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Dyna138

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2011, 07:49:07 AM »
Since I've restarted collecting Turbo/PCE games about a year ago I've often referrenced www.racketboy.com and the rare and valuable article for the Turbografx/PCE. Its a good way to get a good "starting point" and then use your own judgement and some common sense. That article also references this forum so I'm guessing at some point there was a survey here to get a rough estimate of the value of those games.

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 10:44:45 AM »
Since I've restarted collecting Turbo/PCE games about a year ago I've often referrenced www.racketboy.com and the rare and valuable article for the Turbografx/PCE. Its a good way to get a good "starting point" and then use your own judgement and some common sense. That article also references this forum so I'm guessing at some point there was a survey here to get a rough estimate of the value of those games.


That's a great site and thanks for sharing the link. Only problem I have is his copy of Coryoon is WAYYYY overpriced. I've seen better looking copies for less than half of that asking price...http://www.superclassicvideogames.com/zen%20cart%20software/zen%20cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_13&products_id=938&zenid=03nidjnogc8jb00fs79ghsa6s7

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2011, 10:48:09 AM »
Since I've restarted collecting Turbo/PCE games about a year ago I've often referrenced www.racketboy.com and the rare and valuable article for the Turbografx/PCE. Its a good way to get a good "starting point" and then use your own judgement and some common sense. That article also references this forum so I'm guessing at some point there was a survey here to get a rough estimate of the value of those games.


That's a great site and thanks for sharing the link. Only problem I have is his copy of Coryoon is WAYYYY overpriced. I've seen better looking copies for less than half of that asking price...http://www.superclassicvideogames.com/zen%20cart%20software/zen%20cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_13&products_id=938&zenid=03nidjnogc8jb00fs79ghsa6s7


After looking at the other titles a lot of games are way off the mark. If you are looking for a good deal on a nice selection of PCE games, I doubt you'll find it there...sadly.

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2011, 04:19:13 PM »
Since I've restarted collecting Turbo/PCE games about a year ago I've often referrenced www.racketboy.com and the rare and valuable article for the Turbografx/PCE. Its a good way to get a good "starting point" and then use your own judgement and some common sense. That article also references this forum so I'm guessing at some point there was a survey here to get a rough estimate of the value of those games.

Those racketboy prices are bunk.  We did a fair amount of bitching when that article came out and to my knowledge they never came around doing a survey, so definitely error on the side of common sense.

Within the last year or so, one or two complete copies of MC suddenly sold for around $2,000 on ebay for the first time.  Maybe it was a fluke, maybe it was a bidding war between just two or three rich f*ckers...we don't know, but now the high-end price is officially $2,000.

Incomplete copies of Bonk 3 hucard regularly sell for $60-70 (loose) to $90 (w/manual).  Even on ebay.  Even recently.  Unfortunately, this ONE GUY hasn't noticed that, so the official starting price is now $150.  

MMIII has always been a little obscure, but never terribly rare.  It has occupied that $50-100 price range in between Exile 2 and DE2.  TZD stocked it until the early-mid part of the last decade.  I've never seen a copy approach the $200 mark, but according to racketboy, it's the norm.

If you ignore the prices, Racketboy provides decent primers for different systems and libraries, but the authors seem to be younger, rely on secondary internet sources, and get their facts wrong all the time.  The site has merit, but specialist grognards of particular systems seem to bitch about racketboy across the board.
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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2011, 04:43:23 PM »
I don't understand why Might and Magic III can be picked up for $10 off gog.com yet garners such a high price for the TG-16.  Sure, some people want it to complete their collection, but it's BETTER ON THE PC AND WAY CHEAPER.  Who the hell cares you don't have 100% complete TG-16 collection because you're not retarded enough to pay stupid amounts of cash for an old game that's better elsewhere.  I will never go out of my way to pick up a game if I can get an equal or better version for another system - but I guess I'll also never be considered a "collector" either.  Fine by me. 

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2011, 08:52:49 AM »
The problem with price guides, is that pro-price guide people refuse to accept decent, non-raping values that most people either do get the games for or would only pay for them. They seem to only be looking for gouging guides.

Sold prices don't tell the whole story of a game's value. Asking prices that don't sell are only the tip of the iceberg. Any game's true value is what the most people would pay for it and with a market like the TG-16, what most people would pay isn't advertised through potential sales.

If 90% of Turbo shoppers would pay as much as $5 for Keith Courage, but it usually goes unsold at higher asking prices, because it's rarely listed as low as $5, its value is actually <$5. This figure wouldn't be revealed in all the unsold listings, you'd only get a feel for it by talking to members of the community. If there are a few sellers regularly listing KC for $100+, the true value is still $5. If for whatever reason(s), every once in a while someone is foolish enough to buy KC for anywhere between $10 - $100 or more, the game's true value is still $5.

