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Title: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nat on April 29, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
Nintendo 64 - What an utter failure in all regards.
Extremely poor 3D graphics when viewed in retrospect (not that they were a real treat at time of release). To make matters worse, the console features, like, less than 10 2D games (OK, maybe 20). That means 95% of the console's library looks like shit visually. Some of the best games on the system are 2D: Mischief Makers, Bomberman Arcade (the 2D one, not that Bomberman 64 shit), Magical Tetris Challenge, the Bust-A-Move series, etc. So much un-tapped 2D potential.
A severely limited storage medium. Who the f*ck was still using cartridges exclusively in 2000? Nintendo, that's who. One of the worst marketing decisions of ALL TIME. While companies like NEC were producing CD games as early as the 1980s, Nintendo didn't catch on until almost 15 years later.
The hardware deficiencies don't stop there. The Nintendo 64 also has the distinct honor of featuring the worst controller design of ALL TIME. The analog thumbsticks all went limp after less than a year of use. You had to place your left hand on a completely different grip depending on whether or not you were using the analog stick or the d-pad. The memory card slot on the controllers were extremely touchy; if you didn't have the memory card inserted JUST RIGHT there was a 50% chance you could say goodbye to all your save files. To top it all off, the controllers had the build quality of a cheap TODDLER'S TOY. It boggles the mind the same company who just a few years prior produced one of the best controllers in the video game universe (SNES) stumbled to this level.
Insufficient RAM meant anything beyond mediocre 3D (for the time, it could be argued all N64 3D is mediocre at best, anymore) rendered at sluggish framerates unless you purchased a memory expansion.
Game library was relatively small by comparison to its older siblings (NES and SNES), with far less diversity in genres. A lot of the 3D games are downright awful; you can't even tell what the hell is going on in a handful of them due to broken camera mechanics and muddy, pixelated "textures." Mario 64 was actually a promising effort, but even Mario suffered from some camera issues. Super Mario Kart is also a decent game... If you're playing it in one or two-player mode. By the time you get three-or-four players involved, the low-resolution polygons in the 4-way split-screen just don't cut it and it's often difficult to see what's coming until it's too late.
I'm personally amazed the N64 did as "well" as it did. I believe this had a lot to do with the fact Nintendo was riding high on the success of the console's forerunners. Kids ran out and bought it on release based only the fact it was a new Nintendo product. The Playstation One didn't exactly blow it out of the water in the 3D department, but the library was gigantic, with lots more 2D games to boot.
The GameCube turned out to be a much, much better console design-wise but still suffered from a poor-ish game library. The Wii is arguably Nintendo's best console to date. Not only does it offer hardware support to play GC games, it will also play N64, SNES, and NES titles via emulation. You're talking about nearly 30 years of software on a single console. By comparison, the N64 will play 4 or 5 years worth of some of the most mediocre games Nintendo ever produced.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SuperDeadite on April 29, 2011, 07:33:39 PM
N64 of course. I think Goldeneye was the only game on it I enjoyed, but even then I rather play Doom.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Tatsujin on April 29, 2011, 10:39:47 PM
So Dito! can't add much more than already nuff said by nat!
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: TR0N on April 29, 2011, 11:38:19 PM
N64 all ways thought it's controller was to arkward to use not to mention most of it's good games,were frist party only.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Senshi on April 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
I agree with everything already said about the N64. I have a freind who has one and loves it. I just sit their and snicker at him :lol:
However, I voted Gamecube because I can't name one game on that thing if you asked me other than Luigi's mansion. Plus it just looks silly.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: BlueBMW on April 30, 2011, 02:13:46 AM
While I agree the N64 is probably Nintendo's worst console... I personally really like the system. My reasons are more nostalgic than anything.
I had only had a Genesis and SNES before the N64, so I had only played 2D games for the most part. I first saw the N64 advertised at school of all places. Every morning we would watch Channel 1 and there were ads for the N64 on there. When I saw Mario 64 and Waverace 64, I was impressed by the concept of being able to go anywhere. Meaning in a game like Mario, I wasn't restricted to a 2D plane, I could go anywhere! I dont know why, but at that time (I think I was 12 years old or so) that just looked so fun to me. I guess I had never really played anything that 3D before. When I did get the N64, I wasn't disappointed! It was as fun as I expected it to be! My friends and I would all pile up in someones living room for hours to play Mariokart 64 and Goldeneye. Even today, some of my friends and I still get together for sessions of Mariokart and WCW/NWO revenge.
At the time, a few of my friends had Playstations (I only knew one guy with a Saturn) so I only had a few titles to compare to. I remember seeing Jet Moto and thinking: "that looks like a crappy Waverace." Mind you, this is a 12yr old's logic at work here :P It wasn't until I saw Final Fantasy 7 that I got really interested in getting a Playstation. I ended up getting a PSX eventually with FF7, Cool Boarders 2, Ace Combat 2, and Jet Moto. But I kept my N64, and it still gets use to this day.
Looking at the system now, I agree that the hardware itself is weak, the graphics are weak, the controller is weak. But because of my own personal history with the system, I'll always like it. Banjo Kazooie will probably always be my number one most favorite game of all time across all consoles.
Oh and a side note on the controller.... yeah its kind of weak physically, and the design is funky. But I actually like it too. I know as a kid I wanted to get four controllers of different colors. (Blue, Green, Red and Yellow) I liked the Yellow one the best for some reason. At the time I thought the analog stick felt good and the c pad was utilized well in most games.
So anyways, now that you all know I'm an N64 nut... let the discussion commence :D
Edit: I guess I should mention that I am also a big fan of the Gamecube too. That was the only system I bought on launch day, and I dont regret it one bit [-( I guess I have an affinity for crappy systems! :lol:
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: chany60126 on April 30, 2011, 03:44:28 AM
For me, the Nintendo Wii is the worst console of the bunch, although the n64 takes a close second. N64 games just haven't aged well at all as the character designs are very clunky and developers were still trying to figure out this 3D thing. But there were some awesome games released that are still fun to play like Zelda OOT and my favorite wrestling game of all time: WCW Vs. nWo Revenge.
So my least favorite nintendo console is the Wii. Most of the games I see are either way too gimicky and/or aimed towards the 'casual gamer'. Heck, there are even games for grandma and grandpa to play like the Price is Right. Don't get me wrong, the system does have good games such as Punch Out and just about any Mario platformer is good. I have to admit that I am biased in favor retro games, but I take a look at store ads for Wii games and none seem to interest me. I'll give Nintendo some props for implementing the Virtual Console. But then again, it may have been one of the contributing factors in the dramatic increase in price of turbo games the last couple of years or so.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on April 30, 2011, 04:01:29 AM
Nintendo 64 - What an utter failure in all regards.
Extremely poor 3D graphics when viewed in retrospect (not that they were a real treat at time of release). To make matters worse, the console features, like, less than 10 2D games (OK, maybe 20). That means 95% of the console's library looks like shit visually. Some of the best games on the system are 2D: Mischief Makers, Bomberman Arcade (the 2D one, not that Bomberman 64 shit), Magical Tetris Challenge, the Bust-A-Move series, etc. So much un-tapped 2D potential.
A severely limited storage medium. Who the f*ck was still using cartridges exclusively in 2000? Nintendo, that's who. One of the worst marketing decisions of ALL TIME. While companies like NEC were producing CD games as early as the 1980s, Nintendo didn't catch on until almost 15 years later.
The hardware deficiencies don't stop there. The Nintendo 64 also has the distinct honor of featuring the worst controller design of ALL TIME. The analog thumbsticks all went limp after less than a year of use. You had to place your left hand on a completely different grip depending on whether or not you were using the analog stick or the d-pad. The memory card slot on the controllers were extremely touchy; if you didn't have the memory card inserted JUST RIGHT there was a 50% chance you could say goodbye to all your save files. To top it all off, the controllers had the build quality of a cheap TODDLER'S TOY. It boggles the mind the same company who just a few years prior produced one of the best controllers in the video game universe (SNES) stumbled to this level.
Insufficient RAM meant anything beyond mediocre 3D (for the time, it could be argued all N64 3D is mediocre at best, anymore) rendered at sluggish framerates unless you purchased a memory expansion.
Game library was relatively small by comparison to its older siblings (NES and SNES), with far less diversity in genres. A lot of the 3D games are downright awful; you can't even tell what the hell is going on in a handful of them due to broken camera mechanics and muddy, pixelated "textures." Mario 64 was actually a promising effort, but even Mario suffered from some camera issues. Super Mario Kart is also a decent game... If you're playing it in one or two-player mode. By the time you get three-or-four players involved, the low-resolution polygons in the 4-way split-screen just don't cut it and it's often difficult to see what's coming until it's too late.
I'm personally amazed the N64 did as "well" as it did. I believe this had a lot to do with the fact Nintendo was riding high on the success of the console's forerunners. Kids ran out and bought it on release based only the fact it was a new Nintendo product. The Playstation One didn't exactly blow it out of the water in the 3D department, but the library was gigantic, with lots more 2D games to boot.
The GameCube turned out to be a much, much better console design-wise but still suffered from a poor-ish game library. The Wii is arguably Nintendo's best console to date. Not only does it offer hardware support to play GC games, it will also play N64, SNES, and NES titles via emulation. You're talking about nearly 30 years of software on a single console. By comparison, the N64 will play 4 or 5 years worth of some of the most mediocre games Nintendo ever produced.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The N64 obviously has the smallest library and the biggest step down visually since early 3D games generally look worse than NES 2D games, but part of the problem is you're looking at it through the eyes of someone who has lived through the HD era. Seeing Super Mario 64 in 1996 imparted a feeling of sheer wonderment and amazement to nearly all who gazed upon it, it was so far ahead of anything that had come before it the start of "quality 3D games" besides driving, flying or first person shooters really began right there.
Going back to playing it today, it looks terrible but there's more elite level games I'd go back and play on the N64 than the original Playstation (there's more good games on Playstation, but more GREAT games on N64). Also with regards to the thumbsticks, I have my four original N64 controllers purchased in 1996, they all work great. If your controllers are failing someone was abusing them.
For me, the Nintendo Wii is the worst console of the bunch, although the n64 takes a close second. N64 games just haven't aged well at all as the character designs are very clunky and developers were still trying to figure out this 3D thing. But there were some awesome games released that are still fun to play like Zelda OOT and my favorite wrestling game of all time: WCW Vs. nWo Revenge.
So my least favorite nintendo console is the Wii. Most of the games I see are either way too gimicky and/or aimed towards the 'casual gamer'. Heck, there are even games for grandma and grandpa to play like the Price is Right. Don't get me wrong, the system does have good games such as Punch Out and just about any Mario platformer is good. I have to admit that I am biased in favor retro games, but I take a look at store ads for Wii games and none seem to interest me. I'll give Nintendo some props for implementing the Virtual Console. But then again, it may have been one of the contributing factors in the dramatic increase in price of turbo games the last couple of years or so.
