiot for ignoring the fact that there are reasons beyond profit margins for people's Tobias hate.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: jlued686 on May 17, 2016, 08:43:39 AM
Man, Nightwolve, you are like the Olympic Gold Medalist of online arguing. It truly is a marvel.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on May 17, 2016, 08:51:14 AM
Thank you, I try. ;)
You see what's happening here, he wants to be an "avenger" for what he feels were past PCEFX "unjust persecutions" of people we dislike/hate like Tobias and SmokeMonster (bootleggers/resellers), versus how we treat people we like such as turbokon/Steve who don't have lying fraud, forged documents, sins of omissions to pump up an auction, etc. on their records. He demands equal treatment of unequal cases/characters/tactics...
It's the same sort of complaint about how forum veterans/regulars are treated better versus newbies; of course I treat my friends and family better than some stranger on the street, hence why veteran forum members get more respect than somebody that just showed up here throwing his/her weight around...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shubibiman on May 17, 2016, 09:07:07 AM
i also dont think these "reproduction" carts should be sold either. just because they are your friends doesn't make it right. but that is just my opinion. they are going to be sold regardless and that is fine. but i do think they are going to trick some people into paying higher prices for them than they are worth like people reselling the pce works discs.
I was never really against unlicensed repros/bootlegs for de facto abandonware/out-of-print retro games (no moral harm!) as I think you'd have be a stickler to demand waiting out the full 50/75 years for the copyright to expire before doing them when the company no longer cares and has long since moved on to modern consoles/systems. I'd have to be totally against piracy to take that position which I'm not, my hands aren't clean, so it'd be hypocritical, but the point is, don't confuse/conflate hate/criticism of Tobias given his history as opposition to repros/bootlegs in general and pretend that we're now showing different standards for people here on that basis that aren't lying, document-forging, sneaky dicks in this hypocrisy-pursuit of yours where the facts have to bend to fit your desired narrative!
I'm NOT gonna treat turbokon and Tobias (let alone SmokeMonster) the same as you essentially demand, because they're NOT the same! And if you truly are against all repros/bootlegs in all cases, every time, good luck with that, and I trust you didn't buy a Turbo Everdrive (unlicensed/illegal product) and download ROMs (also illegal) or anything else in the past then because, news flash, websites that collectively allow free downloads of copyrighted materials spread it by the millions daily and do the most damage versus the slow distribution of a few hundred pieces of plastic a fan could produce...
The idea that the unlicensed plastic is worse than the millions of unlicensed daily downloads is based on jealousy if the plastic-producer makes a profit and the notion that the free pirate distributors did it for the love of it, and not of money, yet they're the ultimate damage to the copyright holder in terms of mass-destruction of legit buying-potential (assuming official product is still on retail shelves)!
P.S. A region disabler is also an unlicensed product and the console manufacturer would never give you legal permission to produce one as it disables a feature they intentionally added to their product, so I assume you have also avoided such devices and not helped unlicensed fan makers profit from such work...
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but i was not trying to be an avenger for those other people.
When you attempt a sympathy play by stating that [Poor] "SmokeMonster got torn a new one", when you exploit the present support for turbokon juxtaposed against Smokey and his auction to suggest he was wronged in some way, when you distort/lie about the reasons for the anger at his auction to fit your narrative, yeah, you're being an "avenger" or "white knight" on his behalf... Apparently you might really think that's not what you're doing...
So, you would limit the characterization of what you're doing as say just "using him" for your hypocrisy-pursuit ?
The only other options are saying you're a troll, stupid, or just a plain old a$$hole.
Fine, i'm an a$$hole. Really I should have just let it go and not responded to NightWolf in the 1st place. This was not the thread for this discussion.
Title: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esteban on May 17, 2016, 11:36:12 AM
The only other options are saying you're a troll, stupid, or just a plain old a$$hole.
Fine, i'm an a$$hole. Really I should have just let it go and not responded to NightWolf in the 1st place. This was not the thread for this discussion.
The most divisive threads have been about Tobias/repros/profiteering.
If there is one thing Tobias can relish, it would be the fact that merely mentioning his name (and his past activities) bring out pain and frustration.
This is bad for us, of course.
It was nearly a year ago when I myself got caught up in an ugly thread about Tobias (and issues surrounding repros/profiteering).
Anyway... Don't let this one topic/thread stop you from enjoying the crazy shite in other threads.
:)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: mickcris on May 17, 2016, 11:43:16 AM
It's all good. I just feel bad about thread crapping turbokon's sales thread with this nonsense. which I realize I should not have done and I am sorry turbokon and thesteve. I just got caught up in the argument and I agree that NightWolf is a lot better at that than I am. :)
edit:
I deleted my posts in here. not trying to hide what i said as its still quoted in nightwolves posts for all to see. i admit that most of my argument was bullshit and i was wrong. nightwolve just for some reason got under my skin yesterday and i let my diarrhea of the keyboard get the best of me. again i apologize for all who had to read that, especially turbokon, thesteve, braap, and nightwolve.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on May 18, 2016, 04:00:00 PM
I am fairly new here but mainly signed up so I could lurk and post occasionally. Just wanted to say I think these Hucard Repros are awesome. The quality far surpasses that of the 3D printed Atlantean homebrew I bought last year (though that game is awesome).
