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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: bartre on March 15, 2016, 02:55:16 PM
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I felt like putting together a box of crap from japan and came across this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sengoku-Blade-Sega-Saturn-JP-GAME-/331799985260?hash=item4d40d1fc6c:g:ZqIAAOSwP~tW4lnp
Sengoku blade, with almost 4 hours left on auction and no spine card.
currently bid to $112.
what the hell? i thought it was like a $40-50 game on the high end?
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It's the rack. People love the boobies on that chick.
Everything has been going up though. For a long time Sega stuff was immune to it and it was mainly Nintendo that was heavily inflating, now people are throwing money at everything. We were talking about Dreamcast prices that one day, even stuff that used to be semi-reasonable is inflating. Skies of Arcadia managed to go from being like $40 or so to almost $80 in just the last several months.
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I've kinda noticed, i think i just needed to bitch.
I'm in a few gaming groups on FB, those people are just insane.
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I wonder if Japan has retro game personalities that help drive prices? I mean watching GameCenter CX made me want Super Fanasy Zone.
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I guessed before clicking the link it would be a yamatoku-classic auction, and it was.
Don't judge trends or general prices on his auction end prices, for years they (suspiciously) always end very high over general market value.
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perhaps all of us here are to blame back in 2006 when youtube just popped up and we were younger and naive about the world and its monetizing ways and we just wanted to educate the world the way of the pc engine and other japan only systems... like saturn etc...
little did we know whether or not those vids we made back then had any impact on ebay prices once they were unleashed unto the world....
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=1568.0
I got quite a bit of saturn stuff but there is about 10+ titles I would still like to get but now I don't think I am going to bother at current rates.
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Everyone knows you needed to buy your games 20 years ago... or 20 years from now.
The good news is you can play what you got for the next 20 years.
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Everyone knows you needed to buy your games 20 years ago... or 20 years from now.
The good news is you can play what you got for the next 20 years.
yeah i've noticed.
good thing i've got the turbo stuff i want.
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perhaps all of us here are to blame back in 2006 when youtube just popped up and we were younger and naive about the world and its monetizing ways and we just wanted to educate the world the way of the pc engine and other japan only systems... like saturn etc...
little did we know whether or not those vids we made back then had any impact on ebay prices once they were unleashed unto the world....
https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=1568.0
I got quite a bit of saturn stuff but there is about 10+ titles I would still like to get but now I don't think I am going to bother at current rates.
I just re-read 75% of that thread. Ha!
I can't believe it was a decade ago.
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Saturn has definitely been one of the hardest affected by the retro price spike. Everything's gone up, but Saturn really jumped. I think the same is going to happen to Gamecube soon. I know component cables for it have been pricey for some time, but games have mostly stayed affordable. It seems that consoles that get ignored while they're new become the expensive hot item a few generations later.
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Uh oh guys, better start collecting for the Wii U now.
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Yeah Panzer Dragoon Saga has definitely gone up in the past several years. Hell, I thought I paid too much for it back in 2013 ($150). http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=sega+saturn+panzer+dragoon+saga&_sop=16
Now it looks like people are trying to sell their single discs for that price.
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Uh oh guys, better start collecting for the Wii U now.
Retail price is the "bargain" price. Nintendo is releasing some "classics" at cheaper prices. But even then better act now. The WiiU will be this "underrated" console full of "undiscovered" "gems".
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as per Saturn goes, like the Turbo, it used to be only US releases were affected. Japanese resellers caught up and know they can sell at collectard prices to the crazy americans.
Only cheapies are those where the language barrier makes them unplayable.
Best is to give up and play from backup discs, Saturn CD drives seem to be as reliable as PC Engine ones and suitable replacements are widely available as well. In some cases I rather play on an emulator because of fear of losing progress.
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Had a quick look around at the prices of sold Japanese Sega Saturn games and the prices seem to generally be about the same as around 2010 when I was last looking up SS prices.
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I should have grabbed the following back before 2006 just when I went all xbox 360..
Metal Black
Winning Post - USA
Final Fight Revenge
Elevator Action Returns
Deep Fear - UK/EU
Keio Flying Squadron 2 - EU/EU
I used to have Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru which I sold before youtube existed but I don't regret selling it.
This all my Sega Saturn games they retired and stored away in a box as the only time and money i have nowadays for retro gaming is for the pce.
