Author Topic: Lik Sang (Read 2253 times)

esteban · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2006, 03:35:46 AM »

Lik-sang had some great deals, you just had to be patient / observant. I snagged tons of PCE / TG-16 items at nice prices -- and the items were in excellent condition (unlike ebay, where everyone claims that their items are in pristine condition). For example, one of my last orders:

Brand-new, CIB TurboExpress AC adapter and a CIB car adapter. Price? $0.99 each, with very cheap shipping, to boot.

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When it comes to large corporations who do f*cked-up shit, Sony is just as bad as Microsoft and Nintendo. Not one of these corporations truly have our (consumers) interests at heart, and their histories make that clear.

FM-77 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2006, 07:21:47 AM »

Quote from: "nodtveidt"

They won't stay down long. Just like Victor Ireland came back, so will Lik-Sang in one form or another. I'm not gonna get into the whole "Screw Sony!" thing, because I hold loyalty to no one, but I do think it's rather ridiculous for them to be pulling this kind of shit. Did Lik-Sang not buy Sony's machines? It's not like they fabricated them themselves in a non-Sony factory or anything like that...I don't understand what the big deal is here.

But about the "helped oust Sega from the console market"...Sega had it coming with their retarded policies. They did it to themselves, as NEC had done years earlier.

Lik-sang sold Japanese PSP systems to Europe before it got launched there - THAT IS ILLEGAL. That's why Sony of Europe sued them. They did NOT make them bankrupt, they just sued them. Lik-sang did not show up in court, and therefore they lost the case. After that, they did this. Some suspect it is a conspiracy, and I wouldn't be surprised it if was. They had no reason to go bankrupt, they've got plenty of money.

When Lik-sang sells Japanese PSP systems to European customers, Sony of Europe gets nothing! Sony of Japan and Sony of Europe are two ENTIRELY different companies and they do not share profits in any way whatsoever.

GUTS · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2006, 08:02:03 AM »

I'm sure it cost Sony more in legal fees to sue Lik Sang than they lost to the few thousand people who imported PSPs. Hell they should have been happy, Sony Japan took the hit on the hardware instead of Sony Europe. Maybe instead of suing people for giving consumers what they want, Sony should actually try and, I don't know, give consumers what they want? I feel bad for Europe when it comes to video games, it seems like they get royally f*cked over all the time.

nodtveidt · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2006, 08:52:52 AM »

Quote from: "GUTS"

I'm sure it cost Sony more in legal fees to sue Lik Sang than they lost to the few thousand people who imported PSPs. Hell they should have been happy, Sony Japan took the hit on the hardware instead of Sony Europe. Maybe instead of suing people for giving consumers what they want, Sony should actually try and, I don't know, give consumers what they want? I feel bad for Europe when it comes to video games, it seems like they get royally f*cked over all the time.

History shows that I don't really agree with you a whole lot.

However, I have to agree with everything you just said here...I don't understand why Europe always gets the shaft. It's been going on for as long as I can remember in the video game industry, and it isn't just Sony doing it...it's most all of them! But then again...the bigwigs in the Japanese offices seem to think that the world is made up of two countries: Japan and the United States.

FM-77 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2006, 08:53:59 AM »

Quote from: "GUTS"

I'm sure it cost Sony more in legal fees to sue Lik Sang than they lost to the few thousand people who imported PSPs. Hell they should have been happy, Sony Japan took the hit on the hardware instead of Sony Europe. Maybe instead of suing people for giving consumers what they want, Sony should actually try and, I don't know, give consumers what they want? I feel bad for Europe when it comes to video games, it seems like they get royally f*cked over all the time.

What exactly do you mean by that anyway? They released the PSP outside of Japan, now didn't they? Sure, a couple of months later than in Japan, but it's always like that. Hell, why import a PSP before it gets released outside of Japan anyways? The launch titles weren't exactly impressive, and they were all in Japanese.

guyjin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 25, 2006, 02:11:23 PM »

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Lik-sang sold Japanese PSP systems to Europe before it got launched there - THAT IS ILLEGAL.

No it isn't.

Black Tiger · « **Reply #21 on:** October 25, 2006, 03:14:28 PM »

Anyone who bought a PSP in Europe before it launched would probably be buying mostly Euro games after that wouldn't they?

And isn't Sony taking a hit for each piece of hardware the sell anyway? In which case, weren't importers actually saving Sony Europe some money and then pumping them with even more for overpriced software?

FM-77 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2006, 09:05:47 PM »

Quote from: "guyjin"

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Lik-sang sold Japanese PSP systems to Europe before it got launched there - THAT IS ILLEGAL.

No it isn't.