I may be down for some custom 2-in-1 cards in the future, also a Magical Chase. Turbo games have gotten incredibly expensive recently and I've recently resorted to importing and playing through a Japan <-> NTSC adapter.
That said, there's a special place in Hades for people who would try to pass these off as originals on eBay (like the $1500 Magical Chase), so I'm thankful the clamshell cases do not match the original and every chip/card is imprinted with a reproduction logo on the back.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: viper0hr on May 22, 2016, 12:16:36 PM
I hate reproductions for games in all aspects, but this is probably the exception, CLEARLY a reproduction from anyone who is not a complete moron. And a good price for some games most of us will never own :)
Nice stuff!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: MasonSushi on May 24, 2016, 12:21:30 PM
Not right now but we might look into this in the future.
Please let us know. I would love to have a US region arcade card. That way i wouldnt need to mess with the super system 3.0 card and it would work with all disk games. Very high on my hopes list.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 25, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
Here are some of the black hucards which are now ready for orders.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on May 25, 2016, 05:51:25 PM
I love your 2-in-1s; those look great!
Got a white Parasol Stars and black Neutopia I+II on the way. I still need a Bonk 3 however. Been trying to decide what to pair it with for the 2-in-1 deal. I already have Bonk 2 and Air Zonk, and the PC Engine Bomberman trilogy.
Also has anyone who owns a RetroFreak tested it yet with these new repro Hucards? I can confirm my Atlantean homebrew with blue 3D printed card does not work. Repros should work in theory if the card is an exact replica of an existing game.
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Post by: MasonSushi on May 29, 2016, 07:01:18 AM
I might order a Coryoon/Magical Chase combo cart, soldier blade special/final soldier special combo chip, or a Terra Cresta II/Tatsugin. I cant figure out which.......
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Vimtoman on May 29, 2016, 11:21:43 AM
turbokon they look pretty cool. How do they fair when used ?
Does the the resist wear ok?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: wildfruit on May 29, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
Maybe I'm confusing myself and it's already explained.... But is it possible to have neutopia 1&2 in English, on a PCE system, on a black card?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on May 29, 2016, 11:13:16 PM
Maybe I'm confusing myself and it's already explained.... But is it possible to have neutopia 1&2 in English, on a PCE system, on a black card?
Yes, I asked. He's making me a 2-in-1 Neutopia with US ROMs using Turbografx byte order. You can specify the ROM region (US or Japan release) as well as the console region byte order (Turbo or PCe).
I believe even if you only order a single game on the black cart, he still has to burn two copies of the ROM. But having two games on a single card is more fun! :dance:
EDIT: US game releases do require a slight modification to run on an unmodified PC Engine. The Everdrive flash card and Turbo PC Henshin adapter perform this modification automatically so I'm sure the ROM protection is trivial to circumvent.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 30, 2016, 03:26:36 AM
turbokon they look pretty cool. How do they fair when used ?
Does the the resist wear ok?
I would say they will be quite resistance to wear except maybe for the label. They seem to scratch easily. The chip we are using has a data retention life expectancy of 20 years.
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Post by: esadajr on May 30, 2016, 03:41:36 AM
Thanks Turbokon and Jodi for making this a reality.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Vimtoman on May 30, 2016, 03:50:45 AM
turbokon they look pretty cool. How do they fair when used ?
Does the the resist wear ok?
I would say they will be quite resistance to wear except maybe for the label. They seem to scratch easily. The chip we are using has a data retention life expectancy of 20 years.
20 years is pretty good. You should put a production date stamp on Might help some people accept these as just temporary alternatives to the real thing.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on May 30, 2016, 03:56:51 AM
Neat idea. Maybe give buyers the option of whether to do stack the images vertically or diagonal. I'm thinking maybe do the horizontal strips for the card art (due to the small size, horizontal logos on cards would be easier to read) and maybe the diagonal orientation for the boxart? But some people would want it uniform.
Perhaps do a poll? :-k
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 30, 2016, 04:18:36 AM
Thanks Turbokon and Jodi for making this a reality.
Don't forget about thesteve[emoji6]
Sorry Steve #-o
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Post by: FiftyQuid on May 30, 2016, 09:12:55 AM
Wow! These are gorgeous turbokon! I've been away for a while but I still lurk and could not help but post when I saw how these turned out! :clap:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on June 04, 2016, 08:24:55 AM
The Dual Hucards are now available in both the white and black cards. Prices for the dual hucards are $65 plus shipping. Also you can now ordering directly thought my website at www.tg16pcemods.com (http://www.tg16pcemods.com/).
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Sapicco on June 05, 2016, 01:34:47 AM
This question may have been asked already, sorry if it has. Can I buy a pc engine exclusive game, such a die hard, and it play on my Tg 16?
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Post by: turbokon on June 05, 2016, 01:59:28 AM
These are very cool pieces. I'm fine with my everdrive, but homebrew games are pretty cool. Interested in the Megaman games. Great work guys.
Wait, the blue bomber got ported to PC Engine? Call me intrigued! :D
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: wilykat on June 05, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
Megaman 1 and 2 is playable on the real thing, been playing them off my TED. A dual 1/2 card would probably work well.
Too bad no one tried to port any more MM games, maybe they got too complex and trying to change the ROM to work with PCE version of mapper chip rather than Nintendo's MMC chips wasn't practical?
