A fun video. Definitely true too, I just wish the CD-i would've been in first place.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on May 21, 2007, 04:52:32 AM
Muwahahahaha! The R-Zone "made the Virtual Boy look like a Playstation 7". :lol:
Nice list, but I think that the Nuon deserves a spot more than the 3DO. Sure the 3DO was insanely expensive, but at least it had quite a few good games. They say that it was trounced by the Playstation, but you'd hope that something released nearly two years later would be better and cheaper. The 3DO was too expensive to compete with the 16 bitters, and it was released too early to compete with the 32 bitters. If high price alone is enough to make their list, they should have added the Laseractive.
Now what does Seldane wish? Come on man, finish your damn thought! :)
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 21, 2007, 06:04:09 AM
I can't really see any fault with the 3D0 except for the price. Return Fire is simply one of the funnest games ever made. It's on my top 10. The PSX version had different maps and looked a tad underdone graphics-wise. Also, The 3D0 also had, at the time, one of the best looking Super Ludacris Side Street Fighter Twin Turbo II Champion Dash Editions. Star Control also rocked.
There was on bad thing: Goldstar or Panasonic?
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 21, 2007, 06:24:18 AM
My wish is stated in the first post, it was just hidden so I wouldn't spoil the video for you guys. Highlight the text to read it (or look closely).
By the way, what is Nuon? I've read the name on here a few times, but I've never heard of it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on May 21, 2007, 07:04:53 AM
Tee-Hee, you got me Seldane! :lol:
The Nuon was an attempt to turn a DVD player into a gaming console. It was somewhat powerful and could produce roughly Playstation level graphics, but this was after release of the Dreamcast and shortly before the PS2. Not too surprisingly, it didn't receive much support from software developers (eight games and only four movies with Nuon content).
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 21, 2007, 07:33:36 AM
Isn't there some Panasonic/Gamecube thing??
Again, it was one of those "I heard in Japan, they have this..." type things.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 21, 2007, 09:20:43 AM
I don't think the Phantom should even be considered since it was never released. That right there disqualifies it. And can the 32X/Sega CD really be counted as consoles? I don't really think so. If they can, then they could also count the Arcade Card for the PC Engine which had far fewer good games than the Sega CD. Where is the Amiga CD-32? Or perhaps the Lynx?
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 21, 2007, 10:23:58 AM
I've always counted both the Mega-CD and the 32X as seperate consoles.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on May 21, 2007, 10:45:14 AM
Again, it was one of those "I heard in Japan, they have this..." type things.
The Panasonic Gamecube Q was produced under license from Nintendo and played Gamecube games (obviously) as well as audio CDs and DVDs. When the big N inked the deal with Matsushita (Panasonic) to supply the optical drives for the 'cubes, Panny was given the right to make their own 'enhanced' version.
I've always counted both the Mega-CD and the 32X as seperate consoles.
In my addled mind, the Sega CD is kinda in a gray area between new console and add on. It's not really a next generation leap over the Genesis (similar to the SuperGrafx's small improvement on the PC Engine or the FX chip for SNES games), but it does more than simply add CD storage capacity like the PCE CD or memory like the Arcade Card. The 32x added quite a bit to the Genesis and has to be counted as a separate console. Distinct console or peripheral - either way it was a piece of shit.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 21, 2007, 10:59:04 AM
Distinct console or peripheral - either way it was a piece of shit.
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 21, 2007, 01:49:41 PM
But you're required to have a Genesis for it to run. So it still falls into the peripheral category no matter how much it does for the system.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on May 21, 2007, 02:05:44 PM
My thoughts:
First of all, you can't bash a console that doesn't exist. And you especially can't put it ahead of consoles that do exist and have good games (Sega CD/32X/3D0). Second, 3 of the systems mentioned (did they intend R-zone and Game.com to share one spot?) were portables. portables are not consoles. =; Third, While I have never played a gizmondo, there is no way that it can be worse than CD-i. just cannot be.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Tatsujin on May 21, 2007, 02:43:56 PM
totally agree with guyjin. this list is a pure joke which i can't take seriously. nobody should. it's a shame for the time they spent on that report. as well as for our time who watched that crap.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: nodtveidt on May 21, 2007, 04:56:11 PM
I think the list was pretty spot-on.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: TR0N on May 21, 2007, 05:13:28 PM
Agreed, expect for the sega-cd etc since i see it as a add on and not a console.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: nodtveidt on May 21, 2007, 05:35:39 PM
Yeah, the Sega CD one could go both ways I guess. I guess you could call it a hybrid console. Although, there are quite a few Sega CD games I enjoy...Dark Wizard, Lunar TSS, Vay...games that were either never seen again or later ported in horrible ways (like Lunar...UGH, YOU BASTARDS SHOULD HAVE LEFT IT ALONE, IT WAS PERFECT AND YOU f*ckED IT UP!).
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: MrFulci on May 21, 2007, 05:46:09 PM
Nice to see the 5200 controllers featured. They really were pretty easy to break.
The Sega CD wasn't as bad as the video make sit out to be. It just didn't have a good price-point and enough software out there for it to really catch on. It would have been nice if there has been more support behind it, and the hardware had a lower price earlier on.
