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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: Otaking on June 03, 2014, 10:40:29 AM
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Razion - new Neo-Geo shooter. 1560 megs.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wyByt-9xyMM
http://razion.ngdevteam.com/
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Friggin' awesome.
I LOVE MASSIVE UNDULATING SPRITES.
I don't care what anyone says, Razion looks quite, quite, quite delightful.
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Friggin' awesome.
I LOVE MASSIVE UNDULATING SPRITES.
I don't care what anyone says, Razion looks quite, quite, quite delightful.
I think it looks great too.
One thing I don't care for though is the pink bullets, I know its pretty much standard these days in modern Cave shmups.
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Than looks swanky, so glad it's not bullet hell, f*ck bullet hell games...
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That looks absolutely amazing for Neo-Geo....... but....
I'm getting sick and tired of the same (clearly) Euroshmup over and over, the same patterned, non-reactive enemy movement, same hackneyed ideas from still superior games (R-Type II, Pulstar...), same 3 years' attention to detail, 2 weeks' attention to gameplay... It's gorgeous, but *bleh* at the same time.
How about a platformer? Or an OutRun-style driving game? The Neo needs more of those.
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they were working on an Ikari style game but they are probably going to cash in on this game engine to seed it.
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With the bugs in NEO XYX, I'm not so sure I want to buy anymore NGDev. But hey, at least it's not Hucast.
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That looks absolutely amazing for Neo-Geo....... but....
I'm getting sick and tired of the same (clearly) Euroshmup over and over, the same patterned, non-reactive enemy movement, same hackneyed ideas from still superior games (R-Type II, Pulstar...), same 3 years' attention to detail, 2 weeks' attention to gameplay... It's gorgeous, but *bleh* at the same time.
How about a platformer? Or an OutRun-style driving game? The Neo needs more of those.
I'm with ya on this one. Just not impressed by this. Looks like NG:Dev is just on auto pilot now with their games.
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here is the platformer: http://www.gun-lord.com/
:)
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Wish I could afford their MVS games..
But nope...
So I just buy their dreamcast ports.....
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I'd buy this for MVS if it wasn't so expensive. I'd rather spend that kind of money on several other MVS games I don't have yet.
That's the nice thing about PCE homebrew, you don't have to sacrifice the price of a stack of great PCE games to buy it.
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I knew some folks would not be too excited...but I don't care.
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
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here is the platformer: http://www.gun-lord.com/
:)
Nope, that's a run 'n gun... simply a shoot-em-up with Newtonian physics... ;-)
Though I was pleased when GunLord was announced that it would signify a diversion for NG Devteam.
They are stuck in their Turrican/Katakis shells and should get out and see the gaming ecosystem.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to make this on the neogeo cd? I can't imagine people dropping hundreds of dollars on a homebrewn game but then again this is the neogeo we are talking about..
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here is the platformer: http://www.gun-lord.com/
:)
Nope, that's a run 'n gun... simply a shoot-em-up with Newtonian physics... ;-)
ok :wink:
btw. I haven't played ANY of their games yet.
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Sigh,another shooter why can't ngdev team make a platformer or a pinball game like devil crush for the neo-geo !?
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here is the platformer: http://www.gun-lord.com/
:)
Nope, that's a run 'n gun... simply a shoot-em-up with Newtonian physics... ;-)
ok :wink:
btw. I haven't played ANY of their games yet.
its not just a run and gun
its basically Neo Turrican
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Looks very nice, but way too slow paced and f*ck oversized ships with undersized hitboxes.
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but it's relly fantastic what they are able to pull off the ol' AES hardware. respect is due.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to make this on the neogeo cd? I can't imagine people dropping hundreds of dollars on a homebrewn game but then again this is the neogeo we are talking about..
You get some temporary measure of piracy deterence by producing a genuine cart versus a CD that anybody can rip and upload the second it is received ?? That could be apart of the decision. Somebody with a copier could eventually come along, sure, but a cart buys you some time and that's the best that you can hope for. Other reasons, I dunno, cause you get to charge a f--kload more amount of money cause it's a cart and more easily justify it to the public ??
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Very impressive looking!
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I think it's really awesome that these kinds of games are still being made but yeah it looks very euro and boring. I'm ok with the pink bullet danmaku formula for vert games but hori games I like to play more memory/obstacle based games like Rtype and the likes. I'd think this would look a lot better if there was more variation in the projectiles and enemies.
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Same old same old. They really have no idea how to design their own levels do they? Just steal steal steal. As for a Neo CD version it would be impossible. The CD's 7mb of RAM is simply not enough to hold all that animation, it would have to load like every 30 seconds or so...