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Post by: Black Tiger on June 06, 2016, 12:57:47 AM
Megaman 1 and 2 is playable on the real thing, been playing them off my TED. A dual 1/2 card would probably work well.
Too bad no one tried to port any more MM games, maybe they got too complex and trying to change the ROM to work with PCE version of mapper chip rather than Nintendo's MMC chips wasn't practical?
There aren't more NES "ports" than there are because it's entirely a project by one person who came up with a way to get the PCE to run NES game code. Each game needs to be customized. There are lots of threads about it and you can read about it on Tom's site:
https://pcedev.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on June 06, 2016, 03:22:07 AM
Somewhat related: Are US ROMs still patched to remove region lock if purchased as US pinout?
Region locks are still in place for the hucard. For example, if you want a pce release only for the us turbografx, the rom file will have the 8 data address flip to work on the turbografx. This being said, you can opt to have a game card work on both pce and tg16 with the dual hucard option.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 06, 2016, 11:33:50 AM
Somewhat related: Are US ROMs still patched to remove region lock if purchased as US pinout?
Region locks are still in place for the hucard. For example, if you want a pce release only for the us turbografx, the rom file will have the 8 data address flip to work on the turbografx. This being said, you can opt to have a game card work on both pce and tg16 with the dual hucard option.
That's not what I meant. An unmodified US ROM will fail to boot properly on a PC Engine even if the byte order is corrected. I was wondering if the region lock code was defeated in the US ROMs, whether or not the Hucard itself has US or Japanese byte order.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on June 06, 2016, 12:49:18 PM
Somewhat related: Are US ROMs still patched to remove region lock if purchased as US pinout?
Region locks are still in place for the hucard. For example, if you want a pce release only for the us turbografx, the rom file will have the 8 data address flip to work on the turbografx. This being said, you can opt to have a game card work on both pce and tg16 with the dual hucard option.
That's not what I meant. An unmodified US ROM will fail to boot properly on a PC Engine even if the byte order is corrected. I was wondering if the region lock code was defeated in the US ROMs, whether or not the Hucard itself has US or Japanese byte order.
Yes, in game system check is disabled.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Tildius on June 08, 2016, 06:13:59 PM
Are you currently able to do the Rockman games?
p.s. I got my reproductions today and they are fantastic!
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Post by: turbokon on June 12, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
p.s. I got my reproductions today and they are fantastic!
We plan to do mega man 1 & 2 soon.
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Post by: VenomMacbeth on June 12, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Any word yet on whether translations will be available? Valkyrie no Densetsu would be first on my list, but Gekisha Boy & SonSon II would also be awesome!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 12, 2016, 02:34:13 PM
Turbokon, I just sent you a PM. I wanted to add a Bonk III to my existing preorder if that's cool with you. :mrgreen:
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Post by: Onslaught35 on June 14, 2016, 06:06:44 PM
PM sent about a dual game on one cart order!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: sirhcman on June 15, 2016, 06:50:07 AM
Are you getting permission from the guy who ported the games to sell the hucards of them?
From what I read he did get permission for Mega man 1 and 2 and would not release repro of other games without consent of the translators.
That is great to know, I assumed as much but I wasn't about to go digging through a bunch of threads/posts to see if this conversation already happened :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esadajr on June 15, 2016, 09:14:02 AM
still that doesn't prevent you from throwing a few bucks into Bonknuts direction.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 15, 2016, 02:01:27 PM
I noticed Aetherbyte has currently suspended the sale of the Abcard Atlantean homebrews because they are looking for a higher quality Abcard replacement. I can't say I object much as my Atlantean 3D printed blue Abcard works great but I have to wiggle it around somewhat to insert it as the card is bowed a bit. Are you in talks with Aetherbyte to produce future Abcard homebrew?
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Atlantean is released on the homebrew AbCARD, the first ever PC Engine HuCARD released in 20 years!
We have currently frozen new orders for Atlantean. This is so we can finish processing current orders, and move forward with our next board design! Thank you for your support! We plan to resume production of the game in the future.
I can foresee someone buying some of these and maybe requesting different hu card art or maybe having something special written onit as a gift for a friend or maybe as a contest prize to promote their small business
Like say "Big Bib's Burgers" lol. Or something silly like that.
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Post by: NightWolve on June 17, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Neutopia I & II together for the first time, nice idea. :)
Who would've thought HuCards would ever be reprinted again [but ZOMG, without a license or waiting 75/90 years for IP expiration, those bastards]!! ;)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 17, 2016, 04:38:46 PM
Neutopia I & II together for the first time, nice idea. :)
Who would've thought HuCards would ever be reprinted again [but ZOMG, without a license or waiting 75/90 years for IP expiration, those bastards]!! ;)
Yes, I am one of the Neutopia I+II customers. What is the second game on the Magical Chase card? I'm having trouble reading the title. EDIT: Nevermind, Coryoon. :P
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: wilykat on June 17, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
Any chance of homebrewn game reproduction? Like Atlantean? I'd guess asking for permission and getting the ROM. Maybe alter then ROM to show on screen "REPRODUCTION" to really discourage sneaky greedy eBay flipper?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 18, 2016, 02:43:17 AM
Any chance of homebrewn game reproduction? Like Atlantean? I'd guess asking for permission and getting the ROM. Maybe alter then ROM to show on screen "REPRODUCTION" to really discourage sneaky greedy eBay flipper?
