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Title: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 07:10:15 AM
I grew up a PC gamer. At around age 6 I started playing video games. I first played games on an Atari 800/810 and a 386 DOS PC. I did not get a regular Nintendo until around 1992 and a Super Nintendo and Genesis until around 1994. So basically I grew up playing PC games, and have always like PC gaming a bit better than console gaming.
Some reasons why I like PC gaming better than console gaming:
1. Graphics: PC games always seemed to have sharper, more detailed graphics than most of their contemporary consoles 2. Sound: Give me a Sound Blaster 16 or give me death! 3. Controls: I personally thing the Mouse Keyboard input is the best out there! FPS with a controller? :x 4. Strategy games: PCs seem to be king of strategy games like Civilization and Heroes of Might and Magic. Console versions of such games just dont stack up
So what do you guys think?
Edit: I should point that I do love console games too, so dont take this post the wrong way :twisted:
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 07:23:43 AM
Graphics i'm divided on. some classic 16 bit games looked amazing compared to comparable games on the pc. Overall though the pc had the edge. Sound once again i'm divided on. it depends on the time frame. Some early 90's pc games had pretty good sound, alot of them had basic sound. It was not until SB became the standard that everything improved. Mouse and keyboard rule for every fps on the planet. gamepad rules for most platformers, its a toss up. Pc hands down destroys any console for strategy games.
I was into classic and pc gaming at the same time so i got the best of both worlds overall.
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Post by: Tatsujin on August 12, 2012, 07:26:17 AM
arcades and consoles, nothing else :D
PC = WC :D
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: vestcoat on August 12, 2012, 07:26:22 AM
PC gaming IS better, which is exactly why I prefer consoles. I had some brief bouts of PC gaming in the Nineties and it wasn't good: I pulled all-nighters playing Civilization, weeks of my life evaporated playing Might and Magic III and multi-player Quake, and, when I played my first online game (Graal), I logged forty hours a week for two months until I almost lost my job.
So, yeah - I've learned to stick to consoles, and old ones at that.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 07:27:24 AM
I suppose I am biased as Strategy games are probably my favorite genre.
:)
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 07:27:50 AM
Not many people know of graal. i liked it better when everything looked like the zelda characters. its to bad he had to change it.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: vestcoat on August 12, 2012, 07:33:05 AM
Haven't checked it out in a long time. I played it Winter '99-00.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
PC gaming IS better, which is exactly why I prefer consoles. I had some brief bouts of PC gaming in the Nineties and it wasn't good: I pulled all-nighters playing Civilization, weeks of my life evaporated playing Might and Magic III and multi-player Quake, and, when I played my first online game (Graal), I logged forty hours a week for two months until I almost lost my job.
So, yeah - I've learned to stick to consoles, and old ones at that.
Hahaha!
I know when I was in elementary school, I didn't have to get to school til almost 9am. I'd wake up around 6 and play Civ for a few hours before school each day.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
Haven't checked it out in a long time. I played it Winter '99-00.
its still around, but looks nothing like the original
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 12, 2012, 07:36:14 AM
Much like Herc, I played both. In the 90's, I had a NES, Genesis, and a 386 DOS machine. Once VGA and SVGA became standard, top-tier PC games definitely had the edge graphics-wise over console games. But one thing to remember is that here in the states we were playing our consoles on TVs using RF or composite. A lot of my old games look much better now that I can see their full detail in RGB.
Sound-wise, again I'd give the edge to the PC. I had, and still have, a Gravis Ultrasound. This allowed me to play games like X-Wing using sound blaster emulation for sound effects, while simultaneously using Roland emulation for music.
As far as gameplay is concerned, it just totally depended on what kind of games you liked. This is the reason that I can't say that one is better than the other. The PC was AWESOME for simulation games, strategy games, FPSes, adventure games, and American-style RPGs. To me, consoles were better for platformers, action games (like beat em ups and shooters), arcade ports, Japanese RPGs, etc.
So my point is, how can any gamer live without both?
Chris
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 07:39:44 AM
yea pretty much, and i will give you my address to send that gravis to me :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 07:49:09 AM
yea pretty much, and i will give you my address to send that gravis to me :mrgreen:
No I want it! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
On the note of computer game music, I've been doing some recording. The SB16 definitely wins out over the Rolands for this game. Plus with SB you get digitized effects which are lost when using either Roland sound module
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Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 07:53:23 AM
sound blaster did not make truly great sound until the awe32. What made SB so good was its industry standard compatability that was sorely needed in dos games. Its not that SB sound was bad, it wasn't, jut not great. Digital on the SB was pretty good, but MIDI was terrible. That gravis on the other hand was light years beyond most other cards with the exception of commercial grade stuff.
(we don't need another midi is not actually sound, interface, bla bla bla whatever. other threads have been derailed by this. "midi sound" is what the industry referred to it as, and thats how people know how to refer to it.)
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Tatsujin on August 12, 2012, 07:56:10 AM
I was the 100% arcade guy, so a PC was the absolute no-go for me. period :)
i rather still had an amiga and c64 around me than a pc.
no offense here :)
sure played some stuff on my friends pcs, but it could never appeal to me. my best memories still going to alley cat and captain cosmic..lol.. and some larry and indy jones stuff.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 08:01:21 AM
I know for a long time we had this Ensoniq Soundscape card, which was supposed to be fantastic but had some bad compatibiliy issues, so it got dumped in favor of a SB16/AWE32.
