Razion - new Neo Geo shooter

[ElSeven]

i have purchased all their previous games on DC, but something about this game seems...well... it looks like a reskin of DUX tbh.  Some of the enemies (i.e. the walking merchanical rabbit things) look rehashed, which is unfortunate since Dux already got re-released to death.

ill post comparison shots when i have a free moment tonight.

edit: looks like there is already quite a bit of dux comparison discussion on other sites.  The trailer for Razion is giving major deja-vu of Re-dux

http://www.dreamcast-scene.com/news/ngdt-announces-razion/

I still think NG:devteam has released great games in the past, maybe they were due for a misstep eventually.

[Necromancer]

They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.

Exactly.  There's time to save up the monies on your own, and if that's not possible (for whatever reason) then maybe you need to examine your priorities.

[Medic_wheat]

They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.

Exactly.  There's time to save up the monies on your own, and if that's not possible (for whatever reason) then maybe you need to examine your priorities.

Priority at thr moment has been putting away 2-3 thousand a month towards my house savings account. That leaves me after bills with around $800 left not including gas food and another $400 in savings for emergancies.

If you can think up a way to sweet talk my wife into letting me spend more money on comic and video games please tell me 


Newly married guy who just realized his money isnt his owb anymore.


Sad face.

[Medic_wheat]

If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether.

If it wasnt something that was needed other companies wouldnt offer it.

If you are trying to say having the option to break up larger purcheses up as a benefit then I guess spending $500 and more is no big deal for you.

But for most it is. At lest for me.

They announced it up to 6+ months in advance. Start putting away what you can afford each month in the meantime if you want to commit to buying such an expensive game.

See I didnt know they did any announcement in advance. All I get is a email from them typically stating hey you can pre order our newest game.  Link.  And thats it.


Maybe I simply do not research this particular home brew company or nearly as familiar with them as some other are.

Mind you (yes I know they are in Germany) when I bought their CE for the dream cast release of ...blanking on name. Basically thwir turicon inspired game the packagine was sub par.  I mean seriously they sent the limited posters flatened and crumpled in a box along with the game on top of it instead of in a shipping poster tube. When I messaged them on neo forums and their company website requesting a replacement or at lest acknowledgment of my damaged goods as I wanted to fram the poster with the bikini girl and cherry blossom background I was completely ignored.

[NightWolve]

They're German ? Uh-oh, yeah, so they're pricing in euros then: 450 eur = $612 USD...

[EvilEvoIX]

I am a fan of the sprites on this, still very impressive based on how old the hardware is.  May not be very original but I am still a fan.

[roflmao]

If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether. 

This.

[roflmao]

If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether. 

This.

Rolf... stop posting about neo geo and get your last minute art contest entry submitted! 40 minutes remain!

Sorry.  I really wanted to submit something, but I crashed and burned.  Este wins. |

(In good consciousness, I don't want to blame exterior circumstances, but holy-moly this past month has been memorable!)

[ProfessorProfessorson]

If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether. 

No game is honestly worth $540 bucks for a general consumer. The fact is they are making a killing off that on the parts cost side of things. Look at all the 100 in 1 multi-carts and other multi-jamma pcb crap that is just as complex to make but cost a mere fraction to the consumer. The only suckers willing to pay this kinda cash though for a game are the Neo types and the obsessive collector investors with their 10,000 game collections who barely ever play anything, or vendors who plan to put it out on commission in a cab and get some money back.

[esteban]

If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether. 

No game is honestly worth $540 bucks for a general consumer. The fact is they are making a killing off that on the parts cost side of things. Look at all the 100 in 1 multi-carts and other multi-jamma pcb crap that is just as complex to make but cost a mere fraction to the consumer. The only suckers willing to pay this kinda cash though for a game are the Neo types and the obsessive collector investors with their 10,000 game collections who barely ever play anything, or vendors who plan to put it out on commission in a cab and get some money back.

I'm not defending this particular developer, but developers in general, when I say that the sheer amount of time/energy/stress put into a project is often NOT compensated by an equivalent amount of $$$.