I wish you guys could partner up. A slick blue color Atlantean with the new cards would be amazing. They are so much nicer than the 3D printed ones...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: goldenpp72 on June 18, 2016, 05:21:26 AM
I got mine in a few days ago, I'm gonna give it a test run tomorrow but it all looked really nice.
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Post by: cr8zykuban0 on June 18, 2016, 05:59:55 PM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 18, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
I haven't gotten my repro Hucards yet, but anyone tried theirs in the Hucard slot of a Retro Freak console? The Atlantean homebrew is the only reproduction game I currently have and it does not work. And obviously Everdrive is out of the question. Maybe these might read correctly being exact copies of existing games? :P
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Arkhan on June 18, 2016, 09:26:23 PM
I haven't gotten my repro Hucards yet, but anyone tried theirs in the Hucard slot of a Retro Freak console? The Atlantean homebrew is the only reproduction game I currently have and it does not work. And obviously Everdrive is out of the question. Maybe these might read correctly being exact copies of existing games? :P
You don't have the repro cards yet, but can confirm that they are nicer than the 3D printed ones? I don't understand this.
Anyway, we have zero plans to have Atlantean put onto the repro cards.
As for your card not working, try it in a real system if you have this option.
Sometimes, the slots and cards can be finnicky.
Occasionally, you need to insert more to the left, or to the right.
If not, send it back so we can see if it's broken.
I don't know if the retrofreak expects PCE, and you maybe ordered a TurboGrafx16 region, or what.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 18, 2016, 09:54:17 PM
You don't have the repro cards yet, but can confirm that they are nicer than the 3D printed ones? I don't understand this.
Anyway, we have zero plans to have Atlantean put onto the repro cards.
As for your card not working, try it in a real system if you have this option.
Sometimes, the slots and cards can be finnicky.
Occasionally, you need to insert more to the left, or to the right.
If not, send it back so we can see if it's broken.
I don't know if the retrofreak expects PCE, and you maybe ordered a TurboGrafx16 region, or what.
No disrespect intended. I have a real US region Turbografx and a region adapter to play Japan region cards. My Atlantean is US region and works great in my Turbografx slot, however there's a slight warp in the 3D printed plastic so insertion requires me to wiggle it a bit. The Retro Freak doesn't read the Abcard (though it plays the ROM you provided with no issues), but there's a ton of homebrews and repros for other systems that don't work either. None of my NES homebrews for instance. I merely asked the question if anybody had gotten the new repro cards to work with the Retro Freak.
Regarding the quality of the Abcard, the 3D printed cards work nice as intended and and so does the case, however they lack the texture and feel of the original Hucards. The new repro cards seem to better emulate the feel of the original Hucards whereas the Atlantean homebrew kind of has a strange texture due to the 3D filament the card is fabricated from. It seems Aetherbyte is struggling to keep up with the demand for Atlantean; this may of may not be related to production of the 3D printed cards and cases.
I was merely hinting that since a product exists with superior quality of construction, it may be worth it to outsource production of Atlanean or future Hucards. By no means am I suggesting that someone should order repro copies of your homebrews. That would be a douchey thing to do on part of both the buyer and seller. I'm merely hinting that a partnership to license production of quality glossy hucards for Aetherbyte homebrews would benefit both parties as well as the consumer by getting a sturdier product.
Again I'm not dissing the 3D printing technique. It's a wonderful invention with broad appeal, and I look forward to your next Hucard release. Since there's no partnership in the works, I respect your wished and won't bring up your products again in this thread.
Take care, stardust
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Arkhan on June 18, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
We're not struggling to keep up with Atlantean... I hand delivered a box of them to a store in Japan, and well, we're making more now.
There isn't really a smashing demand for the game, anyways. We sold a shitload of them. It's just the occasional person who missed the boat somehow. and the Japanese people who have a valid excuse for missing out, which is why I made sure to deliver some.
Also, since you have not received your Repro cards, you really can't comment on the "superior" quality.
The repro cards lack plastic. There is no plastic. It's all circuit boards. It's an Atlantean without plastic.
Really, if you think that is a superior design, we could start rifling out Atlantean's that are just two circuit boards sandwiched together to cover the ROM, lol. The majority of the effort in Atlantean's construction comes from the case. They take forever to print.
NOTE: I am not saying the repro cards are shit. I am just pointing out that they aren't plastic. They're shiny white or black circuit boards. They don't feel like a real card either. They feel like a circuit board sandwich, because that's literally what they are.
The reason our cards aren't silky smooth is because sitting there smoothing out plastic with acetone is a fairly large waste of time. I still personally prefer plastic, as that feels more HuCardy than a circuitboard sandwich. and nitpicking about texture is just goony.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on June 18, 2016, 10:39:04 PM
I actually like the texture somewhat because it is different to what already exists. It stands out in a collection as a homemade item. The blue color especially. Right next to my green Everdrive PCB with matching green Shapeways shell! :D I posted a photo of them together with SFII and my PC Henshin in the "fat hucards" thread.
And I agree, the Acetone stuff is nasty. I once melted a whole box of styrofoam packing peanuts in a few ounces of the stuff out of boredom, but those are about 98% air.
