The Jaguar/3DO thread.

[T2KFreeker]

 :mrgreen:Okay, since I am making a game for the Jaguar CD system as we speak, I have decided to make a thread for the Jaguar and 3DO systems. I am seriously curious as to the feelings on those consoles here, especially since the "Underdog" aspect of this site is so apparent. I'll even start things off with a top ten list for both systems, hows that? Played any of the games all?

Jaguar/Jaguar CD
1.) Tempest 2000
2.) Battlesphere
3.) Alien VS Predator
4.) GORF
5.) Rayman
6.) Iron Soldier 2 CD
7.) Pinball Fantasies
8.) Defeneder 2000
9.) Iron Soldier
10.) Hover Strike Unconquered Lands

3DO
1.) Super Street Fighter II Turbo
2.) Wing Commander III Heart Of The Tiger
3.) Autobahn Tokio
4.) Killing Time
5.) D
6.) Doctor Hauzer
7.) Samurai Shodown
8.) GEX
9.) Starblade
10.) Psychic Detective

Runners Up Jaguar; Black Ice/White Noise Revision 19, DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D, ZERO5, Towers II, and Protector SE.
Runners Up 3DO; Road Rash, Return Fire, The Need For Speed, AD&D Slayer, Lucienne's Quest, and Burning Soldier.

[Black Tiger]

:mrgreen:Okay, since I am making a game for the Jaguar CD system as we speak, I have decided to make a thread for the Jaguar and 3DO systems. I am seriously curious as to the feelings on those consoles here, especially since the "Underdog" aspect of this site is so apparent. I'll even start things off with a top ten list for both systems, hows that? Played any of the games all?

Jaguar/Jaguar CD
1.) Tempest 2000
2.) Battlesphere
3.) Alien VS Predator
4.) GORF
5.) Rayman
6.) Iron Soldier 2 CD
7.) Pinball Fantasies
8.) Defeneder 2000
9.) Iron Soldier
10.) Hover Strike Unconquered Lands

3DO
1.) Super Street Fighter II Turbo
2.) Wing Commander III Heart Of The Tiger
3.) Autobahn Tokio
4.) Killing Time
5.) D
6.) Doctor Hauzer
7.) Samurai Shodown
8.) GEX
9.) Starblade
10.) Psychic Detective

Runners Up Jaguar; Black Ice/White Noise Revision 19, DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D, ZERO5, Towers II, and Protector SE.
Runners Up 3DO; Road Rash, Return Fire, The Need For Speed, AD&D Slayer, Lucienne's Quest, and Burning Soldier.

I had both systems for a while.

I played through Wolfenstein 3D on Jaguar once and then played DOOM over and over. I don't think I got around to buying any other games before selling the system, since most titles were still pretty pricey, even though the Saturn/PSX had been out for over a year.

The Jaguar will always be worthwhile for me because of those two games alone. I played through most of Rayman Saturn and it was pretty cool, except for some cheap spots (one game ruining boss in particular). So if the Jag version's really as good as it's supposed to be, then I like it as well.

Pretty much the same deal with the 3DO. I started buying games for it as they were being discounted for good. SFIIX is a good enough port, but feels more like a consolized version than the later ports that feel more like emulation. I didn't play too much of it, since the part II series went down hill for me after CE and at the time, I was already playing SF Alpha on Saturn.

Lucienne's Quest blew me away and will always be a great game to me. It's easily the best 3DO game and pwn3s all the competition. It was pretty much exactly what I wanted in a next gen 3D RPG. I played through Wolfenstein once, like with the Jag version. The 3DO version looked way more next genny and hi-res at the time.

I've always wanted to try 3DO DOOM, even though I know how bad the port's supoposed to be. I just love playing different versions of games to see the differences, no matter how good or bad a port really is for each console.

I remember how the Jag's composite picture seemed blurry and just felt kinda 'cheap'. But the 3DO had a very nice image and felt more like a Saturn on my TV.

