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SignOfZeta

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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2012, 09:55:24 AM »
So if the Jag is "excellent" then there must be like...four or five other systems that are shittier than the Jag, at least, right? What are four systems shittier than the Jag?

This question is open to everyone, btw, and please no hyperbolic partisan bullshit answers like "PS3" or "Gameboy".

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

First, let me answer by saying Pippin, CD-i, Virtual Boy, Atari 5200, Game.com, N-Gage, R-Zone, and the Gizmondo. 

Yeah, see, you fell for it. Most of those machines are absolutely terrible. Therefore, if one's opinion of the definition of the word "excellent" is " slightly better than the worst shit ever made" then...I think they need more gradation in their vocabulary.

Also, as much of a pain in the ass as the Virtual Boy is to use, even though its was a very stupid idea that Nintendo never should have gone for, IMO the games themselves are at least average for something monocrhome from Nintendo. Wario, Red Alarm, Nester's Bowling, all of this stuff is very good providing you are able and willing to use one of these piece of shit machines.

The only game I've played on the 5200 was Donkey Kong and it was pretty good. Other than that, I'm pretty ignorant of things 5200.

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?
Doesn't take much education to understand people like things you don't.

Well put.

If your a gamer you'd prefer to appreciate a console for its strengths and good games and not be a hater.
 

I am a gamer. I appreciate a console for its games. I am a "hater" of many irredeemable things. Last week I had to go to the hospital. I hated it. Sorry, I just did. It was terrible. The ability to hate is a necessary component for human evolution. If we didn't hate, we'd just eat whatever food fell on the ground like a centipede does and never evolve thumbs. We'd just listen to Little Wayne and Toby Keith because that's what's on the radio. We'd just keep working at Atari making Jag games all day instead of quitting and getting a job at Sega...see what I mean?

Its fine to say, "I love Troma movies, even though they are terrible". Its another to say "Troma movies are excellent, its a shame nobody respects them."

The word "excellent" has a definition. "extremely good; outstanding". The thesaurus says, "very good, superb, outstanding, exceptional, marvelous, wonderful, magnificent; preeminent, perfect, matchless, unbeatable, peerless, supreme, prime, first-rate, first-class, superlative, splendid, fine, beautiful, exemplary; A1, ace, great, terrific, tremendous, fantastic, fabulous, splendiferous, fab, top-notch, dandy, divine, blue-ribbon, blue-chip, bang-up, skookum, class, awesome, magic, wicked, mean, cool, out of this world, hunky-dory, A-OK, brilliant, killer"

I don't see "Game System of the Year 1993 - John Birch Society" in there anywhere, and frankly FPS games from 15+ years ago are rather useless to me and most people these days. I'm sure Iron Soldier was fun back in the day, but now its just a crusty old stepping stone. Honestly, in 2012 it would be more fun to play Club Drive and Fight For Life because they are bad than to play Alien versus Predator because its good.

I understand people had a lot of hope for this machine back in the day, I just find it amazing that anyone is STILL HOLDING ON to that hope. My friend sold his Genesis collection to pay for his Jag when it was new. He knew this was a mistake after owning the system for just a few weeks. Evidently some people still haven't figured it out.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have fun with whatever they have fun with. I have all sorts of stupid hobbies that don't always shine. I have lots of terrible comic books, video games, movies, and even music. Sometimes its too terrible to be fun, sometimes its too terrible not to be fun. My problem is when people use terms like "excellent" to describe things that are the exact opposite of that and say that "its a shame nobody here likes it" when...honestly, short of group hypnosis or huge amounts of X you are never going to be in a room where the majority of the people like this machine.

Excellent: Mozart, Raging Bull, Neo Geo

Good enough: Three Dog Night, Batman Returns, Wonderswan

Terrible: Tag Team's Greatest Hits, Showgirls, Atari Jaguar.



PS: I actually own the movie Showgirls due to its horribleness bordering on the supernatural. I don't actually think its excellent.

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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2012, 10:10:31 AM »
Yikes Zeta, take a chill pill. He happens to think Jaguar is a good system despite it's bad reputation, who cares?
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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2012, 10:57:16 AM »
One man's trash is another mans treasure.  Who the f*ck cares.  If he/she likes it then they like it.  People on this forum and elsewhere have so many different opinions on "good/ecellent games and systems that I find it interesting. 

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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2012, 11:51:15 AM »

If your a gamer you'd prefer to appreciate a console for its strengths and good games and not be a hater.
 

While not getting into the "excellent" debate, or what you like that's obviously opinion.... but this way of thinking is whitewashing/apologetic.  I appreciate many systems (not all the "best"), but only/mainly concentrating on the best aspects is bordering on fanboyism.   Being butthurt that X person dislikes a game/system is just as bad as someone bashing your opinion.
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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2012, 12:39:53 PM »
We'll just have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter to me who likes of doesn't like the Jag all these years later I'm certainly not "butthurt". If anyone seems butthurt its the people who don't wanna see anyone say anything positive about the Jaguar.

I'm gonna keep enjoying the Jaguar along with all my other consoles whether it's "excellent" or "terrible" cause in the end it's about the games and while the Jag has its share of duds it certainly has some gems as well.


