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Title: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on April 20, 2011, 04:13:39 AM
Hey Dudes and Dudettes,
I have been looking for MC for a long time. It will complete me. I get some emails/responses on craigslist, mostly negative about how I am going to resell it or some other bullshit. I don't even list $50 or $100 or what the other jokers do. I am very interested in getting a copy.
So, I propose, in order to keep MC in the "family" we have a waiting list. I would also like to add my name to the top of the list :). Or have some other system of order where people wanting the game, and people selling / trading the game can get together.
I personally cannot fathom selling my entire gaming lot, or MC if I had it, but I guess I don't have much going on... Maybe one day, I will lose the desire to collect or I have to sell for money problems, hopefully not.
But, it would be great, as we can totally bypass fleabay, and make sure people do not gouge the game. It would be more difficult to track the price, and have outrageous prices for the game sold, if we keep it to ourselves. I do not know how many get traded or sold on this forum.
Let me know if anyone else is down!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: tggodfrey on April 20, 2011, 04:27:41 AM
I have been in contact with Hudson Soft to try and get them to recreate the HuCard for 40 copies but I wouldnt hold your breath. They still do not seem like they want to even if possible.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on April 20, 2011, 05:27:55 AM
I have been in contact with Hudson Soft to try and get them to recreate the HuCard for 40 copies but I wouldnt hold your breath. They still do not seem like they want to even if possible.
You are being ridiculous. Don't start rumors like that. Its beneath you...whoever you are.
I personally cannot fathom selling my entire gaming lot, or MC if I had it, but I guess I don't have much going on... Maybe one day, I will lose the desire to collect or I have to sell for money problems, hopefully not.
When viewed from a far this idea actually makes sense, in a f*cked up way. Most of those copies of MC you see on eBay have changed hands more times than a rental car. People get the urge, then after actually owning it for a while they realize that its just a game, and only a B+ game at best, so they sell it for the stupid money they can get for it. The same thing happens with Ferraris. You, alexsduo, are pretty much guaranteed to do the same thing. Your extreme want for this game is superficial and shallow and disproportionally intense. If you get one, you won't be keeping it for life. Virtually none of the people buying TG-16 games in this current climate keep the stuff, so setting up a sort of custody system would make sense really, but its never going to happen like that, obviously.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on April 20, 2011, 06:13:38 AM
Your extreme want for this game is superficial and shallow and disproportionally intense.
Absolutely. Desires like this, like any addictive behavior, don't just go away with the next "fix." If Alexduo ever finds the game he'll be selling it to buy something else tomorrow.
alex - Chill out. You have seventy posts and most of them have been about your quest for this one game. Try doing some detective work or check out the other retro forums rather than spamming the same board everyday. Or heck, you could even try participating in some actual discussions on other topics around here and get to know people. Maybe someone will be inclined to cut a deal if you become known as something other than the annoying MC kid. Post a trade list and test the waters once or twice a year, but stop the daily spam.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: tggodfrey on April 20, 2011, 06:21:34 AM
I have been in contact with Hudson Soft to try and get them to recreate the HuCard for 40 copies but I wouldnt hold your breath. They still do not seem like they want to even if possible.
You are being ridiculous. Don't start rumors like that. Its beneath you...whoever you are.
I personally cannot fathom selling my entire gaming lot, or MC if I had it, but I guess I don't have much going on... Maybe one day, I will lose the desire to collect or I have to sell for money problems, hopefully not.
When viewed from a far this idea actually makes sense, in a f*cked up way. Most of those copies of MC you see on eBay have changed hands more times than a rental car. People get the urge, then after actually owning it for a while they realize that its just a game, and only a B+ game at best, so they sell it for the stupid money they can get for it. The same thing happens with Ferraris. You, alexsduo, are pretty much guaranteed to do the same thing. Your extreme want for this game is superficial and shallow and disproportionally intense. If you get one, you won't be keeping it for life. Virtually none of the people buying TG-16 games in this current climate keep the stuff, so setting up a sort of custody system would make sense really, but its never going to happen like that, obviously.
Not starting rumors. I tried contacting Hudson Soft with this request and all i got was a reply sayign they would forward the request to the appropriete dept. NO other replies. Here is their customer support email: support@hudsonent.com Maybe if they have enough interest and the materials, they would make a limited run. I know its wishful thinking but it doesnt hurt to ask.
Terry
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on April 20, 2011, 06:21:45 AM
Since Magical Chase is so common and always available, I'd rather have a Dynastic Hero waiting list.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on April 20, 2011, 06:38:25 AM
Not starting rumors. I tried contacting Hudson Soft with this request and all i got was a reply sayign they would forward the request to the appropriete dept. NO other replies. Here is their customer support email: support@hudsonent.com Maybe if they have enough interest and the materials, they would make a limited run. I know its wishful thinking but it doesnt hurt to ask.
Terry
It's really not at all a possibility, especially since Hudson USA no longer exists.
Even further worth note is the fact that this game never showed up on Virtual Console, this indicates to me that the intellectual property rights to the game might be floating around with other companies.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: tggodfrey on April 20, 2011, 07:09:56 AM
Not starting rumors. I tried contacting Hudson Soft with this request and all i got was a reply sayign they would forward the request to the appropriete dept. NO other replies. Here is their customer support email: support@hudsonent.com Maybe if they have enough interest and the materials, they would make a limited run. I know its wishful thinking but it doesnt hurt to ask.
Terry
It's really not at all a possibility, especially since Hudson USA no longer exists.
Even further worth note is the fact that this game never showed up on Virtual Console, this indicates to me that the intellectual property rights to the game might be floating around with other companies.
Well it was worth a shot. Not like it cost me anything.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 20, 2011, 08:59:25 AM
Not starting rumors. I tried contacting Hudson Soft with this request and all i got was a reply sayign they would forward the request to the appropriete dept. NO other replies. Here is their customer support email: support@hudsonent.com Maybe if they have enough interest and the materials, they would make a limited run. I know its wishful thinking but it doesnt hurt to ask.
Terry
You got the same request you'd get if you asked them to produce a zeppelin with Bonk's face on it. A polite professional way of saying "get out of my face".
Hudson isn't going to reissue this game. Ever. If they do it won't be on a HuCard, a format they haven't produced in 15 years. And even if they did make it, and made it on a HuCard, it would be a US release and it wouldn't be limited to 40 copies. The only games produced in quantities that limited are arcade releases. You can't make any money building a HuCard factory and then just pumping out 40 $50 games. That's $2000 in revenue towards paying off a million dollar HuCard machine. It makes no damn sense, man.
Even if they did All that, it still wouldn't do the scene any good because something issued in a quantity of 40 would then instantly become the rarest commercial TG-16 release and would eBay for more than the existing version.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: tggodfrey on April 20, 2011, 09:20:13 AM
I understand. I was looking at it with the hopes perhaps the Hucard tooling would be sitting in some store room and maybe they would be willing to use it. I realize the tooling might not be around anymore. I was only trying to help since it seems eveyone would like a copy. If a remote chance they were willing to do it then at least I was of some help to all of you. I didnt think it was such a bad thing to try and help. No reason to get worked up or accuse me of starting rumors ect. Like I said it didnt cost me anything to send an email and I am not the type to keep bothering them about it.
Terry
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: TheOldMan on April 20, 2011, 09:29:54 AM
Lighten up Zeta. Sure, NEC -probably- isn't gonna re-release it, especially in a limited run of 40 copies. But like the man said:
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It Never Hurts To Ask!
...and we're damn sure not gonna see it if nobody ever asks for it.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: hizaygizirlz on April 20, 2011, 09:57:18 AM
I have been looking for MC for a long time. It will complete me. I get some emails/responses on craigslist, mostly negative about how I am going to resell it or some other bullshit. I don't even list $50 or $100 or what the other jokers do. I am very interested in getting a copy.
I agree you are on CL every other day w/ a new post. Not that I care how much it goes for, but it's this kind of sick obsession that makes the game go for 2K.
If i was a scumbag w/ a MC the first person I would try to take advantage of is the kid w/ the 100 CL posts this year.
If you want it that badly pay the premium, If not sit back and hope you get lucky like most folk are going to do.
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 20, 2011, 10:05:08 AM
I agree you are on CL every other day w/ a new post. Not that I care how much it goes for, but it's this kind of sick obsession that makes the game go for 2K.
If i was a scumbag w/ a MC the first person I would try to take advantage of is the kid w/ the 100 CL posts this year.
If you want it that badly pay the premium, If not sit back and hope you get lucky like most folk are going to do.
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
I see that same post all the time.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on April 20, 2011, 11:51:03 AM
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
I bought mine brand new sealed(!) for $5. No joke. I didn't buy it because I thought that it was valuable to other people. I bought it because I'd seen it covered in magazines and genuinely wanted to play it. The first thing I did was walk out of the store, hop into our vehicle, tore it open and started playing it on my Turbo Express.
There is no dilemma for people dying to play the U.S. version on real hardware. Just buy a flashcard for a fraction of the cost of the real thing and if you want, you can have that one game on it. For those who just have to have a complete hard copy, the PCE version is easy to get and not that bad for price at this point.
For the rest of you that aren't interested in the game and are strictly a collector of 'what other self-proclaimed-collectors think they want to obtain', then the situation couldn't be better. Magical Chase is always available and it has a high asking price from most sellers. If it so many creeps weren't jacking up the price, then you wouldn't want it. Rarity has nothing to do with it, otherwise OotG would be going for thousands. If collecting is a true hobby and you are hardcore enough to go after something so valuable to collectors, then nothing should be more thrilling than dropping thousands of dollars on the game.
Unless you plan on flipping it for a major profit.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on April 20, 2011, 08:41:42 PM
Wow, a lot of responses...
I am not trying to be annoying with the posts, so I absolutely apologize about looking for MC a lot. I am obsessed, and I think that owning this game will make me cool. And I have fun looking for it, it is like I am an online detective. I just had a wacky idea, regarding this game... I am sure people I know would vouch that if I say I am not trying to flip a game, I am not.
vestcoat- I am a commodity fetish, and a marxist
you are right again, I have been bored and really wanting a copy, I know a few people on here, but you are right, I am a MC whore. I have been a bad man.
Black Tiger, there was on on craigslist, but it twas pricey. I loved the TG16 system, and I would have tried to collect all the games... I used to play with my brother, so it is sentimental. I don't think there is much profit unless someone puts it on ebay, but I am sure it happens a lot, especially on this forum. But, video games are something I enjoy, especially the retro. What is OotG? I can't find it online...
SignOfZeta: I have bid on this item on an unnammed site, but I just want to buy it off another collector. Obviously bidding on this game, and using ebay is not the best way to redistribute this game. It just creates a money value and raises the value each time. I think trading it to each other for goods, services, or money is a cool idea.
I would bet you that at the time of my death I have Magical Chase in my possession, or in a game museum, don't know how we will watch over this bet.
And Isn't most game collecting, "superficial and shallow and disproportionally intense"...
If we really want to rid the world of people flipping that shit on ebay, a custody based system would work. One person who is totally into this forum, no longer wants/needs the game and they pass it on, and we can make birth certificates for the hu, and know who we got it form, and make family trees. And obviously people who sell on ebay will be publicly shamed!
hizaygizirlz: I agree, I got lots of posts. I am willing to pay for it, I just don't know what the holders want for it on this forum, or else where. I have seen a couple for around the $500 dollar loose...
What video of Desmond?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Otaking on April 20, 2011, 09:06:16 PM
Can I be added to the Deep Blue waiting list. :D
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Necromancer on April 21, 2011, 02:38:26 AM
Order of the Griffon. If you truly loved the TG-16 and its games, you would've been able to figure this out.
You, sir, are part of the problem. Go drop a couple thousand on a complete copy and jerk off all over yourself whilst meditating about the awesomeness of your 1337 collection; if you were able to find a copy for $50, you probably wouldn't even be to get hard anyway.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Sparky on April 21, 2011, 04:19:27 AM
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
Dude... it was joke :) he knew and he paid some good coin for that i bet.... i know the guy and the store and there is no way that would have happened, i wish those things did with games like that.
EDIT: f*ck my spelling
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 21, 2011, 04:21:45 AM
If it so many creeps weren't jacking up the price, then you wouldn't want it. Rarity has nothing to do with it, otherwise OotG would be going for thousands. If collecting is a true hobby and you are hardcore enough to go after something so valuable to collectors, then nothing should be more thrilling than dropping thousands of dollars on the game.
Exactly. Its only desired because...its desired. Where were all these schmucks when the game came out? Shit, where were they five years ago when you could get it for $100? Maybe you were 12 five years ago and couldn't afford it, that's fair, but if so then how did you even come to hear about it and become so f*cking obsessed with it in just five years? Surely to someone that age, with all the thousands of games that have been released in that time, you can't be so in love with just this one, can you?
Its one thing to pay $1000 for a PCE LT, which was produced in small quantities, was made of such bleeding edge tech that it cost well over $1000 when new, but a US MC (it has to be US right? What bullshit.) is a $50 game that is only selling for $1000s of dollars because other losers need something to spend $1000 on and they aren't culturally diverse enough to pick something genuinely valuable.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on April 21, 2011, 05:05:03 AM
Well, one thing I do have to concede is that alexsduo remains unfailing polite.
I don't give a toss about marxism, but there is something to be said for the way worthless commodities are fetishized....
Anyway, my point is this: the focus of your compulsive desire can be acquired, but it won't take away your obsession for some new piece of crap. Yes, retro gaming/collecting is superficial and not the loftiest calling, but I've never seen someone as vocal about an obsession as you in six-plus years on this forum.
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If we really want to rid the world of people flipping that shit on ebay, a custody based system would work. One person who is totally into this forum, no longer wants/needs the game and they pass it on, and we can make birth certificates for the hu, and know who we got it form, and make family trees. And obviously people who sell on ebay will be publicly shamed!
It will be difficult for someone who's no longer active in the community to justify selling a game for hundreds less than they could get on ebay. If they're selling it, they obviously need money, and if they're not active on the board they're less likely to care about public shaming. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of generous, stand-up people on this board, but I don't think this would work.
Finally, IIRC, you've said both that you'll pay the "going rate" for the U.S. version and that you're interested in a PCE copy; so, unless you're trying to pull a royvegas, there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't have this game already.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mathius on April 21, 2011, 05:22:40 AM
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
Dude... it was joke :) he knew and he paid some good coin for that i bet.... i know the guy and the store and there is no way that would have happened, i wish those things did with games like that.
EDIT: f*ck my spelling
This is what I thought reading Zeta's post. I don't ever want to give up my collection. It stays with me for life. :)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 21, 2011, 08:45:09 AM
Yeah, I'm never selling my collection. But then, I don't own any $1000 games either...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: RoyVegas on April 21, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
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Dude... it was joke :) he knew and he paid some good coin for that i bet.... i know the guy and the store and there is no way that would have happened, i wish those things did with games like that.
EDIT: f*ck my spelling
I knew it was a joke that's why i made a point to put April 1st and the smiley face.
Here is the video I was referencing, it was an April Fools joke.
Didn't you see Desmond's video he got it on accident in a Hit the Ice box while shopping on April 1st. What a blessing!! :mrgreen:
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Dude... it was joke :) he knew and he paid some good coin for that i bet.... i know the guy and the store and there is no way that would have happened, i wish those things did with games like that.
EDIT: f*ck my spelling
I knew it was a joke that's why i made a point to put April 1st and the smiley face.
Here is the video I was referencing, it was an April Fools joke.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: hizaygizirlz on April 21, 2011, 05:21:02 PM
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oops just making sure... <<blush>>
That's OK sarcasm doesn't really translate well in text.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: exile on April 21, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
Magical chase is an elusive game whether you wanted it years back or today. I find myself wanting an original copy even though I've played it on emulation. Obsession really torques me because I'm smart enough to know NO game is worth more then its original price. Yet,I went to great lengths to score most of my Japanese shooters for the Pc Engine. I hate that I spent 100's if not 1000's on my games over the years and still show no signs of slowing down my game purchases. Once I get it in my head I want something, the "gotta catch em all" mentality is all that matters. Sometimes the hunt is more exciting than the score. If you are fortunate enough to procure M.C the game it shouldn't matter the price but the satisfaction of finally scoring it for the collection. Sadly once its in my hands, the excitement would quickly leave and its on to the next thing that peaks my interest. Collecting is a motherf*ckingbitch lol. Good luck getting your wants gents.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 21, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
Magical Chase wasn't hard to find at all in 1992. Every EB had at least one copy. My local EB had its copies of Cotton (which, on the surface, is so similar to MC that I remember this) recalled to the main warehouse for redistribution but MC stayed until someone eventually bought it. I'm pretty sure its about exactly as rare as Darkwing Duck. I have a feeling most these MC obsessed sheep have never even seen a copy of Darkwing Duck*
By the same token, people who "always wanted" Radiant Silvergun didn't seem to feel like buying it when NCS had them on sale for $40 a copy for half a summer either. 15 years of hearing how awesome it is though and...suddenly everyone was at Woodstock.
* Lucky them, it sucks.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on April 21, 2011, 06:22:51 PM
Magical chase is an elusive game whether you wanted it years back or today.
If you are fortunate enough to procure M.C the game it shouldn't matter the price but the satisfaction of finally scoring it for the collection.
MC wasn't that hard to find bitd. Every store here that carried turbo had it on the shelf.
That last statement is just one of the BIG reasons why this mediocre game has jumped to retarded levels $ wise so quickly/recently. I still stand behind the fact that if MC was a dirt common game, it would rarely get mentioned (DEF no top tier TG/PCE shooter).
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: exile on April 21, 2011, 06:27:53 PM
Zeta
Where did you live in the 90's? I never saw M.C in NYC (I did see bonk 3 and D.W.D) M.C was one of those games that I didn't know existed until TZD when I started buying games.
P.s. Your right D.W.D does suck =P~
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: exile on April 21, 2011, 06:34:25 PM
No arguments from me Nectarsis, That game isn't all that. I'm not even trying to get every game on the Turbo, but I'm a huge shmup fan, and would like it fot that reason. I doubt I'd ever pay those astronomical Ebay prices to score the copy. Sadly, there are plenty of people who would. :(
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 21, 2011, 06:34:43 PM
I lived in Midland Michigan, which was not exactly a mecha for gaming at the time. The reason why you didn't see MC at your local EB is probably because someone bought it. At most stores that never happened and they left the store via UPS back to the main warehouse.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on April 21, 2011, 07:58:05 PM
Where did you live in the 90's? I never saw M.C in NYC (I did see bonk 3 and D.W.D) M.C was one of those games that I didn't know existed until TZD when I started buying games.
I guess you didn't read EGM then.
If Magical Chase was sold at a store near the Alaskan Panhandle, then it was available everywhere Turbo games were sold.
What I'd like to know is, all the people who are just dying to get a hold of Turbo Magical Chase, but won't settle for any of the viable alternatives:
-What exactly will you do with it once your dream comes true? I can't imagine that playing it can be at the top of the list, if the PC Engine version is out of the question.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: exile on April 21, 2011, 08:07:47 PM
I must have missed the EGM that covered the game. Truthfully I was so heavy into the Genesis and NES I probably didn't have sense back then to scoop up a duo and its final batch of games. In New York its tough to score moderate to limited release games. Back in the days, we didn't have big box stores. No Toys R Us,Target, Walmarts etc. probably why I never saw certain games on the shelf when they were new. Once Funcoland hit the scene, I was able to find games that I thought never released. Its also interesting how a game like Suikoden 2 for the PS was scarce in the city, but when I traveled South to Virginia I was able to cop a used copy for 14.99 months after its release.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: esteban on April 22, 2011, 01:27:00 AM
I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Gogan on April 22, 2011, 02:58:25 AM
The more ppl talk about this stupid game, the higher the perceived value is to sellers, thus driving up the price even more.
If you want it, buy it, if not, stfu.
f*ck magical chase, really sick of hearing bout this.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Jibbajaba on April 22, 2011, 03:45:16 AM
Playing it on a flash card is as close as I'll ever probably get to owning MC. I'm not going for a complete collection like so many of you are. I just like to play games, so I am just trying to collect the good ones, both TG16 and PCE. There are way too many games that are a lot better that cost a lot less than the PCE version of MC. For games where the price to fun ratio is too high, well that's what I have the flash cart for.
Chris
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: geddon_jt on April 22, 2011, 04:09:12 AM
I thought I would chime in and just give some comments, unrelated to the "value/rarity" argument and discussion...
for me, there are some things about Magical Chase that make it quite unique in the Turbo library and fun to own. This is just my take for what it's worth, many of you might think these are ridiculous but so be it.
1. This is a late release third party title made by Quest. Quest went on to make the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre series, which I am quite fond of. Its quite cool to see that by 1993 TTI was allowing the developers to put the actual logo on the front of the box. I'm not sure that any other Quest game in the US for any system has their name right on the front of the box.
2. There are somewhat major changes to the graphics between the US and Japanese versions of Magical Chase. For example, stage 1 has a kind of brick/mossy look to the bottom part of the screen, versus a cartoony tetris-like look in the Japanesve version. I seem to recall other differences, such as the item shop, but it has been a little while since I've played it. Also both versions of the game generally has some very impressive graphics for the console. For example, even the stage 1 miniboss has a very cool spinning animation effect reminiscent of the SNES mode 7. It begs the question why these changes were made to a very late gen release on a dying console. I like to think its because perhaps someone at TTI saw this as an opportunity to really show off the system technologically as one that can stand toe to toe and even exceed many SNES / Genesis titles of the day in the sound and graphics department.
3. The last days of the Turbo suffered from major identity crisis problems. TTI couldn't decide what they wanted. We had tons of pretty crappy Amiga ports, FMV games, weird US developed titles, and then the gold nugget sprite based titles from Japan. The good Japanese game ports were few and far between by 1993 and we all know that these are the games that hold up the best today. MC falls into that category (unlike a game like Darkwing Duck, which some people have compared MC to on the rarity side of things). MC got the royal treatment in this regard.
The fact that not everyone has the means to own the game is absolutely unfortunate. However, the game does have some unique aspects and merit besides the collectability aspect. That's part of the reason why the frequent comparisons to games like Order of the Griffon and Darkwing Duck aren't really spot on... just my opinion.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on April 22, 2011, 06:08:32 AM
That's part of the reason why the frequent comparisons to games like Order of the Griffon and Darkwing Duck aren't really spot on... just my opinion.
The comparisons to Darkwing, and Order are merely for similar print run totals, nothing more.
I understand, but I have heard the argument made that it doesn't make sense that those games don't sell for the same money as MC given the similar print runs/release date etc. My point was there are more relevant factors than just the production quantity alone.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on April 22, 2011, 08:20:03 AM
That's part of the reason why the frequent comparisons to games like Order of the Griffon and Darkwing Duck aren't really spot on... just my opinion.
The comparisons to Darkwing, and Order are merely for similar print run totals, nothing more.
I understand, but I have heard the argument made that it doesn't make sense that those games don't sell for the same money as MC given the similar print runs/release date etc. My point was there are more relevant factors than just the production quantity alone.
How about the fact that OotG is exclusive to North America, while Magical Chase and Dynastic Hero are plentiful in Japan and always available? Plus Dynastic Hero is available in English on Virtual Console and Magical Chase is just another shooter on on a console with an abundance of them. RPGs tend to demand a higher price, especially rare English language ones for niche platforms (look at common Turbo games like Dragon Slayer, Dungeon Explorer II, Ys I & II, Ys III, Exile WP, etc).
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There are somewhat major changes to the graphics between the US and Japanese versions of Magical Chase. For example, stage 1 has a kind of brick/mossy look to the bottom part of the screen, versus a cartoony tetris-like look in the Japanesve version. I seem to recall other differences, such as the item shop, but it has been a little while since I've played it. Also both versions of the game generally has some very impressive graphics for the console. For example, even the stage 1 miniboss has a very cool spinning animation effect reminiscent of the SNES mode 7. It begs the question why these changes were made to a very late gen release on a dying console. I like to think its because perhaps someone at TTI saw this as an opportunity to really show off the system technologically as one that can stand toe to toe and even exceed many SNES / Genesis titles of the day in the sound and graphics department.
You must be thinking of the 3rd stage main boss with fake "mode 7". Both it and the first stage mini boss (which doesn't do any kind of mode 7) are the same in both versions.
I really doubt that TTi made any of the graphical updates to the game. I'm guessing that Quest had alternate versions of aspects that didn't make it into the PCE version, so they handed their most finalized version over to TTi. A good sign of this is the hidden music track that isn't used in the game, but it shows up on the tutorial of Magical Chase GB. Now there's a version that should sell for much more than the TG-16 game. :)
Although Magical Chase is a cool game that does several things that Turbo-haters like to say are "impossible" with the hardware, Mode 7-like stuff is in many Turbo and PCE games. That one boss's scaling effect actually couldn't be done like that with Mode 7 either. :P
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: BlackandBlue on April 22, 2011, 10:08:07 AM
I am willing to sell my kidney and possibly a lung for this game! I need my liver though, so don't ask (I'm looking at you Sparky). :P
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on April 26, 2011, 08:08:50 PM
Exile: thanks for an honest post, I like your attitude. But, I am not talking about someone who is no longer in the community. They would clearly post on ebay or craigslist to sell. However, there are certainly people who no longer want the game, beat it, would rather have the money, or a ton of other games or etc. Or just really love PCFX or other gamers, and would want someone to carry on their copy for a price. The problem is that the "going rate" on this forum is like $300 tops loose, and maybe double that on ebay. So there is a large discrepancy between what turbo collectors think of value compared to some idiot who heard it was rare and wanted to spend a lot of money...
Mathias: I feel like it for life too, I wouldn't want to part with them...
Vestcoat: I feel you, but I would take a PC engine copy, as I like the PC engine as well.
I would be interested in both PCE and TG16 releases, as I just like collecting...
Zeta: I would argue that MC is valuable, ableit it very overpriced. Even if leet gamers don't think it is worth more than 50, there are total nubes who would pay serious money, hence making it valuable. Just like a fur coat is valuable, but I wouldn't pay what it was "worth" as I don't care about it. I have darkwing duck and have played it once, and then tried to snap it in half... I may try it again in several years...
Necromancer: another post about my penis and my ejaculations?
It was about 1 am, and I could not figure it out, as I consider it Dungeons and Dragons game, so I was not sure what he meant.
You accuse me of being part of the problem, but you really don't explain how or why. I already agreed that I was wrong for posting so much about MC. You seem to know me well, although you have never met me, nor spoken with me directly. I am proposing an idea that in theory would take ebay out of the mix completely, for rarer stuff, although it probably would not work.
Even if I was to try to "flip" MC to get paid, how would that work exactly? My time (as well as everyone else's) is certainly worth money, and considering the amount of posts I put on the net, when I do get the game, it will have cost me well more than the asking price, and then to make a couple hundred online, is certainly not worth it. And it doesn't come up that often on auction sites, you guys would be able to connect me very quickly with my fleebay name, and I would be disrespected and shunned more so than now....
My brother and I shared a turbo grafx when it came out, we got games every once in a while from babbages. I truly loved the system, the games, and colors, the black sleekness of the system, and the tiny cards. We kinda stopped playing it, and I played a couple times in high school. And then I went away to school, bought a dreamcast, played a bit, and during that time I remembered how much fun the TG was. And I have gotten back into collecting obviously, hence the interest in completing my collection.
Necromancer You are certainly the most elite entity on this forum, your almost 8000 posts are filled with love, respect and visions of masturbation.
Anyone can be condescending and rude, on the internet, in fact it is very easy. It is a lot harder to be nice and patient.
at least I don't have a picture of my face with mc in the background, sorry RV...:)
I would love to hear more about where the obsession/normalcy of collecting begins and ends. Is there a difference in buying a diamond ring for your girl, or wanting a Toyota Supra, or insert x here. Presumably, some of you are married, bought your girl a diamond ring, and African kids arms were cut off or people were killed and etc... Or how about the new condo or house you are looking to buy, and whatever other stupid material possessions. I am not saying I am above that either... I was trying to get a list of interested parties, in case someone leet gamer wants to sell a copy for $X...
I never saw the Chase in stores, although I probably wasn't looking, and had not heard of it, so I had no reason to look.
this post is way too long and off topic, probably, sorry ladies and gents.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Otaking on April 26, 2011, 11:09:52 PM
I seem to be the only one on the Deep Blue waiting list.
I think I'll also add myself to the Keith Courage waiting list too, C'mon you selfish bastards out there stop hogging all the copies, share the Keithy love.
:arrow:
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Necromancer on April 27, 2011, 03:35:38 AM
You accuse me of being part of the problem, but you really don't explain how or why.
Let me make it simple for you: like the eBay tools driving up prices, you want Magical Chase solely for your collection and to make yourself 'cool'.
As for this hair brained scheme of yours - the 'real' Turbo fans here have been doing it for years. Whenever one of the good guys finds a deal on a highly sought after title, they pass it on to one of the other good guys; 1337 collectors such as yourself need not apply.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: RoyVegas on April 27, 2011, 05:01:56 AM
I seem to be the only one on the Deep Blue waiting list.
I think I'll also add myself to the Keith Courage waiting list too, C'mon you selfish bastards out there stop hogging all the copies, share the Keithy love.
:arrow:
You are in luck HARDCRUE OTAKI!! I happen to have an extra Keith Courage. Its a loosey, but still very valuable!! I offer this to you!!
This waiting list is actually a good idea!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on April 27, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
You need to up your game, as your trollsauce is too weak to garner anything more than a meh.
A meh will suffice.
I'm fairly new around here and even I think you're a loser.
<<still f@cking laughing>>>
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on May 02, 2011, 05:03:57 AM
You said trollsauce :)
theclash: hmmm you didn't see MC?
BlueBMW: Thanks, hoped someone thought it was lol-worthy
jibbajabba: I agree :)
hizaygizirlz: :)
Necromancer: The bikini girls games?
I have been collecting a pretty long time, and I have not bought too much TG stuff recently, I probably couldn't afford it now!
I have had at least a couple chances to buy mc in the last year, I have just waited too long or someone bought it out from under me. I found someone on craigslist, but he didn't want to ship it (understandably), another who had it complete and wanted more than he paid (I just want it loose), another who wound up selling on ebay. And then there are several more people who, for the time being are not interested in selling it. So, I figured I could find someone here who no longer wanted it and etc. So it is not that I cannot find it, it is that something happens and I am not able to buy it.
I guess it is not that hard to find it/buy it, but people who you find on craigslist are reluctant to ship something like mc, so I thought I would find someone on here... I won't delete my prior postings, but I won't do it again, my bad.
I do think that completing my TG would make me gain at least 100 hp, and 50 lvl up. I need 2 games for my virtual boy as well, but the hp/lvl up would not be as good, nor do I want to spend any money on shit games...
I am very surprised at the interest level of TG on ebay, and I am dumbfounded and confused everytime I see sellers listing everything as RARE, OMG RARE and so on. I would love to get a copy of MC, but I don't want to drive up prices online.