Most games on any system are bad. The Wii has lots of great games, particularly on WiiWare. Basing the system strictly on its merits the Wii is pretty excellent, it has some absolutely fantastic quality games, a quick look at gamerankings all time best list reveals two wii exclusive games on the top 3, and all of the top 3 are playable on the Wii in one form or another. The virtual console adds value to the Wii and gives it a gigantic library of games both new and old. From Super Mario Galaxy, to Zelda, to Metroid Prime, to Muramasa, to Punch Out, to Cave Story, to World of Goo, and then moving on to the gigantic library of great titles available on virtual console the Wii in terms of number of "good games" available to it for legitimate purchase may be the best system ever.
Added in edit: Oh and it plays Game Cube games as well
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Jibbajaba on April 30, 2011, 05:53:11 AM
This is a tough one. I have an RGB-modded N64 that I enjoy playing, but really it's only because of a few games. But the same can be said for the Game Cube and Wii. I had a Game Cube but really only ever played Resident Evil 4 and Animal Crossing on it. I have a Wii, but only play NSMB on it.
The N64 for me isn't that bad of a console - just a huge let-down after the Super NES. Like I said, mine is RGB-modded so the picture looks really nice, and I play it with a Hori Mini-Pad, so the shitty stock controller isn't a problem. As far as the thumbsticks on the original controllers (which are definitely terrible) you can buy replacements on eBay that are based on the Game Cube controller thumbsticks.
I really look at the Wii as just being an upgraded Game Cube, so to me the GC/Wii is the worst Nintendo console.
Chris
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 30, 2011, 06:38:24 AM
N64 is the worst, no question. I don't agree in the reasoning area so much though.
The 3D was bad? Yes, it was, but bad compared to what? The other two systems were at least as bad.
I also have no problem with cartridges. In case you didn't notice, cartridges have more or less come back with a vengeance. The next generation of consoles is likely to have %100 solid state storage, and the PSP will end up being the only handheld to use discs. The cartridge thing may have held back some of the games because of storage limitation, but it made up for it by sparing us the horrendous load times of the PS.
Also, the controller: while stupid, I didn't find it to be all that badly made. The d-pad is super solid and the buttons, while small, are as good as the SFC controller. Since I never hardly even used my N64 the controllers were in perfect condition when I sold the system. :)
The biggest problem with the N64 was the whole idea of making something super high end and trying to blow the competition away. This lead to everything just costing too f*cking much development-wise, which lead to small software selection. Nintendo learned from this big time by the time the Cube and Wii came around. The Cube and Wii were cheap to produce and develop for and in the end the sales and profits are really good, even though the software selection is still pretty lackluster aside from a few major releases every year.
The games on the N64 are often times just...bad. Even the first party ones. Yoshi's Island on SFC is basically the best game ever made. Yoshi's Story on N64 is just f*cking terrible. Possibly the worst platformer Nintendo ever made. Mario Kart 64...oh how I hate this game. Again, the SFC one was magic but the N64 one took a high strategic and reflex intensive racing masterpiece and turned it into a game of dice. Shit like blue shells are bad enough, but the rubber band effect is in place at other levels. A racing game where being in first place is the worst place to be is a shitty racing game. Also, they widened the courses and the corners so f*cking much that they turned what was very F1 into basically NASCAR. If you suck at racing, then I'm sure Mario kart 64 is right up you ally.
Favorite games on the system: Wave Race, Pilot Wings.
Regarding people who hate the GC/Wii more...I can't even begin to understand where you are coming from. I can only assume you would be...lets see...23-29 years old? That would place you in a situation where you were very young when the N64 came out and still suffering from rose tinted glasses. The N64 suuuucked. The Cube had mario Sunshine, a (barely) better Waverace, Luigi's Mansion, some Super f*cking Monkey Balls, the Gameboy Player, Killer 7, Alien Hominid, Tales of Symphonia (an actual, real, full on contemporary JRPG, something the N64 never got), that cool Kinikuman game, Phantasy Star Online, Animal Crossing, a very good Gundam game, Bomberman Land 2...way more good stuff that is still more playable than that piece of crap N64. The hardware itself is also exemplary. It virtually never breaks. The small discs leave you with very little load times (virtually none on 1st party releases), cute shape, the Wavebird (best wireless pad ever when it was released), and, again, the Gameboy Player which is rad.
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And the Wii...the Wii does essentially all this stuff (only the Gameboy Player is lost) plus all the Wii stuff. The Wii shop is loaded with more cool stuff than I have time to play. I give a lot of credit to Nintendo for actually putting all four controller ports and both memory card slots on the Wii and retaining %99 cube compatibility. They didn't have to do that.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: guyjin on April 30, 2011, 07:40:39 AM
I voted N64, as all rational people would given these choices.
but we all know that the correct answer is the Virtual Boy.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on April 30, 2011, 07:53:25 AM
N64 for me. Definitely. I never owned one. I still dont. I own copies of the games I did like. I bought them and played at my friends house. I saw no point in buying a cart based system with dumbass graphics and an irritating controller when I had the Playstation with multi-disc sexfests like FFVII, and games like Oddworld. Oddworld is better than any game the N64 ever had.
The controller is an abortion. The dpad was alienated, the C buttons seem like a joke, and the joystick brings me about as much joy as putting my dick in a bugzapper. Its flimsy, slippery, stiff to move around, and if you're using a controller that some jackoff used to play mario party, its probably near-dead and responds funny.
There were BATTERY POWERED addons. WHY.
I liked:
Mischief Makers Jet Force Gemini some other crap I cant even remember.
SCREW THE N64
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: guyjin on April 30, 2011, 08:03:55 AM
Extremely poor 3D graphics when viewed in retrospect (not that they were a real treat at time of release). To make matters worse, the console features, like, less than 10 2D games (OK, maybe 20). That means 95% of the console's library looks like shit visually.
Its 3D graphics were better than its competitors. this is more of an indictment against polygonal gaming than of the N64.
Also, I don't think the n64's controller was the worst of all time; I think the 5200's was worse.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on April 30, 2011, 08:04:11 AM
I voted N64, as all rational people would given these choices.
but we all know that the correct answer is the Virtual Boy.
Yes, this is true. Since its nearly impossible to take that piece if shit anywhere, or to even hold it entirely in your hands while playing it, the VB essentially is a console, and the worst thing Nintendo ever made. In fact, its worse than anything Sony ever made. Its that bad.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: rag-time4 on April 30, 2011, 08:14:53 AM
Before reading the thread I voted gamecube, strictly because of the controller. Looking back, the N64 had a real winner of a controller as well.
I really agree with what Dan said about Mario 64... Mario Kart was really neat as well in 3d, and I remember enjoying the star wars adventure game as well.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: TheClash603 on April 30, 2011, 08:55:07 AM
I voted the N64 as well, because it is the only system on the list that can be argued wasn't a huge success. However, I don't agree with what a lot of people are saying.
1.) The controller was revolutionary. The form may now look silly and the stick was definitely too flimsy, but at the time, it was unlike anything that was out there. The controller was pretty much a peripheral created so that Mario 64 would work, and for that, it was perfect. This was the second coming of the NES d-pad to me.
2.) The graphics were okay for the time. Sure, we can think back to the cut-scenes on the RPGs of the PSX, but really... look at the actual games. Graphics are pretty comparable, and at times, better on the N64.
3.) There are some truly classic games on the system. First and foremost, Mario 64. This is the game that proved 3D gaming work, and to this day is one of the best Mario games (or any game?) ever made. There are a handful of other exclusive titles which were must-owns as well.
So yes, it is definitely the worst system on the list above. However, that is really a testament to how impressive the other systems are, as Nintendo never really had a flop. Did I play my N64 as much as my Saturn? No way. The PSX? Probably nearly the same. To each his own I guess.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nat on April 30, 2011, 10:15:57 AM
Hindsight is always 20/20. The N64 obviously has the smallest library and the biggest step down visually since early 3D games generally look worse than NES 2D games, but part of the problem is you're looking at it through the eyes of someone who has lived through the HD era. Seeing Super Mario 64 in 1996 imparted a feeling of sheer wonderment and amazement to nearly all who gazed upon it, it was so far ahead of anything that had come before it the start of "quality 3D games" besides driving, flying or first person shooters really began right there.
Not at all, although having lived through the HD era certainly doesn't help things. I guess I was the only one that thought all that first-generation 3D crap looked like utter shit, even back in 1996. It looked like shit then, and it looks about 100x worse now. I was far more impressed by the Catacombs 3D/Wolf3D/Dooms that came out 4 or 5 years prior. The first console to feature passable polygon-based 3D was the Dreamcast, in my opinion.
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Going back to playing it today, it looks terrible but there's more elite level games I'd go back and play on the N64 than the original Playstation (there's more good games on Playstation, but more GREAT games on N64). Also with regards to the thumbsticks, I have my four original N64 controllers purchased in 1996, they all work great. If your controllers are failing someone was abusing them.
I beg to differ. I've had tens upon tens of N64 controllers pass through my possession over the years, in addition to handling other people's. I haven't seen a solid, upright thumbstick on an N64 controller in 12 years or more.
1.) The controller was revolutionary. The form may now look silly and the stick was definitely too flimsy, but at the time, it was unlike anything that was out there. The controller was pretty much a peripheral created so that Mario 64 would work, and for that, it was perfect. This was the second coming of the NES d-pad to me.
Different =/= better. I though the controller was the dumbest thing on Earth back when it was released. Nowadays, time has proven that not only is it a poor design, it was poorly constructed as well. See the Playstation Dualshock controller for an analog-stick-capable controller done right.
I'm also a fan of the Dreamcast controller, although I'm sure some people would debate me on that one.
N64 is the worst, no question. I don't agree in the reasoning area so much though.
The 3D was bad? Yes, it was, but bad compared to what? The other two systems were at least as bad.
Indeed they were. I'm not saying it was any worse than its contemporaries; in fact, I think ALL first-gen polygonal 3D looks like steaming piles of horse manure. My point was that the other two systems at least had a good selection of 2D games to offset the 3D shovelware. The N64 did not. It had a few, but not enough.
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I also have no problem with cartridges. In case you didn't notice, cartridges have more or less come back with a vengeance. The next generation of consoles is likely to have %100 solid state storage, and the PSP will end up being the only handheld to use discs. The cartridge thing may have held back some of the games because of storage limitation, but it made up for it by sparing us the horrendous load times of the PS.
Load times don't bother me much. And look, solid-state storage has come a LONG way since 1996. The cartridge format, as it existed in the mid 90s, had outlived its usefulness. Not only were you limited on storage capacity, the sound hardware had to be sacrificed as well. No redbook audio, etc.
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The games on the N64 are often times just...bad. Even the first party ones. Yoshi's Island on SFC is basically the best game ever made. Yoshi's Story on N64 is just f*cking terrible. Possibly the worst platformer Nintendo ever made.
That's funny, I think Yoshi's Story is one of the N64's better games, although that's not saying a whole lot. Granted, the control scheme sucks.
The Wii has lots of great games, particularly on WiiWare. Basing the system strictly on its merits the Wii is pretty excellent, it has some absolutely fantastic quality games, a quick look at gamerankings all time best list reveals two wii exclusive games on the top 3, and all of the top 3 are playable on the Wii in one form or another. The virtual console adds value to the Wii and gives it a gigantic library of games both new and old. From Super Mario Galaxy, to Zelda, to Metroid Prime, to Muramasa, to Punch Out, to Cave Story, to World of Goo, and then moving on to the gigantic library of great titles available on virtual console the Wii in terms of number of "good games" available to it for legitimate purchase may be the best system ever.