Gravis Ultrasound is something I've heard and would love to get someday!
Lol tats :) I'd lump C64 and Amigas in with PC gaming... they're personal computers are they not?
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 08:01:36 AM
I don't blame you, the amiga and commodore were worthy platforms. i had a commie at the same time as my consoles and pc's. Never owned and amiga though, wish i did.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 12, 2012, 08:12:48 AM
Hey Blue,
I own the Gravis Ultrasound Archive (http://www.gravisultrasound.com/), and occasionally I get emails from people trying to sell me their old GUSes. I'll let you know the next time I get an opportunity to get another one.
Chris
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Lilgrafx on August 12, 2012, 08:20:38 AM
I've always grown up with consoles and the only PC games I ever really played were Civilization and StarCraft. PC games are definetly and unexplored frontier, but from the outside looking in I feel like PC games lack the charm consoles do.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
well, in a way your correct, but you really can't compare then. I can see were your coming form though. you really should try out alot of the classic pc games, there are so many worth playing.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
I had two Gravis Ultrasounds, the PnP ones that were co-produced with AMD. Sold them both. To be honest the cards don't hold their own with the AWE. Unless you are really determined you may not get the Soundblaster support going very easily, and most mid 90's Dos titles that support the Ultrasound support the AWE anyway. You can get the midi music stuff going in Star Wars X-Wing, etc using the AWE also rather easily.
As far as having to choose between the two, I'd rather not. I cant imagine just sticking solely to pc gaming, or solely to consoles. I think they complement each other rather well. I am a die hard when it comes to pc gaming though, I admit. I collect pc hardware and games both. I have somewhere between 30-40 graphics cards, and the same amount in soundcards also, both ISA and pci, and I have quite a large collection of AMD stuff.
I'm not going to list what all I play on pc, but I do have pics of the games I keep in my bedroom for easy access:
Link to a high res pic of the jewel case stuff so you can see individual titles: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/customs/DSCN5644.jpg
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 01:15:49 PM
i'm an amd whore for good reason. just love the quality of there stuff for a reasonable price. at risk of sounding like a kiss ass though, i'm completely on par with professor on pc gaming. I thought i knew alot, and he has already taught me quite abit more than i ever knew. classic pc gaming is great, but its apples and oranges to consoles. you really need both.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: turbokon on August 12, 2012, 01:27:16 PM
Console games for me. PC games I've only played was oregon trail and number muncher on the Mac.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Black Tiger on August 12, 2012, 01:50:14 PM
I never got a computer until around 1999. I got to try computer games now and then and PC was good for a few specific genres like King's Quest games and various sim games. But console/arcade style games are in a completely different class and a much better one for my tastes. A huge part of it is that Japanese developers were pushing arcade/console games. I'm also a fan of the kinds of 2D games designed around gamepads. I don't like 3D gameplay and overly complex RPGs. My favorite genre is JRPGs like early Final Fantasy/Phantady Star games.
I appreciate the art of games so much more than tech specs and would rather have an NES and SMS with their libraries than the most powerful computer in the world and every PC/Mac game ever.
I keep planning to get Steam and play through so many computer games I can't run on current PC's, but console games will always be my favorite.
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Post by: kazekirifx on August 12, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
Sega Genesis is way better than Super Nintendo. Mortal Kombat has the blood code.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 02:04:22 PM
kaze, the console fanboy thread is in another......well.........thread. this is the pc vs console thread. not the "i will only play this console and not another cause i have no clue thread"
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 02:07:26 PM
I never got a computer until around 1999. I got to try computer games now and then and PC was good for a few specific genres like King's Quest games and various sim games. But console/arcade style games are in a completely different class and a much better one for my tastes. A huge part of it is that Japanese developers were pushing arcade/console games. I'm also a fan of the kinds of 2D games designed around gamepads. I don't like 3D gameplay and overly complex RPGs. My favorite genre is JRPGs like early Final Fantasy/Phantady Star games.
I appreciate the art of games so much more than tech specs and would rather have an NES and SMS with their libraries than the most powerful computer in the world and every PC/Mac game ever.
I keep planning to get Steam and play through so many computer games I can't run on current PC's, but console games will always be my favorite.
The mid-90s on up actually became a decent time period for pc gaming if you like arcade ports. Many arcade games started being released for pc at very high quality. This includes Daytona USA, T-Mek, Primal Rage, Sega Touring Car, Sega Rally, Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter 1 and 2, In the Hunt, Darius Gaiden, Samurai Showdown 2, Fatal Fury 3, Mortal Kombat 1 through 4, War Gods, Bio Freaks, Hydro Thunder, Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, X-Men COTA, SF Alpha 1 and 2, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo, Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble series, RayStorm and Raycrisis, Area 51, WWF Arcade Game, NBA Jams, House of the Dead 2, Guilty Gear titles, etc. In Korea Mega Enterprise also ported over many NeoGeo titles to pc which can be purchased online easy.
Many console titles also made it over with superior products on the PC, like Resident Evil 1-3, Re-Loaded, Rayman, Panzer Dragoon, Hundred Swords, Grandia II, Destruction Derby, Wipeout XL, Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2, Silent Hill 2 on up, etc. It just keeps getting better and better for pc as the years have gone by. Now most multi-platform titles released are far superior on pc hands down, and you can use 360 gamepads for most of them too if you need that controller fix.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
This is great guys :) Im getting nostalgic of having these sort of discussions with friends back in the day!