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m113/secretsociety1/sega saturn scans and stuff/P1020715.jpg)
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I started getting into Saturn around 2003 and at that time the US stuff was still kind of pricey. Not at today's levels but it was still high relatively speaking. I think Panzer was around $150 at the time and Radiant Silvergun was not cheap.
I wish I would have picked up more stuff I was so happy with a mod chip I only picked up a few originals here or there. Didn't help that one of my buddies had almost all the US set and I could borrow it freely. I believe he still has that set with most of the big titles.
There is definitely a correlation between the Saturn and PCE fans. We are different and go for the underdog.
Deep Fear - UK/EU
Man I regret not getting that one I have the Jpn version but for some reason I really liked that game. I remember messaging UK ebay sellers to ship to US and they said no grrrrr.
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I bought a bunch of Saturn games not long ago and was shocked by how cheap things are. I bought a lot of the best games too. I paid $230 Can. for X-Men vs SF when it came out. Now you can buy it on eBay for $15. So many other games that I paid $70 - $200 for bitd now go for <$10.
It's never been a better time to buy Saturn games.
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I just stick with CD-Rs for most of my games and only try to pick up titles I really want. Because of that my Saturn collection is a total of one single legit game. Still looking for a copy of Rockman 8 personally.
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Genesis and Turbo/PCE takes up all of my gaming funds. It is for this reason I appreciate the Saturn a friend gave me for free and Pseudo Saturn.
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Man, prices SUCK where you are. I didn't get XMvsSF until it was old but I got MSHvsSF the day it came out and I paid $60. The version with RAM was $8-12 more depending on where you got it.
But either way, I see your point and I agree. I've bought so many Saturn games online for less than $1 it's stupid. The thing is, it isn't value that attracts collectards, it's the exact opposite of that. They want somthing R@REOMG and if they go to eBay and see that, for example, Street Fighter Zero 2 (one of the best fighters ever made) is going for $1.35 then that game sucks as far as they are concerned. They see that Panzer is $1000 and that's what a good game is to them.
There are a lot of super cheap Saturn games but usually because most of them are games printed in huge quantities, either they are mega selling Sega titles or sports things RPGs, and the more people see these "crap" titles stinking up collections and never getting good prices the more their worldview is reenforced; that Fighters Megamix has no value. f*ck those idiots.
I bought a bunch of Saturn games not long ago and was shocked by how cheap things are. I bought a lot of the best games too. I paid $230 Can. for X-Men vs SF when it came out. Now you can buy it on eBay for $15. So many other games that I paid $70 - $200 for bitd now go for <$10.
It's never been a better time to buy Saturn games.
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Sega Saturn games can still be found cheap outside of the ones that have shiny Working Designs covers and the ones that came out really late with low print runs. Other than Panzer Dragoon for $160 and Daytona Netlink, I got all my Saturn games at good value.
For those who want cheaper games, I second Fighters Megamix and Street Fighter Alpha 2, both games I have played many hours of. Once you fight as a car or hunk of meat, the charm will win you over.
Other games I really enjoy (others might not) that are cheap are:
- Virtua Cops (get a gun!) or even the other light gun games.
- For all you guys in your mid-30s, you owe yourself a playthrough of Double Switch!
- I enjoy the Sega racing games, even Sonic R (get the Nights controller).
- Gets Nights while you are at it!
- Panzer Dragoon 1 is still $20 I think, great game.
- Does anyone have a weird obsession over Robo Pit? I do.
- When you get tired of the great SF Alpha 2, treat your friends to the much shittier SF: The Movie. If you really want them to hate you, turn Criticom on.
- Blast Chamber is an unliked game, but it shouldn't be. 4 player is a... blast.
If you want to go more expensive, Guardian Heroes and Dragon Force are the two games worth the cost of entry. If you get a multi-tap and have a few people over, YOU MUST do an all Citizen 3 battle in Guardian Heroes, you will not regret it. Random character level optional.
/rant
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I need to get guardian heroes back- i had to sell it last summer.
beyond that i know I want Magic Knight Rayearth again (jesus i hate the idea of shelling out for it)
but beyond that i think i'd be fine with the JP releases of every other game - beemer sold me panzer dragoon 1, i need #2, the layer section games, keio 2, and some of the shmups (soukyugurentai comes to mind)
other than that, most of the fighters are CPS2 games which i have the darksoft board for, or fall into the category of "not my type" anyway.
