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soop

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Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« on: May 08, 2012, 10:51:24 PM »
Right, I figure I'll do this as best I can right now, as it will probably be a month before my stuff gets here.

So I decided I needed one of those Cyber Sticks and some of the games that could use it, so I looked and looked and finally found one on Yahoo Japan auctions.  Most of you will know that you can get stuff much cheaper on YJA, but the sellers usually don't ship overseas.  I needed a proxy.

I read a rough guide made by some girl who used to import Final Fantasy stuff, and from her descriptions, I decided Shopping Mall Japan seemed like a safe, and relatively cheap bet.  Since I was buying a big heavy joystick, I figured first I'm gonna get it posted surface mail, and second, might as well tack some other crap on, since the shipping wouldn't be much more.  I found a big box Forgotten Worlds and a  copy of Out Run, and purchases were made.  I should add you have to pay a deposit of 20% of the value you think you'll spend.  You can get that back after though.

Lesson 1 - no matter how cheap things appear, they will end up costing roughly the same
I cannot emphasise this enough.  As others have said, this service is for things that are impossible to find outside of Japan.  If you're looking to get a bunch of cheap games, just go to Hit Japan or something, it will wind up cheaper.

Shopping Mall Japan (SMJ) DO tell you that they add on a commission which starts at about $5 and rises with the price of the item.  They didn't say that they would be adding a $3 handling fee for each item, but hey, now we're all the wiser to this hidden cost.  Here's a list of what I bought, the price the seller got and the amount I paid:

Forgotten Worlds ------- 2760 jpy ------- $53.15
Out Run ---------------- 720 jpy -------- $23.10
Cyber Stick ------------ 3000 jpy ------- $71.80

If you do the math, that's roughly a 50% increase in price.  Granted they started fairly cheap to begin with, but they end up being in line with eBay prices for the 2 games.

There is actually another service they offer which we should talk about that I have no experience - a "special order" is where you give them a big list of items and what you want to pay, and they will actually go out into the world and shop for you.  That sounds expensive due to the effort, but they say if you wanted for example to buy a bunch of stuff from Rakuten, and it's just a matter of them ordering it, all at once, it probably doesn't have individual fees for each item.  Of course Rakuten do offer internetional shipping at times, but they only do EMS.  This might be something to try one time.

Anyway, when all of your stuff arrives in Japan, you pay off your tab and select shipping.  Strangely, they seem to have shipped it and not charged me, so I don't know what's up with that - if it's included or if they'll charge me after.  They still have a $15 deposit.

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 12:13:07 AM »
Ow, my illusion is now shattered :p
Thanks for taking time and noting all this down, as I do have things I want from YJA. That special order-service seems interesting though.
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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 12:15:19 AM »
Exactly, I remembered this the hard way just last month. I think once I pay the final shipping price from SMJ depot to my house then I will have paid more for every single item than what a 5 second search on ebay would have netted me.

With ebay all the costs are up front so you hesitate but in SMJ all that catches your eye is the auction price and you think you've found an amazing bargain.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 12:30:20 AM »
Exactly, I remembered this the hard way just last month. I think once I pay the final shipping price from SMJ depot to my house then I will have paid more for every single item than what a 5 second search on ebay would have netted me.

With ebay all the costs are up front so you hesitate but in SMJ all that catches your eye is the auction price and you think you've found an amazing bargain.

Yep.  I didn't go over the top, and in total I don't feel like I've been ripped off - I just might not have bought what I did when I did knowing it's always just a click away.  Plus with the joystick, it's not like that's EVER going to appear for sale over here.

But anyway, hopefully a solid post like this will serve to advise people what they could end up paying.

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 12:52:45 AM »
Proxy bidding is best reserved for rare AND very expensive items. That way all the extra fees will be dwarfed by the actual price of the item and indeed what you have saved by buying it directly from the source.

Think something like an boxed LT, you can prolly get that for a much better price going the Yahoo auctions route than by getting it on ebay. You should definitely be weary of cheap or semi cheap items that are heavy and or bulky. The final shipping price is sure to be murder.

