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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: ParanoiaDragon on April 29, 2011, 04:16:52 PM
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I've been wanting to pick up a Wonderswan, but have read that the Crystal is an improvement over the Color, especially in the "ghosting" department. Ofcoarse, Crystal's are more expensive, so, I'm trying to get some feedback from anyone who has had a WS Color &/or both, & has played any action games where this would occur. Is it worth it to buy a Crystal over a Color?
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Definitely get the Crystal.
The Color has a non-active matrix, non-backlit display. I'm not sure if, aside from the Wonderswan Color, I have ever seen a non-active matrix, non-backlit, color display. Its blurry as all f*ck in motion, but more importantly its just hard to see in general.
The Crystal on the other hand has a screen than is comparable to the Neo Geo Pocket Color, in other words is about as visible as anything can possibly be without it being backlit. Its very reflective, and there is no blurring to speak of.
My only complaint with the Crystal is that they only made it in four colors and none of them are as cool as the colors they used for the earlier models (ie: white, clear orange, etc).
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Yeah, I haven't been thrilled with the colors of the Crystal, but, I suppose I can live with it. Thanks!
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No problem. There is so little info on these underappreciated systems that we have to spread it when we can.
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I owned a couple Wonderswan Colors (FF editions) and you should order a worm light, earphone jack adapter and AC adaptor, unless either of the last two come with the Crystal.
You should also get the FF games just for the PSG soundtracks. If you play through FFIV far enough, you can see how Square could've done the airship map-warping effect for a PCE port (Axelay style).
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I've been wanting to pick up a Wonderswan for a long time and kind of been holding out for a crystal, the games on my "to get list" are Klonoa, Daimakaimura and Judgement Silversword, any other recommendations?
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The only real downfall with crystal is its battery life. Each moddel they made had far less battiery life but for 1 double A battiers can't realy complain to much. Black and white version got 30 to 40 hours of games play color gets like 20 hours and crystal gets say 15. Crystal is deffinatly the way if you do not mind less battery life then a color.
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I owned a couple Wonderswan Colors (FF editions) and you should order a worm light, earphone jack adapter and AC adaptor, unless either of the last two come with the Crystal.
You should also get the FF games just for the PSG soundtracks. If you play through FFIV far enough, you can see how Square could've done the airship map-warping effect for a PCE port (Axelay style).
Yeah, I saw it recently, semi-recently, either in a video, or maybe I played it in an emu, pretty cool to say the least.
I've been wanting to pick up a Wonderswan for a long time and kind of been holding out for a crystal, the games on my "to get list" are Klonoa, Daimakaimura and Judgement Silversword, any other recommendations?
Judgement Silversword, I believe, will cost a pretty penny unfortunatly.
The only real downfall with crystal is its battery life. Each moddel they made had far less battiery life but for 1 double A battiers can't realy complain to much. Black and white version got 30 to 40 hours of games play color gets like 20 hours and crystal gets say 15. Crystal is deffinatly the way if you do not mind less battery life then a color.
I don't mind the 15 hours so much, as I play my PSP everyday, & it doesn't last near as long.
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I got a Crystal, just waiting for it to arrive. Has anybody here had there's(or an NGPC or a Lynx) modded so you can play it on a tv? There were a couple of sites I found, that are no longer around. I think one of them was called modmasher's?
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Yeah get a crystal. I have every model and the crystal is by far superior. So if you invest into a WS, sure get the best one, since all of 'em are not really expensive.
Ah lol, you already got yourself one. THEN, WELL DONE MATE! :D
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I got a Crystal, just waiting for it to arrive. Has anybody here had there's(or an NGPC or a Lynx) modded so you can play it on a tv? There were a couple of sites I found, that are no longer around. I think one of them was called modmasher's?
You're thinking of mash-mods.com. I'm %99 certain he never got a NGP or WS video out hack working well enough to sell, or at all. If he did I probably would have known about it since I've been a heavy poster on the S:NGP forums basically every day since it went online, and he would certainly let us know about it there since he's kept us updated with most of his projects.
I did have him do a front-lite mod on one of my Crystals. If you are in total darkness it's obviously better than nothing (and way better than one of those shitty worm light things) but if you are outdoors or have a good lamp a stock unit gives the best picture.
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Man, I would *love* a way to play the Neo Geo Pocket games on a TV screen. My old eyes just hate non-backlit screens these days.
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If you are playing something that isn't a fighting game the Flavor's NGP emulator for PSP is pretty nice.
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Good to know - since I've joined this forum I've seen a couple of reasons to get a PSP - and now there's another! I'm guessing I'd have to hunt down an older version that can be hacked?
