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Title: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 14, 2009, 07:00:40 PM
So. I got Demon's Souls for ps3. hooooo man.
After my boner subsided from HDMI + big tv, I actually played the game.
It's hard as agkfd;kljf;df******** bleeeeeep*********
But, its a great game! Reminds me of something that would happen if Astyanax were modernizd.
I popped around youtube and some other places and there are too many damn people bitching and moaning that the game was too hard, and whining like 5 year olds. "I DIE ALL THE TIME WHY DO I DIE WHAT IS THIS"
Am I missing something?! Aren't games supposed to be moderately challenging so you get your full 60$ worth out of them?
or are they supposed to all be 5 hour walks in the park with shiney pictures and alot of achievements to show off.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Turbo D on October 14, 2009, 07:03:14 PM
Current generation games are challenging? lol. Daimakaimura is challenging! 8)
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: blueraven on October 14, 2009, 07:13:24 PM
I voted No. I like incessantly long RPG's.
"Do You Like Challenging Games?"
Dragster was the worst clear I ever got.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Necromancer on October 14, 2009, 07:21:19 PM
I like legitimately challenging games, but I'm not a fan of games that are only hard because they're dirty cheap (like Night Creatures, which I actually enjoy despite of its cheapness).
*edit*
Like a fool, I mistakenly voted 'yes' when I meant to vote 'no'. :oops:
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 14, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Like a fool, I mistakenly voted 'yes' when I meant to vote 'no'. :oops:
awww. was the quiz too challenging / cheap?
:D doof
Hmmmm I wonder if I can edit the vote and move you to the no-category!
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 14, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
If it is still fun while being stupid hard, then yeah, really hard is really cool. I Wanna Be The Guy: The Movie: The Game is f*cking great, btw.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: sunteam_paul on October 14, 2009, 08:37:50 PM
I'm lame so I like easy games. I don't have the time for frustration.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: termis on October 15, 2009, 02:25:43 AM
Feeling of actually beating something super challenging game is great. I still get a buzz when I recall beating the likes of Castlevania I, Golgo 13, Megaman 1, Ninja Gaiden 1, Last Battle... and these were pre-internet walkthrough/faq guides, which makes beating them even more special.
Actually, this made me go google "challenging NES games" http://www.retrojunk.com/details_articles/2161/
Some of these games were legitimately brutal (G&G), but Karate Kid? I recall regretting buying that game cause I beat it over a weekend.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: DJLobo on October 15, 2009, 03:05:19 AM
If the game has a good story/fun to play, I don't mind a challenge. Those YouTube people should quit crying and get back to playing. Guess they aren't as good as they thought they were.
If I'm going to spend $60 on a game, I want my money's worth, so 10 hours of gameplay doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 15, 2009, 03:25:53 AM
If the game has a good story/fun to play, I don't mind a challenge. Those YouTube people should quit crying and get back to playing. Guess they aren't as good as they thought they were.
If I'm going to spend $60 on a game, I want my money's worth, so 10 hours of gameplay doesn't cut it.
sometimes I agree with the 60$ needs more than 10 hrs thing, but then I look at it like this, Contra and stuff on NES can be beat in <1hr, so I can't complain about a new game at retail being ONLY 10 hours long. Though I'd much rather them be 30+
lol @ Karate Kid. Everyone that sucks at that game confuses me. Its such an easy game!
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: DJLobo on October 15, 2009, 05:31:46 AM
If the game has a good story/fun to play, I don't mind a challenge. Those YouTube people should quit crying and get back to playing. Guess they aren't as good as they thought they were.
If I'm going to spend $60 on a game, I want my money's worth, so 10 hours of gameplay doesn't cut it.
sometimes I agree with the 60$ needs more than 10 hrs thing, but then I look at it like this, Contra and stuff on NES can be beat in <1hr, so I can't complain about a new game at retail being ONLY 10 hours long. Though I'd much rather them be 30+
lol @ Karate Kid. Everyone that sucks at that game confuses me. Its such an easy game!
I'm just a little peeved that the new games are back to $60, when they were $50 back in the 90s and for a good chunk of this decade. I just gotta wait longer for the price to drop down. Back in the NES days, they justified a $60 price because of the computer chips in each cart and packaging.
30-40 hours is probably the sweet spot for gaming. If it's over 40+, it damn well better have a good story/gameplay.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: jperryss on October 15, 2009, 06:25:41 AM
I'm just a little peeved that the new games are back to $60, when they were $50 back in the 90s and for a good chunk of this decade. I just gotta wait longer for the price to drop down. Back in the NES days, they justified a $60 price because of the computer chips in each cart and packaging.
The cost of manufacturing a disc and case is peanuts compared to the design, programming, etc. Today's games take a lot more time and resources to make than games of the NES era did. I'm not saying that makes 'em better games, just that it takes a lot more time and effort (all around) to make the finished product.
