My N64 collection :D *big ass pics....*

[Bloufo]

Hexen got the best port on the 64, iirc.

If that what was the best port of that game I don't particularly want to sample the other ports.

Had the misfortune of playing that turd recently.
Went in blind so didn't have any previous thoughts on it.

The game looks awful. Even by N64 standards.
Controls are absolute balls. You can't hardly strafe for shit. Jumping off of ledges/whatever is a huge issue as well. You have no idea where your feet are at.

This is not a "fun" experience.

[BlueBMW]

ASS PICS

I love Banjo Kazooie btw...

[Necromancer]

Zeta - Doom 64 is an original doom game for the 64, not just a port.

Even if it were a port, Zeta's argument is f*cking stupid.

[SignOfZeta]

Doom is f*cking stupid.

[esteban]

Not to mention, the N64 is maybe the exact polar opposite of the PC Engine, and since this is a PC Engine site

All jokes aside I am interested in knowing how the N64 is the polar opposite of the mighty obey?  What is your criteria?

The PCE was based largely around and older family of chips so that it would be easy to make and develop for. It's fancy on one hand, but also classy and conservative. It has one of the most diverse and original game lineups of all time with developers of all shapes and sizes making games, many of which are not rated E for everyone. It has loads of actual RPGs, no Quest 64. It has loads of real fighting games, but not War Gods. The controller is boring but practical and reliable, not a lop-sided failure prone fork shaped thing designed for one game. The PCE was always a second or third place machine but had 800 games. There were half that many on N64 despite several being all time best sellers and the machine being in everyone's home. The games also cost nearly twice as much! One is quirky but solid diversity, one is a massive flop that could never hope to live up to the Silicon Graphics hype or the legacy of its predecessor.

Seriously, we Nintendo fans went from Final Fantasy VI and Super Street Figher to having essentially no real RPGs or 2D fighters. Overnight. That's what it mean to be a Nintendo fan in 1997. You were shit out of luck while all your Saturn and Playstation owning friends had Tengai Makyo, Fatal Fury, Street Figher Zero, and so many hundreds of RPGs its sick. Hudson made quite a few N64 games but...none come to mind as being much good except for the Mario Party series.

The PC Engine was like that a Honda Civic Type R that doesn't go very fast but is always up for some fun anywhere in any weather. The N64 was like a brand new top of the range Ferrari that sits in the garage all its life because nobody can afford the maintenance.

You 90s kids that say "you have to like it if you were a certain age"...bullshit. If everyone liked whatever was put in front of them there would be no punk rock, f*ck, there wouldnt be rock period. If you got smacked in the head by your dad everyday when you were a kid would you scour eBay for that too? Have some f*cking control over yourself. Don't be such a slave to reruns of Double Dare.

Full disclosure: I bought a US N64 day one, loved Mario 64 and I'm one of the biggest fans of Waverace you'll ever find. I'm also quite a fan of Nintendo stuff in general, lots of Mario and stuff around here, no question. Loved the Cube especially. However, the N64 is the worst console they ever made by a mile and a total waste.

This was entertaining to read.

I think N64 has a bunch of fun games, but it certainly lacks the library of games that fit my tastes.

But, I don't hate/dislike N64...I was never committed to it, I never bought it at launch (but my brother did, thank goodness).

The only system that really frustrates me is the Jaguar....I really can't justify having one (I enjoyed Tempest, but that's not enough) so I gave it way ages ago. Talk about a weak library (and I really tried to squeeze some entertainment out of the "B" and "C" titles... But I feel that most games are "D" range of I was being honest).

So, considering my reference point (Jaguar, 3DO...but I won't go further off topic...), you'll understand why I'm not an N64 hater.

Carry on....

[CAPSLOCK]

I will admit that I had a lot of fun with goldeneye and star wars shadow of the empire when they came out. That being said the only games I would pick up and play today are mario kart 64 and smash bros if there are people around having a few beer or something. Time did not treat this console well.

[BlueBMW]

I play through Banjo Kazooie every single year.  Not as big of a fan of Tooie, but there's just something about banjo 1 that I adore.

That said, these also get regular play from me

Mario 64, Waverace 64, Mariokart 64, Star Wars SotE, Mischief Makers, Extreme G, Diddy Kong Racing, WCW/NWO Revenge

[NightWolve]

...one is a massive flop that could never hope to live up to the Silicon Graphics hype or the legacy of its predecessor.

Seriously, we Nintendo fans went from Final Fantasy VI and Super Street Figher to having essentially no real RPGs or 2D fighters. Overnight. That's what it mean to be a Nintendo fan in 1997. You were shit out of luck while all your Saturn and Playstation owning friends had Tengai Makyo, Fatal Fury, Street Figher Zero, and so many hundreds of RPGs its sick. Hudson made quite a few N64 games but...none come to mind as being much good except for the Mario Party series.