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MKR is fine in JP, too.
I'm still looking for Shienryu and Metal Black. I got a Souky to trade if that's of interest. But sadly, very few want to part with those two these days.
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sadly no, they're both great games, but i don't feel like paying for MB, and i've got Shienryu on the STV multicart.
I know MKR had some gameplay fixes (mostly lag related) in the US release, but I just have a special attachment to the series, and it's one i used to play through pretty regularly when i had it.
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Uh oh guys, better start collecting for the Wii U now.
I've got about 20 games for wii u so I'll be a millionaire in 10 years.
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Uh oh guys, better start collecting for the Wii U now.
I've got about 20 games for wii u so I'll be a millionaire in 10 years.
Nintendo BS is what will eventually cause the bubble to pop.
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I got a lot of my Saturn stuff while it was current, pretty happy in general but there's always more stuff I'd like to get. I didn't get a lot of english language games because I was into getting the imports before a US version came out, so my MKR is the Japanese one, same for Guardian Heroes and Saturn Bomberman. My favorite Saturn Working Designs title that I have is probably Iron Storm, but I would have liked to get MKR and Dragon Force 2. Last two I picked up were Last Gladiators Pinball (USA) and Necronomicon Pinball (Xmas gift actually). I wanted to get Burning Rangers, Deep Fear, Bulk Slash and some others but I guess I'll just wait until opportunity strikes. I have some great games though for it in the meantime!
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Deep Fear
I was fortunate a few years ago to get it (UK version) cheaply.
The guy had it listed as "Dear Fear". I was the only bidder.
The ultra cheesy voice acting is an attraction, to be sure. But I've yet to complete the game. I always kinda lose interest.
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I should have grabbed the following back before 2006 just when I went all xbox 360..
Metal Black
Winning Post - USA
Final Fight Revenge
Elevator Action Returns
Deep Fear - UK/EU
Keio Flying Squadron 2 - EU/EU
I used to have Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru which I sold before youtube existed but I don't regret selling it.
This all my Sega Saturn games they retired and stored away in a box as the only time and money i have nowadays for retro gaming is for the pce.
You now mentioned metal black and come to think of it anything that was made by "Ving" has definitely gone up since I bought my Ving set. Bubble Symphony has gone up like 2 fold since I purchased it a few years back, elevator action returns I think now has even surpassed mizubaku daibouken and mizubaku is actually harder to find imo. Metal black and nightstriker s have also been going on a climb. Even the XING games have gone up especially PuLiRuLa which is weird because it was like the cheapest xing title to get.
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I've all but given up on getting all the Saturn games I want at this point. I've narrowed the list down to Hyper Duel, and maybe Leynos 2 & Night Striker S, then I'll have to call it quits for awhile with the collecting. Sad, because the Saturn is my favorite console for arcade ports...it's just becoming too prohibitively expensive.
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Didn't realize Bubble Symphony was for the Saturn. Man is it really worth $80? Hmmm
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I've all but given up on getting all the Saturn games I want at this point. I've narrowed the list down to Hyper Duel, and maybe Leynos 2 & Night Striker S, then I'll have to call it quits for awhile with the collecting. Sad, because the Saturn is my favorite console for arcade ports...it's just becoming too prohibitively expensive.
There is always Rhea or Phoebe (depending on which model you have).
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I've all but given up on getting all the Saturn games I want at this point..
... it's just becoming too prohibitively expensive.
That. Modchip / Pseudo Saturn / or even swap trick. Drives are super reliable and suitable replacement parts are easy enough to procure.
Screw resellers and collectards, no one should deny themselves the pleasure of trying some of these "gems".
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I've all but given up on getting all the Saturn games I want at this point..
... it's just becoming too prohibitively expensive.
That. Modchip / Pseudo Saturn / or even swap trick. Drives are super reliable and suitable replacement parts are easy enough to procure.
Screw resellers and collectards, no one should deny themselves the pleasure of trying some of these "gems".
I totally agree with this do not deny yourself the joy of Saturn games. Modchip is super easy to install and region free just requires a cart.
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I've all but given up on getting all the Saturn games I want at this point. I've narrowed the list down to Hyper Duel, and maybe Leynos 2 & Night Striker S, then I'll have to call it quits for awhile with the collecting. Sad, because the Saturn is my favorite console for arcade ports...it's just becoming too prohibitively expensive.
There is always Rhea or Phoebe (depending on which model you have).
"Always"? Aren't they out-of-stock currently?
I'll have to invest in something like that sometime soon. There are many titles other than the ones I listed that I'd love to play, but it's just getting too damn expensive for me to own them. Shame, too...I would have liked to own more stuff like PuLiRuLa, Elevator Action Returns, Battle Garegga, etc., but I'll have to limit myself to the three games I mentioned before, for my wallet's sake.
...actually...I may have to make an exception for Battle Garegga, too. Dat VGM though...
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"Always"? Aren't they out-of-stock currently?
Well, that's not what I meant by "always."
But yeah, getting one can be difficult. I am using a GDEMU in my Dreamcast which I bought used off a friend for a good deal. For the time being, I'm going with the mod chip and Action Replay cart in my Saturn, but I'm still considering a Rhea just for long term support since the disc drive won't last forever, and I only have one backup Saturn at the moment.
I've been very happy with the GDEMU, so I think it's safe to say I would enjoy the Rhea or Phoebe.
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Didn't realize Bubble Symphony was for the Saturn. Man is it really worth $80? Hmmm
It is a very good game, and there is even a code to put the whole game in english, but I don't think so. I think of the price I paid for it, and think that should be just around the ballpark of what the game should cost. That being 35, I think its not fair that these ving titles are getting out of hand.
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I've all but given up on getting all the Saturn games I want at this point. I've narrowed the list down to Hyper Duel, and maybe Leynos 2 & Night Striker S, then I'll have to call it quits for awhile with the collecting. Sad, because the Saturn is my favorite console for arcade ports...it's just becoming too prohibitively expensive.
There is always Rhea or Phoebe (depending on which model you have).
"Always"? Aren't they out-of-stock currently?
I'll have to invest in something like that sometime soon. There are many titles other than the ones I listed that I'd love to play, but it's just getting too damn expensive for me to own them. Shame, too...I would have liked to own more stuff like PuLiRuLa, Elevator Action Returns, Battle Garegga, etc., but I'll have to limit myself to the three games I mentioned before, for my wallet's sake.
...actually...I may have to make an exception for Battle Garegga, too. Dat VGM though...
I been annoyed as well that every time I am thinking of getting a Rhea it is out of stock. When I get a Rhea I will probably pick up a gray Saturn.
Anyway a tip I am using now guys is this. Create a wordpress account and then subscribe to the site that creates the Rhea. Every time any update happens at the site I get an email. It's a little annoying but I will know the second the pre-order begins.
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You can also invest in replacement lasers. I bought about 10 of them in bulk from China to replace a number of busted units and they've been working fine so far.
I mainly go the modchip route right now since the new Universal chips are so nice and easy.
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- Does anyone have a weird obsession over Robo Pit? I do.
- When you get tired of the great SF Alpha 2, treat your friends to the much shittier SF: The Movie. If you really want them to hate you, turn Criticom on.
- Blast Chamber is an unliked game, but it shouldn't be. 4 player is a... blast.
Count me in on the above fandom. Robo Pit does have one of the worst soundtracks around, and the gameplay is nothing special, but I still enjoy the game and robots that you can build. When my Saturn memory cartridge died, losing my Robo Pit saves was one of the things which hit me hardest (next to my Daytona/Rally runs and my SimCity 2000 cities).
Blast Chamber, too, is a great party game, and SF: The Movie is good playing SF game despite its reputation. Next to Saturn Bomberman, Blast Chamber was one of the top games requested, even if it's just a giant shoving match.
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Saturn is on the rise for sure. It is pretty expensive to start fresh. I have a few but not all I would want to play. I'm very interested in the USB mod.
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- Does anyone have a weird obsession over Robo Pit? I do.
- When you get tired of the great SF Alpha 2, treat your friends to the much shittier SF: The Movie. If you really want them to hate you, turn Criticom on.
- Blast Chamber is an unliked game, but it shouldn't be. 4 player is a... blast.
Count me in on the above fandom. Robo Pit does have one of the worst soundtracks around, and the gameplay is nothing special, but I still enjoy the game and robots that you can build. When my Saturn memory cartridge died, losing my Robo Pit saves was one of the things which hit me hardest (next to my Daytona/Rally runs and my SimCity 2000 cities).
Blast Chamber, too, is a great party game, and SF: The Movie is good playing SF game despite its reputation. Next to Saturn Bomberman, Blast Chamber was one of the top games requested, even if it's just a giant shoving match.
This is likely the most fandom and longest discussion for either of these games on the entire internet. I am legitimately excited someone else was ranking themself up in Robo Pit.
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Most of the US games have definitely gone up in price which makes me sad I didn't really jump in on Saturn collecting when I had the chance. I bought Gungriffion for $6 complete back in 2013 and I'd be lucky to pay that much for just the disc these days. I dunno about Japanese imports though, I never really paid attention to the prices of those until recently since I foolishly bought a US console as my first Saturn and never invested in an Action Replay.
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Most of the US games have definitely gone up in price which makes me sad I didn't really jump in on Saturn collecting when I had the chance. I bought Gungriffion for $6 complete back in 2013 and I'd be lucky to pay that much for just the disc these days. I dunno about Japanese imports though, I never really paid attention to the prices of those until recently since I foolishly bought a US console as my first Saturn and never invested in an Action Replay.
Prices for certain japanese games are cheaper such as panzer dragoon and panzer dragoon II.Often i suggest any one to just buy a pro action replay plus and ignore the u.s release.
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Dumbasses are figuring out how to import and play games they otherwise couldn't.
the excitement hits them and they're too dumb to restrain themselves and pay normal prices or just wait it out.
I've seen cases where a game bid-wars up to higher than an auction of the same game, with a BIN price that is less.
People are literally that stupid. They will bid higher than buy it now prices.
I do not understand it.
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No joke. I put a Gamecube component video cable on eBay with a $0.99 start and a BIN of $80 and it sold for $125.*
The dicks actually WANT to overpay.
Can noob retro gaming be a drawn out and highly specialized form of attention seeking masochism? Is Tobias like a dom? Do they put the plastic on the games because that's how their wicked step aunt put plastic on her furniture? Are their own hands too filthy to touch their games?
* these values are approximations from memory, but near enough in ratio to each other to make the point. I don't have an auction number, this was two years ago. Listen, go f*ck yourself, a$$hole.
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I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get f*cknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"
... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.
Stop f*cking bidding and buy the other ones!
I can't think of how many times I was bidding on shit and just said "nope" and did a BIN on another auction.
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I just bought a modded Saturn to play burns.
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The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.
I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.
I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get f*cknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"
... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.
I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 8)
*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.
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Did you just diss Rayearth.
I will kill you
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The Shining Force III games are as good as it gets and alone justify having a Saturn to play them. In this day and age, it's easy enough to get a system that plays cdrs, so there's no reason to complain about prices.
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The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.
I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.
I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get f*cknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"
... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.
I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 8)
*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.
You're saying that the Saturn is only good for (now) dated 3D and stuff you can get in MAME? Is that actually what you are saying?
Because that's kinda fuct. That's the sort of joke someone would base a fake Twitter account on to crank "humor" out of every day.
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The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.
I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.
I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get f*cknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"
... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.
I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 8)
*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.
You're saying that the Saturn is only good for (now) dated 3D and stuff you can get in MAME? Is that actually what you are saying?
Because that's kinda fuct. That's the sort of joke someone would base a fake Twitter account on to crank "humor" out of every day.
I agree with Zeta. There are so many fantastic 2D games on the saturn. Astal is one of those games that I love dearly because of its atmosphere and just the surrealness. There are also a lot of arcade ports that definitely play better on the saturn than the PS1. Such as the Xmen games, capcom games, and such. There are only certain exceptions such as the donpachi and dodonpachi, and kaitei daisensou/in the hunt are the ones that play better on the PS1. When you play most of the arcade ports on the saturn you definitely notice a significant difference because of the power of the 1meg and the 4meg ram carts. It was very much a mini arcade machine in it of itself. While it may be hard to collect for now, but they have a great repertoire of hilariously great games on the system.
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I love my saturn, I agree dragon force is my favorite game and I think the best on the system, but there are a a good amount of great exclusives on the system.