As for the repro cards, you are right, I have not held one in my hand, but judging by the photos, they appear smooth and glossy like the real cards if not made of plastic. They are purposefully not identical to the read thing to avoid confusion. I'm sure scammers would love to sell Magical Chase repros all day long with a 3000% markup if they could get away with it. One asshat already tried to sell his on eBay for $1500... :evil:
Sorry I did not mean to start a turf war between you and turbokon or myself or anyone else.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Arkhan on June 18, 2016, 10:43:46 PM
you're not really starting a war, lol. You're just sort of talking out of your ass, and I'm pointing it out.
The repros exist to make affordable versions of games for people who don't want to pay 300$ for a HuCard. The AbCards exist to try and make a new game as close to a real plastic card as possible.
Different goals in mind. Totally not going to war with turbokon, lol. He's a friend.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on June 19, 2016, 08:49:14 PM
these are as stated a PCB sandwich they are glossy smooth and cold to the touch (feel like glass) they are also very rigid
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esadajr on June 20, 2016, 02:38:59 AM
Here is an update to the hucard repros and also it running on a retrofreak.
https://youtu.be/NFS-TtCt5kc
American region repros have the region check disabled so they will run on unmodded PC Engine. As a result of this one byte difference, the RFreak CRC check fails but the games should run just fine.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on July 30, 2016, 11:40:41 AM
You could be right. I will be doing some more test.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on July 30, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
I meant to test my Hucard repros on my Rfreak a while back but apparently misplaced the system. I think it may be under my bed somewhere. I currently sleep in my game room (or game in my bedroom) so my collection is cramped for space. Truthfully it's kind of a sty, but once I finally get my own place, it won't be that way.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: fraggore on August 04, 2016, 10:16:24 AM
Man there pretty nice.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esteban on August 04, 2016, 12:07:34 PM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: shugs81 on August 04, 2016, 09:02:16 PM
Do you do the cases on their own? If so how much ( currently in a bad signal area with no WiFi... Could inky read half the posts so sorry if you've already said!!)
Do you do cases for other consoles? And might you be able to turn the repro cards into a region converter? Just for those who don't want to mod their console...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on August 06, 2016, 10:05:09 AM
Do you do the cases on their own? If so how much ( currently in a bad signal area with no WiFi... Could inky read half the posts so sorry if you've already said!!)
Do you do cases for other consoles? And might you be able to turn the repro cards into a region converter? Just for those who don't want to mod their console...
Sorry the cases aren't available separately and I don't offer for any other systems. DB electronic already offer a region convertor card.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on August 06, 2016, 10:06:14 AM
Ok guys, I'm currently taking orders for HuZero and Tonguemans Logic as a dual hucard. These are homebrews created by Chris Covell. HuZero is a tribute to the snes mode 7 racer F-Zero and Tongueman's Logic is a puzzle game. A portion of each sales proceed will go to the developer himself. These are available in white or black and either for the pce or tg16. Special pricing of $45 plus shipping.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/1ca6d28d016368c11a759a77222ba6fa.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/c28d7e28b5abef50ea5371fb4c58052b.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/9cadfd4b6d7c8cb9784f12e409121a22.jpg)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on August 06, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
Oh no way, Chris got into the repro bizz by proxy. ;) Looks nice and makes sense to make a dual game model as it's short by itself.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on August 06, 2016, 12:15:56 PM
Sorry the cases aren't available separately and I don't offer for any other systems. DB electronic already offer a region convertor card.
I get the impression the db converters are in short supply or no longer produced as they seem to be sold out everywhere. Mine have four little pegs to prevent overinsertion that eventually broke off. No biggie, but I sometimes need to pull the cart out a mm or two to get good connection. also due to the lack of beveled edges on the new homebrew/repro cards, the pins don't lift properly, so I don't recommend force inserting the new repro cards into the db converter. Do so at your own risk, but shouldn't be an issue if you ordered the game to match your hardware.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Sapicco on August 16, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
Ok guys, I'm currently taking orders for HuZero and Tonguemans Logic as a dual hucard. These are homebrews created by Chris Covell. HuZero is a tribute to the snes mode 7 racer F-Zero and Tongueman's Logic is a puzzle game. A portion of each sales proceed will go to the developer himself. These are available in white or black and either for the pce or tg16. Special pricing of $45 plus shipping.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/1ca6d28d016368c11a759a77222ba6fa.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/c28d7e28b5abef50ea5371fb4c58052b.jpg) (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160806/9cadfd4b6d7c8cb9784f12e409121a22.jpg)
Finally placed an order for four carts, including this dual!! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on August 16, 2016, 02:29:53 PM
Just a shoutout, my homebrew dualcard came in yesterday. It's nice; can't wait to play...
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esteban on August 16, 2016, 05:36:33 PM
Just so you guys know, once the current stock of the mini cases these repro comes with runs out, we won't be able to get any more.
That's a bummer. These cases are awesome. Well I guess its time to get 1941 for the Supergrafx. PM SENT...
