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Emerald Rocker

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New Valis game out in Japan
« on: March 19, 2006, 02:04:08 PM »
There's a new Valis in Japan, but it's kind of a slap in the face to us fans  :evil:

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Damn you, Telenet, for desecrating my memories!
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2006, 05:33:21 PM »
"Unfortunately, the name of this brand-new adventure is Valis X (pronounced Valis Cross), and it's a hentai adventure full of lesbian encounters between Yuko, Reiko, Valna, and Cham. The game also includes a scene in which Yuko, the pure-hearted girl who always defended justice with dignity, gets raped by a demonic plant."

Holy crap, that sounds awesome (half serious).
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2006, 11:13:44 PM »
An official hentai Valis? I'm buying it. :D

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 01:08:29 AM »
A sad day indeed.  :cry:

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 01:28:09 PM »
What a load of crap. Why did they even bother attaching the Valis franchise to this garbage? I just wanted another straight-forward platformer... but I would have accepted some other hybrid game if the melding of genres seemed appropriate (i.e. I would have been curious to see a Valis with more in-depth action-RPG elements, such as leveling-up, exploring / backtracking through some stages, etc. etc.).

"Valis X: Pointless" would have been a more appropriate title.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2006, 02:20:11 PM »
What's the big fuss?

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2006, 02:51:05 PM »
I don't get the big fuss either :D .
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2006, 03:20:52 PM »
The feelings I'm about to express are mine, and only mine.

Basically, the big fuss is this:

In 1986, a development staff calling themselves "Wolf Team" made a game called Valis. It was a fantasy platformer, but it was an ambitious fantasy platformer. It featured mid-level cinematics before Ninja Gaiden even existed. It featured exciting music, which was almost immediately put to CD (back before every game had a CD soundtrack). It had an appealing cast of characters, and it had an AWESOME storyline.  (Too bad the gameplay sucked ass.)  It sounds simple on the surface, but the idea of friend versus friend... one feels mild casual love for the other, one feels intense jealousy bordering on obsession... and because of their conflict, their bond becomes even stronger. Not to mention the whole "is this life real?" questions that come up.

It may sound silly nowadays, and for good reason (it was a game about girls in friggin METAL BIKINI ARMOR!!!), but the designers actually *were* trying to be deep and significant. No matter how stupid or insane it may sound, Valis had MASSIVE AMBITION. We're talking about people who were trying to express deep social themes in their games before Final Fantasy X came along.

It's hard to see that nowadays, because the era of the "fantasy girl platformer" has passed. The entire genre seems silly and shallow by modern standards. However! That doesn't change the fact that Wolf Team was trying to do something significant with the most popular genre of their day.

If you think I'm just nuts and reading way too much into the game, just check out Wolf Team's other work. The original Arcus roleplaying games (I'm not talking about Odyssey), El Viento, MID-GARTS, and even Sol-Feace... these are all flashy, stylish games that try to wax philosophical. Wolf Team had a consistent pattern of trying to be "deep" from game to game. Did it work? Maybe, maybe not. That's not what I'm trying to get at here. I'm just trying to get across that Valis was a game with ambition.

When Valis 2 came along, it passed into different hands. However, it was the MSX2 game that cemented Valis as a classic series (in the eyes of the Japanese). The storyline was just as dark as the first. The action was more detailed.

Valis 3 was another epic. Best game ever? Hardly. However, it definitely tried to push the series as a dramatic, sweeping odyssey. With the introduction of Glames' ultimate plan, the battles against Rogles and Megas felt like preludes to a grand conclusion.

Valis 4 felt pretty anti-climactic. However, it was still a darn sweet game that showed something important: *in gameplay, the series was still improving*. The series still had legs.

For years, I longed for a new Valis. I knew that Telenet still existed. With the release of Valis Complete for PC (a compilation of the PCE games), I knew that fans still cared.   Then came 2006: the 20th anniversary of Valis.

