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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: sanjo on October 09, 2016, 02:48:37 AM
Title: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: sanjo on October 09, 2016, 02:48:37 AM
I've always felt the PCE was a very underrated console. Yet it did very well in Japan, if only people in the west knew more about these games, I think the PCE would be better appreciated. I certainly am learning a lot reading through this forum.
If one was to offer people who are familiar with Genesis titles a game that is similar (game play, theme, etc) on the PCE, what would you recommend? Focusing on exclusives only (so no Snatcher, Fatal Fury Special, Lords of Thunder, etc).
A list of top exclusives on the GEN/MD and what I think might be a good alternative on the PCE
Sonic series - ? Samurai Showdown - Martial Champion or Flash Hiders Shining Force Series - Louga series Phantasy Star Series - Cosmic Fantasy Series Gunstar Heroes - ? Streets of Rage - Crest of the Wolf Beyond Oasis - Ys 4 Crusader of Centy - Neutopia Comix Zone -- ? Ranger X - Spriggan Lunar - Legend of Xanadu Series Shinobi series - Kaze Kiri Castlevania bloodlines - Dracula X Monster World IV - Sol Moonarge Keio flying squadron - Sapphire? Sylphia? Mercs - Mystic Formula
Title: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: esteban on October 09, 2016, 06:00:50 AM
Well, the problem is that Shubibinman 3, which is a kindred to spirit to Gunstar Heroes (dare I say a *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes), is pathetically easy and therefore, ironically, the *antithesis* of Gunstar Heroes (which is challenging).
:)
Spriggan 2 = horizontal (and closer to Ranger X) Spriggan 1 = vertical and closer to MUSHA (series) Monster World IV ~ Dynastic Hero?
Anyway, I do like the spirit of this thread!
There might not really be a good analog for every MD game you listed... but it *is* a fun exercise.
ONE CAVEAT: the problem with such a list is that it prioritizes the OTHER platform and creates the false impression that OTHER platform is *better*.
This is absurd, since PCE has its own strengths and stable of unique games.
THAT SAID, I can't wait to specific titles suggested :)
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 09, 2016, 06:08:35 AM
Gunstar Heroes is also pretty damn easy. Just throw, throw, throw.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: Otaking on October 09, 2016, 06:13:40 AM
nothing on Feka can compare to it - Hana Taka Daka nothing on Feka can compare to it - Dracula X nothing on Feka can compare to it - Soldier Blade
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: Black Tiger on October 09, 2016, 06:20:54 AM
The problem with your approach is that you're trying to match PCE games to games you picked for Genesis. One of the reasons that retro fans aren't familiar with much of the PCE library is that it has many more unique games which don't fit perfectly into cookie cutter genres and lots of games that casual gamers tend to not appreciate.
Then there is the language barrier for so many great games as well and too many current retro fans now think that having to use a walkthrough is somehow unacceptable, not matter how more text reading and menu management they often do in translated SFC RPGs.
So the only way to recommend a long list of games to someone is to first find out what their unique taste and tolerence is. If they have the popular attitude that there are only a handful of genres and games are supposed to play a certain way, it will be a very short list.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: lukester on October 09, 2016, 07:01:53 AM
Kinda surprised this resource has never been mentioned on the forum.
This is a great example of the problem I described. People sorting games into some of those broad genre titles are going to be very disappointed if they randomly pick the ones which don't play anything like the genre.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: esteban on October 09, 2016, 07:57:31 AM
Kinda surprised this resource has never been mentioned on the forum.
This is a great example of the problem I described. People sorting games into some of those broad genre titles are going to be very disappointed if they randomly pick the ones which don't play anything like the genre.
Good grief BT.
I was going to criticize your smug argument, but I instead gave exactly what you wanted. Long lists of the best games. With not just genre, but even short descriptions that explain unique differences. I actually tried to support you for once and yet you are on your high horse again.
Please, Give some examples of how you want games to be recommended on this forum. I'm no mind reader. The old saying goes "if you want something done, you just gotta do it yourself"
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: TR0N on October 09, 2016, 05:42:53 PM
Well, the problem is that Shubibinman 3, which is a kindred to spirit to Gunstar Heroes (dare I say a *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes), is pathetically easy and therefore, ironically, the *antithesis* of Gunstar Heroes (which is challenging).
:)
Gunstar Heroes challenging !? Not really if you know how to play it.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: MrBroadway on October 09, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
nothing on Feka can compare to it - Hana Taka Daka nothing on Feka can compare to it - Dracula X nothing on Feka can compare to it - Soldier Blade
Nothing on Feka can compare to Ninja Spirit. Quite a few things compare to Soldier Blade, just not as well.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: crazydean on October 09, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I'm just gonna come out and say it...Sonic sucks and there's no reason for there to be an entire series of games. Therefore, there is no reason for a comparable title on the PCE.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: sanjo on October 09, 2016, 08:32:57 PM
Kinda surprised this resource has never been mentioned on the forum.