Good day!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 24, 2012, 06:36:00 AM
You know, this whole gouging problem could be solved...
Just trade to members (or pay), but mostly trade, so it stays in the community, and the price doesn't just keep going up and up...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: geise on January 24, 2012, 06:45:58 AM
If I had a US MC I would trade i for Coryoon. That's it! It's the only pc-e game left I really want to buy.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 24, 2012, 07:39:34 AM
You know, this whole gouging problem could be solved...
Just trade to members (or pay), but mostly trade, so it stays in the community, and the price doesn't just keep going up and up...
That's how the price jumped from $100 - $1000 in the first place.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 24, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
Funny story. Back when I was starting up MAGFest 1, I approached Steve Garwood about doing some anniversary reprint discs. Fancy stuff, limited editions, numbered, original Duo games in every way except maybe with a MAGFest logo somewhere. This would ahve been late 2001, early 2002.
He kind of laughed at the idea. If you guys remember, he did a limited reprint (1000) of Dungeon Explorer II, disc and back insert only (instructions were photocopied). That would have been 1994 maybe.
Basically what he said was that he had so much trouble getting permissions and sneaking that reprint past the (at the time) rapidly collapsing TTI, that it wouldn't be worth the effort or trouble to do anymore reprint. He also made some vague mention to have thought about it several times and considered trying it before, etc.
Specifically, I asked him to do a hundred copies each of Bonk 3, Super Air Zonk, Dynastic Hero, Beyond Shadowgate, and Terraforming. Of course I was 21 at the time and completely unaware of the minimum 1000 copies rule.
Anyway, would be easy to do nowadays with the technology, except for the instruction booklets. But it would take a chunk of change to 1000 of those games, plus someone would have to eat the investment until enough sold to make it back. Just ask BT how long he sat on 1000 copies of Implode (3-4 years I think).
I imagine doing a chip would be even harder than a CD. Still, makes for a fun thought :-)
I got $500 for my Super Air Zonk and Bonk 3 several years ago. Wish I hadn't sold them now.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 24, 2012, 03:58:18 PM
You know, this whole gouging problem could be solved...
Just trade to members (or pay), but mostly trade, so it stays in the community, and the price doesn't just keep going up and up...
That's how the price jumped from $100 - $1000 in the first place.
From the members, or from throwing that on ebay?
I would be totally down for some reprint action, manuals, cd, or hu... If we received all copyright and trademark clearance, of course.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 24, 2012, 06:12:14 PM
The CDs are easy to make, but they'd be burned instead of pressed and the undersides wouldn't look the same. (Meteor Blaster DX for example). A CD labeling kit would take care of the disc art easily ... with the right ink and right labels. Back inserts are also a cinch and they're virtually indistinguishable.
It's the instruction booklets that are problematic. (cover and back art are easy enough, just the interior is the problem) We'd have to get originals of some of those rare ones and then be willing to pop the staples and flatten them all for scanning. Good luck getting a Magical Chase owner to comply. There's no way my Dynastic Hero booklet is getting un-stapled.
Still doesn't solve the problem of producing chips. I bet Brandon Cobb over at Super Fighter Team would know a way to make HuCards. He's a genius at finding manufacturers in "middle-of-nowhere China", etc.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SMF on January 24, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
These are all good idea's but one thing would drastically backfire. The ORIGINALS would skyrocket in price overnight. Cause there are some of us forum members that would still like to get their hands on a original game. Not to mention the non forum members that would jack the cost up. MC would start looking like a bargin at $1700 when they are asking for double maybe even triple.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 25, 2012, 01:14:27 AM
I will get this game, but it will be the pcengine version. I could care less if it was the USA one, no matter what the differences are. I have one more game to get ahead of this one, then I will own MC.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Necromancer on January 25, 2012, 01:39:39 AM
These are all good idea's but one thing would drastically backfire. The ORIGINALS would skyrocket in price overnight. Cause there are some of us forum members that would still like to get their hands on a original game.
There is no reason to believe that this would happen (look to Sapphire for proof). Nobody is sitting around thinking "Game XXX isn't worth that kind of money to me, so I don't want it.... oh, there's a boot available? Well that changes everything - I must buy an original!"
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 25, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
The CDs are easy to make, but they'd be burned instead of pressed and the undersides wouldn't look the same. (Meteor Blaster DX for example). A CD labeling kit would take care of the disc art easily ... with the right ink and right labels. Back inserts are also a cinch and they're virtually indistinguishable.
Press them like I did for Insanity. You can go as low as 300 minimum.
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It's the instruction booklets that are problematic. (cover and back art are easy enough, just the interior is the problem) We'd have to get originals of some of those rare ones and then be willing to pop the staples and flatten them all for scanning. Good luck getting a Magical Chase owner to comply. There's no way my Dynastic Hero booklet is getting un-stapled.
Unstapling an instruction book is pretty fool-proof. lol
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Still doesn't solve the problem of producing chips. I bet Brandon Cobb over at Super Fighter Team would know a way to make HuCards. He's a genius at finding manufacturers in "middle-of-nowhere China", etc.
uhh. Where have you been?
www.aetherbyte.com (http://www.aetherbyte.com/)
We're in Cleveland, OH. Not China. :)
f*ck Stupid Fighter Team. We don't need his holier than thou horseshit retarding up the Turbob scene.
Cobb doesn't know dick about Turbob.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: RegalSin on January 25, 2012, 03:12:17 AM
How would you contact a game company?
Just walk in threw their doors? because all I know if I call somebody on the phone I am just going to get a moron secretary who makes excuses.
Get Hudson Soft to pre-order for a 500000 copies for 2000 dollars a piece.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 25, 2012, 03:20:27 AM
You write a formal letter. and by you, I mean someone else because you'll f*ck it up and start talking about this one time you were wandering through the forest and encountered minotaurs.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 25, 2012, 03:21:08 AM
You write a formal letter. and by you, I mean someone else because you'll f*ck it up and start talking about this one time you were wandering through the forest and encountered minotaurs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Thats funny shit right there.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 25, 2012, 04:41:13 AM
These are all good idea's but one thing would drastically backfire. The ORIGINALS would skyrocket in price overnight. Cause there are some of us forum members that would still like to get their hands on a original game.
There is no reason to believe that this would happen (look to Sapphire for proof). Nobody is sitting around thinking "Game XXX isn't worth that kind of money to me, so I don't want it.... oh, there's a boot available? Well that changes everything - I must buy an original!" [/quote]
You make a valid point, but there is still those people that seek out the originals for the collector aspect of it. Look at any mint Beatles album. You can buy the reissues but people still go ape shit for a mint White Album lol.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Necromancer on January 25, 2012, 05:19:48 AM
You make a valid point, but there is still those people that seek out the originals for the collector aspect of it. Look at any mint Beatles album. You can buy the reissues but people still go ape shit for a mint White Album lol.
Of course they do, but they don't want the original album because the reissues were produced.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 25, 2012, 05:20:21 AM
You write a formal letter. and by you, I mean someone else because you'll f*ck it up and start talking about this one time you were wandering through the forest and encountered minotaurs.
I say, ha ha
So Soylent green is forum members?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 25, 2012, 10:12:26 AM
I'd be afraid my instruction booklet would get roughed up in the un-stapling process. And 300 minimum pressing makes a lot of difference. That's great news. (I always thought it was 1000)
I didn't know there was so much love for Cobb here. I've dealt with him a few times, seemed okay to me ... but please do tell what's wrong with him. (I'm rather ambivalent on the subject.)
One more thing, where can we have Hus produced here in the USA?
I'll write the letter if you guys need. I'll be arrogant and toot my horn for a minute here. I have a Terminal Masters in Writing. I'm working on a PhD in Writing. I've taught College Composition for seven years now. There's not much else I'm good at, but I can write a letter and be professional and diplomatic when I need to be. Just let me know what you need and I'll be glad to help.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: MotherGunner on January 25, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
That is very impressive Jay! (Your education).
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 25, 2012, 11:01:56 AM
Thank you :-) But let's concentrate on something vastly more important than education and art & humanities and scholarship and all that ..... let's concentrate on making turbo-grafx games!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 25, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
Wow .. wait a minute ... where have I been? Arkhan ... how and where did you make HuCards? That's amazing!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 26, 2012, 01:02:50 AM
Wow .. wait a minute ... where have I been? Arkhan ... how and where did you make HuCards? That's amazing!
The credit goes to TheOldMan, the other dude at Aetherbyte. They were made in Cleveland, OH. They've been in the works all year. We had goonier prototypes demo'd at CCAG back in June. :) This is the more refined "hey this is pretty awesome" version.
As for Cobb:
The guy's a moron. He's full of himself and blabs about how Super Fighter Team is the best at what they do (which is take other peoples work and publish it, taking most if not all of the credit). His attitude shows that he is more interested in his image/making $$ than he is video games.
His site has little things you start to notice that make him sound idiotic. There's the IGN quote on the homepage. The quote is retarded, and using it to look better makes you doubletarded.
Then he claims to be the most dedicated. That's debatable, considering the people who program these games are arguably far more dedicated than the guy who does the publishing. Also, http://matranet.net/ does high quality publishing for MSX and Spectrum. I have many of those games. They are more dedicated, IMO. The people in that group actively hang with the developers and stay involved. They don't shove themselves up on some pedestal and go HURRR I AM THE BEST.
My favorite still is his raging ignorance. Star Odyssey's page has "We're proud to bring yet another first to the classic gaming market: Japanese partnership!"
There were Euro/Japanese MSX partnerships way before this putz acquired the rights to Super Fighter and went on to make a mockery of the game and name. If you think you're doing it first in 2011, you're a retart and obviously have zero clue what you are talking about and aren't as dedicated as you claim to be. Woomb/Bazix/D4/lolMSXdiditalready.
OldRover could tell you more about the time Cobb approached him about making Turbo Grafx HuCards.
I pity anyone who gets suckered in by the Cobbwebb and lets the guy basically take all the credit for their actual work. He's like the Steve Jobs of retro gaming. You wouldn't believe how many people see SUPER FIGHTER TEAM and think the guy writes these games himself. It's because he makes mention of the original programming group on each page, at the bottom, barely... and then his big stupid looking logo dwarfs everything else.
Plus he basically only posts on forums to peddle his latest game, which is usually a Sega game in a shitty clamshell that shatters like a 90 year olds hip the first time you try opening it. He doesn't care about any of this stuff or the people involved. He just wants to go HURRRR I PUBLSIHED A GAMES .
I hope he approaches me one day so I can punch him in the nose with a power glove on.
It sucks too, since the games he publishes are pretty neat. (Except for the bug in Beggar Prince that renders it unplayable/have to restart). I still haven't grabbed Star Odyssey. I'll order it, even though I hate giving that pole smoker any of my cash.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 26, 2012, 01:26:21 AM
Question guys. Say I wanted to have some runs done, such as Bonk 3, Beyond Shadowgate, or whatever... Looking at the companies that actually handle the disc pressing, such as the one Arkhan used, there is a form to fill out. Basically saying you own the rights to be able to repro it, bla bla bla. How does one get around that? Is it even checked on? I mean, Sapphire was done somehow...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 26, 2012, 01:38:18 AM
They won't replicate anything that's still bound by copyright. you have to sign a form declaring that this is all your intellectual property.
Now, if you were to go to Changs CD and Chicken Emporium, I doubt they would care. Overseas produced bootlegs are normal, lol
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 26, 2012, 02:00:19 AM
They won't replicate anything that's still bound by copyright. you have to sign a form declaring that this is all your intellectual property.
Now, if you were to go to Changs CD and Chicken Emporium, I doubt they would care. Overseas produced bootlegs are normal, lol
Well, if thats the case, then a lot of the games we had talked about getting pressed cant be done, right? Or am I missing something... For example, The Dynastic Hero or MM3.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 26, 2012, 02:08:58 AM
They won't replicate anything that's still bound by copyright. you have to sign a form declaring that this is all your intellectual property.
Now, if you were to go to Changs CD and Chicken Emporium, I doubt they would care. Overseas produced bootlegs are normal, lol
Well, if thats the case, then a lot of the games we had talked about getting pressed cant be done, right? Or am I missing something... For example, The Dynastic Hero or MM3.
You'd have to do it at an overseas presser. Or lie when you sign the forms and hope noone notices at the pressing house, lol.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: geise on January 26, 2012, 02:47:16 AM
Haha! "Oh really!? I didn't know!" :-"
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 26, 2012, 02:48:12 AM
well on the bright side, I doubt they could verify any of it as they probably don't have a Duo layin around.
lol
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 26, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
turbografx > lawsuit
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 26, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Don't you remember the fine print on all post post NEC Working Designs stuff, "blah blah registered trademarks of Turbo-Grafx. Who cares now? They're history anyway."
Yes it's ironic that Vic used to print stuff like that.
Arkhan, you're hilarious. Yes I DO kinda catch a whiff of ego every time I talk to Cobb. I can't blame him too much. I love screaming up and down how I started MAGFest now that it's getting really big. (Ego? guilty as charged.)
Anyway, kudos on the HuCards. I'll ask Rover about that story sometime. Don't want to bug him too much so he can finish up MSR.
If you guys get serious about doing some reproductions and you need a professional writer or editor, you know where to find me. Always glad to help.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 26, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
I bet someone bought up ze copyrights and trademarks, Dr. Jones. You can be sure, there will be hell to pay if they find out someone in the US is printing games, boxes and or manuals...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 26, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
I bet someone bought up ze copyrights and trademarks, Dr. Jones. You can be sure, there will be hell to pay if they find out someone in the US is printing games, boxes and or manuals...
If something were limited to 300 copes and was sold only privately, and sold out instantly, nobody would give a shit. Even if they did, there would be no time to respond.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 27, 2012, 12:50:42 AM
Arkhan, you're hilarious. Yes I DO kinda catch a whiff of ego every time I talk to Cobb. I can't blame him too much. I love screaming up and down how I started MAGFest now that it's getting really big. (Ego? guilty as charged.)
Ego is fine when you do something useful. You deserve to wave your weener around about it a little.
Cobb's ego is built off incorrect, asinine claims. His entire core is built around acquiring the rights to someone else's work. I'm thrilled he's publishing Sega games, but it isn't like he's doing something ground breaking. Pier Solar proves you don't need his toolbaggery to make a Sega game. The NES, Atari, Coleco, MSX, Spectrum and C64 markets prove you don't need him to produce anything really. Knight n Grail for C64 is sex. Cobb had nothing to do with it.
and then there's the PCE. We don't need anyone. We can produce this shit from our living rooms and basements! \o/
He's a salesman, and his site screams that left and right. Is it really necessary to put a quote from yourself at the top of a page? No. It's not. Stop being a shmuck.
The people who should be flailing around bragging and waving their purple headed yogurt slingers around are all the developers. All the idea people. All the people who are actually doing work outside of publishing it. If I had someone else produce Insanity, and they proceeded to weave a Cobbweb of lies and filth about it, I'd hit them with my car.
"WERE PROUD TO PRESENT A FIRST IN HOMEBREW: PCE CD GAMES" (what about meteor blaster and Implode?!)
etc. etc.
The people who MADE the games deserve more credit and attention than Cobbweb gives them. He should be verbally blowing them for even completing work for him to publish and slap his goony looking logo all over. I'd like to break that chicks fingers off of my Wukong box. She's a wannabe Chun-Li. Get off my clamshell, skankbag.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Shrapnoid on January 27, 2012, 01:52:23 AM
Until I read this thread, I had no idea that Order of the Griffon and Darkwing were suposedly so rare. I've had both of these games for nearly a decade and I got them dirt cheap at a dusty old flea market in S.C.
The booth owner told me that he only had one other customer who collected TG16 games.
All I really need for those two, are manuals and Labels but, since Sparky is doing label sets and I already have the pdf scans from replacementdocs and vimm's lair, I know I can do this without paying silly ebay prices which I wouldn't do anyway even for mint stuff.
As for MC, that gouging wont last much longer when they start to see that the real collectors who've been following the system since it first came out aren't going to bite. It's only because of all of the hype -mainly on youtube- with people going on about how much they payed for it and how they just had to have it and couldn't believe that they got one and all of that crap.
All those greedy freaks on ebay... I've offered to sale some of my doubles at only a fraction of what they're asking for most stuff.
Price gouging makes me sick!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 27, 2012, 01:55:24 AM
Around my hood, there aren't many actual turbo grafx collectors. There are some "collectors"... the ones that are like HAH BONK IS RAER I HAVE LIKE 500$ WORTH OF STUFF, but they just have a turbob with no cover, a loose bonk, a keith courage, and some spare controllers.
and are convinced everything is rare...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 27, 2012, 02:05:41 AM
Around my hood, there aren't many actual turbo grafx collectors. There are some "collectors"... the ones that are like HAH BONK IS RAER I HAVE LIKE 500$ WORTH OF STUFF, but they just have a turbob with no cover, a loose bonk, a keith courage, and some spare controllers.
and are convinced everything is rare...
Im convinced they are just mentally retarded..
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 27, 2012, 02:08:26 AM
Well, I never said they weren't.
:)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Shrapnoid on January 27, 2012, 02:20:02 AM
What it really is is ignorance and those ebay gougers *know* that all too well. I'll bet when ever they do manage to sucker some poor punk out of half his pay check, they sit back, counting the cash while giggling about how dumb people seem to be these days!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 27, 2012, 05:09:15 AM
Until I read this thread, I had no idea that Order of the Griffon and Darkwing were suposedly so rare. I've had both of these games for nearly a decade and I got them dirt cheap at a dusty old flea market in S.C.
The booth owner told me that he only had one other customer who collected TG16 games.
All I really need for those two, are manuals and Labels but, since Sparky is doing label sets and I already have the pdf scans from replacementdocs and vimm's lair, I know I can do this without paying silly ebay prices which I wouldn't do anyway even for mint stuff.
As for MC, that gouging wont last much longer when they start to see that the real collectors who've been following the system since it first came out aren't going to bite. It's only because of all of the hype -mainly on youtube- with people going on about how much they payed for it and how they just had to have it and couldn't believe that they got one and all of that crap.
All those greedy freaks on ebay... I've offered to sale some of my doubles at only a fraction of what they're asking for most stuff.
Price gouging makes me sick!
OotG and Darkwing Duck aren't rare, there are just as many of each as Magical Chase, which also isn't rare. The "rarest" Turbo game is Dynastic Hero, which was supposed to have been mail order only. As long there's been a trading or selling market for Turbo games online, I've seen Magical Chase available regularly, unlike many other games that don't have crazy collector prices. Although MC has always had a reputation of being uncommon, up until the recent market manipulation, it always sold at the most, for equal to or less than other Turbo games like Beyond Shadowgate. But the entire Turbo market hasn't proportionately increased together with Magical Chase, only Magical Chase has. It's proof that by even the craziest and most gouged collector values, Magical Chase's perceived value among a small group of people is completely baseless and doomed to bottom out sooner or later. They're all just trying to skim a profit before the price drops and not be the last one sitting on a stash of "rare" beanie babies the moment it's all over.
Games like OotG, DD, Tailspin and Nigh Creatures should be more valuable by both collector and player values. Unlike Magical Chase, they don't have PC Engine versions. So either those games are worth $1000 each or MC is worth $10. If you're going argue that player value should be based on content, Magical Chase is still not the best Turbo or PCE game. So MC as a collectible fails at rarity, unavailability, exclusivity, quality, and nature market price growth and proportionate Turbo game pricing.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 27, 2012, 05:13:23 AM
Magical Chase is ok, but I'd take tons of other horizontal shooters that are falling out of everyones ass.
RType!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 27, 2012, 05:15:21 AM
OotG and Darkwing Duck aren't rare, there are just as many of each as Magical Chase, which also isn't rare. The "rarest" Turbo game is Dynastic Hero, which was supposed to have been mail order only. As long there's been a trading or selling market for Turbo games online, I've seen Magical Chase available regularly, unlike many other games that don't have crazy collector prices.
CD games aside, there is evidence to suggest that MC is the rarest Turbochip. I've posted some arguments in the past here and here.
There's a tendency among greybeards to cross their arms and sagely inform newcomers that "pfff...Magical Chase isn't rare!" Yes, we see it traded a lot, but that's because the rarest Turbochip will always have the highest demand, not because it's common. There will always be an endless line of impulsive, desperate guys like alexsduo willing to do anything for a copy and after six months they'll be the next royvegas trying to get out of debt, buy a house, or get married and we'll see the same copies for sale again.
Although MC has always had a reputation of being uncommon, up until the recent market manipulation, it always sold at the most, for equal to or less than other Turbo games like Beyond Shadowgate.
How far are you going back? I'd say that the market really went to seed in 2007. Before that, young collectors were fairly rare and BIN hadn't taken over ebay. MC has consistently been the most expensive U.S. game since I started paying attention at the beginning of '05 and copies of BS have never been close. Even in the Nineties, it was exceedingly rare: TZD sold out instantly and Radioshack and Games to Go (MPLS former Turbo Mecca) had Dynastic Hero, Hero Tonma, OotG, and Beyond Shadowgate, but not MC. The only time it ever seems to have been merely uncommon was when there were a handful of collectors on the Turbolist and they were more interested in SCD RPGs than yet another Turbochip shooter.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 27, 2012, 06:47:08 AM
OotG and Darkwing Duck aren't rare, there are just as many of each as Magical Chase, which also isn't rare. The "rarest" Turbo game is Dynastic Hero, which was supposed to have been mail order only. As long there's been a trading or selling market for Turbo games online, I've seen Magical Chase available regularly, unlike many other games that don't have crazy collector prices.
CD games aside, there is evidence to suggest that MC is the rarest Turbochip. I've posted some arguments in the past here and here.
There's a tendency among greybeards to cross their arms and sagely inform newcomers that "pfff...Magical Chase isn't rare!" Yes, we see it traded a lot, but that's because the rarest Turbochip will always have the highest demand, not because it's common. There will always be an endless line of impulsive, desperate guys like alexsduo willing to do anything for a copy and after six months they'll be the next royvegas trying to get out of debt, buy a house, or get married and we'll see the same copies for sale again.
Although MC has always had a reputation of being uncommon, up until the recent market manipulation, it always sold at the most, for equal to or less than other Turbo games like Beyond Shadowgate.
How far are you going back? I'd say that the market really went to seed in 2007. Before that, young collectors were fairly rare and BIN hadn't taken over ebay. MC has consistently been the most expensive U.S. game since I started paying attention at the beginning of '05 and copies of BS have never been close. Even in the Nineties, it was exceedingly rare: TZD sold out instantly and Radioshack and Games to Go (MPLS former Turbo Mecca) had Dynastic Hero, Hero Tonma, OotG, and Beyond Shadowgate, but not MC. The only time it ever seems to have been merely uncommon was when there were a handful of collectors on the Turbolist and they were more interested in SCD RPGs than yet another Turbochip shooter.
From the late ninties onward. Even on this forum for years people scoffed at the ridiculous asking prices as high as $100. Not simply because no game is worth that, but because, like many games, you could get it at a decent price if you simply patient. But it was one of those titles that non-Turbo-fan Turbo collectors happened to have trouble finding instantly when assembling instant collections and it gained a reputation within the non-Turbo-fan collecting community, which ran separate from the reputation with the Turbo community. All it takes is a ridiculously incorrect rarity score in a bullshit rarity guide to destroy a game like this. Anyone who has to reference a guide doesn't have a feel for the subject and is basing the value of something solely on what someone or something tells them.
Independant and U.S. Only releases like Klax, Sidearms, Tricky Kick, Parasol Stars, etc probably have very low print numbers by TG-16 standards. Some may actually not be as low as Magical Chase, but if they're still some of the lowest, then they should go for hundreds of dollars if rarity is the driving force of MC prices.
I'm not saying that MC isn't rare by general video game standards, all Turbo games are. But there's no way MC is much rarer than several other Turbo games that don't go for crazy prices. Ever since I got online I've always seen MC for sale or trade, but for years I never saw games like Darkwing Duck, Legend of Hero Tonma, Beyond Shadowgate, etc.
For the MC prices to reflect its rarity, there shouldn't be such a huge jump in price between it and other Turbo games. Dynastic Hero is definitely much rarer, but even its crazy gouged prices are maybe half of MC's and Dynastic Hero has always been harder to find. Especially back in the day.
Even if it could be proven that MC holds the title as having the lowest print run, the number is still not that low. No Turbo game is. There seem to be way more MCs than System 3.0 cards, but even those aren't that overpriced.
There is still no logical explanation based on supply and demand, that MC should remain steady at $100 - $150 tops for a long time and then jump to $500 and then the sky's the limit. Did 90% of them suddenly disappear?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SMF on January 27, 2012, 07:31:42 AM
They didn't disappear persay, Just along with the 1st set of Beanies that was released I've got my basement ful waiting to die a very rich (poor) Man MUWHAHAHAHAH
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 27, 2012, 07:59:15 AM
Just a quick note, I don't think the perceived Magical Chase rarity whether accurate or not is because of print run, but rather because when TTI closed their doors some stock excess stock that didn't go to TZD was destroyed, and being a less noteworthy title than Bonk and some of the others, fewer copies were spared from doom than other titles. As a result fewer remain today.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 27, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
Just a quick note, I don't think the perceived Magical Chase rarity whether accurate or not is because of print run, but rather because when TTI closed their doors some stock excess stock that didn't go to TZD was destroyed, and being a less noteworthy title than Bonk and some of the others, fewer copies were spared from doom than other titles. As a result fewer remain today.
This is one of the main points I made in the links above. 1) Penultimate Turbochip + third-party release = one of the smallest print runs. 2) Late1993 = very few copies shipped to stores 3) Stock was destroyed 4) No-name, third-party release = very few copies saved from the bulldozer.
It’s best to address price and rarity separately. My main point is rarity. I think it’s the rarest Turbochip (CDs are a different kettle of fish), but not by a big enough margin to warrant a higher cost than DH or BS, which are probably equally rare.
As far as prices, there’s no rational explanation. Here’s one theory: maybe CD “backups” played a role in giving MC a headstart over the SCD rarities ten years ago. We used to get more guys around here asking for roms, asking how to play burned discs, or just making off-handed comments like, “oh, I’m not going to bother with the expensive games; I have backups.” It was quiet different than these days, now all of the noobs want complete collections. Back then it was still possible to find 72-minute CDrs while flash cards were in their infancy. The small niche of gamers who enjoy original hardware, but aren’t too particular about their software may have been enough to tip the scales early on.
What really gets me is a particular guy who sells on ebay... I asked him if he had MC, because of the items(s) he was selling, and he told me he had 6 or 8 copies. And when I keep harassing him, presumably to sell me a copy, he told me he was holding on to them for investment purposes.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 09:39:20 AM
I always thought MC (Like Dynastic) was basically ONLY available through TZD. We could email Garwood over at ampie and find out. He's always very forthcoming with answers. But then last time I talked to him I made a joke about the Johnny Turbo comic only to find out the characters were based on real people who are friends of his. Whoops :-( (Apologies if either of you are out there, reading this)
Arkhan, once again you're hilarious. I only have one thing to say. I MAKEZ GAMZZZZ FEST. ONLEE MEEEZZZ !!!!!!! (I really think I'm going to make that my new tag.) Seriously though, I'm PMing Rover right now to get the rest of the Cobb story. You know what someone should do? Get that pic of him off his website (where he has his hand under his chin trying to emulate Rodin's Thinker), and maybe maybe pencil in a mustache and glasses and maybe some cartoon genitalia poking in the head. Juvenile YES! But still will be classic hilarity. And yes, Pier Solar turned out better than Beggar Prince, Wukong, or Star Odyssey (but those 3 are good too).
Anyway, I'll message Rover and Garwood this weekend. Will see what Steve says.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2012, 09:41:37 AM
MC is expensive because people want it to be expensive. Certain people need a Holy Grail to worship, obtain, and then use as a way to self identify as a Big Tymer.
That's it. No other reason. If MC was a pack-in game these people would just pick something else to dick ride.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 27, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
I always thought MC (Like Dynastic) was basically ONLY available through TZD. We could email Garwood over at ampie and find out. He's always very forthcoming with answers. But then last time I talked to him I made a joke about the Johnny Turbo comic only to find out the characters were based on real people who are friends of his. Whoops :-( (Apologies if either of you are out there, reading this)
Arkhan, once again you're hilarious. I only have one thing to say. I MAKEZ GAMZZZZ FEST. ONLEE MEEEZZZ !!!!!!! (I really think I'm going to make that my new tag.) Seriously though, I'm PMing Rover right now to get the rest of the Cobb story. You know what someone should do? Get that pic of him off his website (where he has his hand under his chin trying to emulate Rodin's Thinker), and maybe maybe pencil in a mustache and glasses and maybe some cartoon genitalia poking in the head. Juvenile YES! But still will be classic hilarity. And yes, Pier Solar turned out better than Beggar Prince, Wukong, or Star Odyssey (but those 3 are good too).
Anyway, I'll message Rover and Garwood this weekend. Will see what Steve says.
I bought Magical Chase brand new for $5 from a Canadian Radio Shack in 1994.
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This is one of the main points I made in the links above. 1) Penultimate Turbochip + third-party release = one of the smallest print runs. 2) Late1993 = very few copies shipped to stores 3) Stock was destroyed 4) No-name, third-party release = very few copies saved from the bulldozer.
But I've been talking about how common it's been since post-TTi to now, not how there were stacks and stacks in stores bitd.
What makes you think it is a third party release?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
I was always under the impression that Steve got his hands on everything. There was no bulldozing specifically because of him (TZD). Of course, that wouldn't account for stock already in retail outlets. But then, I'm not sure. I emailed him and asked these things. Will see if he responds.
Best deals I got ... Beyond Shadowgate for $5 from Electronics Boutique in late 1993 and Dynastic Hero from a friend for $30 in late 1998. Wish I'd grabbed a few others like Godzilla and Cotton when I had the chance. I think MC is the only US release I've never actually seen in person.
P.S. Arkhan ... yes, Rover's story was very enlightening.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
Oh, the Magical Chase at Radio Shack ... did they have to special order it for you? Or was it there on the shelf? Radio Shack was one of TZD's longest running retailers. I could still walk into a Shack here in Roanoke as late as 2005 and they would be able to order Turbo games for me. Steve at one point did confirm for me, it was him they were ordering from.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 27, 2012, 11:10:34 AM
But I've been talking about how common it's been since post-TTi to now, not how there were stacks and stacks in stores bitd.
Read my post again. I'm not talking about the number of copies that were in stores (Games To Go was a second hand store c.1995-98). I'm talking about why there are most likely fewer copies of MC in existence than any other Turbochip.
OK, it was a no-name Quest game released by TTI. It's still the second-to-last Turbochip, it's not Bonk 3, and there's the bulldozed stock report. Whether or not you believe it, these are the only things we have to go on aside from personal accounts of how many times each of us have happened to see individual games. If anyone can present a plausible theory for why Darkwing Duck or Hero Tonma are rarer, I'm all ears.
