Neo Geo vs Super CD

[slinkyturd]

Anyone played any of the Neo Geo games that got ported to as CDs for the Duo? I'm wondering how they stack up when compared.

These:
Art of Fighting
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special
World Heroes 2

[NightWolve]

I liked Fatal Fury Special once upon a time. I didn't have any problems when messing with the Arcade SCD, pretty decent port, about it, but that was only via emulation. I believe I started playing this at the arcades which were just NeoGeo boxes that operated the same hardware as the home console if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, what would you expect ? They're better on what they were originally developed on or closer to, NeoGeo.

[slinkyturd]

I was hoping for a technical analysis more so than the obvious answer.

[esteban]

I was hoping for a technical analysis more so than the obvious answer.

We have old threads where folks (like Mr. Helgeson/Professor Proffessorsonson) who have extensive experience playing Neogeo, PCE, etc. versions share their observations.

I'm sorry I don't have any links...

[lukester]

PC Engine FFS is easier. 6 buttons means no pressing buttons together, and I couldn't even beat Krauser on NeoGeo CD. Soundtracks are different too (same songs, diff arrangements).

[Necromancer]

They're inferior, but what else do you expect?  The NeoGeo is substantially more capable and the games were designed specifically for the NeoGeo's capabilities, so a port to any other 16 bit system is going to be something less.  That said, they're easily the best 16 bit ports, taking a big fat dump all over the SNES and Genny ports.

[geise]

Yeah I own all the Neo Arcade Card games plus the actual Neo MVS versions.  I would say the pc-e are the best home console ports from the 16-bit era, but yeah it's not as good as the Neo. Still worth owning if you don't have them on an actual Neo, or 12,000 other Neo compilation discs released over the last decade.

[Medic_wheat]

They're inferior, but what else do you expect?  The NeoGeo is substantially more capable and the games were designed specifically for the NeoGeo's capabilities, so a port to any other 16 bit system is going to be something less.  That said, they're easily the best 16 bit ports, taking a big fat dump all over the SNES and Genny ports.

Pretty much. 



It is RARE to find a port of an arcade game to be superior to the original.


Although there have been occasions.  Cleaner sprit work added game play added levels or added characters sometimes even corrections to bugs and flaws in the original arcade game.



I fail to think of examples.  On.  Any system not PCE exclusively.

[_joshuaTurbo]

The ACD ports of neo games take a slight step back graphically, but a leap forward in the audio department.

What do you crave more?  Pretty graphics or brilliant music?

PCE > NEO

[Black Tiger]

Quest of Jongmaster is very close. Some scenes PCE is higher res, some the Neo Geo is higher. The cinematic graphics look 1:1 even with the resolution change, like games such as Monster Lair.

PCE Fatal Furys push more animation than the Neo Geo versions, which use scaling for the second plane.


Medic wheat: Sidearms for PCE has more parallax, more shading on the title and better sound on HuCard and CD. It may have lost 2 player gameplay, but the CD version makes up for it with Beyond Christ.

Zipang < Solomon's Key

[EvilEvoIX]

There was a good thread about SNK ports on the MD/SNES/PCE and the discussion about the 32X being capable or not as well.  Very interesting read....

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?28804-SNK-32x-Ports

Here is what I thought was a good post on the ports.

@Da_Shocker : While very good in some areas all PC Engine ports of SNK games have a lot of flaws / problems :
- World Heroes 2 : lacks all the parallax & as a result not only looks bland overall but even dumb in some instances like here : http://youtu.be/C_wGoDkmnUc?t=16m55s compared to the original : http://youtu.be/dNsesiWsCNk?t=18m39s. Also the lower-res + added black bar for the HUD don't help.