Regarding people who hate the GC/Wii more...I can't even begin to understand where you are coming from. I can only assume you would be...lets see...23-29 years old? That would place you in a situation where you were very young when the N64 came out and still suffering from rose tinted glasses. The N64 suuuucked. The Cube had mario Sunshine, a (barely) better Waverace, Luigi's Mansion, some Super f*cking Monkey Balls, the Gameboy Player, Killer 7, Alien Hominid, Tales of Symphonia (an actual, real, full on contemporary JRPG, something the N64 never got), that cool Kinikuman game, Phantasy Star Online, Animal Crossing, a very good Gundam game, Bomberman Land 2...way more good stuff that is still more playable than that piece of crap N64. The hardware itself is also exemplary. It virtually never breaks. The small discs leave you with very little load times (virtually none on 1st party releases), cute shape, the Wavebird (best wireless pad ever when it was released), and, again, the Gameboy Player which is rad.
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And the Wii...the Wii does essentially all this stuff (only the Gameboy Player is lost) plus all the Wii stuff. The Wii shop is loaded with more cool stuff than I have time to play. I give a lot of credit to Nintendo for actually putting all four controller ports and both memory card slots on the Wii and retaining %99 cube compatibility. They didn't have to do that.
I'm totally with you guys there. How anyone could make an argument that the Wii is somehow worse than the N64 just baffles me. It would seem anyone making such an assertion must be letting nostalgia obstruct their objectivity.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 30, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
I voted N64. I still have mine and it does have a few enjoyable games (my favorite is WaveRace 64). However I just thought that the graphics were bad even back in the day. I just couldn't get into the whole "fog" concept and everything was so blurry. So, so blurry. For that reason, I thought the N64 had worse visuals (albeit with better framerates sometimes) than the PS or Saturn. Besides WaveRace 64, I don't recall any N64 game that had memorable music. That's another strike. No good music? Then f*ck you, I want good music in my games!
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I'm also a fan of the Dreamcast controller, although I'm sure some people would debate me on that one.
I'd definitely be one of those who would debate you on this.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on April 30, 2011, 11:58:52 AM
The Wii is the new N64 imo. Nintendo went all full retard again and picked a dumb media format, didn't go HD, and hyped the Wiimote too much. The Wiimote is dumb. decades of gaming have proven that people don't want to hold their f*cking arms up at the screen for playing enjoyment. All they did was smash like 20 years of stupid ideas into one console. The first like 3 years of Wii were mostly shitty games. Dumb gimmicks, shovelware, and stupid crap. The Wii cant play a DVD movie, but last gen consoles can. Good job nintendo.
Its just like the N64. Dead format, dumbass controller, tons of retarded games.
Its not as bad though... theres enough good games, and the quality over all is ok... but compared to the other two systems....
and lets not get into the Friend Code bullshit.
N64 was stupid. I made fun of N64 people fanboys when I was like 11. Its pretty sad when 11 year olds can tell the system is a pile of shit.
PSX had tons of great 2D games, and the 3D games were better than the N64 to boot. Spyro and Crash bandicoot were alot better than Mario 64. N64 had "shooters" but they were sluggish, blurry, and boring. Not to mention the controller made them a punch in the dick to play.
N64's 2D game library was pretty lacking.
amd how about the RPGs? Quest 64? looool.
PS: The dreamcast controller is the closest you can get to holding heaven in your hands!
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on April 30, 2011, 12:09:24 PM
N64. Personally, I don't think Nintendo has had a decent system since the SNES. Portable yes, but console, no. That's not saying there aren't great games on any of their newer systems, there are, but, few & far between. I suppose I ultimately like the Wii the most of their "not so hot" console's, as I think I have more games for it that I enjoy compared to the N64 & GC.
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Post by: Arkhan on April 30, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
Yeah the Wii is like "3rd times the charm" for shit they should have done 15 years ago.
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Post by: roflmao on April 30, 2011, 02:22:17 PM
N64. Personally, I don't think Nintendo has had a decent system since the SNES. Portable yes, but console, no. That's not saying there aren't great games on any of their newer systems, there are, but, few & far between. I suppose I ultimately like the Wii the most of their "not so hot" console's, as I think I have more games for it that I enjoy compared to the N64 & GC.
+1
If this hadn't been said already, I'd be saying almost the exact same thing.
The N64 had a few good games, as did the GC (don't even get me started on the Wii...) but they are not even close to the SNES or the NES.
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Post by: Black Tiger on April 30, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
The Nintendo console whose library I like the least was N64, but I like the Wii library less from what I've played of true Wii (non GC, VC, WW, etc) games. I gave up on it a while ago though. I might like the Monster Hunter game if I give it a try, but I'd still probably like Shadowman 64 all the more. I love Mario 64, but Galaxy was kinda meh because of the controls. If every Wii game allowed you to use a Gamecube or Classic Control pad, I might like it more (I guess) than N64. But I'm not so sure. I can think of more N64 games I'd like to play with any kind of pad than Wii games with any kind of pad.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on April 30, 2011, 05:40:04 PM
PS: The dreamcast controller is the closest you can get to holding heaven in your hands!
Please. I'm a HUGE fan of the DC but that controller is total shit. Mine stay in a drawer unless I'm playing something like Rez or Shenmue where you pretty much are required to have them. Otherwise I'm always using a stick, or a Saturn pad adaptor.
The DC pad is essentially the Saturn's NiGHTS pad, but aside from the addition of the VMU ports its shittier. The buttons are too small and two too few. Its way less comfortable, the analog stick has a dead zone the size of a SuperGrafx, and the D-pad is so inferior to the Saturn one it can hardly be described.
"The Dreamcast Controller! Better than a 3DO pad!™" - Actual Sega slogan circa 1998.
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Post by: roflmao on April 30, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
Agreed.
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Post by: Mathius on April 30, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
I really don't want to vote simply because I love all the Nintendo consoles and have very good memories of the N64. Mario 64 and Zelda kicked me in the stomach with breathtaking 3D worlds that still impress me to this day. My controllers all still work great, and I have never had any issues with the console's workmanship.
The N64 may be lackluster in it's third-party offerings, and it's 2D potential was killed by the 2D phobia that swept the industry back then, but the N64 will always hold a special place in my heart. Not up there with the SNES or NES, but it'll never leave my side.
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Post by: Arkhan on April 30, 2011, 08:41:03 PM
Maybe I have different fingers than you. I have very skinny, lanky fingers. I thought my hands fit the dreamcast controller really nicely, and the buttons felt nice to me. the d-pad was pretty nice for MvC also, and it withheld hours and hours of PSO abuse.
I wish the dreamcast didn't fall on its face.
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Post by: bartre on May 01, 2011, 08:54:57 AM
damn, i didn't realize that there was so much hate for the n64. in all honesty, it's my favorite nintendo console.
i know i'm probably going to be brutally raped for this, but imo, the NES is pretty much shit outside of castlevania and mega man.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 01, 2011, 08:58:14 AM
i know i'm probably going to be brutally raped for this, but imo, the NES is pretty much shit outside of castlevania and mega man.
bend over please.
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Post by: Black Tiger on May 01, 2011, 09:19:02 AM
I like the DC pad for DC games. It's not the greatest control ever, but it gets the job done and I like it so much more than the N64 pad which might be my least favorite official pad from 8-bit onward. When it comes to fighting games for DC, I just use the Saturn pad converter and japanese/Model 2 pads.
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Post by: TheClash603 on May 01, 2011, 10:35:31 AM
I like the DC pad for DC games. It's not the greatest control ever, but it gets the job done and I like it so much more than the N64 pad which might be my least favorite official pad from 8-bit onward. When it comes to fighting games for DC, I just use the Saturn pad converter and japanese/Model 2 pads.
Sega Master System controllers are terrible.
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Post by: geralds on May 01, 2011, 10:35:43 AM
I cant understand all the complaints about the n64 i thought it was an awsome system. I have to say wii is far worse do to its abundance of shitty titles.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on May 01, 2011, 10:44:29 AM
Spyro and Crash bandicoot were alot better than Mario 64.
Does anyone actually believe this?
I seriously f*cking hope not. And even if they were better, which they absolutely aren't, the triumph of Mario 64 was that, at the time, there were very few 3D platformers. Almost none, really. The best one was, I think, Floating Runner, and Floating Runner wasn't very good. Then Mario 64 comes out and is totally great right out of the box. It's still one of the best.
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Post by: nat on May 01, 2011, 10:51:52 AM
Yeah Mario 64 was one of the N64's shining games for sure. It's only problem was quirky camera issues that plagued all 3D games for years, although it's far from the worst of the lot. And of course sub-par 3D graphics compared to later releases, although that's not really a fair criticism I suppose.
Although, I personally think Super Mario Galaxy blows M64 out of the water as the pinnacle of 3D Mario gaming although M64 is a close second.
Best 2D Mario platformer: Super Mario World (SMB4) Runner-up: Super Mario Bros. 2
Best 3D Mario platformer: Super Mario Galaxy Runner-up: Mario 64
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 01, 2011, 11:04:57 AM
Yeah Mario 64 was one of the N64's shining games for sure. It's only problem was quirky camera issues that plagued all 3D games for years, although it's far from the worst of the lot. And of course sub-par 3D graphics compared to later releases, although that's not really a fair criticism I suppose.
Although, I personally think Super Mario Galaxy blows M64 out of the water as the pinnacle of 3D Mario gaming although M64 is a close second.
Best 2D Mario platformer: Super Mario World (SMB4) Runner-up: Super Mario Bros. 2
Best 3D Mario platformer: Super Mario Galaxy Runner-up: Mario 64
Yeah, Mario Galaxy is obviously a better game, but it came 11 years later.
Also, I like New Super Mario Bros Wii more than Super Mario World ( on the same rule that makes Mario Galaxy better than Mario 64, better technology and better dev kits make it a lot easier to make a great game today than before). But everyone is entitled to their opinions.
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Post by: nat on May 01, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
I don't think SMG is a better game than M64 because of technical merits alone, although those certainly help. Game and level design is the primary factor in my decision and by the same token, I feel SMB4 is better than New Super Mario Bros. for the same reasons.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on May 01, 2011, 11:25:10 AM
I like the DC pad for DC games. It's not the greatest control ever, but it gets the job done and I like it so much more than the N64 pad which might be my least favorite official pad from 8-bit onward. When it comes to fighting games for DC, I just use the Saturn pad converter and japanese/Model 2 pads.
Sega Master System controllers are terrible.
I deffinitly believe this. I have never really enjoyed Mario 64. While I haven't played the Galaxy games, so far, I just don't feel like Mario has transitioned well into 3D. I love Crash waaaaaaaaaay more the Mario 64, no doubt. I still haven't played thru the Spyro series yet, even though I own them all. Ofcoarse, neither series has done so well since the original dev's moved on(Naughty Dog & Insomniac).
Supposedly, the next 3D mario for 3DS is supposed to capture the gameplay of the older games, while making the game 3D.