32X I can't defend.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: GUTS on May 21, 2007, 07:18:40 PM
Anybody who thinks the Sega CD should be on a top "worst consoles" list is a complete f*cktard and should never have anything else they say taken seriously for as long as they live.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 21, 2007, 11:32:57 PM
Agreed, expect for the sega-cd etc since i see it as a add on and not a console.
What everybody means when they say "bad console" is actually the software library available for said console. Ignore the hardware, it's all about the games. The Mega-CD game library sucks, and therefore it is on this list. While there are a handful of Mega-CD games worth playing, it does qualify for this list.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 22, 2007, 07:17:21 AM
Nope. You are wrong.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 22, 2007, 08:37:34 AM
Yes. He is way wrong. :) Sega CD kicks ass!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on May 22, 2007, 09:17:42 AM
Anybody who thinks the Sega CD should be on a top "worst consoles" list is a complete f*cktard and should never have anything else they say taken seriously for as long as they live.
This stipulation was on my scholarship memorandum at Harvard.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 22, 2007, 10:28:57 AM
Mega-CD is a cool system to be sure, but it lacks playable games.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Hobo Xiphas on May 22, 2007, 10:40:39 AM
Quite frankly, just having an English translated version of Snatcher for the console/add-on makes Sega CD not suck.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 22, 2007, 10:48:38 AM
Mega-CD is a cool system to be sure, but it lacks playable games.
What makes a game like Lunar unplayable :P ? It plays just as well as any RPG.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 22, 2007, 10:56:10 AM
Lunar 2 is even more playable! Oh! And Soul Star is neat along with the driving portions of Batman Returns. Road Avenger, despite being FMV, is pure awesomeness just due to the insanity it offers... driving up the stairs of a hotel and destroying at least 3 helicopters throughout the course of the game with your car!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 22, 2007, 10:59:09 AM
Plus Sega CD has the best game ever made - SEWER SHARK!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Ultra Luigi on May 22, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
I still love my Virtual Boy. Headaches or not, it had some great games.
I never knew the 3DO was 700 when it first came out. I was shocked as well when they mentioned that Return Fire is considered one of the best games for it. That’s one of the few games I have for it, but I just picked it all up at a flea market about a year ago. I guess I should check it out.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Michael Helgeson on May 22, 2007, 01:53:34 PM
Lunar 2 is even more playable! Oh! And Soul Star is neat along with the driving portions of Batman Returns. Road Avenger, despite being FMV, is pure awesomeness just due to the insanity it offers... driving up the stairs of a hotel and destroying at least 3 helicopters throughout the course of the game with your car!
I love the horrible music during the intro to Road Avenger. The guy sounds horribly drunk. That game is just great,one of the best handling FMV games,at times does not even feel like one,because it tends to have you interact with the controls so much.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: TR0N on May 22, 2007, 02:43:12 PM
I still love my Virtual Boy. Headaches or not, it had some great games.
I never knew the 3DO was 700 when it first came out. I was shocked as well when they mentioned that Return Fire is considered one of the best games for it. That’s one of the few games I have for it, but I just picked it all up at a flea market about a year ago. I guess I should check it out.
Grab a buddy and play some Return Fire on the 3D0.
Games everyone should play:
Invisible Tank Pong - COMBAT(Atari 2600) Goldeneye (N64) Ys Book I & II (duh) Metal Gear Solid (PSX) and Return Fire (3D0) - Vs mode is tops.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: GUTS on May 22, 2007, 05:14:37 PM
Road Avenger is the best FMV game ever made. The first time I played it I was tapping directions like Dragon's Lair and I kept dying, but once I figured out I had to hold them as though I was actually controlling the car I couldn't believe how awesome the game was. Man that game rules, and the Sega CD version is the best because it has the kickass intro song that for some reason no other version has.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 22, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
I must play this Road Avenger.
Actually that Interstellar LASER Fantasy still has to be the best FMV game ever made and best game period. Someday I will finally play that beautiful game.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Michael Helgeson on May 23, 2007, 02:09:33 AM
Man your really missing out having not played Road Avenger. I love how the whole game has the Mad Max feel in it,with the car looking like a red V8 Interceptor,you wanting to kill a street gang after they kill your wife,similar to what happened in Mad Max,and the obvious look of you character if you make it to the last scene,he even looks alot like Max. Still think its funny the first car you kill off is a Fairlady Z,a popular car at the time this game was released in the arcade on LD back in the early 80ies.
http://justgamesretro.com/SEGACD/roadavenger.html
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 23, 2007, 02:34:35 AM
I used to play Return Fire (for PC) with a friend. It was fun, but the music sucked.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 23, 2007, 04:07:14 AM
I used to play Return Fire (for PC) with a friend. It was fun, but the music sucked.
3D0 is where the money's at. I don't know about the PC, but the 3D0 version had some aptly associated classical tunes. Name me one other video game where you get to go tear-assing around Nam, er a map, in a Helicopter while 'Ride of the Valkyrie' is blaring along.
"Flight of the bumble bee" to accompany your "holy crap this thing is fast" dash in a Willys Jeep.
"In the hall of the mountain King" when laying waste to the enemy's fortification with a tank.
I've got goosebumps now!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on May 23, 2007, 05:15:27 AM
Ooo, didn't know that return fire had classical music... The only games I can remember that had classical music in them were Gyruss and Tetris. What other games do you know of that have classical music in them?