[T2KFreeker]

To truely appreciate the Jaguar, you need S-Video. Are you sure that you are not getting the Wolfenstein versions confused by the way? The Jaguar version was enhanced and ported by id themselves whereas on the 3DO it is a straight up port byInterplay. I will admit that I love the music in the 3DO version more though, but gameplay and look goes all the way to the Jaguar boss!

[Keranu]

I haven't been able to play much Jaguar games, though I am definitely interested in getting the system sometime (almost bought one complete for $50 once at a convention). I am glad to see all of the homebrew support it gets, rock on. On the other hand, I love 3DO!

[Black Tiger]

To truely appreciate the Jaguar, you need S-Video. Are you sure that you are not getting the Wolfenstein versions confused by the way? The Jaguar version was enhanced and ported by id themselves whereas on the 3DO it is a straight up port byInterplay. I will admit that I love the music in the 3DO version more though, but gameplay and look goes all the way to the Jaguar boss!

All I know is, I hooked up the Jag version and it looked good. But I hooked up the 3DO version right after to compare and it was like jumping from 32X Doom to Xbox360 Doom. Its one of my few not-so-hazy Jag/3DO memories. I'll compare them again if I ever track down both systems and games.

[GUTS]

I've always hated the Jag since it was easily the worst system ever released, but the 3D0 had some pretty cool games.  I'd honestly rather play virtual boy and get motion sickness and a headache than play the Jaguar.

[Pcenginefx]

I have a special place in my heart for the Jaguar and 3DO.  Back when the Jaguar was released, I lived in a fairly small town in AK and we had one Atari store there.  The guy who owned it was kinda crazy but fun to BS to about Atari stuff.  Anyway, I asked my mom for it for Xmas that year and I got it.  I remember opening it up and actually crying when I saw it

Anyway, I think I had Cybermorph, Trevor McFur in the Crescent Galaxy and Club Drive at first.  Man, Trevor McFur...the gfx were pretty but no music?  AKKK!  I think I dubbed LoT music on top of the game while I was playing it at one point

Loved Doom on the Jag (even made my own link cable so my friend and I could play on two Jags), loved AvP (the best FPS at the time) and of course Tempest 2000 was awesome (still rock out to the music to this day).  I had a bunch of other carts such as Kasumi Ninja (oh man....voice over is so freaking funny...and the drum menu music is classic), Iron Soldier was fun times, Checkered Flag was just a bad version of Virtua Racing, and Cannon Fodder was fun.

3DO, as much as I wanted it when it first came out, was way too expensive ($700!) and didn't buy one till I could pick it up new for $100.  I had about a dozen games, Road Rash being one of the most fun I remember playing...as well as Street Fighter, Gex, and the MUST HAVE game for 3DO - Return Fire.

[T2KFreeker]

Hice to see that some people like these systems. Too bad that there is hate too, but that is the nature of things I suppose. The sad thing is knowing the games that were supposed to release for the Jaguar that didn't as it may have actually saved the system for awhile longer. Still have both systems though and have a bklast playing them both as well to this day!

[Michael Helgeson]

Yea I liked the Jaguar. Doom,Alien vs Predator,Kusami Ninja,Ultra Vortek,Defender 2000,Missile Command 3d,tempest 2000,Super Burnout,Flashback,Raiden,Wolfenstien 3d,Brutal Sports Football,Power Drive Rally,Rayman were all great. I loved Battle Morph,Hover Strike cd,and Blue Lightning,but those didnt really justify buying a Jag cd system.

I still perfer a 3DO now anyday over a PS1.

[vestcoat]

I picked up a Jag with AvP and Iron Solder on ebay last year for $50.  Since then I've been buying mostly Duo games and have only added Cybermorph to my Atari collection.
My brother borrowed a 3DO from a friend for a several months in 95-96.  The owner didn't have many good games and we mostly just played Need for Speed and Out of this World.
I pretty much like all underdog systems which is probably why I haven't been into new videogames since the market has been dominated by Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft.
I'd like to get a 3DO, Sega CD and/or Saturn someday but for now I'm content with my TG16, SMS (model 2!) and Jaguar.

[torgo]

Tempest 2000 with a Rotary Controller CAN NOT be beat.