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 02:08:40 PM
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 12, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Personally, I was always more of an arcade person until arcades died.
When PC gaming meant stuff like Deja Vu and Fairy Tale Adventure and Pool of Radiance I was somewhat into them. When 3D and Windows 95 came about and it became more about stuff like Decent and Doom I lost interest. Everything was brown and ugly and depressing. To me video game=Japanese made so I wanted to play Mario and Street Fighter and Final Fantasy and stuff like that and PCs just didn't have it. Once PC gaming lost its quirkiness in the mid-90s I became even less interested.
Now PC gaming basically means casual shit for grandmas, World or Warcraft, and games where you kill arabs. While all sorts of cool stuff does exist on the fringes of the PC scene, the focus is on some of the worst shit ever made. We went from, say, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where the game seemed limitless, to farming shit and popping off dune 'coons with M16s. Its...really sad.
However, to be honest, I'm not that into the current gen of console gaming either so...I'm not sure where I stand on any of this. Overall my favorite games are consoles and arcade boards from 1989-1997. Late 8-bit through the early 32-bit 2D stuff.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 02:28:40 PM
Basically you stand uninformed, and thats fine and all, but you are making it out to be stereotypical based upon a small fraction oif what goes on in pc gaming. A few FPS and facebook games don't define pc gaming. There are tons of RPGs, action titles, RTS, arcade and racing sim titles on Pc, none of which are for casual gamers who only get their fix on PopCap games or Farmville, and non of which are "on the fringe".
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Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 02:30:52 PM
amen brother. the number of quality pc games at the time are mind numbing. were the hell you get games about killing arabs is beyond me. the whole conspiricay theory, screw the man point of view is getting old. play some good games and enjoy them. if your that angry about so much, how the hell do you even wake up in the morning?
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 02:38:33 PM
I'll agree that about 1990 to 1995 was a real golden era for PC games... though there were some greats between 95 and 2000 too. (Civilization 2 and Heroes of Might and Magic 2 and 3, I'm looking at you!)
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 12, 2012, 02:41:11 PM
So Call of Duty must have just been a dream I had once. Sorry.
But seriously, I did used to work at an EB. It was quiet a few years ago, but had a pretty good idea what mainstream PC gaming was because I was selling the shit every day. People come in and say, "I want the game where you can kill Saddam Husain", or "When is the newest Grand Theft Auto coming to Windows?". Those exact words over and over and over again. It was extremely rare for me to sell anything other than The Sims or some sort of bullshit fps war game. Occasionally you'd get the historical sim or flight sim people, but those guys were pretty rare.
I admit that I am uninformed about PC gaming, sure, but I do remember when games like Quarterstaff and Wing Commander and Battle Chess and such were the biggest sellers. Those days are long gone, that was my entire point.
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Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
well you got me on call of duty, but most games like it, allowed you to play as the arabs or anyone else for that matter. Hense battlefield 2 and three. they were not designed to hate just one country. if you play the multiplayer aspect of said games, you would know that. in battlefield 2, the mec weapons are some of the best in the game. i have been playing bf2 everyweekend for 6 years on lan, and i can tell you, games like it are not a propaganda tool against the arabs, no matter how much you want them to be.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 03:49:11 PM
COD has more going on then "killing arabs". For that matter, which COD would you even be referring to anyway? There is more then one, and most of them have to do with before the Gulf War period on up. Many are based around World War 2 and Black Ops was dedicated to the Cold War. The Modern Warfare titles involve more then just Americans and "arabs" as you put it. I honestly don't consider pc gamers as the people who shopped at EB games in the early 2000s. Thats when I jumped in on pc gaming, and when EB was still around pc gamers didn't really shop there much, and the pc game selection was relegated to a few small racks. During the 90s EB did actually cater to Pc gamers though quite well, I remember their huge game selections and them selling pc hardware, but they catered to all the consoles about too and felt more like a specialty store for gamers and less like the game section at a Wal- Mart.
After 2000 it was more for casual people who just bought whatever, or people who did not have access to online shops, Newegg, Best Buy, Comp USA, or Circuit City. EB games stopped being a "legit" game store for real gamers around the time the Dreamcast experienced its demise anyway. The Gamestop buyout was just the nail in the coffin for them.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 12, 2012, 03:58:48 PM
Best selling games of 2011 according to Amazon:
Physical (platforms are combined, but collector's editions are not included) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Just Dance 3 Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Battlefield 3 Batman: Arkham City Madden NFL 12 Portal 2 Just Dance 2 Gears of War 3 FIFA Soccer 12
Digital Deus Ex: Human Revolution Battlefield 3 The Sims 3 Battlefield Bad Company 2 Sid Meir's Civilization V Dead Island Total War: Shogun 2 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 Crysis 2 Dragon Age 2"
Again, I'm not saying that cool stuff isn't out there, I'm just saying that it doesn't exactly top the charts.
An analog: in 1987 Iron Maiden was widely known in the US with number one singles and such. They still exist, sure, and they still kick ass (I just saw them in concert a few weeks ago) but most of today's 16 year old kids might recognize the name, and that's about it.