Full disclosure: I bought a US N64 day one, loved Mario 64 and I'm one of the biggest fans of Waverace you'll ever find. I'm also quite a fan of Nintendo stuff in general, lots of Mario and stuff around here, no question. Loved the Cube especially. However, the N64 is the worst console they ever made by a mile and a total waste.

Yeah, glad I jumped shipped from Nintendo after SNES and went with Sony and PS1. I do remember all the hype that I was reading with Nintendo's partnering with Silicon Graphics and how great it was gonna be... In the end, I think that I was mainly angry that they were still gonna use carts when I saw from my Turbo Duo how CDs were the future (after Ys Book I&II, Dracula X, CF2, etc.), cost only 3 cents per pressed plastic, plus a couple of bucks for manual and jewel case, etc. We were supposed to see game prices go down, or so we were told given a drastically reduced manufacturing cost per unit.

It seemed like Nintendo would still be screwing us with expensive $25-to-make carts that would never even come close to the storage space of a 650 MB CD, and from what I understood, still screwing the developers/publishers who'd have to buy the carts from them (CD could be pressed at many plants, Nintendo carts mainly by Nintendo)!! I'm not totally sure about all that, but yeah, I think I read articles along those lines in the CD vs. Cart debate. Vaguely remember it like that.

Nintendo had a point with the instant loading that came with a cart, but with faster CD reading drives, it was tolerable and well worth it pro/con-wise. Seems nowadays though with these SD cards, we can move away from optical/laser disc formats and go back to solid state electrical ones as they keep getting bigger and faster in the gigabyte ranges while still being relatively cheap, etc.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

So, considering my reference point (Jaguar, 3DO...but I won't go further off topic...), you'll understand why I'm not an N64 hater.

Carry on....

The 3DO had way more quality titles then the N64 did. Comparing libraries between the two, the gap there is huge as far as how many C+ to A+ titles there was. Off the top of my head the 3DO had:

Crash n Burn
Out of This World
Alone in the Dark
D
Super SF II Turbo
Novastorm
Myst
Panzer General
Return Fire
Pyramid Intruder
Mega Race
Guardian War
Captain Quazar
Policenauts
Samurai Shodown
The Eye of Typhoon (if you're lucky enough to find it)
Primal Rage
Star Control II
Bust A Move
The Incredible Machine
Way of the Warrior
Shockwave 2
Trip'd
Yu Yu Hakusho
Iron Angel 1 & 2
Cannon Fodder
Sailor Moon S
Ultraman Powered
Lost Eden
Royal Pro Wrestling
Lucienne's Quest
AD&D Slayer
Microcosm
Spacehulk
Need for Speed
Star Fighter
Twisted
Starblade
Flashback
Zhadnost: The People's Party
Road Rash
Gex
Strahl
Wing Commander III and Super Wing Commander
Off World Interceptor
Total Eclipse
The Horde
Wolfenstein 3D
Theme Park
Syndicate


I cant even begin to recall that many good to decent games on N64. The N64 did have a few superb games though, and some pretty decent ones. Just not enough though to keep my interest.

[MrBroadway]

Of those 3DO games you listed, they either can be found on another system (Road Rash, Gex, Myst) or they're not really good/pale in comparison to N64 exclusives. The N64 is pretty low on my list of consoles (2nd to last if we exclude handhelds), but the 3DO doesn't even warrant an appearance.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Of those 3DO games you listed, they either can be found on another system (Road Rash, Gex, Myst) or they're not really good/pale in comparison to N64 exclusives. The N64 is pretty low on my list of consoles (2nd to last if we exclude handhelds), but the 3DO doesn't even warrant an appearance.

A lot of those games on 3DO that are on other systems, the other systems got inferior ports. This is pretty common knowledge, so there isn't much point in mentioning that unless you just want to make the Saturn and PS1 look bad. The 3DO had a good mature library that also tended to give gamers a pc like gaming experience. And honestly there is nothing on N64 that can evenly match something like Wing Commander III, Star Control II, Return Fire, Shockwave 2, Road Rash, Need for Speed, Primal Rage, Panzer General, or Super SF2 Turbo. And I was just naming stuff off the top of my head that I owned prior. I could grab a list of all the titles released and tack on even more to the above list.

And when we get down to it, this comparison about game libraries isn't about 3DO, PS1, Saturn, PC, and N64. Its only about comparing the 3DO's total library to the N64's, and which one I'd rather have more, and why. By all accounts the N64 game library should have blown the 3DO's away completely. But it didn't. It didn't even come close. Nintendo was too busy trying to appeal to kids still and the casual uninformed gamers or their parents that bought something because it said "Nintendo" on the box, because Nintendo always meant quality, amarite?

