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ProfessorProfessorson

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 05:56:26 AM »
This is why it's hard to take the "doom and gloom" scenario surrounding Nintendo seriously. Yes, they want to be profitable, but they're hardly in the worse shape. I'm also not sold on the idea that the games are immaterial.


Only a fool would think Nintendo is doomed. They are huge, and they have money stored away. They can absorb a mistake system here and there as long as they don't do it often.

Nintendo needs to follow Sega. Get out of the hardware business, and sell your software. How awesome would an ultimate Nintendo collection be for the Xbox/PS ? I love the Sega ultimate collection. The emulation is good, and the sound is terrific. Actually the Xbox disc sounds the way I remember the genesis sounding as a kid. The real genesis I bought last year sounds like complete ass! I must have one of the models with the jacked up sound processor.


I pity you. Model 1 original or gtfo. :P

Well at least Nintendo won't release something asinine like the 32x as a upgrade to their system. I'm actually glad they aren't on board with the FPS craze as I seriously believe we are long over due for another crash. This is a good read:
http://gamentrain.com/the-videogame-crash-of-2014/#.U3DOoigUOKB


Couldn't upgrade the system like that anyway. Outside of a USB hard drive upgrade, it's only option would be internal upgrades/revisions in speed, which is something they heavily need to consider. Even Microsoft is looking at ways to squeeze more out of their cpu, via small overclocks. Concerning the game crash, I was actually talking about this the other night with a friend. I honestly and not that pleased with where gaming is at today. There really is too much hardware on the market, and for every good title it seems like 4 bad titles pop up on any given system. This is why I have withdrawn to pc gaming over the years, and even there, there are issues.

Well at least Nintendo won't release something asinine like the 32x as a upgrade to their system. I'm actually glad they aren't on board with the FPS craze as I seriously believe we are long over due for another crash. This is a good read:
http://gamentrain.com/the-videogame-crash-of-2014/#.U3DOoigUOKB
.  I agree! Especially the COD franchise. That formula is worn slap the f**k out!


Sadly they are onboard with it, just like they were with the Gamecube and the Wii. They have been trying to get whatever FPS, along with any other game in general, they can get on the system. Given they don't run that well though, it's simply an issue that many major developers don't want to port them over, so ironically the only FPS you get, other then Sniper V2(fps and 3rd person game), is The Walking Dead, Deus Ex, 007 Legends, and the COD ones right now, which perform worse on Wii U then even the 360.....

Nintendo just needs to get out some frickin' games.  There's nothing they can do at this point to make it dominate the PS4 or Xbone, but they should be able to turn it into a profitable, minor player (like the N64 and GC).


Given the situation, and their experience with the Wii, I really don't understand why Nintendo does not invest in some North American and European development teams and make them permanent assets so they could get more variety and more exclusives out the door. They could certainly afford it, and there have been plenty of development teams needing investors as of late.

System can pump out damn nice visuals, it just needs more software...
Ubi delaying Rayman like they did and EA totally f*cking them over didn't help them at the start, and on their own faults, they let the Wii die too quickly instead of doing a better transition. The pad is fine but they did f*ck all to showcase as to why it was needed.


Yeah the system can do some really nice visuals when optimized and not forced to do/render certain scenarios. The problem has never been the gpu, it has been the cpu that makes it start to choke on games and drags the frame rates down into the teens. You can render pretty scenery all day long, but if the game does not maintain fluid gameplay and starts to choke.....

Concerning Rayman and all, I don't think Rayman would have mattered in the larger scheme of things. Rayman doesnt carry the same kind of franchise clout that Mario or Sonic, Halo or Gears of War has.

On the EA thing, EA, as much as I don't like them, I have to say they did not f*ck Nintendo over. They honestly don't owe Nintendo anything. Nintendo never did them any favors. EA made a business decision that was heavily influenced by its own developers, including DICE. Given how Mass Effect 3 had performance issues and was hard to port over to get working on the tri-core PowerPC set up the Wii U had, I can't blame them.

microtransactions are a real turn off....


QFT. I believe once you buy a game, that should be that.  Consoles have been adapting the whole  add-on, dlc, and micro-transaction thing though slowly over the past few years, and honestly, it sucks. Its really sad when you see something like Arkham City Origins have game breaking bugs that prevent you from finishing the game, and yet they keep pumping out DLC instead of completely patching the game.
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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 07:36:42 AM »

Nintendo needs to follow Sega. Get out of the hardware business, and sell your software. How awesome would an ultimate Nintendo collection be for the Xbox/PS ? I love the Sega ultimate collection. The emulation is good, and the sound is terrific. Actually the Xbox disc sounds the way I remember the genesis sounding as a kid. The real genesis I bought last year sounds like complete ass! I must have one of the models with the jacked up sound processor.

I pity you. Model 1 original or gtfo. :P



Hey mine is a model 1, but apparently there were even hardware revisions later in the life cycle of the model 1. 

ProfessorProfessorson

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2014, 08:03:43 AM »

Nintendo needs to follow Sega. Get out of the hardware business, and sell your software. How awesome would an ultimate Nintendo collection be for the Xbox/PS ? I love the Sega ultimate collection. The emulation is good, and the sound is terrific. Actually the Xbox disc sounds the way I remember the genesis sounding as a kid. The real genesis I bought last year sounds like complete ass! I must have one of the models with the jacked up sound processor.

I pity you. Model 1 original or gtfo. :P



Hey mine is a model 1, but apparently there were even hardware revisions later in the life cycle of the model 1. 