Telenet has endorsed a hentai Valis game, a game which denigrates the nobility and dignity of both the heroines and villains. The conflict between Reiko's self-centered pride and Yuko's outgoing friendship -- Reiko's belief that no one cared, versus Yuko's belief that everyone cared -- was a driving theme behind Valis.  Again, the issue isn't whether Valis expertly handled its themes. The issue is that it *had* distinct themes, and it's a disgrace for Telenet to endorse a game that completely flies in the face of what Valis was meant to be. Reiko and Yuko engaging in lesbian activities?  That's a total bastardization of the game's original theme.  Yuko using the Valis sword as a dildo?!?!

This is one of the worst instances of a company mocking its fans in video game history.  Think about it: when has a company ever spit so blatantly in the face of its fans before?

As a 20th anniversary memorial, Valis X is a disgrace. It rapes my childhood memories, it rapes Wolf Team's ambitions, and it rapes the stunning action game legacy of the developers who followed in Wolf Team's stead.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2006, 05:39:14 PM »
Wow, great post.

I don't consider myself a fan of the Valis series, but I still don't think I would be offended even if I was a hardcore fan like you, and this is certainly just my weird self. I have a strong love for other games, like Ys Book I & II, but even then if they made a hentai Ys game, I don't think would be offended, I would probably get a good laugh out of it. Yes, I'm sick.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2006, 05:50:47 PM »
By the way, Zig, I just noticed you put your location on these forums as "West of Crete"... is this suppose to be a connection to my location in Crete, Illinois :) ? Because you are indeed west of Crete, IL.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2006, 06:50:08 PM »
Yeah it's pretty weak and big slap in the face to the fans.  Imagine if Westone ressurrected Wonderboy as a gay porn game, I'd be so pissed I could eat a tree.  I totally agree with Emerald, fans wait what, over 10 years for a new Valis game and they get a garbage PORN game?  WTF is that?

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2006, 06:50:49 PM »
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What a load of crap. Why did they even bother attaching the Valis franchise to this garbage? I just wanted another straight-forward platformer... but I would have accepted some other hybrid game if the melding of genres seemed appropriate (i.e. I would have been curious to see a Valis with more in-depth action-RPG elements, such as leveling-up, exploring / backtracking through some stages, etc. etc.).

"Valis X: Pointless" would have been a more appropriate title.


Exactly.

Porn is alright in my book, but I dislike it when they depict women being raped.

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2006, 10:38:13 PM »
I pretty much agree with Emerald.  Although my reasons aren't as deep as his, Valis II was the game that got me dreaming about owning a PCE CDROM system.  It was one of the first games on CD that impressed me.  I don't know how many times I stared at the pages of Valis II in the Japanese magazines wondering what the writers were saying about the game.  It had to have been good... at least in my mind.

At the time, I always wondered about Valis I.  A lot of PCE games started with part 2 for some reason.  It wasn't until a little later that I learned that most of these games were on PC.

Anyway, I'm disappointed in the decision to make a hentai game.  I mean, they didn't even bother to make a ton of spin offs (Valis Tactics, Valis RPG, Valis Advance, Valis 360, Valis Pinball, Puzzle Valis, Valis Fighter (1 and 2), Valis:  Legend of the Valis Sword (one of those sword swinging games :)), and Valis V:  Symphony of the Night (you know you want it :D)

Shall we wait for Cosmic Porn-tasy next? :cry:

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2006, 10:46:52 PM »
Well, I guess I can sort of understand, if I look at the issue from a conservative, religious, or sheep societical point of view. But has anyone even played it yet? Everyone's basically judging the whole thing by a single in-your-face article that is clearly skewed by a conservative mindset. If I were y'all, I'd wait until more sites review the game, and then decide. You don't even know if the whole "rape" thing is even legitimate...it could simply be conservative babbling intended to make the game look "worse". It's your choice and your feelings in the end, but I personally think some are getting way too worked up over what is essentially a non-subject. That's my opinion, and my feeling.

Cosmic Porntasy? Hrm...I think I can do that one. :lol:

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2006, 02:01:36 AM »
Well, I don't have any problems with those PC porn style games.  In Japan, there's millions of them.  Quite literally a dime a dozen.  I've even played a few.  

For me, the only question is... would I like to have another hentai style game using Valis chars or another action platform game with the Valis chars?  Maybe a combination of both? :)

Seems like the only way to play the games you want/like is to make them yourself...

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Cosmic Porntasy? Hrm...I think I can do that one.

Porntastic! :)

/me goes back to coding...