- Fatal Fury 2 & Special : both very good but same as with World Heroes 2 they lack the parallax & run in lower-res with an added black bar for the HUD. & what about those 8 bit music between each rounds? :s

- Art Of Fighting on PC Engine may looks good on pix but in action it's another story mainly due to the horrendous way to fake what was initially real zoom. Also & here too the game runs in lower-res + with an added black bar for the HUD. & though the sprites look good the backgrounds are rather poor overall. The Genesis port may not have the zoom but on other hand it adds parallax + line-scrolling for the floor (Both effects exclusive to this port) & runs in high-res + without an added black bar = same as the Neo Geo original.

Yeah even running with the PC Engine + its CD add-on + the Arcade Card some PCE games aren't as good or just not better overall as their Mega Drive / Genesis counterparts (i.e. without Mega-CD or whatever else) like Fatal Fury 2 which is a better deal overall on Mega Drive since it has the parallax + homogeneous quality music rather than swapping from great to awful renditions + the 4 bosses playable (& also some new combo possibilities) & also Strider which is overall a great port on Mega Drive & a weak one on PC Engine Arcade Card CD.


As for the topic, one thing comes to mind is that most if not all Neo Geo Vs. Fighting with zoom don't have parallax but Cyber Brawl (Cosmic Carnage) on 32X has both huge zoom & parallax so i wonder if, for example, a 32X port of Samurai Shodown could have kept the zoom while adding some parallax... ?
But indeed some 32X ports of SNK games would have turned out great & they could have also use, like graffias79 started to talk about, the Mega-CD for improving even more in some respects.

[Black Tiger]

"8-bit musics"

"Art of Fighting on PC Engine runs in low res and the zoom effect is horrendous"

"FF2 is better on MD because it has the playable bosses that FFS has on PCE anyway"

These are good posts?

Most of that is from someone who passionately hates the PCE and is doing comparisons just to change his imagined public perception with the PCE getting too much respect. It's not enough for competing consoles to be also good, they must be inferior.

Here's another "good post" about Aeroblasters:

There is people who love the sound of the pc-engine and I certainly am not one of those.
The sound is horrible, the sound effects the same, the sound guided missile is very funny and makes you want to laugh.
The musics also were not good, they look like a bland and simplified version of the original.
The only cool song for me is the second stage that was redone for this version and so managed to do something good and optimized for the system that is was pretty cool.

[EvilEvoIX]

yeah a lot of skewed views out there.  IDK what to tell you but I play the Neo Geo Versions Either AES and MVS.  I would love an arcade card just to see how the PCE did in comparison. 

[Necromancer]

I would love an arcade card just to see how the PCE did in comparison. 

So you've never seen 'em yourself but felt it was your duty to say the Genny is better? 

[EvilEvoIX]

I would love an arcade card just to see how the PCE did in comparison. 

So you've never seen 'em yourself but felt it was your duty to say the Genny is better? 

First of all I simply quoted what was being said on the OTHER SIDE, you see different people have, and this is crazy and I know it, different opinions.  Second I never, not once, not even implied, that the Genny was better.  The narrative in your head said that and you've attached it to me.

My duty?  As in what add to the conversation?  Perhaps, my opinion is that play the Neo Geo variants or one of the million PS2/PS1/Saturn/Dreamcast/XBOX/ETC variants that are far superior.  They are also MUCH cheaper to get ($5 at Five Below and I got a stack of SNK games for the PS2) and basically arcade perfect minus tiny load times.

Have I played the PCE Version?  Does Emulation count?  Then yes I have via my laptop and a Hard Wired Xbox 360 controller.   It's not exact but is extremely easy to test out for yourself.  I sure would love to see it work on my Duo R and my CRT TV with scan lines as it should have been vs being emulated on my Laptop.  I have all the MD versions and they are fun enough but I really just pull out the old AES and play these games when the feeling should arise. 

My personal opinion?  Do I feel that the PCE versions are the end all be all?  No, but they are fun in their own right.  I feel the opinion I quoted was from someone who had a solid opinion and pointed out what he liked and didn't.  Nothing more, nothing less.