Just refining the nuanced, small little elements (I,e. mechanics, graphics)—yes, those "finishing touches" that separate a "rough" game from a "polished" game—this can eat up an inordinate amount of time.

Razion might very well be a pretty skin on top of "generic old-skool euro pap play mechanics", but folks can't deny that a sh'tload of effort went into it, EVEN IF they recycled the game engine.

I'd still feel this way even if they produced a soccer game or mahjong title (I have zero interest in those genres).

Anyway, sadly, I think a lot of indie games published for old consoles are sold to "collector types" who rarely play the damn game. This is ironic, because, (usually) the games were clearly made to keep a console ALIVE and not simply exist as collector fodder.

I actually would have some respect (not much, but some) for a scammer who pumped out "games" (of dubious quality) that exist simply as collector's items (since the game itself is poor quality and of little value to a person who actually seeks entertainment via games).  The entire motivation for this enterprise would be milking folks out of their money. Money first, collectables first....creating/distributing a decent game? Not even a passing thought.

[GohanX]

Wouldn't it make more sense to make this on the neogeo cd? I can't imagine people dropping hundreds of dollars on a homebrewn game but then again this is the neogeo we are talking about..

You get some temporary measure of piracy deterence by producing a genuine cart versus a CD that anybody can rip and upload the second it is received ?? That could be apart of the decision. Somebody with a copier could eventually come along, sure, but a cart buys you some time and that's the best that you can hope for. Other reasons, I dunno, cause you get to charge a f--kload more amount of money cause it's a cart and more easily justify it to the public ??

Although I would prefer Neo CD myself,I think the big deterrent is that Last Hope on cd sold very poorly and it took them forever to sell them all, eventually dropping the price to $30 to get rid of them.

[Medic_wheat]

Well to being the theead back on track show of hands w hhh o are poo ee ordering this game?  If you are what system will you get it for?

[Black Tiger]

If you need to finance a $500 purchase, you might want to rethink the purchase altogether. 

No game is honestly worth $540 bucks for a general consumer. The fact is they are making a killing off that on the parts cost side of things. Look at all the 100 in 1 multi-carts and other multi-jamma pcb crap that is just as complex to make but cost a mere fraction to the consumer. The only suckers willing to pay this kinda cash though for a game are the Neo types and the obsessive collector investors with their 10,000 game collections who barely ever play anything, or vendors who plan to put it out on commission in a cab and get some money back.

I'm not defending this particular developer, but developers in general, when I say that the sheer amount of time/energy/stress put into a project is often NOT compensated by an equivalent amount of $$$.

Just refining the nuanced, small little elements (I,e. mechanics, graphics)—yes, those "finishing touches" that separate a "rough" game from a "polished" game—this can eat up an inordinate amount of time.

Razion might very well be a pretty skin on top of "generic old-skool euro pap play mechanics", but folks can't deny that a sh'tload of effort went into it, EVEN IF they recycled the game engine.

I'd still feel this way even if they produced a soccer game or mahjong title (I have zero interest in those genres).

Anyway, sadly, I think a lot of indie games published for old consoles are sold to "collector types" who rarely play the damn game. This is ironic, because, (usually) the games were clearly made to keep a console ALIVE and not simply exist as collector fodder.

I actually would have some respect (not much, but some) for a scammer who pumped out "games" (of dubious quality) that exist simply as collector's items (since the game itself is poor quality and of little value to a person who actually seeks entertainment via games).  The entire motivation for this enterprise would be milking folks out of their money. Money first, collectables first....creating/distributing a decent game? Not even a passing thought.

If Mysterious Song was sold at a price to strictly break even, after compensating everyone for the time they invested, it would be $3000 a copy.

But this Neo Geo company, like Watermelon, present themselves as a business selling full professional quality software, catered to collectors. Kinda like that $500 NES clone. At least Watermelon's prices are closer to retail games. This new Neo Geo shooter being just an updated port kinda makes it less of a justification for high prices on the development cost side of things.