The people who actually buy PC games are, for the most part, not buying Cave Story or I Want to Be the Guy, or whatever the cool stuff is.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Wow! I own ONE of those games. Civ 5 hehe. Technically I also own MW3 but on PS3... which is mega fail IMO.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 04:19:25 PM
The people who actually buy PC games are, for the most part, not buying Cave Story or I Want to Be the Guy, or whatever the cool stuff is.
The actual pc gamers out there are not all buying Cave Story or I want to be the Guy because they are not compelling pc games. Most people who game on Pc like to invest their time in games that satisfy both visually and story wise and last longer then a few hours. They want to become submersed in whats going on. No ones going to waste time buying a triple or quad core pc with a decent graphics card, steering wheel, flight stick, etc just to solely play freeware or digital purchase throw backs to the 8 and 16-bit periods. That would be retarded. Its nice that they are there, to be extras to compliment things, but that in no way defines "cool" pc gaming, unless you're a hipster or something maybe.
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Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 04:35:25 PM
Zeta, your examples do not explain your killing arabs theory. plenty of high quality games have come out that have nothing to do with your bizzare fight "the man" theories. this whole thread is about early pc games vs console games of the same period. if your past the 90's, and you are, then you have missed the point, or are making a statement irreleveant to the original thread. not every thread is this forum is based on a conspirecy theory. play some games, have some fun, then make an intelligent statement based on said games. if you can't then your in the wrong thread. not everything has to do with zionist, anti isrealii, screw the man, corrupt establishment, who gives a f*ck mentality.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Zeta, your examples do not explain your killing arabs theory. plenty of high quality games have come out that have nothing to do with your bizzare fight "the man" theories. this whole thread is about early pc games vs console games of the same period. if your past the 90's, and you are, then you have missed the point, or are making a statement irreleveant to the original thread. not every thread is this forum is based on a conspirecy theory. play some games, have some fun, then make an intelligent statement based on said games. if you can't then your in the wrong thread. not everything has to do with zionist, anti isrealii, screw the man, corrupt establishment, who gives a f*ck mentality.
That too, he is ignoring the fact that you are referring to the 90s and classic gaming and that is what the thread is about. His sole focus seems to be on modern gaming, and even on that he is wrong anyway.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
his sole focus is on anything that involves a conspiracy theory. if you told him you were M&M's he would tell you that it was designed by "the man" to hold down the minorities while the zionist, isreali butt kissers were holding hollywood hostage and making proganda films. i have no idea why he can't just take a breather and enjoy games, and consoles for what they are. not everything is a front against "the man"
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Post by: Jibbajaba on August 12, 2012, 04:57:40 PM
Maybe I'm confused. Are we talking about consoles vs. PC *now*, or back in the 90's?
Chris
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Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
what is the matter with people that they can't read the op's thread. the op is referring to a 386 and soundblaster audio, if you don't know what that is, look it up before you comment. if you can't, dont comment. its not against you, its against people in general. if you want to be part of a topic, know what your talking about, if you dont', read and learn before you do
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 12, 2012, 05:11:19 PM
Maybe I'm confused. Are we talking about consoles vs. PC *now*, or back in the 90's?
Chris
It was aimed at talking about the stuff from the 90's. Zeta took it off topic when he decided to shift gears and focus on "modern gaming" and "arabs".
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Arkhan on August 12, 2012, 05:16:04 PM
When I was gaming in the 90s, I just played games.
Maybe it's because I was < 12 years old the entire time...
but all I cared about was playing games. There were days I'd sit and play Sega Genesis til I couldn't see straight...
and then the next day I'd be sitting on the computer playing Ultima VII or some f*ckin goony freeware game
or that f*cking game "Sapiens".
That game was weird as f*ck.
I was never partial to anything, except for the Turbo Grafx. It's always been my "goto" system when I feel like playing stuff. I pick it above everything.
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Post by: Deletion on August 12, 2012, 05:17:54 PM
In the 90s, I played both equally. I loved the Genesis for the Madden, NHL and Streets of Rage games, still played the NES for Baseball Stars and Crystalis, and spent hours on Command & Conquer, Dune 2, SimCity 2000, Theme Hospital, and Warcraft 2 on the PC.
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Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
thus cementing the point that quality gamers had a mix of all that was available and did not suffer from fanboyism.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 05:32:19 PM
I should have been more clear that I was referring to pc gaming in the classic sense.
On the point that zeta is making... I think it boils down to a real degradation of the quality of gaming that is on offer nowadays. Sure there are some new games that blow us away, but for every one of those titles there are dozens of crapware and shovelware titles to go with them.
Nowadays I seem to play a mix of classic pc and classic console games, but I know as kid i definitely gravitated towards pc games.
All good points folks!
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Jibbajaba on August 12, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
I think it boils down to a real degradation of the quality of gaming that is on offer nowadays.
Yup. Not that there wasn't a fair share of shovelware back in the day, but it's getting increasingly difficult for me to get excited about new game releases these days.
Chris
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 12, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
The only new game Im excited for right now is the new Xcom game by Firaxis. Im only interested because its supposed to retain the feel of the original Xcom Ufo Defense. Hopefully they wont disappoint!
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: GohanX on August 12, 2012, 06:06:56 PM
I was primarily a console gamer as a kid, but my parents finally got me a PC around 95 or so, so I played both. They were each good for different reasons. PC games were larger in scope, and generally more complicated than a console would allow, but simpler console style games were generally lacking. Ports of console games may have been prettier and higher resolution, but they often had crippling bugs as a result of being a rushed port.
