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Title: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Black Tiger on May 18, 2017, 11:51:28 AM
If you always wanted the prestige of being able to gloat to other omega tier collectors that you own a physical copy of Magical Chase, but were turned off by the prospect of beautiful packaging and presentation, you can now get in on the ground floor of what will soon be the most valuable and appreciating holy grail in the amazing world of 8-bit game collecting!
Just as exciting, if you missed out on investing in the official Magical Chase soundtrack from a few years ago, you can now pay much more for an official PCEWorks knockoff!
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gypsy on May 18, 2017, 12:46:23 PM
Sign me up for the raffle please.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: elmer on May 18, 2017, 12:48:24 PM
So now he's doing repro HuCards, too. Great. :roll:
I particularly love that he's charging a premium price for the Sapphire CD over other CDs ... cause ... you know ... it obviously costs more to license !??!??! ](*,)
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gypsy on May 18, 2017, 12:51:57 PM
$230 for anyone wondering. LOL.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: esteban on May 18, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
Dildo Baggins.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gypsy on May 18, 2017, 12:55:57 PM
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: tbone3969 on May 18, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
WTF....................................
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: jperryss on May 18, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
"Both titles include japanese HuCards, a black one for Splatterhouse and and a white one for Magical Chase. The included HuCards were provided by TG-16 Mods in Canada. They do great work and you can get in touch with them for all your HuCard needs."
So he's reselling Turbokon's repros?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: geise on May 18, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
LOL! Did he strike a deal with someone on deviant art? That's some horrid looking shit.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 18, 2017, 03:11:58 PM
I had a guy make me a Toungeman's Logic HuCARD a couple of years ago. I think it cost like $20 or something to have done. Where does the other $200 come from!?
So unrepentantly scummy and crooked, this guy. Soooooooooo greedy. Quest probably made $5 off each copy of this game originally and they actually made the f*cking thing. He used to sell Sapphire for $35. I know because I bought it from him! Now if he's not pocketing $100 on every game he sells he's not doing it. More profit than Sony makes off an entire PlayStation and the first four games you buy for it.
EDIT: I just checked my record and I had that HuCARD made for $48. Actually, it was $48 for the card (with very nice printed art) and five more blank cards and the programmer adaptor, shipped, with tracking and insurance, from Europe to the US.
So without a doubt this is you paying $240 for terrible art and dumb patches with a game that costs %10 of that to produce. I would tell his customers to go f*ck themselves, but all of them obviously doing just that.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: crazydean on May 18, 2017, 06:01:44 PM
LOL! f*ck any idiot who buys this. When you can buy a flash cart for 1/3 of the price, who would buy this? The people who buy this are the same people who shouldn't be in this hobby to begin with.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: esteban on May 19, 2017, 12:23:29 AM
I haven't looked at the page (trying to resist), but here is the official countdown to MANY DOUCHEBAG YOUTUBERS (who are otherwise "tolerable") foaming at the mouth because they can't keep their fetish for "Holy Grails" in check.
3... 2... 1...
TRIVIA CHALLENGE: How many TubeYou "personalities" will have spontaneous orgasms on-camera as they discuss this new development in the tabloid that is Magical Chase?
How many others will feel threatened by this development? Their insecurities masked behind boasts of owning the "genuine" Huey?
FINAL SCORE:
Collectards: 2 Humanity: Nil.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gypsy on May 19, 2017, 12:30:52 AM
LOL! f*ck any idiot who buys this. When you can buy a flash cart for 1/3 of the price, who would buy this? The people who buy this are the same people who shouldn't be in this hobby to begin with.
Fine bootleg connoisseurs. I mean this is a limited edition bootleg. It will not be re-issused. THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO BUY THIS FINE BOOTLEG. And just ask Neo collectors, you need it in your collection. Otherwise, you may as well just throw out your entire collection.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: TheClash603 on May 19, 2017, 01:19:41 AM
What makes no sense is there is already a lot of the other bootleg Magical Chase which were on Ebay at a much lower price. Hasn't the ship already sailed for a chance to exploit this game based on that other release?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: BigusSchmuck on May 19, 2017, 01:43:57 AM
He must be targeting his "fans." Otherwise what would be the point?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Desh on May 19, 2017, 01:50:37 AM
"Both titles include japanese HuCards, a black one for Splatterhouse and and a white one for Magical Chase. The included HuCards were provided by TG-16 Mods in Canada. They do great work and you can get in touch with them for all your HuCard needs."
So he's reselling Turbokon's repros?
We already know PCEWorls is teh douche nozzle so his releases never surprise me. I am interested to know if he bought a shit ton of repros from Turbokon or how that deal played out.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Necromancer on May 19, 2017, 02:17:47 AM
Boo on Turbokon for selling a bunch of boots to this chucklef*ck, and even more so if he's an active partner.
Title: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: esteban on May 19, 2017, 02:42:10 AM
Boo on Turbokon for selling a bunch of boots to this chucklef*ck, and even more so if he's an active partner.
I don't think that is the case.
(Hoping! Anyway..)
I recall a French (?) dude had developed a way to "mass produce" eprom HuCARDs (he even posted here, with discounts for buying in lots of _____, IIRC?).
Anyway, I would suspect that the European source for the eprom Hueys is what Tobias tapped into...
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Necromancer on May 19, 2017, 02:57:11 AM
Tobias's word isn't worth much, so I suppose that's a possibility, but he claims that they came from Turbokon and provides a link to his site.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: turbokon on May 19, 2017, 02:57:23 AM
Boo on Turbokon for selling a bunch of boots to this chucklef*ck, and even more so if he's an active partner.
Just for the record guys, we are not partners. He ordered them in bulk from us late last year. He asked for them assembled and programmed with no artwork and case.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: jperryss on May 19, 2017, 02:58:39 AM
Edit: NVM
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Black Tiger on May 19, 2017, 03:32:56 AM
I'm surprised that he didn't slso include a bootleg cart of the GBC version as it would have been cheap and easy to do compared to the HuCard.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Punch on May 19, 2017, 04:00:54 AM
Boo on Turbokon for selling a bunch of boots to this chucklef*ck, and even more so if he's an active partner.
Just for the record guys, we are not partners. He ordered them in bulk from us late last year. He asked for them assembled and programmed with no artwork and case.
How is Tobias not blacklisted from everything PCEFX members does at this point? I suspect you're not making a living out of hucards so I must say I'm kinda disappointed, I thought that the point of it was to undercut gougers, not supply them.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: geise on May 19, 2017, 04:33:12 AM
Tempted to go to facebook for the first time in ages and check Tats group. There's probably already a ton of people there saying how awesome it is.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Black Tiger on May 19, 2017, 04:39:32 AM
I don't know if the PCEWorks Magical Chase bootleg is the rare/valuable Turbo version or just the PCE game, buf if the TG-16 Mods guys are willing to wholesale to prolific bootleggers and gougers, why didn't Tobias have both versions included on the same HuCard? Especially since these sets are including multiple versions slready? Did he think it would feel more like a cheap pirate game and not like a "real" game? :P
I'm also surprised that he ratted them out in his ad. I wonder if he thought that being associsted with pcefx members would somehow fix his reputation within the PCE community or if the TG-16 Mods team asked for the promotion since PCEWorks is so lucrative?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Necromancer on May 19, 2017, 04:47:56 AM
It's the PCE version huey and manual. I assume that means he'll do a US version later.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: elmer on May 19, 2017, 05:05:42 AM
Just for the record guys, we are not partners. He ordered them in bulk from us late last year. He asked for them assembled and programmed with no artwork and case.
And so you mass-duplicated someone else's property and bulk-shipped it to PCEWorks, ready to be branded with his own logos.
Yes ... you're a partner. You're a willing and cooperative supply-chain partner in the for-profit theft of copyrighted works.
That's a pretty big step from just custom-duplicating a game or two for individuals that feel that they absolutely need the shelf-candy in order to re-create the "experience".
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gypsy on May 19, 2017, 05:16:24 AM
Just for the record guys, we are not partners. He ordered them in bulk from us late last year. He asked for them assembled and programmed with no artwork and case.
And so you mass-duplicated someone else's property and bulk-shipped it to PCEWorks, ready to be branded with his own logos.
Yes ... you're a partner. You're a willing and cooperative supply-chain partner in the for-profit theft of copyrighted works.
That's a pretty big step from just custom-duplicating a game or two for individuals that feel that they absolutely need the shelf-candy in order to re-create the "experience".
I agree with elmer.
I have nothing to add.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gentlegamer on May 19, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
#elmerisright
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: shubibiman on May 19, 2017, 10:43:54 AM
Boo on Turbokon for selling a bunch of boots to this chucklef*ck, and even more so if he's an active partner.
Just for the record guys, we are not partners. He ordered them in bulk from us late last year. He asked for them assembled and programmed with no artwork and case.