Thats what I said original. You need to get either the HD Graphics one or the one right after it that is the same tech wise, just missing the HD Graphics logo. The later Model 1 decks are meh.

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2014, 08:05:39 AM »
Quote from: ProfessorProfessorson link=topic=16858.msg347297#msg347297
QFT. I believe once you buy a game, that should be that.  Consoles have been adapting the whole  add-on, dlc, and micro-transaction thing though slowly over the past few years, and honestly, it sucks. Its really sad when you see something like Arkham City Origins have game breaking bugs that prevent you from finishing the game, and yet they keep pumping out DLC instead of completely patching the game.
And that's why the large majority of my video games are pre-2000, and almost all of my recent games are indie games/cheap Steam games with zero microtransactions. Only Civ V suckered me into buying DLC. Screw the rest.

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2014, 12:33:49 PM »
As someone who does play call of duty. (I know blasphemy!)  It is fun with friends and the ADD hyper twitch gameplay is enjoyable in small bursts.  I am concerned though... In the most recent one (Ghosts) they have been rolling out a lot of what amount to basically micro transactions.  I understand having map packs that come out throughout the year... Thats fine and I dont mind oaying for them.  But now theyve added other purchaseables like camo packs etc.  Im even fine with those since they dont affect gameplay or give any advantage to those who buy them.  Recently though they added a new gun as part of a map pack.  If you bought the "season pass" you got early access to that new gun.  Its debatable whether or not its overpowered or not but its definitely near the top of guns in that class.  So basically if you paid extra money you got access to a powerful weapon that might give you an edge over players who dont have it.  I see eventually theyll make lots of game balance changing items purchaseables and thus making it a pay to win king of game.  If this happens I think youll see some serious frustration from the series core fans.

Though now that I think of it... A lot of people I play with basically play nothing else so spending extra money wouldnt be a big deal since they basically buy one game a year.  These same people spend hundreds of dollars on headsets.  So I dunno... To me the microtransactions are a real turn off.  Fortunately the pc engine does not support DLC so Im good there!
It sounds a lot like what is going on with these freemium games on the iphone/android/tablets...

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2014, 01:05:05 PM »
Wii U was named terribly and the console will never be better than barely profitable.  I play poker with a group of guys and I occasionally talk games with the one other gamer there.  I have more than once heard the other players say "there is a new Wii?".  Casual players genuinely do not know.

Nintendo could make waves by releasing a system that is portable and plugs into the TV.  Essentially if they wait 2-3 years, tech should be good enough you can squeeze Wii U or better power in a portable.  This would shake the unprofitable console, plus games could come out at twice the frequency and game sales would be huge.

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2014, 03:09:01 PM »
I think they should unify the 3DS and Wii U platforms into one.... A portable that has a home base/hub connected to your TV for big screen play / extra features etc...  Or just give me a 3ds with a proper tv out
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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2014, 02:59:42 AM »
Wii U was named terribly and the console will never be better than barely profitable.  I play poker with a group of guys and I occasionally talk games with the one other gamer there.  I have more than once heard the other players say "there is a new Wii?".  Casual players genuinely do not know.

Nintendo could make waves by releasing a system that is portable and plugs into the TV.  Essentially if they wait 2-3 years, tech should be good enough you can squeeze Wii U or better power in a portable.  This would shake the unprofitable console, plus games could come out at twice the frequency and game sales would be huge.
I agree. I think we are already there with all these smart phones coming out with their quadcore cpus and 2+gigs of ram. I mean, if techies are saying that your smart phone is equivalent to a high end laptop a few years ago what does that tell you? At least Nintendo won't try to include a phone with their portables at least not yet.

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2014, 05:36:27 AM »
I mean, if techies are saying that your smart phone is equivalent to a high end laptop a few years ago what does that tell you?

That they're wrong unless by "a few" they mean "six or seven".  Adreno 330 and Tegra 4 are about equal to geforce 8 series in terms of raw power.
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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2014, 08:19:11 AM »
http://time.com/90801/nintendo-wii-u/

Just read that, good article, basically just repeats a lot of what I said already though.

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2014, 09:37:16 AM »
To put this I perspective: Microsoft lost BILLIONS on Xbox. Lost.

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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2014, 10:54:35 AM »
To put this I perspective: Microsoft lost BILLIONS on Xbox. Lost.
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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2014, 11:13:44 AM »
I'm pretty sure they're in the TRILLIONS by now.
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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2014, 02:04:10 PM »
Microsoft is all about shifting money. They use money made off of patents, etc and other successful products to mask losses on losing products they want to continue to support until said products and tech either finally turn a buck, or they finally decide to axe them. Because they have so much revenue coming in their fall is highly unlikely, anytime soon. Really would be smart of them to sell the Xbox division off though. Can't think of anyone who would want to, or afford to, buy it though to be honest. Microsoft is in a funny position, having a top selling game system and not figuring out how to make a profit off it.

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Re: Nintendo has posted a $500 million loss due to slow Wii U sales
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2014, 02:31:41 PM »
Microsoft is all about shifting money. They use money made off of patents, etc and other successful products to mask losses on losing products they want to continue to support until said products and tech either finally turn a buck, or they finally decide to axe them. Because they have so much revenue coming in their fall is highly unlikely, anytime soon. Really would be smart of them to sell the Xbox division off though. Can't think of anyone who would want to, or afford to, buy it though to be honest. Microsoft is in a funny position, having a top selling game system and not figuring out how to make a profit off it.
Which is even more hilarious considering Xbox Live.