I was always under the impression that Steve got his hands on everything. There was no bulldozing specifically because of him (TZD).
It seems unlikely that a startup company could afford all of TTI's unused stock. See the link above.
BTW, is Steve's record store still around? I thought that went under too.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:18:00 AM
Seems plausible enough .. but it's still all circumstantial. I'll wait until I hear back from a traceable source (like Steve) before I decide what I think.
Yeah, you can still email Steve at ampie.com Don't go flooding his box though :-D
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:23:54 AM
OH I was reading on the other thread about that Sapphire reprint. They were done buy some guy in Germany through a pressing company in China. Same guy who did that "official" release of Space Fantasy Zone. his website was something like. anime.sapphire.de
I talked to him once. Said he did about 100 of the SFZ. Not sure about the Sapphire. I think (to protect himself at the time), he claimed that they were "found" in a Chinese warehouse.
Kinda wish I'd gotten one of the SFZ, but I never would ahve opened it... couldn't bring myself to buy it just as a trophy. I think the lowest he'd go on them was about $125 shipped anyway. He finally sold out of them.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:25:17 AM
http://sapphire.anime4ever.de/
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:31:26 AM
The bulldozer story is true. Waiting on permission to post my source so it's official and credible.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 27, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
Oh, the Magical Chase at Radio Shack ... did they have to special order it for you? Or was it there on the shelf? Radio Shack was one of TZD's longest running retailers. I could still walk into a Shack here in Roanoke as late as 2005 and they would be able to order Turbo games for me. Steve at one point did confirm for me, it was him they were ordering from.
Not sure why you're cling to this "not in stores" business...I know you're newer here, but any of the MC discussions have multiple posts of people (like myself as well) seeing MC in a variety of stores. EBGames Southridge Mall, Milwaukee, WI.... MC on the shelf with 2-3 behind the counter back in the day. Seen also at Toys R Us...this is far from a mail order/special order only game.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2012, 11:39:02 AM
OH I was reading on the other thread about that Sapphire reprint. They were done buy some guy in Germany through a pressing company in China. Same guy who did that "official" release of Space Fantasy Zone. his website was something like. anime.sapphire.de
I talked to him once. Said he did about 100 of the SFZ. Not sure about the Sapphire. I think (to protect himself at the time), he claimed that they were "found" in a Chinese warehouse.
Kinda wish I'd gotten one of the SFZ, but I never would ahve opened it... couldn't bring myself to buy it just as a trophy. I think the lowest he'd go on them was about $125 shipped anyway. He finally sold out of them.
The Sapphires he made were very nice. However, anyone who pays more than $5 for the SFZs is a f*cking chump though. They are CDRs, for f*ck's sake...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:43:06 AM
I kind of figured they were CDRs with pretty packaging. Never get one myself.
Pardon my newness, just wanting to be clear on issues.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 27, 2012, 11:47:12 AM
Oh, the Magical Chase at Radio Shack ... did they have to special order it for you? Or was it there on the shelf? Radio Shack was one of TZD's longest running retailers. I could still walk into a Shack here in Roanoke as late as 2005 and they would be able to order Turbo games for me. Steve at one point did confirm for me, it was him they were ordering from.
lol, they wouldn't special order a game for $5. :P It was in a clearance bin along with Cotton and a Duo Tap and a Duo Pad or two that I bought for the same price. Before that visit to the store, I had been mail ordering Duo games like DEII, Madden and Lords from them for $20 each for about a year. Radio Shack in Canada was not affiliated with the American company. They licensed the name and carried a lot of the same things though.
They definitely never dealt with TZD, since they refused to sell to Canadians. When they eventually gave us the privelage of dealing with them, they wanted something ridiculous like $30 shipping per game. Whatever it was, it made the games much more (double?) expensive than anywhere else online. I don't remember if I actually went through with a transaction with TZD in the last year or so, but I at least contacted them to find that they were finally charging reasonable prices to sell to Canadians.
Radio Shack in both Canada and the U.S. was definitely one of the longest running NEC and TTi retailers. I doubt that Radio Shacks in the U.S. kept selling Turbo games for TZD through the 32-bit generation. They definitely stopped in Canada when TTi went under.
Read my post again. I'm not talking about the number of copies that were in stores (Games To Go was a second hand store c.1995-98). I'm talking about why there are most likely fewer copies of MC in existence than any other Turbochip.
Yeah, but none of that is unique to Magical Chase.
I believe that there may be as few copies of Magical Chase in existence as any TurboChip, but I've still seen it around as often as other games and for a long time, much more than games like Darkwing Duck. Plus I've yet to find games like Darkwing Duck, Ghost Manor and Hero Tonma, in the wild, but I did find Magical Chase bitd. There may even be fewer copies of MC than any other TurboChip game, but it can't be a big difference, unless only a few hundred were made and for some reason they're always for sale.
OK, it was a no-name Quest game released by TTI. It's still the second-to-last Turbochip, it's not Bonk 3, and there's the bulldozed stock report. Whether or not you believe it, these are the only things we have to go on aside from personal accounts of how many times each of us have happened to see individual games. If anyone can present a plausible theory for why Darkwing Duck or Hero Tonma are rarer, I'm all ears.
I only skimmed the posts for a while, but I didn't see anything in that story claiming that they singled out Magical Chase for destruction.
I don't doubt that many people are sitting on copies of Magical Chase though, like TZD did. Many "investment" minded people were hoarding games like MC back when it was only hard to find, but hadn't skyrocketed artificially.
I was always under the impression that Steve got his hands on everything. There was no bulldozing specifically because of him (TZD).
It seems unlikely that a startup company could afford all of TTI's unused stock. See the link above.
BTW, is Steve's record store still around? I thought that went under too.
Does it seem likely that once they gave up on trying to sell the stock at the prices the few takers could only afford to buy so much of, that instead of calling them up and saying "just take the rest", they instead spent money on destroying everything? If they were looking to lose money, why not just destroy everything in the first place?
Making theories about why Magical Chase could technically be the rarest of all doesn't prove anything unfortunately. If we could magically find out how many copies of any game currently exist and it turned out that MC was way lower than the rest, then these kinds of theories would offer possible explanations. But we don't even know how rare any game really is. All that we do know is that there are a lot of people with an interest in keeping MC inflated and are actively working towards feeding every aspect of the hype. At this point, with the game being held hostage by buttery 133t collectors, it's the same difference.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2012, 11:48:03 AM
If you can get one of the Sapphires for a decent price, say, $35, go for it. They are nearly indistinguishable from the real deal.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
Yeah Happy Conosle Gamer said something to me the other day about TZD being "not-Canada friendly." (He's up in Vancouver.) I never knew. But yeah, you make complete sense.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 11:50:32 AM
I think the guy still custom makes the SFZ. SOmething on his website about "sold out, but please inquire" I don't think he'd take a reasonable price though. I'd just want it for all the pretty paper packaging bits anyway.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 01:57:40 PM
1600 copies of Magical Chase were destroyed on bulldozer day. TZD got 100 copies plus whatever was out there retail.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
only 500 copies of dynastic hero were made, but apparently (and this all from memory) TZD had every single copy. Now here's what's interesting ..... m&m3, godzilla, bonk3 cd, super air zonk .... also only 500 ... meaning dynastic is no more or less rare than any of those. please post if you have additional info to add or corrections.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 02:04:00 PM
Dungeon explorer 2 was two print runs of 500 each. Beyond shadowgate, terraforming and cotton around 250 each plus whatever was out on retail. The rest was destoryed.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2012, 02:30:28 PM
I think the guy still custom makes the SFZ. SOmething on his website about "sold out, but please inquire" I don't think he'd take a reasonable price though. I'd just want it for all the pretty paper packaging bits anyway.
Just make one yourself. A quality laser printer and CD burner can do whatever this guy does. Seriously, it isn't worth jack.
The Sapphires are a lot more valuable, at least to me. They are pressed CDs, offset print, quality all the way.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
Oh I had one, but never opened it and traded it. No ACD plus I nabbed it on PSP (traitorous I know)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
The problem with SFZ is that I'd need printable images of the fold out instruction bookletN back insertN and spine. Plus he did a nice job on the cd cover itself. I don't have a cd labeling kit
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mathius on January 27, 2012, 03:44:39 PM
So many MCs destroyed. I know it's over-hyped but that is really sad.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 04:09:22 PM
Yeah it was incredibly nice of Steve to provide me with so many exact figures. Who knows how many MCs hit retail? (Prolly more than 500. Pity those outer boxes never survive) also interesting that a game like godzilla is just as rare as dynastic, but not worth nearly as much
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 27, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
The problem with SFZ is that I'd need printable images of the fold out instruction bookletN back insertN and spine. Plus he did a nice job on the cd cover itself. I don't have a cd labeling kit
You can just make the book yourself. His isn't "official" or anything. The game never even came out. Whatever he put in there (I actually don't know) is just random SFZ related crap he found on the internet.
BTW, there was recently some talk here of making some better bootlegs. This may or may not come about.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 27, 2012, 10:10:42 PM
Hmmmm. SFZ with english language packaging? That could be awesome-ness! Never had an ACD or Kisado. Could never bring myseld to unshrink my 2nd run sapphire anyway. I only have about 40 pce/duo games, but proud to say I've had several of the rare ones since day 1.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mathius on January 28, 2012, 04:22:01 AM
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 05:52:43 AM
Considering there are only 500 each of most of those games in existence minus however many have been lost over the decades (in English), I think an unofficial second print would be great. Run them on a press. Make them indistinguishable except for a clear and unmoveable "SECOND PRINT" notation on the disc and in the instructions.
According to Steve Garwood, the rarest ones (500 or less) are Might & Magic 3, Godzilla, Super Air Zonk, Bonk 3 CD, Dynastic Hero, Cotton, and Beyond Shadowgate. (I imagine Exile II and Dungeon Explorer II follow close behind ... but then Ex2 might be tricky because of the sleeve)
Pick one title. Do between 300-500 copies. Sell them at a slight profit to cover other expenses that might occur. (Also the excess cash could be used to fund the second game while the first one is still selling.) No one gets paid except for people who provide graphic design, programming, and other services (English translation and manual perhaps for SFZ). All the excess money stays in an account for the next project, etc.
My credit decent and available. If you guys are serious about that sort of thing, I'd be willing to bank roll a decent sum up front.
I like the idea of starting with an English project version of Space Fantasy Zone or a reprint of Dynastic. Might and Magic 3 and Shadowgate might be a tad more expensive because of the enclosed map/posters and larger jewel cases.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mathius on January 28, 2012, 06:23:30 AM
Go into the thread above and state your case. That'll help to keep this nice and tidy. :)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 06:36:00 AM
They'll probably just laugh at me, but I'll do it just as soon as put this load of laundry in :-)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 06:36:33 AM
Yeah, but none of that is unique to Magical Chase.
Ahhh....Yes it is. Fact: MC was the penultimate Turbochip. Fact: it didn't have the name recognition of Bonk 3 or Bomberman. Fact: it wasn't licensed from giants like Disney, Capcom, or Hudson. Gee, now let's see, could ANY of these points factor into how many were destroyed? :-k
I believe that there may be as few copies of Magical Chase in existence as any TurboChip, but I've still seen it around as often as other games and for a long time, much more than games like Darkwing Duck. Plus I've yet to find games like Darkwing Duck, Ghost Manor and Hero Tonma, in the wild, but I did find Magical Chase bitd. There may even be fewer copies of MC than any other TurboChip game, but it can't be a big difference, unless only a few hundred were made and for some reason they're always for sale.
...aside from personal accounts of how many times each of us have happened to see individual games. If anyone can present a plausible theory for why Darkwing Duck or Hero Tonma are rarer, I'm all ears.
Does it seem likely that once they gave up on trying to sell the stock at the prices the few takers could only afford to buy so much of, that instead of calling them up and saying "just take the rest", they instead spent money on destroying everything? If they were looking to lose money, why not just destroy everything in the first place?
destruction of unsold merchandise is extremely common- especially when a business is going under. in order to have debts forgiven and be liquidated, all assets must be sold. whatever is not sold may NOT be kept in most cases because that company has to be zeroed out without and value on the books. you can't just keep your products lying around and make profit in the future when you owe money now.
Anyway, thanks to jayamine, we've now confirmed the bulldozer story from the horse's mouth. I never want to hear someone compare MC to OotG again.
Radio Shack in both Canada and the U.S. was definitely one of the longest running NEC and TTi retailers. I doubt that Radio Shacks in the U.S. kept selling Turbo games for TZD through the 32-bit generation. They definitely stopped in Canada when TTi went under.
I ordered games through Radio Shack in the U.S. until 1998 or so. I got Soldier Blade, Bomberman 93, Dragon Slayer, Ys 3, and Shockman.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 06:41:32 AM
Yeah, but none of that is unique to Magical Chase.
Ahhh....Yes it is. Fact: MC was the penultimate Turbochip. Fact: it didn't have the name recognition of Bonk 3 or Bomberman. Fact: it wasn't licensed from giants like Disney, Capcom, or Hudson. Gee, now let's see, could ANY of these points factor into how many were destroyed? :-k
I believe that there may be as few copies of Magical Chase in existence as any TurboChip, but I've still seen it around as often as other games and for a long time, much more than games like Darkwing Duck. Plus I've yet to find games like Darkwing Duck, Ghost Manor and Hero Tonma, in the wild, but I did find Magical Chase bitd. There may even be fewer copies of MC than any other TurboChip game, but it can't be a big difference, unless only a few hundred were made and for some reason they're always for sale.
...aside from personal accounts of how many times each of us have happened to see individual games. If anyone can present a plausible theory for why Darkwing Duck or Hero Tonma are rarer, I'm all ears.
Does it seem likely that once they gave up on trying to sell the stock at the prices the few takers could only afford to buy so much of, that instead of calling them up and saying "just take the rest", they instead spent money on destroying everything? If they were looking to lose money, why not just destroy everything in the first place?
destruction of unsold merchandise is extremely common- especially when a business is going under. in order to have debts forgiven and be liquidated, all assets must be sold. whatever is not sold may NOT be kept in most cases because that company has to be zeroed out without and value on the books. you can't just keep your products lying around and make profit in the future when you owe money now.
Anyway, thanks to jayamine, we've now confirmed the bulldozer story from the horse's mouth. I never want to hear someone compare MC to OotG again.
Radio Shack in both Canada and the U.S. was definitely one of the longest running NEC and TTi retailers. I doubt that Radio Shacks in the U.S. kept selling Turbo games for TZD through the 32-bit generation. They definitely stopped in Canada when TTi went under.
I ordered games through Radio Shack in the U.S. until 1998 or so. I got Soldier Blade, Bomberman 93, Dragon Slayer, Ys 3, and Shockman.
In this case though we're talking what, between 10-20 YEARS, and a lot of is prob based off of memories. Not saying that anyone would lie, but seriously you can remember exact totals, or have documentation from that long ago? Besides basing everything off of ONE person (possibly fallible/doesn't remember correctly, etc)...no matter who it is, is dubious as it is. Who's to say that just as many copies of OoTG weren't lost destroyed (which in all honestly prob sold worse than MC, or DD, etc.)?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 06:53:01 AM
The numbers were pulled last night from actual physical records. literally pieces of official physical documentation that have been in a filing cabinet for twenty years. You don't have to believe me, but I'm not making this up. The Polaroids do in fact exist ... but they're most likely in the office of some NEC Corporate Lawyer's cold storage cabinet somewhere in japan. (Now to play devil's advocate ... aside from the numbers which have all been pulled from physical record ... a lot of it does rely on Steve's memory)
I'm working on getting paper records of how many of each game were actually produced and specific release dates down to the day. The only thing that will be in question after that is how many have been lost to history over the past two decades. And who knows. 1600 MCs were destroyed that day. Maybe 2000 Griffon's were destroyed on the same day.
