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Title: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 heats up
Post by: Xenogears on April 29, 2018, 03:11:26 PM

Hello Everybody,

I have a Problem beyond my knowledge. I´ve got a PC-Engine GT, fully recapped. When turned on, Q500 starts heating up slowly but really hot. Also the Coil L500 gets warm... I already replaced Q500, no change. I replaced Q900 and Q901 - no change.

What I found so far:

D501 / TP 500 should read about 30 Volt. It does not. Starts with about 20 Volt and slowly drops down to 11 V.  The same time it takes, Q500 to get warm.

TP 501 should read -24V. I do  not get this voltage anywhere. Does anyone know the beginning of that Voltage ?

Backlight turns on with the dark, slightly green apperance instead of a bright white light. Any clue would be glue to my shattered-to-pieces-brain. The Unit is just a few seconds away from a meeting with my Power-Bender 2K. :-)

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: ClodBuster on April 29, 2018, 07:51:58 PM

Sounds like there's a short somewhere. This would explain the voltage drop at high currents (excessive heat).

I had a similar issue with my Turbo Duo, please see this thread for more information:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17134.msg512999#msg512999

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: Xenogears on April 30, 2018, 08:16:36 AM

I measured all Day without even an Idea where to start. I swapped parts into a working one - these worked fine. Coils and and nearly every Testpoint has the same Value as the working one. All okay exept:

 approx. 30 V / -28 V / -18V are missing...maybe I could use the GT to light some Cigars with the Hot-Transistor... just turn on, use the Heating time to cut the Cigars ends...and GT is ready to fire...great Idea. I should immediately start smoking... :dance:

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: ClodBuster on April 30, 2018, 09:18:08 AM

Have another look at your GT and see if there are bare leads or component legs touching metal shields (if there are any), look for accidental shorts due to solder blobs shorting severeal conacts, etc. It might not be obvious in the first place, but you'll get behind it if you're persistant enough.

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: Xenogears on April 30, 2018, 10:45:22 PM

Okay----a short. If I measure the negative Pad of CC501 to GND I get 1,5 MOhm Resistance.
Compared to my working one - there is infinitive Resistance / no connectivity. Indikates a short. The Board is completely cleaned, no conductive Cap-Leak on it....cleaned beneath Board and Coils.

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: soop on April 30, 2018, 10:59:01 PM

Do you think it could be a blown resistor?

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: Xenogears on April 30, 2018, 11:34:06 PM

I measured em all... fine. Values checked - Fine. I will check again but if there is no other clue, I will rip off all the Parts of the PCB and just put in an LED Backlight. Thanks for your replies so far, I still need to understand, how 30 /-28 /18 V are created. Is it just the Transistors /Parts in the 5XX-Circuit ?

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 getting HOT
Post by: soop on April 30, 2018, 11:43:15 PM

That's beyond me, I'm afraid.  Maybe one of the experts can help

Title: Re: Turbo Express / PC-Engine GT missing 24 V, Q500 heats up
Post by: Xenogears on May 01, 2018, 10:24:39 PM

I assume the issue comes from the Coil-Circuit. The TP 500 drops the Voltage, same on TP 902 and TP 501. If one of the Professionals here could help, I will obey as a Remote-Puppet on the Multimeter doning EVERYTHING they suggest... post Results and give Updates... :pray: