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kenomac78

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Atari's Best Console
« on: May 02, 2007, 12:37:40 AM »
Since Nintendo and Sega have polls up. Well, what the hell!

FM-77

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 01:17:06 AM »
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Atari never made a good console!

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Not trying to offend, I'm just of the opinion that the NES (FC) was the first console actually worth wasting time on. I'd never voluntarily use anything older than that. Atari's later systems entirely lacked the types of games that I actually like, so... I don't think any Atari system is good.
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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 01:24:09 AM »
2600 was an excellent system. Never encountered any that gave me problems.

Lynx was also decent, I'd place that second. I knew of someone who had one when it was new, it was pretty cool seeing a colour handheld at the time (1989 or so).
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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 01:25:40 AM »
Man, and I thought the Nintendo poll was short on choices.

I'll pick the 2600, since I actually owned one in the distant past.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 01:47:38 AM »
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Atari never made a good console!

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I tend to agree with this statement more often then not except that if they would have made more titles that actually took advantage of the Jags ability to handle higher res high color 2d graphics and presented more titles of Doom,Wolfenstien,and AVP quality the system would have got alot farther then it had. For a system released in 1993 it was not all that weak or anything.

Mostly it was the groups of lame game makers with the few titles they could put out, coupled with the sad fact that only a couple of good companies were putting out good quality titles which killed the system off and made it look under powered. It obviously wasn't that weak of a system hardware wise,as it put out a better looking and running version of Wolfenstien and Doom then anyone else could muster,esp in the case of Doom,compared to the PSX,3DO and Saturn.

I think the Jag would have stood a better chance in the American market if they would have stuck to its obvious strong points,the ability to port over current popular pc titles.Most of the games on the system look and sound like games from PC as it is.Memory storage wouldnt have been a issue, esp with the ugly as hell Jag cd,so memory size couldn't be used as a excuse. Games like Alone in the Dark,Wing Commander,Duke Nukem,and Mega Race should have been ported over.

These games sold well in the 3DO market as they had a strong pc gamer following and people tended to buy up the home ports. War Craft would have been another solid title they should have nabbed up and released. That title was a major seller on the PS1 and Saturn and it would have sold well on jag too if it was released. The Jag could have easily done a port,even on cart.

Most of the people who seemed interested in the Jaguar back then were pc gamers,guys in their late teens on up,who had more serious expectations of the system. The release of the FPS titles along with other gore ladden games like Kasumi Ninja, Ultra Vortek and other pc ports of titles like Syndicate,Flash Back,Brutal Sports Football,and Power Drive Rally gave them alot of false hope I think.

I think it would have also helped if they would have released more arcade game ports of 2d game titles,but this would have required Atari to put forth more effort and drive to get companies to at least give them a license to do so. MK3's proto cart was supposed to be awesome,and NBA Jam was a great port,as was Raiden. I read Total Carnage was the best on the Jag,but I have as of yet not played  a cart of it.
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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 03:51:07 AM »
Michael said everything I was gonna say, Jaguar 4Ever!!!


Random trivia: Atari once had a chance to be the official distributor for the NES. They refused. The rest is history.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 04:42:53 AM »
seldane,

you must be younger than i thought! theres alot of decent 2600 games. and actually a large number of 5200 games were good, but were hampered by a shoddy controller. the 800 computer, was the  exact same hardware and those games rocked!

as for 7800, so much potential, including over 100 sprites on screen with no flicker, but had only a handful of games comepared to NES, or even SMS.
Lynx was great! it was extremly powerful and had some real orginal games, it just the nintendo mind-control machine that kept anyone from buying it.

ah the jag! again same thing as the lynx, i say. plus by getting a head start meant that  developers learning how to do 'next-gen' had cranked out duds in 93 94 and 95 but by the time the PS1 took off,and the jaguar dead, 3-d had been perfected.

anyways i made this thread as, next to the TG16, atari has a dear place in my heart, is not talked about much these days and i wanted to see what people thought.

here's some did you know's:

the 2600 only had 128 bytes of ram! everything was run out of the software. despite this massive games like pitfall 1 and 2, solaris and secret quest some how came to be.
the 2600 first launched in october 1977, and atari formally pulled the plug in january 1992, spanning 3 decades!
the atari 5200 was designed in 79 but to compete with the apple IIc was made into a home computer first, and many 5200 games were ports.
after the 5200 atari never formally developed any hardware in house, 7800, lynx and jaguar were works  developed by outside companies.