And what did you expect ?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Necromancer on May 19, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Not the Spanish Inquisition, that much we know for sure.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 19, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
I would pay money to hear Chris and Dion's (NGF) thoughts on this. To me, it seems like a massively more successful version of the shit they'd pull. The hype of the bootleggery is bigger that of the original article.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gex on May 19, 2017, 11:32:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/jxmgvO9.png?1)
Arkhan get in here
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 19, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
f*ck this guy.
f*ck everyone helping him.
You're pouring gas on a burning building and then going "WHOA WHOA. I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!"
It's our job as "people doing Turbo stuff" to not do stupid shit and to make sure things stay sane.
Use common sense. If a repro cunt is asking for bulk hucards, tell him "f*ck off". There's judgment calls that need to be made and so far it really seems like the wrong ones are being made left and right.
People ask me for hueys of *insert game here*. I tell them no.
When dickhead resellers ask me for Atlantean, I send them pictures of dinosaurs and squirrels and shit. I don't go YEAH SURE DUDE, HERE LEMME SHIP YOU ONE. Or I tell them I am sold out. And then I post another "we have Atlanteans for sale!" thing to see if they can connect those dots.
Helping this guy do anything is in fact stupid shit.
The guys a dick. He did stupid, shady things. He's helped impact shit prices. He's the reason people can't trust Sapphire sales.
He's not actually into this stuff. He's into pandering to simpletons to make money off of them because everyone collectively loses their self control when they see some stupid thing some dick produced.
OMG I GOTTA HAVE THAT.
He's encouraging / enabling the ShelfCandy stupidity everyone claims to hate.
When did "we're going to do affordable bootlegs etc. etc. to stick it to Tobias" become "We're going to enable the shit out of his shitshow and help him out!"
We all know anyone could do this shit. Why are you helping the guy? It's photoshop clipart shenanigans sent off to a print shop and then wacked together. 5 seconds of googling can find you all this stuff. You could go to Kinkos and fire off a bunch of cool decorations out of art from these games.
Yes, the things he makes look neat. So what. When he was just bootlegging Sapphire and f*cking people over, that looked neat too. Did we throw him a parade and help him out? Nope.
Where'd the other headhunters go? All the people that come down on this shit? We had the whole "f*ck Tobias" witch hunt extravaganza so many times in the past.
Hint: They, and other normies got tired of watching the new Lemonade Stand mentality and went to go do something that didn't make them want to punch their monitors.
You newer Turbo scene people really don't seem to get it. Tobias is a dickhole.
Stop helping him. Stop associating with him.
Leave him alone and don't support or enable his shit, so he f*cks off and ruins some other scene instead.
PRICES SUCK AND EVERYONE JUST LIKES POSTING PICS AND COLLECTARDING AND IT'S REALLY STUPID AND
HEY! LOOK AT THIS BOXED SET WOW COOL IM GONNA BUY IT AND POST PICS ON FACEBOOK
#OBEYLIFE #OBEY #PCE4LIFE #4TEHLOVEOFIT #f*ck
I refuse to give the guy a free pass because he "tried to make things right".
He got caught. He got outed. If he wasn't a piece of shit, he wouldn't have had to get caught/busted/outed to start "making amends" or trying to be cool.
f*cking dick.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: crazydean on May 19, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
I mean, f*ck Tobias.
Also, those bootlegs look really cool. They're totally worth a couple hundred dollars.
#imanadultanddontunderstandhowprioritieswork
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: sirhcman on May 19, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: lukester on May 19, 2017, 01:25:49 PM
Anyone try contacting konami or namco or whoever? If you guys are that concerned.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: sirhcman on May 19, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
I might have to profprof them and get all their wares for free. #sickburn! Then sell it on FB a year or whatever later. :lol:
Seriously though... I love Shawn and Jodi. IRL at that. I don't love this situation/development. #dichotomy
It's time people start telling their friends
"hey dummies, you f*cked up."
We need to stop with this "omfg its a pce related project therefore infinite <3s and support 5ever" bullshit
This is a f*ckup.
The reprocards were already kind of overpriced and overkilled. this is just the next level.
This stuff doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Flare65 on May 19, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
I think the price is going to be a real turn off for a lot of people. For that kind of money I'd rather spend the extra 70.00 and buy a Nintendo Switch.....if you can actually find one (that's another story...)
I admit, the packaging is kinda cool, but the price point is way off for these games.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 19, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
id rather throw the 300$ or whatever out the window, or grind it into a pulp and stick it in my own ass than give that piece of shit any money.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 19, 2017, 04:04:43 PM
I think the price is going to be a real turn off for a lot of people. For that kind of money I'd rather spend the extra 70.00 and buy a Nintendo Switch.....if you can actually find one (that's another story...)
I admit, the packaging is kinda cool, but the price point is way off for these games.
How old are you?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: shubibiman on May 19, 2017, 06:41:37 PM
Anyone try contacting konami or namco or whoever? If you guys are that concerned.
I've tried to contact Konami France but had no reply at all. Maybe Namco-Bandai will react.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: jtucci31 on May 20, 2017, 04:43:00 AM
Hmm, I like mine better. Looks way more authentically bootleg.
(http://i.imgur.com/O3BJQ7P.jpg)
In all seriousness, those repro hu cards look very similar to the ones turbokon was doing awhile back (and is still doing?). Are those an open thing/anyone can do, is PCE Works most likely just ripping this shit off of turbokon, or (not to spew total shit) is turbokon with this at all? I'm stupid and can't be bothered to read previous pages in the thread :)
I'm not sure. Either way, this is obviously totally ludicrous and I honestly don't ever care for their packaging. Start banning people on FB who buy this shit or something already.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Black Tiger on May 20, 2017, 05:05:53 AM
Hmm, I like mine better. Looks way more authentically bootleg.
(http://i.imgur.com/O3BJQ7P.jpg)
In all seriousness, those repro hu cards look very similar to the ones turbokon was doing awhile back (and is still doing?). Are those an open thing/anyone can do, is PCE Works most likely just ripping this shit off of turbokon, or (not to spew total shit) is turbokon with this at all?
I'm not sure. Either way, this is obviously totally ludicrous and I honestly don't ever care for their packaging. Start banning people on FB who buy this shit or something already.
Looks like you missed a page. turbokon & co are the ones who made them. Tobias only dropped them into gaudy packaging.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: jtucci31 on May 20, 2017, 05:27:39 AM
I think the price is going to be a real turn off for a lot of people. For that kind of money I'd rather spend the extra 70.00 and buy a Nintendo Switch.....if you can actually find one (that's another story...)
I admit, the packaging is kinda cool, but the price point is way off for these games.
How old are you?
Still laughing
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Desh on May 21, 2017, 11:20:32 AM
Ouch... this thread fills me with disappointment and this is coming from the forum parasite. It's like finding out your wife is f*cking your arch enemy.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Dicer on May 21, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
My thoughts as always... (https://m.popkey.co/b12fb4/e059o.gif)
He's gonna keep makin em, people are gonna keep buying/flipping/reviewing them
Why get salty over it anymore, it's not gonna make a f*ckin lick O' difference.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gex on May 21, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
Ouch... this thread fills me with disappointment and this is coming from the forum parasite. It's like finding out your wife is f*cking your arch enemy.
Damn, that's a vivid example
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2017, 02:18:53 PM
Why get salty over it anymore, it's not gonna make a f*ckin lick O' difference.
Because *now*, our own "people" are supplying him and making his job that much easier.
AKA: The literal opposite of what you should be doing if you want a piece of shit to stop.
Remember when we all laughed at how stupid Tobias was, and how what he was doing sucked?
and how some people were going to group up and do an alternative to push him out?
hah.
hahahahhaa.
"If you can't beat em, join em" doesn't even apply because there was never an attempted alternative. It was more like "f*ck it! money! LOLOL"
I meant it in more of a personal way, I'm a relative "noob" to this community even though I've been balls deep in the obey scene since it was a thing.
I just think people are gonna do what they are gonna do, support the good ones, shun the bad ones.
Sorry if I got ya riled Ark, t'was not the intent.
Peace and love hugs and shit....
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2017, 02:40:55 PM
The problem is, we have "good ones" doing things "bad ones" would do, and instead of anyone going "okwtf" we have a goddamn parade about it with high fives and participation trophies for everyone involved.
If you pulled this shit like not even 5 years ago, you'd get lit up.
The problem I think, is that other relative noobs kinda just showed up, were cool enough, did some mods & arts and crafts stuff that people liked, and then they took it too far.
To me it seems like they're chasing money. They also don't seem to realize that they are irking and/or driving people away.
This is partially because other people are so loud with the high fives that it makes it seem OK.
It's not OK anymore. This is horse shit.
If RoyVegas or some other idiot did this same shit, we'd be having a field day with him. This biased high-fiver-y sucks.
