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blueraven

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Re: A fundamental question to all the English mother-tongulers out there :)
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2012, 12:51:37 PM »
I'm going to answer Tats' question in relation to this comment, ela.

Is Gotzendiener annoying to you tats? What does that even mean and is there a german equivalent to engrish??

From a linguistic perspective, they call the term "Code Mixing" where you substitute an English word for a word that has no Japanese equivalent (e.g. Korewa "Think Tank" desu ka) as opposed to "Code Switching" which is literally switching between two different language while talking (e.g. "Que Hora es? I'm going to be late!!")

So here's where I'm guessing you're going with this Tats...

Because of the literal German translation of words (e.g. Luftmeister for Airmaster) I can see how the transliteration form English to Deutch could be problematic, and even derail the conversation as folks might actually think that you were TALKING abut a "nach brenner" not as a brand, or game name, but as the description of an action. I envision a logic chain like this: "What is it that is burning after, and why is this sentence not complete with a dangling preposition?" Plus, if there is no German equivalent of the release, referring to the English title "Aero Blasters" were I German or Swiss and having either Deutch or Swizzler as my mother-tongue would as foreign as hearing about a game called Gewandeltes or Göetzendiener. By speaking the name of an American game I would literally be interjecting a word via code mixing into the conversation that would require immediate clarification to an outsider.
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Re: A fundamental question to all the English mother-tongulers out there :)
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2012, 12:59:34 PM »
I am not going to call anybody an r-tard.

Well, OP the flat fact is that the English empire took over the world, and after America beat the piss tar out the red coats ( because we never wanted to paid their war bills ), we then beat each over human commodity, ( while the English just shipped back the slaves to Africa and sold them to the US, and France ). That is why almost every title is English.

America then blew up little Japan, and dominated the baby-sans with their big dorks, ( those basement clubs that sprang up faster then first-aid hospitals ) and after that the Viet-Kongs and their baby-sans ( the back drop of GTA:Vice City says it all ).

To continue that American pride, apparently during the post "Lost Era" ( WWII ) from 1945-1989 America was on top of the world. We unlike Russia was a mixture of people, and Russia was viewed as a communist and thus anti-demcracy/capitalism nation.

So to answer in short, Japans modernization period was the downfall and disgrace of their way of living. At one point Japan was turning into another 1920 styled Hong Kong. Books from Japan for a long time was, written just like the western way, and style ( right to left, with words going right to left ). Again I will state this, MODERNIZATION IS THE AMERIKANIZATION, WESTERNIZATION, EUROPEANIZATION, PINK IMPERIALIZATION OF THE WORLD.

In Japan, many Japanese wanted to be noticed by westerners to get their books published. Even just to break a dollar, because artist knew westerners all the time would purchase their products. It is like me in zhong-wen town buying chopsticks.

Other effects was.

1. By the 1980's VHS provided people with an outlit
source. Most films admired was from the west. I am not
saying their was nothing from the east, I am saying that
most "cool" sounding films was from the west. So it caught on. Before the 1980's most media was from daily lives and events, and this is why Manga was even caughted on.

That should answer your question. How does it feel?
Who really cares, because to the Japanese they still think the Esapna is sexo, ahora fantasico. While we US Americans see them as poor, worm bitten, currupted,
and desperate, deranged people. Personally I disagree because they have a hold on a majority of our  arcutech, and sciences.

Japan just like USAmericans are clueless to how the Americans are. To them we are still what my parents, parents thought about America. A great place to make it. Reality check, is that many Asian group ( for which their is over hundreds ) live in USA without even seeing or interacting with westerners at all. Their is ghettos where the same acitivities that occurs in East Asian nations, occurs in USA. A Ghetto is still a ghetto also.


1: White people are cool to the Japanese, and Americans are the ultimate white people.

No they did that because the majority of people at the expo was most likely dressed in a suit and was eurpean. Also to make things clear during the reconstruction of Japan, Russian Archutechs was called in. So the Japanese was usted to seeing those people, work on stuff.

If you could find me a video of this expo ( which I am sure exsist ) that showed a Japanese man getting autographs from random people and then passing the non-white people, that would make sense.

The Japanese did not like outsiders period...............the not even human class still exsist even till this day, but off hand.



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sign autographs for no other reason than them just being gaijin.

Well after being blowned to bits, and being modernized, to the Japanese Americans were all movie stars. It is the same affect of people in the west, asking Asian people to write in their language.

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In the 80s there was a very popular trend of T shirts with English non-sequitors on them like, "Fire!" or "Smooth", or "f*ck!".

That is still around. The whole world has not moved an inch from the 1980's. We have the same reversal of that. Like when I wanted to get a roll out bed, the man told me the words written, was a sexy thing.

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Its also hilariously hard for Japanese to pronounce.

when an invention is created it is universal and belongs in all languages. Like Jeans for example.

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Speaking of importing trends, the "Japonese style" affected American art for years to come, and is still in play.

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How is Japanese popularity right now?

1. Whale eating
2. Censoring of comics raised up again after ten years.
3. Nationalist Japanese leader almost elected
4. Korean hate
5. Shinji Makima shaved head like Strider worker
6. Nigerians
7. Westerners building new houses
8. Turks
9. Priminister being bad-mouthed ( Priminister that issued the condom banned ( which actually worked ).
10. Shotty construction ( which also tied to curruption ( but so in the west ), and thank you title-wave, for proving this.
11. School girls in Britania take to the streets? Why? See 12.
12. Seperate cars for people who do not want to be around perverts.

Japan is a great place if your a Japanese person, otherwise forget it.
The last thing I want to do, is go to Japan and waste a couple thousand dollars going on tours. Why go to Japan when I could find Japan in my own backyard. I could even put sand down and comb the earth, just like in Japan.
 

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Re: A fundamental question to all the English mother-tongulers out there :)
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2012, 01:12:07 PM »
 ^ Celphy has a run for his $   :lol: :lol:
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Re: A fundamental question to all the English mother-tongulers out there :)
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2012, 01:55:05 PM »
and you guys thought I posted tl;dr horse shit!
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Re: A fundamental question to all the English mother-tongulers out there :)
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2012, 02:12:14 PM »
Wow.

Semi-off topic: I work for an Austrian engineering firm and litterally every technical term they use is confusing hell. Many many things are abbreviated to acronyms that stand for things nobody working here can actually pronounce. It's quite amusing.

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[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: A fundamental question to all the English mother-tongulers out there :)
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2012, 10:22:07 PM »
it's not unusual to me to have game names in my own language; it's been that way for as long as I can remember (Combat, Adventure, Vanguard, etc.).
It's also not uncommon for game names to not be in my native language(Ninja Gaiden, Shinobi, Herzog Zwei, etc).
Some even have nonsense names (Tetris).
It's all good to me.
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