Around the time the Saturn stopped getting support in the US I pretty much went to PC gaming full time until the release of the Dreamcast. After a while, awesome PC exclusive titles that interested me were getting fewer, and I decided the constant video card upgrades were no longer worth it. I think the last PC game I bought retail was Max Payne. My current PC doesn't even have a real video card in it.
I do miss space flight sims. If EA ever got the old Origin team back together for another Wing Commander, you'd better believe a new computer would be on order built around the recommended specs of the new game.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 12, 2012, 06:10:11 PM
yea, the current state of pc gaming is grimm. classic pc gaming is excellent, but has fewer and fewer fans. their is plenty of room for consoles and pc alike, but that goes back to my concept of being a true gamer. real gamers understand that quality games can be found everywhere, not just on thier system of choice. most people in these forums get that, their are a few that have no concept.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Tatsujin on August 12, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
Lol tats :) I'd lump C64 and Amigas in with PC gaming... they're personal computers are they not?
they were kinda called personal computers, but did things in a quite different way and style than the "PCs" we're talking about here. for me, amiga and c64 had much more common with consoles than with PCs, but in fact they were somewhere between :)
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 12, 2012, 08:16:43 PM
his sole focus is on anything that involves a conspiracy theory. if you told him you were M&M's he would tell you that it was designed by "the man" to hold down the minorities while the zionist, isreali butt kissers were holding hollywood hostage and making proganda films. i have no idea why he can't just take a breather and enjoy games, and consoles for what they are. not everything is a front against "the man"
In all seriousness, what the f*ck are you talking about? What conspiracy theory? Where did I mention "the man"? Its one thing for me to have a disagreement/flameout with someone on the internet because of a difference of opinion, but I honestly think you might just be too stupid to understand what I'm saying.
In my initial post, which is still there, go ahead and read it, basically said that I was into gaming on computers in the 80s when the stuff was full of character. I mention that as we entered the 3D era we lost sight of things like Full Throttle and Dungeon Master and Leisure Suit Larry and things got boring and brown and action oriented. Then I mentioned that as of today PC gaming is typified by WoW, fps, and really idiotic shit like The Sims or Farmville.
So where am I talking about conspiracies here? Who is "the man" in this explanation of three distinct eras of PC gaming? Either explain these statements or please shut the f*ck up. I can take any sort of criticism that is valid, but your shit makes no sense. If you think I'm a grumpy killjoy, fine, I can see that, but you are the one that keeps bringing up Israel in this thread, not me. I haven't mentioned it until just now. Are you f*cking retarded?
In the days of C64, Amiga, etc games had a life to them that you really couldn't find on consoles. Most people considered PC games to be more older gamers, those with a sense of humor and maybe looking for something a bit more intelligent that jumping on turtles 100,000 times. I don't see this sort of thing as being well represented in todays popular PC games, its almost completely extinct even, and I posted a sales chart to back up this notion.
There was nothing in the OP that explained a specific era of PC gaming. It just said:
Question: Which do you prefer? Console Gaming PC Gaming I like all games! I dont like games I like Frungy
No mention of a specific era. I explained that I was into them when they were (in my opinion) cool, but not now.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Ji-L87 on August 12, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
Oh man, I used to be all about PC gaming. I did have a Mega Drive at the time and later a Dreamcast, but PC always seemed to come out superior in the end. In recent years, however, I've come to appreciate the (more or less) hassle-free world of console gaming. Also, I just like many of the games better. Before I got back into console games and bought a PS2, I wished for all the cool console games to get ported to PC - I could feel I was missing out. Actually, buying that PS2 was probably one of my best gaming related purchases ever, GAME and other stores was getting rid of their PS2 games for cheap at the time as well - one hell of a gateway drug for sure! :lol:
So, I think console gaming wins. PC gaming is flexible and technically superior, but installing games can be a chore and revisiting gaming history on the PC usually presents some issues. Then there's also the fact that the game you just bought most likely will need to have it's settings tweaked with to run perfectly. Some of my friends, who like me and other kids back then, grew up on PC games and with who I've had smaller LAN-parties with when I was younger, have switched to Xboxes instead. Can't blame them really.
Also, in my case, becoming this huge anime/manga-nerd also made me more interested in consoles. Not sure the consoles get more games than PC over there, but they get the most interesting ones. PC remains a haven for visual novels and MMOs but most MMOs are uninteresting and I liked visual novels better when they were called "dating sims". :P
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 13, 2012, 01:11:33 AM
I don't know zeta, maybe you bring the best out in me. It's funny that i'm not the only person thats being critical of your comments but you always seem to single me out. Maybe that's why I give you so much grief at times. Difference between you and me is atleast i'm curtious enough to extend you some respect and understanding. You can't seem to be able to do that with me at all. Maybe another reason i find it hard to cut you slack. Your right, i just need to back off. Its not like you and i are ever gonna see eye to eye on anything, or that your ever gonna extend any respect to me at all.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: TheClash603 on August 13, 2012, 02:02:50 AM
PC gaming < Apple II gaming
I had an IBM PS1 or something growing up and I never touched it, because the Apple II C+ blew it away.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 13, 2012, 02:17:26 AM
To be honest Zeta the threads title and the original post content basically implied that this discussion was to be classic oriented. It wasn't that hard to figure it out, but you just kinda went on this tangent about FPS games and killing arabs and crap, implying that's all COD games are about, when in fact they are not. The worst part is you don't really even know what is currently popular and being played on pc, you just assume its only some COD title about killing arabs and Farmville or World of Warcraft. I don't know anyone who plays f*cking Farmville or WOW, and the only person who I know that plays The Sims is my daughter.