Also, $60 in 1988 money is quite a bit more than $60 in 2009 money. And let's not forget that $80 N64 games were on store shelves a decade ago.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: RoyVegas on October 15, 2009, 06:41:01 AM
I guess my answer depends on the level of difficulty when you say challenging. I absolutely love a game that can't be beaten easily however the difficulty level shouldn't be to the point where you want to throw your controller through the tv screen.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 15, 2009, 08:00:16 AM
I like challenging games. I do not like hard games. What s the difference? Hard games are hard just for the sake of being hard. I lose interest quickly and they are usually the epitome of sloppy design. However challenging games make me want to keep trying because you know it can be done, you just have to figure it out. I have beaten plenty of challenging games like "Daimakaimura", Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2 and the like. Those games become easy for me. However I do not like hard games like Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox. I also usually do not appreciate games where boss characters take over 5 minutes to defeat even if you are doing everything perfectly. I abhor long boss battles. They don't need to be snappy-quick, but damn, don't make them drone on and on and on, coming back again and again (usually with new attacks) after their life bar is drained.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 15, 2009, 08:02:51 AM
Lol Joe, that reminds me of the long as hell heavenly sword final boss battle where its so boring you want to just quit . I think that battle takes longer than the rest of the game
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Sinistron on October 15, 2009, 08:22:25 AM
Joe's answer is a good one- there is a big difference between challenging games and hard games- however there are some hard games that are eleveated when all or most of the other elements of the game are above average- like R-Type- and Tatsujin. Then there's a piece of garbage like Turrican- which is insanely hard- and every other element of the game is total crap.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 15, 2009, 02:57:51 PM
Turrican should be blasted down before China Warrior
that game IS awful. Theres like no fun qualities to it at all.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Tatsujin on October 15, 2009, 05:45:23 PM
if they're very good & motivating then yes, i like challangeing games.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 16, 2009, 03:36:12 AM
hmm whats everyones favorite challenging game?
no system boundaries. I dont care if you think like Big Bird for NES is challenging. Lets hear it! O_o
Im going to go with any of the Metal Gear solids on their hardest difficulty setting.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Sinistron on October 16, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Son Son II is my favorite challenging game for PCE- by far...
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: blueraven on October 16, 2009, 06:08:55 AM
Falcom's Xanadu. Hands down. 8)
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 16, 2009, 08:43:49 AM
Super Monkey Ball 1 on the Gamecube. Can't get enough of it. I always walk through it on the most difficult setting.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 16, 2009, 08:50:07 AM
Super Monkey Ball 1 on the Gamecube. Can't get enough of it. I always walk through it on the most difficult setting.
One of my proudest video game victories in the past 5 years was finishing the Super Ultimate Master Extra Whatever-They're-Called stages on SMB Deluxe for the XBOX. I was buried in that game for like 2 months.
And then I saw videos of the really good players....
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 16, 2009, 11:21:46 AM
I don't care much for the Xbox edition. The controls are a bit broken and feature a rather prominent "dead spot" at the center of the control.
Be sure to watch my Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2 exploits (as recorded with a real Gamecube)
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: esteban on October 17, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
I'm pretty much a masochist, because I'll play games that I know are damn near impossible to beat: Athena (NES), Super Pitfall (NES), etc. etc.
Of course, I'm not always in the mood for ultra-masochism. Sometimes I just want something nice and easy, like Sinistron (ha! I still choke in Sinistron).
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: blueraven on October 17, 2009, 04:20:18 PM
I try to complete RPG's to 100% so easy games are fun to blow off steam.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 17, 2009, 04:37:45 PM
RPGs don't really require skill, only patience.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: blueraven on October 17, 2009, 05:56:16 PM
I won't take the bait on that one, Joe :mrgreen: 8)
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 17, 2009, 08:28:11 PM
I guess I dont understand whats so great about gathering stupid items, or beating meaningless bosses.
In general:
There is no such thing as a meaningless boss!
You beat those bastards because you want to see what they're like and, well, because you can kill for the sake of killing.
Collecting weapons has a small payoff, but I only find it fun when it is "fresh" and requires a sidequest exploring a new area (or an area that was previously inaccessible).
Oh, I should mention that I haven't played FFXII.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 18, 2009, 05:29:58 PM
i just mean like, STUPID items.
Kind of like twilight princess.
DiD YOU FIND ALL THE BUGS!!?!?!
I dont find it really fun to run around a game and spend hours and hours finding BUGS.
The only games with sidestuff that I ever really thought were alright were ffvii, since the side stuff involved actually DOING stuff, like going aboard a crashed plane underwater, or unlocking a safe and killing a boss, etc. Even the mindless golden saucer stuff was at least minigames. You arent just mindlessly walking around hoping you find stuff. Youre mindlessly playing arm wrestling and snowboarding.
and Lunar 2. Whole side dungeons that didn't even need to be explored..
..... plus Bromides. :-D
all that mindless scavenger hunting should be piled up into one game on the Wii, and be called "Old guy at the park: THE GAME"
and come with a metal detector attachment for the WiiMote. :-"
Plus, FF12 was so bad that it seemed like there was more time put into the side "content", that the actual game suffered from too many problems/poor game system ideas to even be worth beating..
