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[Kitsunexus]

Black_Tiger once made a great post that sorta dealt with the gimmick appeal of scailing on the SNES by showing how Bonk 3's big sprite would've looked if it was just simply enlarged with the hardware instead of taking the time to smooth out the details.

You're thinking of what I like to call "grow scaling" instead of "shrink scaling".  Grow scaling means it takes a certain graphics and grows it and it becomes blocky.  Shrink scaling starts out with a larger, detailed graphic and shrinks it... no blockiness.  Now keep in mind that the terms "grow" and "shrink" don't necessarily mean that they can only get bigger or smaller.  Space Harrier uses shrink scaling and everything comes toward you.  No blockiness.  Still cheesy?

But that'd be illogical for a platform game like Bonk, since you have to keep all the frames of that huge sprite in memory...

[Joe Redifer]

It has to be in memory anyway.

[FM-77]

Problem with "shrink" scaling is that everything looks like **** when shrinked.

[Black Tiger]

Black_Tiger once made a great post that sorta dealt with the gimmick appeal of scailing on the SNES by showing how Bonk 3's big sprite would've looked if it was just simply enlarged with the hardware instead of taking the time to smooth out the details.

You're thinking of what I like to call "grow scaling" instead of "shrink scaling".  Grow scaling means it takes a certain graphics and grows it and it becomes blocky.  Shrink scaling starts out with a larger, detailed graphic and shrinks it... no blockiness.  Now keep in mind that the terms "grow" and "shrink" don't necessarily mean that they can only get bigger or smaller.  Space Harrier uses shrink scaling and everything comes toward you.  No blockiness.  Still cheesy?

No, because that's a scaling effect done right. Most cases with SNES games, anything that rotates partially or gets larger at all uses Mode 7 on the 'sprites' as-is instead of sparing memory for a few frames of animation.

[Kitsunexus]

Let's get back on topic about how the only thing that would suffer in a SNES MechWarrior 2 port would be the audio.

[Joe Redifer]

Problem with "shrink" scaling is that everything looks like **** when shrinked.

As opposed to looking like blocky **** when grown?  You like the pixely-blocky SNES graphics, don't you?  I bet that you squirt a load in your pants when Super Mario World turns into a mess of pixels FOR NO REASON at the beginning of the stage.  The closer graphics come to the Atari 2600, the more you like them.  I should point at you, laugh and make fun of your mom for this.  I'm going to tell the cool kids about you and they'll surely beat you up.   

Anyway, all nearest-neighbor scaling pretty much sucks compared to what can be done these days.

[Kitsunexus]

Actually, I do like pixelly graphics, when they're used like they are in Tempest 2000.

[Joe Redifer]

Then why doesn't your avatar look like this SNES-ized version I did for you?


(SNES graphics rule!)

Surely that looks 100 times better than your current avatar? 

[Kitsunexus]

You're being stupid.

1. My avatar IS from the SNES, it's been scaled down and has a background from Sukusuku Infuku on the PS2.

Here's the original size:



2. Maybe you don't understand what I mean by Tempest 2000 pixels:



MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more impressive in the game.

And if you can't be arsed to run a Jaguar emulator, try this: http://typhoon.kuto.de/download.html

[Black Tiger]

Black_Tiger once made a great post that sorta dealt with the gimmick appeal of scailing on the SNES by showing how Bonk 3's big sprite would've looked if it was just simply enlarged with the hardware instead of taking the time to smooth out the details.

You're thinking of what I like to call "grow scaling" instead of "shrink scaling".  Grow scaling means it takes a certain graphics and grows it and it becomes blocky.  Shrink scaling starts out with a larger, detailed graphic and shrinks it... no blockiness.  Now keep in mind that the terms "grow" and "shrink" don't necessarily mean that they can only get bigger or smaller.  Space Harrier uses shrink scaling and everything comes toward you.  No blockiness.  Still cheesy?

But that'd be illogical for a platform game like Bonk, since you have to keep all the frames of that huge sprite in memory...

Since they didn't use shrink scaling, they instead kept all the huge, medium and tiny sprite sizes in memory.

[Joe Redifer]

My avatar IS from the SNES, it's been scaled down and has a background from Sukusuku Infuku on the PS2.

OK.  I don't know what "Sukusukususku Inf*ckyou" is, but it sounds gay.  If it were cool it would definitely have an English title.  FACT.

Maybe you don't understand what I mean by Tempest 2000 pixels:

Yeah, nobody was even mentioning anything even remotely like that when talking about pixely graphics.  I don't consider those pixely at all.  I am talking about pixely grow scaling and the nasty mosaic feature the SNES likes to do that looks like ass.

And if you can't be arsed to run a Jaguar emulator, try this: http://typhoon.kuto.de/download.html

"arsed"?  Oh my, what has the movie "Titanic" wrought with the inclusion of that word?  If that movie never existed, people all over the net would be saying "ass" instead.

[nodtveidt]

"Grow scaling" and "shrink scaling"...lol. You know, they have proper names, it's "upscaling" and "downscaling". When a function can perform both, it's called "free scaling". Upscaling produces duplicate pixels if unfiltered, and downscaling eliminates certain pixels. Downscaling can make a real mess of an image if there's no priority programmed into the scaler.

As for the SNES scaling bit, it looks like I was wrong. If Bonknuts says there's no sprite scaling/rotation (known as "rotozooming"), then there isn't, end of story. But then again, I never got into mode 7 programming, so I never really cared.

The SNES's Mosaic effect was rarely put to good use. The only game I can think of that did anything good with it is Super Turrican.

One thing's for sure...fanboyism never dies.

[Kitsunexus]

OK.  I don't know what "Sukusukususku Inf*ckyou" is, but it sounds gay.  If it were cool it would definitely have an English title.  FACT.

See this thread for details.

"arsed"?  Oh my, what has the movie "Titanic" wrought with the inclusion of that word?  If that movie never existed, people all over the net would be saying "ass" instead.

In all honesty, I didn't even realize the movie used that word!  I actually picked it up from the Rareware Scribes page...I have one letter they actually answer, if you want to find it, it's up to you to use the information you know about me to find it.

[FM-77]

Problem with "shrink" scaling is that everything looks like **** when shrinked.

As opposed to looking like blocky **** when grown?]

No no, I never said that. I just .... never mentioned it whatsoever. Both upscaling and downscaling looks like **** on **** hardware. Period. If I was in charge back then (which, incidentally, I was- I just never did what I was supposed to do) I would ban scaling altogether.

[Kitsunexus]

Problem with "shrink" scaling is that everything looks like **** when shrinked.

As opposed to looking like blocky **** when grown?]

No no, I never said that. I just .... never mentioned it whatsoever. Both upscaling and downscaling looks like **** on **** hardware. Period. If I was in charge back then (which, incidentally, I was- I just never did what I was supposed to do) I would ban scaling altogether.

Just because Nintendo has retards in their R&D department doesn't mean you should hate on scaling. SEGA and SNK have scaling down to a science.