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Re: A love letter about the Xboxone and the future of gaming
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2015, 08:47:52 AM »

You know, you can buy a Mercedes S class with radar guided cruise, night vision camera, a DI turbo V8, 9 speed automatic transmission, four wheel drive, and 16 air bags. It maybe the best car in the world and it is a machine that is orders of magnitude more complex than a stupid f*cking X Box and all you have to do to drive it is turn the f*cking key. "Set-up" from new takes literally seconds.

You have to turn a key? Jesus, what is this, 2004? :wink:

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Re: A love letter about the Xboxone and the future of gaming
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2015, 09:19:28 AM »
Of course the internal workings of a car are complex, but what relevance does that have?  It's a comparison that makes little sense, but if you insist on bullshit analogies, then regular maintenance (gas fill ups, oil changes, tires, etc.) is correlative to console software updates.  Both are required on a regular basis, neither is required every single time you use the machine, and the only substantive difference is that the dealership will have done all the initial delivery prep work for you.

In typical Zeta-hates-MS fashion, he's blowing things out of proportion.  Barring out of the box hardware failures or not having the IQ required to follow simple instructions, initial setup takes well under an hour, and much of that time will be while it downloads the update, time you can use to take a shit, make a sandwich, or go jerk off to your amiibos.

I'm trying to have a legit conversation here. It's a shame that this forum is so utterly hung up on bias detection, hunting for ulterior motives, past flame outs, etc that we can barely even have the time left to listen to what people are saying.

The comparison is valid. A XBone and an S Class both represent make or break consumer products that nobody actually needs from companies that represent the absolute top of their field. Both are hugely complex and cost billions to develop.

It occurs to me that maybe you guys aren't thinking about the car in the same way I do. I'm not really so much talking about tires and pistons and shit as much as I am the computerized side of it. These cars know who is driving them. They know how much they weigh and exactly what position every part of every seat is. They know where they are in the world. They have forward facing cameras that constantly scan the road ahead to DETECT LIFEFORMS so that you don't run into them. It does this with a combination of radar, infrared cameras, and very powerful software. The same system actually scans the road ahead for potholes and makes preemptive changes to its dampers to optimize for the impact. It can parallel park itself. It's instrument panel doesn't have real gauges at all but rather it displays computer graphics of gauges on two LCD displays of HD spec meaning that in addition to all of this its also doing the only thing an XBone or any game machine actually does, which is drive a display. Even leaving out the "car stuff", the totally unnecessary extraneous bullshit alone is far more impressive than any game machine, and yes they do it with voice control.

So why does one go with the push of a button and the other wastes your whole f*cking night? Simple. One audience has zero patience whatsoever and the other will put up with anything. That really is the only reason.

The game machine that has pissed me off more than anything was the PS3. Have you ever had to do a totally pointless update just to play a game you already have 30 trouble free hours into only to have the system totally lock up? Have you then patiently waited a whole day to see if it had recovered before yanking the plug and then discovering upon reboot that it feels it must rebuild its file system which takes eight motherf*cking hours if your HD is big enough? I could recap a whole f*cking Duo in that time!

The thing is, there are only 24 hours in a day. It's a finite thing. Even the smelly fat losers who live their lives for AAA modern gaming have this limitation. Therefore the stupidity has to, literally has to, stop getting worse. Otherwise in two or three generations we're going to have to own all three game machines just to be sure at least one of the f*ckers is able to run.

And of course they'll get ahold of themselves before then. Probably by the next generation they will have managed to make a much more complex machine that is also nowhere near as needy as the current stuff. The issue is that they should have been working on this now.

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Re: A love letter about the Xboxone and the future of gaming
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2015, 09:26:56 AM »
most of these issues are completely moot if you just de-network your PS3/PS4/etc. like me.

relevant updates are on the discs.   Unless some game changing fix was implemented in an update, f*ck it.

