I'm not buying it at all, I would rather play it on a SD CRT with a RGB Modded NES, You will have Lag on a HDTV regardless
There are high end monitors with 0 lag. HDTVs with no lag are not that far off. Plus play however you want man. Nowhere in my response do I say playing on a crt is bad, or not to do it. All I said is that playing through an HDMI mod on a modern tv can look great too. You all react as if I told you to throw your CRTs out and jumped on how you want to play, when that's exactly what you've done to me.
"Fantastic" is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of people only know the hyper vivid atomically bright giant sized TV so that's what's normal to them and therefore the NES looks normal running on that to them. The excuses about not having room or being able to find a real TV are just things they make up to justify their stance. Those who still have CRTs prefer period accuracy and a cohesive vibe. I want my Genesis to match my TV. Quality is only part of it. I have a mint 19" PVM, but I also have a shitty badge engineered RF only 19" TV with a million hours on it and I'd rather use that than any of my big panels.
A newer TV doesn't need to be "hyper vivid atomically bright" if it is then it's not calibrated correctly, and yes CRTs needed to be calibrated too. There's nothing made up about not having the room. Not everyone is living in a house, have you ever seen a NYC apartment? Shit is tiny.
That's fine man, if you prefer CRTs go for it, but don't shit on people who don't, and this whole thread is a big f*ck YOU if you don't play the way I like to. Some people prefer sharper images. What's the big deal? I didn't come in here saying CRTs suck and no one should play on them. I said hey man consoles over HDMI can look good too, and for me they can look fantastic on a big set.
It's a hard bridge for either of us to cross. I imagine when the CRTs are scarce we'll all come over to the dark side of HD. The supply of CRTs is pretty f*cking gigantic though so I probably won't live to see that. In 2016 people are still building guitar pedals with tubes from Nazi era Germany I think I'll be able to get a TV somewhere for the next 3-5 decades.
Yeah how big the supply of CRTs is, really depends on your area. I live in a really densely populated area (one of the most dense in the country) and gaming is big here. Looking around for PVMs, Consumer CRTs, or BVMs nets you a small handful with people charging a super high premium for them. Plus most of these sets won't last forever, and compared to a small vacuum tube, parts are not as easy to make for them. Hell one of the concerns is the fact that people who even know how to work on them are becoming fewer and fewer. Repairing a CRT isn't like repairing a guitar pedal with a vacuum tube, one of them can kill you if you don't know what you're doing.
I would bet that most people here would disagree with you. Everything from Atari 2600 to N64 looks better on a small screen. It's like taking a small picture then blowing it up to cover a wall. It's just wrong. Would you also say that VHS should be played through HDMI?
Ohh yeah? So big screen CRTs make those games look worse too? Or is it just big screen flat panels? It's not exactly the same thing, thanks to built in chips on the mods, or upscallers like the framemeister the image is kept in its proper aspect ratio, and is just integer scalled. VHS are a little different but yes, the better connection you can make the better the final image is going to be. Upscalling a recorded image and upscalling a video game are two different beasts that require different ways of being handled. So you're kind of comparing Apples to Oranges with this.
As for future-proof a console, CRTs can't even be sold because no one wants them. I can go on craigslist right now and get 20 of them for free. Even the PVMs and BVMs often last over 100,000 hours. Even if you played 8 hours a day, that's over 30 years! Also, scanlines isn't something I'm "into". It's how the image is supposed to look. Otherwise, they would output 480i.
Again this all depends on the area you are in. I load up craigslist in my area and there's 3 tiny PVMs that are beat to shit with terrible geometry and people want 250 - 350 for them. Plus very few decent CRTs show up without higher price tags. In my area people are hip to people wanting to play retro games on CRTs and PVMs/BVMs and the supply of them is almost run out so prices have JUMPED big time. Your last line isn't true at all by the way. I don't know where you hear or made that up from but that's not the case.
At the end of the day, if you think that upscaling the shit out of an image and stretching it out make it look good, then that's what you should do. Just don't tell me that I'm wrong because I like it the way it was intended.
Two things, 1 upscalling done right doesn't stretch an image at all. It's maintained at its proper aspect ratio. Plus in cases like the HiDefNes it's not stretching or upscalling an image at all and creating the picture at the source just at a higher resolution. 2 I never said playing it the way you wanted to was wrong. I said this stuff can look good when done right on a modern tv. You're the ones jumping on me telling me what I like and how I like to play is wrong. So how about stop being a hypocrite with your shit.