The people who would also be speaking up have either gotten tired of it and just left, or they've legit died.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Sarumaru on May 21, 2017, 04:48:48 PM
The problem is, we have "good ones" doing things "bad ones" would do, and instead of anyone going "okwtf" we have a goddamn parade about it with high fives and participation trophies for everyone involved.
If you pulled this shit like not even 5 years ago, you'd get lit up.
The problem I think, is that other relative noobs kinda just showed up, were cool enough, did some mods & arts and crafts stuff that people liked, and then they took it too far.
To me it seems like they're chasing money. They also don't seem to realize that they are irking and/or driving people away.
This is partially because other people are so loud with the high fives that it makes it seem OK.
It's not OK anymore. This is horse shit.
If RoyVegas or some other idiot did this same shit, we'd be having a field day with him. This biased high-fiver-y sucks.
The people who would also be speaking up have either gotten tired of it and just left, or they've legit died.
The problem is with social media where this sort of thing seems to be acceptable and the majority there have no real moral compass. So long as the packaging is pretti, they'll want it. Another issue with why all of this is in the state that it's in is that there are a number of people who were long time members of the community who were respected and so it's easier to overlook these things for what it seems like most people. If someone DOES try to stick it to em and make cheaper repros or whatever, those people will likely make enemies with those who are involved with the current repros (which already happened between two people making repros AFAIK). Personally I don't agree with what's happening at the PCEworks front and was very upset about the XAKIII/SOII being sold again because at that point, he's profiteering off of the very recent work of people who had done the work so the gamers could enjoy for free. But one of the biggest issues with this whole PCEworks thing is that many weren't around for the BS (Sapphire etc.) or simply don't care. How do you stop it? He's been at it for a decade and a half already.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2017, 05:29:14 PM
On Facebook, nobody gives a flying f*ck, as you've already noted.
Members of ISIS could show up selling copies of games photographed next to decapitated prisoners or whatever, and half those stupid f*cks would be like "PM SENT. DO YOU TAKE PAYPAL?".
You can give them the history lesson. It doesn't do anything. They don't care.
It falls on deaf ears to the majority of people because they are just dumbasses that want more shelf candy so they can get validation from strangers on the internet about their wads of shit they don't actually play.
That attitude has leaked into here as well. I've pointed it out before.
We also have newer members both here and on FB that to me, are disrespectful dickshits with respect to the PCE community / scene. They start with that "omg y u naysaying." and "omg its just opinions everyone can have them omg" bullshit.
They don't care about the historical context of anything. They don't care about who's who / done what. They just want to get shelf candy, and to shitpost.
That's it.
Everything's devolved into self centered piece of shit shitposters that just want to buy stuff and don't care where it's coming from, and have no actual respect for anything.
We had people who, as I said, were claiming they were going to do something proactive about stopping it.
look how that went.
Our own kind turned on us, so it's all basically f*cked at this point.
Facebook/Social Media f*cked it all up.
The only way to fix it is for the impossible to happen: Everyone would need to stop being a bunch of high fiving boyscouts.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: shubibiman on May 21, 2017, 07:20:02 PM
Great post that pretty much sums my state of mind of the moment.
Thanks Arkhan.
But I'd like to add : remember what I said when Turbokon first sold his Magical Chase repros ?
Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 21, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?
Yeah I mean, we've sure as hell come full circle on that and it is extremely disappointing to see greed overtake common sense.
I never really enjoyed the 45$ price tag, in all honesty. It's too high. I know the cost of the parts is nowhere near that.
The idea was to get cheap copies of rare games into the hands of humans so they could have physical copies to play.
At the time, it made sense. Everdrives were harder to come by and always out of stock. The other flash carts were pieces of shit.
GameOfYou stopped making his sweet little 30$ one (which by the way, for f*cks sake, GameOfYou's reprogrammable via USB flashcartridge is cheaper than a bootleg of ONE game. What.)
but, they're fake. They will always be fake. They don't hold any inherent value/story/meaning that makes them worth stacking on a shelf.
Their value is whatever the parts cost. There's nothing special about them. Buy an everdrive. It's the same.
Everdrive availability for around 80$ has rendered these things utterly pointless for anything other than some moronic desire to have shit on a shelf.
Like Zeta said, gamers collect really stupid shit that is so stupid it makes collectors in other hobbies go "what. the. f*ck.?"
My grandparents taped movies on HBO in the 80s. They have a whole mess of VHS on a shelf, labeled with what movies are on the VHS.
I can assure you, nobody is going to walk in there one day and go HOLY SHIT.
STEEL MAGNOLIAS ON A KODAK VHS!? SWEET.
I have a bin of cassette tapes. My early 90s mixtapes with scribbly labels mean literally nothing. My copies of CDs that I put onto a cassette? Worthless.
This crap is pretty much the same
It's meaningless copies made because we can't afford real ones.
Except now, the f*cking meaningless copies are approaching the same level of "what the f*ck, I am not paying that for a game".
If it's not an original, it's not special. It's crap.
Everything is crap.
We're all crap.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: ClodBuster on May 21, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
I know both Tobias William Reich's adress and phone number, acquired through the Denic's Whois entry of hazard-city.de, and https://www.dastelefonbuch.de/Suche/Reich/M%C3%BCnchen . This is freely available information to anybody.
If anybody has trouble to get this information by himself, e.g. for fans sending him love letters for the love of it, please let me know via PM. I won't post the adress, though, unless Necro and others are OK with it.
EDIT: More related domains with the same WhoIs: http://www.garden-of-war.de/ http://www.creative-weapon.de/
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gojira1954 on May 22, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
I like the analogy of repros to VHS copies lol Clearly for me repros are a waste of space, can't see the point at all :s One way to dent pceworks sales would be to get the exclusive stuff he sells into the public domain; SUPER REAL MAHJONG PII-III CUSTOM SPECIAL, twinbee returns et al
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gredler on May 22, 2017, 01:33:37 AM
I love the everdrives, being able to play all these "rare games" I can't afford, but also own a couple repros.
A SD2Snes is like over 100$ and could buy a repro of terrenigma, a game not released in my region, for ~$25 at a trade show. I picked it up figuring I could play the game and be on my way for a cheap solution without the ultra fake feel of emulation.
Repros can be cool, when affordable options to excessively prices games. Repros as collectors items though. That's madness, I agree.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gojira1954 on May 22, 2017, 02:09:11 AM
Fair enough, for games you can't get to work on an everdrive I get it, I've converted sfc carts into us Mario rpg and starfox 2... But I didn't buy or sell them, hacking the carts was more fun than playing the game for me :s Selling copyrighted works in deliberately appealing to f*ckwits packaging is not something I would support, fun to point and laugh tho
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: geise on May 22, 2017, 03:07:46 AM
He's gonna keep makin em, people are gonna keep buying/flipping/reviewing them
Why get salty over it anymore, it's not gonna make a f*ckin lick O' difference.
People are getting salty since actual forum members here are physically supporting him. Adding fuel to the fire as Arkhan put it. If people would leave this a$$hole and all his pceworks shit alone he can move onto f*cking some other scene instead.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Lost Monkey on May 22, 2017, 03:11:59 AM
I've always wondered if Tobias puts on each pair and does some jumping jacks or jogs a bit to properly scrot 'em up.
I know I teabagged the hell out of some hueys that turbozonedirect1 won for his ebay flipping biz. I kinda hope turbokon did the same with the repros Tobias bought... though he may have gotten raw with that many cards to rub on.
Ass hueys?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2n6137
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 22, 2017, 06:44:29 AM
Everything Arkhan said.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Trenton_net on May 22, 2017, 10:57:07 AM
I don't envy people who want to find legitimately rare PC-Engine titles these days. Before when you wanted legit copies of "The TV Show" or "Bazaru de Gozaru", it would take a while for them to appear, but when they did they were authentic. Now markets are flooded with semi-honest (?) listings that say their copies are the new 2016 pressings from Germany, or just outright false with no warning at all (except for the expert collector who can spot them).
For example, this guy selling "The TV Show" sealed. But don't worry! It's not hand made! It's a 100% custom designed one from 2016, made in Germany. At 100%+ markup to boot! :/
I think most of the old timers here already have these rare titles, but for the new guy getting into the PC-Engine, it's probably going to be a rough ride (Especially with speculators driving the price up for all things retro game).