TZD purchased close to a half million $$ in stock that day and there was still TONS destroyed. Factoring backwards from inflation ... imagine how much a half mil in games was twenty years ago.
If you guys are still in doubt, Steve said I could post his words after I black a few "proper nouns" out. Certain names and titles still need to remain anonymous.
Oh, P.S. My name is Joe. jayamine stands for J. A. Yamine. No prob t all, but it feels weird when epople call me jay (since I have a close friend named Jay)
Also, I'm not new here. I just haven't been around for a few years. I'll go dig up my posts from years back - Nanto keeps great records - just to show you how long I've been in this community. I was on BT's mailing list as far back as 1998.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 06:55:42 AM
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 06:59:59 AM
I also wrote that article back in Aug 2006 of games we'd all like to see on Wii's VC. Apparently my work embarrassed Nanto, and Zeta and several others made fun of me and I ran off crying for 5 years. Are we good now?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:05:03 AM
(And if you make fun of me too much now ... I might just run off crying again ... so keep that in mind)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 28, 2012, 07:07:10 AM
They may make fun of you for not editing your posts, and posting back to back. lol. :)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 07:09:27 AM
....why so defensive? I didn't see anyone call you out as NOOB WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?!?!?!
P.S. Those 2 links are just pics...not sure what you mean to "prove" with that...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:24:32 AM
Ok see ... now you're making fun of me again ... (hang on while I get my baby bottle) .... OK! Those are pics I submitted to this website from my personal collection in 2001: My Ys I & II signed by Michael Bell (Dark Fact) and My CF2 signed by Ireland.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:28:16 AM
*suck suck suck* waaahhhh .... my milk is cold.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 28, 2012, 07:35:22 AM
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:38:07 AM
All right, I'll stop now. ;-) Let me go get Steve's email. BRB
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:40:11 AM
And yes, sadly whatever inventory TZD did not purchase was destroyed. BLANK was in charge of all things inventory . BLANK had to take hundreds of pictures of the actual destruction. D-9 tractors dragged pallets out of 18 semi's, then spent the day driving back and forth over the inventory in a concrete pit. BLANK said it was the most depressing day of BLANK's career.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:41:22 AM
None of that inventory went anywhere. We had forensic accountants and lawyers watching us at every turn. Everything was destroyed. I was there at the NEC warehouse the next day. I found a cage where they stored returns from Toys R Us and Best Buy etc, and found nearly 100 TV tuners and boxes of returns that I had to take to hide from the accountants. We had told them everything was destroyed. Luckily I had a big trunk! That's why we sold the tuners as reconditioned. Toys R Us had taken them in and returned them as they were wont to do.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 07:42:21 AM
Ok see ... now you're making fun of me again ... (hang on while I get my baby bottle) .... OK! Those are pics I submitted to this website from my personal collection in 2001: My Ys I & II signed by Michael Bell (Dark Fact) and My CF2 signed by Ireland.
Attempt at lulz?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: TheClash603 on January 28, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
I noticed this thread had gotten substantially longer very quickly... only to see that the same person posted as many as 5 times in a row in some cases.
Joe, I think it is great if you have a true source of print runs and maybe some information about games that were destroyed, but perhaps you should just gather your facts and then present it in one informative post? Not trying to be rude, but the multiple mini-posts are just getting kind of annoying, which might take away from the gratitude people would have if you presented this more appropriately... just my opinion.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:47:56 AM
Yes, I was attempting to put out my own flame. I shouldn't have gotten so hot under the collar when you called me "newer" the other day.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 07:50:54 AM
Clash, I know. My brother complains to me about the same thing. It's just that I always think of something else I meant to say/add AFTER I hit "post." Anyway, will post more info on release dates and quantity numbers as I receive it. (Always have to double check what I am allowed to post)
And yes, those two user submitted autographs from 2001 are mine. Still have them to this day.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 28, 2012, 07:57:10 AM
Clash, I know. My brother complains to me about the same thing. It's just that I always think of something else I meant to say/add AFTER I hit "post." Anyway, will post more info on release dates and quantity numbers as I receive it. (Always have to double check what I am allowed to post)
And yes, those two user submitted autographs from 2001 are mine. Still have them to this day.
Just edit your original post rather than posting back to back. :)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 08:02:50 AM
In this case though we're talking what, between 10-20 YEARS, and a lot of is prob based off of memories. Not saying that anyone would lie, but seriously you can remember exact totals, or have documentation from that long ago? Besides basing everything off of ONE person (possibly fallible/doesn't remember correctly, etc)...no matter who it is, is dubious as it is.
God, I feel like I'm shouting at a brick wall. Do you and Hegelson and BT just have some kind of authority complex? Are you contrarians? Is it just that you can't stand the thought of other people knowing things that you don't or presenting new information that conflicts with your little window of reality?
Yes, I willing to rest the crux of my argument on one person. That one person just so happens to be the most credible source to ever give two shits about the Turbo scene. And he probably remembered those exact numbers because it was his business to know. And he was shelling out $500,000 that day. And he has paper records.
I'm not doing myself or anyone else (beside speculator scum) a favor by arguing MC's rarity. I'm doing it because it's the only logical conclusion. If you want to argue, fine, but how about finding your own sources and facts and making some actual claims rather than just throwing up your arms and saying, "Oh f*ck this! How do we know if it's true? We don't know anything! WHAAA!"
Who's to say that just as many copies of OoTG weren't lost destroyed (which in all honestly prob sold worse than MC, or DD, etc.)
I've said this five goddamn times, but I'll say it once more just for you. I won't even use the word "penultimate" in case that's confusing people. There's a BIG difference between MC and OotG: MC WAS THE SECOND-TO-LAST TURBOCHIP! OotG shipped in 1992, the year of the Duo's launch, Air Zonk, and the last big advertising push. It had a huge window of escape to get the f*ck out of the warehouse and move some units before the bulldozers came. As far as we know, Darkwing, Tonma, World Sports, and Bomberman had smaller windows, being released in January, February, and March of 1993. Still, they had a headstart on MC, which was released in July 1993. The only cartridge to come after it was Bonk 3 in August. Battle Load Runner was due in October and we know what happened to that.
Sure, maybe OotG and MC initially had the same print run. I'll buy it. You're welcome to sit on your thumbs speculating about each games' popularity and the possibility of Toy's R Us sending leftover stock back until the cows come home....BUT, if you honestly believe that there are fewer copies of OotG out there than MC, you're an idiot.
Trust your bullshit detector. This story had the mark of truth back when geepee16 told it in 2008 and was shouted down by helgson. There's no reason to doubt Garwood unless you have evidence to trump it.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: TheClash603 on January 28, 2012, 08:08:57 AM
Battle Load Runner was due in October and we know what happened to that.
I am going to assume that this game was cancelled, without any move toward actual production... but I'll admit I don't "know" what happened to "Battle Load Runner." If my assumption is wrong, I'd love to hear a story or see a link to some info. I loved Lode Runner.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nat on January 28, 2012, 08:11:01 AM
It was finished, and ready to go, but never went to press.
It was eventually released, in finalized form, on the VC some 13-15 years later.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 08:16:51 AM
*awkward silence*
I agree with you vestcoat (MC probably IS rarer than Griffon), but on the flip side there were ONLY 500 copies of say Dynastic ever made PERIOD. There were 1600 copies of MC destroyed, 100 saved by TZD plus who knows how many on retail shelves. Maybe there were 3000 copies of MC made and 3000 of Griffon. I could ask how many Griffons were destroyed that day, but there's so many other variables. How many were shipped to retailers, how many have been lost over time, etc?
Steve commented that it was interesting that the rarest games have not necessarily become the ones commanding the highest price. (Terraforming is rare, but he commented how hard it was to move that particular title)
But yes, I too think that MC is probably a bit more scarce than Griffon.
Also Vestcoat, where are you getting your release dates from? Would love to see the date list from 1993.
Yes, thanks to Bernie, I have now discovered the beauty of the "modify" button. TY too Nectarsis :-D
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 08:21:40 AM
Clash, I know. My brother complains to me about the same thing. It's just that I always think of something else I meant to say/add AFTER I hit "post." Anyway, will post more info on release dates and quantity numbers as I receive it. (Always have to double check what I am allowed to post)
And yes, those two user submitted autographs from 2001 are mine. Still have them to this day.
There is a Modify button (edit) top right of your post...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 08:28:47 AM
I agree with you vestcoat (MC probably IS rarer than Griffon), but on the flip side there were ONLY 500 copies of say Dynastic ever made PERIOD.
I'm just talking about Turbochips. DH might be rarer. I'd guess that MC got snapped up faster because it's playable on any U.S. hardware. The hardware requirements for SCD games were a big impediment for a lot of people.
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Also Vestcoat, where are you getting your release dates from? Would love to see the date list from 1993.
I'll post some scans.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
In this case though we're talking what, between 10-20 YEARS, and a lot of is prob based off of memories. Not saying that anyone would lie, but seriously you can remember exact totals, or have documentation from that long ago? Besides basing everything off of ONE person (possibly fallible/doesn't remember correctly, etc)...no matter who it is, is dubious as it is.
God, I feel like I'm shouting at a brick wall. Do you and Hegelson and BT just have some kind of authority complex? Are you contrarians? Is it just that you can't stand the thought of other people knowing things that you don't or presenting new information that conflicts with your little window of reality?
Yes, I willing to rest the crux of my argument on one person. That one person just so happens to be the most credible source to ever give two shits about the Turbo scene. And he probably remembered those exact numbers because it was his business to know. And he was shelling out $500,000 that day. And he has paper records.
I'm not doing myself or anyone else (beside speculator scum) a favor by arguing MC's rarity. I'm doing it because it's the only logical conclusion. If you want to argue, fine, but how about finding your own sources and facts and making some actual claims rather than just throwing up your arms and saying, "Oh f*ck this! How do we know if it's true? We don't know anything! WHAAA!"
Who's to say that just as many copies of OoTG weren't lost destroyed (which in all honestly prob sold worse than MC, or DD, etc.)
I've said this five goddamn times, but I'll say it once more just for you. I won't even use the word "penultimate" in case that's confusing people. There's a BIG difference between MC and OotG: MC WAS THE SECOND-TO-LAST TURBOCHIP! OotG shipped in 1992, the year of the Duo's launch, Air Zonk, and the last big advertising push. It had a huge window of escape to get the f*ck out of the warehouse and move some units before the bulldozers came. As far as we know, Darkwing, Tonma, World Sports, and Bomberman had smaller windows, being released in January, February, and March of 1993. Still, they had a headstart on MC, which was released in July 1993. The only cartridge to come after it was Bonk 3 in August. Battle Load Runner was due in October and we know what happened to that.
Sure, maybe OotG and MC initially had the same print run. I'll buy it. You're welcome to sit on your thumbs speculating about each games' popularity and the possibility of Toy's R Us sending leftover stock back until the cows come home....BUT, if you honestly believe that there are fewer copies of OotG out there than MC, you're an idiot.
Trust your bullshit detector. This story had the mark of truth back when geepee16 told it in 2008 and was shouted down by helgson. There's no reason to doubt Garwood unless you have evidence to trump it.
Do you have to be a condescending ass to someone with a differing opinion?
You are the one that seems to have an issue with anyone that has a POSSIBLE idea that "conflicts with your little window of reality." I'm all for if what's ststaed is exactly right...then we know. Not entertaining other POSSIBILITIES is narrow minded, and a foolhardy way to get the truth. Get back to me when everything you stated is set in stone without all the FACTS (you must be REALLY good to know them all when they haven't even been laid out).
Frankly I made solid points (even backed up as some is from memory). If you want to take a single persons word, have at it...I have seen no PROOF (one persons word without anything to back it up is hearsay, like it or not). Hell in this case it's second hand info....not that anyone's lying, but as much as someones "the most credible source to ever give two shits about the Turbo scene" (which could be alos it was just as much a business/ to make $ decision for them just as much as anything else), no ONE person is THE HEART AND SOUL/END ALL BE ALL OF ALL THAT IS TURBOB!!!
The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.
As for the OotG argument you keep flailing on about...so it had longer to sell thru...a VERY niche game on a small selling system....yep I'll bet those FLEW off the shelf. If they were still "shelf warmers at the end, they could have easily been a large # in the "smash at the end" deal. I never said their were fewer copies, but that there could be VERY SIMILAR...you don't know...they could have destroyed 2,000 MC's, and 3,000 Ootg's (so in theory it IS possible there's more MC's than Ootg's...likely no, possible, yes).
While I find the whole deal of printruns, what happened at the end of life of the system as actually interesting, I learned years ago that one person's word (no matter who) CAN be fallible, mistakes made, wrong #'s stated, etc (does he have these records right in fromt of him or is he basing it off figures from a business deal when many of us were still in high school?). If you can remember exact figures from that long ago...good for you, many wouldn't.
(I'll post in caps so you can follow) I NEVER SAID ANYTHING STATED IS FALSE/LIES...but if there is irrefutable proof it would be interesting to see.
For someone that has some sad boner to slamming Mike "shouting this down"...when your post here is just as assinine, and insulting as anything you go on and on about Helgeson posting....irony much? Take 2 steps back from the keyboard if you get THIS damn worked up over this...it's NOT that serious is it?
Also jayamine's post above states there are variables (none of us know)...so you can run around screaming anyone that disagrees is an idiot...yet you DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS....so your "facts"= theory at this point. ;)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 08:59:04 AM
One thing Nectarsis ... 1600 copies of MC were destroyed, not 2000. That was the official stock inventory recorded that day (Bulldozer Day). That number comes literally from an actual piece of official physical paper that has been saved from TTI's office back in 1993. Human eyes looked at that actual piece of official paper last night to get that number. And with forensic lawyers and accountants all over the place that day, I'm confident those documents are accurate.
Now yes, beyond that .. tons of variables. Just saying that's not one of them.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 28, 2012, 09:24:14 AM
I think that vestcoat's theories are as plausible as anyone else's. But that's all that we're going on here. For whatever small amount of data that is being suggested by people who only had some of the facts, we can spin it any which way, but in the end it's all just speculation.
Magic Chase was a very desirable game with trendy aesthetic and gameplay. OotG was commercial cancer by design. Going by speculation, it's logical to assume that Magical Chase may gave shipped more copies in any time frame than several other Turbo duds. It also makes sense that it would be much more desirable for buyers of the NOS and employees who carted out everything they could carry would all choose MC over so many other games.
In the end though, we don't know. The bulldozing story supports both extremes of there being more or less copies if MC than some other games.
jayamine's impression that MC was never sold at retail was as valid as any until people with first hand knowledge that it was spoke up. What if no one in this forum ever saw MC at retail? Wouldn't this thread then assume that it was mail order only? I only ever saw OotG for rent in a store that imported American Turbo games. Maybe it was never sold in Canada? Maybe, unlike MC it was mail order only?
I think that the fact that MC made it to the bottom of the Alaskan panhandle in a small Canadian town with a population of 10000 is a strong sign that it got substantial distribution for however long of a window.