The N64 shined most in its cartoon'ish 3d adventure titles like Super Mario 64 and the Zelda games, which yeah, the 3DO doesn't have, but I also don't like Super Mario 64 or the 3d Zelda titles, so no f*cks are given. If those kinda games are what floats your boat, then I'd def not recommend a 3DO. When the N64 was out I was already at a point in my life where I outgrew Mario and wanted something that felt more mature then that or crap like Pokemon Snap. 

Given a majority of the N64 stuff is trash, inferior ports of games on other systems also, choppy FPS titles, or sports games, it leaves very little as far as original compelling content goes, outside of Treasure, RARE, and Nintendo's titles.

And to throw this back at you, just for the sake of argument in favor of a systems merit based on ports being on other systems, most of the good games on N64 not made by Nintendo are done way better on other systems or PC. Rouge Squadron on PC, along with Shadow of the Empire and Episode 1 Racer make the N64 versions look like clown shoes. Quake 1? Better on PC and Saturn. Quake 2? Better on PC. Resident Evil 2, same deal, its on DC, GC, and PC and are worlds better on those other formats.

MK Trilogy? Better on PC and PS1. Biofreaks and WarGods? Better on PC. Gauntlet Legends? Better on DC. MK4? Better on PC and DC. Sf Rush 2049? Better on PC, GC, Xbox, and DC. Ogre Battle? Better on PS1. Starcraft? Better on PC. Vigilante 8 2nd Offense? Better on Dreamcast. Turok 1 and 2? Better on Pc. Hexen? Better on PC. Winback? Better on PS2. Wipeout? Better on PC and PS1. I mean I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

Thankfully the 3DO didn't suffer that kinda fate. The games on it that are on PS1 and Saturn are more often then not better on 3DO.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Oh, and as Zeta pointed out prior, a lot of the good N64 exclusives made by Nintendo are on better systems now. This makes the N64 even more of a moot point.

[SignOfZeta]

I've played a lot (I worked at a video store that rented them in the mid 90s) of of those 3DO games and feel the Prof is reaching *really* hard on at least half of those.. Most of that stuff kinda relies on the player being really overwhelmed by the amazingness of mid 90s polygons (didn't work on me then, works on almost nobody now) and the ones that don't aren't amazing either. Yu Yu in particular is one of the most hilariously bad fighting games I've ever played. Slightly better than Fight for Life, but nowhere near as good as Ultimate Battle 22 and UB22 is a POS. Guardian War is barely even a game, Strahl is barely worth playing on the Laseractive (and it's way better there), SSFII' was a passable game for the time, but not worth the effort of finding (making, let's be honest) two good controllers in order to play it, especially when that game is on at least 5 other systems and those ports actually have parallax, Sailor Moon is EVEN WORSE than Yu Yu, Primal Rage is a total POS on any system.

Return Fire is f*cking GREAT though, and unless it's been released somewhere else recently the 3DO version is still the best. I would buy a 3DO for Return Fire (and expansion) before I bought a N64 for anything so...I guess the 3DO wins!?!

God the N64 sucked. Worse than 3DO? That can't be right, can it?

If so, does that mean the N64 belongs in the dusty-ass unholy trinity of Jaguar/CDi/3DO swap meet crapola?

Now it's an unholy quadrangle?

[Black Tiger]

Of those 3DO games you listed, they either can be found on another system (Road Rash, Gex, Myst) or they're not really good/pale in comparison to N64 exclusives. The N64 is pretty low on my list of consoles (2nd to last if we exclude handhelds), but the 3DO doesn't even warrant an appearance.

I prefer the controls and camera of Mario 64 DS and consider it the definitive version. The Gamecube version(s) of the 64 Zeldas were supposed to be the best at the time. Even if you don't count Virtual Console type releases, the N64's exclusives quickly get erased if you do the same for 3DO. I don't look at libraries that way though. I just judge each game for what it is.

For me SSFIIX is more important than anything on N64 and I don't even like the Turbo versions of the series. Lucienne's Quest and Policenauts also cater to my tastes more than what actually became a style than individual genre entries: "N64-style" games.

The combined bottlenecks of the hardware and main game format made N64 games feel predictable and familiar, regardless of genre, compared to the feeling variety in the 3DO, PSX and Saturn libraries.

[SamIAm]

If you have an Everdrive, I seriously encourage you to play Bangai-O on N64. The Dreamcast version may be prettier, as well as a little more forgiving in certain respects. However, the N64 controller is better for the game, and the simpler graphics and heavier slowdown during the most extreme moments give the game an appropriately old-school charm. By coincidence, I've been re-playing this one for the past couple of weeks, and enjoying myself capitally.