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 22, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
Before all this bullshit nobody went looking for those games. PCE fandom was minimal when they were released and they probably had trouble selling what they had. Now there are 70 million gaijin complaining about how expensive it is to own every single goddamn game on the system as if that's something expected of them.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Punch on May 22, 2017, 02:21:05 PM
I'm still confused about how on earth Tobias gets to print all those obvious bootlegs in f*cking Germany of all places. I talked with some local disc presses and they make you prove you have the rights granted for the data + every single music track. Is he forging documents or did he just find a shady factory for his discs?
about teh rar3z: Who the hell wants to genuinely play "The TV Show" so bad? That's right: no one. And that goes for a lot of tobias'd titles, from the good games (I still haven't found anyone except for me who claimed to try to get into Might and Magic III, let alone beat it) to the absolutely useless ones that only get a "reprint" because of r4r1ty hype (everyone was just DYING to play this particular PCE mahjong game, yeah right). Any "true collector" ( :-&) that legitimately wants those titles isn't going to settle for a bootleg anyway.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Black Tiger on May 22, 2017, 02:43:49 PM
He faked a document from Hudson Soft of Japan, so he could be faking more, but he's probably using the company in Switzerland because they don't care.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Arkhan on May 22, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
Things like this again just confirm that he's a piece of shit, and people who assist in his garbage should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gex on May 22, 2017, 06:02:57 PM
Before all this bullshit nobody went looking for those games. PCE fandom was minimal when they were released and they probably had trouble selling what they had. Now there are 70 million gaijin complaining about how expensive it is to own every single goddamn game on the system as if that's something expected of them.
The thing is, even until last year nobody even knew about those titles. You can expect everyone to say how Bazaru de Gozaru is the best puzzle game of all times, because it was made by the same company that created the Pokemons.
Just as I see a lot of people saying that Coryoon is the best PCE shooter. They've only been saying this since the game has reached the 400$+ mark.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: ClodBuster on May 22, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
For example, this guy selling "The TV Show" sealed. But don't worry! It's not hand made! It's a 100% custom designed one from 2016, made in Germany. At 100%+ markup to boot! :/
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Freeway2 on May 22, 2017, 10:40:09 PM
^^^^^^Thank you!, those are the a$$holes who sold me a Bonk 3 at the end of last year/beginning of this year. Shortly after hitting the buy it now button I had a bad feeling. Well I sent a pm asking to cancel it and couldn't get a answer so I messaged ebay who said they we're told it had already been shipped. Well after about a week of constant harassment I was finally told I would be reported for making threats(I left pms saying I would be at their shop in the morning ect. It took a month and a half to get the game which is how I found out about memories. :evil: SCUM
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gypsy on May 23, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
The thing is, even until last year nobody even knew about those titles. You can expect everyone to say how Bazaru de Gozaru is the best puzzle game of all times, because it was made by the same company that created the Pokemons.
Just as I see a lot of people saying that Coryoon is the best PCE shooter. They've only been saying this since the game has reached the 400$+ mark.
I think that only applies to Johnny-Turbo-Come-Latelys. Those of us that've been OBEYing for years are familiar with all the games he's made, either owning them, playing 'em on cdr, or wistfully thinking they'd love to try 'em after reading a review on Duomazov (but not at the going price).
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Opethian on May 23, 2017, 02:23:56 AM
FM downs repros is an untapped market think of the opportunities here future investors
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Punch on May 23, 2017, 02:32:01 AM
About teh rar3z: Who the hell wants to genuinely play "The TV Show" so bad? That's right: no one. And that goes for a lot of tobias'd titles
Lol, I admit "The TV Show" was a bad example, but some games like Dracula X and Gozaru are legitimately enjoyably titles. (^_^); But as a whole, yes rare games don't usually deserve the asking price being commanded. Unless your a hardcore fan, "Good" or even "Excellent" doesn't mean $200+ "Good" or "Excellent".
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Koa Zo on May 23, 2017, 07:27:24 AM
Dragon Ball Epoch Super Casette Vision special edition with 4-star dragon ball and bulma's panties 255 EUR
PM sent!
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: ChuChu Flamingo on May 30, 2017, 05:03:23 AM
I really don't see the point in owning a reproduction of something physical that cost this much just because it is tangible. I can understand brand new games that are made for retro consoles or maybe romhacks (which most are overpriced anyhow).
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gentlegamer on May 31, 2017, 09:12:13 AM
I really don't see the point in owning a reproduction of something physical that cost this much just because it is tangible. I can understand brand new games that are made for retro consoles or maybe romhacks (which most are overpriced anyhow).
It stems from a mental disorder called collectardation.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 31, 2017, 10:01:45 AM
This is another thing that fans of other things usually understand better than gamers.
"Legit": legal rights play a large part. If you make something original yourself it's legit. If you sell photocopies of it, they are legit. If I sell a photocopy of it, it's not legit unless you've given me permission. An old NES game is legit. Game & Watch Ball is legit. Nintendo's repro Game & Watch is legit. All regions are legit. An artist who is no longer legally attached to something he once worked on and goes it alone is...mostly legit. (Greg Lake and the ELP Experience). By this metric the Neo Geo X is legit, even though it's not that great, because quality has nothing to do with legitimacy. Vitage Ultraman SoFuBi are total crap but %100 legit.
Not legit: pretty much everything else. Home made shit. Neo Geo Freak, PCE Memories. CD-Rs of ROMs (yes, including CD-Rs of ROMs in a fancy case).
There isn't any in between. To most collectors in most scenes nothing bootleg is worth even the sum of its parts...dollar-wise, that is. In scenes where some kind of media or art is what's being collected then bootlegs are ESSENTIAL to that scene. There aren't enough copies of Sapphire or whatever to go around. However, all of these essential boots are basically worthless...
There are exceptions. Replica Group B rally cars are a big business now since almost any legit car described as such is half a million dollars now. It takes a lot of money to make one, and usually quite a few "legit" parts such as a shell and an engine, so these are by nature very expensive bootlegs. However there is ZERO confusion over what is real, and the real shit is hella super rare as f*ck. It would be VERY hard to build a knock-off 205 T16 and successfully sell it as one without having INTERPOL issue a warrant for your arrest soon after.
Neo Geo AES is kinda like the rally car scene in that the "boots" often require legit shit to make. For example, Crazy Dion is in the shit again for soliciting a fake Metal Slug JP. It has all legit ROM chips in it (making it infinitely more legit than anything Tobias does) but has all its PCBs and case and packaging either taken from elsewhere or outright fabricated. However, to the serious AES collector the cart is offensive because they SAC-ed a MS1 MVS cart and some home cart so make these so those two have essentially been destroyed (uncool) and used as a scam to suck $1500 out of someone (diabolical). The resulting boot is worth far less than the $100 worth of stuff they used to make it to a serious collector. Personally, as a collector of only the filthiest MVS carts on principle I'm cool with anything that has real SNK chips in it...but I don't do AES anyway...
In the record collecting world boots are just part of being involved in music, as a performer, as a store, a label, or fan. However, unless the boot itself is of some kind of significance (ie: secretly released by the artist, for example) then it's worth like $10 max forever.
In the record world there is no analog to Tobias becsuse in the record world the collectards aren't as collectarded as gamers are.
Which...should not surprise. Games don't exactly make you smart or worldly...
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: shubibiman on May 31, 2017, 10:25:23 AM
In the music world, bootlegs are mostly lives and have nothing in common with an official record whatsoever. In Tobias' case, his bootlegs are just repros.
And I never thought I would ever read about a Peugeot car on US forums XD
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: elmer on May 31, 2017, 11:12:58 AM
I'll have you know that I had the "Performance" model, with the super-powerful 1.3L 4-cylinder engine!
I could absolutely fly when going downhill. :lol:
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 31, 2017, 01:17:17 PM
The 205 T16 in final Evo forum would do 0-60 in three seconds. It's worth even an American's attention. :)
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Winniez on May 31, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
Most well balanced and reliable of the group B cars but has absolutely nothing - and I mean nothing - to do with the actual production car. That being said the regular 205 GTI is a great fun to drive, propably the most fun FWD car of the 80s. Very eager and tossable. When the french get something right they really hit it out of the park.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gentlegamer on May 31, 2017, 01:36:13 PM
There isn't any in between. To most collectors in most scenes nothing bootleg is worth even the sum of its parts...dollar-wise, that is. In scenes where some kind of media or art is what's being collected then bootlegs are ESSENTIAL to that scene. There aren't enough copies of Sapphire or whatever to go around. However, all of these essential boots are basically worthless...
This is true, but there is one gaming exception I know of: gamers from the former communist eastern bloc actually collect the Famicom bootlegs that were smuggled in and circulated from that era because that is authentic to their nostalgia. And as far as I know, only the actual bootlegs from the era are considered authentic, which makes sense in a weird way.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Winniez on May 31, 2017, 01:40:29 PM
And Zeta I think you are being too kind for collectors of other articles. You wouldn't belive the collectarding one can encounter in the world of comic books, LEGO or vintage toys. Although I agree about videogame collectors in general, there is that certain hording mentality that dictates you have to fill the shelves and buy everything.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: seieienbu on May 31, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
There isn't any in between. To most collectors in most scenes nothing bootleg is worth even the sum of its parts...dollar-wise, that is. In scenes where some kind of media or art is what's being collected then bootlegs are ESSENTIAL to that scene. There aren't enough copies of Sapphire or whatever to go around. However, all of these essential boots are basically worthless...