I can't bring myself to add a 3do to my collection. I just can't do it.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Jaguar/Jaguar CD
1.) Tempest 2000
2.) Battlesphere
3.) Alien VS Predator
4.) GORF
5.) Rayman
6.) Iron Soldier 2 CD
7.) Pinball Fantasies
8.) Defeneder 2000
9.) Iron Soldier
10.) Hover Strike Unconquered Lands

3DO
1.) Super Street Fighter II Turbo
2.) Wing Commander III Heart Of The Tiger
3.) Autobahn Tokio
4.) Killing Time
5.) D
6.) Doctor Hauzer
7.) Samurai Shodown
8.) GEX
9.) Starblade
10.) Psychic Detective

Runners Up Jaguar; Black Ice/White Noise Revision 19, DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D, ZERO5, Towers II, and Protector SE.
Runners Up 3DO; Road Rash, Return Fire, The Need For Speed, AD&D Slayer, Lucienne's Quest, and Burning Soldier.

1.) Tempest 2000-Great game
2.) Battlesphere-I wish I had this game
3.) Alien VS Predator-Great game
4.) GORF-Never played it, didn't even know it was finished?
5.) Rayman-Great game, but, the music is better in the cd versions
6.) Iron Soldier 2 CD-Great game, better then the first
7.) Pinball Fantasies-Great game
8.) Defeneder 2000-Excellent game, LOVE the music!
9.) Iron Soldier-Great game
10.) Hover Strike Unconquered Lands-Decent game, better then the cartridge version

3DO
1.) Super Street Fighter II Turbo-Great game
2.) Wing Commander III Heart Of The Tiger-Not my cup o' tea
3.) Autobahn Tokio-pretty good
4.) Killing Time-bleh
5.) D-Eh, it was cool for the time, but I don't see myself playing it today
6.) Doctor Hauzer-never played it
7.) Samurai Shodown-pretty good conversion
8.) GEX-Great game
9.) Starblade-not my favorite, but not bad
10.) Psychic Detective-bleh

Black Ice/White Noise Revision 19-have yet to play, wish it was finished
DOOM-no thanks
Wolfenstein 3D-good, but, I enjoy the 3DO version better for the music
ZERO5-Pretty cool, but my fingers get tired from button mashing IIRC, great music
Towers II-never played it
Protector SE-pretty cool Defenderish game
Road Rash-Great game
Return Fire-Great game, was waiting for the sequal which never happened
The Need For Speed-Great game
AD&D Slayer-not my cup o' tea
Lucienne's Quest-probably my favorite 3DO game, & I LOVE the music in it, especially the Simpsons-esque selection screen!
Burning Soldier-pretty cool

Some others of mention are Guardian War & Ice Breaker, love em!  I'm probably the biggest Jaghead on these boards, & maybe the biggest 3DOdian as well.  I'll list my collection for all to see, along with what type of games they are:

Aqua World-Edu
Ballz-Fighting
Battlesport-Sports
BC Racers-Racing
Blade Force-Shooter
Bust-A-Move-Puzzle
Cannon Fodder-Action
Captain Quazar-Adventure
Crash n Burn-Racing
Creature Shock-Adventure
Cyberdillo-FPS
Defcon 5-FPS
Dragon Lore-RPG
Dragon Tycoon Edge-RPG
Draxon's Revenge Steller 7-Shooter
Drug Wars-Shooting
Fifa Soccer-Sports
Flashback-Adventure
Flying Nightmares-Flight Sim
Fun 'N' Games-Paint
Game Guru
Gex-Action
Gridders-Puzzle
Guardian War-RPG
Gunslinger Collection: Mad Dog McGree-Shooting
                                         Mad Dog McGree 2-Shooting
                                         Crime Patrol-Shooting
The Horde-Strategy/RPG
Ice Breaker-Puzzle/Action
Immercenary-FPS
The Incredible Machine-Puzzle
Insector War-FPS
Iron Angel of the Apocalypse-FPS
Jammit-Sports
Jurrassic Park-Action
Kingdom: The Far Reaches-Adventure
Lost Eden-RPG/Puzzle
Lucienne's Quest-RPG
Mazer-Action
The Need for Speed-Driving
Off World Interceptor-Shooter
Olympic Soccer-Sports/Soccer
Out of this World-Adventure
The Perfect General-Strategy
PGA Tour Golf 96-Sports
Phoenix 3-Action
PO'ed-FPS
Policenauts-Digital Comic
Quarantine-FPS
Return Fire-Action
Return Fire Map's o' Death-Action
Rise of the Robots-Fighting
Road Rash-Racing
Sailor Moon-Fighting
Sample This!-Demo
Samurai Showdown-Fighting
Scramble Cobra-Shooter
Shockwave Operation-Shooter
Shockwave Operation Jumpgate-Shooter
Shockwave 2-Shooter
Slam n Jam 95-Sports
Soccer Kid-Action
Space Ace-Action
Space Hulk-FPS
Star Fighter-Shooter
Star Wars Rebel Assault-Shooter
Strahl-Adventure
Syndicate-Strategy/Action
Theater Wars-?
Theme Park-Sim
Total Eclipse-Shooter
Trip'd-Puzzle
Twisted-Puzzle
Ultraman Powered-Fighting
VR Stalker-Flight sim
Wicked 18-Sports
Wing Commander III-Adventure
Wolfenstien 3D-FPS
Zhadnost:The People's Party-Puzzle

Atari Jaguar/Jaguar CD
Alien vs. Predator-FPS
Atari Karts-Racing
Attack of the Mutant Penguins-Action
Baldies-Strategy
Battlemorph-Shooter
Blue Lightning-Shooter
Braindead 13-Action
Breakout 2000-Puzzle
Brutal Sports Football-Sports
Bubsy: In Fractured Fury Tails-Action
Cannon Fodder-Action
Checkard Flag-Racing
Club Drive-Racing
Cyber Morph-Shooter
Defender 2000-Shooter
Double Dragon V-Fighting
Dragon-Fighting
Dragon's Lair-Action
Evolution Dino Dudes-Puzzle
Fever Pitch Soccer-Sports
Flashback-Adventure
Flip Out-Puzzle
Hover Strike-Shooter
Hover Strike CD-Shooter
Hyper Force-Adventure
Iron Soldier-Shooter
Iron Soldier 2 CD-Shooter
I-War-Shooter
Memory Cart
Missile Command-Shooter
Myst-Adventure
Native demo-Shooter
NBA Jam-Sports
Painter-Puzzle
Pinball Fantasies-Pinball
Pitfall-Adventure
Power Drive Rally-Racing
Primal Rage-Fighting
Protector-Shooter
Protector SE-Shooter
Raiden-Shooter
Rayman-Adventure
Ruiner Pinball-Pinball
Skyhammer-FPS
Space Ace-Action
Soccer Kid-Adventure
Super Burn Out-Racing
Supercross 3d-Racing
Syndicate-Action
Tempest 2000-Shooter
Theme Park-Sim
Trevor McFur-Shooter
Troy Aikman NFL Football-Sports
Val d' Isere Snowboarding-Sports
Vid Grid-Puzzle
White Men Can't Jump-Sports
Wolfenstein 3D-FPS
World Tour Racing-Racing
Zero 5-Shooter
Zool 2-Action
Zoop-Puzzle

Just for the heck of it, here's my Lynx collection
 
Alien vs. Predator-FPS
A.P.B.-Action/Driving
Awesome Golf-Sports
Baseball Heroes-Sports
Basketbrawl-Sports/Basketball/Fighting
Batman Returns-Action/Fighting
Battlewheels-Action
Battlezone(Battlezone Plus & Battlezone 2000)-FPS
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure-RPG?
Blockout-Puzzle
Blue Lightning-Shooter
California Games-Action/Sports
Checkered Flag-Racing
Chip's Challenge-Puzzle
Crystal Mines II-Puzzle/Action
Cyber Virus-FPS
Desert Strike-Shooter
Dinolympics-Strategy
Dirty Larry: Renegade Cop-Action
Electro Cop-Adventure
Gates of Zendocon-Shooter
Gordo 106-Action/Run & Jump
Guantlet-Action
Hard Drivin-Driving
Hockey-Sports
Hydra-Action/Shooter
Jimmy Connors Tennis-Sports/Tennis
Joust-Action
Klax-Puzzle
Kung Food-Action/Fighting
Malibu Bikini Volleyball-Sports/Volleyball
Ms. Pacman-Action/Strategy
NFL Football-Sports
Ninja Gaiden-Action/Adventure
Pacland-Action
Paperboy-Action
Pinball Jam-Pinball
Pit Fighter-Fighter
Ponx-Sports
Power Factor-Action/Adventure
Quix-Puzzle
Rampage-Action
Rampart-Strategy
Remant Planet Wars 3D-Shooter
Roadblasters-Action/Driving
Road Riot 4WD-Racing
Robo Squash-Sports/Tennis
Robotron-Action
Rygar-Action
Scrapyard Dog-Action
Shadow of the Beast-Adventure
Shanghai-Puzzle
Slime World-Adventure
Steel Talons-Flight Sim
Super Off Road-Racing
Super Skweek-Puzzle
S.T.U.N. Runner-Shooter
Switchblade II-Action/Adventure
Toki goes Apespit-Action
Tournament Cyberball-Sports/Football
Turbo Sub-Shooter
Viking Child-Adventure
Warbirds-Flight Sim
Xenophobe-Action
Xybots-Action
Zarlor Mercenary-Shooter

So, what is this game you're making that you speak of?  Please say you're helping finsh Native!

[FM-77]

I hate all these systems. I see absolutely no reason to use them. Two exclusive games is not a valid reason, not to me.

[SignOfZeta]

Just because we like underdog systems like PCE, Neo Geo, and Saturn doesn't mean we like crap. The PCE, Saturn, etc were actually *good*. That's why I like them.

I worked at a rental store back when the 3DO was new, and we carried virtually everything for the system. With my free rentals I was able to savor pretty much the entire library, and it really let me down. Samurai Showdown was pretty good, but just an inferior port of the Neo Geo original in the end. SSFIIX was good, but still not perfect.

The Jag was perhaps even a worse system in some ways. I never played any CD games, but the carts weren't that great. My favorite games on Jag are Tempest 2000, and Rayman but I have the Saturn versions of both of those games so the Jag is worthless to me. AvP, the game everyone says is so great, never did it for me because I f*cking loathe corridor games, and when my friend brought his Jag over earlier this week I found that the game wasn't even as impressive as it was back in the day. The unique thing about the Jag was how many outright f*cking horrible games it has. Wow. Defender 2000's original mode is OK (hilariously enough, not arcade percect) but the remix mode is retched. Club Drive is amazingly crap. Then you've got Fight for Life...man this system f*cking sucks. Even Yu Yu Hakushou on 3DO, which was certainly crap, is infinitely better than Fight for Life. Fight for Life is so bad that I litterally can't imagine anyone ever playing it and having fun with it except by mocking it, and there are many Jag games in that catagory.

Come to think of it, as bad as the 3DO is, its loads more fun than the Jag. 3DO had Return Fire (with Jeeps instead of the PS1's stupid Hummers), two good fighting games (now find two good controllers!), and Policenauts...yeah, the 3DO wins this one hands down, even if it was just an overpriced piece of junk designed to make Trip Hawkins rich. I see that on ataritimes.com the #1 ranked Jag title is the Virtual Light Machine. As cool as that thing is, its sad that its the favorite software. (ie: its more fun to play CDs in your Jag than it is to play games).

[guyjin]

yeah, the jag's software was pretty sad. I remember being mildly interested in it when it came out, but after reading reviews in game mags (didn't realize how biased they were at the time) I lost all interest. I remember the reviews for club drive being especially bad; they called it the worst game on the system (and on a system full of crap, that's an accomplishment.)

The only person I ever knew who owned one (still does, to my knowledge) was my older cousin - she was nuts for tempest 2000.