Excellent game. I toyed with the idea of ordering a 1941/Ghouls n Ghosts 2-in-1, but as I can only play it on retrofreak, I could just run the original ROMs instead.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Marto_Jo-ing on September 15, 2016, 12:11:59 PM
Yep good game. I just ordered 1941 and Aldynes 2-n-1 repro card. Someone walked off with my original Aldynes and a couple Nintendo carts at a recent get together at my place. No more friends of friends in my game room. TRUST NO ONE!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TR0N on September 20, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
Uhh oh it has caught pat attention :P He flip flops when it comes to reproductions. By the way buy with confidence from turbokon.I've bought two reproductions from him so far and play great on my duo-r and even the retro freak i got recently.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on September 21, 2016, 02:35:28 AM
Everdrive will ruin your contacts?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on September 21, 2016, 05:22:24 AM
Team Turbokon, TheSteve & Jodi going big-time, won't be able to keep up with the order spike that'll follow now!!!
It's kinda funny reading the heat that Pat is taking, some deucebag in the comments section even went the anti-Semitic route (pointing to Jew stereotypes?) with regards to him... No idea where that's coming from, but that's Youtube commentators for ya! There's a Jew conspiracy to be found SOMEWHERE in practically anything when enough tin-foil hat nutjobs can gather in the same room!
On this debate, I do actually agree with Pat when it comes to a Turbo Everdrive, and loading it up with every ROM, that it is a hard sell for me to wanna buy individual bootlegs/repros in the face of the ultimate one-size-fits-all solution for playing games on real hardware!
BUT, I can understand/comprehend why others would want these! They're a re-imagining of the HuCard design, they're heavier, thicker, with different artwork and case, they're built by fans, the workmanship is kind of beautiful such as what I see with the black Magical Chase HuCard that was gifted to me by turbo/Jodi, etc.
There is a novelty in these, somewhere, and why you can find a customer for them even in knowing about the Turbo Everdrive. The knowledge to rebuild/reprint HuCards can also allow homebrew games, such as how Chris Covell's HuZero went into physical production with his permission/inclusion.
Anyway, while I wouldn't find it practical to keep filling up my shelves with fakes, I can understand and respect why others would want to, so no big deal to me, etc. Have at it if you wish. Hell, same reason I like looking at a few of the CD repros, I can easily make a CD-R instead, but seeing it produced with printed fan artwork is nice, so it would be kind of hypocritical of me to knock those that would want lots of the fake HuCards. Difference though, I wouldn't have paid for them, if I have 'em via donation, great, if not, off to the Everdrive or CD-R.
EDIT: I will say, that Dracula X "Survivor Edition" IS tempting to have paid something for (but it was Tobiass, so)... I can't blanket say I never would buy one, if it's well-produced, but vast majority of times, yeah, I'd be too cheap to ever do so, and my shelves are already filled with stuff that sits there, backlogged to all hell and never played, so... :/
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on September 21, 2016, 09:02:34 PM
Just so you guys know, once the current stock of the mini cases these repro comes with runs out, we won't be able to get any more.
That's a bummer. These cases are awesome. Well I guess its time to get 1941 for the Supergrafx. PM SENT...
Excellent game. I toyed with the idea of ordering a 1941/Ghouls n Ghosts 2-in-1, but as I can only play it on retrofreak, I could just run the original ROMs instead.
Can the super grafx games be put on these repro cards and play in a regular tg16?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on September 23, 2016, 02:26:04 AM
Can the super grafx games be put on these repro cards and play in a regular tg16?
No.
I hope you're kidding.
But you can get Supergrafx repros for play in a Supergrafx! :dance:
You can also presumably play Supergrafx repros on the Retro Freak, but IMO buying physical repros to play in an emulator box when you can just simply backdoor load the ROM seems like something only a "collectard" would do. [-X
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Marto_Jo-ing on September 23, 2016, 04:29:48 PM
Hey everyone, so I went to the Socal Retro Gaming Expo last month and I went with some Turbografx games to trade. I went to Pat The Nes Punk's booth and he had a Turbograx CD traveling case with Docking Station for $150. I showed him what I had to trade and in the mix was the Bonk 3 repro I recently auctioned off. When it opened up my bag and pulled out my box of TurboGrafx stuff first thing on top was Bonk 3 Repro. Pat immediately saw it said "oh you have Bonk 3". I replied "No it's a reproduction I purchase but I recently got a original Bonk 3 so I'm just looking to trade it away". Pat looked at it and thought it was pretty cool he was really impressed that it said it was a reproduction. I thought he kind of played dumb about it since he had it in his hands and then on the podcast said they were in PSP sized cases. They are smaller and better. Anyways Pat was a nice guy I traded him a sealed Sonic Spike(Mint) Cadash in case with manual (Mint) and Adams Family in case (Mint) and $45 for the Case and Docking station in great condition. Still has the protective film on label and has both latch buttons.
In my opinion these repos are worth every penny if it fits what your looking for. I have all HuCard games except Legend of Hero Tonma and Magical Chase so I purchased these from Turbokon. Plus with Sparky's end labels it just looked weird not having them in my collection. I'm 40 years old and I just like physical copies of things that I collect. In my opinion emulators ruin the fun of collecting. I enjoy the hunt and capture of games I've wanted. I'm never going to pay $4,000 for a game. So for the handful of games I want that are outrageously priced these repos work great for me. Thanks Turbokon!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esteban on September 23, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
Hey everyone, so I went to the Socal Retro Gaming Expo last month and I went with some Turbografx games to trade. I went to Pat The Nes Punk's booth and he had a Turbograx CD traveling case with Docking Station for $150. I showed him what I had to trade and in the mix was the Bonk 3 repro I recently auctioned off. When it opened up my bag and pulled out my box of TurboGrafx stuff first thing on top was Bonk 3 Repro. Pat immediately saw it said "oh you have Bonk 3". I replied "No it's a reproduction I purchase but I recently got a original Bonk 3 so I'm just looking to trade it away". Pat looked at it and thought it was pretty cool he was really impressed that it said it was a reproduction. I thought he kind of played dumb about it since he had it in his hands and then on the podcast said they were in PSP sized cases. They are smaller and better. Anyways Pat was a nice guy I traded him a sealed Sonic Spike(Mint) Cadash in case with manual (Mint) and Adams Family in case (Mint) and $45 for the Case and Docking station in great condition. Still has the protective film on label and has both latch buttons.