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I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get f*cknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"
... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.
Stop f*cking bidding and buy the other ones!
I can't think of how many times I was bidding on shit and just said "nope" and did a BIN on another auction.
This is why I encourage people to start their auctions with low starting bids. If you WANT to sell a game for $50 and start it at $0.99, you will more than likely get more money for it than if you start it at $45. People see cheap starting bids and think it's their chance to finally get it cheap. But eventually the bids start adding up and people get too caught up in the mind set that they don't want to loose it by a dollar so they keep bidding and suddenly they could have bought a BIN for less money.
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The world would be a better place with $0.99 starting bid no reserve auctions.
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The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.
I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.
I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get f*cknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"
... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.
I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 8)
*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.
You're saying that the Saturn is only good for (now) dated 3D and stuff you can get in MAME? Is that actually what you are saying?
Because that's kinda fuct. That's the sort of joke someone would base a fake Twitter account on to crank "humor" out of every day.
I agree with Zeta. There are so many fantastic 2D games on the saturn. Astal is one of those games that I love dearly because of its atmosphere and just the surrealness. There are also a lot of arcade ports that definitely play better on the saturn than the PS1. Such as the Xmen games, capcom games, and such. There are only certain exceptions such as the donpachi and dodonpachi, and kaitei daisensou/in the hunt are the ones that play better on the PS1. When you play most of the arcade ports on the saturn you definitely notice a significant difference because of the power of the 1meg and the 4meg ram carts. It was very much a mini arcade machine in it of itself. While it may be hard to collect for now, but they have a great repertoire of hilariously great games on the system.
You're kind of proving his point with all the arcade stuff...
But Astal was never in the arcade. Neither was Guardian Heroes, Policenauts, Shining Force, Bomberman SS, Lenos 2, Six Man Scramble, Lunar, Radient Silvergun (MAME/STV version lacks MANY improvements made for Saturn), Silhouette Mirage, The Apocolypse IV, Three Dirty Dwarves, Wachenroader...
I specifically didn't mention the ton of Neo/CPS2 games because they play in MAME even though home versions are often improved upon considerably (SFZ3) and I also avoided games that existed as nearly identical versions on older machines (Polcenauts excepted because nobody wants to maintain a 3DO for that) or games that eventually received superior remakes on DC (Sakura Wars 1 and 2). I even left out some stuff that's probably just too dated in general but was rad at the time, like Super Robot Wars F/F Final and the Daisenryaku titles. And I left out all the crusty 3D, even though I still very much enjoy some of it like Megamix, Last Brox, Sonic R, and the entire Panzer series.
It's a great machine with tons of software. This guy is nuts or he just doesn't have any taste.
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Magic Knight Rayearth
Shining the holy Ark
Panzer Dragoon
Virtual Hydlide f*ck All Of You
Tomb Raider
Astal
LinkleLiver Story
there's a bunch of cool shit that's not an arcade game.
Saturn is great.
f*ck yeah Saturn.
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The world would be a better place with $0.99 starting bid no reserve auctions.
This
I dream of this every day.
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*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.
Woah woah woah! Iron Storm, Sega Ages, and MKR are all good too!
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no denying the Saturn was home to a lot of excellent games. Should a sane person pay outrageous $ for shinny (and not so) original discs? Hell no.
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Magic Knight Rayearth
Shining the holy Ark
Panzer Dragoon
Virtual Hydlide f*ck All Of You
Tomb Raider
Astal
LinkleLiver Story
there's a bunch of cool shit that's not an arcade game.
Saturn is great.
f*ck yeah Saturn.
I agree, f*ck yeah saturn. Growing up and chasing the dragon of final fantasy tactics I loved Mystaria and Shining Force III (never bought it though, so I don't own that beast of a game).
I also loved action RPGs so you can add legend of oasis and shining wisdom to that list. Wisdom was weak, but still a lot of fun.
And I really enjoyed albert odyssey too - I thought it was awesome.
Galactic Attack was one of the only 32 bit shooters I had for a long time, and grew a great fondness for it.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would think that the saturn is weak, even when limiting it to exclusives and not ports - but ports included it's leagues better than the contemporaries aside from ps1. Was n64 better? really? or 3do? wait.. isn't jaguar in this same era? come on, be realistic.