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on May 23, 2007, 07:35:06 AM
Ooo, didn't know that return fire had classical music... The only games I can remember that had classical music in them were Gyruss and Tetris. What other games do you know of that have classical music in them?
I'll stick an obvious one in here - Loom.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 23, 2007, 07:55:48 AM
Ooo, didn't know that return fire had classical music... The only games I can remember that had classical music in them were Gyruss and Tetris. What other games do you know of that have classical music in them?
Off hand I can't remember any others, although I'm sure there are others besides the terd biscuit Lucas Arts gave to the Turbo.
I'll probably remember ten others in a couple minutes...
I LOVE THE SMELL OF NAPALM IN THE MORNING. THAT GASOLINE SMELL... IT SMELLS LIKE, LIKE VICTORY.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 23, 2007, 12:35:40 PM
Ooo, didn't know that return fire had classical music... The only games I can remember that had classical music in them were Gyruss and Tetris. What other games do you know of that have classical music in them?
Parodius
Neo Nectaris
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 23, 2007, 12:43:30 PM
Anybody who thinks the Sega CD should be on a top "worst consoles" list is a complete f*cktard and should never have anything else they say taken seriously for as long as they live.
Although I don't count the Sega-CD as a unique console, I think its reasonable to count the 32X as one. They were even going to release it as a stand alone console. It would've had Genesis guts inside of it, but the Genesis also had SMS guts inside of it.
As for Sega-CD software, even if you only count North American games, the Sega-CD has a better library of games I like than some mainstream/successful consoles. Anyone truly familiar with the Sega-CD catalogue should consider it equal to or greater than the N64 library, no matter how jaded they might be.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 23, 2007, 01:52:05 PM
As for Sega-CD software, even if you only count North American games, the Sega-CD has a better library of games I like than some mainstream/successful consoles. Anyone truly familiar with the Sega-CD catalogue should consider it equal to or greater than the N64 library, no matter how jaded they might be.
Yeah, if we were to judge consoles for the amount of bad games they had, then popular consoles like the Playstation would be clear winners just because of all the crappy licensed games alone.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 23, 2007, 02:51:08 PM
As for Sega-CD software, even if you only count North American games, the Sega-CD has a better library of games I like than some mainstream/successful consoles. Anyone truly familiar with the Sega-CD catalogue should consider it equal to or greater than the N64 library, no matter how jaded they might be.
Yeah, if we were to judge consoles for the amount of bad games they had, then popular consoles like the Playstation would be clear winners just because of all the crappy licensed games alone.
I'm fine with tons of garbage games, all I care about is having enough enjoyable games for a console.
Off the top of my head, the PC-FX is the only console I can think of that I haven't found much to like game-wise so far.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on May 23, 2007, 04:49:32 PM
Me, I can't stand systems that have tons of games that are mostly garbage. I want to be able to pick up a random game off the shelf and have the chances be good that it will be enjoyable.
This is not the case with systems like the CD-i, 2600, and everything that has ever carried the 'playstation' name. therefore I hate them. (except for the 2600, because the games are so cheap by now the quality to quantity ratio is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: GUTS on May 23, 2007, 04:55:26 PM
Playstation 2 has probably the greatest library of games of all time, how can you hate the PS2? By that logic you must absolutely loathe the N64, Gamecube and Wii.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 23, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
We were saying how popular systems like Playstation have tons of licensed games, which are usually crap. Therefore it's not fair to judge a system by the amount of bad games it has.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 23, 2007, 05:50:47 PM
We were saying how popular systems like Playstation have tons of licensed games, which are usually crap. Therefore it's not fair to judge a system by the amount of bad games it has.
I f*cking hate rationalizing, but he's got a point. More kids die each year playing little league baseball than guys drowning while King Crabbing in Alaska. Which is most likely to kill you?
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Hobo Xiphas on May 23, 2007, 08:10:20 PM
Soccer
But seriously, the PS2 has a great library if you have the skill to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 23, 2007, 09:30:19 PM
We were saying how popular systems like Playstation have tons of licensed games, which are usually crap. Therefore it's not fair to judge a system by the amount of bad games it has.
Who cares about that? You only play the good games. 95% of the game library always sucks, regardless of console, and when the game library consists of 100 games (Mega-CD) or 5000 games (PS2), I'd say the PS2 is sliiiiiiiightly better. :roll:
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 23, 2007, 09:40:42 PM
Personally I'll take Sega CD over PS2 anyday as PS2 games have never really appealed to me. I do love the Sega Ages remake of Fantasy Zone though!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 23, 2007, 09:48:40 PM
Even the PS1 is better than the Mega-CD.
...And the PS1 is not good!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 24, 2007, 05:13:46 AM
I never understood "this console sucks" "this console rocks" I've always thrown those comments into the land of Fan-boyism.
There will always be the obvious hardware configuration differences. Like the loser that accausted my father and I while looking at the PS3 demo. "sony lied, the refresh rate of true 1080P is 60MHz and the PS3 is only 20MHz." The guy walked away and my dad and I shared a SGI joke from the early 90's. (Silicon Graphics machines).
