Pier Solar may be released soon?!?

[Duo_R]

I am just glad they didn't delete the support for the CD in the 2nd print. That would have sucked.

[Arkhan]

Yeah that would have been a nice kick to the pills, lol.

[Mathius]

Joe, what program would I use to rip the Enhanced CD to a CD-R? I tried Windows Media Player but only 3 tracks showed up. I didn't even try to burn it thinking that I needed to use a different program. You gotta excuse me as I am slightly computer illiterate.

[Arkhan]

Joe, what program would I use to rip the Enhanced CD to a CD-R? I tried Windows Media Player but only 3 tracks showed up. I didn't even try to burn it thinking that I needed to use a different program. You gotta excuse me as I am slightly computer illiterate.

ALCOHOL 120%!

or, CDRwin if you're insane.

[Arkhan]

How does that CD not fit in a clam or cardboard box? 

I mean I already know it DOES fit, but if its <manual size, and that fits in the case....

duhrp

[Joe Redifer]

The CD cannot fit into a standard size MD clamshell case.  And that is what the second run is.  The CD obviously fits in a cardboard box because there it is in the image you posted.

The CD is not an audio CD.  It is a weird CD with streaming audio which runs through the Mega/Sega CD PCM chips.  It also has extra crap on there if you put it into your PC or whatever.  The three audio tracks are something else.  I will not do an ISO + MP3 even if it were an audio CD as I would never compromise the audio into MP3 form like some a$$hole.  Instead I will do a full ISO, uncompressed all the way and as one image.  I don't know what program on Windows I'll use.  Maybe Nero.  But I'm sure someone will beat me to it, so we'll see.

As to the people who were waiting for the "sure thing" I still don't see the mega-unfairness that seems to be the issue here.  The the package is different, cry me a river!  You don't get a pressed CD?  Like I said, it should be easy to download a fully working ISO image and burn your own CD-R which will have better reliability than the actual pressed disc.  I guess people will whine no matter what.  "Waaaa, they didn't make enough for everybody who wants it.  Oh wait, they're making more?  Oh shit.  What do I complain about now?  Waaaa it's not exactly the same as what everyone else got!"

And Arkhan, I know Zebbe and I know he wasn't doling out an official company statement with that line you quoted.  More than likely he was frustrated by those such as yourself who were complaining over the little things they felt entitled to.  I always knew Pier Solar was a sure thing since I know a lot of the guys who made it.  And if it was to never be, they would have refunded.  These are good peeps.  They are making the game available to those who want it.  The CD will not be hard to acquire.  Next to no Genesis manuals were in color.  It's the same price as an SFT game.  No reason to whine!  I just don't get it.  Oh, and CD games are super easy to pirate, that's why the game is not on CD.  Also, not everybody has a CD unit.  Everyone in the Turbo community has a CD unit because you NEED one to get most of the good games, but the MD platform is the opposite.

[Arkhan]

The CD cannot fit into a standard size MD clamshell case.  And that is what the second run is.  The CD obviously fits in a cardboard box because there it is in the image you posted.

Yes it can.  I'm sitting right here staring at a CD in paper sleeve sitting in a closed Altered Beast clamshell.  I already said that.  It fits in a castlevania bloodlines cardboard box too. No problemo. 

As to the people who were waiting for the "sure thing" I still don't see the mega-unfairness that seems to be the issue here.  The the package is different, cry me a river!  You don't get a pressed CD?  Like I said, it should be easy to download a fully working ISO image and burn your own CD-R which will have better reliability than the actual pressed disc.  I guess people will whine no matter what.  "Waaaa, they didn't make enough for everybody who wants it.  Oh wait, they're making more?  Oh shit.  What do I complain about now?  Waaaa it's not exactly the same as what everyone else got!"

Well, it is kinda bogus that they charge more and don't give the CD or the color manual.  Were already not getting the poster.  Did they give a serious reason as to why they didn't make the reprint as nice?

What sucks is, there was never a "release" copy.  It went from preorder to reprint.  Its a definite step down in comparison, for more money.  That's pretty complain-worthy.  We may not be entitled to the color manual, but we should be entitled to the CD, since it was a big bragging point for a long time.  It was kind of an expected part of the game.  CDs aren't hard to make, yes.  So why the shortage?