This is true, but there is one gaming exception I know of: gamers from the former communist eastern bloc actually collect the Famicom bootlegs that were smuggled in and circulated from that era because that is authentic to their nostalgia. And as far as I know, only the actual bootlegs from the era are considered authentic, which makes sense in a weird way.
I'd never heard of that before; that's fascinating. As for who would pay hundreds for a modern day bootleg, that's beyond me. Something like that with some amount of historical value seems different to me though. I accidentally wound up with a King bootleg of a PC Engine game that had been masquerading as a real title a while back. I kept it as a piece of curiosity even though I recognize that it's not the same as the actual game I was attempting to get.
Title: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: esteban on May 31, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
There isn't any in between. To most collectors in most scenes nothing bootleg is worth even the sum of its parts...dollar-wise, that is. In scenes where some kind of media or art is what's being collected then bootlegs are ESSENTIAL to that scene. There aren't enough copies of Sapphire or whatever to go around. However, all of these essential boots are basically worthless...
This is true, but there is one gaming exception I know of: gamers from the former communist eastern bloc actually collect the Famicom bootlegs that were smuggled in and circulated from that era because that is authentic to their nostalgia. And as far as I know, only the actual bootlegs from the era are considered authentic, which makes sense in a weird way.
I'd never heard of that before; that's fascinating. As for who would pay hundreds for a modern day bootleg, that's beyond me. Something like that with some amount of historical value seems different to me though. I accidentally wound up with a King bootleg of a PC Engine game that had been masquerading as a real title a while back. I kept it as a piece of curiosity even though I recognize that it's not the same as the actual game I was attempting to get.
TANGENT:
This reminded me of the "creatively inventive" gadgets folks in Cuba, Eastern Europe and Soviet Union built with scavenged parts/motors/circuits/etc.
It reveals creative solutions to dire living conditions.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 31, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
There isn't any in between. To most collectors in most scenes nothing bootleg is worth even the sum of its parts...dollar-wise, that is. In scenes where some kind of media or art is what's being collected then bootlegs are ESSENTIAL to that scene. There aren't enough copies of Sapphire or whatever to go around. However, all of these essential boots are basically worthless...
This is true, but there is one gaming exception I know of: gamers from the former communist eastern bloc actually collect the Famicom bootlegs that were smuggled in and circulated from that era because that is authentic to their nostalgia. And as far as I know, only the actual bootlegs from the era are considered authentic, which makes sense in a weird way.
When I said "unless the boot is of some kind of significance" I was thinking of Elmyr de Hory but your example is better.
I would totally collectard some Soviet-era Dendy shit, because I'm totally dumb to that scene and don't know anything about it, kinda like Turbo noobs on eBay.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: crazydean on May 31, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
. You wouldn't belive the collectarding one can encounter in the world of comic books, LEGO
Sadly it's true, I see a lot of apparently 'grown up' persons bragging about their newest acquisition of a LEPIN STAR WRNS set. Even new sets like the Lego Technic Porsche got bootlegged in no time, and there are all these silly Youtubers praising the 'quality', even though there are obvious quality issues (and possible health hazards for both customers, their kids and think of the poor people working in the Shenzen bootleg plants) with these. Also moral issues.
There are even bootlegs in the R/C car world, there had been fake Tamiyas since the late 80s (Fox/Killer) up to today (Baja Champ/Bonzer, and the numerous DF-03 Durga clones). Servos, too, there are more fake Futaba S3003 on the web than genuines. And the genuine one is just priced at 15 € per piece, so people must be pretty desperate and purposefully blind when they buy fakes in packs of four at ten bucks...
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Necromancer on June 01, 2017, 03:02:09 AM
Bootleg Legos?!? That's nuts.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: ClodBuster on June 01, 2017, 04:08:19 AM
And these dumb buyers throw bundles of money at Lego bootleggers like Lepin. For the sake of getting their hands not only on 'out of print' models of the recent decade, but also on bootlegs of new releases and even bootlegs of fanmade Lego creations (stolen from various fansites as well as Lego Ideas).
This is especially stupid, since if there's a specific model you crave for, just download the instructions from Brickset.com or Peeron.com and build it yourself with your stock of parts and the missing ones provided by e.g. Bricklink. It may not have every sticker, printed part or minifigure. But those people who are willing to buy Lego bootlegs don't seem to care for genuineness anyway - so what's the point?!
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Lost Monkey on June 01, 2017, 04:55:00 AM
And these dumb buyers throw bundles of money at Lego bootleggers like Lepin. For the sake of getting their hands not only on 'out of print' models of the recent decade, but also on bootlegs of new releases and even bootlegs of fanmade Lego creations (stolen from various fansites as well as Lego Ideas).
This is especially stupid, since if there's a specific model you crave for, just download the instructions from Brickset.com or Peeron.com and build it yourself with your stock of parts and the missing ones provided by e.g. Bricklink. It may not have every sticker, printed part or minifigure. But those people who are willing to buy Lego bootlegs don't seem to care for genuineness anyway - so what's the point?!
I am still not getting the Lego bootlegs - are the blocks recycled original blocks thrown together as a kit, or are the bootleggers manufacturing their own blocks for the bootleg set?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: ClodBuster on June 01, 2017, 05:24:49 AM
They are manufacturing their own from copying the original blocks. Thus this affects shape, clutch power, print quality, color tone consistency and sticker quality in a bad way. Also the raw plastic material itself injected into the molds has quality issues.
Their manuals are also shitty. Copied straight from the originals, but squeezing more steps on less paper. Colors are off, and 1:1 comparisons (needed for technic axles) are rendered useless.
You simply can't have the same quality of genuine Lego bricks at a lower price. This is not even counting in the intellectual property of the creations itself as well as licensing contracts for franchise related sets.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gentlegamer on June 01, 2017, 05:49:23 AM
When I was a kid, I made the Transformers I couldn't have out of Legos.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 01, 2017, 05:56:51 AM
Yeah, Lego is a quality engineered toy at its core. A shitty knock-off would be nonsense, like a bootleg Rolux that doesn't fool anyone.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 01, 2017, 02:02:18 PM
I actually bought some bootleg Ninjago minifigures for my kids. They would take them places and loose them so I was like f*ck it and bought the knock off set. You can get a set of 8 for $10 shipped. They look ok but my kids realized they were different right off the bat. Oh and LOL at the new MC repros. I got flamed on the FB groups for calling out the hu card bootleggers because people thought they were better or somehow more justified to make them for "the community" and now look at them all working together LMFAO Sad state for the PC Engine scene 2017, bootlegs were the worst thing to happen to our little world
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Lost Monkey on June 02, 2017, 01:55:34 AM
They are manufacturing their own from copying the original blocks. Thus this affects shape, clutch power, print quality, color tone consistency and sticker quality in a bad way. Also the raw plastic material itself injected into the molds has quality issues.
Their manuals are also shitty. Copied straight from the originals, but squeezing more steps on less paper. Colors are off, and 1:1 comparisons (needed for technic axles) are rendered useless.
You simply can't have the same quality of genuine Lego bricks at a lower price. This is not even counting in the intellectual property of the creations itself as well as licensing contracts for franchise related sets.
I get it now - I have actually bought knock off Lego at a dollar store just to have something at the office for when co-workers brought kids in and stuff.. they had sharp edges, wouldn't stay together and smelled like cancer...
They ended up in the garbage before they could hurt any kids...
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: Gentlegamer on June 02, 2017, 07:36:15 AM
I think I still have a giant case full of 80s Legos.
For use, I would dump them out onto a Superfriends bed sheet on the floor.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gex on June 03, 2017, 09:00:10 AM
Bullshit incoming Only on the FB groups..
(http://i.imgur.com/m6uzeIX.png?1)
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: TheClash603 on June 03, 2017, 09:15:02 AM
It may be off to the side and out of frame, but I assume that penis contraption from the movie Seven is a pack-in, to really push the anal rape to the highest level?
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: incrediblehark on June 03, 2017, 09:18:52 AM
I always thought bootleg Legos were called Mega Bloks?
I get the newsletter from PCE Works and when I saw the Magical Chase I was interested to see if it was on CD or not. When I realized it was Hucard repro and then who actually made them, I went to the source instead and ordered just the card.
EDIT: Just read through the entire thread, been out of the loop for a while. I knew there was some issues with what Tobias was doing, didn't realize it had gone this far. I missed out on the Magical Chase repros that were sold on here way back and thought ordering one from turbokon was acceptable because of the history here. But it sounds like that was a mistake. BTW I have had a flash cart in the past from the group buy here but it never worked for me so I got rid of it. Figured repro was my best option.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gex on June 03, 2017, 10:06:02 AM
BTW I have had a flash cart in the past from the group buy here but it never worked for me so I got rid of it. Figured repro was my best option.