In my opinion these repos are worth every penny if it fits what your looking for. I have all HuCard games except Legend of Hero Tonma and Magical Chase so I purchased these from Turbokon. Plus with Sparky's end labels it just looked weird not having them in my collection. I'm 40 years old and I just like physical copies of things that I collect. In my opinion emulators ruin the fun of collecting. I enjoy the hunt and capture of games I've wanted. I'm never going to pay $4,000 for a game. So for the handful of games I want that are outrageously priced these repos work great for me. Thanks Turbokon!
Thanks for sharing.
I think you will find that a lot of us actually like the idea of reproductions: what we despise is (1) when these items are sold for exorbitant prices and (2) when deceitful sellers are not forthright about an item and (3) when ignorant buyers are unaware of bootlegs and/or justify exorbitant pricing.
Obviously, the debate for honest sellers concerns what an acceptable profit margin is. This is complicated when the original purchase was at an inflated price, to begin with, and profit-seeking guides all subsequent transactions.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Sapicco on September 24, 2016, 10:53:05 AM
Can the super grafx games be put on these repro cards and play in a regular tg16?
No.
I hope you're kidding.
The dude above me mentioned sfx games, and I'd figured I'd ask. Not about to sift thru 25 pages
The SuperGrafx has an extra video processor and ram. It's kinda like a 32X setup compared to normal Genesis. So you can't run SuperGrafx games on anything but SuperGrafx hardware.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Magister on November 30, 2016, 01:21:07 PM
Any chance of reproducing D&D: Order of the Griffin with the sound bug fixed?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: HailingTheThings on November 30, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on December 05, 2016, 02:09:44 AM
If if such a device could be made to work through the expansion bus, you'd have to destroy a real SGX to scavenge parts. Either that or program a fpga, but at that point you might as well program the fpga to replace the core system, cd, etc. as well.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on January 12, 2017, 01:13:32 PM
Hey guys, it's been a while since I got on here but just thought I would gave an update. The mini cases are no longer available. The hucard repros are now available without the cases. 3D printed case will be available soon. Check website for new pricing.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: MisterCrash on January 15, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
Out of curiosity, will you be offering the cases for sale on their own? With the PCEngineFX cases no longer available for sale, there is likely to be some pent up demand.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on January 15, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
Out of curiosity, will you be offering the cases for sale on their own? With the PCEngineFX cases no longer available for sale, there is likely to be some pent up demand.
Wow, those are even nicer than the older Vita style ones! :dance:
It would also be a nice gesture to offer blank cases for people who want to "upgrade" loose games so they don't rely on donors.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on January 16, 2017, 01:35:40 PM
Thanks[emoji4]. There might be a possibility that these cases will be available separately in the near future.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: tjsnh on January 17, 2017, 01:44:51 AM
Good catch[emoji4]. Haven't actually printed this yet.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on January 31, 2017, 12:04:27 AM
Cases now available separately. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170131/c3075ef829c3275d72c9e01368a92c08.jpg) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170131/07c4c07c733cdce9d3ce02d4943f8d47.jpg) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170131/14181daed06d24414c0d4513ec975798.jpg) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170131/0b3717dbf3d80f876f6187c746511c26.jpg)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on April 12, 2017, 06:18:14 AM
Have you guys looked into making HuCards for HomeBrew and indie software? It would be cool to get a physical copy of Aetherbyte these days.
I PM'd them last year regarding this. Seems Aetherbyte insists on not using Turbokon's service unfortunately. That's too bad... :-({|=
As much as I love my blue Atlantean, but damn those Turbokon repros are sexy as hell. A "licensed" copy of Atlantean with a slick glossy blue cool-to-the-touch PCB (instead of the usual black/white finish) would be epic, and little to no supply issues... :dance:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on April 17, 2017, 07:19:51 AM
they wouldnt even need to release the rom, as these are programmable using a chip burner wired to a card slot
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on April 17, 2017, 02:21:52 PM
Aetherbyte already have a new HuCard design of their own.
Hopefully it will also glow in the dark.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: TheOldMan on April 17, 2017, 04:45:44 PM
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Hopefully it will also glow in the dark.