That's all I want to know.   It's going to get posted up and CD-R'd for sure, but still, why the shortage?  It should've been no big deal to overproduce and stock up on the CDs.

And Arkhan, I know Zebbe and I know he wasn't doling out an official company statement with that line you quoted.  More than likely he was frustrated by those such as yourself who were complaining over the little things they felt entitled to.  I always knew Pier Solar was a sure thing since I know a lot of the guys who made it.  And if it was to never be, they would have refunded.  These are good peeps.  They are making the game available to those who want it.  The CD will not be hard to acquire.  Next to no Genesis manuals were in color.  It's the same price as an SFT game.  No reason to whine!  I just don't get it.  Oh, and CD games are super easy to pirate, that's why the game is not on CD.  Also, not everybody has a CD unit.  Everyone in the Turbo community has a CD unit because you NEED one to get most of the good games, but the MD platform is the opposite.

Not everyone is buddy buddy with the team, and so not everyones going to be willing to take blind leaps of faith especially with how preordering seems to work in the homebrew world..  Its a simple fact, people don't trust people they don't know.  I'm sure they are good peeps, but not everyone is that relaxed.

I don't see this as whining... since I, and others all gladly forked over the 45$ for the new run and can't wait to get it and play it.   I just think it sucks the way the second print run turned out, with no really good reason why.  Everyone seems disappointed. 

I think there would be less complaining if there was a good reason as to why.... and maybe if the preorderers weren't being such twats about it.

YOU DIDN'T FORK THE MONEY OVER AND WAIT 6 YEARS, SO YOU DON'T DESERVE IT.

GET A TIME MACHINE! GO REWRITE HISTORY! GO BUY ONE ON EBAY, THATS WHAT WE SHOULDVE CHARGED FOR IT!1!!1

I'm pretty sure a "We're sorry the 2nd run is different and here are good reasons why, etc. etc."  would solve alot of the problem.

if 35$ a pop invested by the 2400 preorderers covered the fancyass copy, wtf are they doing charging 45$ to reprint a plain version.  That's what I really seriously want to know. 

They said they weren't in this for a profit, so whats the deal?

[Arkhan]

Im sorry I just had to post this

To all you whinny noobie douche bags.

You're out of your f*cking mind.

Fonzie live in f*cking China for a year without a job using his own saved money to make this game a reality.

The pre order money didnt even cover the full cost of production.

People where allowed to buy multiple copies because they deseperately need money for devolopment. a$$holes doutbed it would come out and didnt wanna waste $35. As if 35 dollar even matters.

Half you shits didnt just find out about it. You where the ones who where to scared to put some faith in them in the first place and now your punished.

$45? A rip off? Get real it comes with free world wide shipping? 45 is still a break even cost.

Think of Bagger Prince and Legend of Wu Kong. Those games suck compared to this and didnst cost nearly as much to make. They are $55 plus shipping.

Get you shit together new guys and realize these basics.

1) They dont owe you shit
2) You dont deserve shit
3) If you dont like it you dont have to buy it
4) They still arent making shit for profit off this game


This is what all the devolopers wanna tell you but wont say.

That's some str8 hood shit right there.  Bagger Prince sounds like a grocery store RPG.


and then

and it was mentioned numerous times and agreed on by the team that if there was a second run it would be not as full of extras.

AS FULL OF EXTRAS.

It's not full of any extras unless you count stickers.  Oh boy.

One would assume extras would mean the reprint is no poster+stickers.  Those are what seems "extra" in all honesty.

Oh well.

I'd register and say this crap over there, but it's kinda lame to make a new forum account just to fuel the fire.  They'll stumble across this stuff over here eventually.  Someones bound to go HEY THEY'RE COMPLAINING AT PCEFX.


So far the reasons given are "tough shit, shoulda preordered" and "we didnt want to"

I´d like to see any other team sharing info with the customers as we do.

*waves* 

[TheClash603]

It seems the CD didn't work, the developers are a little ashamed that the most flaunted part of the production is broke, and that is why they are not including it.  Cart sound is better anyway to me.

They tried and f*cked up, so now we move on.  This seems pretty obvious to me, and the lack of reason is they don't want to admit they goofed.