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Keep talking about the good games, I'm getting my modded Saturn soon and need games to burn.
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Keep talking about the good games, I'm getting my modded Saturn soon and need games to burn.
If you like resident evil games get Deep Fear on saturn. Came out in Europe and Japan but there is a NTSC prototype that runs great on a US system. I have always liked this game because it reminds me of the movie the Abyss. The voice acting is super bad and overall a good RE clone.
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I haven't read through this whole thread, but:
yes, saturn games have gone nuts. My last 3 times to japan, the shelves have practically been bare. there's just no product left in the country. I have generally gotten good deals across the years, and never got rid of much, but everything is going for crazy amounts. I wanted to get Powerslave a bit ago, and I saw it for $60 on amazon and thought, "eh, do I want it that badly?" Well, now it's $300.
Saturn and PC Engine are both rising to astranomical prices, probably due to the fact they weren't that popular, and have gotten discovered by collectors in the last 5 years.
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When I was importing great SS and PCE games for less than $1 each I sorta wondered if this would eventually happen...and it did. They ran out.
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Everyone needs be be loading up on PS3 and 360 games now, before the inevitable, "have all PS3 and 360 games tripled or what?" thread in 2022.
The key is to buy stuff because it is good and not because everyone else is buying it. There is also a sweet spot when a system is no longer the new thing, but isn't nostalgic yet.
I loved Saturn since my rich friend got one for Christmas at launch. I finally got mine two years after him and I picked up a game or two every month for a decade, mostly everything dirt cheap. I actually played Sonic R yesterday and out of the game came a EB receipt for $6 brand new, August 22, 1999.
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Despite its clunky controls I really like Sonic R...
"Livin in the city...!"
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The key is to buy stuff because it is good and not because everyone else is buying it. There is also a sweet spot when a system is no longer the new thing, but isn't nostalgic yet.
That nail's head has to be in a lot of pain from hitting it so hard.
Only a couple games I've had to pay even close to MSRP + Inflation for my nostalgic tickles, and the ones that are higher than that then boo hoo I have to play a backup/emulated version if I really want to play it.
I do think often there are just so many games it's hard to you are missing a current game you might enjoy, so by the time you find out about it it's already expensive.
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What I'm collecting now: CD. Audio CD. It's a scene of almost no $$$ worth whatsoever despite the fact that it's objectively the best music format ever. Everyone dumped it for MP3 and now wax...which is hilarious to me because people did the exact opposite of that in the 80s and 90s.
There are about 100 CD singles I didn't get in the 90s because US stores wanted $13 for a £3 CD and I could only afford so many when being fleeced like that. Now they are all $1. It can only go up.
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I do think often there are just so many games it's hard to you are missing a current game you might enjoy, so by the time you find out about it it's already expensive.
During the PS2 era this was certainly the case, and it's a serious issue with the web stores for iOS and Nintendo. With physical releases now though I'd say it's pretty easy to keep track since almost everything sucks ass.
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What I'm collecting now: CD. Audio CD. It's a scene of almost no $$$ worth whatsoever despite the fact that it's objectively the best music format ever. Everyone dumped it for MP3 and now wax...which is hilarious to me because people did the exact opposite of that in the 80s and 90s.
There are about 100 CD singles I didn't get in the 90s because US stores wanted $13 for a £3 CD and I could only afford so many when being fleeced like that. Now they are all $1. It can only go up.
Plus, so many albums have been re-released with bonus tracks (from singles/EPs...demos....love shows)... I am thinking about buying these re-releases if they are cheap enough...even if I own the original release.
Yeah, I have problems.
I should buy albums I have never owned.
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Yeah, some really great 2CD reissues of things have turned up in recent years. That's probably the stuff that will be much harder to find in the future compared to the early recordings though since sales have been so bad for CD recently. Shit from 1996 got stamped in ridiculous quantities though.
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Regarding Audio CDs, you guys are so right. For a decade now, I'm trying to gather 2nd hand CDs of music I like, and even some new releases get cheap within months.
If an album gets re-released in re-mastered form, I usually try to get the original vintage release instead. Blame it on the fear of loudness war.
Also, I sometimes treat me to some used vinyl records, but that's only for fun. They need to be so dirt cheap that I don't care if one of the purchases begins to skip on my record player setup.