Games make the system, Period. Regardless of system cost, configuration, and controller interface. The way companies market and distribute games on their corresponding systems always leaves something to be desired (for more info, read up on a system called the TURBO GRAFX-16).
There is a game for just about every major console release that I love (yet the TG-16 will always be #1 in my heart) and everyone should play. A gamer should embrace all things gaming, yes - even be tolerant of sports games. If you disallow yourself to play a game because "it's on a console I hate" then Babbette, (you need to) get a clue! You're not a gamer, you're a straight up blind loyalist.
Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I encourage all to share them. I'm just trying to help people from looking ig-nant when they do it.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: GUTS on May 24, 2007, 07:57:40 AM
No I was talking to the guy who hated anything Sony because there is a lot of crap on those systems. When you have a system like the Ps2 with 1000+ games you're going to have a way higher number of crap games, but you're also going to have TONS more good games since everybody makes games for it. The PS2 has more quality titles than probably any other console ever released, I mean there's just so much variety with RPGs, shooters, 2D fighers, everything you could possibly think of. I just can't fathom someone hating the PS2 and being able to love any other system, it seems like the PS2 would be the one system that everybody could agree rules.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 24, 2007, 08:26:50 AM
I just wished my slimline PS2 played Puzzle Fighter :-({|=
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on May 24, 2007, 08:44:24 AM
Me, I can't stand systems that have tons of games that are mostly garbage. I want to be able to pick up a random game off the shelf and have the chances be good that it will be enjoyable.
This is not the case with systems like the CD-i, 2600, and everything that has ever carried the 'playstation' name. therefore I hate them. (except for the 2600, because the games are so cheap by now the quality to quantity ratio is irrelevant.
So don't buy every game for the system - problem solved. If you only stock your shelves with quality games, you'll always pick a good one. Admittedly, this will be nearly impossible to do with a CD-I (even with an extremely small shelf).
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 24, 2007, 09:21:44 AM
What everybody means when they say "bad console" is actually the software library available for said console. Ignore the hardware, it's all about the games. The Mega-CD game library sucks, and therefore it is on this list. While there are a handful of Mega-CD games worth playing, it does qualify for this list.
I agree that fanboyism is stupid, but that's just how people work. They will favor what they have themselves, and at least in some cases, diss what they don't.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on May 24, 2007, 09:25:22 AM
No I was talking to the guy who hated anything Sony because there is a lot of crap on those systems. When you have a system like the Ps2 with 1000+ games you're going to have a way higher number of crap games, but you're also going to have TONS more good games since everybody makes games for it.
Unfortunately, most of the good games never get to the budget bin, which is where I buy most of my games. So, to me, the good:crap ratio does matter.
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The PS2 has more quality titles than probably any other console ever released, I mean there's just so much variety with RPGs, shooters, 2D fighers, everything you could possibly think of. I just can't fathom someone hating the PS2 and being able to love any other system, it seems like the PS2 would be the one system that everybody could agree rules.
Its not that there aren't good games for it; I worship the ground beneath Katamari Damacy. But that's the problem; With the exception of KD, it's so mainstream it doesn't get the odd niche titles. Also, it doesn't have the first party titles I care about, like the Dreamcast and Gamecube did.
Also, I'm still a little pissed about the DC going away, so I'm still holding a grudge against Sony for that. If that makes me a fanboy, fine. I'm perfectly satisfied as a gamer without owning a playstation.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 24, 2007, 09:27:24 AM
Dude, it's the PS2 that GETS the niche titles. There are TONS of them! Looks like you don't know anything about the PS2. Get one today.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on May 24, 2007, 10:22:55 AM
Only slightly less annoying to me than fan boyism, "I only like niche, unknown, obscure games." But don't get in that rut simple because of the price! It' also been my experience your Valkyrie Profiles, Vagrant Stories, Orge Tactics, and other gems are more expensive in the used market.
I hear you though about the cost of games. To compensate, I've befriended the local gamestop boys and it's handy getting first dibs at used titles (I'm Turbo-Dude). That's the only way I can roll with the current systems, USED. Money's not the issue, it's just the principle. It sucks not playing Final Fanstasy XUIOH:KLJCCXXIII when everyone else is, but in a year us budget minded gamers can enjoy it.
I did I just call myself budget minded?? I just dropped $30 on Air Zonk!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 24, 2007, 11:57:04 AM
What everybody means when they say "bad console" is actually the software library available for said console. Ignore the hardware, it's all about the games. The Mega-CD game library sucks, and therefore it is on this list. While there are a handful of Mega-CD games worth playing, it does qualify for this list.
I agree that fanboyism is stupid, but that's just how people work. They will favor what they have themselves, and at least in some cases, diss what they don't.
The Sega/Mega-CD has at least 80 games worth playing-
http://www.sega-16.com/Sega%20CD%20list%20page.php (http://www.sega-16.com/Sega CD list page.php)
Thats makes a pretty good library.
