Author Topic: Supergrafx - is it worth it? (Read 3020 times)

vestcoat · « **Reply #30 on:** March 17, 2006, 06:04:58 PM »

Quote from: "rolins"

Quote from: "vestcoat"
so...anyone know if jap power supplies work here in the US?

There is no problem as long as your electrical outlets run at 110v. I live in a old apartment and none my electrical outlets will go no lower than 120v. I plugged my Duo-R in 120v outlet and weird things started to happen. Mainly redbook audio stops and I can hear some kind of grinding noise from the cd player. I bought a step down transformer 120v -> 100v and I never had anymore problems.

http://www.voltageconverters.com/go.asp?ic=VC100J

This is the step down transformer that I bought and it's inexpensive

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Thanks for the link Rolins, i ordered that converter yesterday

handygrafx · « **Reply #31 on:** March 17, 2006, 07:35:18 PM »

Quote from: "Keranu"

Haha, that GnG scan was hilarious, Paul.

indeed it was.

Arcade Daimakaimura - Ghouls 'n Ghosts

Megadrive/Genesis Daimakaimura - Ghouls 'n Ghosts

"THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEGADRIVE AND ARCADE GHOULS 'N GHOSTS"
THE MEGADRIVE VERSION IS A PIXEL-FOR-PIXEL COPY"

sunteam_paul · « **Reply #32 on:** March 17, 2006, 07:42:18 PM »

Looool

FM-77 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:07:16 AM »

Quote from: "handygrafx"

"THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEGADRIVE AND ARCADE GHOULS 'N GHOSTS"
THE MEGADRIVE VERSION IS A PIXEL-FOR-PIXEL COPY"

That's the same game?

handygrafx · « **Reply #34 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:13:10 AM »

Quote from: "Seldane"

That's the same game?

yeah. Daimakaimura aka Ghouls 'n Ghosts

top screen is Arcade, bottem screen is Megadrive-Genesis

the same area of both is shown.

but, uh, since they look exactly the same, because there are no differences, you couldn't tell them apart, could you? The Megadrive-Genesis replicates the Arcade, pixel-for-pixel, because komputer and video games magazine said so.

but wait, we have SEGA's assurance too

___________ ^

Black Tiger · « **Reply #35 on:** March 18, 2006, 10:35:19 AM »

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but yeah, the good old EGM, the 'real' EGM, by Sendai Publications, did over-rate the arcade translations of many games, including Genesis Super Monaco GP (it got two 10s) and AfterBurner II, among others.

I still remember EGM's first little preview of Street Fighter II.

It was a little box with one or two screen shots in the arcade coming soon section.

It said something about the graphics, etc were so good and it had cool 3D warping backgrounds that you'll only see in the arcade.

Within months, SFII was out on SNES with the warping floors and everything else fully intact.

Bonknuts · « **Reply #36 on:** March 18, 2006, 10:57:52 AM »

Well in comparison to the NES games/ports at the time, the MD conversions were near arcade perfect. The perspective of that time required the popular NES to part of the context.

Going from the NES to the MD/TG was amazing back then, it really felt like you were in utopia

I remember just staring... and staring... and staring at those gorgeous graphics of the arcades right there in my own room!

Black Tiger · « **Reply #37 on:** March 18, 2006, 11:27:17 AM »

Quote from: "Bonknuts"

Well in comparison to the NES games/ports at the time, the MD conversions were near arcade perfect. The perspective of that time required the popular NES to part of the context.

Going from the NES to the MD/TG was amazing back then, it really felt like you were in utopia I remember just staring... and staring... and staring at those gorgeous graphics of the arcades right there in my own room!

I remember doing the same thing with Super Mario Bros.

The wavy sound of the Genesis was also impressive at first, because even if it didn't always sound good, it at least sounded different or new(imagine if Sega had actually included the FM sound in the N.A. SMS).