Edit: Regarding the Saturn, mhm... On the one hand, this is a console I'd like to get my hands on, because the hardware appearance looks pretty nice, and there are some exclusive titles I'd like to play. On the other hand, I already own some multiplatform titles like Konami's shooters for the PS1, so there's no real need for me to get into Saturn gaming.
I got Radiant Silvergun for Xbox 360. Honestly, I suck hard at this game and lost interest soon, so it is good that I paid just a few bucks for it.
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Regarding Audio CDs, you guys are so right. For a decade now, I'm trying to gather 2nd hand CDs of music I like, and even some new releases get cheap within months.
If an album gets re-released in re-mastered form, I usually try to get the original vintage release instead. Blame it on the fear of loudness war.
Also, I sometimes treat me to some used vinyl records, but that's only for fun. They need to be so dirt cheap that I don't care if one of the purchases begins to skip on my record player setup.
Edit: Regarding the Saturn, mhm... On the one hand, this is a console I'd like to get my hands on, because the hardware appearance looks pretty nice, and there are some exclusive titles I'd like to play. On the other hand, I already own some multiplatform titles like Konami's shooters for the PS1, so there's no real need for me to get into Saturn gaming.
I got Radiant Silvergun for Xbox 360. Honestly, I suck hard at this game and lost interest soon, so it is good that I paid just a few bucks for it.
I can see what ya mean in that case. I would definitely emulate it first just to see if it is up your alley.
Here are some saturn exclusive stuff that you could at least try out and see if you like it. Legend of the Oasis/The story of Thor 2, Astal, Tryrush Deppy, Super Tempo, ninpen manmaru, linkle liver story, nanatsu kaze no shima monogatari, Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru, crows, groove on fight, soukou seitokai. These are a few games that never got ported or put to anything else. I could have mentioned some others, but they have been on other platforms such as the fighters, and some of the taito games like liquid kids/mizubaku daibouken.
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I'll always have a Saturn for Guardian Heroes, Deathtank Zwei, and Bomberman SS. Those three games are easily enough.
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Did guys hear about Pseudo Saturn?
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The modded flashcart thingy right?
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Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.
Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works, but you loose backup capabilities).
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That why you buy another Cart
I hope no one is taking adventage and flashing Cart & jacking the price up
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Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.
Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works, but you loose backup capabilities).
Modchips are not yet extinct. There is a gent on Assembler who sells phenomenal chips that are made of new parts, work with all laser/mobo types, and are super easy to install. I highly recommend him.
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My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out.
I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games. I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.
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My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out.
I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games. I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.
Curious to see how you like it. I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.
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Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.
Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works, but you loose backup capabilities).
Modchips are not yet extinct. There is a gent on Assembler who sells phenomenal chips that are made of new parts, work with all laser/mobo types, and are super easy to install. I highly recommend him.
Please pm me more info. I love my model 1 Saturn but can't afford games for it lol
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My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out.
I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games. I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.
Curious to see how you like it. I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.
Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install. The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images. I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.
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Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.
Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works, but you loose backup capabilities).
Modchips are not yet extinct. There is a gent on Assembler who sells phenomenal chips that are made of new parts, work with all laser/mobo types, and are super easy to install. I highly recommend him.
Just saw the thread, wow. Glad to see these exist, are still being made and are super affordable.
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My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out.
I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games. I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.
Curious to see how you like it. I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.
Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install. The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images. I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.
Good to hear. Do you know if anyone has developed a menu system for it yet the way they did for the GDEMU?
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My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out.
I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games. I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.
Curious to see how you like it. I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.
Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install. The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images. I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.
Good to hear. Do you know if anyone has developed a menu system for it yet the way they did for the GDEMU?
Yes, some guys on assembler made a menu and it works great. You just add it as the first folder in your sd card. System boots and auto shows the menu. When you select a game it reboots the system and starts the game. It works really well.
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My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out.
I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games. I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.
Curious to see how you like it. I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.
Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install. The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images. I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.
Good to hear. Do you know if anyone has developed a menu system for it yet the way they did for the GDEMU?
Yes, some guys on assembler made a menu and it works great. You just add it as the first folder in your sd card. System boots and auto shows the menu. When you select a game it reboots the system and starts the game. It works really well.
Cool. I'll definitely have to pick one up one of these days.