You dismiss modern pc gaming right off the bat simply because in your opinion if its not a 8-16 bit throwback digital download game then its not "cool". Before you get all judgmental and assuming about what current pc gamers play, maybe you need to join some pc gaming/hardware sites/forums like Guru3d, HardOCP, or Tomshardware and actually READ about what others play. Maybe then you will have a leg to stand on in this kind of discussion.
I can see how you would pine for the days of old, like Sam and Max Hit the Road, etc, but to be honest Pc gaming has matured a lot since the days of the cut and dry 486 computer systems being sold at retail. The major focus now is not just point and klik role play and graphic adventures, but driving and complicated flight sims, mech combat, fps (like Tribes, COD, Bioshock, Crysis, Quake Wars, etc) and RTS games. If you'd have even bothered to look at the pics I posted you'd clearly see there is a vast mix of titles covering many genres, most of which are very popular titles for pc, or were upon their original release, and that's not even all the stuff I own, or even a solid representation of the huge variety of titles on the market.
Some pc nay sayers say pc gaming has been on a decline, but sales on both digital and physical media have been strong lately, and Pc currently enjoys better versions of most games released to console, along with many titles exclusive to pc only. If you don't like modern gaming in general, then yeah current pc gaming will have nothing to offer you, but that doesn't mean it actually is on the decline, it just doesn't suit you personally anymore is all.
Also, Herc was making a point that you tend to get focused on crap like anti-war and anti-government rants and crap and you get carried away and make stupid statements or get into arguments about it. In all fairness, you do do this, and you also constantly try to argue a point that you clearly must know is wrong, that most no one in their right mind agrees with, simply because it seems you don't know how to admit when you are wrong or whatever or simply because you are trying to imply "I'm smarter and better then everyone else here" or are trying to be different just for the sake of doing so.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 13, 2012, 02:25:28 AM
Zeta, your examples do not explain your killing arabs theory. plenty of high quality games have come out that have nothing to do with your bizzare fight "the man" theories. this whole thread is about early pc games vs console games of the same period. if your past the 90's, and you are, then you have missed the point, or are making a statement irreleveant to the original thread. not every thread is this forum is based on a conspirecy theory. play some games, have some fun, then make an intelligent statement based on said games. if you can't then your in the wrong thread. not everything has to do with zionist, anti isrealii, screw the man, corrupt establishment, who gives a f*ck mentality.
That too, he is ignoring the fact that you are referring to the 90s and classic gaming and that is what the thread is about. His sole focus seems to be on modern gaming, and even on that he is wrong anyway.
I too remember a PC (Maybe consoles too?) game that had a spot where you could kill Osama Bin Laden and Saddam. Wasn't it something like "The War on Terror" or something....?
Maybe I'm crazy...
Regardless, I started gaming with a Tandy CoCo2, then only got consoles up till around 1997 when I got a used Windows 95 PC- (I want to say an Acer Aspire) Had lots of fun, but in all honestly I probably missed most of the truly great titles of the time due to having an older computer. In the mid 2000s I got sucked into crap like Maple Story and excellent games like PSO Blue Burst gaming online! :)
Now I mostly run Linux PCs at home and play some free games (Most actually pretty rad) and older DOS games. SCUMM is amazing.
If I had to chose I guess I liked Console games/gaming more, but do enjoy gaming on either!
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 13, 2012, 03:07:11 AM
josh, you might be thinking of postal 2. yes you could get bin laden, you could blow away gary coleman as well.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 13, 2012, 03:14:03 AM
Yeah Postal 2 was kind of a over the top sandbox fps of sorts. It was ok, but not what I'd consider a top tier title by any means.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Arkhan on August 13, 2012, 03:48:51 AM
I remember in the late 90s when all my dumbass friends got Goldeneye for N64.
The exchange went like this:
Them: HURHURHURHURHURHURHR COME PLAY 007 WE HAVE PAINTBALL MODE
me: f*ck you fags, I have Quake 2.
Them: WHATS A QUAKE 2
me: come watch
them: MOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM WE NEED A COMPUTER AND QUAKE 2.
me: lol
My friends were all defective and got N64s. I had Disruptor, FFVII, X-Com, Oddworld, RE 1 and Re 2, and f*cking Tobal No. 1
they were jealous as shit about my PS1.
I remember Zelda came out and I was like lolBraveFencerMusashi
it was like taking a 3 year olds puppy and throwing it off a building. That's how crushed they were.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 13, 2012, 04:18:00 AM
I don't know zeta, maybe you bring the best out in me. It's funny that i'm not the only person thats being critical of your comments but you always seem to single me out. Maybe that's why I give you so much grief at times. Difference between you and me is atleast i'm curtious enough to extend you some respect and understanding. You can't seem to be able to do that with me at all. Maybe another reason i find it hard to cut you slack. Your right, i just need to back off. Its not like you and i are ever gonna see eye to eye on anything, or that your ever gonna extend any respect to me at all.
You're the one that brought up Eskimos and lesbians and "the man" and conspiracy theories. I never mentioned ANY of that shit. Maybe I'm singling you out because you said the stupidest shit out of anyone here. I called you out on it and this is the best you can do? I ask you to explain yourself and the only answer is "you must just hate me". Wonderful.