I can see how many people might not like PS2 or any other console. No one has to like anything. But you should have a good reason to hate something.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 24, 2007, 12:10:22 PM
I found 13 games that I like like in that list (I did not include the few games that I "like" for other reasons than them being good, like Fhey Area). And yeah, I've played most of the games released for that console (except most of the fmv games as well as several japanese games with really odd titles). I played a LOT of Mega-CD back in 2003 or something. I don't hate the Mega-CD, but I don't think it even remotely features a solid library of games.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Michael Helgeson on May 24, 2007, 12:12:46 PM
No I was talking to the guy who hated anything Sony because there is a lot of crap on those systems. When you have a system like the Ps2 with 1000+ games you're going to have a way higher number of crap games, but you're also going to have TONS more good games since everybody makes games for it. The PS2 has more quality titles than probably any other console ever released, I mean there's just so much variety with RPGs, shooters, 2D fighers, everything you could possibly think of. I just can't fathom someone hating the PS2 and being able to love any other system, it seems like the PS2 would be the one system that everybody could agree rules.
You make a excellent point. My main thing is,I can easily acknowledge the fact the PS2 does indeed have a excellent library of titles,I hate the system itself because of the poor hardware design. This has nothing to do with the graphics capabilities either. Its the simple fact the system defect rate on it is extremely high. it does not seem to matter if it is the slim line or any of the original larger revisions,the systems laser eye,or other parts of the drive die out easily,and the fan on the older larger revisions was too small,and too slow on the RPM to keep it cool enough,and the venting was designed poorly and dust filled it to death,and was a pain to blow out well enough.
Sony builds these systems to die,just as they did the PS1,because they know that the system will die most likely around the time they start to turn profit on the hardware,and they can get a resale on it and keep you going on the platform. Sony is the only manufacturer of a system I have purchased that has died in 3 months,and has managed to repeat this process for over 12 years,and get away with it with only minor class action lawsuits. Part of my entertainment needs and fun are met via reliable hardware. Because of this I will tend to stick to hardware known to last,even if it has a smaller library,like the Saturn did over here and because I know I can increase the size of the available library by importing.
nuff said
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Michael Helgeson on May 24, 2007, 12:16:40 PM
I found 13 games that I like like in that list (I did not include the few games that I "like" for other reasons than them being good, like Fhey Area). And yeah, I've played most of the games released for that console (except most of the fmv games as well as several japanese games with really odd titles). I played a LOT of Mega-CD back in 2003 or something. I don't hate the Mega-CD, but I don't think it even remotely features a solid library of games.
When I can find 25-35 titles I know I enjoy and want to own,and will continue to enjoy,on a platform well over 10 years old,with many of these titles being classics,I feel the library released is solid. But,thats just my feelings on that,and not how the overall scope of users will feel like,nor will they enjoy everything I enjoy.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 24, 2007, 12:52:15 PM
Michael, you forgot that by selling replacement consoles for ones that have died after warranty Sony (and maybe even Microsoft these days) can increase their "installed user base" to make it seem like there are more console owners than there actually are. This works great when courting companies trying to get exclusives and the such.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Michael Helgeson on May 24, 2007, 01:34:41 PM
Michael, you forgot that by selling replacement consoles for ones that have died after warranty Sony (and maybe even Microsoft these days) can increase their "installed user base" to make it seem like there are more console owners than there actually are. This works great when courting companies trying to get exclusives and the such.
I think most major game companies are wise up on that now since PS1 days. I think it does play a factor however,and is a good point,but the installed user base of PS 2 was massive even before the masses of defect units started to come up,other then the original Japanese unit release date recall from the electrical fires.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 24, 2007, 01:49:52 PM
I found 13 games that I like like in that list (I did not include the few games that I "like" for other reasons than them being good, like Fhey Area). And yeah, I've played most of the games released for that console (except most of the fmv games as well as several japanese games with really odd titles). I played a LOT of Mega-CD back in 2003 or something. I don't hate the Mega-CD, but I don't think it even remotely features a solid library of games.
When I can find 25-35 titles I know I enjoy and want to own,and will continue to enjoy,on a platform well over 10 years old,with many of these titles being classics,I feel the library released is solid. But,thats just my feelings on that,and not how the overall scope of users will feel like,nor will they enjoy everything I enjoy.
I'm happy with even 6 fun games for a console. But even if there are only 2 or 3 I want to play, its still worth it to me to pick up a retro system if the price is reasonable.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on May 24, 2007, 04:40:01 PM
I agree with Black_Tiger, I can enjoy a system even with a very small amount of good games, like the PC-FX.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: nat on May 24, 2007, 04:53:24 PM
I think the PC-FX easliy has more than 6 worthwhile, fun games.
At least twice that, maybe closer to 20.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: nodtveidt on May 25, 2007, 01:17:04 AM
I do love the Sega Ages remake of Fantasy Zone though!
I don't. The game locks up all the time and is full of flakey flaws. Most of the rest of the games on that disc suck ass, ESPECIALLY their half-assed attempt at a remake of Golden Axe. I plan on trading in my copy of the disc.
Buying a console for a few good games isn't a bad thing. I originally bought the PS2 for Smackdown 4. My library hasn't grown much since then, I can count the number of PS2 games I own on my fingers and have spare change. I'm gonna buy a Saturn for a single game. I want an Xbox for one single game. I also want a Gamecube for a single game (or a Wii I guess, since it runs GC software). So it's not such a bad thing.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 25, 2007, 01:32:56 AM
I do love the Sega Ages remake of Fantasy Zone though!
