Greatest Console, all time

[DragonmasterDan]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Where are you getting this 55 games number from?

I know around 90 released in the West alone

2020 Super Baseball
3 Count Bout           
Aero Fighters 2               
Aggressors of Dark Kombat     
Alpha Mission 2
Andro Dunos                 
Art of Fighting (dog-tag)     
Art of Fighting 2               
Art of Fighting 3             
Baseball Stars Professional   
Baseball Stars 2
Blue's Journey                 
Burning Fight                   
Crossed Swords               
Cyber-lip                   
Double Dragon
Eightman
Fatal Fury
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special           
Fatal Fury 3                   
Football Frenzy
Galaxy Fight                 
Ghost Pilots
Karnov's Revenge               
King of Fighters 94           
King of Fighters 95           
King of Fighters 96           
King of Fighters 97             
King of Fighters 98             
King of Fighters 99           
King of Fighters 2000         
King of Fighters 2001         
King of Fighters 2002         
King of Fighters 2003         
King of Monsters
King of Monsters 2
Kizuna Encounter
Last Blade                   
Last Blade 2               
Last Resort
League Bowling
Magician Lord               
Mark of the Wolves             
Matrimelee                     
Metal Slug                     
Metal Slug 2                   
Metal Slug X                   
Metal Slug 3                   
Metal Slug 4                 
Metal Slug 5                   
Mutation Nation     
NAM-1975                     
Neo Turfmasters                     
Ninja Combat                   
Ninja Commando
Ninja Master's             
Puzzled
Rage of the Dragons           
Real Bout Fatal Fury         
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special   
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2       
Riding Hero                 
Robo Army
Samurai Shodown                 
Samurai Shodown 2
Samurai Shodown 3               
Samurai Shodown 4             
Samurai Shodown 5             
Samurai Shodown 5 Special     
Savage Reign                     
Sengoku                         
Sengoku 2                       
Sengoku 3                     
Soccer Brawl
Spin Master                   
Stakes Winner             
Street Hoop                   
Super Sidekicks                 
Super Sidekicks 2               
Super Sidekicks 3             
SVC Chaos                     
Ultimate 11
The Super Spy                 
Thrash Rally                   
Top Hunter                   
Top Players Golf             
View Point                   
Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer     
Windjammers                   
World Heroes                   
World Heroes 2
World Heroes 2 Jet
World Heroes Perfect         

[PunkicCyborg]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.

Wait you are arguing that there are only 55 Neo Geo games and most aren't good yet you think SNES is good? I think we all can agree you have terrible taste and are in no mental state to be starting threads like this.

[slinkyturd]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.

Wait you are arguing that there are only 55 Neo Geo games and most aren't good yet you think SNES is good? I think we all can agree you have terrible taste and are in no mental state to be starting threads like this.

You somehow quote me and misquote me in the same breathe. I never said most aren't good or even quantified that number. I said not all of them are good and didn't get any more specific than that.

[Medic_wheat]

3 Count Bout

that is the game I was thinking of

[PunkicCyborg]

You somehow quote me and misquote me in the same breathe. I never said most aren't good or even quantified that number. I said not all of them are good and didn't get any more specific than that.

Why do you keep ignoring the "55 games" number you pulled out of who knows where? Do you have a source? Have you ever even played a Neo Geo?

[slinkyturd]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Where are you getting this 55 games number from?

I know around 90 released in the West alone

2020 Super Baseball
3 Count Bout           
Aero Fighters 2               
Aggressors of Dark Kombat     
Alpha Mission 2
Andro Dunos                 
Art of Fighting (dog-tag)     
Art of Fighting 2               
Art of Fighting 3             
Baseball Stars Professional   
Baseball Stars 2
Blue's Journey                 
Burning Fight                   
Crossed Swords               
Cyber-lip                   
Double Dragon
Eightman
Fatal Fury
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special           
Fatal Fury 3                   
Football Frenzy
Galaxy Fight                 
Ghost Pilots
Karnov's Revenge               
King of Fighters 94           
King of Fighters 95           
King of Fighters 96           
King of Fighters 97             
King of Fighters 98             
King of Fighters 99           
King of Fighters 2000         
King of Fighters 2001         
King of Fighters 2002         
King of Fighters 2003         
King of Monsters
King of Monsters 2
Kizuna Encounter
Last Blade                   
Last Blade 2               
Last Resort
League Bowling
Magician Lord               
Mark of the Wolves             
Matrimelee                     
Metal Slug                     
Metal Slug 2                   
Metal Slug X                   
Metal Slug 3                   
Metal Slug 4                 
Metal Slug 5                   
Mutation Nation     
NAM-1975                     
Neo Turfmasters                     
Ninja Combat                   
Ninja Commando
Ninja Master's             
Puzzled
Rage of the Dragons           
Real Bout Fatal Fury         
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special   
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2       
Riding Hero                 
Robo Army
Samurai Shodown                 
Samurai Shodown 2
Samurai Shodown 3               
Samurai Shodown 4             
Samurai Shodown 5             
Samurai Shodown 5 Special     
Savage Reign                     
Sengoku                         
Sengoku 2                       
Sengoku 3                     
Soccer Brawl
Spin Master                   
Stakes Winner             
Street Hoop                   
Super Sidekicks                 
Super Sidekicks 2               
Super Sidekicks 3             
SVC Chaos                     
Ultimate 11
The Super Spy                 
Thrash Rally                   
Top Hunter                   
Top Players Golf             
View Point                   
Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer     
Windjammers                   
World Heroes                   
World Heroes 2
World Heroes 2 Jet
World Heroes Perfect         