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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2012, 12:48:26 PM »
Although I'm not into Jag, it has some of the most die hard dedicated fans. It's one of those underdog systems like the turbo and definitely has it's merits.
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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2012, 12:57:13 PM »
I got to be honest here, I contacted the guy because I was initially considering maybe trading for it or buying it, but going back and watching videos of games on youtube of Jaguar stuff after not having owned the console in like 10 years or so, I really am not impressed with the stuff anymore and retracted my offer/interest. Alien versus Predator really looks more like a unfinished shareware project, Doom has no f*cking music and the framerate really isn't as smooth as I originally remembered it, and stuff like Missle Command 3D is just choppy and meh over all. Don't even get me started on Cybermorph. Originally there was maybe 25 or so titles I really kind of liked on the system, but now looking back at the thing, really only a few so its not worth bothering with for me. Most everything good the Jaguar has to offer is just as good or better on other systems (including Tempest 2000). I guess if you had never owned one before it might be amazing initially, but whatever. In retrospect, its clearly not a good system these days when you compare it to everything else, except maybe pre-Nes stuff, Virtua Boy or CD-I.

You can tell just by this guy getting it for the first time, with a few of whats considered the best games on the system no less, and wanting to be rid of it just as fast as he got it, like a horrible regretful buy, that the Jaguar just cant hold its own anymore on any level. At least the other underdog, the 3DO, can still hold its own with games like Star Blade, Wing Commander 3 and Super Wing Commander, the best port of Wolfenstein, Road Rash, Need for Speed, Samurai Shodown, Super SF2 Turbo, Primal Rage, Shockwave 2, Myst, Zadnost, Twisted, D, Space Hulk, Trip'd, Lucienne's Quest, Off World Intercepter, Total Eclypse, Gex, Star Control 2, etc. The Jaguar might as well be a f*cking door stopper. It cant compete with anything from its generation on any level.

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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2012, 01:30:52 PM »
Although I'm not into Jag, it has some of the most die hard dedicated fans. It's one of those underdog systems like the turbo and definitely has it's merits.

I take issue with this, although its basically true on most levels. The Turbo has this rep as an underdog system in the eyes of people who like underdog systems and in this case by "underdog system" they basically mean "systems that I like because I like shitty systems". The Jag/3DO/CDi are those systems that usually smell like cigarettes/mold and have had 150 different owners since they were manufactured. The Turbo is NOT in this camp even though many times the same sort of junk collectors owned them. The Turbo was WORLD CLASS AWESOME with 1st rate original titles from Hudson, Konami, Capcom, Namco, Irem, Falcom, etc etc as well as a controller than is actually usable. The JagDOi* stuff...is not in this league. At all. Sometimes these junk collectors also venture into Neo Geo land, but only end up owning Samurai Showdown and 3 Count Bout before eventually ditching the stuff after realizing AES ownership is basically insane.

Just trying to be clear here.

Also, I don't mean to really say that I have a problem with the Jag (other than it sucking) and its (delusional) fans. I'm not debating the worth of the Jag, primarily. I'm more concerned with the definition of "excellent" and I take issue with vocabularies only able to describe things as rating from %90-100. *Something* has to suck, and if its not the Jag then I don't know what it is.

*JagDOi: Need to come up with a formal definition for this as well as pronunciation.

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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2012, 02:44:35 PM »
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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2012, 03:33:41 PM »
"If you want a vision of the Jaguar, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever."
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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2012, 03:48:32 PM »
Jaguar - the Pinnacle of Mediocrity

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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2012, 03:55:25 PM »
I never said the system was excellent.  He asked to name 4 or 5 systems worse than it, so I did.  I think the system is very below average, it's just that there are some fun games for it, most of which are ports, but still fun nonetheless.  As I said at the beginning, I got the system on the cheap as a oddity that I never had played before, and after playing it, am attempting to trade it for other stuff I would enjoy more.  I just think that it is definitely not the worst system ever, as my CD-i is currently screaming in its nook of my room that it is WAY worse.  

However, what sets the Jaguar and the CD-i apart, in my mind, is that you can see the potential in what the Jaguar was attempting, but a lack of good software, and a horrible, bulky controller with like 15 buttons dragging it down.  Those other systems I listed, of which I own 3 and have played the rest, have no redeeming qualities.  The Virtual Boy causes headaches after playing for like 10 minutes, the 5200 is seemingly a worse system graphically and accessory-wise than the 2600, and don't even get me going on the CD-i.

Also, I have no regrets purchasing it, if only because I got great value on it, and never planned on keeping it as a centerpiece of my collection for years and years to come.  It was always intended as a trading piece, or at the least a resell.  I had originally planned to keep it a bit longer, but I realized why hold on to it for 2 years while touching it once every couple moths or so to play tempest 2000, Doom, or Wolfenstein, when I could just get rid of it now.

Long story short, there are more bads than goods in the Jaguar, but it isn't all bad.  But then again, to each their own, and I really don't know why I'm defending a below average system I just got about a month ago, and that I have zero nostalgia for.  But whatever, I got nothing else to do lol.
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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2012, 03:57:21 PM »
Or, if I wanted to sum up my rant in a quick phrase
Jaguar - the Pinnacle of Mediocrity


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Re: Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2012, 04:32:04 AM »
... while there are some awful duds on the Jaguar (Evolution Dino Dudes, Most of the sports games, Cybermorph)

I actually really enjoyed Dino Dudes, and did any of you guys give Flip Out! a chance?  I actually really dug that game.

If I had a Jag, I'd keep it around just to be able to pull it out at parties. Kasumi Ninja is always a gas.  How about some Ultra Vortek, or that Skiing and snowboarding game.... Play with it a few times a year and then put it back.