Wow that's pretty sad actually. All the epic games you're missing out on
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2017, 01:22:28 PM
Yes, what a sad miserable state of half-existence it would be to not have a flash card. This is why nobody who owned a PCE more than four years ago had ever enjoyed their system. Every one of them was %100 sad bastard because if there is one thing that needs to be known it's that you MUST GET A FLASH CARD or life is purgatory.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: xelement5x on June 03, 2017, 02:11:25 PM
So I just saw this cover, what did they do to Ripple? She looks like some modern animu moe crap.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: gex on June 03, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
Well he bought his flash card for a reason. Probably because he doesn't have a full library of desirable physical games. So yeah, it is sad to be missing out. Especially if he's resorting to individually buying $40 repros.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: ClodBuster on June 04, 2017, 01:44:59 AM
Yes, what a sad miserable state of half-existence it would be to not have a flash card. This is why nobody who owned a PCE more than four years ago had ever enjoyed their system. Every one of them was %100 sad bastard because if there is one thing that needs to be known it's that you MUST GET A FLASH CARD or life is purgatory.
Hahahahhahjaja.
Totally!
I bought a flash cardt (sp?) years ago and HAVE YET TO USE IT ONCE.
Now, I'm not proud of this (I am an idiot, basically, and haven't even attempted to figure it out), but I know that one of these years I'll figure it out and be able to play translated ROMs and homebrew and Terra Cresta II on my console.
Until then, I'm still having tons of fun with my sad little PCE/TG-16. (The funny thing is that 99% of the time I am playing lots of the inexpensive.cheap games with my kids).
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Post by: incrediblehark on June 04, 2017, 04:24:27 AM
Well he bought his flash card for a reason. Probably because he doesn't have a full library of desirable physical games. So yeah, it is sad to be missing out. Especially if he's resorting to individually buying $40 repros.
I was fortunate enough to build my collection years ago before prices skyrocketed, getting most of my games as loose HuCards on Yahoo Japan. But there are a few games I would like to play still that are too hard to find / too expensive / translated.
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Post by: gex on June 04, 2017, 06:52:00 AM
Oh sweet! You're not missing a beat then. I'm in the same boat as Esteban, I have a ton of fun with those cheap PCE games. Reminds of an everdrive pop up on eBay the other day for $45USD. I roughly timed it selling within 60 seconds. Thought of buying it for someone else, but CAN shipping would most likely kill it. So competitive out there
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 04, 2017, 07:23:53 AM
It's not that I have a problem with flash cards (I have at least a half dozen for various systems, some of which actually still work!) it's just...so many posts lately about the things. This constant proselytizing for the them and the obsession with having every single game available all the time without even taking a game out of the slot...drives me crazy, hard to say why.
Sure, it's nice to be able to play Magical Chase (a game nobody would know about if eBay hadn't told them it was great) or other $$$ games but not only does it not smell like 80s Japan...it's all just kinda anti-human. It took millions of man hours to build the HuCARD library and personally I feel I experience it more thoroughly with $80 worth of games than an $80 flash card. There's more to a game than the ROM and I'm not talking about the paper and plastic boxes.
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Post by: TheClash603 on June 04, 2017, 08:13:21 AM
Yes, what a sad miserable state of half-existence it would be to not have a flash card. This is why nobody who owned a PCE more than four years ago had ever enjoyed their system. Every one of them was %100 sad bastard because if there is one thing that needs to be known it's that you MUST GET A FLASH CARD or life is purgatory.
Hahahahhahjaja.
Totally!
I bought a flash cardt (sp?) years ago and HAVE YET TO USE IT ONCE.
Now, I'm not proud of this (I am an idiot, basically, and haven't even attempted to figure it out), but I know that one of these years I'll figure it out and be able to play translated ROMs and homebrew and Terra Cresta II on my console.
Until then, I'm still having tons of fun with my sad little PCE/TG-16. (The funny thing is that 99% of the time I am playing lots of the inexpensive.cheap games with my kids).
Same here, I bought an everdrive during a group buy and I have never used it. I was excited to use the NES one I bought, but it seems to not actually work... The only one I have successfully used is the N64 one, that seems to work like a charm.
I am the only guy on the planet that can't figure out how to get ROMs without instead just downloading 100 viruses, so I just kinda gave up on it.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 04, 2017, 09:06:30 AM
Yeah, you must be dumb. Even my stupid ass knows how to warez.
I have two PCE flash cards, both dead. Quality control is a serious issue with these things, and that's another problem.
"Dude! Just get a Neo multi cart!"
"Dude, it smells like Harbor Freight and there's no such thing as KOF 2004."
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Post by: Gredler on June 05, 2017, 10:38:50 AM
I love the smell of harbor freight, and is Samurai Spirits 94 a real thing?
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 05, 2017, 10:53:31 AM
There was a new Samurai for 1994, and IT is a real thing, that's all I know.
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Post by: Gredler on June 05, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
There was a new Samurai for 1994, and IT is a real thing, that's all I know.
Whew, wasn't sure if I was crazy or what. When I look for the ROM on my friend's emulation box I noticed Samurai Showdown II is the same game, but my Japanese AES Cart simply says Samurai Spirits and has a date of 1994 so I call it 1994.
Cabbage called me out as wtf is that, so I was curious if I got a bootleg or my ignorance is referring to it wrong? :P
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 05, 2017, 01:18:16 PM
The JP names have no numbers. It's all Shin this and Amakusa that.
There also WAS a KOF released in 2004, it just wasn't for Neo (called Neowave). The only truely lame KOF, it was for Atomiswave.
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Post by: Gredler on June 05, 2017, 01:21:08 PM
It's not that I have a problem with flash cards (I have at least a half dozen for various systems, some of which actually still work!) it's just...so many posts lately about the things. This constant proselytizing for the them and the obsession with having every single game available all the time without even taking a game out of the slot...drives me crazy, hard to say why.
Sure, it's nice to be able to play Magical Chase (a game nobody would know about if eBay hadn't told them it was great) or other $$$ games but not only does it not smell like 80s Japan...it's all just kinda anti-human. It took millions of man hours to build the HuCARD library and personally I feel I experience it more thoroughly with $80 worth of games than an $80 flash card. There's more to a game than the ROM and I'm not talking about the paper and plastic boxes.
I think getting into TG16, CD's and Super CD's has always had a high barrier on entry getting in. Compared to just PCE. So not only is it expensive getting just the fundamentals to play, but getting a library of games is even worse. So people who were originally put off by this now have the chance to experience the hu card library. So even though everdrives have been around for a few years now, people are still proclaiming their love for them.. over and over again haha.
There's just something about original hardware though. Experiencing exactly what the game developers intended for their audience. They even have a signature smell to them, (anyone who denies not noticing this is a liar) :P. Everdrives overwhelm people from what i've noticed too. I'm personally enjoying playing through the PCE library one game at a time, as I get them. Someone here/somewhere else will mention a game that sounds cool, and i'll weasle myself a copy. But in the mean time while waiting for the slowest Canadian shipping possible, i'll continue experiencing my current title; until the new game comes.
I know in 2009 when I got into Nintendo emulation, it was easy to overlook certain titles because they fell in the shadow of more popular games. It might be ADHD, but knowing you have access to 500+ other games makes you antsy. Die a few times in solider blade, jump over to Raiden. Same thing, NEXT. And so on and on..
Contrasting this experience by being limited to only a couple games gives u more appreciation. In 2002 I was stuck with a rental N64 with one game; Indiana jones and the infernal machine. At the time I thought the controls, targeting system and everything else was really unique. And because I didn't have anything else to play, I stuck with it. Played through the entire thing and absolutely loved it.
But flash forward 15 years later, I'll watch my friends grab it from a stack of games on the table. Play it for 5 mins, say meh and move on. Guaranteed the thousands of people who have this loaded onto an emulator have never appreciated it. Regardless of having 100% access to the game.
Just lost my train of thought haha.. probably time for bed
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Post by: geise on June 06, 2017, 02:13:01 AM
Gex, everything you say is true. I feel the same way man.
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Post by: crazydean on June 06, 2017, 02:40:29 AM
I definitely understand the problem with being overwhelmed on the everdrive. However, I just began playing PCE about two years ago. If I had to buy games individually, a good portion of the library would have been off limits to me. Cost of entry for me was about $400 for a modded Duo and everdrive. With that same amount of cash, I would have been able to get a CoreGrafx and 10 or so cheap Huey's. The cost of a CD add-on would have been prohibitively expensive.