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Post by: Otaking on May 01, 2011, 11:25:13 AM
I voted GameCube, I can't think of single stand out game released for it.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 01, 2011, 11:58:02 AM
I don't think SMG is a better game than M64 because of technical merits alone, although those certainly help. Game and level design is the primary factor in my decision and by the same token, I feel SMB4 is better than New Super Mario Bros. for the same reasons.
I don't think it's technical merits alone. I just think it's so much easier to develop on newer hardware that it makes it easier to make a better game. The fact that you can make larger levels, more detailed areas, better physics on modern consoles makes it that much easier to make a good game than on earlier systems where you had a lot more hurdles to jump over.
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Post by: TheClash603 on May 01, 2011, 01:38:25 PM
I voted GameCube, I can't think of single stand out game released for it.
Smash Brothers Melee Zelda Wind Waker (best modern Zelda) Super Mario Sunshine (best modern Mario) F-Zero GX (DROOOL) Wave Race Donkey Konga (yeah, I said it)
Lots of good games. Mostly all first party, but it is what it is. Throw in a Gameboy player, and the Gamecube really was awesome.
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Post by: SuperDeadite on May 01, 2011, 02:15:52 PM
SMB3>>>>>>SMW.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on May 01, 2011, 02:19:07 PM
SMW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SMB3
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Super Mario Sunshine (best modern Mario)
No, no, no. It's the worst modern Mario by far. I sold mine and I do not miss it.
Gamecube has Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2. Part 1 is one of my favorite games of all times.
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Post by: Arkhan on May 01, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
I got alot more enjoyment out of the spyro and crash games than I did Mario 64. Mario 64 was frigging boring and slow.
Spyro, you got to fly around and breath fire, and it had some comedy to it. I definitely played Spyro 1 more than Mario64.
Mario 64 had the pacing of OoT, without the enjoyment.
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Post by: nat on May 01, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
Yeah, Mario Sunshine is probably the worst of all the Mario platformers, 2D and 3D combined.
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Post by: Black Tiger on May 01, 2011, 03:08:46 PM
I tried very hard to get into Super Mario Sunshine, since I was dying for an updated Mario 64 with proper camera controls. I just couldn't do it. It really does trail far behind every other proper Mario platformer for me and wasn't enjoyable at all.
I love the Gamecube though. PSO Ep I & II alone made it a must buy and that single game provided me with as much entertainment as some console's combined libraries.
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Post by: rag-time4 on May 01, 2011, 03:15:01 PM
Yeah Mario 64 was one of the N64's shining games for sure. It's only problem was quirky camera issues that plagued all 3D games for years, although it's far from the worst of the lot. And of course sub-par 3D graphics compared to later releases, although that's not really a fair criticism I suppose.
Although, I personally think Super Mario Galaxy blows M64 out of the water as the pinnacle of 3D Mario gaming although M64 is a close second.
Best 2D Mario platformer: Super Mario World (SMB4) Runner-up: Super Mario Bros. 2
Best 3D Mario platformer: Super Mario Galaxy Runner-up: Mario 64
I'm also a huge fan of Super Mario 2 (usa), but I've also gotta give JJ and Jeff some love as a truly great 2d platformer. Probably the only game in my collection that's both incredibly fun to play and at the same time capable of drawing a legitimate "what the hell are you playing???" from a roommate!
I had a blast with Super Mario Galaxy as well. Haven't cleared Mario 64 yet though.
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Post by: Mathius on May 01, 2011, 03:15:49 PM
Yeah, Mario Sunshine is probably the worst of all the Mario platformers, 2D and 3D combined.
I have to agree with this.
It is the only Mario game with a gimmick that is original and awesome, in FLUDD. That sucker makes the game wholly unique, and it provides great challenge and a ton of fun. No other Mario has the sense of vertical climb that Sunshine does, and I loved it. Nothing was more satisfying that getting way up to the top of a large structure using your water rocket... and conversely nothing was as upsetting than falling when you were near the top.
The only complaint I can see Mario fans having is that the setting was all beach, which did get a little tiresome. However, the beach was absolutely breathtaking for the time, and it was a themed game (like Galaxy), so the beach setting made sense.
I guess some people didn't quite get FLUDD, or it was enough to alienate them.
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Post by: Mathius on May 01, 2011, 04:46:32 PM
I didn't really mind FLUDD. It was the atmosphere that killed for me.
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Post by: BlueBMW on May 01, 2011, 04:48:17 PM
I actually enjoyed Mario Sunshine... felt somewhat like Mario 64 to me and so for that reason I liked it :D
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Post by: nat on May 01, 2011, 05:05:04 PM
Anyone who likes Mario 64 a lot I suggest give Super Mario Galaxy a spin. It does everything Mario 64 does, only better.
I haven't played SMG2 yet, though, so I can't comment on that one.
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Post by: Mathius on May 01, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
Galaxy 2 is more of what Galaxy 1 was, but lost a tiny bit of magic along the way.
Galaxy 1 is the best of the 3D Marios though! :)
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Post by: Black Tiger on May 01, 2011, 05:17:41 PM
Anyone who likes Mario 64 a lot I suggest give Super Mario Galaxy a spin. It does everything Mario 64 does, only better.
I haven't played SMG2 yet, though, so I can't comment on that one.
SMG seemed pretty cool, but it's like playing with a broken controller.
I am as old school as they get, but trust me when I say that I got used to the control scheme very quickly. :wink:
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 01, 2011, 05:24:51 PM
I never progressed past the SNES. I borrowed a 64 at one point in time and I really enjoyed Mario and the first Zelda and Tetris. Gamecube has absolutely no appeal to me and it's pretty pointless altogether especially since the wii is backwards compatible. I never bought into the 3d thing at the time and Nintendo has lost me altogether with the types of games they release. Wii is alright but I don't think I'd ever own one
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on May 02, 2011, 03:55:33 AM
I can't get into the N64, never could. Super Mario64 was NOT as fun as NiGHTS on Saturn.
If the Virtual Boy was on this list, I'd still say N64 was the worst system.
What was the Virtual Boy continuing the legacy of? Nothing, it was a new concept, and I loved Wario Land VB!
The N64 was carrying on the tradition of the SNES, and COMPLETELY dropped the ball! Where were all the Fighting/ RPG's/ Shooters? We got some FPS's and 3D platformers... actually from what I remember the only thing the N64 did wel WAS First Person Shooters and 3D platformers... well, and some racing games. Diddy Kong and F-Zero X were great.
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Post by: Necromancer on May 02, 2011, 07:00:13 AM
It's not even close - N64 all the way. Even if the V.B. were a choice, it was a separate project and not a replacement for the Game Boy, so its failures are more easily forgiven.
As for people picking the GameCube or Wii over the N64: you guys are nuts. The Wii has last-gen hardware, gimmicky shit controllers, a shovelware heavy library, and pushed overpriced download-only gaming a step further, yet it still has more than enough positives to place it head and shoulders above the poorly executed N64.
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Post by: Bernie on May 02, 2011, 09:02:20 AM
hmm.. This is a hard one for me. I have always loved what Nintendo put out. If I had to choose one console they completely failed on, it would be the Virtual Boy, but thats not one of my options in this thread.
I love the N64, as a matter of fact, I had pre-ordered mine and waited in line on launch day to get it along with Super Mario 64, which I also loved a lot!! I was a little disappointed they decided to stay with the cart format, but hey..I still enjoyed the system, and still do from time to time.
The Gamecube....hmm... another awesome console, IMO. Super Mario Sunshine was certainly a different way to do a Mario game, but I thought it was genius! I put a lot of hours cursing, throwing tantrums, ect..into this game. The Zelda series on this console was also one of the reasons I actually bought the system. Windwaker was IMO one of the best games in the series. I loved how they did something, different.
Now, my Wii... Although I do enjoy my Wii, it is the least favorite of the Nintendo consoles for me. I realize the Wii wasnt made for power, and I have no beef with that. My thing is the amount of crap games compared to the amount of decent games out for this system. The small handful of games I have bought for this I have enjoyed, such as the Zelda series and Super Mario Galaxy. However, if it wasnt for the ability to play Gamecube games, and the ability to download for the Virtual Console, I wouldnt really use it. I also use it for NetFlix, but thats another story. It does have its uses. I can download my Final Fantasy II and III for SNES and not have to worry about battery back-up on the cart. Up till I started buying heavily in the TG-16 library, I was grabbing those as well. My Wii is actually fired up more than my Xbox 360!! For the price, and what it has to offer, I think its done its job.
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Post by: termis on May 03, 2011, 03:08:34 AM
No question - N64. Nat's assessment in the original post is spot on.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 03, 2011, 06:37:50 AM
I can't get into the N64, never could. Super Mario64 was NOT as fun as NiGHTS on Saturn.
I love NiGHTS Into Dreams but really... I mean really....
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Post by: shabba on May 03, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
Yeah I have to agree with the few folks who said the SNES was their final foray into Nintendo. I only purchased an N64 in 2005 when I was working as a Family Therapist and used video game therapy with one of my clients. I was not impressed. My parents bought me a Gamecube for for birthday in 2002 and my wife and I bought a Wii in 2006 for the kids. I see the value in all of them, but for me, the worst was the N64 by far. Sure, I loved the Zelda games and Mario 64 was cool, but there wasn't much more. Forsaken? Doom? No thank you, I have a PC for that.
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Post by: bartre on May 03, 2011, 09:00:04 AM
I can't get into the N64, never could. Super Mario64 was NOT as fun as NiGHTS on Saturn.
I love NiGHTS Into Dreams but really... I mean really....
I gotta go with turbostar on this one, NiGHTS was pretty much perfect. I just COULD NOT get into mario 64 though, that is, until i found out about all the glitches about 10 years later, and then i just like messing around, still never beat it.
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Post by: Jesse813 on May 03, 2011, 10:05:07 AM
N64 Got my vote. I always thought its graphics looked horrible and the controller sucked especially the analog stick.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on May 03, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
I can't get into the N64, never could. Super Mario64 was NOT as fun as NiGHTS on Saturn.
I love NiGHTS Into Dreams but really... I mean really....
I gotta go with turbostar on this one, NiGHTS was pretty much perfect. I just COULD NOT get into mario 64 though, that is, until i found out about all the glitches about 10 years later, and then i just like messing around, still never beat it.
That's not the point though. I love both games (I clear Xmas NiGHTS evey winter) but they aren't comparable to anyone who isn't trying to make NiGHTS out as some sort of Saturn mascot. Mario 64 is a massive action platform game with a TON of stuff to do and loads of exploration and such. NiGHTS is basically a score attack game. You might as well be comparing Tengai Makyo with Star Solider.
I'm not saying either game is better than the other, I'm saying it's not fair to the games themselves to compare them.
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Post by: bartre on May 03, 2011, 12:06:54 PM
I can't get into the N64, never could. Super Mario64 was NOT as fun as NiGHTS on Saturn.
I love NiGHTS Into Dreams but really... I mean really....
I gotta go with turbostar on this one, NiGHTS was pretty much perfect. I just COULD NOT get into mario 64 though, that is, until i found out about all the glitches about 10 years later, and then i just like messing around, still never beat it.