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: geise on October 19, 2009, 05:56:01 AM
Well I think most people bought Demons Souls thinking it would just be another hack/slash game. It's definitely not. I think the challenge is not bad. People are crying cause it's not crazy easy like a new Ninja Gaiden or some other *insert you hack/slash game here*. I like games that give a challenge as long as the game is designed right. I remember games on the Amiga and ST that were just rediculously hard. So hard that they were just bad games. Demons Souls is kind of like Valis III with the water level. You just need a bit of strategy to make it through. Maybe not the best example, but that's how I feel about it.
Now a game that I find as a huge challenge is Last Battle/Fist of the North Star and Thunderforce IV. Undeadline is also another crazy hard game on the MD. Surprisingly I don't find to many games on the PCE that are crazy hard. I'm sure there are. I just have yet to play them.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 19, 2009, 07:55:58 AM
Quote from: Arkhan
all that mindless scavenger hunting should be piled up into one game on the Wii, and be called "Old guy at the park: THE GAME"
and come with a metal detector attachment for the WiiMote. :-"
Damn dude. You and I don't always see eye-to-eye, but that shit was right on the mark.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 20, 2009, 06:54:24 AM
all that mindless scavenger hunting should be piled up into one game on the Wii, and be called "Old guy at the park: THE GAME"
and come with a metal detector attachment for the WiiMote. :-"
Damn dude. You and I don't always see eye-to-eye, but that shit was right on the mark.
:D
glad to see we can agree sometimes, despite my obnoxious tendencies.
Yknow after OLD GUY AT THE PARK comes out they could do the sequel and call it OLD DUDE AT THE BEACH.
watch this actually happen and come out for the Wii.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: SNKNostalgia on October 20, 2009, 07:40:46 AM
It is funny seeing a post like this since I have been hurting myself with some games lately. I have been on a space shooter kick lately. I have mostly been playing Super Star Soldier, Gradius 2 (Duo CD) and Einhander for the PS1.
I got to the last level on SSS and would loose some of my hits on the green robot with shooting hands. Then, I totally get my ass handed to me on either the green thing with spinning arms shooting missiles or the big eyed monster. When you loose your weapon power, your in a world of pain. I gave the f*ck up after 20 continues.
On Gradius 2, you gotta play on normal I guess to get an ending after of course beating it with some challenge on easy. So I play on normal and realize just how much harder the game gets. I got pissed and gave up when I got to the walking crab since there are enemies shooting at you while you maneuver under its legs.
Einhander I have beaten my Japanese copy plenty of times back in 97-99. The bosses can just be randomly cheap at times. There are moments in the game where it seems impossible to dodge some of the attacks. Right now I keep loosing half my continues following a game over on the walking ape like boss that throws boxes at you.
What doesn't make sense is that I can beat Thunder Force 4, Gate of Thunder, Phalanx, Gradius 3 (SNES on hard), Lords of Thunder (Duo) without nearly as many problems.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: geise on October 22, 2009, 06:44:47 AM
I don't continue when I play shooters. I really like to give myself a challenge. It also makes a lot of my games last longer. It took me months to beat a lot of shooters that way. I did always find myself eager to come back for the challenge. Well for most of the good shooters anyways. That's one reason I find Thunderforce 4 so damn hard. I can play most cave shooters fine and beat them on at least normal without continuing. Must be the hit box in Thunderforce 4 or lack there of. There's also plenty of shooters I have owned for years that I still have yet to beat. Ikaruga is one of them. The whole chain/pattern stuff makes my brain hurt. It's a good game though so I still pick it up and have a crack at it.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: nodtveidt on October 22, 2009, 12:19:39 PM
Turrican should be blasted down before China Warrior
that game IS awful. Theres like no fun qualities to it at all.
You just suck at it. No big deal. It pwned your aching ass. One of these days I'll make a youtube video of me kicking its ass seven ways till Sunday, like usual. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 22, 2009, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: geise
I don't continue when I play shooters.
Neither do I. In fact if a particular shooter sets you back, takes all of your weapons and speed when you die (like R-Type), I turn off or reset the game when I lose my first life.
I do not like Cave or other "bullet hell" shooters with the 1-pixel-wide hit box. If a bullet touches my ship, I should blow up. I don't even understand the point of "bullet hell" shooters.
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: esteban on October 24, 2009, 05:04:39 PM
Turrican should be blasted down before China Warrior
that game IS awful. Theres like no fun qualities to it at all.
You just suck at it. No big deal. It pwned your aching ass. One of these days I'll make a youtube video of me kicking its ass seven ways till Sunday, like usual. :D :D :D
Old Rover gets it.
In fact, he was the first (and only) person who explained how the two special punches were "activated".
Let's see: allow yourself to get hit once, then giganto-punch occurs? Get hit twice and fists-of-fury occurs? Jesus, I can't remember!
Title: Re: Do you hate challenging games
Post by: Arkhan on October 25, 2009, 06:12:31 AM