I'm not the only one here to say "PC gaming isn't what it used to be" so why are YOU singleing ME out?
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 13, 2012, 04:23:29 AM
I told you i'm backing off, so i'm backing off.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Arkhan on August 13, 2012, 04:24:50 AM
Eskimo lesbians don't like blubber.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 13, 2012, 04:39:58 AM
I don't know zeta, maybe you bring the best out in me. It's funny that i'm not the only person thats being critical of your comments but you always seem to single me out. Maybe that's why I give you so much grief at times. Difference between you and me is atleast i'm curtious enough to extend you some respect and understanding. You can't seem to be able to do that with me at all. Maybe another reason i find it hard to cut you slack. Your right, i just need to back off. Its not like you and i are ever gonna see eye to eye on anything, or that your ever gonna extend any respect to me at all.
You're the one that brought up Eskimos and lesbians and "the man" and conspiracy theories. I never mentioned ANY of that shit. Maybe I'm singling you out because you said the stupidest shit out of anyone here. I called you out on it and this is the best you can do? I ask you to explain yourself and the only answer is "you must just hate me". Wonderful.
I'm not the only one here to say "PC gaming isn't what it used to be" so why are YOU singleing ME out?
Maybe you should f*cking drop it already and move on. We get it, you don't like fps, or modern war games of any type, or graphic flight and racing sims, or Dawn of War or Company of Heroes or hundreds of other games you have never even tried. No big deal, to each their own. No one would have singled you out to begin with had you not went on some wild detailed tangent showing us just how little you actually do know about modern pc gaming, and how you think the only popular modern FPS being played is some game about Americans shooting sand people. Shit was already dying down and it would be great to get back on topic concerning the 90's stuff, for serious.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: BlueBMW on August 13, 2012, 04:51:52 AM
I edited the poll to make it a little more clear.
No one likes Frungy? Does anyone recognize the reference? :cool:
On another note.... been playing some Xcom Terror from the Deep... <3
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: HercTNT on August 13, 2012, 04:54:39 AM
i know frungy is from star control, but i don't understand its meaning. xcom is a fantastic game, to bad i suck at it. strategy games have never been my strong point. Warcraft 2 is probably my all time favorite and i barely made it through.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Arkhan on August 13, 2012, 05:16:46 AM
Terror From the Derp is more like it.
I'm gonna fire up motherf*ckin WING COMMANDER tonight.
Shit's so hood. I got it for 1.29$ at Goodwill.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 13, 2012, 05:48:28 AM
I go with console gaming here. I like some PC games, but the consoles are where I'm most comfortable.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Necromancer on August 13, 2012, 07:01:37 AM
Fun games are fun games, be they console, handheld, or PC. I play pretty much nothing on the PC now (I've got enough PCE and PSP stuff to keep me plenty busy), but my play time was pretty evenly split between the Turbob and PC back in the early 90s. Early on my PC favs included King's Quest and other point-n-clicks, Raptor, GTA 1 & 2, Wolfenstein 3D, and Heretic; in the late 90s to early 00s, I was playing the various Command & Conquer titles, Dune 2000, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and the 3D GTAs.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Digi.k on August 13, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
kinda miss the old dos boot up disks and fiddling around with stuff like himem just trying to get games to work properly.
Also really hated the old adlib sound card and were soo expensive in those days and I thought the sound was just superior on pc-e hucards.
It wasn't till I got hold of the gravis ultrasound card and updating it to 1meg ram where the pc sound being more affordable was able to match and in some cases outdo the Amiga 500 sound chip. Also disliked the lack of joypad support for pc for arcadey games.
Anyway I did enjoy games like Kings quest 5 & 6 along with a slew of lucasarts point and click games.
Those days here in the UK, Virgin handled the master system and elevated it way above Nintendo and it wasn't until the marketing of Mutant hero/ninja turtles was when nintendo got their foot in the door here.
Personally I thought consoles just beat all pc's in those days mainly because games just ran much smoother and had less hardware conflicts better controllers and I really had a dislike for all these game options for pc games.
Also it was pc engine's r-type that won me over. I thought the amiga translation was just poor
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Tatsujin on August 13, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
its allaobut JPN games won over european games back tehn..lololwoowowwo. sorry am le drunken..hhe . :D
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: 420GOAT on August 13, 2012, 09:45:43 AM
i could never navigate pc games...they just seemed harder. i can pick up a controler and get it on!.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: KnightWarrior on August 13, 2012, 06:24:20 PM
Console Gaming for me
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: CPTRAVE on August 13, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
Definitley console gaming, easier to handle. I never really tried playing a PC game.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Arkhan on August 14, 2012, 03:22:18 AM
Then how do you know its not easier to handle...? lol
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: liquitek on August 14, 2012, 04:26:17 AM
I never understood PC gaming as a primary (or even significant) platform... until 1993. X-Wing, Syndicate, NHL 93 & Master of Orion showed me what I was missing on consoles. Ever since it's been a good mix of both.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: geise on August 14, 2012, 08:27:11 AM
I started most of my gaming on the Amiga and Atari ST before jumping on the Turbo, then Genesis. At the time they were both great cause computer games were easier to just run and play. Ever since Windows 95 era you had to start worrying about system specs. Then it just went downhill from there. Every damn year it seemed like you had to worry about "God damn it will my computer be good enough to run this game!?" *reads back of the box* "f*ck!" I pretty much gave up on most PC gaming by the time the Dreamcast got released. When you buy a console game you know it will run how it's meant to.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: esadajr on August 15, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
PC gaming has been a complement to me. That was how I was able to play some games like Sonic CD, Sonic R, Need for Speed, the late 90s FIFA games, etc
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: motdelbourt on August 15, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
PC gaming then at least was educational. You had to learn why the sound didn't work, why the game wouldn't install, why it would run terribly slowly, etc.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Xray on August 15, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
First PC game I saw was probably mid 80's, my buddies older brother was absolutely hooked on this submarine game. He'd literally sit for days in a little basement room hunting convoys, and we'd check in every now and then to bullshit with him and watch his progress. "Yeah, I'm about 900 miles south west of the Azores now, in about 9 hours I should have them in my sights ,,, Wanna stay and watch ??"