That's not the point though. I love both games (I clear Xmas NiGHTS evey winter) but they aren't comparable to anyone who isn't trying to make NiGHTS out as some sort of Saturn mascot. Mario 64 is a massive action platform game with a TON of stuff to do and loads of exploration and such. NiGHTS is basically a score attack game. You might as well be comparing Tengai Makyo with Star Solider.
I'm not saying either game is better than the other, I'm saying it's not fair to the games themselves to compare them.
you make a good point, but mine is the same as my evaluation with all games - I had more fun with NiGHTS, and got more play out of it.
so yeah, it's a bit like saying megadeth is better than the beatles, but hey, we all get opinions.
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Post by: BlueBMW on May 03, 2011, 01:27:09 PM
Good to know I'm not the only one.... :lol: Though I also play through Banjo Kazooie on N64 (at least to Freezeezy Peak) every winter. If you pop in Nights on Wii and go to your dream on Christmas you get a familiar Xmas Nights tune :P
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 03, 2011, 02:04:34 PM
lol my good friend says hes been playing Christmas Nights every year for Christmas since he got it in like '97. I did it last year. That's pretty awesome other people make that tradition!
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 03, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
I also play Christmas Nights every winter, it actually changes seasons with more than just Winter. I also really love the music.
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Post by: Mathius on May 03, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
Man, I gotta get in on this!
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Post by: BlueBMW on May 03, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
Even though Christmas is a hella long time from now... Lissen
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Post by: Joe Redifer on May 03, 2011, 05:14:36 PM
I just can't get into Nights. Boring game.
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Post by: RR1980 on May 03, 2011, 06:37:19 PM
yeah nights and x'msa nights are pretty repetitive games but it is pretty neat that the games are programed to take into account the set date on your console to effect the game play that was pretty neat
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Post by: Joe Redifer on May 03, 2011, 10:41:56 PM
Too bad the battery only lasts a year.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 04, 2011, 02:47:25 AM
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: vestcoat on May 04, 2011, 05:22:15 AM
Cool thread.
The N64 controllers are flawed, but Nintendo deserves props for breaking ground yet again and making controllers actually designed for 3D games. Weren't the Playstation Dualshock and other analog sticks made later, in response to the N64 controller?
I've seen a lot of broken sticks, but it personally took me 9 days on Perfect Dark and countless hours on other games over the course of ten years to wear down the controller I bought new.
Meanwhile, the cartridge-based hardware is very durable. I'll take a $10 control stick replacement over trying to fix a PS1 deck any day.
I can't speak for the Saturn, but N64 3D is much better and the colors more vibrant than recycled Playstation polygon dung.
So, really, the only thing that majorly sucked about the N64 was the library. It needed 2D games, it needed shooters, and it needed RPGs. I certainly wouldn't take the N64 library away to a desert island, but it makes a good supplemental system. I have more than enough shooters and RPGs on the Turbografx. I keep my N64 around for 3D-racing games and FPS.
Finally, one strength we shouldn't overlook is the wealth of multi-player games - four built-in ports really helped make it a party system.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on May 04, 2011, 05:28:11 AM
The N64 controllers are flawed, but Nintendo deserves props for breaking ground yet again and making controllers actually designed for 3D games. Weren't the Playstation Dualshock and other analog sticks made later, in response to the N64 controller?
I've seen a lot of broken sticks, but it personally took me 9 days on Perfect Dark and countless hours on other games over the course of ten years to wear down the controller I bought new.
Meanwhile, the cartridge-based hardware is very durable. I'll take a $10 control stick replacement over trying to fix a PS1 deck any day.
I can't speak for the Saturn, but N64 3D is much better and the colors more vibrant than recycled Playstation polygon dung.
So, really, the only thing that majorly sucked about the N64 was the library. It needed 2D games, it needed shooters, and it needed RPGs. I certainly wouldn't take the N64 library away to a desert island, but it makes a good supplemental system. I have more than enough shooters and RPGs on the Turbografx. I keep my N64 around for 3D-racing games and FPS.
Finally, one strength we shouldn't overlook is the wealth of multi-player games - four built-in ports really helped make it a party system.
The big difference with the N64, besides the higher polygon count is that it has anti-aliasing so it's capable of much less jagged looking polygonal models than the Playstation.
As far as the Saturn goes, most of the good 3D on the system was done using quadrilaterals.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Sparky on May 05, 2011, 01:59:36 PM
I do not have much love for any Nintendo system i have to say guys :oops: but the original NES and the SNES do get some love out of me from time to time but the N64 can lick it!!
Never liked the look of the system, the controller and the way it handles and then they got even worst when they went all translucent.... sweet jesus that green was just awful!!! Also the games seemed to me to be all young kid driven and way to much mario for my liking <<shrugs>>
Now, i do own the system for crus'n usa and for a couple pokemon games my little girl and i play but that is it !!! :(
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: guyjin on May 07, 2011, 03:25:43 PM
whoever picked the SNES should be banned on principle. ANYTHING 16 bit is better than the N64. including the CD-i.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on May 07, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: 1980-20.. on May 08, 2011, 10:11:43 AM
Love the N64 and Gamecube based on their physical design and that includes the controllers for both systems both have pretty weak catalog of games though. In fact i think id say the same about the Wii as well. The SNES is just awesomeness as it introduced me to Street Fighter and ZELDA.
So i think i will have to vote NES as i was a Master system owner way back when.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 08, 2011, 12:38:54 PM
The N64 console itself was freakin' ugly! Possibly only the Master System 2 is uglier.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on May 08, 2011, 02:28:19 PM
I would vote N64 for sure.
Nintendo has always taken shortcuts when making consoles. Amusingly, the N64 is the one they took the fewest shortcuts on, followed by the Gamecube. All of them were severely hindered by one or more crippling design decisions...
-The original NES was crippled by bad overall hardware design, giving it a high hardware failure rate in terms of software loading. The re-release fixed it, but by then, the system was already obsolete. This is the only console in the list, IMO, which was crippled by bad physical attributes rather than electronic moronicism. Of course, one might also fault it for the lackluster color encoder, but it was usually only Commodore 64 fans who bitched about this. -The SNES had an amazing graphics processor for its time, and the same can be said for its sound processor. Its shortcut comes in the form of its pitifully slow CPU and lack of VRAM. The system could have been the slayer machine, but the low VRAM and terrible CPU speed, and not to mention the horribly slow ROM access time, crippled it. "But it had the same VRAM as the other machines of its time!" Yes, it did... and that made it underwhelming for what it could have become. -The N64 can be only faulted for its lack of system RAM and its adherence to solid state storage in an age where it was being readily replaced with cheaper media. The latter wasn't a crippling factor but the former was. -The Gamecube was primarily crippled by its inferior graphics processor and foolish media choice. -The Wii... wow, where to begin here... it's little more than a Gamecube with an additional GPU and some more system RAM... the ultimate shortcut machine. By the time the Wii went to manufacturing, the components had become so cheap that Nintendo started *making* money each console sale rather than losing it... a phenomenon not really seen since the Atari 7800.
Now, these are all relative to other consoles of their respective eras, so keep that in mind. :) Most consoles throughout history have suffered from some kind of limiting factor that could have been avoided... the Genesis and its pitiful color palette, the Playstation and its terrible 3D hardware, etc... but there are also consoles which hit the formula perfectly when compared to their direct competition... the Dreamcast (slaughters the Playstation and gives the PS2 a serious run for its money) comes to mind here, as does the console this site is based on... the PC Engine (slaughters the NES).
If only hardware perfection translated into software quality... but alas, it doesn't, and each console's success has always been based not on technical prowess but software viability. Even when a game SUCKS MAJOR ASS, if you convince enough suckers to buy it, it's a success.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 08, 2011, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: Rover
The Gamecube was primarily crippled by its inferior graphics processor
How so? It was much better than the PS2 and inferior only to the O.G. XBOX. Most games were 480p and did not have many of the issues the PS2 did.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on May 08, 2011, 04:58:32 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I asked. How did it have an inferior graphics processor compared to the PS2 and Xbox?
The Gamecube is in the same generation as teh PS2 and XBOX, Rovie. :P
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on May 08, 2011, 07:03:39 PM
I'm aware of that. :P The original Xbox has graphics capabilities far superior to the Gamecube. The GC's graphical abilities are only slightly better than the PS2. Of course, you could always argue specific details and make a case either way... for example, the PS2 can display much higher resolution than the GC and overall has a much higher pixel fill rate, but the GC has dedicated 3D features not found on the PS2 that have to be implemented via software, plus the GC's graphics processor has a slightly higher clock rate than the PS2's. However, the Xbox puts them both to shame without even trying... its graphics capabilities are phenomenal in comparison and makes the GC and PS2 both look like the toys they are.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Mathius on May 08, 2011, 07:12:06 PM
I'm aware of that. :P The original Xbox has graphics capabilities far superior to the Gamecube. The GC's graphical abilities are only slightly better than the PS2. Of course, you could always argue specific details and make a case either way... for example, the PS2 can display much higher resolution than the GC and overall has a much higher pixel fill rate, but the GC has dedicated 3D features not found on the PS2 that have to be implemented via software, plus the GC's graphics processor has a slightly higher clock rate than the PS2's. However, the Xbox puts them both to shame without even trying... its graphics capabilities are phenomenal in comparison and makes the GC and PS2 both look like the toys they are.
I wonder why the XBOX always seemed to display a hazy picture in some games. Yes, it was a powerhouse, but whenever I think back to the XB I think about the milky graphics, as apposed to thinking of Rebel Assault's drool inducing fx on the GC, and Metal Gear on teh PS2.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 08, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
One thing the PS2 can do that the Xbox cannot is 240p. Not sure if the GC can do 240p, but I have heard (though not personally verified) that the Wii can for it's Virtual Console games. But I'd say the Gamecube's abilities fit nicely in that generation. The Wii, on the other hand... is the Wii even as powerful as the original Xbox? Personally, I like the O.G. Xbox more than the 360. It has more games I like.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on May 09, 2011, 03:05:41 AM
The PS2 has the widest range of resolutions of that console generation. I don't know about the Wii's purported 240p mode, though there seems to be some TVs that don't work properly with VC and it's asserted that it's because it's displaying in 240p.
The Wii falls far short of the original Xbox, just as the Gamecube did. But I will still state that the Gamecube is only comparable to the PS2. It might not be terribly crippling, but it certainly fails to raise the bar, as the Xbox did. We all know Sony's history of cheaping out, but Sony isn't in question here, Nintendo is... though it seems like both companies wanted to see if they could outcheap the other while Microsoft decided to say 'f*ck you both' and built a graphical powerhouse.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 09, 2011, 10:15:35 AM
The Wii, on the other hand... is the Wii even as powerful as the original Xbox? Personally, I like the O.G. Xbox more than the 360. It has more games I like.
In some ways yes, in some ways no. The same goes for the Game Cube actually. The Game Cube with effects (effects meaning textures, anti-aliasing, lighting) running could if properly utilized produce a higher total poly count than the original Xbox (I could go into a long rant about dev kits but I am leaving this out), however, the original Xbox had more RAM and more video RAM, could do pixel shaders and other graphical effects in hardware than the GameCube could not. The Wii has a PPC processor at the same clock speed as the original Xbox (but PPC for the purposes of a game console is a better choice than an X86 based Celron like the original Xbox used), but a faster video processor (though still there are some graphical effects the original Xbox could do, that the Wii can't) and more RAM than the Xbox.
