Greatest Console, all time

[slinkyturd]

I honestly wouldn't put Neo Geo or TurboGrafx on the tops lists. I think an argument can be made that because either weren't well received, that they weren't able to reach their fullest potential and therefore are incomplete. Granted both are amazing as they stand. It's just that both could've been so much better.

How could the Neo Geo not have reached its fullest potential? It was in arcade rotation (with new games) from 1990-2004. It was is the longest running arcade hardware (and home console). How could that not reach its fullest potential. The Dreamcast, on the other hand, was cut short. That didn't reach its fullest potential.

Anyway, my favourite console (outside of anything Obey related) would be a toss up between Megadrive, SNES/Super Famicom and the Saturn. Although, from a logical perspective, the PS2 is probably the best console ever (great library with access to the PS1 library as well) those three are my favourites.

It has a library of 55 games! The only system that makes that look respectable is virtual boy. And with a price tag of $650 retail, no one had them. That's why you pay through the nose for them now, because they didn't sell well. I'm posing the argument that if it had been well received, the library would have been vastly larger. I'm saying all the games we could have gotten on that system and didn't, takes it down a peg.

[Necromancer]

Using your fool's logic, the Bugatti Veyron hasn't met its true potential and has been poorly received.

[slinkyturd]

One cannot make an argument that the veyron isn't the fastest car in the world. One can make the argument that the neo geo isn't even 2nd in it's own generation of consoles.

[Necromancer]

Are you retarded? 

[slinkyturd]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

[Medic_wheat]

its not "simply an arcade box that you could plug into your tv"

it doesn't used the same carts at all

how can you ever draw that conclusion?

do you even know what AES stands for?

Of Course I do...I happen to own one, but I mostly collect for my CMVS as those are much more affordable (provided you dont' get bootlegs ugh)..

Come on..it was nothing more then an arcadee in a box..

same boards

same everything ...same games!

The only thing they did was make it so arcade owners couldn't buy the then cheaper AES ports and play them on their arcades....

All they did with SOME home ports (which was no diffrent apart from the shell) was maybe MAYBE add things like the removal of blood, color swaps, ability to listen to music from the game on a select screen, and take away the need to insert a coin ...

They NEVER developed a game for the AES that wasn't first an Arcade game for the MVS

They even omited one or two games that ONLY came out for the MVS arcade cabs

They NEVER ported any other game that wasn't a direct MVS port...NEVER........


So yes it was JUST an Aracde with some pretty lipstick, that you could play with your friend on your tv........

The best part of the AES to me was that you could have the memory card and use it with some of the Arcade systems (and a jack for headphones).....

Let's face it the number of people I have met who owned a TG-16 VASTLY outweighs anyone who owned a AES (when it first came out).

Hell I didn't even have a AES until 4 years ago around the same time I bought a CMVS...

and I have only ever bothered to get 2 AES games,  where as I have like 20 something MVS games...

and even then I am the only person I have met in real life or with in my circle of friends who even knows what a Neo Geo AES/MVS or TG-16 was let alone have one......which makes for weird conversations when I try and tak about games for these systems...sure most know or remember playing Neo Geo in the Arcades but when they learn that you could play them on your TV on original hardward they flip.......


not enough to buy said hardware though...they just mooch off of my stuff...which makes for fun drunken retro nights that don't just involves a NES, SNES, and ocasonal Dreamcast or SMS/Genesis game.....

[Necromancer]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

[DragonmasterDan]

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Necromancer is dead on.

It didn't sell in large numbers because it was a premium item. The goal of the Neo-Geo AES wasn't to reach mass market penetration to have a system in every living room in the developed world. It was to sell a premium item at a premium price. It's a totally different market than Nintendo, Sega and NEC were going for.

Also, it had a lot more than 55 games.

[PunkicCyborg]

where did you get 55 games released for AES? If that's just US releases that's a lame argument because everyone who collects neo geo, even when it was new bought Japanese games as well. It's like Turbo same thing. Very few people only play US Turbo. Even when it was new many people already started buying Japanese CD games and converters to play Japanese games. You pretty much have to consider the whole library in Japan and US for both of those consoles as the majority of people who are interested in them play all region of games.

[Medic_wheat]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

I'd have to agree ..... The Neo Geo was never poorly recived it was just set a price point that most couldn't affored, parents would never think of buying for their kids, and we are still talking about a time when most people did NOT have more then one system......

it was a very (we only see the point in buying one system for you kid....PICK)

It is only now a days with gamers from the 80's and 90's IMO that actually go out and BUY multiple systems......either for themselves or their families (yeah right still just for us lol).....

12 year old me NEVER could afford a Neo Geo AES so I just scoffed at what were only ads to me, and thought "My SNES port is arcade perfect".......

I never knew of someone who had a Neo Geo AES or even the CD.....all of my experinace with Neo Geo growing up was with the Arcade....and even then it was with only a very VERY small offering of the games actually developed....

In fact I can tell you which ones...

Metal Slug (insert number) mostly 1 and 3

Art of Fighting

KOF (insert year)

that one with the disk beach ball setting

and that Capcom Neo Geo one.....


that was it....

well okay maybe a few of the shooters but I woudl be hard press to remember which one

[slinkyturd]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.

[Necromancer]

Pick an argument, chief.  It's one thing to say the NeoGeo isn't the best console ever because of its small library and cost, but it's something entirely different to say it was poorly received.  Also, there are more than 55 games for the AES.  It's still not going to rival the SNES or Genny libraries in size, but get your facts correct if you're going to use that as an argument.

P.S. - I wouldn't say the TG-16 is out of the running.  Only an idiot would ignore the PCE and its extensive library.

[Medic_wheat]

Pick an argument, chief.  It's one thing to say the NeoGeo isn't the best console ever because of its small library and cost, but it's something entirely different to say it was poorly received.  Also, there are more than 55 games for the AES.  It's still not going to rival the SNES or Genny libraries in size, but get your facts correct if you're going to use that as an argument.

P.S. - I wouldn't say the TG-16 is out of the running.  Only an idiot would ignore the PCE and its extensive library.

When you say PCE and it's extensive library do you reffer to the US release or the import offerings?

[Necromancer]

When you say PCE and it's extensive library do you reffer to the US release or the import offerings?

I mean what I typed.

I hope you're f*cking trolling me. 

[slinkyturd]

Its reception is a supporting point to the argument that it isn't the greatest system ever or even in its own generation. I believe my point on that is still valid. Consider what you are paying for when you buy an AES game today. You don't pay hundreds more for a game that is worth hundreds more in game play. You pay for rarity. Rarity isn't an argument for greatest ever. It's an argument for best niche market.