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 01:49:05 AM »
I just got a sharp twin famicom with turbo from YJA. I ended up getting a really nice unit for cheaper then ebay. I also bought games recently though and didn't save any money, it ended up about the same. It is a lot more fun finding your games on YJA though.
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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 01:55:47 AM »
My favorite word on yahoo JP...

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 02:03:24 AM »
I've grabbed some bargains from YHJ but I've used a personal friend who lives there to act on my behalf, rather than a proxy service. When I've used a proxy the final cost has worked out to be the same as any eBay vendor with the same item.

BMW, I love their definition of 'junk' too. Over there that means an item that is in great condition and fully working, just not tested so it's going cheap. :)

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 04:18:47 AM »
I'd still gladly pay double for the things I can't find anywhere else.
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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 04:21:20 AM »
I'd still gladly pay double for the things I can't find anywhere else.

Remember though, if you could find it everywhere else, it would be double the price anyway - that's the real take away here.

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 04:30:25 AM »
Great post Soop, I've had so many silly low-ball requests over the years.  I don't even respond to them anymore...
What people forget is this, a Japanese ebay seller like Hit-Japan uses ebay as their actual job.  Meaning they have streamlined the system to be as efficient as possible so they can do it quickly and maximize their profits.  This includes having a corporate contract with the Japan Post, meaning they come to you, pickup stuff daily. 

Now how could a private person with a normal job seriously compete with that?  We can't, sure I get lucky sometimes, I found a SuperGrafx for 2,000yen.  But that happens once a year if even and it's random items.  I help out friends when I can, but these are people who trust me, meaning they say what they want, I say the price, and they say "ok."  There is no bitching, we both know I am doing the best I can.

I won't name names, but I actually had someone ask me to mail an FM Towns PC from Japan to the USA for $40.  If you are that ignorant, I stay far away unless the offer is so stupidly high I can't decline.
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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 04:51:08 AM »
Great post Soop, I've had so many silly low-ball requests over the years.  I don't even respond to them anymore...
What people forget is this, a Japanese ebay seller like Hit-Japan uses ebay as their actual job.  Meaning they have streamlined the system to be as efficient as possible so they can do it quickly and maximize their profits.  This includes having a corporate contract with the Japan Post, meaning they come to you, pickup stuff daily. 

Now how could a private person with a normal job seriously compete with that?  We can't, sure I get lucky sometimes, I found a SuperGrafx for 2,000yen.  But that happens once a year if even and it's random items.  I help out friends when I can, but these are people who trust me, meaning they say what they want, I say the price, and they say "ok."  There is no bitching, we both know I am doing the best I can.

I won't name names, but I actually had someone ask me to mail an FM Towns PC from Japan to the USA for $40.  If you are that ignorant, I stay far away unless the offer is so stupidly high I can't decline.

It make it all the more amazing what Ghost Samurai did for me before he left Japan.  The guy literally went out and sourced me prices from a list of games, bought them, packed them, shipped them.  Saved me a fortune and hopefully made a bit for himself.

It's just another gesture that really makes me want to do what I can for the community.  I may never code a game, my soldering sucks, I can't make stickers and I can't translate anything, but I'll find something I can do for you guys!

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 04:53:17 AM »
I won't name names, but I actually had someone ask me to mail an FM Towns PC from Japan to the USA for $40.  If you are that ignorant, I stay far away unless the offer is so stupidly high I can't decline.

Yikes dude, I apologize. I'm still fairly new to buying stuff from Japan, I really didn't mean any offense. I was under the impression that shipping by boat was much cheaper.

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2012, 05:02:06 AM »
Yikes dude, I apologize. I'm still fairly new to buying stuff from Japan, I really didn't mean any offense. I was under the impression that shipping by boat was much cheaper.

Phht, like you're the only one who's ever asked a dumb question on the internet.  I've probably filled my quota several times over today alone!

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Re: Buying stuff from Japan via proxy
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2012, 05:07:49 AM »
I won't name names, but I actually had someone ask me to mail an FM Towns PC from Japan to the USA for $40.  If you are that ignorant, I stay far away unless the offer is so stupidly high I can't decline.

Yikes dude, I apologize. I'm still fairly new to buying stuff from Japan, I really didn't mean any offense. I was under the impression that shipping by boat was much cheaper.
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