Depends on if we can find a reliable supplier of quality glow-in-the-dark plastic :/
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Punch on April 17, 2017, 05:23:01 PM
I'm expecting their next release to glow in the dark, assemble into a transformer when combined with other copies, have a Super FX + SVP in it, etc. but still have the same jewel case design that doesn't close properly. :P
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Post by: xelement5x on April 18, 2017, 06:01:08 AM
Don't forget the pogs either!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: spenoza on April 25, 2017, 04:57:15 AM
So, what kinds of limits are you guys self-imposing? Are there certain titles you aren't going to reproduce? I'm already glad you're asking our home-brew folks before trying to do their titles. What are the determining factors of which titles you select and which you'll avoid?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: thesteve on April 27, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
well as for title limits, we didnt put a mapper in the card, so only direct addressed games the intent was to try to undercut the super rare price gouging titles, so cheaply available cards will be ignored for the most part as for the homebrew games, they are currently produced titles, and as such it wouldnt be right to undercut it (however we would love to supply the blanks, or produce the cards for the homebrew scene)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Winniez on April 28, 2017, 10:46:37 AM
I would be interested in these if there is a way to get them for a reasonable price in Europe
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: esadajr on May 12, 2017, 07:40:59 AM
the intent was to try to undercut the super rare price gouging titles, so cheaply available cards will be ignored for the most part
So now that you guys have sold to Tobias and he is reselling Magical Chase at a rather high price, haven't you undercut this part of your own rationale? I'm concerned that you've effectively destroyed any practical defense you could mount against criticism.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 21, 2017, 02:06:46 AM
the intent was to try to undercut the super rare price gouging titles, so cheaply available cards will be ignored for the most part
So now that you guys have sold to Tobias and he is reselling Magical Chase at a rather high price, haven't you undercut this part of your own rationale? I'm concerned that you've effectively destroyed any practical defense you could mount against criticism.
Well, ours are still available at the same lower price point so we're still undercutting Tobias higher prices. But yeah there are always criticism on what we provide.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: EmperorIng on May 21, 2017, 03:01:28 AM
Something I've been wondering regarding regions: is it possible to make a Japanese region HuCard that plays the Turbo version of Magical Chase? Is it a matter of pin location, or is the data sort of "hard-set" for each region's version?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 21, 2017, 03:51:55 AM
Something I've been wondering regarding regions: is it possible to make a Japanese region HuCard that plays the Turbo version of Magical Chase? Is it a matter of pin location, or is the data sort of "hard-set" for each region's version?
Yes it's possible and vise versa.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on May 22, 2017, 04:32:39 PM
the intent was to try to undercut the super rare price gouging titles, so cheaply available cards will be ignored for the most part
So now that you guys have sold to Tobias and he is reselling Magical Chase at a rather high price, haven't you undercut this part of your own rationale? I'm concerned that you've effectively destroyed any practical defense you could mount against criticism.
Well, ours are still available at the same lower price point so we're still undercutting Tobias higher prices. But yeah there are always criticism on what we provide.
One of the best ways to combat eBay resellers is to put the wares up yourself. Of course, you've got to make sure what you are selling is kosher first.
If people are dumb enough to pay a reseller (who is taking a big risk by posting content that violates their TOS) big bucks without doing a simple google search to see if the items is available elsewhere cheaper, then a fool and their money are quickly parted.
As for eBay resellers selling goods that aren't allowed there (Turbokon repros would fall under that definition), their auctions should be reported for violation.
So if you can't beat em, join em, and if you can't join them, report their asses! :twisted:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: Necromancer on May 23, 2017, 02:21:12 AM
As for eBay resellers selling goods that aren't allowed there (Turbokon repros would fall under that definition), their auctions should be reported for violation.
So if you can't beat em, join em, and if you can't join them, report their asses! :twisted:
And watch ebay do nothing 99 times out of 100. As long as they get their fees, they have zero f*cks to give.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: turbokon on May 23, 2017, 02:31:02 AM
I actually posted some of the repros on there and was eventually was reported and they cancelled my listing.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on September 09, 2018, 08:35:59 AM
Jodi and the gang put up a SplatterHouse bootie special, only 10 were (or will be) manufactured (for now I guess).
You can inquire at https://www.facebook.com/groups/turboreproductions/
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There will only be 10 available and they will all include something extra, you will have to wait and see what that is when the game arrives.
That HuCard is damn sexy, tempting, instant love when I saw it, heh! I can no longer admire bootlegs from the shadows or the closet, comrades! I won't live a lie! ;)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: StarDust4Ever on September 09, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
Is it really necessary to do ultra limited runs of repros?
Is this artificial inflation of resale value that results from being extremely limited, just to appease collectors?
IMO have no problem with buying boots, but they shouldn't be treated as collectibles, but rather as a cheaper alternative to the genuine article. Extreme limited editions defeat this purpose.
Yes, I'm :deadhorse: here, just adding my 2 cents. Been out of the loop for a while. Glad to have had the oppurtunity to pad my Hucard collection a bit with a few placeholders for the super-rares. Thank you Turbokon. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!
Post by: NightWolve on September 09, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
Well, a batch of 10 is what he'll have ready by October from what's fully stated. Whether or not he wants to make more, up to him, regardless of broader, voluntary effects that may have by collectors going "ga-ga" in the aftermath. I don't particularly care about imposing some "higher duty" to a guy working in his garage HuCard factory to demand he come out with a batch of 50 up-front or something.
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For the last few years at the beginning of October I have made up a small amount of these Splatterhouse Chrome double case sets. CD+G sound track and Hu-Card. I am currently pretty far behind on game orders and repairs, so I have decided to take the orders now and that way everyone will receive them early October.
There will only be 10 available and they will all include something extra, you will have to wait and see what that is when the game arrives.