Uh, thanks, but no thanks. Graphics were pure shit, even by 80's standards. Most of it was just numbers and bearings, if he popped up to have a look above the sea, you'd really have to stretch your imagination to see anything resembling a sub cruising on the surface. [The guy, Jerry, was a glue sniffer, tried to get everyone else to sniff. "No thanks dude, I know what it smells like", I'd tell him. Laid him back, and he was heavily addicted. Died of a brain hemorrhage some years later]. When Nintendo & Turbo game out, things picked up dramatically, but I joined the service for an 8 year hitch around that time, so missed out on much of the early action. When I was able to get a system, I went with Turbo, and happily played and built up my game inventory for a couple of years ... But when Windows 95 came out, things changed. I got it around 97, and got Battlezone, and that game blew me away. Incredible graphics, and a control system that I have never seen before, or since. I still play it, and it still looks great skimming over the moon, and leading battle squadrons against the enemy. After a dose of that, I pretty much put the turbo away as childs play, until I had kids old enough to play it. [Still was very protective of my Turbo, and made sure they didn't abuse it. I banned one of my sons from Turbo for a whole year when he got pissed and slammed the control pad on the ground]. Never really looked back, I think PC games are far superior to consoles in almost all respects. Although my kids ended up with just about every gaming system that came out, I never got into them. That said, I'm not exactly a PC game addict. I still have many stashed away in the attic that I never even opened, and the majority of games I'd play and lose interest quickly. I have probably well over 100 old PC games, boxes and all, stashed away, many more that were downloaded and saved to CD. Haven't looked at them in years. I can count on both hands the numbers of games that I seriously got into. Aside for Battlezone, my all time favorite, they include: System Shock 2 Far Cry Total Annihilation And a few others that I can't even think of their names. One was a hot chick named Rhen flying around on a dragon. The only game I play now and have been playing for years, and the only game I have ever played online, is Dawn of War Dark Crusade, an incredible base building race war game.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: Arkhan on August 16, 2012, 07:24:15 AM
PC gaming then at least was educational. You had to learn why the sound didn't work, why the game wouldn't install, why it would run terribly slowly, etc.
HIMEM.SYS, MOTHERf*ckERS
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 16, 2012, 09:12:11 PM
First PC game I saw was probably mid 80's, my buddies older brother was absolutely hooked on this submarine game.
Sounds like Silent Service.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: geise on August 17, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
Sure does. Had that on my Atari ST. Was boring as all hell. Maybe it could also be Hunt for Red October.
Title: Re: Argue like its the 90s! PC Gaming vs Console Gaming
Post by: wilykat on August 17, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Consoles vs computer... that's a toughie. I was raised in console only era ('77 with Atari system my cousin owned) and didn't have a home computer until I got a VIC=20. poor VIC=20 didn't get much use because games were hard to find locally.
A few years later I got a C=64 with better game selection, got Ultima V and Ultima Trilogy set (1-3) and a few games. I didn't get U4 until 20 years later when I found C64 emulator and arnold ftp site for the games. (and got CIB off eBay so I'd have "complete" 6 games set)
Once I tried to hack U5 save game with disk editing and got maximum gold and some supplies. But I goofed on one part and ended up with my character mounted on a shadowlord. I was able to control the shadowlord "mount" and go through anything including the tall, unpassable peaks. But when I dismounted and moved, it attacked me :/
With C-64 I think I spent a lot more time on it than any console system until I got NES in '87. I learned in BASIC and I was able to do crazy tricks* that otherwise seems difficult on C64's limited BASIC library. I had a few games like Tron light cycle type game (2 players via joysticks, using crude 40x25 ASCII graphic)
*crazy trick like 1 line substitute for if-then-else loop as C64 did not have else support. Instead of that, I used on 1*(a=21)+2*(a=34)+3*(a=54)... goto 100,200,300,400... Since only 1 variable can be true, it'd return a 1 multiplied by the number, while rest would be a 0 which is still 0 when multiplied. Without this creative use of on x goto command, I'd have done multiple if-then lines wasting lots of memory.
I am OLD.... not only do I know BASIC (and still do), I also did LOGO and PILOT. Today's kid would say huh if I mentioned those 3 languages. LOGO is an easy graphic based programming like draw forward xx, turn right xx, etc. PILOT is a harder version of graphic based programming.
I've tried newer computer languages but at 37 my brain just doesn't want to save any new information. It is true you learn better as a child than as an old man.