The thing with the Genesis though, is that it wasn't such a huge leap over the SMS as it was over the NES. Had Nintendo not blackmailed its way to dominance of the market in North America, the Genesis wouldn't have seemed quite as impressive or arcade perfect when it came out(since I was the lone SMS gamer on the continent).

handygrafx · « **Reply #38 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:48:29 PM »

Quote from: "Black_Tiger"

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but yeah, the good old EGM, the 'real' EGM, by Sendai Publications, did over-rate the arcade translations of many games, including Genesis Super Monaco GP (it got two 10s) and AfterBurner II, among others.

I still remember EGM's first little preview of Street Fighter II.

It was a little box with one or two screen shots in the arcade coming soon section.

It said something about the graphics, etc were so good and it had cool 3D warping backgrounds that you'll only see in the arcade.

you mean this ?

it was in EGM #21 - April, 1991, page 46

Black Tiger · « **Reply #39 on:** March 18, 2006, 01:53:09 PM »

Quote from: "handygrafx"

Quote from: "Black_Tiger"
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but yeah, the good old EGM, the 'real' EGM, by Sendai Publications, did over-rate the arcade translations of many games, including Genesis Super Monaco GP (it got two 10s) and AfterBurner II, among others.

I still remember EGM's first little preview of Street Fighter II.

It was a little box with one or two screen shots in the arcade coming soon section.

It said something about the graphics, etc were so good and it had cool 3D warping backgrounds that you'll only see in the arcade.

you mean this ?

it was in EGM #21 - April, 1991, page 46

Exactly. All I knew for sure, was that it was a very blatent "Only an arcade" type quote.

And a year later we were playing it on a lowly 8-bit machine.

handygrafx · « **Reply #40 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:54:29 PM »

Quote from: "Bonknuts"

Well in comparison to the NES games/ports at the time, the MD conversions were near arcade perfect. The perspective of that time required the popular NES to part of the context.

Going from the NES to the MD/TG was amazing back then, it really felt like you were in utopia I remember just staring... and staring... and staring at those gorgeous graphics of the arcades right there in my own room!

compared to NES, yeah Genesis and TG16 were pretty incredible at the time... but even back then, I wasnt blind to the fact that the arcade conversions were still a long way off from being arcade-exact.

Bonknuts · « **Reply #41 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:07:36 PM »

Check it out, one of the SGX G&G programmers - http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~yav/prof/jobse.html#gg2

handygrafx · « **Reply #42 on:** March 18, 2006, 10:45:10 PM »

Quote from: "Bonknuts"

Check it out, one of the SGX G&G programmers - http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~yav/prof/jobse.html#gg2

hey that's kinda interesting! anything more like that ?

handygrafx · « **Reply #43 on:** March 19, 2006, 03:10:45 AM »

I uploaded some hastily-captured digital camera (thus, low framerate) videos of the and versions so you can compare the animation of the trees, and the rain.

check out the less-detailed parallax background behind the 'rope-tied stumpy' bridge where the tenticles are.
the parallax background looks like some pixelated trees, not nearly as vivid as the arcade or arcade-quality home versions.

SUPERGRAFX

not-colorful, un-detailed ^pixelated trees^ of the parallax background

ARCADE

nice parallax forest-swamp scene^ with lots of detail and color

equivalent scene from MegaDrive-Genesis

completely missing ^stumpy-roped bridge, ^missing parallax layer

Quote from: Keranu

By the way, did anyone else think the Super Grafx version looked cooler in this shot?

you can see the striking lack of detail in the SuperGrafx version compared to the arcade, and the severe lack of detail in the Genesis version:

SuperGrafx (

Arcade (

MegaDrive-Genesis ()

Keranu · « **Reply #44 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:28:20 PM »

Wow, very cool comparisons. Call me crazy, but I still kind think the backgrounds (and even flames, I just like that cartoon look) look a little cooler in the Super Grafx versions of 2-2. The Genesis version... well I don't even know if it should be compared

. Then again, it is pixel perfect.