It's (sorta) funny, I worked for Sony on the alpha team when the PSP first come out here but left Sony before the first games for that system were released. The system really impressed me at the time, but I never bit. (It was kind of weird playing a portable device wired to a huge dev unit!) Now it's looking better and better, though I really haven't followed it very closely...
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You don't need the PSP 1000 to played hacked stuff, I think even the PSP Go has been hacked for the most part. If you want a PSP with CFW & a TV out, then I'd get a 2000. However, I haven't kept 100% up to date on how much is available on the 2000. Personally, I have a 1000 for CFW to rip & play PS1 games(though it can do ALOT more), & a PSP 2000 for regular PSP games. There's a plenty of great games on the PSP in general(I have more PSP games then I do DS). Most recently, there has been 4 Falcom games released in the US, 3 Ys & Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky(all with a wonderful translations). Plus Xseed is working on a 2nd & 3rd Legend of Heroes(Trails in the Sky 2 & 3 respectively). And there's rumors that Xseed will working on bringing Brandish out here by the end of the year, though, they can't confirm it just yet. There are 3 other Legend of Heroes games(Tear of Vermillion, Prophecy of the Moonlight Witch, Song of the Ocean) in english as well, but, the translations are horrible. The game themseleves were redone completely by Bandai, so, they're not 100% accurate to Falcom's original versions.
Anyways, back on topic, I'll guess I'll just keep playing NGPC & WS games in their original form for now.
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Is the PSP 2000 the only model with TV Out? I didn't know that was an option with these. That's awesome.
Also, can the 1000 natively rip and play PS1 games? Can the 2000 do this as well? Another awesome feature. I'd love to play Jumping Flash on a system like this.
Thanks!
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The 3000 & (I believe) the Go have TV out as well. PSP's are made to run PS1 games, they just run what's called an eboot, I'm sure Sony had this planned all along. However, to play PS1 games, you either have to buy them for $6 on PSN, or you have to rip it from your own disc & transplant it on a hacked PSP.
It's been awhile since I played around with my PSP 1000, so I don't recall all the specifics, but you can find everything you need to know here courtesy of Exophase: http://forums.exophase.com/forumdisplay.php?f=45
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My only complaint with the Crystal is that they only made it in four colors and none of them are as cool as the colors they used for the earlier models (ie: white, clear orange, etc).
I always thought the NGP came in some cool designs that the NGPC didn't have.
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I agree! The white one with red stick and chrome buttons...that one is the best.
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Is the PSP 2000 the only model with TV Out? I didn't know that was an option with these. That's awesome.
Also, can the 1000 natively rip and play PS1 games? Can the 2000 do this as well? Another awesome feature. I'd love to play Jumping Flash on a system like this.
Thanks!
Well since a PS game won't physically fit inside any PSP...no, none of them can rip PS games. They can all rip PSP games though (except for the Go, obviously).
As far as which model to get, I think right now the 2000 might be the best. I've heard that custom firmware support is still shaky for the 3000, but I don't know that for sure. The "better" screen on the 3000 is actually worse in the opinion of a lot of people.
They all do TV out. When the 2000 came out it only supported TV out in progressive scan and via component. When the 3000 came out it had an interlaced mode. What a lot of people don't know is that software updates added interlaced support to the 2000 at some point. If there is any advantage to the 3000, I'm not sure what it is.
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Lol, I didn't mean to insinuate that the actual PSP did the ripping of the PS1 games. :P
That's very helpful information. I'll be keeping my eye out for a 2000. I've gone a little overboard on purchases recently, but will have to pick one up next time the reserves allow. Thanks!
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One thing I'm puzzled about in regards to the Wonderswan, is the rechargeable battery, it doesn't include the recharger.....so, I have to buy the battery, & then also find a recharger? I guess I'd be better off just using my own rechargeable batteries I have hear at home.
Oh, & I was looking thru my old NGP accessories, & found the wormlight(Nyko). I took the wormlight itself can be taken off the charger it's attatched to, & used on a Wonderswan! It plugs right into what I assume is the communications port, & ....it lights up! So, I guess if I'm desperate for light, atleast I already have one, though, getting it atleast modded with a front-lit I'm sure would be better.
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para, now get makaimura for wonderswan, golden axe and run=dim :)
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Oh yeah, games!
I don't have a huge collection, I don't even have a particularly decent one. I do like One Piece Battle Colosseum, Magical Drop (much better than the NGP one, even if it is in b/w), the three Gundam "Vol" games (Jaburo, Side 7, A Boa Qu) and Densha de Go.