One thing Nectarsis ... 1600 copies of MC were destroyed, not 2000. That was the official stock inventory recorded that day (Bulldozer Day). That number comes literally from an actual piece of official physical paper that has been saved from TTI's office back in 1993. Human eyes looked at that actual piece of official paper last night to get that number. And with forensic lawyers and accountants all over the place that day, I'm confident those documents are accurate.
Now yes, beyond that .. tons of variables. Just saying that's not one of them.
I don't doubt that that document exists, but those weren't clasdified documents being destroyed, they were video games which are liquid cash. If they were only being destroyed to make them disappear and weren't a safety risk to the public or anything, after every other person with knowledge of their existence had grabbed what they could, who knows how many friends and family were called by the people there that day to walk off with whatever they wanted?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 09:25:49 AM
The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.
BT = Black Tiger. BT Garner has never weighed in on this subject.
You can doubt everything you want. If you have other theories, get back to me when you can point to some release dates or industry sources.
EDIT: Garwood is an industry source. Read Nanto's interview with him - he worked for TTI. Until one of his colleagues steps in with a conflicting story, Garwood is the best source we have.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 28, 2012, 09:34:06 AM
The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.
BT = Black Tiger. BT Garner has never weighed in on this subject.
You can doubt everything you want. If you have other theories, get back to me when you can point to some release dates or industry sources.
Yes, I have only worked on one game, not plural. :P
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 28, 2012, 09:38:21 AM
Considering there are only 500 each of most of those games in existence minus however many have been lost over the decades (in English), I think an unofficial second print would be great. Run them on a press. Make them indistinguishable except for a clear and unmoveable "SECOND PRINT" notation on the disc and in the instructions.
Nooooooooo. The phrase "second print" implies that it's somehow legit. Any high quality bootleg with these words on it is going to eventually be sold on eBay for $1000 with all sorts of bullshit stories floating around explaining the origin. The Sapphire boots were often described as "second print" and there are STILL people who debate who actually made them.
Retaining most the aspects of the original is fine, but I would remove all claims of copyright and trademarks and make every page of the manual, the cover, the back insert, and the game itself instantly identifiable as fake. Change the color of the logo, mis-spell something (once very popular with UK and Chinese bootleggers), put "Roy Vegas Sucks" on it somewhere, whatever. Just don't say "Second Print". Actual second printings can only come from the original sources. Plenty of TG/PCE stuff actually does have second runs (third, forth, whatever) and it isn't even labeled as such.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Here are the scans in a new thread. Of course, these were upcoming release dates and we know that some of the games were changed or canceled, but I've yet to see a better source of dates for these titles.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 28, 2012, 09:45:44 AM
I also wrote that article back in Aug 2006 of games we'd all like to see on Wii's VC. Apparently my work embarrassed Nanto, and Zeta and several others made fun of me and I ran off crying for 5 years. Are we good now?
Oooh, that sounds funny. Do you have a link to that thread?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 09:46:37 AM
The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.
BT = Black Tiger. BT Garner has never weighed in on this subject.
You can doubt everything you want. If you have other theories, get back to me when you can point to some release dates or industry sources.
LMAO keep acting like you have the inside track man....you are throwing theories/best guesses just as much as any of us. The BIG difference is...I could give 2 shits who's "right"...unlike you that has some grade school obsession of "showing the rest of us up" (some of us like to LEARN vs being an I told you so type). The info intrigues me....not your attempts at superiority or you ignoring what others respond...as long as you "shout others down" as you like to bitch about others doing ;)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 10:09:39 AM
LMAO keep acting like you have the inside track man....you are throwing theories/best guesses just as much as any of us. The BIG difference is...I could give 2 shits who's "right"...unlike you that has some grade school obsession of "showing the rest of us up" (some of us like to LEARN vs being an I told you so type). The info intrigues me....not your attempts at superiority or you ignoring what others respond...as long as you "shout others down" as you like to bitch about others doing ;)
It's true - after I make statements I like to write a little follow-up sentence pointing to crap I've seen on the internet that supports my claims. Sorry if that makes you feel inferior. They can tell you how to do it in English 1 at your local community college.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2012, 10:38:01 AM
LMAO keep acting like you have the inside track man....you are throwing theories/best guesses just as much as any of us. The BIG difference is...I could give 2 shits who's "right"...unlike you that has some grade school obsession of "showing the rest of us up" (some of us like to LEARN vs being an I told you so type). The info intrigues me....not your attempts at superiority or you ignoring what others respond...as long as you "shout others down" as you like to bitch about others doing ;)
It's true - after I make statements I like to write a little follow-up sentence pointing to crap I've seen on the internet that supports my claims. Sorry if that makes you feel inferior. They can tell you how to do it in English 1 at your local community college.
Yep your superiority complex is set to FULL DOUCHE!! Glad you think you're so special, and better than the rest of us "idiots." You are FAR from making me feel inferior, I just pity you pathetic keyboard warrior "smarter than all" BS.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 10:51:18 AM
Ok, so the reason I thought MC was mail order only is because THATS WHAT IT SAYS ON THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HE GAME! Sniffle, I feel stooopid! But there were lots of late gen Duo games that were in fact mail order only. Also on WIki and gamefaqs, they list the release date of the game as a lot later then you guys says. Lastly, that's how I got all Radio Shack Turbo games, they ordered them for me ... never saw them carry any in store, but then I didn't buy Duo games before Xmas 92. And that's KINDA how I got my Beyond Shdaowgate. One EB had to get it from another EB out of state ...
Steve was pretty candid about lawyers being all over the place to make sure no "destroyed" copies slipped out. And howare oeple going to get those games AFTER they've been cushed buy a steam roller and smothered under dried concrete? Possible? Yes. ALso possible that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy :-D (TY Oliver Stone!) Look at the part where he talks about smuggling the TV Tuner accidentally the very next day. I'm officially siding with "1600 copies destroyed" even though there's a once percent chance I'm wrong (kind of like debating the validity of those second print sapphires). Now, sure .. maybe the real physical number was 1598 or 1602 or something like that, BUT that's still pretty close.
Vestcoat, what magazine are those scans from? Steve seems to think MAYBE he has some official street date info, so fingers crossed as I hold my breath. We all know (at the very least) that several Duo titles were delayed, specifically the ones that had "Working" Delays written on them :-D
Zeta, I'll go find the link and send it to you. I found the article from 2006 I wrote last year, but it seems to have finally been removed (maybe for the best, for shame me) recently. I can at least find the thread when I am shredded. Speaking of which, I never did publish any video game journalism, but I've since published in several literary journals and presented at several academic conferences (almost wish it was the other way around)
Zeta, I also like your idea about removing fine print copyright info. If reprints were made, I'd want them to be the same to the naked eye, but something like that (obvious but requiring a magnifying glass) would be perfect.
Black TIger, what game did you work on? Or am I confusing info on the threads here?
Moderators - Can we get someone in to calm down the feud I've inadvertently started? I apologize for my role in fueling these barbed words.
More info from Steve as I receive it. Oh and please don't go flooding the man's email box! He's been really nice with the info so far. I don't want to go upsetting him.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 28, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
Vestcoat, what magazine are those scans from? Steve seems to think MAYBE he has some official street date info, so fingers crossed as I hold my breath. We all know (at the very least) that several Duo titles were delayed, specifically the ones that had "Working" Delays written on them :-D
Those scans are the whole shabang, cover to cover. The 1993 Club Duo catalog was a mailing I received. BT apparently found one at his local Radio Shack.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nat on January 28, 2012, 11:43:11 AM
Ok, so the reason I thought MC was mail order only is because THATS WHAT IT SAYS ON THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HE GAME! Sniffle, I feel stooopid!
Please tell me the Wiki part is in jest ;)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: TheClash603 on January 28, 2012, 04:38:29 PM
Whenever a game is mentioned on this site, it seems that someone will say they bought it in a store at some point. Just based on conversations on this website, I don't think that I heard of any games which were mail order only.
...but what do I know?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 28, 2012, 04:44:21 PM
Garwood mentioned that he bought the entire stock of several SCDs (M&M3, Godzilla, Super Zonk, Bonk 3, etc). If they popped up in stores, he was the distributor at that point, not NEC or TTI.
I never saw Exile 2 in stores. That one I had to get straight from WD. Come to think of it, the last ones I actually got in stores were Lords of Thunder, Dragon Slayer, and Beyond Shadowgate (and I had to have all 3 sent from other stores). Picked up Neutopia and Monster Lair via Toys R Us Clearance, but those were earlier titles. (There were only two places in Roanoke to get TG games anyway, Babbage's and TRU ... and once I saw some Power Golfs at Montgomery Ward ... but that's it)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: esteban on January 28, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
jayamine, the info you are sharing with us is very interesting and has certainly stimulated the passions of some folks :)
thank you.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Sadler on January 28, 2012, 05:06:42 PM
jayamine, the info you are sharing with us is very interesting and has certainly stimulated the passions of some folks :)
thank you.
Completely agreed. Thank you jayamine! :)
Yes it is a very informative read. Thanks
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 28, 2012, 06:46:54 PM
Exile 2 was definitely in stores. I bought it at EB and owned it for years before selling it to somebody for the same as I payed for it.
Even the super late games like Godzilla could still be had from places like Diehard although I don't think any major chain, TRU, EB, whatever had anythjng left on their shelves that wasnt heavily clearenced by then. EB in my town had gotten rid of every last thing by that point, either condensing stock in the more TG-friendly stores or sending it to TTI, I dont know.
I don't specifically remember Dynastic Hero, but I don't see why it would be special.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Bernie on January 29, 2012, 01:19:55 AM
Yeah, Exile 2 was certainly in stores. I bought mine new from EB back then. :)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 29, 2012, 03:23:16 AM
How about this? Sign here if you bought any of the following at a retail outlet: M&M3, Super Zonk, Bonk 3 CD, Godzilla, Dynastic.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on January 29, 2012, 05:15:28 AM
Garwood mentioned that he bought the entire stock of several SCDs (M&M3, Godzilla, Super Zonk, Bonk 3, etc). If they popped up in stores, he was the distributor at that point, not NEC or TTI.
What did he define as "at that point"? While TTi was still in business and before they had the chance to sell any of those titles to distributors themselves?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 29, 2012, 05:26:26 AM
No, I recall 500 units each of those last five titles was the correct manufacturing quantity. Making those the rarest games made. Funny, that's not how they've been valued in the collector market.
The above is a quotation. The five titles in reference are : Bonk 3CD, Super Zonk, Dynastic, M&M3, and Godzilla. Here's more.
Anyway, I looked at it and it showed 500 each were made of Dynastic Hero, Bonk CD, Might & Magic III, Super Air Zonk and Godzilla. All of which we bought for $xx.xx each! Come to think of it, we had to release those. TTi did not.
End quote
I'm assuming the items were all manufactured before bulldozer day and releases dates were staggered artificially to prolong the dwindling lifespan.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: nat on January 29, 2012, 08:46:48 AM
500 units is an extremely low print run for a video game. I had always been under the impression the lowest print run on a Turbo game was 1500 units which is, still, quite low.
Either way, it makes perfect sense those five games are technically the "rarest" of the bunch: you don't see copies of Godzilla or Bonk 3 CD up for sale nearly as often as you see copies of, say, Magical Chase.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: esteban on January 29, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
500 units is an extremely low print run for a video game. I had always been under the impression the lowest print run on a Turbo game was 1500 units which is, still, quite low.
Either way, it makes perfect sense those five games are technically the "rarest" of the bunch: you don't see copies of Godzilla or Bonk 3 CD up for sale nearly as often as you see copies of, say, Magical Chase.
Hahahahahhahaha. :)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 29, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
:-D
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 29, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
And now, the 5 games mentioned, are in the $1000 dollar range. :)
Oh, and someone will for sure reference this thread on ebay.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 29, 2012, 02:27:04 PM
Nah, only Dynastic goes for near that. I can't imagine Godzilla ever going that high. We know Dungeon Explorer was 1000 (but the second run was missing original instructions). TZD bought about 250 each of Terraforming and Beyond Shadowgate, but those two definitely hit stores, so the actual number will be much harder to come by. And what about Exile 2? SOmeone would have to track down Vic for that one. He's over at Sunsoft now, I hear. (Maybe they'll get bought by Konami next.)
Also, certain other things to consider ... Bonk 3 had a chip release easily doubling the total number access to that game. And come to think of it, since the chip came out almost alongside the CD, I bet Steve has that number too!
M&M3 came out on several platforms, so it's not hard to find in general (hence it's only valuable to Turbo Collectors).
Beyond Shadowgate on the other hand was Duo exclusive (the PC version was cancelled ... even though the Duo version was technically a port).
And there's always popularity and hype to consider. Take a game like Flintstones 2 for NES. I'm sure they did 1500-3000 easy, but that games sells for well over a thousand just on notoriety.
Or what about people claiming the Gold N64 Zelda cart is rare even though they made 100,000? And that thing still goes for fifty bucks in box ... because it's Zelda.
Lots of factors ... that's why playing with the second hand game market is called "speculating."
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on January 29, 2012, 03:19:58 PM
And now, the 5 games mentioned, are in the $1000 dollar range. :)
Oh, and someone will for sure reference this thread on ebay.
Everything we do on this board (with the possible exceptions of raffles, homebrews, system repairs, and fighting) slowly drives prices up. We review games, which creates hype. We answer "how-much-is-this-worth?" questions and post meaningless price guides, codifying each game's value and creating fewer good deals. We share the locations of our secret brick-and-mortar stores and post links to the rare online dealers with cheap goods. We kindly inform greenhorns that "ah, hey dude, your 'complete collection' is missing the Players' Stats book. And those Working Designs games had cardboard sleeves." We heighten the sense of scarcity with "waiting list" threads and desperate WTB posts.
I used to worry about the consequences of some of these actions, but it's a lost cause. Regardless, whatever information we post here is disseminated to the rest of the internet very slowly. As Jayamine pointed out, the retro bros surfing Racketboy and Wikipedia don't have their facts straight; they probably never will. The whippersnappers of "Generation Me", or "Generation O", or whatever you want to call it, are too busy texting and drinking PBR to do any research. We've been posting concise lists of the different CD/Turbochip packaging schemes as long as I've been here, yet noobs continue to raise the question almost once a month.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 29, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
You make some good points. I'm going to stop posting in this tread and get in on the import JRPG action in Plays Well Together thread. Too much talk about stupid f*cking pieces of paper, not enough actual obeying.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on January 30, 2012, 02:44:51 AM
its because the average person is also a gamer.
and the average person is a dumbass.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 30, 2012, 03:22:50 AM
Everything we do on this board (with the possible exceptions of raffles, homebrews, system repairs, and fighting) slowly drives prices up. We review games, which creates hype. We answer "how-much-is-this-worth?" questions and post meaningless price guides, codifying each game's value and creating fewer good deals. We share the locations of our secret brick-and-mortar stores and post links to the rare online dealers with cheap goods. We kindly inform greenhorns that "ah, hey dude, your 'complete collection' is missing the Players' Stats book. And those Working Designs games had cardboard sleeves." We heighten the sense of scarcity with "waiting list" threads and desperate WTB posts.
I used to worry about the consequences of some of these actions, but it's a lost cause. Regardless, whatever information we post here is disseminated to the rest of the internet very slowly. As Jayamine pointed out, the retro bros surfing Racketboy and Wikipedia don't have their facts straight; they probably never will. The whippersnappers of "Generation Me", or "Generation O", or whatever you want to call it, are too busy texting and drinking PBR to do any research. We've been posting concise lists of the different CD/Turbochip packaging schemes as long as I've been here, yet noobs continue to raise the question almost once a month.