I stand corrected but even with that correction it still is only in contention with TG16...and that's if we ignore PCE's library.

[slinkyturd]

I'm just wondering what the criteria is for "greatest console, all time".  All criteria are subjective.  Slinky seems to think that a great console is defined by its reception when released as well as library size and "self actualization" of the console (to borrow a term from psychology).

It is a safe bet that many PCE/TG16 enthusiasts have a different set of criteria.

Thank you! Greatest system ever does not necessarily equal "My favorite system ever." I'm trying to take every aspect of the system into account and not just my personal bias for one system over the other. I mean my least favorite of systems in the 16 bit era is the one I'd make the hardest argument for it being the greatest.

[Necromancer]

The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it.  Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.

That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.

[slinkyturd]

The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it.  Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.

That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.

We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.

[Medic_wheat]

I'm just wondering what the criteria is for "greatest console, all time".  All criteria are subjective.  Slinky seems to think that a great console is defined by its reception when released as well as library size and "self actualization" of the console (to borrow a term from psychology).

It is a safe bet that many PCE/TG16 enthusiasts have a different set of criteria.

This is true.........

well I mean about the criteria.....and justification for each person's persoanl best system.

Is it longevity?

How well it has held up over the years?

Impact on video gaming as a whole?

Library of games?

or simply the company that created it?

who knows what you or anyone feels edges out others...


but since I have yet to even say which system I think is the best of all time, space, and this dimenson...



I'd have to go with:

Atari 2600: Why? It was my first system ever, and I have many fond memories playing with my dad....I don't even know if you could call the 2600 8-bit so I give it it's own slot as the first home system worth a damb to the general consumer.

SMS for 8-bit (why because it was honeslty better hardware then the NES, but lack of 3rd party support due to the monoloply Nintendo had (which I never understood at the time or was aware of) made it suffer with games to play).  Thi is a new love I have devleoped when I gave the system a chance and played it as an adult.

For 16-bit man that is hard......SNES..sorry....Fanboyism won out...it has the most games I still enjoy playing and dang it I STILL discover other games that are worth a play.

Now here is where I always get confused with what is and isn't a 32 bit system...but if the Sega CD counts that would have to be it for me....why?  For all the bashing it got, it has one HELL of a game library of gems to play many of which are still exclusive to the Sega CD.

For the 64 bit era which I guess is N64, and the PS1, I'd say N64..........I still game on the N64, and with the PS1 it was and is largly a RPG system to me......sure there are some great non RPG games, but it is more of a nostalgia factor for me.....


and I'll pick this up later....lunch time.

[Necromancer]

We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.

That settles it.  You're retarded.

[slinkyturd]

And you're an Ass.

If a tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it?

If a Neo Geo sits unsold because no one can afford it, does anyone get to enjoy it?

[Necromancer]

Look up the definition for "well received" and you'll find it has nothing to do with sales numbers.  Go back to the Veyron analogy: it's very expensive and they've only sold a few hundred of 'em, yet it has most certainly been well received.

You are dead wrong.  Get over it.

[Medic_wheat]

I think you are simply using the wrong word to express your opinin.

Saying it was not well recived based on units sold is misleading. There have been many a movie that was well recived but bombed in the box office but later became cult clasics


And to me that is what the AES is now a days. A cult classic

Much like the TG-16 is a cult classic

[Opethian]

medic you are an idiot try to shove an AES cart in an MVS and tell me its the same board. Same game roms sure but not the same carts. You seem to miss the entire point of the Neo Geo. They are an ARCADE division that found a way to bring their games into your home using their successful cartridge format for arcade distribution. Why would they develop for the home market which was just another avenue to bring in money on vested technology? The money maker for them was the arcade at that time. I don't understand your lipstick analogy. It was SNKs console to compete in the market and they had something very unique and way ahead of its time. I guess the Playchoice-10 is just an ugly raped NES made to play in arcades? same with the Mega Tech since they don't have "lipstick"? The AES  is the home console of the MVS arcade system. Just like the Saturn / STV  and Dreamcast / Naomi.