So we could get together and make a date-proof price guide that would reflect what most people would pay for each game, but judging by the comments of most pro-price guide posters who have visited the forum, they would dismiss it as fantasy. I'm guessing that most price guide searchers are more sellers than players or fans. Who are interested in potentially someday flipping the games they buy, even if the play them a bit at first. The arguments against anti-price guide logic seem to be from investment/seller/collecting-for-the-sake-of-collecting/etc perspectives, which all justify sellers guides, not buying guides.

If 90% of the people who actually buy Turbo games would only pay $1 - $100 for Magical Chase, then MC's dollar value is <$100. The rare $2000 sale prices don't average the value out, it doesn't work that way. If you believe that it does, then price guides are useless to you anyway. The rare super low prices sales actually do affect the game's value though. If you are a buyer. If you'd never pay more than $100 for a game that sells at times for $50 and at times for $2000, and almost everyone else would rather not buy it all than pay more than $100, then the $2000 sales are meaningless unless you are a gouger interested in manipulating the market.

Even if you are the kind of person who would average in the crazy high sales into the equation, along with low sales and what most Turbo buyers would actually pay... you're still ignoring what most game fans who are not regular Turbo buyers would pay, along with what the rest of the world would pay. If you're going to factor in what anyone would pay for MC and not just what almost all Turbo fans would pay, then its value to the average person is really about a penny.

Even with the occasional ridiculous selling prices of Magical Chase, all that it has done is made it so that Turbo fans rarely buy it. The reason almost all Turbo fans don't buy it anymore? Because it's not worth what most people are asking for it.
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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2011, 10:17:30 AM »
Awesome post.
So we could get together and make a date-proof price guide that would reflect what most people would pay for each game, but judging by the comments of most pro-price guide posters who have visited the forum, they would dismiss it as fantasy.
Bingo.
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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2011, 01:08:37 PM »
It's true. Most of the time people interested in price guides are either sellers or people who get a thrill from reading something that says their collection is valuable. Price guides are not famous for keeping prices low, just the opposite.

Racketboy, Digital Press, those video game "grading" people...they all have guides because they are the ones who buy and sell the games at insane prices that only get more insane by the day. Beleive me when I say I mean no disrespect to those people, but f*ck those f*cking f*ckers, and the horse f*cking horse they f*cking f*ck. Pricks.

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2011, 01:38:20 PM »
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Within the last year or so, one or two complete copies of MC suddenly sold for around $2,000 on ebay for the first time.  Maybe it was a fluke, maybe it was a bidding war between just two or three rich f*ckers...we don't know, but now the high-end price is officially $2,000.

Holy jeebus...if only I would have known what the future may hold, as I sold my copy of MMIII a few years ago for $150. This is an instance where I wish I could wield a crystal ball...

And regarding the price guide, I see what a nuisance it can be/become. If I ever need a price on a game I'll just ask here. 'Nuff said!

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2011, 02:32:28 PM »
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Within the last year or so, one or two complete copies of MC suddenly sold for around $2,000 on ebay for the first time.  Maybe it was a fluke, maybe it was a bidding war between just two or three rich f*ckers...we don't know, but now the high-end price is officially $2,000.
Holy jeebus...if only I would have known what the future may hold, as I sold my copy of MMIII a few years ago for $150. This is an instance where I wish I could wield a crystal ball...
:)
MC = Magical Chase.  MMIII = Might and Magic 3, which I talk about two paragraphs down. 
If you got $150 for MMIII several years ago, I'd say you did quite well!
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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2011, 02:38:35 PM »
It took me 21 years to more or less complete my Turbo collection because I set ceilings on certain games that I refused to go over just for the sake of getting a game into my collection.

This sort of patience is unfathomable to the people interested in price guides, however. They're more interested in what the last copy sold for, as that must be the game's true value.

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2011, 03:07:12 PM »
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Within the last year or so, one or two complete copies of MC suddenly sold for around $2,000 on ebay for the first time.  Maybe it was a fluke, maybe it was a bidding war between just two or three rich f*ckers...we don't know, but now the high-end price is officially $2,000.
Holy jeebus...if only I would have known what the future may hold, as I sold my copy of MMIII a few years ago for $150. This is an instance where I wish I could wield a crystal ball...
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MC = Magical Chase.  MMIII = Might and Magic 3, which I talk about two paragraphs down. 
If you got $150 for MMIII several years ago, I'd say you did quite well!


Yeah my apologies...that was a major eyeball fail...>!

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2011, 03:30:47 PM »
I can't say what level of "suck" this contains, but here's a list that contains games for most consoles, including TurboGrafx

http://videogames.pricecharting.com/

Hope it helps

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2011, 03:46:35 PM »
That.... doesn't help anything at all, except to demonstrate first-hand exactly what we're trying to say about price guides.

Bomberman '93 $103? Chew Man Fu $52? World Sports Competition $60?

Give me a break.

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Re: Is there a Turbo/PCE price guide floating around out there?
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2011, 04:53:39 PM »
Something that maybe would be helpful is a Common, Uncommon, Rare, Very Rare indication like the Atari people use. Prices fluctuate too much, but there will always be 50 copies of Kieth Courage for every Night Creatures.