[Joe Redifer]

There is no CD shortage.  In case you missed it earlier in my post, the pressed CD doesn't work so well and CD-Rs work better.  The CD works, but not well in all machines.  In case you missed those last two sentences, I can post it again.  There is no shortage.

Here is the ISO (not from me):

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T47VTT2X

Now stop it. 

Also, Arkhan, your game is nowhere near the level of Pier Solar.  How many people even know about it?  I visit these forums every day and I barely even know about it.

[Arkhan]

There is no CD shortage.  In case you missed it earlier in my post, the pressed CD doesn't work so well and CD-Rs work better.  The CD works, but not well in all machines.  In case you missed those last two sentences, I can post it again.  There is no shortage.

So they have the CDs, they're just not including them since they're broken?   and charging more?  Ok then.

Also, Arkhan, your game is nowhere near the level of Pier Solar.  How many people even know about it?  I visit these forums every day and I barely even know about it.

Thank you captain obvious.

Thats because you don't pay attention too much I don't think.  You missed out on free Insanity's.

Also, gimme 6 years and a huge team and I'm sure Insanity would have been a bigger, different, better game.

Its a 1 man college project turned finished game, done in <12 months.  Wtf were you expecting.  That was a really pointless jab.

At least I tackled the PSG beast, damn well.

[Duo_R]

Ark did u ever get my PM about insanity? Love to check it out.

[Arkhan]

Ark did u ever get my PM about insanity? Love to check it out.

yeah! no worries, is coming.

[Joe Redifer]

You missed out on free Insanity's.

No I didn't, you said you'd send me one!

That was a really pointless jab.

If it was a pointless jab, then it was pointless to compare yourself to them.

So they have the CDs, they're just not including them since they're broken?

Would you like a broken CD?

and charging more?

I really don't have much of a response to this and I can understand the reason for this particular complaint.  However it has been continuously said that Pier Solar was being sold AT COST.  In fact I imagine they overran their costs a bit.  This may be an attempt to make up for it and gain actual funds to make another game.

Also, ignore the user Clessy or whatever his name is on the Pier Solar boards.  Even I think he is a self-important a-hole.

[Arkhan]

No I didn't, you said you'd send me one!

Yeah.  I know. But, you missed the first huge LOL FREEBIE post/stuff, lol.   and then you were like HEY GIMME FREE GAME sarcastically, not even realizing I already had, to like 15 people, haha

If it was a pointless jab, then it was pointless to compare yourself to them.

Comparing the games themselves was not done.  Comparing the smoothness/turn out of publishing was, sort of.   It's f*ckall easy to press CDs, and it sucks they got a bad batch.   They were flaunting their shit for awhile, so I really expected better, I guess.  Quality wise, I guess they outdid SFT, but as far as meeting their boasting, I think they kinda slipped up.   They should get with their presser and bitch about it.  If the master disc worked fine and the pressed ones don't, they should be entitled to a rerun, or a refund of pressing costs.

I basically did a "do it out of my garage" and peddle it at conventions sort of thing and it turned out just fine.  They got the cart part down great, and botched the simple as hell part. 

Would you like a broken CD?

Yes, actually.  Considering they're charging 10 extra dollars and not even packing them into a case they will fit into.   It'd be nice to at least have the artwork, even if the CD is broken/dodgy.  WTF do they have to lose?  Coasters for their workspace?

I really don't have much of a response to this and I can understand the reason for this particular complaint.  However it has been continuously said that Pier Solar was being sold AT COST.  In fact I imagine they overran their costs a bit.  This may be an attempt to make up for it and gain actual funds to make another game.

Also, ignore the user Clessy or whatever his name is on the Pier Solar boards.  Even I think he is a self-important a-hole.

Well if it's being sold AT COST, and the new run is less quality, sans CD, even if they kept the price at 35$, they'd be making extra money, right?

and yeah, Clessy is a huge bag o dicks, and should really stop.


Its kind of funny now that you look at it.

The preorder dicks are like

YOU DONT DESERVE THE BROKEN CD, WE WAITED 6 YEARS SO ONLY WE DESERVE THE BROKEN CD.



If the CDs werent gimpy, is it safe to assume they WOULD have been packed into the reprint, and wed just be missing out on the colored manual, and poster?