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Yeah, but aren't they releasing a DC version like they usually do? That is the only "reasonable priced" version. Do they sac carts for the MVS and AES? I am sorry but for an MVS cart that is way over priced. Half it and that would be reasonable.
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DC has more RAM, and a much faster drive, hence its possible to stream data fast enough. You cant do that on a 1x speed drive....
To be fair to NGDev they actually do make there own PCBs, most of their games go over 1000 megabits and they had to come up with there own hardware to do it. Just a shame the games are all quite shit sadly.
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Yeah, but aren't they releasing a DC version like they usually do? That is the only "reasonable priced" version. Do they sac carts for the MVS and AES? I am sorry but for an MVS cart that is way over priced. Half it and that would be reasonable.
Exactly why I only buy the dc versons.
Dont get me wrong id love for my neo geo to get.more mvs love but the pricing really removes me as a customer. I get pricing and expense but this isnt their first mvs game. More like their 5-6th? You think they could stream line or reduce cost by now.
Then resently they re released most of their previous games for MVS/AES but of course limited quantitys and in limited wooden cases to house their boards. Which analouge made for them. Yes the ones making the nt. Which dont get me wrong looked great.
I just wish ng dev would be more accommodating or at lest allow a payment plan like hot toys does for their stuff. You dont pay it off? Then you lost out on your minium non refundable cash. Its not as thought the same item wouldnt get sold
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
If it wasnt something that was needed other companies wouldnt offer it.
If you are trying to say having the option to break up larger purcheses up as a benefit then I guess spending $500 and more is no big deal for you.
But for most it is. At lest for me.
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Looks interesting but to me the best part is what they are able to get the Neo Geo to do. Looks really impressive from the trailer.
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
If it wasnt something that was needed other companies wouldnt offer it.
If you are trying to say having the option to break up larger purcheses up as a benefit then I guess spending $500 and more is no big deal for you.
But for most it is. At lest for me.
They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.
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i have purchased all their previous games on DC, but something about this game seems...well... it looks like a reskin of DUX tbh. Some of the enemies (i.e. the walking merchanical rabbit things) look rehashed, which is unfortunate since Dux already got re-released to death.
ill post comparison shots when i have a free moment tonight.
edit: looks like there is already quite a bit of dux comparison discussion on other sites. The trailer for Razion is giving major deja-vu of Re-dux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fofLU3UBbRA#t=67
http://www.dreamcast-scene.com/news/ngdt-announces-razion/
I still think NG:devteam has released great games in the past, maybe they were due for a misstep eventually.
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They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.
Exactly. There's time to save up the monies on your own, and if that's not possible (for whatever reason) then maybe you need to examine your priorities.
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They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.
Exactly. There's time to save up the monies on your own, and if that's not possible (for whatever reason) then maybe you need to examine your priorities.
Priority at thr moment has been putting away 2-3 thousand a month towards my house savings account. That leaves me after bills with around $800 left not including gas food and another $400 in savings for emergancies.
If you can think up a way to sweet talk my wife into letting me spend more money on comic and video games please tell me
Newly married guy who just realized his money isnt his owb anymore.
Sad face.
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
If it wasnt something that was needed other companies wouldnt offer it.
If you are trying to say having the option to break up larger purcheses up as a benefit then I guess spending $500 and more is no big deal for you.
But for most it is. At lest for me.
They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.
See I didnt know they did any announcement in advance. All I get is a email from them typically stating hey you can pre order our newest game. Link. And thats it.
Maybe I simply do not research this particular home brew company or nearly as familiar with them as some other are.
Mind you (yes I know they are in Germany) when I bought their CE for the dream cast release of ...blanking on name. Basically thwir turicon inspired game the packagine was sub par. I mean seriously they sent the limited posters flatened and crumpled in a box along with the game on top of it instead of in a shipping poster tube. When I messaged them on neo forums and their company website requesting a replacement or at lest acknowledgment of my damaged goods as I wanted to fram the poster with the bikini girl and cherry blossom background I was completely ignored.
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They're German ? Uh-oh, yeah, so they're pricing in euros then: 450 eur = $612 USD...
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I am a fan of the sprites on this, still very impressive based on how old the hardware is. May not be very original but I am still a fan.
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
This.
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
This.
Rolf... stop posting about neo geo and get your last minute art contest entry submitted! 40 minutes remain!
Sorry. I really wanted to submit something, but I crashed and burned. Este wins. :( | :)
(In good consciousness, I don't want to blame exterior circumstances, but holy-moly this past month has been memorable!)