I don't. The game locks up all the time and is full of flakey flaws. Most of the rest of the games on that disc suck ass, ESPECIALLY their half-assed attempt at a remake of Golden Axe. I plan on trading in my copy of the disc.
Buying a console for a few good games isn't a bad thing. I originally bought the PS2 for Smackdown 4. My library hasn't grown much since then, I can count the number of PS2 games I own on my fingers and have spare change. I'm gonna buy a Saturn for a single game. I want an Xbox for one single game. I also want a Gamecube for a single game (or a Wii I guess, since it runs GC software). So it's not such a bad thing.
I wanted to buy a PS2 to play Tengai Makyou III. Before I had a chance my girlfriend gave me one for X-Mas, I bought the game and have been happy with the system ever since. The only other games I have for it are Ys I & II, ys III, Taito Coll 2, Tengai Makyou II and Wonderboy Coll though. But thats enough to justify the console for me(I still want the Phantasy Star remake).
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on May 25, 2007, 01:46:34 AM
I guess I don't work that way. I've bought consoles a handful or fewer games before, and I've always come to regret it (PS1 for Symphony of the Night, Gamecube for Zelda TWW, etc)... :P I actually bought my Mega-CD for Popful Mail, I didn't really like it that much, (too hard) :P but I found other enjoyable games for it, and I definitely do not regret that.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on May 25, 2007, 12:21:56 PM
I guess I don't work that way. I've bought consoles a handful or fewer games before, and I've always come to regret it (PS1 for Symphony of the Night, Gamecube for Zelda TWW, etc)... :P I actually bought my Mega-CD for Popful Mail, I didn't really like it that much, (too hard) :P but I found other enjoyable games for it, and I definitely do not regret that.
The cheap difficulty of the Working Designs Popful Mail also turned me off. But I did make it to the Ice area.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 25, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
I beat the game! The ice place is pretty close to the end if I recall. The character just ran too close to the edge of the screen, making your reaction time to oncoming enemies and situations extremely small. Plus I'm sure WD added a ton of HP to each enemy, especially the bosses.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: RCduck7 on May 31, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
At the time the Sega CD came out i was more intrested in music and going out and when i played road avenger and an other type of this sort of game it made me turn my back on gaming for a a few years until the PS1 came out. That was the only time i was not into gaming anymore though. Now i know there are a few good games on it and many collectors see the mega CD in a worthwhile investment. But it's certainly not the worst console, the Philips CD-I maybe???
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Dark Fact on June 05, 2007, 08:46:33 AM
Well I checked that video out on the ten worst consoles and I definitely think it's a crock.
Okay, the Phantom? How could a system that never even got released and properly judged by gamers even make the list? Nobody knew how it played or what titles it got. Calling it worst is meaningless if it had no official release. I think the GT crew just got lazy with that one.
Philips CD-I? Well, that deserved it. One of the biggest black marks on Nintendo's career.
Ha ha! The N-Gage? Man, I feel sorry for anyone who bought that and think that they can use that as an official phone and organizer. [-X Let's not forget that the 3D games released for that were blocky crap.
Quote from: Joe Redifer
Michael, you forgot that by selling replacement consoles for ones that have died after warranty Sony (and maybe even Microsoft these days) can increase their "installed user base" to make it seem like there are more console owners than there actually are. This works great when courting companies trying to get exclusives and the such.
In other words, people will still buy because of their "loyalty" to the company? I just think companies are doing this to squeeze out more money from their consumers.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: TR0N on June 05, 2007, 02:58:45 PM
Okay, the Phantom? How could a system that never even got released and properly judged by gamers even make the list? Nobody knew how it played or what titles it got. Calling it worst is meaningless if it had no official release. I think the GT crew just got lazy with that one.
Actually a list of titles WERE released. It was mainly casual gaming $10 PC games, like Bejewled, Sorry!, Monopoly, Jeopardy, and other shit like that.
No one gives a f*ck about those games, this is why the NUON and Phantom both failed.
This is actually proof that console gamers are more hardcore than PC gamers. Console gamers don't tolerate this shit on their systems.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on June 06, 2007, 08:35:37 AM
PC gamers don't need weak consoles. Phantom was an idiotic idea, and I trembled in fear the first time I heard about their ideas (downloading games off the net instead of buying them, etc).
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on June 06, 2007, 09:04:57 AM
PC gamers don't need weak consoles. Phantom was an idiotic idea, and I trembled in fear the first time I heard about their ideas (downloading games off the net instead of buying them, etc).
Looking at the downloadable content on the current consoles makes me think that everybody will eventually take this route. Nostradamus envisioned a future where store bought games would be very short and limited, forcing people online to download the 'good' parts of the game. Actually, this could be a good way for developers to push a game into the market early and at a lower price. They could then use this money to pay for the rest of the development costs, which have risen too high for smaller companies to stay competitive.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 06, 2007, 09:31:23 AM
I don't want to download games like Zelda or Halo, but would LOVE to download games like Tetris DS and Ikaruga.
That's the line I walk.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 06, 2007, 09:56:42 AM
Did Nostradamus envision kissing my ass? Because that's what he can go do!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 06, 2007, 10:40:05 AM
Did Nostradamus envision kissing my ass? Because that's what he can go do!
Hopefully this is a peck on the cheek, not a French kiss.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on June 07, 2007, 05:56:56 AM
Actually, I suspect the 'phantom hardware' is real, to an extent; you're probably using one right now.