This is a great example of the problem I described. People sorting games into some of those broad genre titles are going to be very disappointed if they randomly pick the ones which don't play anything like the genre.
I don't disagree, they're not supposed to be exactly the same. but its supposed to use something familiar to introduce people some one to something that has some similarity (game play, genre, or theme).
As for Sonic, not looking for something that plays like Sonic, but very good and fun platformer. The only one I can think is the Bonk series.
Title: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: esteban on October 09, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Well, the problem is that Shubibinman 3, which is a kindred to spirit to Gunstar Heroes (dare I say a *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes), is pathetically easy and therefore, ironically, the *antithesis* of Gunstar Heroes (which is challenging).
:)
Gunstar Heroes challenging !? Not really if you know how to play it.
Did you see my response to SuperDeadite? :)
My comment was in reference/comparison to Shubibinman 3... Shubibinman 3 makes Gunstar Heroes feel "Hard Corps." :)
I am *eviscerating* Shubibinman 3 because it is such a disappointment (you don't have to touch the controller and you will beat Shubibinman 3 on first try).
I know I tend to exaggerate, but I don't think I am when I say...
Quote
Shubibinman 3 = Shenanigan x3
...because it is insultingly too short and too easy (especially given the challenge of the first two Shubibinman games).
:)
TO BE HONEST: I thought my claim that Shubibinman 3 = the *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes (I haven't even looked up release dates) was the outrageous claim I was going to have a hard time defending!
:)
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: sanjo on October 10, 2016, 01:35:02 AM
I might be in the minority but when I tried Shubibinman 3, the first two things I thought of were Megaman and Actraiser. the way he swings the sword in particular, reminded me of actraiser.
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: technozombie on October 10, 2016, 02:11:46 AM
I would tend to agree that if you were trying to "sell" someone on a console it's best to go on the merits of its original and invidual games. Using the "me too" approach so sells people on the TG16/PCE is a bit like the ranger rover evoque clone from China. It will never be the reall thing. The difference is that the PCE is the real thing and did it first. Hopefully my point is clear, it's a pain typing on my phone.
That being said, it is nice to have a list of comparative games.
TO BE HONEST: I thought my claim that Shubibinman 3 = the *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes (I haven't even looked up release dates) was the outrageous claim I was going to have a hard time defending!
:)
TBH I thought I was the only one thinking that way :)
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: esteban on October 10, 2016, 04:06:18 AM
I might be in the minority but when I tried Shubibinman 3, the first two things I thought of were Megaman and Actraiser. the way he swings the sword in particular, reminded me of actraiser.
Well, you're not off-base with Megaman... lots of folks make that comparison (especially with Shubibinman 2, which was released as "Shockman" in NA)... I think TTi was hoping that folks would associate it with Megaman.
In fact, I have a theory that the only reason the PIECE OF SHITE known as *Bravoman* was released here in the States is because NEC was hoping it was *reminiscent* of Megaman.
Which, actually, comes back to the spirit of this thread.
TO BE HONEST: I thought my claim that Shubibinman 3 = the *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes (I haven't even looked up release dates) was the outrageous claim I was going to have a hard time defending!
:)
TBH I thought I was the only one thinking that way :)
I was prepared to employ lots of irrelevant "evidence" to prop up my argument, too. Ha!
Oh well... :)
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: EmperorIng on October 10, 2016, 07:50:41 AM
Well, the problem is that Shubibinman 3, which is a kindred to spirit to Gunstar Heroes (dare I say a *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes), is pathetically easy and therefore, ironically, the *antithesis* of Gunstar Heroes (which is challenging).
:)
Gunstar Heroes challenging !? Not really if you know how to play it.
Did you see my response to SuperDeadite? :)
My comment was in reference/comparison to Shubibinman 3... Shubibinman 3 makes Gunstar Heroes feel "Hard Corps." :)
I am *eviscerating* Shubibinman 3 because it is such a disappointment (you don't have to touch the controller and you will beat Shubibinman 3 on first try).
I know I tend to exaggerate, but I don't think I am when I say...
Quote
Shubibinman 3 = Shenanigan x3
...because it is insultingly too short and too easy (especially given the challenge of the first two Shubibinman games).
:)
TO BE HONEST: I thought my claim that Shubibinman 3 = the *precursor* to Gunstar Heroes (I haven't even looked up release dates) was the outrageous claim I was going to have a hard time defending!
:)
I didn't make the connection so you had me lost on the comment.I saw you said gunstar heroes was challenging which left me scratching my head as in what !?
Title: Re: Trying to create a list of PCE alternatives to GEN/MD top exclusives
Post by: esteban on October 13, 2016, 01:03:22 PM