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
No game is honestly worth $540 bucks for a general consumer. The fact is they are making a killing off that on the parts cost side of things. Look at all the 100 in 1 multi-carts and other multi-jamma pcb crap that is just as complex to make but cost a mere fraction to the consumer. The only suckers willing to pay this kinda cash though for a game are the Neo types and the obsessive collector investors with their 10,000 game collections who barely ever play anything, or vendors who plan to put it out on commission in a cab and get some money back.
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
No game is honestly worth $540 bucks for a general consumer. The fact is they are making a killing off that on the parts cost side of things. Look at all the 100 in 1 multi-carts and other multi-jamma pcb crap that is just as complex to make but cost a mere fraction to the consumer. The only suckers willing to pay this kinda cash though for a game are the Neo types and the obsessive collector investors with their 10,000 game collections who barely ever play anything, or vendors who plan to put it out on commission in a cab and get some money back.
I'm not defending this particular developer, but developers in general, when I say that the sheer amount of time/energy/stress put into a project is often NOT compensated by an equivalent amount of $$$.
Just refining the nuanced, small little elements (I,e. mechanics, graphics)—yes, those "finishing touches" that separate a "rough" game from a "polished" game—this can eat up an inordinate amount of time.
Razion might very well be a pretty skin on top of "generic old-skool euro pap play mechanics", but folks can't deny that a sh'tload of effort went into it, EVEN IF they recycled the game engine.
I'd still feel this way even if they produced a soccer game or mahjong title (I have zero interest in those genres).
Anyway, sadly, I think a lot of indie games published for old consoles are sold to "collector types" who rarely play the damn game. This is ironic, because, (usually) the games were clearly made to keep a console ALIVE and not simply exist as collector fodder.
I actually would have some respect (not much, but some) for a scammer who pumped out "games" (of dubious quality) that exist simply as collector's items (since the game itself is poor quality and of little value to a person who actually seeks entertainment via games). The entire motivation for this enterprise would be milking folks out of their money. Money first, collectables first....creating/distributing a decent game? Not even a passing thought.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to make this on the neogeo cd? I can't imagine people dropping hundreds of dollars on a homebrewn game but then again this is the neogeo we are talking about..
You get some temporary measure of piracy deterence by producing a genuine cart versus a CD that anybody can rip and upload the second it is received ?? That could be apart of the decision. Somebody with a copier could eventually come along, sure, but a cart buys you some time and that's the best that you can hope for. Other reasons, I dunno, cause you get to charge a f--kload more amount of money cause it's a cart and more easily justify it to the public ??
Although I would prefer Neo CD myself,I think the big deterrent is that Last Hope on cd sold very poorly and it took them forever to sell them all, eventually dropping the price to $30 to get rid of them.
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Well to being the theead back on track show of hands w hhh o are poo ee ordering this game? If you are what system will you get it for?
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If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.
No game is honestly worth $540 bucks for a general consumer. The fact is they are making a killing off that on the parts cost side of things. Look at all the 100 in 1 multi-carts and other multi-jamma pcb crap that is just as complex to make but cost a mere fraction to the consumer. The only suckers willing to pay this kinda cash though for a game are the Neo types and the obsessive collector investors with their 10,000 game collections who barely ever play anything, or vendors who plan to put it out on commission in a cab and get some money back.
I'm not defending this particular developer, but developers in general, when I say that the sheer amount of time/energy/stress put into a project is often NOT compensated by an equivalent amount of $$$.
Just refining the nuanced, small little elements (I,e. mechanics, graphics)—yes, those "finishing touches" that separate a "rough" game from a "polished" game—this can eat up an inordinate amount of time.
Razion might very well be a pretty skin on top of "generic old-skool euro pap play mechanics", but folks can't deny that a sh'tload of effort went into it, EVEN IF they recycled the game engine.
I'd still feel this way even if they produced a soccer game or mahjong title (I have zero interest in those genres).
Anyway, sadly, I think a lot of indie games published for old consoles are sold to "collector types" who rarely play the damn game. This is ironic, because, (usually) the games were clearly made to keep a console ALIVE and not simply exist as collector fodder.
I actually would have some respect (not much, but some) for a scammer who pumped out "games" (of dubious quality) that exist simply as collector's items (since the game itself is poor quality and of little value to a person who actually seeks entertainment via games). The entire motivation for this enterprise would be milking folks out of their money. Money first, collectables first....creating/distributing a decent game? Not even a passing thought.
If Mysterious Song was sold at a price to strictly break even, after compensating everyone for the time they invested, it would be $3000 a copy.
But this Neo Geo company, like Watermelon, present themselves as a business selling full professional quality software, catered to collectors. Kinda like that $500 NES clone. At least Watermelon's prices are closer to retail games. This new Neo Geo shooter being just an updated port kinda makes it less of a justification for high prices on the development cost side of things.