I'd bet anything that what they were planning on was basically a PC with more copy protection and DRM than you can shake a stick at. Think about it: the biggest problem for PC game publishers since the dawn of time has been piracy. If you make a locked down gaming specialized PC look "cool", then you might aleviate that old problem.
and then microsoft came along and peed in their cheerios. (at least I think - the phantom was announced before the Xbox, right?)
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 07, 2007, 08:30:06 AM
Uhh, why the hell is the Phantom so mysterious to everyone? I SPECIFICALLY remember there was an issue of EGM where they announced that it WAS nothing but a PC...
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Monster Bonce on June 07, 2007, 09:07:28 AM
Why was the CD-i so bad? I realise the games were all terrible but is there a technical reason for this or was is all just bad programming?
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 07, 2007, 09:34:09 AM
It was part of the "edu-tainment" craze, although certainly not to the extent of the Memorex VIS. All the games that weren't education shit were hampered by the fact that the hardware wasn't deigned to do much more than play music and video. The fact that they were even able to get a simple Wolfenstein clone out of the box is an achievement much like a hamster learning to split protons.
All toasters toast toast, and all coasters hold drinks. Lucky for us, the CD-I library has plenty of those. :)
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on June 07, 2007, 09:35:51 AM
Why was the CD-i so bad? I realise the games were all terrible but is there a technical reason for this or was is all just bad programming?
The problem is that the CD-i wasn't intended to be a video game console. They originally designed it as a multimedia player, but when they realized nobody wanted something like that, they just made a controller for it and called it a video game console instead (it was all a marketing thing, it was never a console). They never changed the hardware. That's why they couldn't make games for it, it barely cannot handle sprites, layers, etc like a normal console, and it is incredibly slow. It's kind of like a dvd player. That's why ALL of the "games" for the CD-i are crap - they aren't actually games!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 07, 2007, 09:47:19 AM
Yeah, just like 3DO, the only difference being 3DO had .
OK, so I lied.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Hobo Xiphas on June 07, 2007, 10:52:57 AM
How dare you badmouth Plumbers Don't Wear Ties!?!?!
Plumbers Don't Wear Ties is the most innovative game ever. Just the title alone puts it into contention as one of the greatest games ever!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on June 07, 2007, 11:29:33 AM
PC gamers don't need weak consoles. Phantom was an idiotic idea, and I trembled in fear the first time I heard about their ideas (downloading games off the net instead of buying them, etc).
Looking at the downloadable content on the current consoles makes me think that everybody will eventually take this route. Nostradamus envisioned a future where store bought games would be very short and limited, forcing people online to download the 'good' parts of the game. Actually, this could be a good way for developers to push a game into the market early and at a lower price. They could then use this money to pay for the rest of the development costs, which have risen too high for smaller companies to stay competitive.
I seriously wrote EA after the whole Sonic/Knuckles plug-in thing and asked them to do the same thing with NHL series of games so I could have a "base" and buy updated rosters that plug into the top every year. Never heard back...
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: MotoRoaderMike on June 07, 2007, 12:38:08 PM
Can't think of 10, but I definately think the 32X and the CD-i are in there!
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Black Tiger on June 07, 2007, 12:46:50 PM
I seriously wrote EA after the whole Sonic/Knuckles plug-in thing and asked them to do the same thing with NHL series of games so I could have a "base" and buy updated rosters that plug into the top every year. Never heard back...
I remember kids back in the day saying that EA was releasing a chip that plugged into the yellow(?) indented part on the cart to update stats every year. You know, so people wouldn't have to buy the exact same game at full price every year just for slightly different stats. :wink:
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Turbo D on June 07, 2007, 12:56:56 PM
wtf? I heard that rumor too :lol:
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on June 07, 2007, 12:57:56 PM
I remember kids back in the day saying that EA was releasing a chip that plugged into the yellow(?) indented part on the cart to update stats every year. You know, so people wouldn't have to buy the exact same game at full price every year just for slightly different stats. :wink:
Hahahaha, that would be too funny and awesome! Man I should really open up that yellow lighting bolt thing on those EA cartridges, there has to be something in there! Could it be all the secrets of mankind?
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Turbo D on June 07, 2007, 01:02:23 PM
I always thought that it was like some special ram or fx chip, something like that. It didn't help that those EA carts were bigger too, just more for the imagination
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on June 07, 2007, 01:07:58 PM
Sega CD (original model) + Genesis (original model) + Game Genie + Sonic & Knuckles + EA cartridge (preferably Skitchin).
The tallest structure in the world.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 07, 2007, 01:49:53 PM
Not without a 32X on there it isn't.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Turbo D on June 07, 2007, 02:34:00 PM
What about the powerbase???
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: offsidewing on June 07, 2007, 03:02:10 PM
Sega CD (original model) + Genesis (original model) + Game Genie + Sonic & Knuckles + EA cartridge (preferably Skitchin).
The tallest structure in the world.
I believe they're building one in Dubai that incorporates some sort of MD adapter...
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 07, 2007, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: turbo D
What about the powerbase???