So in most instances it would be correct to state that in general Wii is more powerful than the original Xbox, but there are a few things here and there that the original Xbox can do in hardware that the Wii can't do in hardware.
Added in Edit: Some Clarifications added
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arjak on May 09, 2011, 10:28:26 AM
My answer: None of the above.
The worst Nintendo console by far was the Virtual Boy. Why?
1. It wasn't even in color, unless you count red. Everything was red, and ONLY red.
2. It gave people headaches.
3. It had no games that were worth the purchase.
4. It was discontinued in less than a year.
5. It was such a huge failure that I've heard the designer was demoted. He's also dead now, but that wasn't the Virtual Boy's fault...OR WAS IT? 8-[
Seriously, all the consoles in the poll are masterpieces compared to the VB. People like to point to Sega as the poster child for bad console ideas, but I'd take a 32X over the VB any day. I'm dead serious.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 09, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
The VB wasn't a console, it was marketed as a portable.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 09, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
The VB was pretty shitty, but a couple of the games were pretty good, the controler is actually pretty great, and it only gives headaches to weaklings.
The 32x however...just sucked.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 09, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
BTW, these people who say the NES and SNES sucked worse than the N64 are out of thier f*cking minds.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Mathius on May 09, 2011, 11:28:12 AM
BTW, these people who say the NES and SNES sucked worse than the N64 are out of thier f*cking minds.
Even though I like the N64 I would have to agree.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Black Tiger on May 09, 2011, 12:20:03 PM
The Gamecube can do clean, clear, colorful/vibrant and smoother/less jaggy 3D with decent textures. The PS2 may technically be able to do higher resolutions, but every game I've seen looks messy/rough compared to decent GC and Xbox games.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on May 09, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
the VB to me is one of those novelty things. All in all it sucks, but its because of the library. I really liked a few games on it and had fun with it growing up. I was one of those retards that took it places. I even took it to school and laid on the ground outside during recess and played it.
I think if the game selection was better, and maybe if they chose different colors for it... it would have been way better.
black with blue or green wouldve been best!
Its like the Vectrex of the 90s! Great idea, but it didn't catch on.
... though, the Vectrex pummels the VB... lol
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arjak on May 10, 2011, 07:03:06 AM
The VB was pretty shitty, but a couple of the games were pretty good, the controler is actually pretty great, and it only gives headaches to weaklings.
The 32x however...just sucked.
True, the 32X did suck, but I still prefer it to the VB.
BTW, these people who say the NES and SNES sucked worse than the N64 are out of thier f*cking minds.
Quoted for truth. I like the N64, but the NES and SNES pwn it into oblivion as far as a game library that you want to play again and again is concerned. There are so many incredibly good games for them that it gives me a headache. The N64, not so much.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on May 10, 2011, 12:04:03 PM
the 32x was a victim of retarded design making it a not so fun programming event.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 10, 2011, 01:28:15 PM
Blame the Genesis for the way it was designed, it couldn't really work much differently. I suppose the CPUs could be easier to deal with, but the way it hooks up MUST be like that. The 32X also suffered shitty marketing and shitty timing. Oh, and mostly shitty games.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: roflmao on May 10, 2011, 01:40:36 PM
Yeah, the 32X is the only system I ever purchased new ... and returned the same day. Man, what a disappointment that system was. Looking back, I only played Doom on it, but it was such an awful port considering I had a computer that could blow it out of the water in the other room. Perhaps it was a poor decision at the time, but I honestly don't feel any regret for getting my money back for that pile of suck.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: marktheshark on August 06, 2011, 06:50:03 PM
Sorry for bumping this old thread. Just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Anyways. Even though the N64 aged pretty poorly today, it still holds a special place in my heart. The Gamecube, however, is the 1st system that disappointed the hell out of me during it's lifespan. I got it back in Christmas 2002 & within less than a year, I was already wanting to get a PS2 instead.
The controller is good for quite a few games, but it's just a hassle playing any fighters or even some Game Boy games with it. The small D-pad & the weird button placement & size is guilty of this.
Some genres on the Gamecube aren't represented much better than on the N64. There was like, only one 2D fighter on the system (not including the ones in compilations.) The shoot em' ups were still poorly represented. Besides Ikaruga & Chaos Field, there just wasn't much else. The RPG library on Gamecube isn't much better than on the N64. The only ones that were noteworthy are Tales of Symphonia & maybe Lost Kingdoms 1 & 2.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 06, 2011, 08:13:21 PM
It always amuses me greatly that this thread exists.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Tatsujin on August 07, 2011, 12:01:33 AM
Some genres on the Gamecube aren't represented much better than on the N64. There was like, only one 2D fighter on the system (not including the ones in compilations.) The shoot em' ups were still poorly represented. Besides Ikaruga & Chaos Field, there just wasn't much else. The RPG library on Gamecube isn't much better than on the N64. The only ones that were noteworthy are Tales of Symphonia & maybe Lost Kingdoms 1 & 2.
It really depends on what you count as a 2D fighter. Soul Calibur II is a 2D fighter that simply uses 3D graphics, like SFIV. The PSP 3D version of Drac X isn't a 3D game.
What did the N64 have for proper shooters other than these?
Dezaemon 3D -looks like Layer Section II for 32X Star Soldier 64 Bangaio -if it counts
Gamecube at least has-
Ikaruga Shikigami No Shiro II Chaos Field Radio Allergy Star Soldier Space Raiders -if it counts
The N64 only has Quest 64 as far as anything that comes close to a RPG. The Gamecube has some proper ones that are considered good by many people, plus it has PSO, which many not be a regular RPG, but it is one of the greatest games ever made.
The way that I look at it, even if the same number of games in a genre is available for two consoles, if one console has good to great ones and the other has mediocre to poor ones, then the libraries are worlds apart. Plus, even if you're talking comparable quality, when dealing with such small numbers, 1 title versus 3 means a 200% larger library, which is a big difference.
The fact that the GC supports GBA games is and really was a big deal at the time. The N64 never officially had anything comparable.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 07, 2011, 08:58:48 AM
I wrote up a post similar to Black Tiger's earlier today but the internet ate it.
The GC has Soul Calibur 2, CvS 2, a bunch of (better than you'd think) Naruto and DBZ games. It also has Kinikuman, which I f*cking LOVE. Obviously that's no PS2-grade selection of fighters, but it kicks the shit out of what the N64 has; wrestling and Mortal Kombat.
Shooters are a similar thing, a small selection but vastly superior to what the N64 has (basically nothing).
As far as I can tell the N64 is loved by people of a specific age mostly because of the timing and maybe Zelda tOoT (which is hugely overrated, IMO). Those same kids who were in that perfect age bracket were also trying to "grow up" when the GC was released so they though it sucked compared to other "mature" systems like PS2 and Xbox.
Objectively the only thing the N64 really excelled at were the Pokemon games (which, without the GBC games to link with, were nearly useless) Mario, and Zelda (sorta). It really just pretty much sucked at everything else.
The GC on the other hand...while the volume of good software is low, its certainly there, and the hardware itself is great, IMO, dead reliable, compact, plays all GB games made up until that point, a very solid controller, 480p output.
The GC sometimes reminds me of the PSP. If you go to Target or wherever and look at the PSP selection you'd think that system was the biggest piece of crap ever. There isn't anything in the shops except Madden, SOCOM, and Bratz. Its hell. If you look at my game shelf at home though you'd only see about 15 games, but (almost) all of them are f*cking great. The same sort of thing happened to the GC. It took a long-ass time, but over the lifespan of the system some really great things showed up. It was just easy to forget them because they went out of print and were never seen again.
There are also a few good JP-only GC games. Mobile Suit Gundam: Senshitachi no Kiseki (aka: The Ace Pilots or The Pilot's Locust) is every bit as good than any of the PS2 Gundam games (much better than many). PCE fans would also like Bomberman Land 2, which for some reason stayed in Japan while the shitty B-Man games like Jetters were localized instead.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Lilgrafx on August 07, 2011, 02:51:34 PM
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Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Lilgrafx on August 07, 2011, 02:54:09 PM
The RPG library on Gamecube isn't much better than on the N64. The only ones that were noteworthy are Tales of Symphonia & maybe Lost Kingdoms 1 & 2.
I loved the paper Mario games
Baiten Katos and Baiten Kaitos Origins are both pretty good. If you're into strategy RPGs, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance is spectacular.
I loved the paper Mario games
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: blueraven on August 08, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
? Quote fail?
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: thrush on August 09, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
I agree with basically everything Sign of Zeta said (the only exception being that I think it's Mario 64 that's over-rated). I particularly liked the comparison with the PSP. I would still, personally, take the N64 over the VB, though, as the latter gives me a headache. That may say more about me than the system, though, as most early handhelds give me headaches.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: vestcoat on August 09, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
I finally cast a vote for the N64. I like it, it has some good games, and it's strong in a few genres (multiplayers, racing, FPS), but I have to admit it's not Nintendo's finest effort.
It's similar to the 3DO: the 3DO library suffered because it was the first system really capable of pulling off flashy FMV crap that was all the rage, while the N64 was loaded with ill-conceived 3-D attempts because of its advanced capabilities. It's probably safe to say that any system swept up in some new technology craze will get hosed in the games department. Like how the first talkies sucked because they abandoned the silent movie format that had long been perfected and stretched to the limits, trading it for static scenes with actors standing around a hidden microphone.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 09, 2011, 11:52:13 AM
As bad as the N64 was, it's 1000 better than the 3DO. That thing just totally sucked.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Mathius on August 09, 2011, 01:59:32 PM
As bad as the N64 was, it's 1000 better than the 3DO. That thing just totally sucked.
Was the 3DO worth the $700 asking price bitd? No sir! But, in today's prices? Yes as long as you buy it along with Star Control II. That game just simply rocks!
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: vestcoat on August 09, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
Captain Quazar!
Apparently Zeta is a fun hater. [-X
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on August 10, 2011, 05:34:14 AM
3D0 > N64
I can only think of 4 games that could be considered RPG's for the N64 Paper Mario, Shadowgate 64, Ogre Battle 64, and Quest 64.
While the GC didn't have the kind of RPG's that PS2 fans enjoyed, the ones that it DID get were much better than ^that^ offering.... check http://www.amazon.com/The-GameCubes-best-RPGs/lm/2BW0RPCYCMWZX for some good gamecube RPG's for cheap!
The N64 only has Quest 64 as far as anything that comes close to a RPG. The Gamecube has some proper ones that are considered good by many people, plus it has PSO, which many not be a regular RPG, but it is one of the greatest games ever made.
The way that I look at it, even if the same number of games in a genre is available for two consoles, if one console has good to great ones and the other has mediocre to poor ones, then the libraries are worlds apart. Plus, even if you're talking comparable quality, when dealing with such small numbers, 1 title versus 3 means a 200% larger library, which is a big difference.
N64 had 387 releases. GameCube had over 600 releases.