atari actually fared well in europe with its PC sales, and while the 2600 may have been seen as old news to ever kid with an NES they remained  profitable until the very end.

the NES rights (in america only) were offered to atari first, we all know this story. but also atari owned a large portion of sega after 1994 and  had talks of crosslicensing sega and atari games, of course club drive for saturn never happened, as we also never saw phantasy star collection on jaguar.

atari's fate came when they merged with a disk drive manufacturer named JTS, which was run by someone i recall being college aged, and JTS itself was out of business soon after, hasbro picked up the ashes, made jaguar developement public domain (awesome) and started the retro bandwagon, only to sell it to infrogrammes who continues to shill crap.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 04:56:00 AM »
If you asked me this when I was 8 id say the 2600. My cousins had it and when ever I visted which was often i would play it non stop. I myself had a 5200. My cousins on the other hand thought my 5200 was superior. Looking back now im all for the 5200 being the better console. Graphially it was superior although the controller was flaky once in a while, it just provided more fun and games that seemed more indepth then the 2600. Pitfall 2, Pengo, Blue Print. These are all great games so the 5200 gets my vote.

I will say that even when i was like 5, my and my cousins were pissed you couldnt put a 2600 cart in a 5200 machine. 5 people and I was upset about backward compatibility!!! I think that truly doomed the system besides the game crash.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 05:13:00 AM »
2600.  It was fun as a kid.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 06:02:42 AM »
keno is right, there are many great Atari 2600 carts out there. I recall, without even having to read the description of the game, that I could expect something good from Activision or Imagic (I think that was the name, they had the shiny labels) branded carts.

- Cosmic Ark is varied and fun, different boards from time to time. If I recall correctly there was a space shooting stage, then you would have an abduction phase where you used your UFO and it's "laser" to pull cows (I guess) aboard. These two stages alternated.

- Haunted House was silly. I actually won the game once. One of the few Atari games you can "win". Surprised myself. Had some nice sound effects.

- Fire Fighter was fun, though I recall sometimes having difficulty with the ladder.

- Most of Activision carts (Barnstorming, Oink, Fishing, Stampede, etc)


One of the more memorable games for me is Commando Raid. It is similar to Missile Command. You have to stop the planes and such from dropping parachuters who will tunnel underground towards your cannon. Once the tunnel is dug, one more parachuter who reaches his target will use the tunnel to plant a bomb to blow up your cannon. Game over!  It was a fun change of pace from Missile Command.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 06:31:05 AM »
2600 - enjoyed many, many hours on the old VCS.

As others have already posted, the Lynx and Jaguar were pretty advanced for their time.  It's too bad that Atari didn't better support third party developers.  Lynx SDKs were pricey and the Jag's sucked.  It's no surprise that many of the Jag games weren't very impressive - without a decent SDK, some developers just relied on the 68000 for everything rather than try to tap Tom and Jerry.
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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 07:19:48 AM »
Well, the 2600 was my first console, but I can't say I enjoyed it much (except maybe River Raid II, which I believe it was called). I wasn't at all interested in video games until I got my first NES. That's what hooked me, and never let go.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2007, 09:39:19 AM »
Voted for the Jaguar. I used to play alot of Raiden and AVP.

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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 02:30:05 PM »
I voted Atari 2600 because of it's huge library of classics and because I haven't played a whole lot of other Atari consoles. I think the Atari 2600 possibly has the best competitive two player games than any other console too.
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Re: Atari's Best Console
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 02:44:27 PM »
I voted Lynx. It completely kicked the shit out of all competition hardware-wise, and some of the softs where actually good too. I like Rampart the most.

The computers were pretty good, but I'm not really enough of an authority on them judge.

The 2600, which I'm sure will win this contest, f*cking sucked IMO. Like most people my age it was the only console I had access to back in the day, but that doesn't make it good. As soon as something decent came around, like the Colecovision, the 2600 was worthless.

I've tried to like 2600 games, but I just can't. I still like Warlords and Combat quite a bit, but that's at least %50 due the multi-player aspect. I can really get into NES era stuff, and anything later than that if its good, and I really love quite a few arcade games from the early 80s/late 70s, but the 2600...just blows. Better than an Odyssey, I guess.

Its not because its too old, its just that the software sucks. That and the joysticks require herculean effort in order just to register "left".

Really I didn't need to type that. I could have just said, "Pac Man", and that would have been enogh of a reason to hate the machine forever.