This is why I didn't have a problem with producing some sort of a general price list. Because this information sneaks out to begin with, perhaps more importantly because people will use sites like the extremely flawed videogames.pricecharting.com as a reference if the community doesn't provide the information.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 30, 2012, 11:39:36 AM
If I had slightly more drive, I would take a list of all turbob releases cd and hu, and then make a price list, and then for the price, naturally put the cymbol for infinity. Then I, along with most of you, would be filthy rich, then I would retire and stroke my priceless games once a day with a white cotton glove. Then, I would do pce, and every other vintage system.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 30, 2012, 11:41:44 AM
You wouldn't be filthy rich unless you sold them. And if you're rich without them, what would you stroke then?
(One day, I'll learn when to keep my mouth shut.)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 30, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
:)
obviously you know nothing of the stock market. You can leverage, borrow and steal, and it just has to look good on paper :) This would be very similar, ima just go to my bank, and show them my "assets"
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 30, 2012, 12:31:59 PM
touche LMAO
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on January 30, 2012, 02:10:26 PM
what is your icon btw? Is it a tg in a glass case?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: jayamine on January 30, 2012, 02:17:08 PM
the very first tg-16 to ever roll off the assembly line. I was its keeper for a few months. It's only ever had 3 owners (not counting me since I didn't own it)
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 30, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
the very first tg-16 to ever roll off the assembly line. I was its keeper for a few months. It's only ever had 3 owners (not counting me since I didn't own it)
Dream TR has it now if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: MotherGunner on January 31, 2012, 05:34:07 AM
Isn't that the rude ass guy who was selling his TZD/RedFrog stock?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SMF on January 31, 2012, 08:17:07 AM
So just curious, Who's all on the waiting list now lol.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: DesmondThe3rd on February 01, 2012, 06:32:17 AM
Ok, I have the game also, But I'm deff not on the list. Let someone get the game that don't have it Mr. Greedy.
C'mon, I was kidding there. Has anyone gotten the game Magical Chase by posting their name on this list in the first place?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on February 02, 2012, 04:45:49 AM
I think that the only people agreeing to this list pact are the same people who want to be on the list. So unless some of you manage to find two cheap copies of MC, I don't think it's going to work out.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SMF on February 03, 2012, 09:03:04 AM
Ok, I have the game also, But I'm deff not on the list. Let someone get the game that don't have it Mr. Greedy.
C'mon, I was kidding there. Has anyone gotten the game Magical Chase by posting their name on this list in the first place?
Yea I know you was lol. I ont think anyones gonna sell a copy but go O YEA THERE'S A WAITING LIST lol. Its all good lol.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on February 04, 2012, 05:51:12 AM
Well, the waiting list has not worked for me, YET. However, I do think it is a good idea.
Things happen, you get an extra copy, trade, or are done collecting. A friend of mine, who is a huge collector, recently decided he wants to get rid of a lot of stuff, which boggles my mind. In my current state of mind, I would never sell anything, unless I had a double.
I just figure, it is better to sell a copy to someone on here, for the insane amount they go for, to another member, rather than at the same price to some d-bag on ebay.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on February 04, 2012, 08:12:52 AM
Well, the waiting list has not worked for me, YET. However, I do think it is a good idea.
Things happen, you get an extra copy, trade, or are done collecting. A friend of mine, who is a huge collector, recently decided he wants to get rid of a lot of stuff, which boggles my mind. In my current state of mind, I would never sell anything, unless I had a double.
I just figure, it is better to sell a copy to someone on here, for the insane amount they go for, to another member, rather than at the same price to some d-bag on ebay.
So what is the agreed upon price that list members are not allowrd to pay above, lest they turn a fellow pcefx member into a d-bag?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Necromancer on February 06, 2012, 02:49:44 AM
I just figure, it is better to sell a copy to someone on here, for the insane amount they go for, to another member, rather than at the same price to some d-bag on ebay.
If you're want to pay insane eBay prices for a Magical Chase.... why not go to eBay?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on February 06, 2012, 05:21:44 AM
I just figure, it is better to sell a copy to someone on here, for the insane amount they go for, to another member, rather than at the same price to some d-bag on ebay.
If you're want to pay insane eBay prices for a Magical Chase.... why not go to eBay?
Someone always beats him to the BIN or outbids him at the last second.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SMF on February 06, 2012, 10:35:13 AM
The sad truth is someone will get bashed on here for asking $1500 for Magical Chase but in a private message a forum member will buy it and won't say a word and the thread will dissapear....Till the next 1 comes to sell :evil:
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on February 06, 2012, 04:43:43 PM
I have been checking that online place, but I just feel it would be nice to buy (trade haha!) from someone here...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: frozenintears on February 07, 2012, 02:02:45 AM
The sad truth is someone will get bashed on here for asking $1500 for Magical Chase but in a private message a forum member will buy it and won't say a word and the thread will dissapear....Till the next 1 comes to sell :evil:
I guess thats the ugly side of business.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: MasonSushi on February 08, 2012, 03:37:12 AM
The sad truth is someone will get bashed on here for asking $1500 for Magical Chase but in a private message a forum member will buy it and won't say a word and the thread will dissapear....Till the next 1 comes to sell :evil:
You are so right. So many people want it they will pay high prices. The thing is not only the seller gets a verbal beatdown for selling it at a high price, the buyer gets mocked and insulted for paying over what some would consider a reasonable price. So instead of posting, a lot of quiet PM's go on. I wouldn't doubt that maybe some of the people that give the verbal lashings might be ones that offer or in the past have purchased like that. Personally I think the game is way over priced. Yes, i know you can get a PCE version a lot cheaper with a case. But for some they want the set and every collector has their standards.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: vestcoat on February 08, 2012, 11:19:23 AM
I received one of those silent PMs a couple years ago. The guy seemed to mistake me for someone who was actively looking for MC, as I hadn't put the word out for some time. He said he had multiple copies and didn't seem too interested in either my hefty trade bait or my working-class-income offers. He also never got back to me with references. Caveat emptor.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on February 08, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
I've had a few people I've never heard of ask me to sell them my copy. I think that most of the secret PM chatting is done by people who never post and only join to try to get a few deals.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: SMF on February 08, 2012, 03:39:45 PM
I've had a few people I've never heard of ask me to sell them my copy. I think that most of the secret PM chatting is done by people who never post and only join to try to get a few deals.
O I agree on that, I seen people join the forums create a WTB THREAD and get what they want and never sow up on here again. Reason why I'm all for not selling to new members until they get active in the community. That why the real die hards have a shot at enjoyng some great games at a reasonable price and we don't get scamed by a ebayer looking to get a good game for $8 and it showing up on ebay for $40.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: frozenintears on February 09, 2012, 01:21:08 AM
So instead of posting, a lot of quiet PM's go on. I wouldn't doubt that maybe some of the people that give the verbal lashings might be ones that offer or in the past have purchased like that.
Yeah, I can see that happening a lot. It's called human nature. Not just in the example you brought up, it's like that in anything.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Shrapnoid on February 09, 2012, 04:23:25 AM
The worst over pay I ever did on one was when a guy at a Funco-Land store told me his roommate had Sinistron (This was many years ago) and I started badgering him about asking the guy if he'd take this amount or that amount.
Needless to say, I got played for $40.00 and ended up with just the game in a cracked case with a missing stabilizer.
I knew even back then, I'd over payed but, at the time was under the impression that the game was ultra rare.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on February 09, 2012, 04:42:43 AM
What year was that? That's not a bad price for an uncommon used game that wasn't sold in Canada. I would have had to import it bitd, the same as any PC Engine game. If it was after the Turbo line was discontinued, but before eBay took off, it still would have been hard to find in the wild.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Shrapnoid on February 09, 2012, 05:03:26 AM
What year was that? That's not a bad price for an uncommon used game that wasn't sold in Canada. I would have had to import it bitd, the same as any PC Engine game. If it was after the Turbo line was discontinued, but before eBay took off, it still would have been hard to find in the wild.
Talking to me or someone else? You didn't quote so, I'm uncertain.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: frozenintears on February 09, 2012, 05:09:09 AM
What year was that? That's not a bad price for an uncommon used game that wasn't sold in Canada. I would have had to import it bitd, the same as any PC Engine game. If it was after the Turbo line was discontinued, but before eBay took off, it still would have been hard to find in the wild.
Talking to me or someone else? You didn't quote so, I'm uncertain.
he is just asking you what year was that in.
btw, damn, Funco Land. You brought back so many memories. I havent heard that name in years.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mishran on February 09, 2012, 05:13:58 AM
What is considered fair price varies from person to person. The more money a person has to throw around, the more the "fair" price tends to rise. For example, one individual may find $300 for a near mint copy of Might and Magic 3 to be gouging while the next guy figures it a good price for a game that is very difficult to locate. Money talk and bullshit walks, remember?
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Necromancer on February 09, 2012, 06:40:01 AM
For example, one individual may find $300 for a near mint copy of Might and Magic 3 to be gouging while the next guy figures it a good price for a game that is very difficult to locate.
I'd rather buy one for $60 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-Isles-Terra-TurboGrafx-CD-1993-/230741665811?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item35b9466813).
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: geise on February 09, 2012, 06:42:58 AM
Haha that didn't last long.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: blueraven on February 10, 2012, 07:17:03 PM
:shock:
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: PunkicCyborg on February 22, 2012, 08:00:45 AM
Wow, that's actually not a good deal, even with Magical Chase included.
Hopefully someone who already owns MC snagged that lot and will offer the double to the person at the top of the waiting list.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on February 23, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
Wow... I go to thrift stores all the time, I have never seen anything TG related, closest thing was a hudson snes multiplayer tap, and some Hudson games... I would have bid on this if I saw it, but probably would have lost it... How did they manage to put mc on top?! That is crazy.. Another $56 and change to ship it, shame on you goodwill...
Also, I wanted to clarify, it is NOT that I cannot find MC for sale... The issue is that people are in Canada, or in a different US state, and they don't want to sent it via the mail, to a stranger... Which I can definitely understand. There are some logistics, which are problematic, mostly with the seller's unwillingness to take electronic payment, or my unwillingness to send a money order to someone I do not know in another state with little recourse. So, once again, I apologize for pimping my shit hard, it was wrong, and annoying, however, I figure that there is a lot less potential for burnage on this forum, vs a random person... Hence, said waiting list...
I paid someone for Earthbound with book, and Euro Castlvania (forgot which one), with paypal ( would have been a good deal, not outrageous). He lived in the same state as me, had pics, had a "gamer" name, and etc. I sent the money, never heard anything again, had to dispute, got my money back, never heard from guy.. So, I am weary of getting to deal with these kind of people...
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on February 27, 2012, 01:14:35 AM
Wow... I go to thrift stores all the time, I have never seen anything TG related, closest thing was a hudson snes multiplayer tap, and some Hudson games... I would have bid on this if I saw it, but probably would have lost it... How did they manage to put mc on top?! That is crazy.. Another $56 and change to ship it, shame on you goodwill...
Goodwill keeps things they can make mad $$ on in the back and lists it on their site.
As for "shame on goodwill", at least the obscene amount of money they made is going to something useful. They're a charity, lol. So now some poor kid can have food or some shit.
hell for 900$, an entire homeless shelter probably got some steak.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: PunkicCyborg on February 27, 2012, 01:36:05 AM
Yeah that's true, kind of like the ultimate middle finger to MC price gougers. A charity getting the dough. That's a lot of money though to drop on untested goods.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on February 27, 2012, 02:48:38 AM
Turbo goods typically work. THEYRE INVINCBIBLE>Eefw
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Black Tiger on February 27, 2012, 04:47:57 AM
Wow... I go to thrift stores all the time, I have never seen anything TG related, closest thing was a hudson snes multiplayer tap, and some Hudson games... I would have bid on this if I saw it, but probably would have lost it... How did they manage to put mc on top?! That is crazy.. Another $56 and change to ship it, shame on you goodwill...
Goodwill keeps things they can make mad $$ on in the back and lists it on their site.
As for "shame on goodwill", at least the obscene amount of money they made is going to something useful. They're a charity, lol. So now some poor kid can have food or some shit.
hell for 900$, an entire homeless shelter probably got some steak.
It's pretty selfish of them to throw money away on homeless people nobody cares about when at the same time, it's creating instability in the collectors market. They should have thought of all the poorer gougers who are flipping MC's as "an investment". [-X
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Arkhan on February 27, 2012, 04:52:22 AM
yeah, houses are at stake!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: alexsduo on February 27, 2012, 06:36:24 AM
I agree with you guys, I am angry too.. I think that auction goes to the gouging much thread?
They don't take the money and give it to homeless people... They help train out of work people and give them jobs and training, and sell decent items, at mostly great deals.
it belonged in a museum, and they just sold it like it was any old lot. I am surprised they put it on the site and didn't just sell it in a store, probably saw this thread and knew it was lol omg rare, and that there was an official waiting list. I think the waiting list should be expanded to everyone. In fact, due to video game prices out of control, we need more infomercials "Do you need cash? Send us your video games! Cash for games will provide you with pennies on the dollar for your vintage treasures, Paying up to $10 for your vintage rare games."
They included free vintage dust, they could have provided free shipping, imho.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on January 16, 2015, 09:54:57 AM
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mathius on January 16, 2015, 02:37:34 PM
^^Every cunt slurper of a reseller needs be forced to watch that video. Then sent to the gas chamber.
*In this instance the only gas chamber in the world that would meet my criteria would be the one connected to Nullity's ass*
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Punch on January 16, 2015, 04:28:43 PM
f*cking well done!!! Hahaha.. Love it and I hope it educates with the lolz. That should be a mandatory watch when you join here and a sticky in the buy and sell thread.
Well done again man!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Mathius on January 17, 2015, 01:31:18 PM
f*cking well done!!! Hahaha.. Love it and I hope it educates with the lolz. That should be a mandatory watch when you join here and a sticky in the buy and sell thread.
Well done again man!
This. I would also add it to a buy/sell education page on Aaron's new site as well.
Again, really well done, Josh. :clap:
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: bob on January 17, 2015, 04:51:52 PM
This really was one of my favorite vids i have ever seen on this site
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: dallaspattern on January 19, 2015, 12:17:05 PM
WOW. That was a thing of beauty
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: roflmao on January 20, 2015, 04:38:17 PM
Genius!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Sarumaru on January 20, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
"What do I do with $3000 sealed box of shit?!"
Had me ROLLING XD
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: HailingTheThings on January 20, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
In.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Sarumaru on January 20, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
f*cking well done!!! Hahaha.. Love it and I hope it educates with the lolz. That should be a mandatory watch when you join here and a sticky in the buy and sell thread.
Well done again man!
This. I would also add it to a buy/sell education page on Aaron's new site as well.
Again, really well done, Josh. :clap:
:clap: Holy f*ck beans now this is some pure greatness !! Absolutely brilliant !! Very well done joshuaTurbo !!!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on January 21, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
omg. amazing job you did joshua. once he had the sealed collectors leave the room, shit went down!
f*cking kaiser! hahah
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: xelement5x on December 04, 2015, 02:54:26 AM
Those of you on the waiting list can vie for an incredibly ugly looking piece of art, but it is still teh RAREZ!
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: tool on December 04, 2015, 05:19:23 AM
the best way, and the only way to find this game is by pure luck of garage sales / flea markets / yard sales. Place where owner doesn't know what they have.
Everyone else knows the value of the game.
Title: Re: Magical Chase Waiting List
Post by: Lost Monkey on December 04, 2015, 05:36:12 AM
the best way, and the only way to find this game is by pure luck of garage sales / flea markets / yard sales. Place where owner doesn't know what they have.