People that piss on the GC probably didn't give it a fair chance. My point of view it was Nintendo busting their asses to try to win back the masses that they shit on with the N64. The N64 left such a rancid taste in peoples mouths that the GC suffered. Similar to what happened to the Sega Saturn after the Sega CD/ 32X garbage.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Black Tiger on August 10, 2011, 01:03:38 PM
I'd rather play SSFIIX with various 3DO pads than almost every N64 game. Same with Policenauts and Lucienne's Quest.
Mario 64 and Shadowman 64 would probably be enough to tip the scales for me though. :)
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 10, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
I'd rather play SSFIIX with various 3DO pads than almost every N64 game.
The 3DO version of SSFIIX is decent, but not being able to actually play it due to every 3DO controller I've ever had access to being a stinking piece of shit makes it far more frustrating that if it were simply a bad game. The experience...is maddening.
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Same with Policenauts and Lucienne's Quest.
Policenauts yes, Lucienne's Quest...please.
I know why people defend the piece of shit that is 3DO (they are being contrary and grown up and anti-Nintendo and all that stupid shit). What I can't understand is why they never mention Return Fire, which is clearly the best game on the system.
Once a machine is as old as hell and can be had for nothing and tons of stuff has been ported here and there and everywhere, a mediocre version of Street Fighter is irrelevant. I can buy a perfect version on Playstation for $3, who gives a shit? What matters now are the things that can only be played on 3DO. Policenauts is on PS and SS, a fan translation exists on PS. I'm sure as hell not going to keep a 3DO around for that. I'm also not going to keep a Jag around for Tempest 2000, or Rayman.
The 3DO doesn't have the only version of Return Fire but it does have the best, and this is highly unlikely to ever change.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on August 10, 2011, 06:04:31 PM
I know why people defend the piece of shit that is 3DO (they are being contrary and grown up and anti-Nintendo and all that stupid shit). What I can't understand is why they never mention Return Fire, which is clearly the best game on the system.
The games I've played the most on 3DO are Twisted! and Zhadnost with friends. With that said, I have Return Fire and its expansion disc, have played through Japanese Policenauts, and played through Luciennes Quest. And yes, the N64 is a better system than the 3DO. But the 3DO does have those unique FMV games that it either has the best version of, or that simply were not ported to other systems.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: csgx1 on August 11, 2011, 06:44:34 AM
I'd rather play SSFIIX with various 3DO pads than almost every N64 game.
The 3DO version of SSFIIX is decent, but not being able to actually play it due to every 3DO controller I've ever had access to being a stinking piece of shit makes it far more frustrating that if it were simply a bad game. The experience...is maddening.
N64 > 3DO > Jaguar
I voted for the N64. I don't think it's a bad system but not as good of a game selection compared to other Nintendo consoles. N64 is better than the VB but I guess we're not talking about portables.
I do agree, the original 3DO controller is crap and makes playing SSF2T a chore. I use a Panasonic M2 testing controller that works great with SSF2T.
N64 and 3DO are still a lot better then the Jaguar. The Jaguar is the only system that I've bought and sold twice over the years because I was led to believe that there were some decent games. Never again. For me, there's not a single decent game on the Jaguar worth playing.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: blueraven on August 18, 2011, 09:43:41 AM
The 3D0 was a total crapfest. Way of the Warrior is quite possibly the worst fighter ever. If Star Control 2, Fifa and Gex are what you are basing all of your rankings on, then its a 2.5 or 3 game system at best. The Jaguar has AvP, which is quite possibly the only redeeming point of the console, so I'll put it even with the 3DO.
Throw that shit out the window, or sell it for PC Engine games.
I voted for Gamecube.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Necromancer on August 18, 2011, 09:48:40 AM
The Jaguar has AvP, which is quite possibly the only redeeming point of the console, so I'll put it even with the 3DO.
AvP was one of the reasons why I picked up a Jaguar system. I didn't like AvP and it was not a good enough reason for me to keep a Jaguar system. FPS are not my type of games, but I thought Killing Time on the 3DO was more entertaining.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: vestcoat on August 20, 2011, 08:45:14 AM
The 3D0 was a total crapfest. Way of the Warrior is quite possibly the worst fighter ever. If Star Control 2, Fifa and Gex are what you are basing all of your rankings on, then its a 2.5 or 3 game system at best. The Jaguar has AvP, which is quite possibly the only redeeming point of the console, so I'll put it even with the 3DO.
Throw that shit out the window, or sell it for PC Engine games.
Ouch. That's quite the scathing review.
The 3DO has a small but respectable library of good games. Maybe many of them are PC ports and maybe most of the originals were later ported to Playstation. I don't know and I don't care. I'm not interested in playing Playstation/Saturn versions of 3DO games just like I'm not interested in playing Genesis versions of Master System games or the Genesis/SNES versions of Turbo games.
I'm not saying the 3DO doesn't have shit tons of terrible games, but its ratio is a lot better than the Jaguar. This guy does a good job of sifting through the crap and finding the few dozen games worth playing: http://www.retro-sanctuary.com/TOP%2040%203do%20GAMES.html (http://www.retro-sanctuary.com/TOP 40 3do GAMES.html)
Every few weeks I buy one of these "top 40" games on ebay for $5-10 and they're generally pretty awesome. I remember trying to buy the handful of good Jaguar games and eventually losing patience because Atari Karts and Iron Soldier 2 were $50-100 and even plain old Doom was $20. My opinion would be different if the 3DO was outrageously expensive, but I've gotten a pretty good bang for my buck out of this maligned old console.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on August 20, 2011, 09:23:01 AM
I actually kind of liked Kasumi Ninja... it was quirky as hell and had some pretty stupid control issues, but hearing "Show No Mercy" instead of "Finish Him" was kind of nifty, and finding the *real* final boss was relatively unique in concept. There are obviously MUCH better fighters out there, but it wasn't a total loss... I actually liked it WAY better than that stupid Double Dragon fighter on the same system.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Arkhan on August 21, 2011, 03:41:44 PM
I actually kind of liked Kasumi Ninja... it was quirky as hell and had some pretty stupid control issues, but hearing "Show No Mercy" instead of "Finish Him" was kind of nifty, and finding the *real* final boss was relatively unique in concept. There are obviously MUCH better fighters out there, but it wasn't a total loss... I actually liked it WAY better than that stupid Double Dragon fighter on the same system.
It's nowhere near as bad as "Fight for Life".
A somewhat interesting side story to all of this is a few years ago I was running a Linux User Group, and a guy who was a semi-regular to our meetings showed up with a Jaguar T-shirt, I thought that was kind of unusual and asked him about it.
He was involved in the production of a large number of games for "High Voltage" including "Fight For Life", upon learning this I showed him the Seanbaby site and he was directly involved in the production of several of the games listed as the 20 worst (see link http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/egm.htm ) .
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Opethian on August 22, 2011, 01:48:16 AM
hah thats a good one DDan (seanbaby link)
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: henrycsc on September 09, 2011, 06:14:14 PM
I'm confused, what's a Nintendo?
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nat on September 09, 2011, 07:15:38 PM
I haven't looked at this thread in forever, it's great to see the N64 so far ahead in votes than all the others.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: thrush on September 11, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
I just reread this entire thread. I really like the variety of view points on here ... I agree with at least one thing everyone has said, and disagree with at least one thing!
About the only thing I want to add to the N64 debate is that I personally have no problem with cartridges (and never have had); that's actually one of the things I liked about the system bitd. I'll also say that LoZ:OoT was the first 3D game of any kind (including Wolfenstein & Doom) that I completely enjoyed. Mario 64 just feels empty to me. But, I do believe the N64 controller is the devil. Granted, the DC controller & the Wii remote have their problems but they have their good points, too. I guess I never played enough N64 games to be introduced to its good points. Just looking at it, it's almost nightmare fuel, like Cthulhu incarnated as an electronic device.... But then I favour simplicity in interface. My favourite controllers by far are the SNES & Turbo pads tied, with the PS2 in second: all three get the job done with minimum fuss and are easy on my hands & wrists.
What I would really like to know is, what were the thoughts of the people who voted NES or SNES?
I guess I've achieved enough emotional distance from the console wars of yesteryear that I can appreciate just about every older console now ... or maybe it's just a measure of my disappointment with the contemporary offerings, I don't know. But, I am really happy to say that there is room in my den for the 2600, SMS, NES, & Turbo to sit side-by-side ... once I get together the dough to get all of them, that is. ^_^
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Mathius on September 11, 2011, 03:36:34 PM
The N64 controller is one thing I really like about the system. It controls well, and is very comfortable in my hands.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SuperDeadite on September 11, 2011, 03:49:39 PM
Honestly speaking the Wii, N64, GC, SNES are all terrible systems with shit games for the most part. NES and original Gameboy are the only Nintendo systems to have good quality balanced libraries. Note the keyword "BALANCED." But N64 is clearly the worst just for the terrible terrible quality video.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nat on September 11, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
I agree with this, if we're talking sheer numbers. I think the Wii is a pretty decent system, with a library that is mainly filled with shovelware. That said, it has some great games, but they are few and far between by comparison.
The GC library is even worse. Indeed, I'm hard pressed to come up with even three extraordinary GC games.
The N64 is all this, and built on poorly designed & crippled hardware to boot.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Mathius on September 11, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
I don't see how anyone can hate on the SNES. It's a console full of epicness. :) It even had a pretty decent launch lineup with SMW, Actraiser, Super Castlevania IV, etc.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 11, 2011, 07:02:15 PM
I don't see how anyone can hate on the SNES. It's a console full of epicness. :) It even had a pretty decent launch lineup with SMW, Actraiser, Super Castlevania IV, etc.
Yeah, I don't get it either. There is a lot of that on this forum though.
More importantly, who cares if the system has a lot of shovelware? All that matters are the good games, unless you are some sort of completist nut job, in which case you've got bigger problems.
The NES is swimming in shovelware, yet is the most highly regarded Nintendo system. Why? Because when the fanboys first played it they had not yet developed the high standards they have now. Now they complain about Bratz and Army Men but they let Platoon and M.U.S.C.LE. slide because they were 11 years old at the time.
I've never played a Game Cube game as terrible as Transformers: The Mystery of Convoy. I'm sure there is one, I just haven't played it. Instead I played Killer 7, Luigi's Mansion, Wind Waker, Mystic Heroes, Pikman, Viewtiful Joe, F-Zero,R4: Racing, Gundam: The Ace Pilot, Mario Sunshine, Kinikuman, Bomberman Land 2, Godzilla, PN03, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Super Monkey Ball, Alien Hominid (GC ver. is best), Custom Robo, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Metroid Prime...jezus, even as I type that I find the lost impressive. That's a really good list of games, I left out almost all of the sports and multi-platform stuff.
Never mind the Tom Clancy shit, the EA games, the Barbie stuff, that shit doesn't matter. We'd never let Appare! Gateball or Energy define our perception of the PCE, so why do we fixate on the worst stuff when it comes to the Cube?