Maybe you could put that on top of the Sonic and Knuckles cartridge with a Master System game in it, but #1: it wouldn't work and #2: an EA cartridge still might be taller, and you'd get the Sonic bonus game I think.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Dark Fact on June 07, 2007, 05:00:28 PM
EA cartridges looked like crap anyway. Ditto for those old TENGEN NES cartridges. :-&
Quote from: Xiphas
How dare you badmouth Plumbers Don't Wear Ties!?!?!
Plumbers Don't Wear Ties is the most innovative game ever. Just the title alone puts it into contention as one of the greatest games ever!
Just like E.T. :wink:
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on June 07, 2007, 05:04:10 PM
E.T. is underrated.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Dark Fact on June 07, 2007, 05:06:11 PM
E.T. is underrated. In fact, I'm one of the few people in this world that like the E.T. Atari 2600 game. C'mon! The title screen was awesome and it was quite possibly the only Atari game that had an ending!
And you get to play as E.T.! What more do you want? :D
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Keranu on June 07, 2007, 05:15:14 PM
I know, I totally agree! Plus I liked the concept of it with going through screens to find your way home while avoiding the FBI.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Dark Fact on June 07, 2007, 05:24:45 PM
And you get to eat Reese's Pieces just to stay alive! :D That's awesome in of itself! :D
I didn't mind falling in the pits just as long as there was something good in it. People just gotta learn to watch for the flashing dot.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: FM-77 on June 08, 2007, 02:59:15 AM
When I bought my Sega Mega Drive in a video game store, you got to choose one game and you would get one "secret" game. So I chose one game (Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle) and the store owner chose one game (some NHL crap). I was disappointed in his decision, of course, but paid the money and left the store. While outside, I opened up the NHL box and noticed that weird, larger cartridge that didn't even seem to fit the Mega Drive (the cart wasn't as wide as the actual cart slot). So I went back in the store, and said "hey, I think you gave me the wrong kind of game, this one doesn't fit the Mega Drive", and showed him the cartridge. The store owner was baffled and excused himself and gave me another game instead (Decap Attack, which turned out to be awesome).
Some video game store owner, ha ha ha! Didn't even know about those EA carts. :P Sure, I didn't either, but ...... that's beside the point! :D
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: guyjin on June 08, 2007, 08:46:36 AM
It was part of the "edu-tainment" craze, although certainly not to the extent of the Memorex VIS.
Wow, thanks for jogging my memory. I remember seeing a memorex VIS (in a radio shack), but i had assumed that I was remembering a CD-i. The controllers were pretty distinctive.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 08, 2007, 09:11:45 AM
Yeah, the VIS was a crazy mofo. It was an AMD 12MHZ computer running a version of Windows 3.1, but Tandy/Memorex made them take out all the references to Microsoft.
Some of these so called VIS "games" are also PC compatible... one day I shall pick up one of these PC compatible games and a VIS system, see exactly how and why it works on the VIS and make other games from the era work on it as well (like Wolf3D and perhaps even ROTT).
But to tell you the truth, I know how they do it already. It's a special file structure on the disc and the game is set to load the VIS drivers automatically, instead of the old "Setup.exe".
This is not beyond my realm of feasibility to conquer, though...
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: td741 on June 08, 2007, 09:43:12 AM
Anyone have a Gamewave? ( http://playgamewave.com/index.cfm )
I'm semi-curious now that's it's apparently being phased out from the only retail outlet that carries it. :P Currently half price in TRU.ca, I read somewhere that it was 75% off in the US for a while.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 08, 2007, 09:48:14 AM
Anyone have a Gamewave? ( http://playgamewave.com/index.cfm )
I'm semi-curious now that's it's apparently being phased out from the only retail outlet that carries it. :P Currently half price in TRU.ca, I read somewhere that it was 75% off in the US for a while.
A multiplayer DVD player? Sign me up... :roll:
Now this is crazy: http://www.gameport.tv/
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on June 08, 2007, 10:25:01 AM
That thing looks promising, but I'm not holding my breath to see how many consoles end up being supported or even if it's ever released. It supposedly is powerful enough to be able to emulate the hardware for just about any console up to the SNES - kinda like a gp2x. As an added bonus, the case was designed by Ben Heckendorn.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 08, 2007, 10:28:00 AM
As an added bonus, the case was designed by Ben Heckendorn.
That's the only reason I've heard of it. I love Ben (in a completely non-homo way) but seriously, he's been whoring himself out. Have you seen those ugly USB headsets he designed? :-&
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on June 08, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
That's the only reason I've heard of it. I love Ben (in a completely non-homo way) but seriously, he's been whoring himself out. Have you seen those ugly USB headsets he designed? :-&
Nope, I hadn't heard of 'em before. I just checked 'em out now, and they look pretty sweet if you're into the retro look. I'm not a fan of full size cans (except on the ladies), but I'd check these out if were in the market for a set.
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 08, 2007, 05:42:13 PM
Don't get me wrong, they look great, and they probably sound decent, but WHY BROWN? #-o
Title: Re: Top Ten Worst Consoles of All Time
Post by: Necromancer on June 08, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
I can't answer that, but it looks like leather (not that leather isn't available in nearly any color). They'd really look sweat with some of the color shifting leather used in the '04 Mystichrome Cobras. I'd love to get some of that stuff to reupholster the arm rests on my desk chair. 8)