Oh it most certainly is. Maybe not in USA but that has nothing to do with it. Exporting products (electronics) not yet published (but that is going to be) to a European country is illegal. I remember when people were trying to sell American DS consoles in Sweden before it got launched here, all the auctions immediately got pulled because the publisher of Nintendo products threatened to sue the auction site.

This is why Sony of Europe sued Lik-sang and won. Lik-sang were illegally selling PSP consoles to Europe and that is the end of it.

Quote from: "Black_Tiger"

And isn't Sony taking a hit for each piece of hardware the sell anyway? In which case, weren't importers actually saving Sony Europe some money and then pumping them with even more for overpriced software?

Software is not overpriced in Europe. It is basically exactly the same as in America. Let's say a new game in USA costs $40 and a new game in Europe costs €40.

€40 equals about $50 so that makes the European games more expensive, right? - Wrong. The European economy is generally stronger than the American one. Euro is a stronger currency than dollars, so there is no difference.

Joe Redifer · « **Reply #23 on:** October 25, 2006, 09:17:11 PM »

If what you say about importing stuff being illegal in Europe is true, then Europe is a pretty messed up place (among other reasons). This is why they are made to suffer by getting everything last. Take that! Ha!

Anyway if Sony would get off of their asses and just take care of the Euro market, there wouldn't be any need to import stuff now would there? What a dumbass company. And making things region free and then whining about people importing is just, well, hypocritical.

Black Tiger · « **Reply #24 on:** October 25, 2006, 09:52:40 PM »

Quote from: "Seldane"

Quote from: "guyjin"
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Lik-sang sold Japanese PSP systems to Europe before it got launched there - THAT IS ILLEGAL.

No it isn't.

Oh it most certainly is. Maybe not in USA but that has nothing to do with it. Exporting products (electronics) not yet published (but that is going to be) to a European country is illegal. I remember when people were trying to sell American DS consoles in Sweden before it got launched here, all the auctions immediately got pulled because the publisher of Nintendo products threatened to sue the auction site.

This is why Sony of Europe sued Lik-sang and won. Lik-sang were illegally selling PSP consoles to Europe and that is the end of it.

Quote from: "Black_Tiger"
And isn't Sony taking a hit for each piece of hardware the sell anyway? In which case, weren't importers actually saving Sony Europe some money and then pumping them with even more for overpriced software?

Software is not overpriced in Europe. It is basically exactly the same as in America. Let's say a new game in USA costs $40 and a new game in Europe costs €40.

€40 equals about $50 so that makes the European games more expensive, right? - Wrong. The European economy is generally stronger than the American one. Euro is a stronger currency than dollars, so there is no difference.

I guess what most people meant, was more that it wasn't immoral, even if it was technically illegal. Kinda like how most people don't have a problem with underaged drinking or even jaywalking.

Joe makes a good point about the lack of region lockout. I guess Sony in general wasn't too concerned about the potential impact it would have for Sony Europe.

Maybe Sony Europe should be suing Sony Japan instead?

sunteam_paul · « **Reply #25 on:** October 26, 2006, 06:52:41 AM »

Despite who was right and who was wrong in this case, Sony have royally pissed off an awful lot of gamers out there, AGAIN. Their name is already mud and if they are not careful, they're going to be heading for a historical fall.

nodtveidt · « **Reply #26 on:** October 26, 2006, 06:57:20 AM »

Now accepting bets for "Sony's Last Stand"! Who will bet that the PS3 will be Sony's last entry? And who bets that they can overcome this massive blemish and pull out a 4th console a mere two years after the PS3's launch?

FM-77 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 26, 2006, 07:07:21 AM »

PS3 will definitely be the winner of the this generation, and the PS4 will win the next.

The only people who actually complain about Sony are forum geeks and Xbox fanboys. The "general public" still sees the PS3 as the only alternative on the market. Xbox 360 and Wii does not exist to them.

nodtveidt · « **Reply #28 on:** October 26, 2006, 07:23:12 AM »

I know absolutely no one here looking forward to the PS3. In fact, most of the video game stores down here still have tons of open slots for PS3 preorders.

sunteam_paul · « **Reply #29 on:** October 26, 2006, 07:41:03 AM »

Quote from: "Seldane"

PS3 will definitely be the winner of the this generation, and the PS4 will win the next..

Yes I seem to remember the Dreamcast being the guaranteed leading console before it was released.

Quote from: "Seldane"

The only people who actually complain about Sony are forum geeks and Xbox fanboys.

...and people who bought Sony audio CDs that contained spyware, and people that bought machines with Sony batteries that could have blown up, and people who play the many Sony MMOs that they have screwed into the ground, and Joe Public who has had to buy 2 or more PlayStations because they kept breaking down...

...don't underestimate the power of the internet and bad press.