I don't feel the need to dick off online and share my experiences/trophies/bullshit with people I don't know or give a shit about.

I just put discs in and play the games. 

I only go online to download outfits for DOA5, or to see if there's a free game. 

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Re: A love letter about the Xboxone and the future of gaming
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2015, 10:18:13 AM »
most of these issues are completely moot if you just de-network your PS3/PS4/etc. like me.

relevant updates are on the discs.   Unless some game changing fix was implemented in an update, f*ck it.

I don't feel the need to dick off online and share my experiences/trophies/bullshit with people I don't know or give a shit about.

I just put discs in and play the games. 

I only go online to download outfits for DOA5, or to see if there's a free game. 



Yeah, I skip almost all updates if it is just "because".  I will update the PS3 to get on Netflix, but I've learned that the PS3 can take a million hours so I'll turn it on in advance to make sure there are no updates.  Does it suck, yes.  But it would suck a lot more to not have Netflix & Crunchyroll so I've learned how to make the best out of it and not let it impact my life. 
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Re: A love letter about the Xboxone and the future of gaming
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2015, 11:07:05 AM »
I'm trying to have a legit conversation here. It's a shame that this forum is so utterly hung up on bias detection, hunting for ulterior motives, past flame outs, etc that we can barely even have the time left to listen to what people are saying.

If it's not bias, I guess you're just 'special'.

The comparison is valid. A XBone and an S Class both represent make or break consumer products that nobody actually needs from companies that represent the absolute top of their field. Both are hugely complex and cost billions to develop.

It occurs to me that maybe you guys aren't thinking about the car in the same way I do. I'm not really so much talking about tires and pistons and shit as much as I am the computerized side of it. These cars know who is driving them. They know how much they weigh and exactly what position every part of every seat is. They know where they are in the world. They have forward facing cameras that constantly scan the road ahead to DETECT LIFEFORMS so that you don't run into them. It does this with a combination of radar, infrared cameras, and very powerful software. The same system actually scans the road ahead for potholes and makes preemptive changes to its dampers to optimize for the impact. It can parallel park itself. It's instrument panel doesn't have real gauges at all but rather it displays computer graphics of gauges on two LCD displays of HD spec meaning that in addition to all of this its also doing the only thing an XBone or any game machine actually does, which is drive a display. Even leaving out the "car stuff", the totally unnecessary extraneous bullshit alone is far more impressive than any game machine, and yes they do it with voice control.

Nobody is arguing that an S-Class isn't more complex, so I honestly don't know what you're rattling on about.

So why does one go with the push of a button and the other wastes your whole f*cking night? Simple. One audience has zero patience whatsoever and the other will put up with anything. That really is the only reason.

An S-Class won't waste your time with updates (other than optional trips to the dealer for reflashes) simply because it can't; it has nothing to do with what buyers of $100k cars will tolerate.  Want proof?  Look up how a Model S operates.

The thing is, there are only 24 hours in a day. It's a finite thing. Even the smelly fat losers who live their lives for AAA modern gaming have this limitation. Therefore the stupidity has to, literally has to, stop getting worse. Otherwise in two or three generations we're going to have to own all three game machines just to be sure at least one of the f*ckers is able to run.

And of course they'll get ahold of themselves before then. Probably by the next generation they will have managed to make a much more complex machine that is also nowhere near as needy as the current stuff. The issue is that they should have been working on this now.

As has already been stated multiple times, you can let the updates run in the background.  It works more or less the same as your computer or phone, rarely requiring user intervention and usually ready to run when you want it, so what's the big deal?  You go on and on about updates as if they take hours of time on a daily basis, and that's simply not true, not for system updates anyway; and now that games require full installs, I believe they update in the background too.



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Re: A love letter about the Xboxone and the future of gaming
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2015, 01:29:21 PM »
You should have at least compared the PCE to a locomotive... For shame.

edit: I was reading this thread as if it were about the PCE for some reason, wtf? :lol:
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