Say I play through 5 PCE games per year. With the everdrive, I can play 5 of the best games. Sure, I miss out on the mediocre 6/10 scored games. But, the alternative is to play through the five games that my wallet can afford. Isn't it better to be acquainted with the best games of a system rather than the ones the market dictates?
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 06, 2017, 05:03:44 AM
Not really, no.
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Post by: gojira1954 on June 06, 2017, 05:12:25 AM
I like the everdrive, the ability to play hacks and demos makes it unique. When I got an everdrive I planned on selling all my hucards but instead I ended up buying the few games I wanted that I was still missing - not that I ever play them tho I just use the everdrive due to convenience :s back on topic - repros are shit & f*ck tobias ;)
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Post by: gex on June 06, 2017, 06:27:36 AM
Say I play through 5 PCE games per year. With the everdrive, I can play 5 of the best games. Sure, I miss out on the mediocre 6/10 scored games. But, the alternative is to play through the five games that my wallet can afford. Isn't it better to be acquainted with the best games of a system rather than the ones the market dictates?
Awesome! It's not just me with ADHD that gets antsy looking at an entire library haha
If you can only play five games a year, then yeah make the most of it. Why not pick the best (acclaimed) possible titles. I think everyone has personal preferences/tastes though, so anything you hear/see that stands out to you; you can always just load it up the next time you're obeying.
Everyone has examples of this. Violent solider is a game I prefer playing over Gunhead, Even though it's way WAY more hyped over violent solider. But yeah.. personal preferences man
This is getting way off topic though^^
Some guy on the FB groups posted their "mail call" when they got theirs in, and it looked meh. Just a 1990's VHS tape holder with some printed papers. I forget what they were charging, but I was amazed (again) comparing the product to its absorbent cost.
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Post by: Black Tiger on June 06, 2017, 06:52:55 AM
Having hundreds of HuCards to choose from is no different than the effects people are describing from have hundreds of roms to play through emulation or off of a TED.
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Post by: Necromancer on June 06, 2017, 08:36:53 AM
Having hundreds of HuCards to choose from is no different than the effects people are describing from have hundreds of roms to play through emulation or off of a TED.
Heh, that's what I was thinking. There's not much difference when there's hundreds of "real" games sitting on the shelf already, plus I can download and burn just about any CD game.
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Post by: esteban on June 06, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Having hundreds of HuCards to choose from is no different than the effects people are describing from have hundreds of roms to play through emulation or off of a TED.
Heh, that's what I was thinking. There's not much difference when there's hundreds of "real" games sitting on the shelf already, plus I can download and burn just about any CD game.
I have been doing the following for years:
I only have 1-3 consoles/handhelds "out" at any given time.
I grab a handful of games for each system and focus on those specific titles for 1-3 weeks.
After 1-3 weeks, I will swap new consoles/handhelds + accompanying games in and out of rotation.
Sure, sometimes I'll swap stuff out, but, for the most part, this has been the most enjoyable way to play games when you have tons of hardware/software.
Granted, I own a lot of crappy games because I bought cheap lots many years ago.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 06, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
I have lots of games and systems. Not enough space to keep them all out, but I have as many as I can out at once. Hasn't really hindered my playing of games, but I can understand how someone could have too much of something to choose from. I get that way with my anime dvds/blus a lot.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 06, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
I've been playing 2020 Super Baseball for a week straight with some Super Robot Wars V at work.
I can't afford every single Neo Geo game (and also, I wouldn't even if I could) so I'm playing the dozen or so I have and because of this I actually a) know how to play them and b) understand the game more completely. If I owned more games I'd be worse at 2020 Superbaseball.
At around 150 titles the Neo has less software than almost any system so this affect I'm describing goes quad or octo with a system like PCE.
You've done the math, you've checked the prices, you've done everything the correct and Youtubiest way possible. You have a SGX with Super CDROM2 modded for region and RGB. You have it ALL.
To know the price of everything and the value of nothing...that kind of thing, is what I'm seeing. The true connoisseur is focused on what's in front of him, not a list of xxx.pce or a massive shelf. Unless you're actually experiencing the games you're simply a cave man playing with lasers that has zero clue WTF he is doing.
Breadth is useless without depth.
Some of you herbs are hollow, is what I'm saying.
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Post by: roflmao on June 06, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
I tend to stick with a single game per console for awhile as well. For instance, I picked up Genji Tsushin Agedama a few weeks ago and I've been playing that almost exclusively.
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Post by: crazydean on June 06, 2017, 11:22:32 AM
I prefer to play every game on my everdrive for ten minutes then move to another system. My goal is to play every game on every console.
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Post by: Necromancer on June 06, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
I'm kinda like este with my game playing, except that I only have five total platforms and they're all connected all the time. Two of 'em are rarely played: FEKA, for which I only have a handful of LA games, and the PC-FX, which is mostly only played if a visitor wants to see it or if a game comes up in chat or a thread. The other three systems are played more often: PSP, Vita, and Turbobs. I rotate between the three and try to play a game through to the end (or at least until it's no longer fun and I give up, like in Frantix or N+), and often it's a game that I've barely played before. It's a pretty good way to get to know a game inside and out.
I also have a handful of favorites that I pop in just for fun, when I want a break on whatever game I'm trying to beat, only have a few minutes to play, or am playing with a friend - stuff like Hatris, Bust A Move, Soldier Blade time runs, Bomberman '93/'94, Parasol Stars, etc.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 06, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
I've been playing 2020 Super Baseball for a week straight with some Super Robot Wars V at work.
How is SRW V?
What I tend to do is play one "longer/story oriented" game at a time (currently Ys IV which I can't stop posting about, I just got past that damn ice boss). Then usually a more skill oriented game as well that I try to get better at until I can ace it.
Also like Necro I have some quick play type favourites like Digital Pinball Necronomicon, Last Gladiators, Rez, Mario Kart Double Dash yadda yadda yadda.
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Post by: gex on June 07, 2017, 07:48:20 AM
Also like Necro I have some quick play type favourites like Digital Pinball Necronomicon, Last Gladiators, Rez, Mario Kart Double Dash yadda yadda yadda.
I'm guilty of having Mario Kart Double Dash hooked up 24/7 too! It's insane compared to the other games in the series, plus it's the only non PC game my dad played really. So we pop it in when the family gets together sometimes
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 07, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
I've been playing 2020 Super Baseball for a week straight with some Super Robot Wars V at work.
How is SRW V?
What I tend to do is play one "longer/story oriented" game at a time (currently Ys IV which I can't stop posting about, I just got past that damn ice boss). Then usually a more skill oriented game as well that I try to get better at until I can ace it.
Also like Necro I have some quick play type favourites like Digital Pinball Necronomicon, Last Gladiators, Rez, Mario Kart Double Dash yadda yadda yadda.
If you've played any main game in the series in the last decade you know, it's exactly like those.
I skipped the eigo and went with the Premium Sound and Song version. That makes a big difference in the experience to me since I've never bothered with the custom BGM shit before.
There are fewer missions this time, which is all good. These games are usually about 10 too long for me.
Yamato is a terrific addition, even though you wouldn't think so. I imagine the next game will have Godzilla. I'd honestly love to see Sentai rolled into it.
The new Mazin units are bonkers, of course.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 07, 2017, 11:16:35 AM
I'm guilty of having Mario Kart Double Dash hooked up 24/7 too! It's insane compared to the other games in the series, plus it's the only non PC game my dad played really. So we pop it in when the family gets together sometimes
I hear ya. It's my favourite by far. People hyped up the Wii U one to me, but it's just a worse Sonic Racing Transformed. It rarely leaves my Gamecube tbqh.
If you've played any main game in the series in the last decade you know, it's exactly like those.
I skipped the eigo and went with the Premium Sound and Song version. That makes a big difference in the experience to me since I've never bothered with the custom BGM shit before.
There are fewer missions this time, which is all good. These games are usually about 10 too long for me.
Yamato is a terrific addition, even though you wouldn't think so. I imagine the next game will have Godzilla. I'd honestly love to see Sentai rolled into it.
The new Mazin units are bonkers, of course.
I have. I'm definitely planning to get V and Moon Dwellers for PS4.
Not sure I'll bother with that premium version, since it's almost double from what I saw in a quick check. But I'll look into it more when I actually go to buy.
Fewer missions isn't too bad. I haven't played too many in the series, of course I played the OGs and then I gutted through a few in Japanese but haven't played it in a few years except for an OG replay. I went through 1 again then stalled on 2 doing some hardcore farming to maintain hard mode.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 07, 2017, 12:32:47 PM
I can't stand the OG series. Sure, it's exactly the same thing, but few of the characters or mecha are any good and the dialogue is oppressively dirivative moe/onsen/threesize crapola. I like the Lord of Elemental games though.
As for Double Dash vs 8. 8 has actual racing in it and DD is so luck/chaos based that it plays like a f*cking redemption machine. I hate it because no matter what you do every victory is skin-of-the-teath. You can never really crush someone into oblivion by simply out driving them like you could in Super Mario Kart because everyone is being constantly crushed into oblivion by the CPU.
8 is far from perfect but plays well and the courses are gorgeous. It's the first Mario Kart game I've really liked since Super Circuit on GBA.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 07, 2017, 12:44:43 PM
Oh yeah the dialogue is horse crap, heh. V will be the first non-OG I play in English, so I'll have a comparison point.
Yeah I mean, that's just Mario Kart to me. Although I am to the point where I smoke the computer pretty much every time, except for the tiny course where you have 7 laps. I've played a shit ton of it though. I don't mind 8 but honestly I would rather just play Sonic Racing. When I want skillful racing games I don't play Mario Kart. I'll dig into 8 more eventually. At this point I've probably only logged about 10 hours into it so I can't speak to it fully. Presumably I will also get better at it by playing it more, but I'm really not a fan of any of the Wii U controller options.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 07, 2017, 01:11:42 PM
Did you start with 64? I find 64-and-up people don't mind getting shot with five blue shells in one lap.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 07, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
Started with SNES when I was a wee lad over at a friend's place.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 07, 2017, 03:23:37 PM
DD is so luck/chaos based that it plays like a f*cking redemption machine. I hate it because no matter what you do every victory is skin-of-the-teath.
I think you perfectly summed it up, it is a stressful game. It has a very different feel compared to the rest of the games in the series, that i've played at least. The track just gets absolutely littered with items, because of the whole 2 characters thing. When it was released I thought it so so innovative how each character had their own "special", and not only that but BOTH characters get a special.
I always thought it was a huge step from Mario Kart 64, but I never really liked the 64 version. so double dash or SNES Mario kart for me.
But yeah, It's total f*cking chaos. And it just gets worse the more and more we re-familiarize ourselves with the controls.
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Post by: ClodBuster on June 07, 2017, 07:39:28 PM
I grew up with Super Mario Kart. A few years ago, me and a friend managed to beat the Special Cup in 150cc. I like Mario Kart 64 much better though, than any other entry in the series.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 07, 2017, 08:35:26 PM
For me nothing touches the original except the GBA one since it's basically the same, possibly better. I truely loathe the 64 one to the extent that I sold the system when I got that game. They decided mouth breathers need Mario Kart too and the resulting dilution left me out of the picture to this day.
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Post by: ClodBuster on June 07, 2017, 11:05:19 PM
You're missing out, haha. MK64 is more about good driving performance over items than the rest of the series that followed it. The GBA game was ok, but not that memorable to me.
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Post by: TheClash603 on June 08, 2017, 01:05:32 AM
MK64 has aged terribly, my friends made me play it for a few hours recently and it was abysmal.
DD is great. I love the two character system, as switching gives an extra layer of depth to gameplay. The fact there are some really great items that never made a return to the series makes DD a blast to go back to as well.
MK8 is great too, but it almost feels too polished. I liked some of the chaos that DD brings, which is why I still say DD is the best in the series. MK8D did add a great online battle mode though, which has become my preferred way to play the newest game, not racing.
Anyone ever play the arcade games? Dave and Busters near me has 4 units linked together and I really enjoy it. I wish they would port it or make it DLC or something, it's a shame so many people have not played it.
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Post by: spenoza on June 08, 2017, 04:24:46 AM
Well, as long as PCEWorks doesn't bootleg the unreleased Mario Kart prototype on PCE, I think we're safe, right?
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Post by: gex on June 08, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
MK64 has aged terribly, my friends made me play it for a few hours recently and it was abysmal.
DD is great. I love the two character system, as switching gives an extra layer of depth to gameplay. The fact there are some really great items that never made a return to the series makes DD a blast to go back to as well.
That's how I feel about MK64 too, but there's some people that swear by it. So it makes me second guess myself, thinking maybe I was missing something fundamental that made the game better. Like the mushroom powerups, I don't know if it's just me but I don't think they do anything really.. Besides give you a very minor forward dash. It was a huge graphical step forward from SNES, so maybe that and nostalgia have it ingrained into peoples memory as gold. But then I hear people talking about the superior controls/gameplay, so idk
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Post by: ClodBuster on June 08, 2017, 07:28:09 PM
It's all in the controls and building up power slide boosts*.
Plus, the ability to build a strong defense with keeping banana peels/trunks and turtle shells attached to the rear of your kart (hold Z button) or even firing rearwards into the oppenents behind you (Z + Down). Making use of items strategicly instead of fire-and-forget. Even banana peels on the road doesn't necessarily stop you if you know how to use the brake-trick.
There's a lot of deep gameplay mechanisms in MK64 that are uncovered the more you play it. Chances are that the majority of people have not experienced them yet.
*f*ck the nerd term "snaking", to me it will spell "power slide" for all eternity.
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Post by: spenoza on June 09, 2017, 08:53:48 AM
Well, as long as PCEWorks doesn't bootleg the unreleased Mario Kart prototype on PCE, I think we're safe, right?
mannnnnn, the behemoth that is now Nintendo would gang rape every dollar from PCEWorks. Fingers crossed for MK64 energy drinks and reproduction carts.
Inappropriate rape reference aside, I kinda hoped Konami would sue the crap out of Tobias over the PCE Works stuff, but lately I am ever disappointed in Konami. They can't even get defending their copyrights right. Can Konami do anything without screwing it up?
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Post by: tbone3969 on June 09, 2017, 08:55:15 AM
Well, as long as PCEWorks doesn't bootleg the unreleased Mario Kart prototype on PCE, I think we're safe, right?
mannnnnn, the behemoth that is now Nintendo would gang rape every dollar from PCEWorks. Fingers crossed for MK64 energy drinks and reproduction carts.
Inappropriate rape reference aside, I kinda hoped Konami would sue the crap out of Tobias over the PCE Works stuff, but lately I am ever disappointed in Konami. They can't even get defending their copyrights right. Can Konami do anything without screwing it up?
Nope.
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Post by: SuperDeadite on June 09, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
CTR>Mario Fart
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Post by: Gypsy on June 09, 2017, 11:31:51 AM
Anyone ever play the arcade games? Dave and Busters near me has 4 units linked together and I really enjoy it. I wish they would port it or make it DLC or something, it's a shame so many people have not played it.
I've only played GP1
It's nothing compared to MK8 but it's still fun. Especially since you can play as Pac-Man. Some of the items are pretty unique.
I think there's a way to play them and the F-Zero arcade game on Dolphin but it's definitely a little complicated.
Anyone ever play the arcade games? Dave and Busters near me has 4 units linked together and I really enjoy it. I wish they would port it or make it DLC or something, it's a shame so many people have not played it.
I've only played GP1
It's nothing compared to MK8 but it's still fun. Especially since you can play as Pac-Man. Some of the items are pretty unique.
I think there's a way to play them and the F-Zero arcade game on Dolphin but it's definitely a little complicated.
Anyone ever play the arcade games? Dave and Busters near me has 4 units linked together and I really enjoy it. I wish they would port it or make it DLC or something, it's a shame so many people have not played it.
I've only played GP1
It's nothing compared to MK8 but it's still fun. Especially since you can play as Pac-Man. Some of the items are pretty unique.
I think there's a way to play them and the F-Zero arcade game on Dolphin but it's definitely a little complicated.
With a gameshark I thought they made it so you could play AX on the GC?
You can play all the Nintendo arcade games on a soft modded Wii with Nintendont. I soft modded my Wii and currently have them installed via a USB thumb drive,
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 27, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
I really need to do that. My issue with Wii modification is the same issue I had with the same thing on PSP; by the time I get around to doing it %90 of the shady sites that show you how to do it have vanished and everyone I know who has done it has forgotten.
I can play Mednafen all day (not CDs of course, CDs are ALWAYS another layer away...always. ALWAYS.*) and I think I have some forum of MAME on there but that's it. I do remember copying all sorts of shit onto it but it would rarely launch. Homebrew Browser never worked right.
What I need is a guy who has done this 100 times to just do it for me.
* I bet that when a new PCE emulator comes out in 2037 (because Winblows Oh Yeah! 2038 broke the old one) there will still be a year wait and an extra technical step to play CDROM2 stuff.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: tbone3969 on June 27, 2017, 10:37:42 AM
Well I have softmodded about 10 Wiis and can help you out for sure. I recently walked someone step by step though the process with no issues. I also recently sold a softmodded Wii loaded up with games on a USB drive to a member on NA who was very satisfied. Hit me up if you want/need help. I will say that of all the modding I have done (Sega Saturn, PS2, DS, PSP, etc.) the Wii is one of the easiest.
Title: Re: "PCEWorks" finally bootlegs Magical Chase
Post by: crazydean on June 27, 2017, 12:46:07 PM