If you can handle some serious Japanese I can recommend "Wild Card". Its a fantasy card battle type of thing with extremely good art. Blue Wing Blitz is a nice looking (but a bit monotonous) strategy game kind of like Advance Wars or Super Robot Wars.
Speaking of which, there are several SRW games on WS, but they are more like the stuff from the Winky Soft era than the newer "Holy shit, best 2D EVAHR!" era stuff. The GBA games are better for most people.
EDIT: I forgot Final Fantasy I. If you are really into this game the WS is the best port of this game ever, IMO. It plays like the NES/FC original in that its harder and still has the D&D style spell system instead of a Magic Point based system, but it has way tuned up color graphics, nearly SFC quality. If you can enjoy a RPG purely for the RPG mechanics of leveling and such, get it. Its the most fun I've ever had with a "grind" sort of game.
EDIT x2: There is some kind of Digimon RPG-ish thing for WS that was released in English. I can't remember the the name. I thought you might want to know that.
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I so wish there was a makaimura in color. The b/w one anyhow is still my mosty fav game on that device.
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I so wish there was a makaimura in color. The b/w one anyhow is still my mosty fav game on that device.
No shit. The WS has one significant thing in common with the PC Engine. That is, the earlier software represents a larger selection of genres. By the time the superior hardware came out, nearly everything had devolved to menu-driven ota crap like chick sims and anime licenses.
That isn't to say that later WS/PCE games aren't any good, but there is a wider selection from the earlier time period, and unfortunately that means b/w (or in the case of the PCE, HuCard only).
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Mainly interested in action & puzzle games. I can't get myself to get too many RPG's since I don't speak any japanese, though, action rpg's might be fine. The only game I have so far(which, I don't have yet, I'm bidding on some more stuff from the same seller) is Tane wo Maku Tori. I know I've played it via emu, but can't remember if there was an english name. There was also some cutesy ninja type game that seemed fun.
One Piece, is it a fighting game? Seems like there are severel One Piece games as well as Digimon, so it's hard to know which one is which. I think atleat one of the Digimon games was some sort of fighting game. You say there's an english Digimon RPG though? Normally I wouldn't care, but, since it's the Wonderswan, I'd pick that up. I'd like to find the color Gunpey as well. I'd like to get Golden Axe, but it seems slightly rare. I've spent way too much money lately so I'm trying to cut back. I was trying to get Gransta Chronicle, I think I heard it was an action rpg, but I was outbid.
I did try Wild Card, & it does have really nice art, but, couldn't get interested in the game itself.
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I can't remember which Digimon has an English version. I shouldn't be that hard to research. I'm pretty sure its the only English WS thing other than the Wonderborg and the manual that (sometimes) comes with a WS system.
There are several One Piece games for WS, but One Piece Battle Colosseum is the fighter. It was the basic template for later One Piece games on DS and ultimately Jump Super Stars/Jump Ultimate Stars.
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Wonderswan also had a Clocktowner game
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I bought a Digimon game........& I thought it was the english one, but now I'm starting to doubt it. After doing more research, it looks like there may have been a japanese version & english version. I guess I'll find out when it arrives.
BTW, someone I think mentioned I should get an ac adapter.....but I'm looking at my Crystal.......where the heck would I plug it in? Is it maybe some kind of proprietary thing that plugs in where the battery goes??
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I bought a Digimon game........& I thought it was the english one, but now I'm starting to doubt it. After doing more research, it looks like there may have been a japanese version & english version. I guess I'll find out when it arrives.
I'm sure there are two versions. Otherwise, what are Japanese kids supposed to play?
On eBay the other day there was a system with two packed in Digimon games. All the text was Korean. Maybe that was the English version? Or maybe there is a Korean version too.
BTW, someone I think mentioned I should get an ac adapter.....but I'm looking at my Crystal.......where the heck would I plug it in? Is it maybe some kind of proprietary thing that plugs in where the battery goes??
I don't have one, but I'm assuming it either goes in to the headphone/link port in some way, or it comes with a piece that replaces the battery cover/shell thing. Personally, I don't consider it to be that important. Battery life on these systems is incredible. Even with low-end standard AA rechargeables you're probably going to get 10+ hours out of the thing. With brand new Duracells, probably almost 20. Out of one AA.
I miss systems like this, the NGP, and the GBC. Ok, maybe not the GBC, but the WS and the NGP were great. The games were easy to to get into, the systems were $50-100, and battery life was amazing. A NGP will get you over 50 hours off two AAs. Compare that to a PSP, if you don't recharge it before you go to work it won't make it through the day. And the 3DS...pathetic.