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on September 11, 2011, 10:29:29 PM
I've never played a Game Cube game as terrible as Transformers: The Mystery of Convoy. I'm sure there is one, I just haven't played it. Instead I played Killer 7, Luigi's Mansion, Wind Waker, Mystic Heroes, Pikman, Viewtiful Joe, F-Zero,R4: Racing, Gundam: The Ace Pilot, Mario Sunshine, Kinikuman, Bomberman Land 2, Godzilla, PN03, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Super Monkey Ball, Alien Hominid (GC ver. is best), Custom Robo, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Metroid Prime...jezus, even as I type that I find the lost impressive. That's a really good list of games, I left out almost all of the sports and multi-platform stuff.
Never mind the Tom Clancy shit, the EA games, the Barbie stuff, that shit doesn't matter. We'd never let Appare! Gateball or Energy define our perception of the PCE, so why do we fixate on the worst stuff when it comes to the Cube?
PSO I,II, III - Crystal Chronicles, Four Swords (Link to the Past Arcade), Tales of Symphonia, Skies Legends, Baten Kaitos, Fire Emblem, the only US release of Ikaruga.....
Hell, it even had Metal Gear Solid special edition, another good game.
If I had to rank the Nintendo releases as far as quality libraries, it would look like this: BEST- SNES NES Wii GC N64 WORST With the GC having a pretty good library, it really makes the N64 look like the useless piece of shit it was...
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 12, 2011, 06:46:45 AM
I forgot about Pac Man Vs. on GC. That thing is the business. One of the most fun multi-player games I've ever played, right up there with Death Tank Zwei and Saturn Bomberman.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: Otaking on September 12, 2011, 07:55:36 AM
I would of voted Gamecube.
I am not a big fan of the N64 but it has what many (not me) regard as the greatest games of all time: Zelda ocarina of time, Golden Eye and Mario 64. So taking that into account even though I was never a N64 big fan I wouldn't say it's either dumb, stupid or shit.
Whoever voted for the snes is officially mega R-Tarded.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: guyjin on September 12, 2011, 08:30:01 AM
What I would really like to know is, what were the thoughts of the people who voted NES or SNES?
"DERP"
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nodtveidt on September 13, 2011, 08:53:52 AM
THIS LOOKS LIKE COOKIE.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: geise on September 14, 2011, 05:38:12 AM
N64 all the way! I just never got into it. I couldn't believe nintendo was still going cartridge at that time. Saw and played mario 64, and I didn't care for it at all. For me it was nowhere near as fun as the 2d ones. I never was big on Zelda or first person shooters so that pretty much sums up the N64 for me. Oh and it has the shittiest Soldier Blade ever! Only thing remotely good about it is Bangai-O and probably Sin&Punishment.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: nat on September 15, 2011, 07:20:01 PM
True, but Bangai-O is even better on Dreamcast....
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: geise on September 16, 2011, 02:00:54 AM
I heard Bangai-O actually controlls better on the N64. From reviews I've read the controll scheme on the N64 makes it a tad easier to play. I however only own the DC version, and I think it plays fine to me. :-k I do love the totally literal not making any sense translation on the DC version haha!
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 16, 2011, 06:30:40 AM
N64 all the way! I just never got into it. I couldn't believe nintendo was still going cartridge at that time. Saw and played mario 64, and I didn't care for it at all. For me it was nowhere near as fun as the 2d ones. I never was big on Zelda or first person shooters so that pretty much sums up the N64 for me. Oh and it has the shittiest Soldier Blade ever! Only thing remotely good about it is Bangai-O and probably Sin&Punishment.
It being catridge based was never a real issue, just a "customer perception" issue. The Neo Geo was cartridge based and at the absolute top of it's game during the N64s lifespan. Also, note that optical disks are going away with solid state re-taking over.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 16, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
It being catridge based was never a real issue, just a "customer perception" issue. The Neo Geo was cartridge based and at the absolute top of it's game during the N64s lifespan. Also, note that optical disks are going away with solid state re-taking over.
The problem with it being cartridge based was that it greatly limited what developers could do. A very largest N64 games like Resident Evil 2 or Conker was only 64 megabytes (512 megabits). A standard data CD could do 640 megabytes. Now admittedly, most CD games in that era a lot of that space was wasted on CGI cutscenes and unnecessary audio and things but needless to say it did limit developer freedom greatly.
The second part of this is the actual cost of the cartridges, companies like Natsume and Atlus produced some of their cartridge games in very very limited quantities because overproducing unused carts could cause huge problems for a small company since manufacturing the inventory was so high.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 16, 2011, 03:12:09 PM
Yes, but the cartridge was also an advantage in some cases. Mario 64, Zelda, and many other games would have had to have completely different level design if done on CD.
On the Playstation you either had 1) absolutely brutal load times/frequency or 2) massive repetition like Crash Bandicoot.
I mean, think of how much time you spend just walking through three rooms in Resident Evil 1. Little Mario can blast through 10 times that much shit in two seconds because as awesome as 700MB CDs are, only having 2MB of RAM (same as the PCE with Arcade Card) just sucks ass.
Don't get me wrong. The N64 was total pants and the most disapointing console ever, but the carts weren't the problem.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 16, 2011, 04:38:48 PM
Yes, but the cartridge was also an advantage in some cases. Mario 64, Zelda, and many other games would have had to have completely different level design if done on CD.
On the Playstation you either had 1) absolutely brutal load times/frequency or 2) massive repetition like Crash Bandicoot.
I mean, think of how much time you spend just walking through three rooms in Resident Evil 1. Little Mario can blast through 10 times that much shit in two seconds because as awesome as 700MB CDs are, only having 2MB of RAM (same as the PCE with Arcade Card) just sucks ass.
Don't get me wrong. The N64 was total pants and the most disapointing console ever, but the carts weren't the problem.
In some cases it was definitely helpful. In other cases like with traditional RPGs, it was a huge hinderage to developing them for the platform.
Also, most disappointing console ever? Really? I mean the Atari 5200 was an absolutely unmitigated terrible disaster of a followup to the Atari 2600 for example. The 3DO had a gigantic library of third party developers and led a short and tragic life. There's lots of others that were more disappointing to me, but it's all a matter of personal opinion.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 16, 2011, 05:58:48 PM
The N64 followed up the Super Nintendo, which is one of the my all time favorite machines, and the N64 basically just sucked balls in every way. The SNES/SFC had loads of RPGs, the N64 had none. The only 2D fighters on N64 were KI and MK, which are f*cking shit. Super Mario Kart was amazing, and is still one of the best racers ever, Mario Kart 64 is an ugly, random, rubber band fest for losers. Zelda: TOoT: didn't like it anywhere near as much as Link's Awakening and Link to the Past. It was very very brown and I kept getting lost. Yoshi's Island: Best game ever made. Yoshi's Story: A C- at best. I still think Waverace 64 and Super Mario 64 are really really good, but that was about it for me. Sin and Punishment was too little too late. By that time I was knee deep in Saturn and loving it.
The 5200 didn't disappoint me because I've never liked an Atari console aside from the Lynx (which was rather incredible). When the 2600 was current I either played Colecovision or stayed at the arcade.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: geise on September 19, 2011, 07:19:21 AM
Hell yes! Another lover of the Lynx. I loved that hand held. Atari actually did a good job hardware wise with it.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 08:13:27 AM
Hell yes! Another lover of the Lynx. I loved that hand held. Atari actually did a good job hardware wise with it.
Except the size of the first model. It's the Atari 5200 of handhelds.
All of this bad mouthing of the Atari 5200 needs to come to an end. The controller wasn't very good, I can admit that, but the console has a great variety of games and is one of the most under-appreciated systems of all-time. The Angry Video Game Nerd does a video saying something is bad, and all of a sudden a generation of brainwashed wanna-be retro gamers all "know" that the system sucks. Maybe if more people actually played the system, they'd understand how great it was. Pitfall 2 on the Atari 5200 is one of my favorite games ever, and I played it a hell of a lot more than I ever played Super Mario Brothers. Additionally, there were some really good ports of classic arcade games that were not to be missed for the system.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 19, 2011, 09:05:12 AM
Wasn't the 5200 version of Donkey Kong really good? I seem to remember that.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: guyjin on September 19, 2011, 09:51:49 AM
Hell yes! Another lover of the Lynx. I loved that hand held. Atari actually did a good job hardware wise with it.
Except the size of the first model. It's the Atari 5200 of handhelds.
All of this bad mouthing of the Atari 5200 needs to come to an end. The controller wasn't very good, I can admit that, but the console has a great variety of games and is one of the most under-appreciated systems of all-time.
And virtually all of them were already/eventually released on Atari's XE computers, with better controls.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: majors on September 19, 2011, 10:31:48 AM
Hell yes! Another lover of the Lynx. I loved that hand held. Atari actually did a good job hardware wise with it.
Except the size of the first model. It's the Atari 5200 of handhelds.
All of this bad mouthing of the Atari 5200 needs to come to an end.
All the bad mouthing the model 1 Lynx needs to end. Screw the model 2, fat ugly POS...I have two original models and still think it's sexy. (sorry, was this a Nintendo thread?)
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
All of this bad mouthing of the Atari 5200 needs to come to an end. The controller wasn't very good, I can admit that, but the console has a great variety of games and is one of the most under-appreciated systems of all-time. The Angry Video Game Nerd does a video saying something is bad, and all of a sudden a generation of brainwashed wanna-be retro gamers all "know" that the system sucks. Maybe if more people actually played the system, they'd understand how great it was. Pitfall 2 on the Atari 5200 is one of my favorite games ever, and I played it a hell of a lot more than I ever played Super Mario Brothers. Additionally, there were some really good ports of classic arcade games that were not to be missed for the system.
Alright, let me be specific and state that the 5200 comparison was due to the size of it.
Anyway, here's why there's so much frequent bashing of the 5200. first off the controller is the worst controller ever. It broke very quickly, the analog joysticks don't center themselves (the boot just doesn't work), the buttons break, it's not very comfortable to hold. The list can go on and on.
Second off, the controller directly effected your ability to play games. In Frogger if I want to move forward I don't just move the joystick in the direct I want like any other port, because of the lousy non-centering controller I have to press a button to confirm I actually intended to move so I don't go running into traffic. The same situation exists with Q-Bert.
Oh and the system is hilariously gigantic. Also, Pitfall 2 is good for 5200 (I have it and the 2600 version), but I'd say by in large the Colecovision had better arcade ports from the same period. No, it didn't have Pac-Man but it had a much bigger library of quality games.
Yes, the 5200 had some great games, but it came with a huge price of using that awful controller and finding the space to put the damn system out since it's so massive.
Wasn't the 5200 version of Donkey Kong really good? I seem to remember that.
There was one for the 400/800 that got ported via repro carts to 5200, but there was no officially commercially released version for 5200. You're thinking of the colecovision port.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 19, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
No, I'm thinking of the repro, evidently. I have weird friends who actually buy/play this crap.
I had a Coleco and DK. It was pretty good (obliterates the 2600 ver.) but it lacks the same level almost all the ports lack. IIRC the 5200 version I played had it.
Title: Re: Dumbest/Stupidest/Shittiest/All-around worst Nintendo console
Post by: TheClash603 on September 19, 2011, 05:14:53 PM
Until I got my Gameboy, my 5200 was my most played system, I played the thing hours daily. Oddly enough, I never once broke or had an issue with my controllers... I only cited controller issues because most other people say they have them, so everyone can't be lying.